Indecent Humility and the Muslim Mind
Submitted by proudchristian on Tue, 09/15/2009 - 18:46
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Humility is like underwear, essential, but indecent if it shows - Helen Nielsen
Has anyone here ever come across a comment by a Muslim urging unbelievers to become Muslims or otherwise they are going to face the wrath of Allah on the Judgment Day?
And have you ever imagined what entails the wrath of Allah?
Take for instance the comment of londonspirit, a Muslim member of FFI, when responding to some critics of Islam in one of the posts here, and I quote him verbatim:
“But any way even if i did assume ali sina is right and muhammed is wrong. Than let me analyze. By following muhammed i am promised pradise but by following ali sinas way when i die i will just turn in to dust and nothing will happen. By not following muhammed i am promised hell fire. So therefore i have nothing to loose by following islam but assuming ali sina is wrong i am promised hell fire so i have all to loose. Let me see what my brain tells me to follow?” [Emphasis mine]
And with all honesty I must first begin by stating that, in my opinion, londonspirit is one of those nice Muslims out there. He has by every means depicted all the characters of moderate Islam. And by deducing from the direct clarity of what he posts here, unlike many Muslim trolls here, londonspirit is a learned man. But this has always remained to be a philosophical question to many of us. Why can someone really educated, even up to the level of PhD, yet profess to be a Muslim? Well, while it is true, the sort of Islam they profess is far from what Allah, Muhammad or any of the seventh century Muslims would approve to be the authentic Islam as depicted in the Quran and authentic Hadiths. Yet you cannot easily ignore that in every way they love and revere Muhammad. They cannot emulate him to the letter, because many of these knowledgeable Muslims are living in progressive nations. And thus they cannot take 9 years old kids to be wives or otherwise they will be called child molesters and will be placed behind bars. They cannot marry more than one wife because polygamy is outlawed in non Muslim nations. The least they can do to show their reverence is to grow long beards and follow what Mohammad prescribed in the Quran and Hadiths, as long as it does not conflict with the norms and laws of the progressive nations in which they live. Or occasionally they can raise considerable sums of money to send back to Dar-Il Islam (the House of Islam), which can be used accordingly by true Muslims, the Taliban and Al Qaeda or any other organization that shares the ideals of true Islam. So what is really going on in the minds of the likes of londonspirit and other moderate but knowledgeable Muslims? Why could someone knowledgeable, unwittingly call an evil thing good? Despite all the evidence indicating Muhammad to be a morally reprehensible person, why would anyone persist in revering Muhammad? Is he being dishonest? While many of you will respond unequivocally to the latter as to be the case, and rightly so, one cannot ignore the aspects of humility in the lives of many Muslims. It really takes huge humility to submit your intelligence to a man like Muhammad. It also takes an equal amount of humility to dedicate your time to read such a difficult book to comprehend, the Quran, as a matter of creed. The highest point of humility is really shown when adult Muslims pack themselves with explosives and blow themselves up just for the sake of Allah and Muhammad. They are human beings just like any other non-Muslim and the right questions to ask at this point is; how could Muslims actually get to this point of humility unprecedented in any of the non-Muslim cultures? While this may seem to be a complex question to answer, as probably some of you are aware, it may be important to appeal to one of the little known Muslim doctrines and traditions of Adaab al-Qabr translated in English, Grave Punishments. Travel to any of the majority Muslim communities and you will not miss this apparently important doctrine that could help to understand how humility is instilled in young Muslim minds, how apparently intelligent people could submit their intelligence to a bandit or how a first class Medical Doctor can pack himself with explosives to blow up subways. The doctrine tells step by step after death experiences of Muslims and non Muslims when the corpse is being buried. First, just before the corpse is interred, the soul is forced to return to the corpse moaning with fear “I am about to be lonely; I am about to be dust; I am about to be food for worms, I am now a stranger, where are they taking me?” After the corpse has been laid to rest, it is now a time to be judged (keep in mind, not the Final Judgment of the Hell Fire) by the two angels, one on the head position and the other on the legs start interviewing the soul within the corpse. Key questions are “Who is your lord, what is your religion, who is your prophet?” If Allah, Islam and Muhammad are the answers to the interview, you have passed and paradise is yours and if not, oh my God, you will know who Allah is. Some of you will say “Ah, that is an easy interview to pass, but you’ll only be fools. Don’t you know Allah is the best knower and the best deceiver? “Allah will keep firm those who believe, with the word that stands firm in this world (i.e. they will keep on worshiping Allah alone and none else), and in the Hereafter. And Allah will cause to go astray those who are Zâlimûn (polytheists and wrong-doers, etc.), and Allah does what He wills” (Koran 14:27). Non Muslims have no chance whatsoever of passing the interview and by Allah’s power they’ll forget everything and begin stuttering and from that moment the grave punishments begin. First the angels using a huge stone continuously pound the body to such an extent that the body is shredded into minute pieces but by Allah’s power the body is reconstructed again and the process is repeated over and over again, apparently up till the Day of the Judgment. As if that punishment is not enough, Allah narrows to infinity the tomb space to such an extent that the body and the soul entrapped in it is squeezed by pressure until all the bones crack. All this time the soul and body remains at a deep darkness never ever experienced in this world, only to be exposed to a quanta of light, for a fraction of a second, and while you are at it, that there is something hopeful to take place, a huge snake comes to eat your flesh from head to toe while unleashing its stinking venom into your body. And these punishments repeat as a vicious cycle until the Day of Judgment. I know, I know, many of you here are so filled with shock and cannot understand as to how someone intelligent could sit in the mosque and listen to a preacher giving such emotionally terrorizing sermons. But that is what I exactly intended to instill in your mind that although these terror sermons are unbelievable to many people raised in non Muslim cultures, but at any rate they are part of the tools that are being used by Islamic clerics in Muslim cultures to instill terror and humility in the young Muslim minds to always be afraid and stay submissive to the will of Allah and what he is capable of doing to him/her when he/she is dead. It’s one of the reasons it is easy to de-convert a Christian, a Jew, a Hindu but not a Muslim. Now add this to the eternal excruciating punishment of the Hell Fire where the only food for unbelievers in Hell will be pus. Also add to the eternal orgy promised by Allah to Muslim males (Muslimahs are out of luck). The key is to pack this into the young Muslims brain, and too often the kids must learn these while their butts are being scourged by their Ulemas in their madrassahs and by their parents at home. And therefore it should not surprise anyone here to find a Doctor or an Engineer professing to be a Muslim. It’s called indecent humility earned the hard way.
WOW! Poor Londonspirit and
WOW! Poor Londonspirit and Kabirlaw. No wonder they come up with all those twisted logic of theirs. The linguistic gymnastics, the in context out of context issue, the arabic is not correctly translated issue. They have to believe in that lie that is islam, otherwise it is eternal damnation for their souls.
It is a pitty that they don't know this simple equation: Dust + God's breath(spirit)=LIVING SOUL
And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.[Gen. 2:7]
The soul who sins shall die. [Ezekiel 18:20]
Judgement day will come (and then man must worry ), it is not here yet!
Nice Work Bro.... By the
Nice Work Bro....
By the way
Good news for all the Muslims
Attack on Christian community in Jethi Ke(Sialkot)
In Jethi-Ke, the hatred campaign was launched by a group of local fanatic Muslims on the same Petron which was adopted in Gujranwala on august 15, 2009 but failed then.
In Gujranwala episode, reported by ROYAL NEWS Chanel the same day, The same case was fabricated against a young Christian child (under18) that he stopped a Muslim girl child on the way when she was returning home from an informal madrissah keeping her SEPARA (a part of Quran) in hands, the accused Christian boy, according to the "story" snatched the SEPARA/Quran and pushed it against the wall. The girl child was shown on the news Chanel telling this story. The reporter added his comment in the report that he felt this incident was a part of the conspiracy to push both religious communities towards religious riots. Police registered a case against Christian child Sufyaan. Fortunately local Muslim
Community responded in a reasonable manner and the fanatic mullahs couldn’t exploit the situation.
This time in Jethi Ke, a 10 years Muslim girl child named Hina was brought forward as a complainant; story told by the girl child was the same as of Gujranwala. The Christian boy named Fanish Robert was blamed for harassing the Muslim girl child and throwing her Quran on ground or in the ditch running alongside. But this time no News Chanel was allowed there to discourage fanatic mullahs and to halt the people that it might be a conspiracy against the both communities. Role of local police is yet to be investigated as till Saturday evening, there was no permission for journalists and others to go inside the village and probe what happened there during last two days.
According to the eye witnesses from the village besieged by the police and fanatic Muslims, police didn't interfere when the fanatic Muslims were beating Christians after they had burnt the "KALWARI CHURCH". The church was set ablaze right after the Jumma prayer in local mosque.
Some Eye-witnesses from Sialkot told, “When some Christian people from Sialkot tried to approach the besieged village, police didn’t allow them to get in. Meanwhile the group of fanatic Muslims attacked on the visitors with batons, an elderly pastor from Sialkot named Dilshad sustained serious injuries. The police didn’t try to stop fanatic Muslims from torturing the visitors. Ultimately the Christian group had to flee from the spot to save their lives.
This group returned to Sialkot and joined the other Christians on the street to agitate the incident of Jethi Ke, Kamran Michel, Punjab Minister for Minorities came there to convince the Christian mob to peacefully disperse, some young guys from the mob demanded of his resignation as, in their opinion, Punjab Government had failed to protect Christian Community. The Sialkot Police deployed for security of the Provincial Minister first baton charged to disperse the mob then opened fire on the un-armed people, causing bullet injury to a young guy named Yousef who is now hospitalized in local hospital.
According to information arrived Saturday evening, an FIR has been lodged against Molana AmanUllah and his collogues with Police Station Sambarial. No detail of the charges framed in the FIR is available yet but it does not make sense as legal proceedings will be manipulated by the fanatic Muslims and their patrons in Police and in the system of dispensation of justice.
According to an Eye-witness the family of the girl child who earlier blamed the Christian boy for harassment, on Saturday told some media-men that they had contacted Molana Aman Ullah to just inform him of the “Event of Blasphemy”. They had no idea about how their complaint could be exploited by the Molana.
This event gives room to the speculations that more Gojra like Attacks on Christian Community are likely unless the State and The Government does not roll back their policies. Repeal of some articles from the constitution could help preventing such situation but now this would not work until a Holistic Action against fanatic approach is not taken by the government and the institutions of the State.
great article sir !
great article sir !
I do not find this exposition
I do not find this exposition exculpatory of muslim beliefs nor indicative of any humility in their submissions. The absurd logic of Londonspirit is not the mark of education but of corruption. The logic of Londonspirit fails because within that orbit of thinking he fails to consider not only if Ali Sina is wrong but that his judgment might be delivered by a real God, not this muhammadean mishmash of evil rubbish.
Obedience to God for the promise of reward (and ugly, vulger, crude rewards they are in islam) is puerile, decadent, transparently insincere and positive proof of its falsity. islamic corruption is self-evident from its own mouth when rewards in heaven are those that are otherwise morally forbidden on earth. What a sickeness of mind this devil cult of islam is.
Coercion is only ever required in the pursuit of evil. For islam to take root the human mind must first be cultivated by fear, chained by dependence, lobotomised of any ability for clarity and thus subjugated by the fairy tales of mis-associated ideas. muslims are children, without any super-ego, without any mind for anything or anyone but themselves.
But mental sickeness does not excuse their behaviour or will suspend their punishment. They are wilfully blind, wilfully corrupt and wilfully evil. They will be destroyed - without the mercy they count on in kafirs which they normally exploit as a point of our weakness. muslims not only exploit our political freedoms but also out morality as well. This game is going to draw to a momentous close, for muslims and their appeasers.
Just a minor comment The
Just a minor comment
The word Adaab
عذاب Means torture.
Just to endorse your article, that concept of grave torture is a very strong force that terrorize muslims into submit to the irrational no matter how irrational it might be.
Maybe I should proof read my
Maybe I should proof read my comments before I push submit. I meant to say:
"to submit to the irrational ...."
Hi" ProudChristian" I
Hi" ProudChristian"
I wonder how can you be a Christian as well as proud of vile Christianity? Christianity a vile belief system same as Islam . A killing Cult same as Islam???? I don't have to argue with you or your kind , the world history of the last few centuries can prove that Islam and Christianity have killed millions of innocent people for political gains only. Before you talk about the evils of Islam you should look in to your own belief system Vile Christianity. No Christian rabid Dog has any right to talk against other vile cults such as Islam.
Don't you bark as you are as vile as the Islamic rabid dogs.
proudchristian, EXCELLENT
proudchristian,
EXCELLENT article, mate! Loved it!
Oh, wow! How could I have forgotten about the judgment in the grave!?!? I remember my former mother-in-law telling me about the two angels and the snake. She misinterpreted a few of the facts regarding the torture, but perhaps it was due to the fact that her English was not the best. Her version or proudchristians (the correct one, I'm sure), it was enough to terrify anyone!
I am not stating that all Muslims are victims, but I hope we as khaphirs have a better understanding as to why Muslims behave in such a barbaric matter (many). No wonder KL and LS defend it!
KL and LS....come on guys....God is NOT cruel! These actions described by proudchristian are indeed ungodly and to me, unacceptable! If you leave Islam, you will not be subjected to that torture! I know from personal experience how hard it is to leave...believe me, I know! So, if the fear is what you're going through, I totally understand, but don't be fooled by such demonic actions and scripture!
Regular members...please take the time to read articles written by other regular members...the support is good and will give us all confidence...welcome new members!
proudchristian...again, mate....EXCELLENT article!
This site is to fight against
This site is to fight against Islam, not any other religion...if you are anti-Christian, anti-Hindu, anti-Buddhist...etc.....go elsewhere!
Why are these comments still being posted!?!
Truth is this.Try and refute
Truth is this.Try and refute if you can.
1.Islam was, is and continues to be pure evil.It has copied many aspects from surprise surprise, the bible.
Bible has as much evil in it if not more than Islam.
Christians were evil in the past in many places and continue to be evil in India even today.How ever much you sugar coat the rantings of the dead jew on the stick, they remain bitter and evil.This site is about the exposing the evil nature of middle eastern religions, Judaism, Christianity and Islam.The Judaism is not practiced as in torah and jews are really smart people. The evil twain need to be scrutinised and defanged christianity is no solace!
Hi ; Christian and proud of
Hi ; Christian and proud of your past I agree with you and Megha Ha Ha ha ha
pk aka Halalpork786 why dont
pk aka Halalpork786 why dont u read u prone scriptures,
One day when the sage Atri was performing asceticism with his wife Anasuya, Brahma, Visnu and Siva came to him and offered him a boon. When Atri continued to meditate, the three gods went to Anasuya; Siva had his linga in his hand, Visnu was full of erotic feeling, and Brahma, beside himself with desire, said, 'Make love to me or I will die.' When she heard this coarse speech, Anasuya made no reply, for, although she feared the anger of the gods, she was true to her husband. But the three gods were overcome by delusion, and they raped her by force. Then she became angry, and she cursed Siva to be worshipped as a linga, Brahma to be worshipped as a head, and Visnu to be worshipped as feet, in order to ridicule them all, and she cursed them all to be reborn as her sons. Because of this, Siva was born as Durvasas." -- Bhavisya Purana 3:4:17:67-78
If i go through this mohammad is a true follower of u r gods ( in raping )
Here a woman is born with out a womb
"[Janaka:] 'Now, one day when I was in the sacrificial grounds, I saw the ultimate celestial nymph, Menaka, flying through the sky, and this thought came to me: 'If I should have a child in her, what a child that would be!' As I was thinking in this way, my semen fell on the ground. And afterwards, as I was ploughing that field, there arose out of the earth, as first fruits, my daughter, who has celestial beauty and qualities, and can only be won by one whose bride price is his manliness. Since she arose from the surface of the earth, and was born from no womb, she is called Sita, the furrow.' " -- Ramayana 1:65 (Devanagari manuscript w-1455).
pk Aka hallalpork786 its up to u AND THIS SITE IS MADE TO HELP MUSLIMS WHO LIVE IN DARKNESS & IF U WANT TO BASH CHRISTIANITY SEARCH SOME OTHER SITE.
Dr. Sina, I apologize for my
Dr. Sina,
I apologize for my saying this, but this is going too far....proudchristian writes an article exposing more horrors regarding Islam and HE gets attacked! I'm not a Christian, but what the hell is the point and how is attacking relevant to his article!
FFI members should not fear they're going to be attacked should they send in an article....same goes for any other religion...if this is the case...you may lose valuable members...it is unfair.
proudchristian....you did an excellent job on your article and I encourage you to keep writing.
As for you other ungrateful people who do not appreciate the horrors proudchristian has exposed, go somewhere else....this site does not or should not bash other religions...whether you're Christian, Hindu, Buddhist....etc...if you want to bash another religion...leave and bash elsewhere...you all showed no respect for proudchristian whatsoever and that is inhumane and down right cruel...proudchristian said nothing against Hindus, Jews, Buddhists, Atheists, etc.....what gives you the right to bash him?
No tolerance...no better than your Muslim enemies!
I realize Christians have given many Hindus hell...believe me, I know...I've had a taste of it, but not all Christians are like that and until proudchristian gives you a valid reason to believe he has shown any disrespect towards you...shut up and help fight Islam!
Sorry....I don't mean to
Sorry....I don't mean to start anything, but we're supposed to be working together to fight Islam, but it is NOT going to happen if we start other wars of our own.
For all the other regulars who appreciate this article...please encourage proudchristian and anyone else who submits an article!
Megha u r new to this site (
Megha u r new to this site ( for posting comments ) if u go back some 8 to 7 months back it is ( PK aka hallalpork786 aka allahmiya ) a person in different names started attacking first after that we started responding to him and i bet u will never find a christian attacking other religions unless provoked, if u look back few months back moderator came into action and deleted off topics comments.
TO,
MODERATOR ITS TIME TO COME INTO ACTION IF NOT IT WILL GO A LONG WAY.
WAKE UP MAN WAKE UP
to - JAMES BOND 007 , Do you
to - JAMES BOND 007 , Do you have any idea about hinduism ??? . we need not follow any confounded scriptures . what ever you have written is a bull shit. Is it all made up by braind dead Christians and Muslims. Bhavisya Purana- is about Future. Even I can Open a website telling Jesus ?????? mary and it will be referred by idoits by just searching the web and posting that in these sites. You read the authenticated scripts and then write. read about sage Atri for the proper script and write here. Do not be a ?????? up idiot by following the dead jew.
THERE SHOULD BE A MATRIMONIAL
THERE SHOULD BE A MATRIMONIAL SECTION ON THIS SITE FOR US (apostates) BECAUSE WE CAN FIND APPROPRIATE MATCH HAVING SAME LIBERAL VALUES AND MENTAL HARMONY
Megha - I am sorry , I know
Megha - I am sorry , I know Islam is a main threat to Humanity . (Christianity is a threat to other Religions- they try to convert idiots). But , an idiot JAMES BOND 007 can't just write some BS and go away with it. That is why i have replied to him.
Arp, I didn't see your
Arp,
I didn't see your response to jb007, but you don't have to apologize to me...but hey...thanks for being polite...I personally like that in a person. I understand that we Hindus (if that is what you are) disagree with Christians in terms of religious views, but I have met many wonderful Christians who do not ridicule me for being who I am...but...I have met some that I don't even discuss my religious views. My hubby is a Christian and some of our arguments have been due to religious differences, but we love and respect each other GREATLY...so it works out fine. I realize we're going to get angry from time to time.....hey, I'm pissed at these Hindus for giving us a bad name! Or if pk/hp786/am are the same person...that particular one!
jb007...hey, man....I agree with some of what you said, but you'd be surprised at how many close-minded Christians live around me....I knew one pastor who became upset because a youth member told another youth member they'd receive bad karma and there was a spew about that...over karma...which simply means...what comes around goes around...reep what you sew....good example in the Bible....when Jacob was deceived on his wedding night....he deceived his own father, did he not...karma....Hindus just thought of the name for the concept....anyway....but I do know many Christians who are respectful towards my beliefs...well, I guess they like me so they have respect for me as a mostly good-natured person, maybe not towards my beliefs.....but...I have been a silent reader for a while and remember the bashings between the Hindus and the Christians...it was ridiculous! How did you all figure out pk/hp786/am were the same person....I never would have guessed cuz the pk personality writes better English...had me fooled! lol
Arp u call me with names i do
Arp u call me with names i do not care because it does effect me and i do not care and i will not respond in same language and i love giving respect to others.
For a clear picture i request u to visit these sites ( first read the article & then see the videos )
http://www.worldslastchance.com/articles/next-and-last-pope-will-be-a-de...
.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARQmkbTF7g0&feature=related
.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPNTCzJJwUk&feature=related
.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUH4fu4NheQ&feature=related
.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4QHrDYX9KI&feature=related
BW, I think I'd be afraid to
BW,
I think I'd be afraid to match up with anyone on the site if you have personalities like pk/hp786/AM.....I'd be afraid they were not who they say they are.....might be a Muslim in disguise...lol
That was a bit of sarcasm, yall!
Interesting thought, though!
Guys, I'm sorry...I didn't mean to get anyone off topic, but I just felt proudchristian deserved a little more respect than he was getting....give props to him! Or her! :)
Megha u said How did you all
Megha u said
How did you all figure out pk/hp786/am were the same person….I never would have guessed cuz the pk personality writes better English…had me fooled! lol
I say
THATS IN MY NAME ( see the reaction tomorrow form pk/hp786/am ) SMILE
Megha: This site is to fight
Megha:
This site is to fight against Islam, not any other religion…if you are anti-Christian, anti-Hindu, anti-Buddhist…etc…..go elsewhere!
Why are these comments still being posted!?!
I say:
Because the idiots still come here.
JB: I say THATS IN MY NAME (
JB:
I say
THATS IN MY NAME ( see the reaction tomorrow form pk/hp786/am ) SMILE
I say:
Hindu bashing does not help.
Good article PC.... I don't
Good article PC.... I don't know for how long these hell-fire fearing Muslims are going to live in Allah's world? I think PC has correctly stated that the fear of hell-fire alone keeps Muslims to show indecent humility, even though they know the real character of Muhammad and the contents of Quran.
Coming to the other part:
To JamesBond007: Dude, if you want to say something on Hinduism, first quote the Sanskrit verse and then its transliteration. I will give you one example of how verses are cooked up to harvest souls. You lifted a verse from Bhavishya purana (bhavishya = future) to say that Shiva was born as Durvasa. The key point to be addressed here is: If someone is predicting about something, it should be in future tense. Why is it in past tense? w = m x g (in order to get the correct value of w, you must know m and g; If you want to doctor w on earth, you must think of 'm' and 'g'. Hope you got my point!
If you want to harvest souls through doctoring verses and inculturation, you must have the first hand knowledge of Sanskrit. You can't be dumb and at the same time dream about harvesting souls. Please pass on the messege to the editor of the website where you lifted those verses.
Halalpork and PK, I know missionaries produce verse after verse to harvest souls. Yet, this site is meant for Islam. So let us stick to it and wipe off islam.
Megha, I quite agree with what you say. Keep writing!
Insha Allah, Islam will be in ruins very soon (hope you guys love my sense of humour)....
Ahh now I am positive as to
Ahh now I am positive as to why your heart bleeds for christian sucms too.Your hubby a christian! Wallah. My nessage on this site is against the devious nature of all religions.If christianity does things deviously, I have as much right to criticize it , as much as you have the right to slander the islam. Please ask your hubby not to cry about the dead jew on the stick.
This piss pond chap has the brain stuck in the piss pond.He thinks PK/HP786 etc are the same?What a deduction.Amazing.You have the nack of showing of your absolute stupidity even when not asked for.thats the greatness of your stupidity. Now the truth is known to site moderators, me and HP 786 and allah! oh may be perhaps jesus.The rest is all assumption.
The fellow who got nailed to the stick can not really tell you the truth as he has already been nailed for fasely claiming to be a prophet. the allah chappy is too busy in handing out the virgins and manufacturing the whores as the moslem scum bags are killing themselves and others too rapidly. That leaves moderators and me and HP 786.!
Islam has to be destroyed and that I believe is my point too.I agree here . Has chrristianity behaved in equally foul manner? The answer is a big yes and I have met perfectly decent christians and moslems too! But that does not mean any thing. Both bible and qrand are filthy and full of cruelty and violence.Please open your mind and close those books.
Oh by the way thanks for
Oh by the way thanks for complementing my english. Better than ? What? Your english? See the language is purely for communication.If I can communicate a point across to the dumbest and brightest with ease, then the language has served it's purpose.the rest of the words are all supefluous. My mother tongue is not ENGLISH but dont under estimate my ability to handle the english words.I am quite capable of utilising the english words almost as If my mother tongue is english.
Here again I must make a point.there are many silly christians that I have met over here, who assume that they speak and write better english than me simply because they are? Guessed it right christians! read RK narayan's novel to get an idea as to the mentality of these dark ugly looking christians from south India!
All religions are MAN made.GOD does not need a man to tell us as to how GOD( he/she/it) functions.Certainly not the pimp allah and the dead jew on a stick
This article explains the
This article explains the conundrum of Muslims,even the educated and the intelligent kind, accepting that allah is The God and that mohammed is TheProphet..According to Paulo Freire the victim of oppression are even more oppressive than their oppressors,when and if they [the victims] come into power.Another fact is the Stokholm syndrome that affects people who are constantly under inhuman ,dependent relationship.They have internalised through terror that whatever their captors/masters/people with power over them told them is the truth.This is a terrible kind of deprivation for a child,having the natural laws of human society and relationships denied and exalting something that is against the rules of normal human transactions and relationships.As far as the child is concerned he only knows that the shape with three-sides is called the square,and the words "kill","lie", has meanings different from the rest of the society.
I have studied comparative religion and found it difficult to understand how my Muslim friend could justify the provisions in the Muslim Personal Law by explaining that the prophet allowed it as condition of women in his region required such measure and that the mullahs were misinterpreting the Quran.Since visiting this site I realiased that it was she and other people who were misreading the whole nature of Islam .Though not a muslim ,I had still granted it the status of a religion[i.e a way of truth].i felt very stupid for believing that it has/had any goodness in it.It was truly a moment of having-the-scales-fall-off-ones-eyes kind of experience.Even now I find it difficult to believe that all this was in the quran ,and people have been accepting it as truth.I felt like the fools around the emperor who really believed they could not see his wonderful clothes.Talk of blindness.!
I thank Dr.Ali Sina and his colleagues for the many illuminating articls that helped remove the tints from my sights.
We must remember that one cant fool All the people for All the time.Apparently Mohammed didnot know it .
PK, I can't even believe the
PK,
I can't even believe the moderators post your comments....you are indeed very thoughtless and cruel.....none of the Christians on this site can help what has happened in India....my heart goes out to my Hindu brothers and sisters for the ridicule they have undergone, too!
Nor is my husband responsible for the horrors there so quit blaming all the Christians...Not ALL of them are that wicked, but your intolerance is no better than that of pedo Mo!
Yes, you have the right to bash as you wish, but in my opinion your hate for Christians should not be displayed on THIS site...there are plenty of anti-Christian sites out there!
My husband does not cry over your cruel and evil comments cuz he says karma will catch up to your hatred....believe me...it does!
As for your English...great job...you speak and write better than I do...now...why don't you practice being a better Hindu.....your anger and hatred leave something to be desired and you're giving us a bad name.....learn to encourage FFI members like proudchristian instead of belittling them because your religious opinions differ!
My heart would have gone out to a Hindu, Jew, Buddhist, Wiccan etc. if they were to be religiously pursecuted on this site for an article.....so don't assume I'm just a softy for Christians simply because my husband is one....I'm a softy for everyone belittled or pursecuted....which is more than anyone can obviously say for you!
hmmm...wonder where halalpork786 is.....come out, come out wherever you are!
Ongoing and hatred never go far...look what has happened with Muslims and nonmuslims alike because of it!!! Yes, I'd say it was time for Hindus to kick some ass, but persistent intolerance and hatred won't help matters either!
Guys...I did not mean to get off topic so please don't forget to give proudchristian some props (encouragement).
What can you expect from people full of bitterness and hate, though! I was there not too long ago....
Yes, Marie...I'm a Pepsi junky...is there any other soft drink?
Alright.Now that you have
Alright.Now that you have thrown a few spikes at me, let answer with laced spikes.
What have I done for you to say that I am thoughtless and cruel?
Ah, there we are the dead jew on a stick! That must have really shaken you and stirred you.
Are you a hindu/ a make believe hindu or the follower of the dead jew on the stick?
I have nothing but down right contempt for the evil teachings of bible and the the equally evil qrand.In the past I have posted the evil nauseating killing verses of bible.I find it funny that, you want to respect bible and it's violent vomitus of teachings, but want Islam to be condemned for the same reason.If I condemn both bible and qrand because both are equally violent and virulent, I become a thoughtless and cruel. Iam quite aware of the way these two books brainwash the followers but had not expected, you, a heathen, too brain washed! You are a pagan, a despicable heathen destined for hell.says who?Not me .Ask the dirty missionaries and the dead jew on the stick. My karma will follow me? Yeh I am prepared for it.My bad karma of not following the hindu dharma is already disturbing me.Dharmo rakshati rakshitaha. You protect dharma, and dharma protects you.
Now that we are even stevens let us get on with what? Islam bashing.
Have I mentioned elsewhere I have perfectly sane and good moslem, christian friends? May be.You are just getting in to this FFI akhada. All religions are MAN made.That's the reason we find in all religious teachings. absurdities, asininities, mistakes and are generally in favour of man and not woman.At the least the spiritual and scientific information in many of the hindu teachings are far far superior to the stupid silly abrahamic teachings.
Take this small example.Bible syas world is 6000 years old! Veda says the earth is 4.3 billion years old! This was condemned as all hocus pocus by the christians.Even mahatma Gandu says this about you christians.You christians are all so unlike christ! AT least moslems follow the pedophile rapist to the dot.
Let me reiterate my stance. I believe all human beings are equal to an extent .All religions are man made.There is nothing divine about either bible or qrand for the simple reason that both contain absurdities and asininities,Have argued with a lot of dumb christians and even dumber moslems.
The hatred is from you moslems who call me a kafir and christians who call me heathen/ pagan and both of yu believe that I go to hell.How silly and stupid.
Well, you actually threw the
Well, you actually threw the first spike at proudchristian. To tell you the truth, I thought the same thing when I read the article, but unlike you, I didn't see the point in bringing up Christianity when this is an anti-Islamic site! Proudchristian had had a well-written article posted regarding Islam and that is what I felt and still feel we should concentrate on! I thought it was disrespectful of you to attack him.
I have some of the same views as you regarding Christians and Christianity, but if I want to express them, I shall find an anti-Christian site to go to and express my points of view there!
I called you thoughtless and cruel because you totally disrespected proudchristian...yes, I'm aware of what many Christians think of my beliefs, but I'm also aware that many Christians respect me...and I felt you should do the same for a fellow member of the site...which you did not!
Disrespect Christianity as you like....but did you see proudchristian attacking you or any other Hindu? NO! Have some decency and show him respect for at least informing us of Islamic horrors...if you want to expose the horrors of Christianity, feel free, but do it elsewhere! There are Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, atheists..etc. here who have mutual respect for each other.....take Marie for example....she tells people to knock it off with the Hindu bashing.....Even Rationalist (a Hindu) thought your comments were unnecesary. I'm not trying to drag anyone's name in it, but my point is, you showed no respect towards proudchristian, rather you ridiculed him for his beliefs! there are anti-christian sites for that and I would have defended someone else of another faith had the same been done to them because people seem to forget what our focus is...including you!
I have imperfections I am judged by and discriminated against on a daily basis and I work with others who are in the same position as I am so do not tell me I don't know what it is like to experience ridicule and discrimination...believe me, mate, I do! And I advocate for almost anyone undergoing ridicule for no good reason! Proudchristian did not deserve the ridicule...he deserved praise and encouragement for a well-written/well informed article! Had he written an article regarding what Christians believe about Hindus, pagans, etc...I doubt it would have been posted, but if it was....then you have reason to express your opinion! What disrespect had he himself shown you...absolutely none!
I am a Hindu and no, I'm not
I am a Hindu and no, I'm not a follower of "the dead jew on the stick" and I'm sure Christians will tell you they are not as well!
Well I'm not christian, but I
Well I'm not christian, but I do follow the "DEAD JEW ON A STICK."
Hi, g-blade, What
Hi, g-blade,
What religion/way of life to you observe/believe?
oops, I meant "do" sorry
oops, I meant "do" sorry
Hi Megha, Thank you for
Hi Megha,
Thank you for solacing me in this article. Apparently, you are new to the site (FFI) or correct me if I'm wrong.
The fact is that for us who have been long here are already used to these kind of fiery but painful debates among hindus and christians.
I no longer feel that sense of being ridiculed, it is just like a parent who has troublesome teen and he must comply with the situation. I'm not saying that Pk is my kid, I'm just saying I'm already hardened by his views. That's the case with FFI moderators too.
How do I take Pk now? must be you question right now. He is just a friend. We have come together a long way. Believe me, Megha, for the past two months or so I missed Pk a lot. He was not posting and you know he is a gifted poster, in terms of his English and ability to play with words and posting style. In short I love the guy.
How do I take the Hindu faith in general? must be your curiosity. I live in a third world country where Hindus are big businnessmen. They are a major force to our economy. I studied with one Hindu student, a boy, and was a gifted Mathematician, but ah, he couldn't beat me ;)
And at the global level? I respect Hindus. India is a major force now in the global economy. And Hindu girls? Cute, but not easy to get one, you know cultural ties are too strong. I guess you come from a bit liberal familly, not unlike Pk's one.
Something to respond back?
Megha Comment ID
Megha
Comment ID #22351
September 17, 2009 • 2:41 pm
Hi, g-blade,
What religion/way of life to you observe/believe?
I say:
I believe the scriptures not what the church or the preacher on the pulpit tell me. Christians believe in the Trinity, water baptism, eternal tourment in hell, the IMMORTAL SOUL, all the dead are either in heaven or hell as we speak, OH YES! And FREEWILL!
I do not believe in any of the above mentioned, cause it is not in the scriptures.
"By following muhammed i am
"By following muhammed i am promised pradise..."
What a bunch of fools for believing in this hogwash. They are not even guaranteed any of it EVEN IF THEY DO BELIEVE! This promise is as if I promised it to them - mohammed, nor I, can promise anything of the sort. Believing in stupid - no matter how many rites and prayers one makes (and in the case of islam - no matter how many people one might kill or support others to kill in the name of a god) - is still stupid.
Oh sorry Megha, I thought you
Oh sorry Megha, I thought you would have wanted to know the my specific views about Christian stance on Hindus in general?
You know Megha, Christianity is not a Monolithic religion. We come from different backgrounds and we have different traditions pertaining to how we express it in public.
I suspect I'm a concervative Christian who believes in the Bible fully from the OT to the NT, but you know what, the more I become a deeper Christian the more I love people of all faiths, including Muslims. My epitome of morality is Jesus. How would this amazing Jew deal with the Hindu faith? Just like the way He dealt with Judaism. That no matter how much we hold onto our old heritage and traditions as a way of seeking God, if we do want to know the real God, He is there to show us the real one. And if we dont? It will be kinda of scoring a goal in the wrong net.
Hi, proudchristian, Well, I
Hi, proudchristian,
Well, I work with individuals with disabilities. Everyday I see these individuals struggle in some way or another because society refuses to accept them as real people! Well, not all of society, but a good majority. over time, technology and some of society have greatly improved. But I have listened day in and day out to these people and their struggles in how they deal with life, family, friends, work, school....you'd be amazed at what they go through. I suppose that is why I lashed out at pk....I hate to see/hear/read that people are being ridiculed for no good reason....it is just in my nature to come to the defense of someone, I guess...glad you and pk are friends, though.
Yes, it has to be said he has a way with words...I'll give him that one.
But I hope you and even pk have a better understanding as to why I think and feel the way I do!
As far as my family is concerned.....well, that my dear friend is another story! If you have an email address you don't mind posting, post it and I'll write you.
You are a very gifted poster, too! :) I encourage you to write more frequently! You definitely have a gift...one I hope to possess sometime in the near future!
Hindu girls cute? lol I think Hindu guys are, too! I have a friend who I've adopted as my big brother...yeah, he's pretty cute....inside and out...I'd probably consider marriage if I wasn't already happily married to an awesome guy...hahaha.....oops....bet he read this and mouth dropped 3 feet! lol Anyway, proudchristian....yeah, cultural ties can be heartbreaking sometimes. It's sad, really!
I guess eventually my heart will harden, but it is going to be challenging considering those I work with on a daily basis. I'll try, though....for someone nice like you!
Well, back to work! Have a good day and post an email if you have one to share and I'll definitely keep in touch...
"By following muhammed i am
"By following muhammed i am promised paradise"
That's sentence equals to: By following a godfather i am promised money, sex, and foods.
Correction: human doesn't become dust when they dies.
"By not following muhammed i am promised hell fire"
That's sentence equals to: By not following a godfather i am promised a bullet in my head.
"So therefore i have nothing to loose by following islam"
Wrong assumption. He already sets his mind that islam is the truth (with no proof). Playing Pascal Wager is very risky, one wrong step or god could make you suffer forever.
Conclusion: Muslim act depending on reward and punishment, example: a muslim gave charity (2.5%) to poor people, he did that only because he must do it, not because of kind heart. A true kind person gives something without expecting any reward, on the contrary muslim are expecting reward for charity.
Hi, Megha, You speak for me
Hi, Megha,
You speak for me too, I am totally in agreement with you, and you said it very well. I mean about the business between ProudChristian and ProudKafir, and about the bashing of Christians and Hindus. When I first came to FFI these 2 names stood out for me, because of the "Proud" part in them.
PC; it took me a while to digest what you wrote, but then I realised the extent of indoctrination Muslims (are liable to) undergo in their youth. And that that indoctrination may have gone into their subconscious, so that Muslims are really subconscious of their beliefs. As of course we all have many subconscious beliefs, by which we are programmed. And only by becoming conscious of them can we change them, isn't that so? So very good that you brought this up.
PK. Your posts are so spicy, so humorous at times, surely never dull! You are a good ally to have. Of course Muslims sometimes accuse FFI of insulting/ demeaning/ degrading/ hating language and FFI has long since lost plausible deniability because of you. But also because of many other visitors of FFI. But it is all within freedom of speech, no violent actions are preached by you or them. And Muslims reciprocate in kind and plenty. Plus sometimes with serious threats too.
What I also like to share with you is my take on "normal human behavior" and "stupid" or "evil" human behavior. My idea is that "normal' of necessity must cover 51 % or more of what people are or do, otherwise it would become "abnormal". So when the standard of behavior of humans is overall low, what you consider stupid or evil is in fact normal. And you tend to bring the standard of behavior of humans down by including so many humans in the category of stupid or evil people. I am just saying, if you overdo it, you really say it is normal human behavior. And I think this is what you risk.
Moooo Comment ID
Moooo
Comment ID #22404
September 17, 2009 • 7:48 pm
"Correction: human doesn’t become dust when they dies."
I say:
What is it about some of the people on this site?Does one have to spoon feed you on everything that is said here? Ofcourse humans does not become DUST. MOOOO, please give me another word (in Hebrew) for BIODEGRADABLE MATTER if you where to have written the scriptures 2500years ago?GEEWIZ!
Ohh lalala! It's easy to
Ohh lalala! It's easy to trump up charges and keep blurting out inanities.
Dear clouded one can you please point out the exact sentence where I have cursed proud christian? name calling cursing are all moslem and biblical traits and not my cuppa.In the first post I have said that bible has enough virulent and violent material and if one is condemning qrand for the violent verses, then Bible should also be condemned equally. The precise sentence is as follows
"Truth is this.Try and refute if you can.
1.Islam was, is and continues to be pure evil.It has copied many aspects from surprise surprise, the bible.
Bible has as much evil in it if not more than Islam.
Christians were evil in the past in many places and continue to be evil in India even today.How ever much you sugar coat the rantings of the dead jew on the stick, they remain bitter and evil.This site is about the exposing the evil nature of middle eastern religions, Judaism, Christianity and Islam.The Judaism is not practiced as in torah and jews are really smart people. The evil twain need to be scrutinised and defanged christianity is no solace!" Where exactly have I cursed any one at all? Jesus ,Yes Indeed. I have cursed because he calls us all pagans, heathens and thought we were all destined for hell! Would you not curse Jesus?For holding such racist bigoted views?
Now in response to what was written above you two mutually scratched each others backs and even talked ill about my family! What do you know about me or my family or for that matter any thing at all about me? Zilch. You people assume too much and think too much of your self.You were stupid enough even to say I am married to a white american christian ! Wow that's the greatest qualification?Assumptions alone do not make truth.
PK, Who the hell said you're
PK,
Who the hell said you're married to a white American Christian? I said I was! And I said nothing about your family...all I know about your family is that you have a daughter...or more than one...I did not assume anything about your family....and fyi...I'm not selfish!
For those of you who are not familiar with Indian languages...Megha means "cloud," not "clouded one!" Insults, insults!!!
You aren't doing any better than Jesus...this site is anti-Islamic...NOT anti-mideast religions! How many articles have you seen posted that expose anything negative regarding any religion other than Islam...from what I've observed...in your words..."zilch!!" Your comments towards proudchristian's article were stupid and irrelevant...I'm sure what provoked your hatred....the screen name "proudchristian!"
proudkafir....yeah, that's a name to be proud of!
I don't care what you think of Christians, Jews, me, whatever, but I do care about the focus of this site...and and respect towards other people...if we don't think like you, you consider us stupid and beneath you....you're the one with "kafir" attached to your screen name...If you are such a good Hindu...why not use proudhindu...you're out of focus at times as far as I and I'm sure a few others are concerned.....
And he calls me the clouded one??? When people's minds are clouded with hate and stupidity, I guess that is what they would see!
A white american christian is
A white american christian is better than black american christian? Or for that matter black american non christian? I can make people to get worked up for no reason at all! When people get agitated , they are in a temporary state of insanity and blurt out or do things not ordinarily done! Cant post a white flag here.
Cloud can be quite beautiful too. See that's how simple play of words can trick you! ed made all the difference
Enjoy this joke at least and then we shall carry on with islam bashing.
A woman was upset with churchill and she says to him you are obnoxious and drunk!
Churchill says.Yes lady Iam and you are obnoxious and ugly, but I will be sober tomorrow!
That's the hold he had on language.I hate and admire that fellow at the same time.Enjoy bashing mohammad and pimp allah
Hi, megha. My email is
Hi, megha.
My email is ebarongo82 at yahoo dot co dot uk. I hope you get the point.
Hope to interact with you soon.
PK, Nice trick....try again
PK,
Nice trick....try again next time...but for what it is worth to your ego, I'm glad your fun and game with with words to arousemy "temporary state of insanity" was amusing entertainment for you!
White American Christians better than black American Christians or black nonchristians? hmm....neither are superior in terms of race or religion...so, it would depend on the individual and their character...puntuation doesn't fool me!
Back to Islam bashing!
Have a nice day!
proudchristian, thank you for
proudchristian, thank you for the email...will write soon!
G-blade, "What is it about
G-blade,
"What is it about some of the people on this site?Does one have to spoon feed you on everything that is said here? Ofcourse humans does not become DUST. MOOOO, please give me another word (in Hebrew) for BIODEGRADABLE MATTER if you where to have written the scriptures 2500years ago?GEEWIZ!"
My sentence was directed at that LS guy:
"Than let me analyze. By following muhammed i am promised pradise but by following ali sinas way when i die i will just turn in to DUST and nothing will happen."
You see, all muslim really believe that literally. Dust to dust, ashes to ashes. Why did you become panic, eh G-blade? Anyhow, dust is wrong and irrelevant to represent BIODEGRADABLE.