Help with a Thesis on Leaving Islam

Abul Kasem in article above: “Leaving Islam is like being re-born as a human being—truly free, happy and loving to every creature on earth.”

So true, and as a fellow ex-Muslim I agree completely.

For me leaving Islam is like being a born-again human. I now judge people on their characters, no longer whether they are Muslims or non-Muslims.

To: Shafee Al Zindig

You wrote:

Abul Kasem in article above: “Leaving Islam is like being re-born as a human being—truly free, happy and loving to every creature on earth.”

I say:

If that's so true, why do you have to keep reminding everyone. Is there something in the depths of your soul that makes you feel like you may have made a mistake?

You then wrote:

I now judge people on their characters, no longer whether they are Muslims or non-Muslims.

I say:

That's nice of you but somehow doesn't quite figure, does it? You know, in the light of your glowing commentaries on all things Muslim and Islamic before you even get to know the Muslim you have stereo typed him/her!

maybe the author can check out the Caner brothers, here is the first video of 12 that they talk about such things as leaving islam and how difficult it is:

http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=FE35D62E4DD937EB

Dr. Ergun Caner and his brother, Dr. Emir Caner are interviewed by Dr. John Ankerberg

Dr. Emir Caner is Assistant Professor of Church History at Southeastern Theological Seminary in Wake Forest, North Carolina. Dr. Ergun Caner is Associate Professor of Theology and Church History at Liberty University in Lynchburg Virginia.

Walid Shoebat also has a website, shoebat.com, and he is a former PLO muslim who now lives in the USA also.

I don't know how easily these people can be reached, I am sure they have to show caution.

As we all know, fear is the engine of Muhammads Islam.

I mean, no real person of sound heart and mind could actually believe that god is as cruel and unjust as mohshitheads fictitious allah.

One of the main reasons (aside from the reality of physical harm and ostracization) that Muslims are afraid to leave Islam, is that they have been so deeply indoctrinated that they actually believe that to renounce Islam is the ultimate person failure and that they will spend eternity in hell being tortured as Muhammad described.

How totally ironic and totally ridiculous.

kabirlaw: says:
"If that’s so true, why do you have to keep reminding everyone. Is there something in the depths of your soul that makes you feel like you may have made a mistake?"

I say:
It is like the feeling that a blind person experiences after he has been living in the dark when he can now see the light. Or a deaf person who can suddenly hear the music of the Universe. Or a prisoner wrongly imprisoned being set free after many years. The joy and ecstasy is unbelievable and he wants to share it with everyone.

My feeling is similar. I had once lived in the dark mental prison of Islam, with its hundreds of illogical dos and don'ts, what Allah likes and hates, who to befriend and not to befriend, what to eat and not to eat. The depressing list goes on and on. There is now only this indescribable rapture when one's soul is set free. It is never again having to live in fear of a non-existent tyrannical Allah and his fiendish sadistic hell.

There is no mistaking this feeling. You never know what you are missing until you try it for yourself. Moreover you should not falsely comfort yourself that ex-Muslims like me have done so only because they did not truly understand the beauty of Islam. On the contrary, we understand Islam all too clearly for what it really is.

kabirlaw: says:
""That’s nice of you but somehow doesn’t quite figure, does it? You know, in the light of your glowing commentaries on all things Muslim and Islamic before you even get to know the Muslim you have stereo typed him/her!"

I say:
As an ex-Muslim and having grown up among them all my life, I find it impossible to stereotype all Muslims. You have both the good and the bad.

Take my own family as an example. My mother was a liberal, tolerant and broad-minded Muslim who was unjustly condemned by my illiberal, intolerant and narrow-minded Muslim of a father because he felt she was not Muslim enough. Some of my siblings are extremists and the rest are moderate. The moderate ones are hated by the extremist ones. You can see here how Islam divides families and makes love impossible. The only Muslims that I really hate are the evil ones who want to ram their narrow-minded views down everyone else's throats with threats and violence like your Taliban fellow-Muslims.

Good on ya KB, we need more people like you in bankstown.

i just wondering what you ex-muslim think about heaven and hell before and after apostasy, are you still thinking of getting jiggy under the tree by the river of milk and honey with blow up doll (never menses women), where's that dirty idea came from?

***Only after I studied thoroughly the Qur’an and other canonical books of Islam, I found Islam to be barbaric, false, and imperialistic***

how irony is the verse that says:
-they have hearts but they dont understand
-they have eyes but they don't see
-they have ears but they dont hear

why muslim cannot undertsand that, a ordinary person stoning a person to death is barbaric, a human being with sex addiction is false prophet, and imposing islam with swords in this world is imperialistic (the way it spread)

go to the very basic, ask yourself what kind of moral teaching you expect from religion, should religion teach us to judge and punish people?

hopefully you join 80% world population who have eyes and hearts that see and understand

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Let me get this clear to all big mouths watching this site. These are the type of "muslim" that i respected:
- Non practicing muslim who don't ever read and know their religion, yet.
- A sufi, because they are spiritual and mind their own business.
- An ahmadi, because they are peaceful,
- A liberal "muslim" who choose liberty and human rights than sharia law, they are againts sharia.
- A rational muslim struggle between apostate or not, because their conscious are working.
If you don't belong to all above categories, you'll know what kind of treatment i'll be giving you and i don't take complains as muslim always do.

To kebirilewd, where are my answers?

If a muslim start to show up and boasting here and there (example: rabies dog called srizals) i would know for an instant that he/she isn't belong to all above categories.

My respond to the arcticle,

"(Note: the actual name and the e-mail address have been suppressed for security)"

Only in islam this kind of thing happen. The question is why? If islam is the truth (reality: is not) why bother and angry when someone apostated. Hmmmmmm, curious...curious....curious....

"In Bangladesh, though apostasy is not punishable by death, apostates are isolated from the society, stigmatised and live under constant threat of being murdered by the Islamists."

Not only in bangladesh, all islamic countries do that. I don't know about secular turkey but i know the reality about apostates isolated, terrorized (physically or mentally) and insulted by muslims. What a bunch of thugs. A thug of "truth"? Give me a break.

"There is no joy in Islam, there is no happiness in Islam, there is no pleasure in Islam. Anything, joyous, pleasurable, enjoyable and comfortable is prohibited in Islam."

True, because you will get that in islamic whore house a.k.a pedo mo's ideal heaven. A lustful barbarian thinking about lustful heaven, it's a normal wet dream by pedo mo.

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Islam give the full right to a person to be a muslim or not, but once he is a muslim he can't go back on it. You were not a born muslim because every child is born a muslims its when he has the full knowledge then he decide what to do. So there is no concept in Islam that if you a born in a muslim family you would be a muslim.

For non-muslim Islam give all the right to practice their religion and give security with the money if they are when they are in muslim country. But it don't tolerate people who are muslim and then leave. Just answer this question and you 'll have the answer.
"If you, who are living in Australia start disliking it and start say bad things about it. what will happen what will your country do?.
Even if you left and say a single word against it you' ll get the response. Then Allah who gave you the whole world and made you the best of his craetions and provided you with everythings,He choose the punishment because after having understanding you try to turn your back.

Islam gives the full right to a person to be stupid as they want to be
allah didnt give us anything, allah aka satan responsible for muslim's brain damage, if you understand, you will leave the religion that promote under age sex (married) and give more sex for hereafter, allah is mohamed's floppy cock!

did government stop paying welfare after sheik lullaby (hilali), went to egypt and talking bad about the country that gives him residency after he lives illegaly? NO.
islam is pile of shit and you can not even smell it

a muslim:

For non-muslim Islam give all the right to practice their religion and give security with the money if they are when they are in muslim country.

I say:

In Islam nonmuslims cannot own property, built religious institutions, get a job, and exc. In countries that give real right to practice religion religious minorities are not required to pay for their security.

a muslim:

“If you, who are living in Australia start disliking it and start say bad things about it. what will happen what will your country do?.

I say:

In America we treat our fellow American citizens who do not like America with respect and dignity.

To A Muslim:
You talk about entering and leaving Islam. First you said that in Islam there is no concept that you are a Muslim when born into an Islamic family. That would be admirable of Islam or the Muslims who practice it if it were true, but we all heard about Muslims “born into Islam”, who want to be Atheists, or Christians or for another faith, who are considered apostates, who often are killed, prosecuted, harassed, shunned etc. by Muslims, in Islamic countries, and even in Democratic countries.

We also know about the testimony of a Christian being worth only half that of the testimony of a Muslim in Pakistan and about many other discriminations of religious minorities in most Islamic countries. In contrast to what you said about freedom of religion and security for them.

And you said that once you have decided to be Muslim, you are not allowed to reconsider, not by Allah, who will punish you, and presumably not by other Muslims. Don’t you see how outrageous unreasonable, both from Allah and other Muslims, such an attitude is? Allah gave us our brain to use all our lives and it is well known that humans change their thoughts all their lives, so why shouldn’t they be allowed to change back and forth with all sorts of convictions, religious or otherwise?

Would you find it reasonable if Christians in the West would declare that those who first were self-confessed Christians, who want to become Muslims cannot do so, because they are not allowed to leave Christianity?

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"For non-muslim Islam give all the right to practice their religion and give security with the money if they are when they are in muslim country."

Another liar pop out in this site. Where do you live by the way? Another planet?

to 'a muslim', your response is the usual from a person who could care less about anyone having to live under sharia laws who is not a muslim. I have read posts like yours from muslims who are in full denial of what goes on to others who are not muslims.

And just because you believe that people are all born a muslim doesn't make it true. Just because you believe your 'religion' should rule over everyone doesn't make it the best, or that it should do such a thing. The treatment of anyone who doesn't 'tow the line' is barbaric and the apathy coming from the so called 'peaceful' muslims is also barbaric. Bukhari b9, v86, n101 mohammad: "Silence is consent."

But, that is so very much an 'islamic thing' - silence. Because even your profit, oh er I mean prophet, couldn't handle questions or anything/anyone that went against him. And he behaved as any good, little narcissist - denegrate 'em, persecute 'em, and kill 'em if necessary! Blame it all on allah and your 'rewards' will be great (sort of ironic coming from deceivers!).