Submitted by Rowland (not verified) on Sun, 09/27/2009 - 21:09.
Bravo Geert Wilders!
It's now time to stop discussing about the threat of Islam and act, we are already at an incredible disadvantage by having such large immigration populations within our borders acheiving their aims while liberalists who want to (foolishly), be everybody's friend, dull our vigilance with multiculturalist 'pap'. As a Canadian, I have noticed that up until quite recently, Canada was largely considered a 'multicultural' success. Let me tell you that 'multiculturalism' is a FAILURE, it only empowers those who hate us, and wish to take advantage of our benevolence (read: 'obstinate idiocy' by Western immigration).
We've seen time and again, that the 'moderates' of islam have largely failed the western communities (whose laws protect their lives and gave these 'guests' a safe place to live), with regards to denouncing the radical terrorists. It took far too long for the moderates to denounce the attacks, and recent studies have suggested that many of the mosques inside of the United States were allowing radicals to attend and sermonize.
Even if there is such a thing as a 'moderate' Islam, it is of no avail to the West. Moderate muslim communities within the West act as a hub to which extremists gravitate. Let us suppose you could extinguish all radical elements in any respective Western country, as long as the moderates still exist, in time the 'weeds would grow again'. Furthermore, we have no way of knowing what is inside of a people's 'secret heart', and what they truly intend towards those who do not believe what they do. That is one of the dangers of multiculturalism, it assumes that these permanent visitors actually value our way of life, and want to take part. Multiculturalism is a destructive/divisive policy for the any Western nation implementing it. And that's the problem. Once you let people into your nation, try and see how easy it is to get them out, if they prove to be violent/dangerous people. It then becomes the problem of our children, and I for one do not wish to leave such a legacy.
If you invited a rude/violent person into your house for tea, and they carried on like a savage you would tell them to get out. If the rude/violent person continued such behavior after you had asked them politely, you would say 'get out, or else'. But here's the kicker: Western politicians are largely to blame for inviting such people into our 'house'. Okay, so the politicans messed up, and we allowed them, but that does not mean that a problem cannot, and should not be corrected. Indeed, we are obliged to do so if there is anything we love and value about our free nations.
Not only are far more stringent immigration policies integral to national safety, but also implementing (i.e. implementation not 'serious consideration' which is political for 'do nothing while appearing to deal with the problem') deportation on a large scale. As has already been seen, islam won't even have to fire a shot to conquer Europe, therefore, the logical, and as far as I can see the only solution is to get them out. All the West ought to understand that we cannot be the police force of the whole world. Yes we should deplore evil wherever it arises, but that does not mean that our sons should be the ones who go off and die while trying to provide others with freedom ('others' who do not seem inclined to fight for themselves in their own lands, better yet immigrate to some foolish western democracy and live there enjoying the freedoms that our forefathers built while dismantling it from within, until our nations resemble their miserable lands), or that our daughters/sisters/mothers should be harmed ( my heart goes out to that Danish girl and any women, who have their faces smashed in and used solely as an object to sate lustful/violence) by such a folk.
Anybody, within the public eye, who says that islam is nothing to be feared is dangerous, and if western officials refuse to take the hardline against such people, then can they really be surprised when another ugly beast, the extreme right, rears it's ugly head?
The answer is no. There could be no surprise in such an eventuality. Now I have always considered myself a peaceful/rational person, but when confronted with such colossal foolishness and hypocrisy, it is actually quite within human nature to want to seek revenge/justice, and have one's views change with the changing environment. It is not prejudice to acknowledge that a certain group behaves a certain way, it is not racist to be selective about who you allow into your country, it's merely common sense.
My own personal belief is that nothing will be done until it's too late, then as in many such cases in history where two imcompatible beliefs collide, there will be a blood price ( remember our legacy to our children?). There simply just is not enough pressure on the politicians who desperately cling to anachronistic ideas such as multiculturalism, to the detriment of all peace-loving Westerners, to be sure, islam's greatest weapon is our apathy. Until the West jettisons out-moded immigration policies and gains the courage to face it's own dangerous hypocrisy, and to take the exreme and necessary step of enforced large scale deportation, then the islamization of the West is a foregone conclusion.
I would like to leave you with the words of Winston Churchill, in referring to the militarization of Nazi Germany- \ by our own un-wisdom, did we allow the enemy to rearm\, perhaps such words should be fully considered in our lands if we would keep them.
Submitted by R_not (not verified) on Mon, 09/28/2009 - 07:34.
It is why I joined Act! for America. I also have joined the SIOA organization. But for now, Act! is in my area and I can do things.
People need to wake up and we need to get them out of our schools!! The MSA is a muslim brotherhood organization, as are ALL muslim organizations. And that is political islam. And our politicians think they are 'cool' when they have dinner with them at the end of Ramadan. It is disgusting.
THINGS WE CAN DO!
1. Find all islamic centers, mosques, madrassas in your area by going to this website - www.islamicfinder.org/ - and entering your zip code. Then go to your City Hall and find the deed of who owns that property/building. Write the name down - if it is Saudi owned then turn it into the FBI. www.FBI.gov
2. Go to Middle Eastern Classes in your local colleges (if you are a senior citizen you get discounts) and make sure they are telling the truth about islam, and anything else they teach. If not, turn them in complain to the school administration. The young cannot afford to always do this because they need their grades.
3. Join Act! for America. Sign up and get their Action Alerts and follow them. Join a group close to you!!
4. Show people videos such as Geert's 'Fitna'. Sneak them in when you are going to watch a movie with friends, or before a sports event on TV. Show short ones to grab the attention and then at least start 'warming' people up to what is happening!!
5. Go to stopsharianow.org and read on Sharia finance and pass that info around.
6. BOYCOTT ALL movies and TV shows, and news too, that show us Americans in a bad light just because they are in major appeasement mode with Islam. For example, movies that show Christians, or Jews, or Hindus, or Buddhists, etc as the terrorists instead of who the real terrorists are. Over 50,000 terrorist acts have been done in the name of Islam since the 1970s, and over 14,124 Islamic terrorist acts since 9/11.
People make a difference and we can say NO to creeping sharia. Act! has a lobbyist working for us too, and we are working towards getting enough money/people so as to have an infomerical. We need donations. Brigitte is working with some people such as Ross Perot, Troy Aikman, Robert Duvall, Gary Senise, Rick Schroeder are a few famous people that Brigitte has been talking with and have money to donate so we can work on an infomerical. But, we need the biggest voice in Washington, and all of this takes money.
So, WE CAN DO SOMETHING and remember that if we just sit back and bury our heads in the sand our kids will be the ones to pay for that.
Submitted by Kokamal (not verified) on Mon, 09/28/2009 - 14:38.
Muslims rue why we hate them.
We hate them for their Islam. By standing solidly in support of Islam, Muslims have made themselves subject of ridicule, hate and totally intolerable in our neighborhood. Muslims should not be allowed enter non-Islamic countries to enjoy the fruits of liberal civilizations with their Islam intact.
If anyone embraces Islam, he/she should be treated as enemy of humanity and be deprived of every civilian rights even in the face of their misplaced accusation of discrimination on religious grounds.
If one leaves Islam, one should be welcomed with open arms.
Submitted by Demsci (not verified) on Mon, 09/28/2009 - 19:10.
Very true Kokamal, we do not hate Muslims, only Islam, and maybe only a part of it. We are very glad with ex-Muslims, who are precious to us because they mostly embrace our enlightenment-values. So naturally we prefer them a lot over the Muslims, who at times can be so anti-Western, anti-Israel, so indifferent about the crimes against humanity by other Muslims.
But I differ from you in the best treatment of Muslims. I think we should target Iran, Saudi Arabia (as much as oil-dependency let’s us), and all other dictatorial regimes in Islamic countries. For although they are not overly Islamic themselves they stifle freedom of speech and this is heavily to the advantage of Islam, which gets to spread a constant stream of propaganda, into the world, to the mosques, into the mind of little children.
And we should let the Muslims in Democratic countries know that we expect them to choose for democracy worldwide, as they themselves profit from democracy here. As the big worldwide question now is: Will Islam eat up Democracy or will Democracy eat up Islam? In the first case Democracy will disappear, but in the second case Islam can still be fully observed. So ultimately it is a matter of survival of democracy, but not of Islam.
Muslims can be allowed to be neutral, but no longer overtly or covertly on the side of the theocrats, dictators of this world. We should hold the Western Muslims accountable in this respect, so that they can pressure and persuade the Muslims in Islamic countries to come over to the side of Democracy. And it may be in the long run, with much education first, but it is the intention that counts.
After which we; America, Europe, India, Canada, Australie, can offer all Muslims plenty of common goals to strive for, like prosperity worldwide, and plenty of common enemies to fight, like organized crime, or maybe North Korea, Birma etc. Or competing with still unfree Russia or China maybe.
Submitted by sorry to scared (not verified) on Tue, 09/29/2009 - 15:01.
I love this man Geert Wilders, this man speaks the truth and only the truth. The EU politicans has sold Europe long time ago. They the politicans somehow miss the point that Islam is in Europe to conquor and not intregrate.
There will come a time, when the EU people will no longer take the bull-crap from Muslims, only muslims are the animanls, on other religion is as vile as islam. The EU people will hold these politicans and responsible and will be shot just like the nazis were and stopping immigration from muslims countries and slowing sent the muslims back to where they came from.
Islam is a vile religion, no religion on earth is as vile as islam.
Submitted by Kokamal (not verified) on Wed, 09/30/2009 - 19:57.
Demsci
I can understand your disagreement with me. The point is Islam tells Muslims that "written Islam is what real Islam is and rest is hearsay; and believers [of Mohammad] need not consult or pay heed to what another person [even if he is a Muslim] says about Islam." Human interaction is totally rejected in so far as "knowing" the deen-e-Islam [faith of Islam] is concerned. The message is crisp, clear and without ambiguity.
Geert had shown this in a short documentary of under 16 minute duration.
You think authoritarian regimes like that of KSA are responsible for the condition of Muslims. Its pertinently wrong! The dictatorial regimes are better than democracies in those countries. You may not like Saddam Hussain, but can you give one example of Islamic terror OR the terror of Islam under Saddam's rule?
In such a scenario, a revolution from within Islam for rejection thereof is only hope. Changing Islam is not possible -- Ali Sina has made it abundantly clear in his various articles. And I agree with him.
Hence, Muslims have no place in civilized world.
You can't help a person or a community which doesn't want it or acknowledges it as given by kuffar.. Muslims attribute receiving of such a help as merciful Allah's blessing.
Submitted by Demsci (not verified) on Fri, 10/02/2009 - 07:33.
Hi Kokamal,
About Saddam Hussein and dictators in the Islamic world. Saddam did support the Palestinians very much didn't he? But the main problem with these dictators is that they often succeed to "kill/ silence" disable all opposition except one opposition, the one preached in the mosques. So they still do us more harm than good. And what if the Islamists come to power? then they have to perform like any other government, they will fail and have to give up, to better democratic parties, or, in the case of Iran, they will become hated, Islam will become hated, and lose many followers. No, bring it on, democracy, bring it on Islamic parties to power!
The shah also was one of those dictators that had silenced, disabled much of ordinary good opposition, but he could not disable his Islamic opponents, so they had a big headstart in the revolution of 1979.
Submitted by Kokamal (not verified) on Fri, 10/02/2009 - 15:33.
Demsci
In Saddam's Iraq, was there -
1. any fatwah?
2. any beheading?
3. any compulsion of wearing hijab?
4. any lashing?
5. any killing by stoning?
6. any persecution on religious ground?
7. any Al Qaeda or Taliban or support thereto?
Palestine was not an Islamic issue.
Democracy works where citizens are not faith-driven zombies but well aware and watchful.
Submitted by Demsci (not verified) on Sat, 10/03/2009 - 18:27.
Hey, Kokamal,
Of course you are right about that.
But here it is: Are you ABI or something like a "Democratic Imperialist"? Or a "51 %-Imperialist"? It means that you prefer the democratic system over all other systems to organise society. Which means that you want to see 51 % of the people, or more, in power. Of course, that is impossible to really achieve, but you want to approach this as best you can. And you are patient and know that it needs a lot of education and other work.
Submitted by Kokamal (not verified) on Sat, 10/03/2009 - 22:37.
Demsci
I like that ........... ABI ! hehe
However, in Islam no liberties, no freedoms, no elections, no legislation, no debates, just nothing except the Arabic cult of 7th Circa CE!
Education doesn't help, awareness does. They teach Darwin's theory of evolution but end it by EDUCATING students with "since we are Muslims, we believe we come from Adam and Eve!
Submitted by Rowland (not verified) on Sun, 10/04/2009 - 01:53.
Is it really about islam I wonder? After all that I 've read or seen through the media, I sometimes wonder whether islam has anything to do with the muslims who claim their violence is in the defense of islam. Perhaps claiming protection of islam as their defense, is just a convenient cover to assign a 'cause' to their violence. Perhaps, in the eyes of such brutal and ignorant folk, identifying their actions with a major religion makes it more palatable, and less subject to critical investigation, I do not know for certain.
One thing I am aware of, is that nowhere in the world where the word of the prophet holds sway, are those countries pleasant places to live. In such countries, life is brutal & cheap, and vengeful/gratuitous killing is common place. Furthermore, this has been the way of such countries well before islam ever arose. Obviously, from a historical perspective, the same could be said of Christian nations. So what happened along the way that allowed the West to advance, but for one reason or another, caused a stagnation of social/economic evolution within the world of islam. In short- evolution. Our collective psyche in the West changed with the times, and that of islam largely did not. islamic countries are patriarchical, and were before islam. The lot of women was not good even before the rise of the prophet. Sons have been valued over daughters in such lands, long before allah singled out mohammed as his mouthpiece.
Human behaviour is determined, in large part, by environment. In other words, if you come from a 'nice' place you are probably far more apt to get along with your fellow man. But if you come from an environment of fear, hatred, mistrust and pain, then it is small wonder when such folk do come to our lands they behave like the animals they are, (i.e. I exclude those foreigners, moslem or otherwise, who truly take the West to their hearts and wish to really be a valuable part of our societies). I do not refer these people as such to be malicious or hurtful, I merely use the appropriate adjective to describe a preceived behaviour.
How they came to be so is of less importance than the simple fact that they are. Perhaps being an animal (i.e. 'being' an animal, not simply behaving like one), is what is necessary in their home countries in order to maintain oneself in a violent society. Be that as it may, it is nigh on impossible to integrate such folk, even if for a moment we disregard the fact that they don't wish to be integrated. If you are traumatized by violence over the long-term, you can fully expect to become socio-pathic, (e.g. violence is commonplace, so a desensitization in violence towards others is 'natural'). Such people desperately need screening to see if they even can fit in our lands, and even if they can, phsychiatric couseling would be a must.
The bottom line is that trying to make someone 'fit' who will not is an uphill battle doomed to failure. I am minded, if you will pardon my indulgence, of the metaphor of a child hammering the 'wrong' piece into the hole of a toy meant to teach children their basic shapes. The politicians are the 'children', the 'mis-matched' pieces: islamists and/or other violent 'immigrants' and the lack of any realistic immigration policy illustrated by forcing the incorrect shapes into the wrong 'holes'. Does anyone here believe that our present immigration misfortunes would have happened had our political elite shared in the common weal?
The looming 'baby-boomer' issue, to borrow the term, has blinded these elites to the associated problems of these immigrants deeming them necessary to counter aging populations, quite simply because they and those that 'matter' don't live anywhere near and are not affected by such problems. The only way the situation will change, is if rational, peaceful folk make these political issues that can not be avoided by governments. I would far rather deal with the negative effects of too old a population demographic, than of having to deal with a violent fracticious society. Once we have a more of a 'protectionist' immigration policy, then we can start to deal with those who are here who should not be. In fact I see no reason why the two polices could not be enacted concurrently.
It might be an old article, but I recently learned that in England Christians graves have been bulldozed on the property of a church that has incidently been converted into a muslim youth centre. How long will sensible folk sleep, how long will we remain timid, how long shall we fear in our own homes? The answer, I believe, is when they conquer us, or far better, when we remember what our forbears had to do to create
our homes.
Faithfreedom.org echoes the voice of ex-Muslims who want to stop the spread of Islam, expose its violent nature, and help Muslims to understand it and leave it. We believe in the oneness of humanity and oppose Islam for inciting hatred against non Muslims. Muhammad instructed his follower to conquer the world by the sword and to rule it with terror. We are determined to not let that happen.
Bravo Geert Wilders! It's
Bravo Geert Wilders!
It's now time to stop discussing about the threat of Islam and act, we are already at an incredible disadvantage by having such large immigration populations within our borders acheiving their aims while liberalists who want to (foolishly), be everybody's friend, dull our vigilance with multiculturalist 'pap'. As a Canadian, I have noticed that up until quite recently, Canada was largely considered a 'multicultural' success. Let me tell you that 'multiculturalism' is a FAILURE, it only empowers those who hate us, and wish to take advantage of our benevolence (read: 'obstinate idiocy' by Western immigration).
We've seen time and again, that the 'moderates' of islam have largely failed the western communities (whose laws protect their lives and gave these 'guests' a safe place to live), with regards to denouncing the radical terrorists. It took far too long for the moderates to denounce the attacks, and recent studies have suggested that many of the mosques inside of the United States were allowing radicals to attend and sermonize.
Even if there is such a thing as a 'moderate' Islam, it is of no avail to the West. Moderate muslim communities within the West act as a hub to which extremists gravitate. Let us suppose you could extinguish all radical elements in any respective Western country, as long as the moderates still exist, in time the 'weeds would grow again'. Furthermore, we have no way of knowing what is inside of a people's 'secret heart', and what they truly intend towards those who do not believe what they do. That is one of the dangers of multiculturalism, it assumes that these permanent visitors actually value our way of life, and want to take part. Multiculturalism is a destructive/divisive policy for the any Western nation implementing it. And that's the problem. Once you let people into your nation, try and see how easy it is to get them out, if they prove to be violent/dangerous people. It then becomes the problem of our children, and I for one do not wish to leave such a legacy.
If you invited a rude/violent person into your house for tea, and they carried on like a savage you would tell them to get out. If the rude/violent person continued such behavior after you had asked them politely, you would say 'get out, or else'. But here's the kicker: Western politicians are largely to blame for inviting such people into our 'house'. Okay, so the politicans messed up, and we allowed them, but that does not mean that a problem cannot, and should not be corrected. Indeed, we are obliged to do so if there is anything we love and value about our free nations.
Not only are far more stringent immigration policies integral to national safety, but also implementing (i.e. implementation not 'serious consideration' which is political for 'do nothing while appearing to deal with the problem') deportation on a large scale. As has already been seen, islam won't even have to fire a shot to conquer Europe, therefore, the logical, and as far as I can see the only solution is to get them out. All the West ought to understand that we cannot be the police force of the whole world. Yes we should deplore evil wherever it arises, but that does not mean that our sons should be the ones who go off and die while trying to provide others with freedom ('others' who do not seem inclined to fight for themselves in their own lands, better yet immigrate to some foolish western democracy and live there enjoying the freedoms that our forefathers built while dismantling it from within, until our nations resemble their miserable lands), or that our daughters/sisters/mothers should be harmed ( my heart goes out to that Danish girl and any women, who have their faces smashed in and used solely as an object to sate lustful/violence) by such a folk.
Anybody, within the public eye, who says that islam is nothing to be feared is dangerous, and if western officials refuse to take the hardline against such people, then can they really be surprised when another ugly beast, the extreme right, rears it's ugly head?
The answer is no. There could be no surprise in such an eventuality. Now I have always considered myself a peaceful/rational person, but when confronted with such colossal foolishness and hypocrisy, it is actually quite within human nature to want to seek revenge/justice, and have one's views change with the changing environment. It is not prejudice to acknowledge that a certain group behaves a certain way, it is not racist to be selective about who you allow into your country, it's merely common sense.
My own personal belief is that nothing will be done until it's too late, then as in many such cases in history where two imcompatible beliefs collide, there will be a blood price ( remember our legacy to our children?). There simply just is not enough pressure on the politicians who desperately cling to anachronistic ideas such as multiculturalism, to the detriment of all peace-loving Westerners, to be sure, islam's greatest weapon is our apathy. Until the West jettisons out-moded immigration policies and gains the courage to face it's own dangerous hypocrisy, and to take the exreme and necessary step of enforced large scale deportation, then the islamization of the West is a foregone conclusion.
I would like to leave you with the words of Winston Churchill, in referring to the militarization of Nazi Germany- \ by our own un-wisdom, did we allow the enemy to rearm\, perhaps such words should be fully considered in our lands if we would keep them.
thank you,
Rowland
It is why I joined Act! for
It is why I joined Act! for America. I also have joined the SIOA organization. But for now, Act! is in my area and I can do things.
People need to wake up and we need to get them out of our schools!! The MSA is a muslim brotherhood organization, as are ALL muslim organizations. And that is political islam. And our politicians think they are 'cool' when they have dinner with them at the end of Ramadan. It is disgusting.
THINGS WE CAN DO!
1. Find all islamic centers, mosques, madrassas in your area by going to this website - www.islamicfinder.org/ - and entering your zip code. Then go to your City Hall and find the deed of who owns that property/building. Write the name down - if it is Saudi owned then turn it into the FBI. www.FBI.gov
2. Go to Middle Eastern Classes in your local colleges (if you are a senior citizen you get discounts) and make sure they are telling the truth about islam, and anything else they teach. If not, turn them in complain to the school administration. The young cannot afford to always do this because they need their grades.
3. Join Act! for America. Sign up and get their Action Alerts and follow them. Join a group close to you!!
4. Show people videos such as Geert's 'Fitna'. Sneak them in when you are going to watch a movie with friends, or before a sports event on TV. Show short ones to grab the attention and then at least start 'warming' people up to what is happening!!
5. Go to stopsharianow.org and read on Sharia finance and pass that info around.
6. BOYCOTT ALL movies and TV shows, and news too, that show us Americans in a bad light just because they are in major appeasement mode with Islam. For example, movies that show Christians, or Jews, or Hindus, or Buddhists, etc as the terrorists instead of who the real terrorists are. Over 50,000 terrorist acts have been done in the name of Islam since the 1970s, and over 14,124 Islamic terrorist acts since 9/11.
People make a difference and we can say NO to creeping sharia. Act! has a lobbyist working for us too, and we are working towards getting enough money/people so as to have an infomerical. We need donations. Brigitte is working with some people such as Ross Perot, Troy Aikman, Robert Duvall, Gary Senise, Rick Schroeder are a few famous people that Brigitte has been talking with and have money to donate so we can work on an infomerical. But, we need the biggest voice in Washington, and all of this takes money.
So, WE CAN DO SOMETHING and remember that if we just sit back and bury our heads in the sand our kids will be the ones to pay for that.
Muslims rue why we hate
Muslims rue why we hate them.
We hate them for their Islam. By standing solidly in support of Islam, Muslims have made themselves subject of ridicule, hate and totally intolerable in our neighborhood. Muslims should not be allowed enter non-Islamic countries to enjoy the fruits of liberal civilizations with their Islam intact.
If anyone embraces Islam, he/she should be treated as enemy of humanity and be deprived of every civilian rights even in the face of their misplaced accusation of discrimination on religious grounds.
If one leaves Islam, one should be welcomed with open arms.
That's the only way to deal with Islam.
Very true Kokamal, we do not
Very true Kokamal, we do not hate Muslims, only Islam, and maybe only a part of it. We are very glad with ex-Muslims, who are precious to us because they mostly embrace our enlightenment-values. So naturally we prefer them a lot over the Muslims, who at times can be so anti-Western, anti-Israel, so indifferent about the crimes against humanity by other Muslims.
But I differ from you in the best treatment of Muslims. I think we should target Iran, Saudi Arabia (as much as oil-dependency let’s us), and all other dictatorial regimes in Islamic countries. For although they are not overly Islamic themselves they stifle freedom of speech and this is heavily to the advantage of Islam, which gets to spread a constant stream of propaganda, into the world, to the mosques, into the mind of little children.
And we should let the Muslims in Democratic countries know that we expect them to choose for democracy worldwide, as they themselves profit from democracy here. As the big worldwide question now is: Will Islam eat up Democracy or will Democracy eat up Islam? In the first case Democracy will disappear, but in the second case Islam can still be fully observed. So ultimately it is a matter of survival of democracy, but not of Islam.
Muslims can be allowed to be neutral, but no longer overtly or covertly on the side of the theocrats, dictators of this world. We should hold the Western Muslims accountable in this respect, so that they can pressure and persuade the Muslims in Islamic countries to come over to the side of Democracy. And it may be in the long run, with much education first, but it is the intention that counts.
After which we; America, Europe, India, Canada, Australie, can offer all Muslims plenty of common goals to strive for, like prosperity worldwide, and plenty of common enemies to fight, like organized crime, or maybe North Korea, Birma etc. Or competing with still unfree Russia or China maybe.
I love this man Geert
I love this man Geert Wilders, this man speaks the truth and only the truth. The EU politicans has sold Europe long time ago. They the politicans somehow miss the point that Islam is in Europe to conquor and not intregrate.
There will come a time, when the EU people will no longer take the bull-crap from Muslims, only muslims are the animanls, on other religion is as vile as islam. The EU people will hold these politicans and responsible and will be shot just like the nazis were and stopping immigration from muslims countries and slowing sent the muslims back to where they came from.
Islam is a vile religion, no religion on earth is as vile as islam.
Islam must be stopped from
Islam must be stopped from spreading, for the sake of humanity and all peace loving people on this earth.
Demsci I can understand your
Demsci
I can understand your disagreement with me. The point is Islam tells Muslims that "written Islam is what real Islam is and rest is hearsay; and believers [of Mohammad] need not consult or pay heed to what another person [even if he is a Muslim] says about Islam." Human interaction is totally rejected in so far as "knowing" the deen-e-Islam [faith of Islam] is concerned. The message is crisp, clear and without ambiguity.
Geert had shown this in a short documentary of under 16 minute duration.
You think authoritarian regimes like that of KSA are responsible for the condition of Muslims. Its pertinently wrong! The dictatorial regimes are better than democracies in those countries. You may not like Saddam Hussain, but can you give one example of Islamic terror OR the terror of Islam under Saddam's rule?
In such a scenario, a revolution from within Islam for rejection thereof is only hope. Changing Islam is not possible -- Ali Sina has made it abundantly clear in his various articles. And I agree with him.
Hence, Muslims have no place in civilized world.
You can't help a person or a community which doesn't want it or acknowledges it as given by kuffar.. Muslims attribute receiving of such a help as merciful Allah's blessing.
Hi Kokamal, About Saddam
Hi Kokamal,
About Saddam Hussein and dictators in the Islamic world. Saddam did support the Palestinians very much didn't he? But the main problem with these dictators is that they often succeed to "kill/ silence" disable all opposition except one opposition, the one preached in the mosques. So they still do us more harm than good. And what if the Islamists come to power? then they have to perform like any other government, they will fail and have to give up, to better democratic parties, or, in the case of Iran, they will become hated, Islam will become hated, and lose many followers. No, bring it on, democracy, bring it on Islamic parties to power!
The shah also was one of those dictators that had silenced, disabled much of ordinary good opposition, but he could not disable his Islamic opponents, so they had a big headstart in the revolution of 1979.
Demsci In Saddam's Iraq, was
Demsci
In Saddam's Iraq, was there -
1. any fatwah?
2. any beheading?
3. any compulsion of wearing hijab?
4. any lashing?
5. any killing by stoning?
6. any persecution on religious ground?
7. any Al Qaeda or Taliban or support thereto?
Palestine was not an Islamic issue.
Democracy works where citizens are not faith-driven zombies but well aware and watchful.
Hey, Kokamal, Of course you
Hey, Kokamal,
Of course you are right about that.
But here it is: Are you ABI or something like a "Democratic Imperialist"? Or a "51 %-Imperialist"? It means that you prefer the democratic system over all other systems to organise society. Which means that you want to see 51 % of the people, or more, in power. Of course, that is impossible to really achieve, but you want to approach this as best you can. And you are patient and know that it needs a lot of education and other work.
ABI just means Anything But Islam.
Demsci I like that
Demsci
I like that ........... ABI ! hehe
However, in Islam no liberties, no freedoms, no elections, no legislation, no debates, just nothing except the Arabic cult of 7th Circa CE!
Education doesn't help, awareness does. They teach Darwin's theory of evolution but end it by EDUCATING students with "since we are Muslims, we believe we come from Adam and Eve!
Howzzat?
Is it really about islam I
Is it really about islam I wonder? After all that I 've read or seen through the media, I sometimes wonder whether islam has anything to do with the muslims who claim their violence is in the defense of islam. Perhaps claiming protection of islam as their defense, is just a convenient cover to assign a 'cause' to their violence. Perhaps, in the eyes of such brutal and ignorant folk, identifying their actions with a major religion makes it more palatable, and less subject to critical investigation, I do not know for certain.
One thing I am aware of, is that nowhere in the world where the word of the prophet holds sway, are those countries pleasant places to live. In such countries, life is brutal & cheap, and vengeful/gratuitous killing is common place. Furthermore, this has been the way of such countries well before islam ever arose. Obviously, from a historical perspective, the same could be said of Christian nations. So what happened along the way that allowed the West to advance, but for one reason or another, caused a stagnation of social/economic evolution within the world of islam. In short- evolution. Our collective psyche in the West changed with the times, and that of islam largely did not. islamic countries are patriarchical, and were before islam. The lot of women was not good even before the rise of the prophet. Sons have been valued over daughters in such lands, long before allah singled out mohammed as his mouthpiece.
Human behaviour is determined, in large part, by environment. In other words, if you come from a 'nice' place you are probably far more apt to get along with your fellow man. But if you come from an environment of fear, hatred, mistrust and pain, then it is small wonder when such folk do come to our lands they behave like the animals they are, (i.e. I exclude those foreigners, moslem or otherwise, who truly take the West to their hearts and wish to really be a valuable part of our societies). I do not refer these people as such to be malicious or hurtful, I merely use the appropriate adjective to describe a preceived behaviour.
How they came to be so is of less importance than the simple fact that they are. Perhaps being an animal (i.e. 'being' an animal, not simply behaving like one), is what is necessary in their home countries in order to maintain oneself in a violent society. Be that as it may, it is nigh on impossible to integrate such folk, even if for a moment we disregard the fact that they don't wish to be integrated. If you are traumatized by violence over the long-term, you can fully expect to become socio-pathic, (e.g. violence is commonplace, so a desensitization in violence towards others is 'natural'). Such people desperately need screening to see if they even can fit in our lands, and even if they can, phsychiatric couseling would be a must.
The bottom line is that trying to make someone 'fit' who will not is an uphill battle doomed to failure. I am minded, if you will pardon my indulgence, of the metaphor of a child hammering the 'wrong' piece into the hole of a toy meant to teach children their basic shapes. The politicians are the 'children', the 'mis-matched' pieces: islamists and/or other violent 'immigrants' and the lack of any realistic immigration policy illustrated by forcing the incorrect shapes into the wrong 'holes'. Does anyone here believe that our present immigration misfortunes would have happened had our political elite shared in the common weal?
The looming 'baby-boomer' issue, to borrow the term, has blinded these elites to the associated problems of these immigrants deeming them necessary to counter aging populations, quite simply because they and those that 'matter' don't live anywhere near and are not affected by such problems. The only way the situation will change, is if rational, peaceful folk make these political issues that can not be avoided by governments. I would far rather deal with the negative effects of too old a population demographic, than of having to deal with a violent fracticious society. Once we have a more of a 'protectionist' immigration policy, then we can start to deal with those who are here who should not be. In fact I see no reason why the two polices could not be enacted concurrently.
It might be an old article, but I recently learned that in England Christians graves have been bulldozed on the property of a church that has incidently been converted into a muslim youth centre. How long will sensible folk sleep, how long will we remain timid, how long shall we fear in our own homes? The answer, I believe, is when they conquer us, or far better, when we remember what our forbears had to do to create
our homes.
Thank you
Rowland