Hameed F vs FFI Staff

Printer-friendly versionSend to friendPDF versionFrom: hameed f. To: faithfreedom2@gmail.com Date: May 6, 2006 10:29 AM Subject: HELLO MAY ALLAH FORGIVE YOU AND LET YOU KNOW THE TRUTH ABOUT ISLAM SOME DAY BEFORE DEATH KNOCK ON YOUR DOOR. AFTER DEATH IS TOO LATE AND HELL FIRE WAITS YOU. [color=purple] Hameed, May reason and intelligence wake up in you so you may see the evil that Islam is and so that you may stop your future generations from being caught in that evil cult. Please tell us of a single major error in AliSina's analysis of Islam. If you cannot find an error then how long are you going to keep your mind shut and keep repeating the nonsense of islam that was drilled into you as a child? Doubtless[/color] To: FFI Date: May 8, 2006 4:11 AM Subject: Re: HELLO Well i will try as much as possible to make you reason along with me that islam is for peace,the major error about you and your site is that you are applying sentiment and personal hatred towards islam and i pray ALLAH will forgive you and show you the way someday. [color=purple] You only found personal sentiment and hatred? Then the charges against muhammed are valid? That is Muhammad was a rapist, a pedophile, an assasin, a ruthless torturer, a mass muderer etc., and you still claim that Islam is for peace. Is that peace of the grave? And you are apparently are so caught up in the cult that you are terrified to think at all. I can only hope and pray to the powers that be that your intelligence faculties will open and you may be free one of these days. In the mean time I urge you that you read AliSina's writings and verify that the charges he brings against Islam and muhammed are in fact true. The site is not driven by hate but by love for the muslims. Someone has to work to get them out of the hole and evil they are trapped in. Doubtless[/color] Date: May 9, 2006 2:44 AM Subject: Re: HELLO DONT WORRY I WILL CONTINUE TO OFFER MY SPECIAL PRAYER FOR YOU SO THAT GOD WILL TOUCH YOU IN POSITIVE WAY SO THAT YOU CAN REALISE THAT YOU ARE TOTALY PASSING WRONG INFORMATIONS ABOUT ISLAM. MAY ALLAH TOUCH YOU PERSONALLY TO KNOW THE TRUTH ABOUT ISLAM. [color=purple] Hameed, it would be nice if you could be more specific about what wrong information on Islam that is on the FFI site. And do tell us why it is wrong. If it is wrong, it will be set right, and as AliSina has pledged that if you can show that he is wrong then he will shut the site down. So please do tell what is wrong. Atleast think about it. That may be a new experience under Islam. Now saying a prayer for a kafir? Here was a question asked is it ok to make du'a for kafir? who is one of the relatives for example the father ( kafir) and he is ill ..can i make du'a for him? What do you think? Can he say du'a for his ill kafir father? Think before you look at the answer: [url=http://63.175.194.25/index.php?ln=eng&ds=qa&lv=browse&QR=1620&dgn=4]kafir father[/url] [/color] Innitially i was having a very negative impresion about you because of what i saw on your website but im feeling better with you as this conversations continue. Virtually all information from you about islam on the website are wrong,every organisations has his own culture and beliefs and set of rules to guide the members so that they dont deviate from it,if the United State does not enforce the laws of the state there would have been chaos and no one will be safe but because everyone does not want to be punish hence they choose to obey the law. Islam has its own set of rules which are holy and doesnt want his people to go astray,therefore who ever chooses to disobey the rules will be punish. This is a warning from the supreme being which i dont think you belief in his existence{ALLAH}. so my brother if you abide by the rules and regulation set by allah,you will have peace in everything in this world and hereafter,therefore islam is teaching peace to your existence but in a situation whereby you want to enforce your culture on other as the United state is trying to do then i will do everything possible to defend it. Finally,you a [color=purple] Hameed, your letter seems to have been cut off in mid sentence. The only thing I got from the last paragraph is "Finally, you a". What you say about the laws is correct, and that laws are required to maintain "law and order". However, the laws have to be just and they work better if they are acceptable to those they apply. If the United States is trying to impose its laws then it is worng. I do not think that is the case. You are correct that I do not believe in Allah. I used to. But then I started learning and reading and thinking. Hameed, the fact is that muslims try to abide by the rules and regulations set by allah and the results of what is happening in the muslim countries is in front of you. Pick any muslim country and we can see what Islam is doing to it. You tell me a period in Islamic history when the people followed Allahs rules and regulations and there was peace. Muhammed fought and fought. You may want to look up how many ghazwas he started in the last 13 years of his life (not futhoohat). Then he had barely died that fitnah between his companions started. Many still have not forgiven or accepted Abu Bakr. And then how many died in the riddah wars. And then Aiesha decided to join and fight Alli and the camel war and how many muslims killed other muslims? So you tell me when has there been peace under Islam in the last 1450 years. And then look at how the kafirs were treated. Would you like to live under the laws of dhimma? Do you think the kaffirs of the world should offer the muslims the same conditions: that muslims should live under laws that the muslims applied to the dhimmis? No mosque or masjid can be repaired, no muslim can have a house better than a kaffirs, no muslim can wear clothes that are better than a kaffirs, etc. etc.? Is that justice? You tell me. Yes what the site says about Islam is harsh, but it is the truth. Tell me what is not true and it will get changed. Doubtless. [/color] Date: May 11, 2006 8:34 AM Subject: Re: HELLO How are you doing today,you got the major part of the message except the conclusion which only talked about appealing to you to be soft about islam on your website. more importantly,i dont agree with you on your submission that there has never been peace in islam and people who practise it,im a muslim and to some extent and considering the harsh condition and economy situation in my country,i still enjoy some relative peace and satisfaction. On prophet muhammed war he effort,that was absolutely necesary,its part of the ideolgy the USA is using this days to force people outof Allahs way. muhamed came to propagate islam when his people only belief in idol worship and the way of life then was unislamic,so the prophet was sent to them to come and show the the true way of life,now tell do you think it will be very easy and peacefull for the prophet and his followers to achieve that without applying force or do you think the kaffirs will wait and see the prophet grow,so my brother that could have never beeen possible without going towar with them. please you seems to have gone astray{im sorry if that words sound a bit harsh}but i think you still have to sit down and think that you have been totally misled. honestly,i will be happy to see you one day knowing the truth and im sure this is a test from Allah to you and i pray you come back to islam and let the whole world know that islam is peace and peace is islam except for those who doesnt want islam to stay. So my dear brother i love you,Allah still loves you all good muslim love you and insha allah i will see you one day coming back to islam. ma asalam. [color=purple] On 5/11/06, hameed f. wrote:[/color] How are you doing today,you got the major part of the message except the conclusion which only talked about appealing to you to be soft about islam on your website. more importantly,i dont agree with you on your submission that there has never been peace in islam and people who practise it,im a muslim and to some extent and considering the harsh condition and economy situation in my country,i still enjoy some relative peace and satisfaction. [color=purple] I hope you and yours are doing well. I do not know which country you live in and hence I cannot comment. However, it is a fact that no muslim country has ever developed a peaceful way of transferring power and the various kings, sultans, dictators, strongmen that rule the lives of the ordinary muslim have rarely ever left power peacefully. That has been the case since the earliest days of Islam.[/color] On prophet muhammed war he effort,that was absolutely necesary,its part of the ideolgy the USA is using this days to force people outof Allahs way. muhamed came to propagate islam when his people only belief in idol worship and the way of life then was unislamic,so the prophet was sent to them to come and show the the true way of life,now tell do you think it will be very easy and peacefull for the prophet and his followers to achieve that without applying force or do you think the kaffirs will wait and see the prophet grow,so my brother that could have never beeen possible without going towar with them. [color=purple] You are giving the illogic that muslims have been telling themselves. Here is what is wrong with it. The END is "Islam must grow" or "Islam must be established" and for that end the muslims excuse and justify every horrible act of muhammed. In that logic you have accepted any and all means are acceptable to achieve an end. That reason does not disappear even today. That is precisely the reason that shcolars like Maudoodi and Qutb have used, and the violent jihadis of today use to justify their actions. They are merely doing what muhammed and establishing Allahs religion on this Planet and fighting the kaffirs who resist them. So in effect you agree with them. Why does so much bloodshed and misery and evil have to be done to establish Allah's religion? Is that why Allah creates knowing fully well who is going to be a kaffir and who will die a kaffir so he then torture them forever and forever in hell? Given the numbers, it looks like that your allah will torture an overwhelming majority of humanity; he creates all these kaffirs so he can torture them? What kind of stupidity is that? And you buy into it?[/color] please you seems to have gone astray{im sorry if that words sound a bit harsh}but i think you still have to sit down and think that you have been totally misled. honestly,i will be happy to see you one day knowing the truth and im sure this is a test from Allah to you and i pray you come back to islam and let the whole world know that islam is peace and peace is islam except for those who doesnt want islam to stay. So my dear brother i love you,Allah still loves you all good muslim love you and insha allah i will see you one day coming back to islam. ma asalam. [color=purple] I am sorry to say that you are the one who is blind and have bought into the lies of Islam. You did not even bother to look at the examples of Islam's history I gave you. Even if you put aside the barbarity of muhammed, the companions started feuding and fighting each other as soon as muhammed was dead. And those types of feuds and battles have never stopped within Islam. How many muslims have been killed in Iraq just in the last year by other muslims? How many muslims have been killed in Pakistan by other muslims? How many muslims have been killed in Sudan by other muslims? But you are unable to open your mind and see. Is this the isalm you hang onto? Is this the islam you want others to hang onto? Doubtless. [/color] To: FFI Date: May 13, 2006 3:04 PM Subject: Re: HELLO Hello friend,how are you doing,to start with,honestly,i dont like some of the words you used in your last letter,tey sound provocative and harsh to me so please i dont want same gain,im only trying to learn from you,but i dont think you can convince anyone if you continue using all sort of words in your last letter. To me i belief God created everyone and he knows everything about everyone from the first day of such creature,which means he knows where we are starting from and where we will definately end. I told you in my last letter that im from africa {NIGERIA}.although we sometime face some religion problem here but to some extent its very minimise compare to some islamic country. I will only be able to arrive at a conclusion about your last letter and its that lets leave everything thing to God and let stop all sort of condemnation,you can practise any religion you want as long as we dont encroach on the peacefull existence of one another,although i agree with you to some extent in your submissions but i will still need more concrete conviction from you. lastly,i will like to ask you a question which is that DO YOU WISH TO GET SOME PEOPLE HERE IN MY COUNTRY CONVINCE ABOUT YOUR FEELING. I WILL BE HAPPY TO HERE FROM YOU ABOUT THIS. THANKS AND GOD BLESS. [color=purple] On 5/13/06, hameed f wrote:[/color] Hello friend,how are you doing,to start with,honestly,i dont like some of the words you used in your last letter,tey sound provocative and harsh to me so please i dont want same gain,im only trying to learn from you,but i dont think you can convince anyone if you continue using all sort of words in your last letter. [color=purple] I wish you would tell me exactly what sounded provocative. I did not intend it to be provacative. I am not trying to sell anything and I am not trying to convince anyone of anything. All I am trying to do is to get people to think and read and see the facts on Islam for themselves and then make their own minds up. The biggest hurdle to that is that most muslims have never read the quran or the hadeeth for themselves. They have only heard stories and bits and pieces from either their family or some local mullah. All I ask is that the muslims should read Islamic scriptures and history for themselves.[/color] To me i belief God created everyone and he knows everything about everyone from the first day of such creature,which means he knows where we are starting from and where we will definately end. [color=purple] If that is the case then Quran says that Kaffirs will be burnt in hell again and again. Now allah knows everything and before he even creates he knows whether the person will be a kaffir or a muslim. And he also knows whether that kaffir will die a kaffir or not. Now look at history and there have always been a lot more kaffirs than muslims and even now there are 4 kaffirs for every muslim. Does this mean that allah creates more kaffirs knowing fully well that they will not believe in him and then he will punish them for eternity? What kind of creator is that? He creates so he can torture most of his creation for eternity for some thing he knows that they will do even before he created them!!! [/color] I told you in my last letter that im from africa {NIGERIA}.although we sometime face some religion problem here but to some extent its very minimise compare to some islamic country. [color=purple] I missed if you said Nigeria. I have looked at all your old posts and I still could not find you mentioning nigeria or africa. Yes it is minimal problems but I still get to read of problems between the north and south nigeria now and then. I hope you are in a peaceful part of the country.[/color] I will only be able to arrive at a conclusion about your last letter and its that lets leave everything thing to God and let stop all sort of condemnation,you can practise any religion you want as long as we dont encroach on the peacefull existence of one another,although i agree with you to some extent in your submissions but i will still need more concrete conviction from you. [color=purple] Hameed, I do not condemn but I do want muslims to see Islam for themselves and think. Yes we should be able to live peacefully as one world. There are so many problems in this world that we need to solve togather. Unless we all work togather, the problems are not going to get solved. We all need each other. In this type of world, not looking at facts and the truth but living in lies is dangerous for all. Please tell me bluntly if you think I am lying about anything. I do not know everything obviously, but I do try my best to speak what I really think and believe. I will try to show you the reasons for my statements. [/color] lastly,i will like to ask you a question which is that DO YOU WISH TO GET SOME PEOPLE HERE IN MY COUNTRY CONVINCE ABOUT YOUR FEELING. I WILL BE HAPPY TO HERE FROM YOU ABOUT THIS. THANKS AND GOD BLESS. [color=purple] Nigeria is an important part of the world. I do not want to convince them of my feelings but I do want them to actually read and learn about Islam, muhammed and the history of Islam. For example you are in africa. Nearly all scientists now believe that humans first started in africa and all humans on this planet today essentially came from central africa about 60,000 years. In a sense all of mankind is really africans. Africa has suffered the most of any other continent. The number of africans that were captured and sold into slavery runs into the millions over the centuries. That has had a devestating effect on Africa. Who were these slavers? And why did they think they could enslave humans like they did? Which God did they invoke to get sanction for the slavery? Do you know? If you have not read the book "Slavery in the Arab World" by Murray Gordon, you should. Here is a review of it at FFI [url=http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/SStephan/islamic_slavery.htm]islamic slavery[/url] [/color] THANKS AGAIN FOR YOUR RESPONSE AND I THINK IM GETTING CONVINCE BUT I NEED TO PASS THIS ACROSS TO MY FELOW BELIVERS HERE IN MY COUNTRY,PLEASE TELL ME HOW I COULD ACHIEVE THIS WITHOUT BEING KILLED. [color=purple] Hameed, Tell them to read FFI. Tell them to read the Quran. Tell them to read Islamic history. But do not argue face to face or in public because you are right for you will get killed that way. Take care and I hope you and your family find peace and thrive. Doubtless[/color]