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A Guide to the Qur’anic Contradictions-9

Printer-friendly versionPrinter-friendly versionSend to friendSend to friendPDF versionPDF versionBy Abul Kasem February 26, 2009 (A few readers wanted to know why I am repeating some contradictions. The answer is: I am not repeating; Allah is repeating many verses; I am just following what Allah had done in the Qur’an—Abul Kasem) Sura 40: al Mumin (The Believer) or Gafir (He who Forgives) 40:25 Pharaoh ordered that all the newborn sons of the believers of Moses killed, but to spare their daughters. Contradiction: 20:37 39 says Pharaoh ordered the killing of infants when Moses was born, and not when Moses turned into an adult. 40:62 He is Allah, the creator and the sustainer of everything, worship none but Allah. Contradiction: 12:100 says Allah allowed Joseph’s brothers and his parents to worship Joseph by prostrating before him. Contradiction: 23:14, 37:125 say there are other creators besides Allah, but Allah is the best creator. 40:65 Allah is eternal; worship none except Him; all praise belongs to Allah. Contradiction: 12:100 says Allah allowed Joseph’s brothers and his parents to worship Joseph by prostrating before him. Sura 41: Ha Mim or Ha Mim Sajda or Fussilat (Revelation well expounded) 41:9 Allah created the earth (first) in two days (means Sunday and Monday—ibn Kathir) and He is the Lord of all worlds Contradiction: 79:27 30 says Allah created the heavens first. Contradiction: 7:54, 10:3, 11:7, 25:59 say six days of creation. Contradiction: 41:12 says Allah created the seven heavens in two days. 41:11 Allah designed the sky as a smoke; He rose towards the smoke, asked the smoke and the earth (i.e. earth was already created) whether they would come together willingly or unwillingly (the smoke is the steam of water—ibn Abbas). Contradiction: 21:30 says heavens and the earth were joined together as one solid mass, then Allah separated them. 41:12 Allah completed in two days (Thursday and Friday—ibn Kathir) the creation of heavens in seven firmaments (first) and (then) earth (that is; the total creation time for the earth and the seven heavens were two days); assigned duties and commands to each heaven, and adorned the lower heaven with lights. Contradiction: 7:54, 10:3, 11:7, 25:59 say Allah created the heavens and earth in six days. Contradiction: 2:117 says Allah creates instantly. 41:16 Ad people were unappreciative of Allah’s revelations, so Allah destroyed them through a violent wind for several days and warned that penalty for them in the hereafter would be more humiliating. Contradiction: 54:19 says Allah destroyed Ad people in one day. Contradiction: 69:6 7 says Allah destroyed Ad people in seven nights and eight days. 41:31 The angels are our protectors in this life and in the life hereafter. Contradiction: 2:107, 29:22, and 42:28 say Allah is our only protector. Contradiction: 5:55 and 9:71 say messengers and the believers are our protectors and helpers. 41:37 The sun and the moon are the signs of Allah, but do not worship them; prostrate only to Allah who has created them. Contradiction: 12:100 says Allah allowed Joseph’s brethren and his parents to prostrate before Joseph. Sura 42: as Shura (Consultation, Counsel) 42:51 Allah speaks from behind a veil, or through sending a messenger; Allah never speaks directly. Contradiction: 53:11 says Muhammad saw Allah with his own eyes. Contradiction: 2:259 says Allah spoke directly to an ordinary person. Contradiction: 2:36 says Allah spoke directly to Adam. Contradiction: 4:164 says Allah spoke directly to Moses. Sura 43: az Zukhruf (Gold Adornments) 43:55 Pharaoh’s insolence greatly annoyed Allah, so He drowned Pharaoh. Contradiction: 10:92 says Allah saved Pharaoh. Sura 44: ad Dukhan (Smoke or Mist) 44:4 On this night (that is, on the night of Laylatul Qadr), Allah decides on all matters. Contradiction: 20:52 and 57:22 says Allah has predetermined our fate even before He created us; everything is predetermined in the preserved tablet. Sura 45: Jathiya (Bowing the Knees, Kneeling) 45:14 The believers are to forgive the unbelievers; Allah will decide on their punishment and/or reward. Contradiction: 9:5, 9:29 say kill the unbelievers if they do not accept Islam or pay jizya tax. Sura 47: Muhammad (Prophet Muhammad) 47:15 Believers will be in gardens with rivers of incorruptible water, rivers of milk, rivers of wine, rivers of honey, all kinds of fruits, and grace from Allah. Unbelievers will dwell in fire; they will drink boiling water which will tear their intestines. Contradiction: 5:90, 2:219 say wine is Satan’s handiwork. Sura 51: az Zariyaat (Winds that Scatter) 51:56 Allah created the Jinni and human only to worship Him. Contradictions: 3:97, 35:15 say Allah does not need humans and jinns; He is free of all wants. Contradiction: 7:179 says Allah created many men and jinns destined for hell. Sura 52: at Tur (The Mount, The Mountain) 52:34 Allah challenged the unbelievers to compose a book similar to the entire Qur’an. Contradiction: 2:23, 10:38 say Allah challenged the unbelievers to produce one Sura similar to the Qur’an. Contradiction: 11:13 says Allah challenged the unbelievers to compose ten Suras similar to the Qur’an. Contradiction: in 17:88 Allah challenged the entire mankind and the jinni to produce the entire Qur’an. Contradiction: in 28:49 Allah challenged if the unbelievers could produce a book better than the two other books (Moses and Aaron as well as the Torah and the Qur’an—ibn Kathir) then Muhammad would have followed that book. 52:35 Humans were not created out of nothing. Contradiction: 19:9, 19:67 say Allah created a man out of nothing. End of Part 9. To be continued in part 10. ------------ Abul Kasem writes from Sydney, Australia. Send your comments to nirribilli@gmail.com
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Ofcourse Abul kaseem is

Ofcourse Abul kaseem is boring.The reason is simple.He is repeating what allahmeralauda( sorry the allahissabkalauda allah) ejaculated out.
Every thing in life has checks and balances.allahsabkalauda has to be checked and balanced out.we have joos and kafirs to do just that!
Every thing has contradictions.Brain dead uncultured zombie moslems and brainy joos.And how is that for a contradiction?


Abul Kasem why cant you just

Abul Kasem why cant you just post very blatant contradictions for even an avarage muslim to see? They dont have to be many only 10 concrete contradiction are enough to cast doubt on some honest muslims. In all these contradictions only verse 43:55 and 10:92 are clearly contradictory!


For me I dont require quranic

For me I dont require quranic contradiction to disprove muhammad. All I need is for muhammad to prove to me that there is life after death, period!


islam is a cancer tha thrives

islam is a cancer tha thrives on blind ignorance and stupidity.


1. Habshi Says: Kasim, you

1. Habshi Says:

Kasim, you are boring as always.
Begin with inhale and exhale, day and night, f**k in and f**k out, every moment has contradictions. You are simply wasting time, that is my observation for whatever it is worth.

Let me tell you darling, your observations are worth nothing.


Well simple dickhead habshi,

Well simple dickhead habshi, you write incoherent nonsense. Abul Kasem has quite well show the contraditions in the Quran and yet you refuse to believe. I don't blame you , the son of a whore that you are, you mental level is still that of a pimp.


Dear Readers, This is my

Dear Readers,

This is my response to Mr Abul kasem’s claims of Quranic contradictions. I will simply expose how poorly researched his writings are. In my effort to be polite towards him I have refrained from calling him a deceptive liar. But nevertheless, his claims do not even deserve a reply. But for the sake of those who are here in their honesty to research Islam. Let me tell you that it is not uncommon for people to visit Islamic hate sites and be drawn to further investigate the claims of these hate mongers. In their quest to check these so called ‘facts’ they stumble upon the truth and realize the falsity of these people’s assertions.

Here I would like to bring to your notice simply one claim of quranic contradiction

ABUL KASEM STATES:
40:62
He is Allah, the creator and the sustainer of everything, worship none but Allah.
Contradiction: 12:100 says Allah allowed Joseph’s brothers and his parents to worship Joseph by prostrating before him.
Contradiction: 23:14, 37:125 say there are other creators besides Allah, but Allah is the best creator.
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Now I am going to present the two verses which Abul kasem quotes as a contradiction. In fact for our readers I will post the verses that follow the actual verse quoted by Abul Kasem. I would then leave it to the judgement of our readers to say “and they fell prostrate for his sake.” Followed by prophet Joseph stating —“ my Lord has made it true” in anyway or streak of imagination amount to WORSHIP. How can one see someone falling in prostrate ( a symbol of gratitude) for his loved ones sake an act of worship unto the loved one. Next time we thank god for our kids success beware we might simply be worshipping the kid .
These are just pseudo scholarly lies that are sowed in people who are so hateful of Islam that they would believe everything anti-islamic or those who are victims of perceptions that these Islam haters force them to accept. For starters If you have no idea of what is being spoken of here. Let me quote a short summary of this chapter of Quran-
“This chapter receives its title from the story with which it deals.. It is not, in fact, a mere narrative, but foretells the ultimate triumph of the Holy Prophet, who was to be turned out of his native city, and also the final submission of those who were plotting against his very life.The chapter deals with three kinds of vision, viz., the vision of a prophet (Joseph) which pointed to his ultimate triumph and the triumph of Truth (vv. 4 and 100); the vision of a king, relating to the material welfare of those under his care (vv. 43– 49), and the visions of ordinary men, relating to their own adversity or prosperity (vv. 36 – 41). The grander the purpose, the longer the vision takes for its due fulfilment; Joseph’s vision took a whole lifetime, the king’s vision fourteen years, while the visions of ordinary men come to immediate fulfilment..”

HERE ARE BOTH THE VERSES :
CHAPTER 40
Al-Mu’min: The Believer
(REVEALED AT MAKKAH: 9 sections; 85 verses)

62 That is Allah, your Lord, the
Creator of all things. There is no God
but He. Whence are you then turned
away?

CHAPTER 12
Yusuf: Joseph
(REVEALED AT MAKKAH: 12 sections; 111 verses)

SECTION 11:
100 And he raised his parents on the
throne,a and they fell prostrate for his
sake. And he said: O my father, this
is the significance of my vision of old
— my Lord has made it true. And He
was indeed kind to me, when He
brought me forth from the prison, and
brought you from the desert after the
devil had sown dissensions between
me and my brethren. Surely my Lord
is Benignant to whom He pleases.
Truly He is the Knowing, the Wise.

100b. Seeing the highly dignified position to which Joseph had been raised in
Egypt, they all fell prostrate before God as a mark of thanksgiving. Joseph speaks of
this, i.e. of the dignity to which he was raised, as the fulfilment of his vision. This is
made clear in the verse that follows.

101 My Lord, Thou hast given me
of the kingdom and taught me of the
interpretation of sayings. Originator
of the heavens and the earth, Thou
art my Friend in this world and the
Hereafter. Make me die in submission
and join me with the righteous.

102 This is of the announcements
relating to the unseen (which) We
reveal to thee, and thou wast not with
them when they resolved upon their
affair, and they were devising plans.a

103 And most men believe not,
though thou desirest it eagerly.

104 And thou askest them no reward
for it. It is nothing but a reminder for
all mankind.

VERSES 102 TO 104 refers to our Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) See the beauty of these verses stating that You ‘Muhammad’ were not amongst the people of the time to witness the details of this events. Thus this narration of Joseph’s is simply an announcement of the unseen. Most men however don’t believe despite the fact that you would ‘ eagerly’ like them to believe. However, Prophet (peace be upon him) is consoled in verse 104 by this confirmation that ‘thou’ ( Prophet Muhammad) does not ask anyone for any material reward . Thus it is not to be misunderstood that his ‘desire’ for people to be believe is for any material reward. Finally it is said this Book/ the verses therein is nothing but a ‘reminder for all mankind’

Brothers and Sisters why should we not examine for ourselves the truth of Islam rather than being told by people who obviously and admittedly are blinded by their hatred towards our prophet and religion. What I present here is just the most simple and easy to understand testimony of these lies and deceptions so that every person can understand. There are many scholarly refutals dismissing these bad intentioned claims. I will copy a link of the previous rebuttals of Mr Kasem’s alleged contradictions. You can notice this is the ninth one in the series. It will also be interesting to note how Mr Kasem avoids engaging with that individual and ignores everything and continues with his ‘crude’ art of deception. I pity a life that is devoted to the pursuit of lying, deceiving and sowing seeds of hatred against a religion. No wonder I see no scholar or person of formal knowledge about Islam ever engaging with them anymore. I can understand their disgust at these elementary level critics. The audience on this site is testimony of the brutish, abusive, uncouth, uncultured approach of enemies of a civilized society. How can people who utter profanity, abuses and lies in each and every note of theirs be a judge to the genuineness of my faith?


yaa khuda maa chuda

yaa khuda maa chuda


Faithone says The audience

Faithone says

The audience on this site is testimony of the brutish, abusive, uncouth, uncultured approach of enemies of a civilized society. How can people who utter profanity, abuses and lies in each and every note of theirs be a judge to the genuineness of my faith?

Yeah alright, we don't go around killing people. Till the time we don't resort to doing that you can bet that we are the civilized ones. As for abusing, all one needs to do is to listen to the Khutba any Friday or better still watch the Islamic videos asking Muslim to slughter infidels. Faithone why don;t you go and stop your Jihadi brothers before you give us a sermon on Islam.


Faithinone, let me see how

Faithinone, let me see how you go about unlocking the obvious contradiction in:

43:55
Pharaoh’s insolence greatly annoyed Allah, so He drowned Pharaoh.
Contradiction: 10:92 says Allah saved Pharaoh.

Actually Faithinone apparently you are a muslim apologist and personally I've no respect to any person, who promotes a lie as truth and who calls a evil thing as good thing. You are the same people who continue to lead the masses in darkness through the same treacherous methods invented by one of the greatest charlatans. But the truth is much stronger than the lie and the light is stronger than the darkness soon your worthiness will be history. I'm a person of faith myself and I believe there is hell and heaven and if the time comes that my faith becomes a reality, I'll be more than glad of you being thrown in HELL FIRE (personally you )!


Dear Readers, I have been

Dear Readers,

I have been asked to ‘unlock’ the alleged contradiction in what the Quran states in Chapter 43 Surah Al-Zukhruf verse 55 and Chapter 10 Surah Yunus verse 92. I believe the content of Quran needs no unlocking it simply needs to be understood with clarity in heart and objectivity of mind. Also when someone refers to the verses in Quran we should check them ourselves. In order to understand a verse it is very important to read the preceding and the verse that follows the actual stated verse. Otherwise it is very simple to pull out a sentence from anybody’s writing and distort the facts. This however doesn’t matter much when one seeks the answers to this particular alleged ‘contradiction’. But it is still important whenever we set ourselves to analyze the revelations in the Quran.to read the chapter in entirety or at the least read a few verses that follow up on the previous one as well as the verses before it.

Now I am simply going to put forward the verses in the Quran that has been referred to. When I approached this topic I simply checked the Quran myself instead of believing in the false claim of Proud Christian brother. I advise Brother Proud Christian to research claims before they are made. It is meaningless to rely so much on the false claims made by so the so called ‘scholars’.

a) 43 :Surah Al-Zukhruf
When at length they provoked Us, We exacted retribution from them and We drowned them all (55)

b) 10: Surah Yunus

"This day shall We save thee in thy body, that thou mayest be a Sign to those who come after thee! But verily, many among mankind are heedless of Our Signs!" (92

As for the Verse 43:55 it is simple what is meant here. And I am sure our brothers intended to point out the apparent flaw in the next verse 10:92. Let us read the verses in context in entirety

Allah said: "Accepted is your prayer (O Moses and Aaron)! So stand ye straight, and follow not the path of those who know not." (89)

We took the Children of Israel across the sea: Pharaoh and his hosts followed them in insolence and spite. At length, when overwhelmed with the flood, he said: "I believe that there is no god except Him Whom the Children of Israel believe in: I am of those who submit (to Allah in Islam)." (90)

(It was said to him): "Ah now!― but a little while before, wast thou in rebellion!― and thou didst mischief (and violence)! (91)

"This day shall We save thee in thy body, that thou mayest be a Sign to those who come after thee! But verily, many among mankind are heedless of Our Signs!" (92)

Here let me attempt to explain the obvious. It is clear that God is relating the situation faced by Pharoh immediately before he was overwhelmed. The Pharoh followed the Children of Israel across the sea and when it became evident he was going to drown he exclaimed that ‘I believe’. However God says you repent now whereas a while before you were in ‘rebellion’. The wisdom of God’s justice is evident here that God does not forgive once a person is destined to receive the punishment. It simply means there is no terms for bargain after you insolently carried your mischief and ‘Ah! Now!’ Hence god continues in the next verse stating he shall ‘save thee in thy body’- why? So that ‘that thou mayest be a Sign to those who come after thee!’ The term ‘save thee in thy body’ simply means I shall preserve your dead body to be a sign of warning for the succeeding generations. It is clear and evident what is meant here. If god intended to save the Pharoh it is incomprehensible to understand how it should be a sign for those who come after thee.
Obviously evil comes to an end and the Children of Israel were triumphant for the time being. Let us read the verse that follows now to get a full sense of what is meant here-

We settled the Children of Israel in a beautiful dwelling-place, and provided for them sustenance of the best: it was after knowledge had been granted to them, that they fell into schisms. Verily Allah will judge between them as to the schisms amongst them on the Day of Judgment. (93)

If thou wert in doubt as to what We have revealed unto thee, then ask those who have been reading the Book from before thee: the Truth hath indeed come to thee from thy Lord: so be in nowise of those in doubt. (94)

Nor be of those who reject the Signs of Allah, or thou shalt be of those who perish. (95)

Those against whom the Word of thy Lord hath been verified would not believe― (96)

Even if every Sign was brought unto them until they see (for themselves) the Grievous Penalty (97)

So when we read through verse 96 and 97 God himself explains the criterion: Those who have transgressed exceedingly would not believe despite all signs are brought unto them ‘until they see (for themselves) the grievous penalty’ Like the Pharoh. Hence we too should not do so or else we shall also PERISH.

Regarding the Pharoh exclaiming “"I believe that there is no god except Him Whom the Children of Israel believe in” This is not mentioned in the Bible but the Talmud says explicitly that when he was drowning he said, "Who is like Thee, O Lord, among the gods?"
It is known that even today the place, where the dead body of Pharaoh was found floating, is pointed out by the inhabitants of that region. It lies on the western coast of the Sinai Peninsula and is now known by the name of Jabl-i-Fir`aun (Pharaoh's Mount). There is also near it a hot spring called Hammam-i-Fir`aun (Pharaoh's Bath), which is situated at a distance of a few miles from Abu Zenimah, where, they say, Pharaoh's dead body was found lying. If the Pharaoh who was drowned was Mineptah, who ruled over Egypt when Prophet Moses was sent to him, his embalmed dead body is still lying in the Cairo Museum
However this above assumptions of geography and the exact identity of the Pharoh is in consequential to the essence of this narration which basically intends to signify that the enemies of God can never triumph once God decides to end their tyranny.

Hence all our readers we must know that the message is clear and simple. These conjectures are nothing but devious means to lie the facts of the Quran.


Dear Proud Christian, I hope

Dear Proud Christian,
I hope you have read my previous comment with complete honesty.
I appreciate that you are a man of faith. I am also a man of faith who has complete faith in the nobility and truth of Prophet Jesus. The basis of our faith is incomplete without our belief in him and other prophets before him. This is what our Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) taught us. However, we do not believe in the concept of trinity and him being God’s son. Hence when you condemn me to the fire of hell be mindful of the true teachings of Jesus. Nevertheless we also believe in the second coming of Jesus and if I am alive then or our future generations are there we shall see with whom he sides. Peace to you brother. Don’t be filled with so much contempt.


Well let me tell you one

Well let me tell you one thing faithinone. To be honest I've much contempt to muslim apologists more than I've for muhammad. Muhammad is dead and potentially poses no danger if it had not been people like you who always seek to relive him in today's age. It is true that I gave you that challenge before checking it myself for proof, otherwise I wouldn't have given it. It has always been my principle that I do not discredit islam based on quranic contradictions (although the quran is not contradiction free). I want to be honest it is a (small) victory for you.

Faithinone, if you were honest like myself, you could have easily seen that muhammad was not "the best of creation", mercy of mankind" and not a prophet of God and islam is not the "right path". I said that I would be glad if you tasted the hell fire, not as a sign of contempt on my side but just wanted to play your game as muhammad stated that unbelievers will be fuel in hell. Now I have a new dimension in understanding the words of Jesus when he stated to his audience in Mark 4:12: "They see clearly but don't perceive. They hear clearly but don't understand. They never return to me and are never forgiven." Of course Jesus spoke these words to jews but I see they apply to muslims apologists as well. On your case it is different. You see clearly and perceive but pretend not to perceive, you hear clearly but pretend to be a deaf! Good night!


From reading some of these

From reading some of these posts - I am more certain than not that islam's allah and mohammed didn't have 2 IQ points between them. And then his followers have to 'dump down' too in order follow such a duo.

I don't know why faithinone tries to explain his viewpoint though. It seems that forgiveness, Judgement Day and all the hoopla in the koran is for naught since there is predestination in islam. To me it all sounds stupid when one keeps the fact that there is predestination in islam.

I am not convinced of faithinone's rebuttal either. It sounds like a lot of gobbledegook.

If you want the real story of these Biblical accounts then go to the Bible. mohammed wasn't a Jew, nor a Christian - he was an illiterate pagan - and that is why he screwed them up so badly. I don't need a muslim to interpret them for me after mohammed mashed them up.


In the previous post, I

In the previous post, I actually I meant 'dumb down', but 'dump down' could be considered appropriate since it seems that the followers of allah/mohammed dump junk on us all the time.


FaithinOne, why can't you or

FaithinOne, why can't you or any other scholar write a rebuttal to what Kasem has written? People will then compare the two and give their own judgement. To me, Quran is an illogical book. It is full of hatred for non-muslims. Some of the verses I read from Quran are truly diabolical.

Here is a contradiction from Quran:(9:29)
"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth "

VS

Quran (45:14): "Tell those who believe, to forgive those who do not hope for the Days of Allah; It is for Him to recompense (for good or evil) each people according to what they have earned"

You might say it is Medina vs Meccan verse. When Mo was weak, he uttered 45.14, whereas when he became strong in Medina, he uttered 9.29. Do we have to study the mindset of Muhammad to understand surahs? This is hilarious.


Abu Kasem once posted two

Abu Kasem once posted two contradictions that I proofchecked and were obvious. One verse was about allah saving noah's son and other the son was not saved. The other contradiction was about allah sending messengers to all people while the other verse says allah didn't send messenger to all people.

Basically the claim that the quran is not contradictory therefore qualify to be authored by God is an asinine one. If an avarage person is capable of producing high quality and uncontradictory theses, why should we use this challenge to an almighty God? Is God a grade six pupil to give him this sort of challenge of writing uncontradictory thesis?Inept muslims!


proudchristian, well - here

proudchristian, well - here is how my mind works... :-)

Since mohammed took all of allah's other gods and goddesses away from him, he wasn't able to get his koran double checked by one of them so as a result we got the... totally inept, poorly written... koran.

What would the grade for such an 'achievement' have been if it were done by a grade schooler? If I gave it a 'C' I would be very generous indeed. But, I would give it a much lower grade and ask that the pupil go and see the school psychiatrist and alert the police since the student is exhibiting not only anti-social behavior, but is to alert the police and parents that the student is a danger to society!


Dear Proud Christian, I do

Dear Proud Christian,

I do not consider this exchange of ideas as a ‘victory’ over anything. You pointed out a contradiction and I simply quoted it back from the Quran stating that people assume a lot of things about Islam before researching it. I am only trying to emphasize that before you form an opinion it is best to consult the book that you would like to criticize. If you do have the time to check the source ask someone who belongs to the faith. I would never conclude an opinion on matters of your faith without consulting someone from the faith.

For the moment let me agree with you that the mere reason of Quran not having any contradictions does not make it the word of God But there are a substantial number of other reasons that does make it hard not to believe so. I would love to share them with you but I infer you will not be interested in them. Nevertheless Brother I would like to add that above everything else you have to read it entirely without the wall of dislike that we build against Islam to understand the depth and beauty of these divine verses.

Once again I see that you have mentioned Abu Kasem’s claim about a verse of the Quran claiming Prophet Noah’s son was saved and the other stating he wasn’t. Abu Kasems’s claims aren’t even his original research. These unsophisticated claims have actually become stale and I am sure many learned critics of Islam have stopped pursuing this quest of finding contradictions. Because It has none!

I wasn’t sure which verses you had proof checked I just simply ran a quick search on another anti-Islam site. I think you probably referred to these verses.

Chapter 11:42-43
Noah cried unto his son and he was standing aloof - O my son! Come ride with us, and be not with the disbelievers. He said: I shall betake me to some mountain that will save me from the water. (Noah) said: This day there is none that saveth from the commandment of Allah save him on whom He hath had mercy. And the wave came in between them, so he was among the drowned.

And :

21:76
And Noah, when he cried of old, We heard his prayer and saved him and his household from the great affliction.
37:75-77
And Noah verily prayed unto Us, and gracious was the Hearer of his prayer. And We saved him and his household from the great distress, And made his seed the survivors

Well sounds like an 'obvious' contradiction. But like I said before it is very easy to play with words by pulling out random sentences. So what should be the right approach? Before making a claim one should read the whole content of the referred subject.

Yes, one of his sons died in the flood, But what does God say about his status in the household of Prophet Noah ?. “Lo! He is not of thy household” and it is explained uninterruptedly “lo! He is of evil conduct” . The following verses talk about what Noah said after his son was drowned:

11:45 And Noah cried unto his Lord and said: My Lord! Lo! my son is of my household! Surely Thy promise is the truth and Thou are the Most Just of Judges.

11:46 He said: O Noah! Lo! he is not of thy household; lo! he is of evil conduct, so ask not of Me that whereof thou hast no knowledge. I admonish thee lest thou be among the ignorant

11:47 He said: My Lord! Lo! in Thee do I seek refuge (from the sin) that I should ask of Thee that whereof I have no knowledge. Unless Thou forgive me and have mercy on me I shall be among the lost

Brother I also agree with your statement why should we use this test of contradiction to ‘challenge’ Almighty God? Honestly we Muslims have never challenged the wisdom of God and not for a second doubted the authenticity of these revelations. But It is not us who want to measure God’s intelligence If you see, these claims are raised by people who despise Islam knowing fully well that they are lying. They want to deceive honest and curious people of other faiths who approach subject matters of Islam. They discredit everything by claiming to have researched the religion fully and obviously lie to people and repel them from the real Islam. But obviously they are mostly unsuccessful in doing so in the long run. Hence they have reduced themselves to launching personal attacks and abuses against our Prophet. This site I believe is in the forefront of such a vicious campaign.
We Muslims try to correct the misrepresentations to people who allege these faults. Our belief in Quran is not limited to this mere test of contradictions. It goes beyond this. In fact it is this surety of our faith that make people envious.


FaithinOne, what about verses

FaithinOne, what about verses in 9.29 and 45.14? Are you afraid of answering?


Dear Rationalist, I couldn’t

Dear Rationalist,

I couldn’t come to FFI for sometime as I had a very busy work week.. I am sorry if you had been anxiously waiting to get my view.

Let us read the Surah in accordance with how it is read to be understood. You have implied that there is a contradiction in the instructions given by the Quran. Firstly Quran wasn’t revealed to please anyone. It was revealed to The Prophet peace be upon him in stages. A lot of critics of Islam even find this disturbing as to why it was revealed in stages and why it was later compiled together without any alterations or additions. The revelations were inspired through a period of over 20 years, Each revelation dealt with different subject matters. Some were specific to the event or the occasion, Others dealt with timeless issues. But Primarily it is a book of guidance for people who heed to it.
Brother, I am not going to approach it the simplistic and dismissive manner you would like us to do. It is simply insensitive to think of this as an opportunistic ploy.

Let us read the two mentioned verses

a) SURAH 45 VERSE:14
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Tell those who believe, to forgive those who do not look forward to the Days of Allah: it is for Him to recompense (for good or ill) each People according to what they have earned.

B) SURAH 9 VERSE 29
Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger nor, acknowledge the Religion of Truth from among the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission and feel themselves subdued. (29

I am sure you have no problems understanding the first verse mentioned here. You surely find the other verse as a perfect plot to create a hysteria about Islam. This instruction in this verse is perfectly in sync with the previous one. I am sure you are aware when these verses were revealed. Thus it shouldn’t be a problem for you to understand the scope of these revelations. However, since you find this nothing but a matter of convenience for Muslims I shall try and address this notion.

Obviously this verse is in continuation of something. If you have read my previous comments I have stressed upon the fact that it is not a ‘rational’ practice to simply take a verse and start making your own negative conclusions.

Chapter 9

1-2] This is a declaration1 of immunity (from obligations) by Allah and His Messenger to those mushriks with whom you had made treaties:2 "You are free to move about in the land for four months more:3 but you should know that you cannot frustrate the Will of Allah, and that Allah will degrade the rejecters of the Truth."

What does it say? Simply that the treaty that you have entered into is terminated. The treaty mentioned here is the Treaty Of Hudaibya
After the treaty of Hudaibya the Muslims flourished in peace. As the word of god was spreading fact the Quraish were displeased with this reformative movement. ‘So much so that the zealous elements from among the Quraish were so exasperated that they broke the Treaty in order to encounter Islam in a decisive combat.’ The Muslims of the time decided that they would not be victims to this aggression and hence launched a preemptive attack. And the city of Makkah was in the control of the believers. But, some amongst the Tribe of Quraish were still filled with hatred for the followers of the religion who gave up false notions of God Another vicious attack was launched on the Muslim community in the Battle of Hunain in which the aggressors lost miserably. Thus the defeat of the aggressors paved way for peace and quite in the society. The society overwhelmingly welcomed the new reformative order thus establishing a union under the tenets of Islam which was aptly referred to as 'Abode of Islam' (Dar-ul-Islam

The verses that follow the first two verses deal with the situation then. According to the following verse the following command was issued-.” And, O Prophet, give the good news of a painful chastisement to the rejecters excepting those mushriks with whom you made treaties. and who afterwards did not violate these in the least nor did they give help to anyone against you; so you also should observe the treaties with such people in accordance with their terms, for Allah loves the pious people.5Will of) Allah.”

So the conditions are laid down clear:
The command to engage is limited to the groups that have broken the treaty and who aid your enemies. With the other Non-Muslims the treaty is valid. As it is clearly mentioned in the above verse. Hence the muslims should deal with them ‘in accordance with their terms’. Hence the setup of the discourse is clear.

Now in the subsequent verses the Prophet is instructed on how to deal with the aggressors. As it is evident that these verses were revealed during these decisive moments in survival of Islam. As we read on we realize that the verse close to the verse in question no 29 was revealed after the Battle of Hunain in which large number of the disbelievers embraced Islam after the victory at Hunain as a result of the kind and generous treatment they received from the Holy Prophet, in spite of their former antagonism. Thus establishing a union of willing believers.

Then the following revelation is made

Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger nor, acknowledge the Religion of Truth from among the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission and feel themselves subdued

It is simplistic to believe that there were no opposition against the new religion of Islam. Of course now the resistance was from the people of the book who were inhabitants of this society. As any nation state requires an economy where revenues are collected and spent back on the society ensuring proper governance
Thus this new political domain which had Islam as the basis of governance was no different. The Muslims were suppose to pay obligatory ‘Zakaat’ and as a principle of the new state the young and able-bodied were also part of the armed forces to defend its interest. On the contrary the people of the book were exempt from either. Thus as a balancing act their contribution was in the form of Jizya. The difference between zakaat and Jizya was fundamental. The zakaat was obligatory and did not exempt the able bodied from their services in the armed forces in most circumstances. Whereas, the payer of Jizya had the right to be excluded from fighting or defending. Hence the Jizya was simply and usually an equivalent sum of the prescribed zakaat of the time. Thus enabling the society to function with fairness and equity. In return of their contribution they were to be equal recipients of the safety and defence provided by the state. Just like any Modern state where all are required to pay taxes to the Government in return of services – social, economical, military services etc.
Thus by the contribution of Jizya they were free to pursue their religion and beliefs unhindered. However, there were certain factions who found themselves at odds with the reformation and openly declared treason by undermining the interest of the new Union. Their first act of defiance was a refusal to pay the statutory dues to the state thus disregarding the constitution (I,e, The Quran at that time), corrupting the legal system – encouraging unlawful practices and creating social incoherence by not abiding by the framework of the new society. Well in any Modern state if a group engages in undermining the rule of law they are dealt with brutal force. Here however despite the call to fight against those people of the book who commit the above mentioned illegal practices they are not ordered to be ‘wiped out’ as the critics of Islam would have liked. But the administration (believers) of that society are called to fight them in order to control (humble) and limit their ability for open disregard of law. As a sign of the acceptance of the state laws they resume their Jizya payment to the state. If one goes to the Islamic texts and history of Muslim dominated regions under Islamic laws we will find a similar and equal treatment of those who pay zakaat. In fact in the case of zakaat the act of giving zakat is one of the fundamental religious duties. As an Islamic state tolerates the followers of other religions they are exempt from the payment of Zakaat. However, in the absence of zakaat and in interest of equitable contribution by all to the state they are suppose to pay Jizya to the administration. Thus fulfilling their duties to the state. It is a very simple system of primary economic sustenance of a state where people of all denominations can exist after fulfilling their respective duties.

Nevertheless, there so much of hatred against Muslims that every administrative act of a society governed by Islamic rule comes under zealous criticism and illogical conclusions.

We have this basic misconception:

Understanding that the Quran did not land on earth in the form of a ‘Text book’. The amateur haters of Islam allege that Muslims consider this to be a physical book from heaven. Quite contrary we Muslims understand that it is a compilation of verses revealed to our Prophet on different occasions, situations and events and addressed a myriad of spiritual and social issues along with every aspect of a believer’s life. It addresses issues of a society individually and collectively.

In view of the above misconception I advise all to read the Quran or its chapters in entirety before drawing our your own dismissive conclusions. The haters of Islam create these contradictions in the Quran in order to divide and scare the society from the true teachings of Islam, I believe Mr Abu Kasem is miserably failing in his deceptive efforts. I think brother Rationalist you should come up with your own research instead of following Abu Kasem’s allegations. I am sure most of the time Abu kasem’s works aren’t his original researches. He relies heavily on the duped claims of fellow Islamic haters who merely play with words and make a mockery of his abilities. As always I request a re-read if you honestly bother to know the real truth. Or else you can continue with your tirade and I will be there giving my honest opinions.


faithinone I wish you a very

faithinone I wish you a very special Ramadan Mubarak! I am so happy to see someone clearing up the false accusations of those with evil in their heart. I also totally agree with your approach of reading verses before and after the verse in review. I thank you for your hard work and may Allah Almighty Bless You! As-Salamu Alaykum!