The Earliest Copy of The Qur'an -Yemeni koran (Video)
Submitted by Administrator on Thu, 06/18/2009 - 06:37
Printer-friendly versionSend to friendPDF versionWatch this video, and you'll see that the Qur'an has been changed many times. It is not the unchangeable word of AllahThanks to Copper Head for alerting FFI to this video
Submitted by Zahir (not verified) on Thu, 06/18/2009 - 07:10.
It is vary sad that the Sana script are not well known to the muslim society.They till believe that there is no variation in the quran and it is obviously from allah.What can we do to learn the ignorant muslims?Internet is not widely accessible within muslim society.The only things that we can do is to publish the Sana quran so that media highlight this issue and muslim may able to learn the fact.But publishing Sana quran would be vary risky.
Submitted by Truthsayer (not verified) on Thu, 06/18/2009 - 09:59.
LOL. Man you look goofy, so does that 'researcher'.
Korans without dots were produced up until 1200-1300. People were simply better at arabic back then, and didn't need the dots. Here's proof: http://downloads1.nadeemdownloads.com/ISLAMIC SERVER 01/pics--letter of the Prophet Muhammed (saw) to nijashi.jpg
See? The dots are not nessecary to understand the meaning,if you're good enough at the language.
And chapters have been changed? LOL. Everyone knows the surats are not in their original order. So what? It's the same words.
I'm embarrassed on your behalf, and on behalf of that "qur'an expert" LOL.
Submitted by pathfinder (not verified) on Thu, 06/18/2009 - 13:16.
Why cant the Yemen official make open the material public and debate it. They know Quran is fake. xxxxxx mohommed created the stupid religion islam and other caliph thugs added revised for the situational cases.
Muslims should realise that they have been cheated by mohammed and later by so called caliphs. Get out of the slumber and throw quran in dustbin and come back to humanity. Islam is a disease which affects the sanity of muslims, make women suffer and dangerous for non-muslims.
Submitted by farishta (not verified) on Thu, 06/18/2009 - 13:52.
well, well, well, the oldest copy of this phony book does not match with the later copies. That conclusively proves that it is just a book like any other book.
why don't the Muslims check with the original copy that Allah is supposed to be keeping under his pillow ?
Submitted by Ibn Kammuna (not verified) on Thu, 06/18/2009 - 14:02.
Dear Truthsayer
you say "Korans without dots were produced up until 1200-1300. People were simply better at arabic back then, and didn’t need the dots."
Thats incorrect. Please see my 3-part sudy on the collection of the Qur'an. You are way of my friend. Here is the links:
Submitted by Franca (not verified) on Thu, 06/18/2009 - 19:45.
TrueBrainWashed how comes do you ignore the Importance of the Fact that so called Sourah are not ordered in their Order of Appearence? How comes you ignore the constitutional and legal """Importance""" of qouranic Text and, according to this, the Importance of re-ordening Sourah according their Appearence's Order and not else? Are you another of those BrainWashed who are supposed to blindly believe in the whole Bull Shits that his/her (smart ...) Leaders tell him/her? Why you sell you logical Thinking to those (cheap ...) Leaders and refuse to use your Thinking's Skills? (Oh G-d ... maybe you haven't any of them?!). Anyway: not surprised that your Clergy will try do to anything to ban this Manuscripts from (mandatory!) "Believers"'s Sight. Do you mean? If (mandatory) "Believers" will start questioning their (Members of the Islamic Clergy) Leadership, they will loose everything. Both in Saudi Arabia and in Iran. Again: would you mean? (...).
Submitted by kenmirzz (not verified) on Fri, 06/19/2009 - 03:47.
to Truthsayer #7
The link you provided does anything than refuting the allegation of Quranic distortion issue.
The link provided by Ibnu Kammuna are clearly substantiated with solid evidence on the alteration with regards to the collection, compilation and writng of the Quran into one Mushaf or book. The mistakes of the scribes are something you should ponder upon. Hamzah Tsorzis had done a less than satisfying job in defending his position of inimitable Quran. The historical evidence was there for you to check them out yourself unless you are unhesitantly prepared to convert yourself to a Quran-only Muslims who will revise your position by discarding bulk of Islamic literatures, i.e. the Hadith, the Siraa, etc.
Dont you know that the dots were introduced under the instruction and supervision of the cruel and bloodthirsty caliph by the name of Hajjaj Ibnu Yusuf Assaqafi? You get what I mean? This brutal caliphs that massacre and persecute more than 100,000 thousands Muslims for surely have done something favourable to his position to sustain his dynasty. Consequently, the Shia ( most of them) do not accept the present Quran to be unaltered and infallible. They have thousands and thousands of traditions traced back to the Prophet that you Sunni branded as 'fabricated' stated the obvious changes made by the companion(sahaba) for the sake of vain desire.
Ironically, the Sunnis themselves recorded in their literatures about similar alterations without feeling pang of conscience. They view Shia as Kaafir but they can share the title themselves.
In conclusion, The Quran that we possess today is not Unchangable, Uncorrupted and Undistorted from cover to cover as most Muslims asserted. This is a ploy to cheat credulous people that were done by the hypocrite Islamic scholars for more than 1400 years. The general masses did not know about this till now and the facts remain concealed for so long. It's time to wake up from slumber, my Muslims brothers and sisters of humanity.
Submitted by Truth89 (not verified) on Sat, 06/20/2009 - 08:30.
Hahaha are you all serious. The makers of this clip are , how do i put this nicely, very limited in their knowledge of the authentic history of Islam. The clip proves nothing. I repeat, Nothing!
Submitted by paarsurrey (not verified) on Sun, 06/21/2009 - 19:53.
Hi
I think there is some confusion here. Quran was not written or authored by Muhammad. It was revealed word for word on the heart of Muhammad and from him his companions learnt it by heart. It is only a secondary security method that it was also committed to writing immediately. The method of learning from person to person still continues; statrted from Muhammad to date. As Muhammad received Quran from God Allah YHWH; he let his companions know of it and it was immediately committed to memory by his companions.
There is no possibility of any change in Quran; I think.
Submitted by R_not (not verified) on Thu, 06/25/2009 - 06:52.
Since parts of the Quran was eaten by goats - and Allah didn't care if they ate it, it sounds like a pretty flakey book to me. So basically parts of the Quran was... goat 'pellets'. Good place for it.
Anyway, Allah couldn't even bother to dictate it to Muhammed all by himself - he sent some 'questionable' angel to Muhammed.
Submitted by paarsurrey (not verified) on Mon, 06/29/2009 - 17:25.
Hi friend kenmirzz
I appreciate your words of sympathy for the persecution of peaceful Ahmadis at hands of the ignorant Traditional Muslims. I also like the motto “Humanity is but one family” mentioned by you at the end of your post.
You must have read the e-book entitled: “Corruption and Distortion in the Quran” by Mr Amar Khan as suggested and recommended by you. Please mention the strongest argument given by him to establish corruption and distortion in Quran for understanding or otherwise of our friends in this forum.
Love for all, hatred for none.
Thanks
Submitted by Arp (not verified) on Mon, 06/29/2009 - 17:48.
#17 paarsurrey, Please put "I am an Ahmadi peaceful guy" - do not use "peaceful Muslim", when you say Muslim , immediately ,I think of ,Muslims braying Allahu Akbar and beheading innocent people.
Submitted by paarsurrey (not verified) on Sat, 07/18/2009 - 11:39.
Hi friend Arp
I don't agree with you. I say I am a peaceful Ahmadi Muslim as I cannot hate the Muslims en-block. One could condemn a certain incident done by a criminal; but it is against the cause of humanity to condemn others who are not envolved in the incident and to condemn the whole race of a people. This would be counterproductive and serve on purpose. Please have a humanist approach;and don't find fault with the innocent Quran/Islam/Muhammad. If one loves humanity; Muslims are also a part of the humanity; adn hence one should learn loving the Muslims also.
Would you like to inform us about your faith your previously had; and your current faith you were converted to later.
All human beings are just like one family; one should learn respecting everyone and one should not hate anyone.
Muhammad ddnt receive Quran directly from Allah....According to popular Ismalist belief He received it from some Angel and that angel received it from so called Allah.
Muhhammad let his companions(who were humans) know about it...We all know how unreliable human memory can be sometimes....It gets distorted over time and could also get corrupted....
N what the proof Muhammad or any of the muslims here have that so called angels are from Allah only.....I cant digest the fact that god really m'mad to kill other Humans....Was that angels from Satan....
Submitted by Toymose Raza Akhtar (not verified) on Fri, 09/18/2009 - 17:45.
Dear readers,
I think I need heart operation to clean my sin!!!!!!
How come this days Muslims believe all these rubbish when their so called prophet claimed that angel cleaned his sin by cleaning his heart in river water unless he is nut case. (If your son come and tell you this type of story I am sure you will take him to hospital before it is too late)
How come so called prophet had 14 wives?
What a pack of rubish in this book called quran. That mohammad was a mad man as well. For his own interest what ever bubbish came in his mouth he said to his followers to follow. Now your mullahs are following the bloody same example.
Come to the light boys come to the light. Enough is enough.
Faithfreedom.org echoes the voice of ex-Muslims who want to stop the spread of Islam, expose its violent nature, and help Muslims to understand it and leave it. We believe in the oneness of humanity and oppose Islam for inciting hatred against non Muslims. Muhammad instructed his follower to conquer the world by the sword and to rule it with terror. We are determined to not let that happen.
It is vary sad that the Sana
It is vary sad that the Sana script are not well known to the muslim society.They till believe that there is no variation in the quran and it is obviously from allah.What can we do to learn the ignorant muslims?Internet is not widely accessible within muslim society.The only things that we can do is to publish the Sana quran so that media highlight this issue and muslim may able to learn the fact.But publishing Sana quran would be vary risky.
LOL. Man you look goofy, so
LOL. Man you look goofy, so does that 'researcher'.
Korans without dots were produced up until 1200-1300. People were simply better at arabic back then, and didn't need the dots. Here's proof:
http://downloads1.nadeemdownloads.com/ISLAMIC SERVER 01/pics--letter of the Prophet Muhammed (saw) to nijashi.jpg
See? The dots are not nessecary to understand the meaning,if you're good enough at the language.
And chapters have been changed? LOL. Everyone knows the surats are not in their original order. So what? It's the same words.
I'm embarrassed on your behalf, and on behalf of that "qur'an expert" LOL.
Wrong link.
Wrong link. Try
http://downloads1.nadeemdownloads.com/ISLAMIC SERVER 01/pics--letter%20of%20the%20Prophet%20Muhammed%20(saw)%20to%20nijashi.jpg
Why cant the Yemen official
Why cant the Yemen official make open the material public and debate it. They know Quran is fake. xxxxxx mohommed created the stupid religion islam and other caliph thugs added revised for the situational cases.
Muslims should realise that they have been cheated by mohammed and later by so called caliphs. Get out of the slumber and throw quran in dustbin and come back to humanity. Islam is a disease which affects the sanity of muslims, make women suffer and dangerous for non-muslims.
well, well, well, the oldest
well, well, well, the oldest copy of this phony book does not match with the later copies. That conclusively proves that it is just a book like any other book.
why don't the Muslims check with the original copy that Allah is supposed to be keeping under his pillow ?
Questionable
Utterings of a
Rabid
Arab
Nutcase.
Dear Truthsayer you say
Dear Truthsayer
you say "Korans without dots were produced up until 1200-1300. People were simply better at arabic back then, and didn’t need the dots."
Thats incorrect. Please see my 3-part sudy on the collection of the Qur'an. You are way of my friend. Here is the links:
http://www.faithfreedom.org/2009/02/12/collection-of-the-qur%e2%80%99an-1/
http://www.faithfreedom.org/2009/02/13/collection-of-the-qur%e2%80%99an-2/
http://www.faithfreedom.org/2009/02/16/collection-of-the-qur%e2%80%99an-...
Good luck to you brother
Maybe. But for a complete
Maybe. But for a complete refutation of this, see
http://hamzatzortzis.blogspot.com/2008/07/dr-puin-yemeni-manuscripts.html
TrueBrainWashed how comes do
TrueBrainWashed how comes do you ignore the Importance of the Fact that so called Sourah are not ordered in their Order of Appearence? How comes you ignore the constitutional and legal """Importance""" of qouranic Text and, according to this, the Importance of re-ordening Sourah according their Appearence's Order and not else? Are you another of those BrainWashed who are supposed to blindly believe in the whole Bull Shits that his/her (smart ...) Leaders tell him/her? Why you sell you logical Thinking to those (cheap ...) Leaders and refuse to use your Thinking's Skills? (Oh G-d ... maybe you haven't any of them?!). Anyway: not surprised that your Clergy will try do to anything to ban this Manuscripts from (mandatory!) "Believers"'s Sight. Do you mean? If (mandatory) "Believers" will start questioning their (Members of the Islamic Clergy) Leadership, they will loose everything. Both in Saudi Arabia and in Iran. Again: would you mean? (...).
to Truthsayer #7 The link
to Truthsayer #7
The link you provided does anything than refuting the allegation of Quranic distortion issue.
The link provided by Ibnu Kammuna are clearly substantiated with solid evidence on the alteration with regards to the collection, compilation and writng of the Quran into one Mushaf or book. The mistakes of the scribes are something you should ponder upon. Hamzah Tsorzis had done a less than satisfying job in defending his position of inimitable Quran. The historical evidence was there for you to check them out yourself unless you are unhesitantly prepared to convert yourself to a Quran-only Muslims who will revise your position by discarding bulk of Islamic literatures, i.e. the Hadith, the Siraa, etc.
Dont you know that the dots were introduced under the instruction and supervision of the cruel and bloodthirsty caliph by the name of Hajjaj Ibnu Yusuf Assaqafi? You get what I mean? This brutal caliphs that massacre and persecute more than 100,000 thousands Muslims for surely have done something favourable to his position to sustain his dynasty. Consequently, the Shia ( most of them) do not accept the present Quran to be unaltered and infallible. They have thousands and thousands of traditions traced back to the Prophet that you Sunni branded as 'fabricated' stated the obvious changes made by the companion(sahaba) for the sake of vain desire.
Ironically, the Sunnis themselves recorded in their literatures about similar alterations without feeling pang of conscience. They view Shia as Kaafir but they can share the title themselves.
In conclusion, The Quran that we possess today is not Unchangable, Uncorrupted and Undistorted from cover to cover as most Muslims asserted. This is a ploy to cheat credulous people that were done by the hypocrite Islamic scholars for more than 1400 years. The general masses did not know about this till now and the facts remain concealed for so long. It's time to wake up from slumber, my Muslims brothers and sisters of humanity.
Humanity is but one family. :)
Hahaha are you all serious.
Hahaha are you all serious. The makers of this clip are , how do i put this nicely, very limited in their knowledge of the authentic history of Islam. The clip proves nothing. I repeat, Nothing!
May Allah guide those who search for the truth.
# 10 yeah, yeah nothing
# 10 yeah, yeah nothing including your "prophet". I repeat, nothing!!!
undeniable evidences muslims
undeniable evidences muslims sources admitting to alterations in quran links are here http://www.submission.org/quran/protect.html,
http://www.answering-islam.org/PQ/quotes.htm
Hi I think there is some
Hi
I think there is some confusion here. Quran was not written or authored by Muhammad. It was revealed word for word on the heart of Muhammad and from him his companions learnt it by heart. It is only a secondary security method that it was also committed to writing immediately. The method of learning from person to person still continues; statrted from Muhammad to date. As Muhammad received Quran from God Allah YHWH; he let his companions know of it and it was immediately committed to memory by his companions.
There is no possibility of any change in Quran; I think.
Thanks
I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim
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Since parts of the Quran was
Since parts of the Quran was eaten by goats - and Allah didn't care if they ate it, it sounds like a pretty flakey book to me. So basically parts of the Quran was... goat 'pellets'. Good place for it.
Anyway, Allah couldn't even bother to dictate it to Muhammed all by himself - he sent some 'questionable' angel to Muhammed.
Hi No parts of Quran were
Hi
No parts of Quran were ever eaten by any goat; this is only a wrong notion.
Thanks
I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim
To Paarsurrey #15 First and
To Paarsurrey #15
First and foremost, you are an Ahmadi-Qadiyani Muslim and my apology for all the persecution that suffered by your people in Pakistan.
You said: No parts of Quran were ever eaten by any goat; this is only a wrong notion.
Please read the e-book entitled: "Corruption and Distortion In The Quran" by Mr Amar Khan to obtain a clearer picture on this issue.
Humanity is but one family. :)
Hi friend kenmirzz I
Hi friend kenmirzz
I appreciate your words of sympathy for the persecution of peaceful Ahmadis at hands of the ignorant Traditional Muslims. I also like the motto “Humanity is but one family” mentioned by you at the end of your post.
You must have read the e-book entitled: “Corruption and Distortion in the Quran” by Mr Amar Khan as suggested and recommended by you. Please mention the strongest argument given by him to establish corruption and distortion in Quran for understanding or otherwise of our friends in this forum.
Love for all, hatred for none.
Thanks
I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim
#17 paarsurrey, Please put
#17 paarsurrey, Please put "I am an Ahmadi peaceful guy" - do not use "peaceful Muslim", when you say Muslim , immediately ,I think of ,Muslims braying Allahu Akbar and beheading innocent people.
Hi friend Arp I don't agree
Hi friend Arp
I don't agree with you. I say I am a peaceful Ahmadi Muslim as I cannot hate the Muslims en-block. One could condemn a certain incident done by a criminal; but it is against the cause of humanity to condemn others who are not envolved in the incident and to condemn the whole race of a people. This would be counterproductive and serve on purpose. Please have a humanist approach;and don't find fault with the innocent Quran/Islam/Muhammad. If one loves humanity; Muslims are also a part of the humanity; adn hence one should learn loving the Muslims also.
Would you like to inform us about your faith your previously had; and your current faith you were converted to later.
All human beings are just like one family; one should learn respecting everyone and one should not hate anyone.
Thanks
I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim
As Muhammad received Quran
As Muhammad received Quran from God Allah YHWH; he let his companions know of it and it was immediately committed to memory by his companions.
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Muhammad ddnt receive Quran directly from Allah....According to popular Ismalist belief He received it from some Angel and that angel received it from so called Allah.
Muhhammad let his companions(who were humans) know about it...We all know how unreliable human memory can be sometimes....It gets distorted over time and could also get corrupted....
N what the proof Muhammad or any of the muslims here have that so called angels are from Allah only.....I cant digest the fact that god really m'mad to kill other Humans....Was that angels from Satan....
Dear readers, I think I need
Dear readers,
I think I need heart operation to clean my sin!!!!!!
How come this days Muslims believe all these rubbish when their so called prophet claimed that angel cleaned his sin by cleaning his heart in river water unless he is nut case. (If your son come and tell you this type of story I am sure you will take him to hospital before it is too late)
How come so called prophet had 14 wives?
What a pack of rubish in this book called quran. That mohammad was a mad man as well. For his own interest what ever bubbish came in his mouth he said to his followers to follow. Now your mullahs are following the bloody same example.
Come to the light boys come to the light. Enough is enough.