Finding the Courage
Submitted by A on Thu, 04/02/2009 - 06:02
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PDF versionDear Ali Sina and readers,
Hey, guys! It has taken me a while to write, but I'm finally sending in my story. I found FFI over a year ago and was astonished at all the facts and stories I have read about Islam. I've been debating as to whether or not I should send in my story. It takes time to find the courage, but thanks to all the articles I've read, the stories of other X-Muslims, the support of family and friends and now you guys, the courage has been found....a big thanks to all of you ahead of time.
Well, my story begins probably like that of many westerners. I came from a Christian background. I went to church and considered myself to be an "ok" Christian. I believed in God and his sacrifice to save us....although I was by no means perfect.
When I began attending university, I began to discover that there were/are some truths indeed to other religions, beliefs and ways of life. I learned more through classes I took and friends I made. So, I began to explore. I was particularly fond of a mix between Wiccan and Buddhism. I bought Buddhas, attempted to meditate, saw more beauty in nature, etc. I even had (and I miss it) a Tibetan singing bowl which believe it or not, helped calm my nerves at times.
I even began exploring Islam, but I never wanted to convert, even though at the time, I had a high respect for it. I grew tired of Palestinians getting treated the way they did when all they wanted was their land back. I talked to a few Muslims and I sympathized with them. However, I was a young college student who was growing tired of narrow-minded westerners (Americans especially) so I didn't even bother to look into how complex the situation between Israel and Palestine really was. I was tired of the racial discrimination within Christianity and all the hypocrites within the religion. I believed in God and was certain of the sacrifice Jesus made, but I didn't believe that there was harm in other religions. I thought the Muslims were fighting for their rights like everyone else....yeah, they were fighting alright!
Shortly after graduating college, I met a charming, sweet good looking guy. He was a Muslim (an Arab). We got to know each other fairly quickly (well, I thought I knew him). I had seen the movie "Not Without My Daughter" so of course I had a lot of questions for him, including the one about hitting women. He replied by saying, "Only cowards hit women." I was impressed by how intelligent he was and how open he seemed to be. We were engaged pretty fast and about a month after the engagement, we were married. My parents were not too happy. They knew Muslim men had a tendency to be dangerous and they were afraid for me. Looking back, I know I would have done the same thing.
He ended up losing his job and we talked about the possibility of moving to his home country. He had been applying for a while. Finally, we decided to move. He moved about 4 months before me because he wanted time enough to find a job and an apartment. During that time, I began to practice Islam. It was hard because he left and I didn't really have any Muslim friends, but I did what I could.
Before we got married, he was pretty open. After we got married...well, that became a different story. I didn't notice it much at first because the change was a gradual process. During the time he was gone and I was still here, he started telling me not to go out with certain friends/family. He wanted me to email him anytime I left the house and when I returned...he said he just wanted to make sure I got home safe without having to call internationally all the time. I really didn't think much of that, but when he started telling me not to go out....I did begin to wonder....I thought....well, it is just with female friends, but maybe being so far away he is just a little insecure....ok, I can relate, I thought.
Well, I finally moved. When I got there, everything was new and exciting and I was ready to take on my new life in a new country and practice the religion I knew was "THE one!" My family tried to convince me to take things slow. I lived in an Islamic country where by law, I didn't have to where hajabb, but my husband wanted me to and I felt I was ready.
Two weeks had not passed by and I started to see his true colors come out. He began to get upset and talk about my friends back home. He ridiculed me all the time for things I used to do. I asked him how he could do that when after converting to Islam, you're forgiven of all that immoral conduct. He didn't care. He started calling me a whore, useless slut, bitch...you name it. I was so shocked. When I reminded him that he wasn't always the perfect Muslim...of course there was always reasoning and justification for him. One night, he was arguing with me about my friends and I was about to go to sleep when he said....I'm going to treat you like my little whore from now on cuz that is all you'll ever be. I never thought there could be rape within a marriage, but he proved me wrong that night.
After that, the physical abuse began....slapping, kicking, pulling hair...dragging me from one room to the next.
I became pregnant and believe me, I was terrified....I didn't want his baby because he talked about never going back to the U.S. and that scared me more than anything. I know I could have gone to the embassy, but I was too frightened! I tried to leave, but the only way they were going to allow me to leave was if I agreed to have an abortion. As selfish as it may sound, I gave the matter some thought cuz I couldn't stand him anymore. He was never happy and when he was, I was always wondering when his mood would change. I prayed God would just take the baby before it was brought into such a cruel world. Of course I ended up staying for the baby's sake...something would not allow me to go through with an abortion...even if it was his.
I began to detest Islam..I would give the finger to the mosque whenever I heard the Adhan. I spat at it as well. Of course I didn't do this in public or in front of my husband, but my faith in Christ increased. I prayed constantly that God would get me and my baby out of there. One day when my husband began talking about moving back home, I knew God was listening.
But it took a long time for my prayers to be answered. We were there for almost three years. During that time, I tried to keep the peace by once again becoming more open to Islam. I began to listen to lectures, readings and such in English. We finally moved back to the States. I began to take some Islamic classes at one of the mosques, but the abuse continued. The only good thing that seemed to take place was that shortly after our return, he found a job. But he really didn't want me to work, even though I had a college degree and was perfectly capable of doing so. He just didn't want me out of the house among other westerners. He was afraid I would take off with the baby (well, not really a baby by this time). But he was wrong. I stayed at home, grew tired of his bullshit and left. The last straw was when he hit me repeatedly in front of our child. When he left for work the next day, I headed home back to my family and have been here since.
I began to have some health problems before I left. I was not eating much because anytime he saw me eat he would always call me a pig. I was less than 110 lb. yeah, I was really a pig. I was tired all the time because our child could sense how dangerous he was and she never slept well, therefore, neither did I. I didn't have the energy for much and he continuously called me lazy and useless.
After I came home, it took me a while to gain my normal energy level back. It has taken even longer to get myself back on track emotionally. I had left him and Islam, but they had not left me. I remember the first Rhamadan I was home, I tried to fast out of respect, but I read another story similar to mine and decided that bottle of Coke looked good and began to drink it as if there was no tomorrow. I started researching more on Islam and was trying to see if there was any recent information on Betty Mahmoudi and that is when I found you guys. I stumbled upon a letter someone had written to Dr. Sina and my quest to seek the truth began there.
I consider myself a Christian because I believe in Christ and his sacrifice, but my spirit I feel is dead. I use the name Free Spirit not because that is what I feel I am at this point, but it is what I long to be, which is another reason I'm here. I am still searching for spirituality because there was a time I really felt I lived up to my name. I have had great support from family and friends and now you guys.....thank you!
Dr. Sina, I really appreciate the time you take to help others. You are indeed brave and I pray God will always keep you protected. Keep up the awesome job.
Krishna, I read many of your posts. A good month and a half before I started posting my own comments and that is why I commended you for the respect you try to show everyone. I have a tremendous amount of respect for you and thank you for all your help.
As for the other regulars....Marie, Pk, Pc, RH, BD, Ibrahim, etc...I've enjoyed your posts as well and look forward to more in the future.
Well, that is pretty much my story. My daughter and I are doing well. She is lively. Her teachers say she is an excellent student. I am now a teacher and am loving it!
I hope other women reading this will take my story into consideration, if they are thinking about converting to Islam and/or marrying a Muslim. This is a warning for you. Read the Koran, read the articles and stories on FFI. Don't be foolish and don’t make the same mistake I and so many other women (both western and eastern) have made. Don't allow a child to be brought into this world by a husband who won't even be a father other than simply to say he is. He will never love it as he should because Muslim fathers only (most I should say, not all) see their children as a duty by Allah and nothing more. Most Muslim men (strictly my opinion from my own personal experience...I didn't conduct a study) are incapable of love and feelings other than negativity. You'll never be seen as their wife, only their property and if you are a westerner, rest assure you are only their whore and that is how you'll be treated, maybe not at first, but give it some time - he'll come around to his true self.
Thanks guys....sorry this was so long....God bless each and every one of you.
Love,
Free Spirit
Congratulations Free Spirit
Congratulations Free Spirit and please remain as one for the rest of your life.
Only the truth shall set you free for eternity.
I felt very sad to hear your
I felt very sad to hear your story, Free Spirit. Your job is unfinished. You must look for non-Muslim women who are trying to marry Muslim men. Convey to them your story so that they do not face the same kind of trauma you have undergone in your life. If you love kaffir women, then please do it.
Ahh well done.But your job is
Ahh well done.But your job is half done.Be a real freee spirit.
Read what I have said about what this baboon convert will do soon.that's almost prophetic, what I have said.I do not like little boys or girls unlike the poop low day mohammad.Thanks for remembering me.I am glad what ever I have dribbled here has had some use!
Best wishes
and welcome to humanity
Dear Free spirit,
Dear Free spirit,
Welcome back & to humanity.!!!!!Dear when you are in love,nothing else matters.When you love a person you don't see his religion,bank balance,looks,etc.Like how it is difficult to explain about God,same is love.you feel it,could be explained in a million ways,But none are satisfactory.What i mean is that your love was genuine.Regarding your lover/husband,it would be wrong to comment.Anyway i will hypothese since our family had a similar problem.I will try to relate to your surrounding--
1)he has a christian girlfriend.He must have gloated to his friends.
2)If you are a white,it must have inflated his ego for having a white girl.
3)He married & converted you to islam.You were just his ticket to heaven.
4)He wanted you to be subordinate to him.YOU FINALLY REBELLED.He must have regretted marrying you.
Now coming to your married life.I have noticed one common factor in all muslims,more so arabs.THEY ARE INSECURE ABOUT THEIR WIVES.THEY FEEL SHE WILL SCREW SOME ONE BEHIND THEIR BACKS.THIS INSECURITY ALMOST BORDERS ON DELUSION--
1)they don't like friends coming home in their absence even to pass on a book,etc.
2)they lock their wives inside the house when they leave for work.I argued with a muslim.i asked him if there is a fire how will your wife come out.oh she has a extra key.then why do you lock the door from outside.no answer.
Being insecure is a part of muslim culture,nothing new.
Forget the muslims we can talk forever.I can feel you are more comfortable now after leaving the devil behind.Don't look back.you have a greater responsibility to look after your daughter.Be fincially independent.That is as important as leaving islam.Improve your career opportunities by acquiring new skills or degrees.Have a regular disciplined life & job,because you will be closely watched by your daughter who will see you as her role model in life.Make her, a future responsible citizen of a great country.
Finally don't let your Ex anywhere near your daughter.Don't get emotionally blackmailed to let him see her.If he goes legal make it a point to harass him. Report him to the police if he gets physical.Hire a rightist leaning layer to defend you.He will kick his butt for you.Take care.
All these stories must be
All these stories must be indexed under the title read before you convert to ISLAM.
I don't see AMIM any more has
I don't see AMIM any more has he converted or was killed in jihad and burning in hell fire.
Just thinking aloud. remeber
Just thinking aloud. remeber the skull photograph they put next to the No smoking sign and say smoking kills? Sorry I can not copy paste the skull sign here.
The same way every moslem, who believes in pedo rapist maha love day mohammad, should be marked.Danger,moslem can rape and kill! May be we should mark their forehead with this sign.
Dear PK, Why take the
Dear PK,
Why take the trouble.Forehead is already marked by banging the head 5 times daily x life time.Larger the patch Or darker the patch is directly proportional to "devotism say muslims, fanaticism say Kaffers.!!!
Ah free spirit, finally
Ah free spirit, finally you've sent in your story! It is really great and sad story. It is just like...huh...that a Prodigal Daughter (oops, son) story. Only that you did not mention the banquet your parents prepared for you after reverting back.
Free Spirit I am so happy for
Free Spirit
I am so happy for you. I have read of many life experiences like your, but they were not so lucky. Please write newspapers in your town and warn the other women what happens when they marry Mooslims. I know black women who converted to keep their men. Finally, they told the man to take Islam and shove it. Like you they didnt read. That is like a man saying I dont speak English and has a driver's license. Muslims cant have insurance, how can they drive legally.AIG has a Sharia Dept. Where is the Protestant DEpt or the Hindu section? I send articles to newspapers and sometimes they read and sometimes no. I keep trying. Hopefully some elite will become enlightened and personally they get beaten or beheaded and they will see the truth. Many American women aRE FIGHTING BACK. Some are weak, A Muslim lady cannot speak to me, after 20 years. As a human, I fed her and her 10 kids, and now she is not allowed to speak to me! When I see her I wave to keep her from getting her butt beaten. After a while I dont feel sorry for her. If she allows this, then I cannot become involved in husband and wife affairs, because then she will hate me. Sex is a powerful drug. The Bible said as Eve's punishment, Your cravings will be for your husband and he will dominate you, not for the good, but for the bad" as they both had lost perfection. Satan had become their God as with Islam.
Again, may I send this out to mosques in my town and newspapers.
Congratulation for getting
Congratulation for getting out out of the shitpot called islam and i wish you all the very best for your future. I do feel sorry for people like you but sometimes i wonder whether people like you deserve the treatment that you get from your muslim boyfriends/husbands because in this age of information, i fail to understand how people can be so naive as to trust people how worhip a pedophile and in whose name so many people get killed every other day.
At the same time, may i request you to bear in mind how easy it is for people to get into the shitpot called islam and therefore request you to do your utmost to prevent others who are ignorant of the dangers of islam. The day you prevent another girl like from falling prey to a muslim would be the day your spirit will feel free. trust me on that.
good luck and feel free to join the forums because it is a lively place hang out and discuss issues that you might find difficult to deal with
Hey, guys, Thank you all so
Hey, guys,
Thank you all so much! Again, like so many other x-Muslims, I appreciate the support!
Proudchristian,
You are right.....I didn't talk about the happiness of my family and friends when I returned....well, allow me to assure you they were extremely happy. I was never so happy to be back among my family and friends! I listen to a group called Barlowe girl and they sing a song relating to a girl who walked away...and it has the verse....Luke 15 v. 20 and 24.
Raja,
Yes, you make a good point.....all kaphirs read before converting.
Pk,
I realize my job is not done.....thank you for the reminder, my friend! :) Keep it up....it keeps me on my toes.
Krishna,
Well, the legal steps have already been taken, but I do appreciate your advice.
As for the other stuff you've written.....thank you. You are right.
Guys....here is my email I said I'd throw out there....please email me anytime....I'm a respectful person so I'd never pass out anyone's email without permission so you don't ever have to worry. Krishna and Pk, I'd especially like for you two to write due to the fact I have about a million questions for you guys and I don't want to get anyone off track by posting things off topic in dealing with the articles.
freespiritnluv@gmail.com
Raisinhead,
Thank you so much for your kind words. Again, I'm glad you are continuously educating both Muslim and non-Muslim alike. I remember in the movie "Ali?" (wasn't it...the one with Will Smith)....his first wife stated...."I converted to Islam for you!" So yes, many convert for the sake of the husbands while their hearts are definitely not in it. Email me if you have an address you don't mind me writing to to tell me some of your stories(email address, that is)...and let me think about your question....also, I have another comment on your article I am going to post, but I need to listen to something first before I write it....take care...all of you
Focused, Well, I see your
Focused,
Well, I see your point in why you'd say that, but most kaphir girls just don't expect it to happen......but 9 times out of 10, it does. I don't think anyone deserves to be mistreated, but I feel that kaphir girls should educate themselves before going on that evil journey. Should a kaphir marry a Muslim, it should be agreed they stay within the girl's country....if the potential husband does not want to....that should be warning #1 and she should leave his ass! But truthfully, kaphirs should not marry muslims in the first place.
As for the rest of you who wrote that I didn't mention.....I'm sorry and thank you, too for your support....you all have mine as well!
Well done free spirit , you
Well done free spirit , you took me back to my youth years
where i borne and gerw among those people BUT i run a way to another country to find out the future that i want . i am muslim i belive in gode i dont need a hard comand to
prove it i have no dought in my faith to my gode .
far from the country i had borne from the culture that insulte women for her simple mistake here i met the handsome one that i said yes this is the one ( he is not arabian ), and by the way he is an atheist never believe at all but he respect my faith to islam and how i used to see things more logical than to be fanatic as we all see
now i never questioned him why you dont believe . after 6 month freindship we get married .
and the same story happend with me as to you he started
to insult me later to hit and kick infront my children , close
friends , domestic servant . but i couldnt run a way again
and leave my children with him . i hope one day i can find
the courage that you had to be free.
Congratulations Free
Congratulations Free Spirit,
I am really happy for you. The fact is Women, infidels, Kafirs, etc. are third class citizens in Islam. I am even more happy for your little girl who will have a chance at life now. Congratulations, and God bless you.
Bless you Free Spirit All
Bless you Free Spirit
All the best to you and thanks for sharing your testimony.
Thank you all again!
Thank you all again!
Free spirit. Two thumps up
Free spirit.
Two thumps up to you for being an honest seeker, with a sincere and logical human map, the emotional and wishful thinkers' map to (ethereal) freedom becomes a blue print of the house of bondage. To every one on here, have a great one.
Dear Free spirit.. You were
Dear Free spirit..
You were never a Muslim in your life, though you tried to be one. It is not possible for a good soul like you to be a Muslim.
Since you are still searching for spirituality, my advice to you is don't confine yourself within a set of beliefs. Belief system won't take us anywhere and certainly that is not religion.
As Krishna Ji beautifully said once,
"Skeptical research, skeptical investigation is true religious process. skepticism is true religion."
Enjoy your journey.
And finally, my salutes for your courage.
Guys u must watch this listen
Guys u must watch this listen to the logic and how pure a man Mohmed was
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lN69AUXBfk&NR=1
Two more quotes for
Two more quotes for you..
"Be what you are. Do not surrender your self respect, your dignity, to others. The moment you surrender yourself to some other self you become a zombie. Do not allow any shadow, even, to possess you. Your destiny is to be free."
"You must become free from any ism -- for that is the deadliest drug. It is like a sponge -- it absorbs illusions like water and engulfs the Self." -- Krishnaji
Free Spirit, It is just that
Free Spirit,
It is just that i get very frustrated when i see educated people being totally unaware of current affairs and therefore they blindly get into relationships with muslims little realizing that most muslims are brought up differently.
I have another case of a non-muslim women who has married a muslim and is not regretting. She is well qualified and has already given her up lucrative job(She was a software engineer) and day by day she is getting deeper into it.
I do hope that you can recover your lost years by having a wonderful future ahead. keep reading and keep spreading the word. good luck
correction: instead of
correction: instead of "muslim and is not " please read "muslim and is now"
Dears, just see this video.It
Dears, just see this video.It appears silly but the questions asked are some what relevant to our beliefs or non beliefs. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCX0JJ16dFM
Focused, I understand where
Focused,
I understand where you are coming from and that is what I feel is my mission now....not only to help you guys educate Muslims, but those (women especially) who are thinking of joing the evil cult of Islam....I hope your friend will wake up oneday b4 it is too late.
Dear venex, He
Dear venex,
He looks well fed, maybe from Al-marhi dairy products from saudi arabia.Really loved the laban though!!!P.k, how was the laban.
He spoke about everything under the sun,except about the sun.It is known as islamic logic & is thought to muslims from child hood.
dear white swan, We all
dear white swan,
We all forgot you.Excuse us.we were busy with free spirit.Are you french by birth.?? could you please give your details more clearly.I could not comprehend some sentences.please do write.You are safe in this forum.All of us will give you moral support.Just writing to us will help lighten the burden in your heart & i can feel a lot of burden.just hang out & take care.Please do write even if it appears silly to you.We all understand your situation.
Krishna, Thanks for the
Krishna,
Thanks for the encouragement....I didn't see this comment at first...the one about White Swan (lovely name). I was debating on writing due to safety issues (for her safety), but I'll write one now.
White swan, Please know that
White swan,
Please know that we are all thinking of you and praying for your situation....please come back and if you can, tell us more of your story. We all care for you.
As for the other
As for the other regulars….Marie, Pk, Pc, RH, BD, Ibrahim, etc…I’ve enjoyed your posts as well and look forward to more in the future.
Thanks. Hopefully we will talk to each other on yahoo soon. Take care.
Dear free spirit, Thats
Dear free spirit,
Thats better!!! By encouraging white swan, you are one of us now.
Krishna, Cool! I'd never
Krishna,
Cool! I'd never intentionally leave another out...it took me well over a year to join you guys....I feared for safety and I was away from my X so I can imagine she must really be going through something....anyway, enough about me....I know what she is going through and how terrified she must feel so there is still a fear factor with me, but you guys are helpful for everyone.....don't worry.....I'll continue to come out of the shell. I hope and pray she will, too.
focussed wrote: Free
focussed wrote:
Free Spirit,
It is just that i get very frustrated when i see educated people being totally unaware of current affairs and therefore they blindly get into relationships with muslims little realizing that most muslims are brought up differently.
I have another case of a non-muslim women who has married a muslim and is not regretting. She is well qualified and has already given her up lucrative job(She was a software engineer) and day by day she is getting deeper into it.
Most of those people have brainwashed themselves into their ideology or are misinformed and naive.
The media also does a real good job of contributing to this problem.
Free Spirit wrote: White
Free Spirit wrote:
White swan,
Please know that we are all thinking of you and praying for your situation….please come back and if you can, tell us more of your story. We all care for you.
White swan please comeback and write, we will listen to you.
It's 500 am in the morning
It's 500 am in the morning and woke up early.Or is it the noise of the donkey braying from the mosque? There is jihadi shetering centre about a mile away from where I live ( as the crow flies) and the donkey is braying over the loud speaker.La illah hi illallah and mohammad maha love day chode pilla!
I guess we have left the garbage ( read moslems) pile up for too long and the stink is spreading and making life unbearable.
The evil grabage of islam is dangerous to those around and also to those deep inside the garbage. Most moslems are deep inside the garbage and take no notice of the stink. Just like what I saw the other day.The garbage truck was just turning round the corner with stink, announcing its arrival before. A bit like the the braying on loud speaker.la Illaha hi crap.I noticed a man sitting atop the garbage and was happily sipping coke! I thought ghosh this fellow must be a moslem.Sitting on top of stinking garbage and is happily sipping coke.Only moslems are capable of such abominable acts.
Any moslem comprehending the posts or the articles here, would be quite ashamed to say they are moslems, unlike the king khan , who says its fantastic to be a moslem! What;s fantastic about being a moslem male? A lot I would guess.
You can screw as many women as you like, can screw children aged 6, can loot, rape,maim, kill, lie , cheat, rob and just bang your head in the garbage pit IE mosque, bingo you will be ready to do all those things again! Would you say its fantastic to be a moslem? Why not? There are no criminals in moslem society as criminals are the society.
Islamic evil should be exposed all the time.
Laban. Ofcourse I quite liked the Laban. Equally good lassi is available all over.
The thing I liked the most was the sweet.Umm ALi! The best ever sweet.The story about this sweet shows the moslem thinking.The umm( mother) of Ali made this sweet to celebrate the death of the second wife of the father of Ali. This in essence is islamic evil.Celebrate death and infact the moslems cry in communal gatherings when ever there is a child birth and they are happy and gay when some one dies.They are really indeed different.But then I guess , the moslems know what kind of life awaits the just born child in a moslem society.So, no wonder they cry at child birth. The most evil people on earth are the pious followers of the maha love da mohammad the pilla chodar
I guess #4 is absolutely
I guess #4 is absolutely correct. Taqyya strikes again! One more thing I'd like to add for Free Spirit is: Beware when your daughter reaches 7, I might be wrong but I've heard a muslim ?father? (better say dumb sperm donor) is entitled to kidnap ?their? kids and take them to islamic paradises, into a dysfunctional islamic upbringing. If I could help you, I'd hunt and kill that Mumm-Ra-MAD slave's servant.
Dear Islamophobic,
Dear Islamophobic,
You are right.The muslim father has total rights over his children,more so daughters.He quotes the dowry amount & gets to keep it.Thats why some kids in saudi arabia get married off to the highest bidder who could be in his 60s or 70s.In libya the dowry amount is uniformly so high that the girls are unmarried even at 40s.it has become a social problem.Indian muslims always talk about the dowry system among hindus blah,blah.The muslims are following the same system but in the reverse direction with all the attendant hassles,but according to islamic logic their system is the best.
anyways just enjoy this video-stupid muslims-- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtgLNGTriI0&feature=rec-HM-rev-rn
WOW.....trying
WOW.....trying night......trying to pray for some peace, but right now....all I feel is anger.....wishing I could do more for White Swan and so many others.....So glad to be a part of this group, but I ask myself....is this a good idea? I am trying to live a normal life, but my child's safety comes first......God, I pray for White Swan....I know how she feels and I'm sure she is terrified anytime she is on this site.....wondering if she'll be discovered.....guys, I know we are doing the right thing.....never mind my babble...just the fear talking....guys.....pray hard for White Swan and all the Muslimas....some can help their situation, but some can't....I know both sides are true for certain....and I know you guys do, to.
Pk, Well, I think you
Pk,
Well, I think you answered a question I have....but then....I can't remember....you are Indian, right? Was curious to find out if in Indian the Adhan is heard over the loud speaker to the entire world....since it is not an Islamic country, I wasn't certain.....here, they can't do that....at least not that I am aware of.
Inida is a dhimmi country and
Inida is a dhimmi country and moslem termites have sapped the energy of this country.Bloody moslem termites have again multiplied and soon india will be an islamic country.Every mosque, the hell hole place of jihadi shelter plays the azzan loudly 5 times a day indicating the head banging, bum raising of the moronic moslems has started. The days are not too far off when the citizens tired of this crap secularism and PC behaviour will take the moscums by their gonads and will do a chopsky job. The termites should have been sent away all of them during partition.The stupid arsehole gandu prevented sardar patel doing that. The SR arsehole says its fantastic to be a moslem. I really do not understand his statement
Free Spirit I am taking the
Free Spirit
I am taking the liberty of answering your question, though it was directed towards PK. It all depends on where you are living in India. If say you are living in a state like Punjab or Harayana or himachal, you will find muslims only in pockets and that too in very small numbers. In places like these Muslims don't usually dare to shout those cries from the depths of hell.
However where Muslims are in large numbers, they not only shout the Ahdan. Azan, but also don't allow other religious communties to carry on with their religious practices. Kashmir is the best example of such a place.
Thank you brahma swamy!
Thank you brahma swamy! Abraham and ibramim were both the corrupted names of Brahma! The creator. Thank you for answering
You are welcome PK.
You are welcome PK.
Thank you, Ibrahim.....it
Thank you, Ibrahim.....it didn't matter to me who answered the question....I just addressed it to him because he was talking about the idiot shouting the Azzan being a possible reason he woke up.
Sad these idiots are taking over.....even more sad that we are letting him.
I am sorry it was learning
I am sorry it was learning the hard way about Islam for you, but you are lucky that you could get out of this cult, many more cases like you are still trapped. Best of Luck
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one expose all the
one expose all the nonesense,violence etc in islam.....but for a moment stop and think.....had you been born in that relgion,would you have the guts to see all that ? porpbably not...very few and courageous souls,come to realize that their relgion has deceived them...so don't be so harsh on muslims..it is not an esy thing to abandon one's relgion..rather criticism should be directed to the core of the religion not towards its innocent victims.
RELIGIONS, ESPECIALLY ISLAM,
RELIGIONS, ESPECIALLY ISLAM, ARE NEITHER EFFECTIVE NOR EFFICIENT IN ESTABLISHING A MORAL LIFE IN INDONESIA
The fact is that the majority of Indonesian is Moslem and there is no other choice for the remaining, but embracing certain religions made available by the existing formal ideology of the nation other than Islam or just believing in the One. However, does it all give Indonesian warranty that a moral life is well instituted in the nation? Let’s take a closer look at the factual reality of the nation. Indonesia is number 1 in corruption among Asian countries and number 5 among nations allover the world. And, the ironic fact is that the Department of Religion of the republic ranks first in corruption. Is there any sufficient explanation for the irony? The author intends here to suggest a little bit scientific explanation of the irony. It is such an explanation that is supposed to be able to debunk the lie committed by those who have the authority of state in their hands using religious signs and symbols and in the case even Islam may serve as an effective and efficient deceiving instrument.
The majority of Indonesian is in serious poverty. They are farmers and fishers in addition to a big number of urban marginalized populations. They really lead a miserable life in the whole history of the nation. They are very familiar with malnutrition, diseases, and all kinds of worldly sufferings. How they survive such a miserable life? Nothing significantly contributes to their survival, but the religions and the belief in the One that are so intensely instituted and indoctrinated to them by the ruling circle in the name of state under a subtle cover. The ruling circle established a sophisticated infrastructure for their subtle instituting and indoctrinating activities, especially those organized by the Department of Religion. One can easily find so many houses of worship (mosques, churches, and others) everywhere in the country. The number of the houses is much more than that of clinics or public health facilities. Such houses serve multifunction and are much cheaper to operate than the clinics and the public health facilities and the members of the respective congregation operate even almost all of the houses on self-supporting basis. The most important function of the houses is to be the instituting and indoctrinating means just as many local government clinics serves the under cover function of deceiving means of young couples who plan to marry that they must be injected certain anti-baby formula for the success of the government program of birth control, which is Family Planning (Keluarga Berencana). It is obligatory for those who plan to marry to obtain a validation paper from the local government clinics that they have been injected a deceiving anti tetanus formula, which is actually anti-baby formula. It means that there is no need for the state to make more expenditure for the operation of the houses of worship, but to increase the number of them. The most recent example of the factual event appertaining to the deceiving act of the state can clearly be observed in the focus of the relieving activities after the Tsunami natural disaster in Aceh and a part of Nort Sumatera. It focuses on the rehabilitation of the biggest house of prayer, the mosque in Banda Aceh, while the coordination and the distribution of the domestic and international helps are messy.
To talk about religion, especially Islam, is to talk about Moslem because there will never be actual Islam without any Moslem, but potential Islam regardless of the magnificent of the values contained in Islamic teachings –at least as Moslem preachers and Islam defenders speak. In other words, Moslem is the blood and the flesh of Islam that can be touched and sensed. Islam and Moslem are actually inseparable. What meaning does the potential Islam have? Nothing. Islam that becomes actuality through Moslem simultaneously represents an ideology because it moves the Moslem to materialize their Islamic ideals. Just as other ideologies, e.g. capitalism, Islam spreads out all over the world. Islam especially becomes the common ideology of the parts of the globe that are in serious poverty. It is because Islam has the very efficacy to alleviate all kinds of worldly suffering by deceiving Moslem with the illusive hope of a just, happy and peaceful life in the world here after. There are many variants of Islam and each of them differs across the countries where it grows. Islam that grows in Malaysia gives birth to the variant Malay Islam. It is also the case of Islam in Indonesia. It lays out the variant of Indonesian Islam as represented by Indonesian Moslem. Indonesian Islam is the worst variant because it serves as an effective and efficient deceiving instrument for the shake of exploitation and suppression by the ruling circle. In one hand, it makes the majority of Indonesian the strongest and super human being to survive all kinds of worldly sufferings as a result of exploitation and suppression by the minority of the ruling circle. It is the fact that capitalism becomes increasingly global and blurs national boundaries across the world. Also, it penetrates Indonesian economy with its irresistible permeability. The marriage of Indonesian Islam and Indonesian capitalism gives birth to the worst variant of capitalism. It is a collusive capitalism and the very ethics of the kind of capitalism is Javanese one in order NOT TO SAY it is the ISLAMIC ONE for the shake of avoiding the brutality of Moslem because of their madness against any criticism. The collusive capitalism has its spirit deep in the Islamic teachings of the minority of the ruling circle and its cronies that play an important role in the Indonesian exploitative economy. For example, the most prestigious act of devotion in Islam is the hajj, which is the pilgrimage to Mecca and the obligatory ceremonies. The hajj is merely economic category of Indonesia Moslem rather than religious or theological category because those who can afford such a pilgrimage can show their economic position among people surrounds them. Even, the exhibitionistic economic effect of the hajj is necessary for the success of Indonesian Moslem’s business. It is the reason for the formal organizer of the pilgrimage, which is under the Department of Religion to sell the pilgrimage as really luxurious products. One can easily compare the cost of the pilgrimage in Indonesia to that in Malay or other neighboring countries and realizes that the cost is much more expensive. The overly high cost of the pilgrimage provides both parties with the benefit just as they expect it. It is for the organizer of the pilgrimage a very profitable business that can be managed on regular basis, i.e., yearly, while it provide those Moslem with socio-psychological benefits that can in turn provide them with the respective success in their business. It is the case of the very small business of sidewalk food merchants that are successful thanks to the street banners they affix on their sidewalk food stall that goes like this: “Warung Sop Haji Agus”. It is also the case of the owner of big enterprise who put the title-like letters H. or Hj. and adds the Islamic name Muhammad in front of his original name such as H. Drs. Huhammad Cahyono, the General Director of Kecap Cabai Company. Even, some big Chinese bosses who are not Moslem consider it as necessary to use typical Islamic names for the success of their business such as Muhammad Bob Hasan and Muhammad Sudono Salim. In short, to be successful to operate business in the business environment of collusive capitalism, which is typical Indonesian, it is a must for one to have a good adaptability to the collusive business environment. And Islam is the best instrument to have such a good adaptability.
Islam as Camouflage
The kind of Islam may also be found in other part of the world. However, the worst case takes place in Indonesia. Let’s take a closer look at the following example. Almost all of those in governmental position (executive, legislative and judiciary bodies) have the little title-like letters H. or Hj. in front of their name, for example H. Ir. Mahmud Akbar or Hj. Latifah Bahrum, S.H. The H. and Hj. provide one with a more established acceptance socio-psychologically by Indonesian Moslem when he or she is in a governmental position. And, it is a must that the number one person in the Republic, the President, is a Moslem. Otherwise, the republic will collapse because of the denial of it majority Moslem people. It is the fact that those in governmental position are wealthy and do not have any successful business because they are surrounded by business players. Those who have the title-like letters in front of their name camouflage their corrupt behavior with a really big contribution for some social or religious activities (mosque buildings or congregation maintaining). Let’s take a good example of the days close to the election in Indonesian democracy. Islamic congregations are overly activated in what so-called Pengajian Akbar, a great congregation for the recitation of Koran. Who are able to mobilize such a big number of people in an activity rich of Islamic symbols? They are Islamic political parties. It is nothing important in such a massive mobilization of the people, but money. Money plays a much more important role than the collective ideals they have been boasting, which is an Islamic moral life. In such a case there are religious leaders who sell the vote of local-based religious congregation members for the purpose of personal benefit, at least in the hope that they can meet the target of gaining certain number of chairs in both local and national assembly. The increasing number of the members of the assembly, especially the members of local assembly who collectively become the suspects in the case of corruption and manipulation in cooperation with the local corrupt executive officers is the fact that those who are actively involved in the certain political parties not only considered the position they gain in the local and national assembly as political target but also as personal target to gain personal wealthy regardless the moral way to be wealthy, especially by corruption and manipulation.
Natural Disasters and Moral Disasters
It is now approximately a year after the Tsunami natural disaster in Aceh that we can clearly observe with our bare eyes how messy is the relief programs in the regions. It is really the messy we easily recognize in the both international and national relief organizations. The factual reality of present Aceh, a year after the disaster, becomes the most convincing evidence that no one really care about the sufferings and the misserible life of the victims of it. Most of those who were boasting too much about their humanitarian act for the victims can prove nothing, but lies. All what they have done is exploiting the sufferings of the victims for their personal and collective interests, especially fund raising.
gOd Curse hIM!
gOd is nothing, but a concept that is deliberately developed by human being into a constant myth in order its merits then to be utilized in making a better life. Any way, is that true that the gOd is so effective and so efficient and must be maintained up to now?
gOd?!
No, iT is not effective. iT is not efficient. iT is neither effective nor efficient in making a better life. A life without any violence in all its manifestations. The violence of men-over-men exploitation. The violence of men-over-men suppression.
gOd?!
Yes, iT is indeed so. iT is indeed so effective and so efficient. iT’s efficacy has long been evidenced that iT must always be maintained, because so many people need iT to overcome their pain and anguish. The kind of the pain and anguish because they are powerless and exploited and suppressed.
To severe is their dependence on the gOd that they can not survive without iT, but crazy.
Thus,
It is not difficult to understand that the minority of those who are powerful and have the authority in their hands over the majority of those who are powerless, deliberately establishes a department to develop the concept and all teachings derived from iT into an anesthetic-like formula and to make use of the formula to compensate the pain and the anguish of the majority, the powerless exploited, the powerless suppressed in the shake of perpetuating their power, so that the minority can enjoy all amenities as a result of the exploitation and suppression without the majority, the powerless exploited, the powerless suppressed—thanks to the cursed gOd—experience any significant pain and anguish of the kind. The minority can, therefore, enjoy the amenities again and again. It has long been their favorite amenities.
gOd?!
iT is eventually nothing, but the measure of the pain and the anguish of the majority,
the powerless exploited, the powerless suppressed.
gOd?!
iT nothing, but the measure of their hopeless.
gOd?!
In the name of the majority, curse iT!
Do experience the pain and the anguish just as they are in order we then make a better life far from them without any involvement of the cursed gOd!
Throw away the cursed gOd as far as possible once we have killed iT in our life!
Or, bury the cursed gOd as deep as possible once we have killed iT in our life!
Curse gOd!
Amen.
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