Does Allah really value women?
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“A Girl came out of man’s Rib. Not from his Feet to be walked on, nor from his head to be superior over, but from his side to be equal, under the arm to be protected and next to the heart to be loved.”
The above quote is really so refreshing, it really shows how to care and value the women.
In this article I will restrict myself to the above mentioned topic. Since my childhood I have always heard from my Muslim neighbors that in Islam the value given to women is unprecedented in all cultures or religions. That no other religion gives that much value to the women as Islam gives. Being raised a non-Muslim from a predominantly Muslim country, and having seen with my own eyes about the plight of Muslim women (muslimahs) in this country of my birth, I deeply knew that what my neighbors were talking stems from the fact that they were and are still ignorant of other religions or cultures. I have no intention whatsoever of making a comparative analysis between Islam and other religions. I am here only to write about what the “only true” and the supposedly a “mercy” to mankind religion teaches us about women.
First, it is important to mention here that some of the most important of Prophet (PBUH) teachings are collected in what is called Hadith. The Hadith is a record of Prophet (PBUH) words and deeds according to His wives, relatives, and faithful companions. Next to the Quran, it is the most important part of Islamic law; its teachings are just as authoritative as the Quran. The Hadith is recorded in many books, but not all of them are agreed upon by all Muslims though. All of our quotes here are from “Sahih Al-Bukhari” which comes in nine volumes, and contains thousands of Hadiths. Al Bukhari is accepted by most Muslims as the authentic words of Prophet (PBUH). Because of the limited space, we will mention here just a few examples. Our purpose here is to give the reader a taste of the teachings of Prophet (PBUH), the prophet of Islam. Some of these teachings may shock you, and some may amuse you. Others may simply leave you mystified.
Once again, we mainly know two things about Islam.
1: Quran
2: Sunna (Hadith)
Most of Muslims agree with this comment, that without Hadith it is not possible to understand the Quran.
For example, Muslims know that in the Quran there is vague mention about the Hajj and about five times a day Prayers, but a certain Hadith goes on to explain how to do the hajj and how to recite a prayer, what prayers should be said when you go for a Hajj and what procedures should be followed when performing prayer.
And it is by this that we actually learn the real value of women in Islam. While it is an undeniable fact that some Muslim women are proud to be Muslims and in fact most of the western converts to Islam are women. But if by chance you get to interview some of these Muslim women about what they feel so great about Islam, the likely answers are as follows:
-They feel great on what Islam promise them about their Heritage share (half of what a man is likely to inherit);
-They feel great because in Islam they are not a public property (of course a non-Muslim will be bewildered at this claim);
-They are kept under constant male guardian (husbands, male relatives, etc) interpreted as constant protection and having little responsibility about earning money (you know making money on your own is a huge task!);
- They are guaranteed to be married - parents will just find a husband for their little cutie teenage girl- (it does not matter if the arranged husband is 70 years of age) -as long as those dating balderdashes seen among young people in non-Muslim societies are avoided, Islam is great!
So let’s look on the real value of women in Islam in detail, in the light of authentic Islamic scriptures.
To be stoned down to death is value number one
Narrated Abu Huraira and Zaid bin Khalid Al-Juhani:
A bedouin came to Allah's Apostle and said, "O Allah's apostle! I ask you by Allah to judge My case according to Allah's Laws." His opponent, who was more learned than he, said, "Yes, judge between us according to Allah's Laws, and allow me to speak." Allah's Apostle said, "Speak." He (i .e. the bedouin or the other man) said, "My son was working as a laborer for this (man) and he committed illegal sexual intercourse with his wife. The people told me that it was obligatory that my son should be stoned to death, so in lieu of that I ransomed my son by paying one hundred sheep and a slave girl. Then I asked the religious scholars about it, and they informed me that my son must be lashed one hundred lashes, and be exiled for one year, and the wife of this (man) must be stoned to death." Allah's Apostle said, "By Him in Whose Hands my soul is, I will judge between you according to Allah's Laws. The slave-girl and the sheep are to be returned to you, your son is to receive a hundred lashes and be exiled for one year. You, Unais, go to the wife of this (man) and if she confesses her guilt, stone her to death." Unais went to that woman next morning and she confessed. Allah's Apostle ordered that she be stoned to death. (Sahih Bukhari Book #50, Hadith # 885)
Women who pass by a praying man annul his prayer:
Narrated ‘Aisha: The things which annul prayer were mentioned before me (and those were): a dog, a donkey and a Woman. I said, “You have compared us (women) to donkeys and dogs. By Allah! I saw the Prophet praying while I used to lie in (my) bed between him and the Qibla. Whenever I was in need of something, I disliked sitting and troubling the Prophet. So, I would slip away by the side of his feet.” (Book #9, Hadith #493)
This Hadith shows that there is no difference between dog, donkey or women. Well that really hurts. From my childhood I learnt from my parents to respect ladies, but in here Islam teaches us women are just like dogs and donkeys, but wait, it does not only rest on women.
A Jew also annuls the prayers of a man:
Narrated Abdullah ibn Abbas: Ikrimah reported on the authority of Ibn Abbas, saying: I think the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) said: When one of you prays without a sutrah, a dog, an ass, a pig, a Jew, a Magian, and a woman cut off his prayer, but it will suffice if they pass in front of him at a distance of over a stone’s throw. (Book #2, Hadith #0704)
And black dogs:
Abu Dharr reported: The Messenger of ‘Allah (may peace be upon him) said: When any one of you stands for prayer and there is a thing before him equal to the back of the saddle that covers him and in case there is not before him (a thing) equal to the back of the saddle, his prayer would be cut off by (passing of an) ass, woman, and black Dog. I said: O Abu Dharr, what feature is there in a black dog which distinguish it from the red dog and the yellow dog? He said: O, son of my brother, I asked the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) as you are asking me, and he said: The black dog is a devil. (Book #004, Hadith #1032)
Women are not ones to be trusted:
Narrated Ibn ‘Umar: The Prophet said, “A Woman should not travel for more than three days except with a Dhi-Mahram (i.e. a male with whom she cannot marry at all, e.g. her brother, father, grandfather, etc.) or her own husband.)” (Book #20, Hadith #192)
(40) Narrated Abu Huraira: The Prophet (p.b.u.h) said, “It is not permissible for a Woman who believes in Allah and the Last Day to travel for one day and night except with a Mahram.” (Book #20, Hadith #194)
That likely suggests that those young Muslimahs traveling abroad or relocating their cities for jobs or studies should first get married or take their dad or elder brother with them. The reality is the majority of Muslim families do not practice it, but for those who aspire to or practice it, such as the Talibans, are completely justified as per Islamic creed.
If you are a Muslim man and meet an alien woman, rush immediately to your wife and have intercourse with her to repel the devil in that woman:
Jabir reported that Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) saw a woman, and so he came to his wife, Zainab, as she was tanning a leather and had sexual intercourse with her. He then went to his Companions and told them: The woman advances and retires in the shape of a devil, so when one of you sees a woman, he should come to his wife, for that will repel what he feels in his heart. (Book #008, Hadith #3240)
My dear Muslimahs reading this article, you are advised to be prepared 24/7 for your husbands, because you never know when your husbands will demand sex from you. And due to the fact that, nowadays, contrary to ancient societies, so many beautiful girls are free to move on their own, your husbands have no choice but to see them and they inevitably will demand sex from you. If you protest, you are against an Apostle of Allah and that guarantees Hell fire.
Women primary existence is to express beauty, status, and to believe in Allah. What they do with their brains in their families is secondary and insignificant:
Abu Huraira (Allah be pleased with him) reported Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: A woman may be married for four reasons: for her property, her status. her beauty and her religion, so try to get one who is religious, may your hand be besmeared with dust. (Book #008, Hadith #3457)
Women are crooks and useless creature:
AbuHuraira (Allah be pleased with him) reported Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: woman is like a rib. When you attempt to straighten it, you would break it. And if you leave her alone you would benefit by her, and crookedness will remain in her. A hadith like this is reported by another chain of narrators (Book #008, Hadith #3466)
Women are simply of bad luck, bad omen:
Umar b. Muhammad b. Zaid reported that he heard his father narrating from Ibn ‘Umar that Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) had said. If bad luck is a fact, then it is in the horse, the woman and the house. (Book #026, Hadith #5526)
Narrated Sa’d ibn Malik: The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: There is no hamah, no infection and no evil omen; if there is in anything an evil omen, it is a house, a horse, and a woman. (Book #29, Hadith #3911)
Women are breeding machines:
Narrated Ma’qil ibn Yasar: A man came to the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) and said: I have found a woman of rank and beauty, but she does not give birth to children. Should I marry her? He said: No. He came again to him, but he prohibited him. He came to him third time, and he (the Prophet) said: Marry women who are loving and very prolific, for I shall outnumber the peoples by you. (Book #11, Hadith #2045)
A woman to her husband is analogous to a slave and his master (and the three Hadiths below speak it all):
Narrated Abdullah ibn Amr ibn al-’As: The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: If one of you marries a woman or buys a slave, he should say: “O Allah, I ask Thee for the good in her, and in the disposition Thou hast given her; I take refuge in Thee from the evil in her, and in the disposition Thou hast given her.” When he buys a camel, he should take hold of the top of its hump and say the same kind of thing. (Book #11, Hadith #2155)
Narrated AbuHurayrah: The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: Anyone who incites a woman against her husband or a slave against his master is not one of us. (Book #12, Hadith #2170)
Narrated Aisha, Ummul Mu’minin: Al-Qasim said: Aisha intended to set free two slaves of her who were spouses. She, therefore, asked the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) about this matter. He commanded to begin with the man before the woman. The narrator Nasr said: AbuAli al-Hanafi reported it to me on the authority of Ubaydullah. (Book #12, Hadith #2229)
Allah’s Apostle forbidden women expressing emotions:
Narrated AbuSa’id al-Khudri: The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) cursed the wailing woman and the woman who listens to her. (Book #20, Hadith #3122)
It’s not clear as to why Allah’s Apostle would prevent women expressing emotions. My best guess is that after the Noble Prophet has massacred the entire men in certain tribes (eg. Qurayish), wailing widows whose husband have been slain by the Prophet and his thugs kept wailing unceasingly. Nothing could have stopped them, and due to his usual psychopathic thinking, the Noble Prophet thought cursing could do a better job at stopping wailing.
Also said that the majority of hell dwellers will be women:
NarratedIbn'Abbas: The Prophet said: I was shown the Hell-fire and that the majority of its dwellers were women who were ungrateful. It was asked, “Do they disbelieve in Allah?” (or are they ungrateful to Allah?) He replied, “They are ungrateful to their husbands and are ungrateful for the favors and the good (charitable deeds) done to them. If you have always been good (benevolent) to one of them and then she sees something in you (not of her liking), she will say, “I have never received any good from you.” (Book #2, Hadith # 28).
Conclusion
It’s hard to understand as to why Allah and his Apostle expressed such a profound distaste to women. From being of bad luck, to equate them with dogs, to be stoned to death while a man is let free for a similar offense. Please ACT now; stop the spread of Islam and save women. Not a day passes without a woman being raped, forced in marriage or honor killed. It’s happening everywhere where Islam is. If there is one reason Islam need to be stopped it is women. Yes You Can stop this anti women cancer at a minimum by spreading this article to anyone close to you.
Dear Poma Thank you for your
Dear Poma
Thank you for your riveting article. You have misunderstood some very important aspects of Islam in your article. Also, I think you have misused your platform to tell half truths and paint a tainted picture of Women in Islam by either recklessly or intentionally misconstruing the details in the hadiths you mentioned.
As a Muslim myself, I am presenting the following position for you to take into consideration in future:
(1) Islam (the Quran and the Holy Prophet (SAWS)) has also lashed out at MEN and their behaviour starting from the creation of Adam. Islam calls MEN, Ungrateful, Greedy, Heedless, Selfish, Forgetful, Disobedient, Reckless, followers of base desires, Sinful, and so on. Now, if we were to simply use these statements alone to try to decipher how Allah and his messenger perceives men then we are ALL quite frankly doomed. I say ALL. YES, that includes ME, YOU, Muslim, Non-Muslim, Christian, Jew, Atheist, Black, White, Pink and Blue.
However, this narrow, superficial and inaccurate view is not true. Allah (SWT) also says that Mankind (the term mankind also includes members of the fairer sex, I'm sure you will agree) is God's most favourite and treasured creation. There will be members of mankind who will be rewarded and honoured by God (Again, this includes the female of the species).
(2) The Prophet (SAWS) famously stated the following: Jahma (ra) came and asked the Prophet (pbuh), "I seek your command to join Jihad." The Prophet (pbuh) asked him, "Is your mother alive?" He said, "yes" The Prophet (pbuh) ordered him, "Go back to her and devote yourself to her service, for Paradise (Jannah) lies under her feet." (Ibn-Majah, Nisa)
In another hadith, the Prophet (pbuh) said, "Amongst Muslims the Iman (belief) of that person is perfect whose Akhlaq (morals) are the best, and the best amongst you is he whose treatment with his wife is the best." (Tirmizi.)
Islam is neither a man nor woman-orientated Deen. It is for Mankind. Allah (SWT) says in the Qur'an, "O Mankind! We created you from male and female and made you into clans and tribes so you may know each other, the most honored of you in the sigh of Allah swt is the one who has more Taqwah. (Qur'an, 42: 13)
"A man who brings up three daughters or sister, educates them, teaches them good manners, and treats them kindly till they become independent, is entitled by Allah (SWT) to enter Paradise (Jannah).: Even if a person has two daughters or sisters, the same reward is given as the hadith explains further. (Mishkat)
(3) You quote the following hadith:
"A Woman may be married for four reasons: property, status, beauty and religion (piety). Maffy to the one who is religious (pious) and prosper." (Bukhari and Muslim)
The hadith states a fact that women were being married for the above reasons. The hadith is actually an instruction for the Muslim to marry a woman who is pious and do not look to marry women for their property, status or beauty. How in Gods great name are you finding something sinister in that! It truly is beyond me!
(4) You then go onto state that women are brought down to the same level of a dog and donkey, you mention some hadith. I have not checked the hadith in question but again you appear to be spinning the contents of the hadith and you appear to completely MISS the point.
Come on, Lets be frank and honest about this, Islam does NOT say that women are Dogs, nor does Islam say that women are equal to Donkeys. To put things into perspective I can tell you that I have also heard some islamic scholars state that if you think of a donkey or animal whilst reading salah, your salah is not broken but if you think of the Prophet Muhammad (SAWS) your salah IS broken.
WHY? Does that mean that the Holy Prophet is lower than these animals (Allah forbid). NO. It does not. The meaning is that the Prophet is such a holy and exalted personality that there is a risk of committing shirk if you think of the Prophet when in actual fact you should be concentrating on Allah (because salah is for Allah alone).
Now, if you're a woman and I suspect that you are I would take those hadith as compliments. You see, you ladies are so beautiful, charming and attractive that a man can get distracted from his prayers very easily by your presence! (a kind of like "You Go Girl" kind of moment) It does not mean anything as ridiculous as you contend.
Please wake up honey. Peace.
Oh Yeah, I forgot to mention,
Oh Yeah, I forgot to mention, the hadith about the woman being stoned to death and the man getting lashed.
The Explanation for different punishments:
The man was unmarried and committed pre-marital sex. The woman was married and committed adultery. The punishment for pre-marital sex is 100 lashes and the punishment for adultery is stoning to death.
If the man was married and had had sex with the lady then he would have also been stoned. moreover, if the woman was not married and had had sex with the man she would have also been simply lashed 100 times. No discrimination here my darling!
You see, objectivity, is a beautiful thing. But that's not your game.
Why would a Prophet from God
Why would a Prophet from God would allow a barbaric practice like stoning.
A state has no business is people's bedrooms. If some woman has committed adultry then she has wronged her husband. Her husband can simply divorce her, why kill her????
In comparison, this is what Jesus said about stoning women. 'Those who havn't sin throw the first stone.'
Muhammed had no character at all when it came to women. What will you expect from a man who slept with his own foster niece and his own daughter in law. Disgusting!!!!
Thank you for the well
Thank you for the well researched and written article that conveys the truth behind the appalling and obvious mistreatment of women within Islam. It is great that people ignore the false pleas from Muslim apologists who are obviously trying to con us since they've already conned themselves. All one needs to do is actually look at the state of women in the most fundamentalist Islamic nations to know that this endless apologizing by brainwashed Muslims represents just so much bleating.
These Hadith quotes from
These Hadith quotes from Sahih Bukhari prove how truly insane and despicable pathetic little Muhammad really was. Muhammad was a straight-up criminal of the worst sort. He is the most evil, detestable human being to have ever walked the earth.
Of course some good traditions can be found in Islam but the religion on a whole is a harmful fraud of the highest degree.
The fear inducing cult of this driven Madman has been responsible for the the needless deaths and misery of billions and counting. The brainwashed Islamist devotee's who are attempting to defend and promote Mohammedanism are truly betraying themselves and humanity.
Here is another beauty.
Be prepared to laugh.
Yeah..... Muhammad was trustworthy and sane..... sure! >
Bukhari, Vol.4, Book.54, No.537
Narrated Abu Huraira:
The Prophet said "if a house fly falls in the drink of anyone of you, he should dip it (in the drink), for one of its wings has a disease and the other has the cure for the disease.
Kebirilewd, answer my
Kebirilewd, answer my requirement and question first before poping out like a mole.
Dear Poma, Yes I can and
Dear Poma,
Yes I can and will stop this anti women cancer. They need to be awakened of their mahdic/dajjalic delusions. They need to told allah is nothing but a fairy and if there is Ali Sina is much a better god than allah sinner. Amin.
"They need to told allah is
"They need to told allah is nothing but a fairy and if there is Ali Sina is much a better god than allah sinner. Amin."
I agree with the first one, but don't agree in the second one. You know, muslim always make stupid accusation that non muslim or ex muslim in this site are the worshipper of Ali sina. The "prophet - worshipped" relationship is programmed in their brain, they can't even think other than that.
"Does Allah really value
"Does Allah really value women?"
Yes, he does, but no higher than an object and cattle. It's still a value, isn't it. Without woman who are going to produce the jihadist?
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does allah really value
does allah really value women? yes, half of men, better than black dog
kabirlaw
***The hadith is actually an instruction for the Muslim to marry a woman who is pious and do not look to marry women for their property, status or beauty***
unless floppy c*ck mohamed a.k.a allah getting erection again, then you can marry anything you want, like what mohamed put in surah below
33:50 O Prophet! We have made lawful to........., those whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom Allah has assigned to thee; ........this only for thee, and not for the Believers (at large); We know what We have appointed for them as to their wives and the captives whom their right hands possess;- in order that there should be no difficulty for thee. And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
Give me one good reason, why should we follow a god that act like a PIMP instead of spiritual leader?
in marital, allah values
in marital, allah values women even less, they only worth 1/4 of man, 1 man = 4 wifes
Kabirlaw, thank you for your
Kabirlaw, thank you for your reaction, which helps us to see the perspective of the Muslims on equal rights for men and women.
But if in the years before 1991 white people would have said to be all for equal rights of whites and blacks, but then still would have supported the South African apartheids-regime, their opinion wouldn’t be very credible. They only would have had the excuse that the ANC-people, who were really in favor of equal rights for whites and blacks, really were agents of the Soviet Union, intent on making South Africa a communist country. That excuse they lost when the Soviet Union tottered and fell, in 1991.
Now it is imperative to know your stance on Afghanistan. Because the Americans with NATO (and president Obama fully encourages this) are really for the right of the Afghan people to vote whomever they want in office, and for equal rights for women, with equal education and opportunities. The only opponent to this is the Taliban, which organization is against fair elections and wants to oppress women. It has this year destroyed 200 schools in the Swat valley, it clearly does not want girls to be educated, to let women have equal rights.
Yes, you can claim all sorts of excuses like corruption of Karzai/ government/ ulterior motives of the Americans etc. but you cannot prove that the intention of Obama is not good, and just for fair elections, equal rights for women. So if you choose to remain neutral and not in favor of NATO’s intervention you just prove that Islamic domination is more important to you than equal rights for women. Which the Taliban so outrageously trample, while you are then not opposed to Taliban. This alone makes your defending Islam concerning women’s rights null and void.
Same with Iran, if you do not support the demonstrators, among whom there were many women, hoping for equal rights, which by law and custom the ayatollahs and revolutionary guards are definitely not giving them, you also show which side you really are on. Meaning on the side of Islam being in charge, no matter how unjust, and not on the side of women who crave equal rights.
Since allah is Satan the
Since allah is Satan the Devil according to the quran 3:54 women are the least of his concern. He deceived Eve first and had no respect for her and she was a creation of the true God.
Muhammad was a prophet of an evil man/god Satan and had no respect for women. He married an old woman and used her money. He waitied until she died before marrying the other 20 women and his 1st cousin Zaynab. His adoppted brother abu bakr, girl aisha was what he wanted since she was a baby in blankets and allah show her to Mo. This means allah was a pedophile showing a little baby to an old rusty behind arab.
Poma wrote a great article
Poma wrote a great article and he (I think he is Pakistani Christian man?) already wrote that due to lack of room he only could give a little bit of material. I so thank him for showing the world how some Muslims are such "Patriarchalists" or "Male Chauvinists". And at the same time they are Theocrats, meaning they prefer rule of the few over the many, if those few apply the rules of God. But in practice of course, they are just tyrants, in it for themselves and their cronies.
It would be great if the feminists of this world could unite, get enthousiastic about a supreme goal, namely gender-equality worldwide, preferably accompanied by democracy worldwide. It would be great if many women were to support this. Also through voting for political parties with this high on their agenda. If NATO employed many great women-fighters, including jetfighter-pilots, in its fight against the Taliban, those arch-patriarchalists and theocrats. And could it be possible that many Muslima's joined these feminists in their fight for gender-equality and democracy worldwide and against these patriarchalists and theocrats amongst the Muslims?
Because the Muslima's could be persuaded that an Islam is possible that is truly gender-equal and democratic, as so many apologists of Islam maintain? Well, let them prove it by practicing it and by wholeheartedly support NATO's fight against these Patriarchalist and Theocratic Taliban. Who are not all that popular in Afghanistan and Pakistan after all it seems.
"Give me one good reason, why
"Give me one good reason, why should we follow a god that act like a PIMP instead of spiritual leader?"
Because you will get eternal sex. Heaven without sex? what kind of heaven is that, it will be very boring without the chicks and semen around. allah is not a spiritual god and pedo mo was not a spiritual person. Islamic heaven is all about all worldly pleasure in 7th century transferred into another place called islamic whore heaven, no spiritual element here.
Demsci, this big mouth
Demsci, this big mouth kebirilewd's position is as clear as daylight. The big mouth supports sharia law (ex. taliban, iran, saudi, libya, somalia, hamas, al qaeda, JI, etc) and curses his nation's law. This is the nature of a muslim, no need to surprise.
To big mouth, where are my answers?
Kabirlaw, You said: "A Woman
Kabirlaw,
You said: "A Woman may be married for four reasons: property, status, beauty and religion (piety). Maffy to the one who is religious (pious) and prosper.” (Bukhari and Muslim)
The hadith states a fact that women were being married for the above reasons. The hadith is actually an instruction for the Muslim to marry a woman who is pious and do not look to marry women for their property, status or beauty. How in Gods great name are you finding something sinister in that! It truly is beyond me!a."
You argument is an oxymoron, a contradictions. The verse does indeed argue that women may be married to property, status, beauty, and religion. Piety is last on the list.
Sometimes I wonder at the twisted logic of the apologists.
Take an argument and evidence class for logical reasoning, a class I have often taught.
Posters, There is a huge
Posters,
There is a huge amount of violence in most religions, and all, I repeat all monotheistic faiths are misogynistic. There is good and bad in all religions, however, I am worried about the violence rooted in Islam being used to burn, behead, maim, and discriminate against the "other" in the name of Islam.
Muslims must reform their faith or they may be obliterated.
Dear kabirlaw: Thanx alot
Dear kabirlaw:
Thanx alot for your comments...i love to read ab8 these things and i appreiciate every type of comments...but i really dont like ppl to say any thng bad ab8 ur Religious leader...
well dear i really dont know wat you really mean...you are trying to play a card which we already played. you wanna show tht wommen have loads of value in islam.if u dont agree with these verses....thn i dont mind i like ur attitude and delete it from ur HOLY BOOKS. i dont mind.but i wrote what i read and wat i understand.if u said tht these are not islamic scriptuers.thn its not my fault.
love and Prayers for you.
Dear Demsci:
yes dear you find me rite.
Love and Prayers for you
To Aspacia: You said: You
To Aspacia:
You said:
You argument is an oxymoron, a contradictions. The verse does indeed argue that women may be married to property, status, beauty, and religion. Piety is last on the list.
I say:
My argument is neither an oxymoron nor contradictory. I'll give you a modern day example and then you relate it to the hadith above:
My Example:
Men marry women for reasons of youth, beauty, nice figure, wealth, status, position and kindness. Marry for kindness so that you may prosper.
Hardly an Oxymoron is it? Where is the contradiction in my argument? Moreover, in your haste to just try to counter my argument by any illogical means at your disposal by saying piety is last on the list, I implore you to read the hadith again and kindly note the instruction the Holy Prophet is giving of what kind of lady a Muslim should marry. You will find piety at the top of the list and there is no second on the list!
You then said:
Sometimes I wonder at the twisted logic of the apologists.
I say:
I'm not an apologist and nor is my logic twisted. It is your very mind that is twisted and hell bent on demonising Islam at any price as you have demostarted in your response. So clear your own cobwebs.
You then said:
Take an argument and evidence class for logical reasoning, a class I have often taught.
I say:
I have been taking these classes for most of my adult life. If you are a teacher in this subject then I'm Santa Claus's favourite reindeer, Rudolph.
Poma ***but i really dont
Poma
***but i really dont like ppl to say any thng bad ab8 ur Religious leader…***
i think you addressing my comment, but i can not see islam is a religion, inspired by devine attribute. instead its just a cult lead by sexual predator in his second pubirty driven by his allah's testosteron. considering what pedo mo will do to religious cleric, i think my comment is not comparison, thank you for having me here
Dear Poma You said: Thanx
Dear Poma
You said:
Thanx alot for your comments…i love to read ab8 these things and i appreiciate every type of comments…but i really dont like ppl to say any thng bad ab8 ur Religious leader…
well dear i really dont know wat you really mean…you are trying to play a card which we already played. you wanna show tht wommen have loads of value in islam.if u dont agree with these verses….thn i dont mind i like ur attitude and delete it from ur HOLY BOOKS. i dont mind.but i wrote what i read and wat i understand.if u said tht these are not islamic scriptuers.thn its not my fault.
love and Prayers for you.
I say:
If the Prophetic statement that paradise lies UNDER (not on top of or at the side of, UNDER) your mothers feet, does not tell you the value of a woman in Islam, then only God knows what retarded logic you follow. If the Holy Prophet had said that about fathers I would not have been able to get my inflated egotistical head through the door, it would be so large!
Certainty of faith is truly a gift, not everyone has it. Peace and prayers to you too.
Poma ***but i really dont
Poma
***but i really dont like ppl to say any thng bad ab8 ur Religious leader…***
i think you addressing my comment, but i can not see islam is a religion, inspired by devine attribute. instead its just a cult lead by sexual predator in his second pubirty driven by his allah's testosteron.
may be i have more respect for muslim, for whom they have been brainwashed.
considering what pedo mo will do to religious cleric, i think my comment is not comparison, thank you for having me here
Allah devalued women. Gay men
Allah devalued women.
Gay men are forgiven and given 28 boys who never bleed in paradise
gay women must die
Men get all of goodies in paradise women just go
and see men screw the 72 big breasted women
except black muslims, who are slaves and then hellfire
women are to share one man and men screw as many women as they want wives, slaves and boys\
women get nothing aND MUST COVER and men are free
Women were created STUPID by allah and Mo said so Tabari 1:280
Women are if they remain in islam and cut their vaginas out.
Dear ibnsahr: First of all
Dear ibnsahr:
First of all dear thanx for ur comments...but we all know who he was...but even thn some of the ppl in this world belive on him and on his sayings to we should value tht.....
but what he said we have to highlite so ppl should feel ashame to be called themselves as muslim.
DEAR KABIRLAW:
Love u dear you have a great attempt......again but again u fail urself....i dont know y we non-muslims have more grip on islam thn u muslims...actually at the very begining we non-muslims really dont read even we dont have intrust to see wat Quran and Hadith says....but whn u ppl started ur card thn we reilize yes they are rite we have to do wat they really want us to do.... and now look....wats going here in the world....
But any how come again to the point...so Prophet Said paradise is in the feet of Mother Not Women. although Mother is also a women but here we are talking ab8 Women...okies agree with you it is for Women..
so Paradise is under the feet of Women..
but which women..i mean which type of women...coz ther are contradictions again.wat to follow and wat not too. wat to accept and wat not too.
The majority of people in hell are women.
Mohammed said, "I was shown the Hell-fire and that the majority of its dwellers are women.” Vol. 1:28, 301; Vol. 2:161; Vol. 7:124
So plz confirn for us tht either they will go in hell r in Heaven.
what ab8 this statment dear...
Women are crooks and useless creature:
AbuHuraira (Allah be pleased with him) reported Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: woman is like a rib. When you attempt to straighten it, you would break it. And if you leave her alone you would benefit by her, and crookedness will remain in her. A hadith like this is reported by another chain of narrators (Book #008, Hadith #3466)
women is jst like a bullshit in islam and nothing more thn tht...
i really dont have any harsh feelings for any body....i respect females....but wat the hell is this
Mohammed asked some women, "Isn't the witness of a woman equal to half that of a man?" The women said, "yes," He said, "This is because of the deficiency of the woman's mind. " Vol. 3:826
Mohammed to women: "I have not seen any one more deficient in intelligence and religion than you." Vol. 2:541
can u justify this...
Women are a bad omen.
Mohammed said, “Bad omen is in the woman, the house and the horse." Vol. 7:30
Women are harmful to men.
Mohammed said, "After me I have not left any affliction more harmful to men than women." Vol. 7:33
Dear Kabirlaw..
first of all search and find my other artical
converse of Adult suckling part II.
i m sure u will love this artical as well...
NOTE:
Dear frnds i jst come here to read wat u r writting and to answer you....i really dont have much time to waste for these illogical comments...plz dont mind it..but if u want to type here again...make sure next time whn ever u start typing it should be logical and according to reference..
i hope u understand wat i mean.
Dear Kabirlaw.... one more
Dear Kabirlaw....
one more thing..well if Mohammed said tht paradise is under feet of women......so ppl r so dump. hell and heaven is not our property....
its God so u ppl are so naughty,,,actually u ppl know ever body wanna go to heaven to u stop women to make arrguments...u put heaven under her feets. so kidding...
well if Pradise is underwomen feet...thn y Allah stop Mohammed not to pray for her own mom...
Kebir...kebir... poping out
Kebir...kebir... poping out again eh?
Paradise under mother's feet (mother not woman)? What a nonsense! Look at the condition of woman in islamic (hell) countries. In hell there are many woman according to pedo mo. Let me give you a real meaning about that:
paradise under MOTHER's feet (not girl or impotent woman) means that the function of a mother (fertile one) is to breed jihadists so that the jihadists can make this world into islamic's law and they can reach islamic whore heaven.
Poma,
"well if Pradise is underwomen feet…thn y Allah stop Mohammed not to pray for her own mom…"
That's because pedo mo's mother abandoned him and he hated his mother.
Kabirlaw, your points: (1) A
Kabirlaw, your points:
(1) A nice set of assertions, but not a reference given. Forgive me for being suspicious, but I wonder if those allusions you made to Allah being 'nice' about mankind (and hence women) are related to Muslims only. This would mean something slightly different, since the conditions of Islam (submission) are somewhat different for men and women.
(2) Poma gave 10 Hadith that supported here argument, two I think are dubious (including the one you mention). To oppose this you provided 3 that showed a better view. One revering mothers (not wives), one saying that the best MAN is the one who treats his wife "the best " (read according to Islamic prescription?) and one saying that the MAN who raises his daughters as a devout and obedient muslimah will go to paradise.
So forgive me, but if that is the best you can do, just one Hadith extolling mothers and the others extolling MEN who treat their wives according to the tenets of Islam and who raise dutiful daughters, is no refutation at all.
(3) Now, I will agree with you that the hadith about what sort of women to marry is saying "marry the devout one" rather than anything else and so I also think that Poma mis-understood this one, though it does (by omission) bare the interpretation she put on it.
(4) Poma's point (supported by Aisha) is that if a woman "cuts off" a MAN's prayer by her proximity just like a dog or a donkey or a Jew then that implies an equating of the three things, at least, so Aisha herself says!
"‘Narrated Aisha: The things which annul prayer were mentioned before me (and those were): a dog, a donkey and a Woman. I said, “You have compared us (women) to donkeys and dogs. By Allah!"
Now the important point here is that this hadith is 'in triplicate' with separate Isnads and minor variation in matn, thus it is (almost) certainly correct.
It may be over-stating the case from this to actually maker the eqation between women and animals, but, whatever else can be said, it is denigrating tp women at least.
Your point about thinking about mohammed whilst praying breaking Salah but THINKING about donkeys doesn't. This is clearly to do with idolatory in the form of 'Mohammed worship'.
These cases (Mohammed vs women/donkeys) are not analagous however, in the case of a woman her presence "cuts off" the prayer, thinking about Mohammed is likely to cause shirk ("breaking" the Salah).
You wrote: "Now, if you’re a woman and I suspect that you are I would take those hadith as compliments. You see, you ladies are so beautiful, charming and attractive that a man can get distracted from his prayers very easily by your presence! (a kind of like “You Go Girl” kind of moment).
Oh dear! And I suppose a Mussalman at prayer also can have a "You go Donkey" moment (how very Shrek!), or "You go dog!" moment. How about a "You go Jew!" or "You go Magian" moment?
Really, Kabirlaw your interpretation of these Ahadith is risible.
The "cutting off" of Salah is the breaking of the connection between the 'Salahee' and Allah by the PHYSICAL presence of a woman (or donkey etc). How is this 'wonder' accomplished?
Now, I don't know the answer, but I'd guess that becoming "haram" in the sense of ritual uncleanliness would do it, how say you?
Hey kebir... see my new
Hey kebir... see my new response to you in article "will muslim be the caused of armageddon". Do that first before you act like smart ass liar.
"Oh dear! And I suppose a
"Oh dear! And I suppose a Mussalman at prayer also can have a “You go Donkey” moment (how very Shrek!), or “You go dog!” moment. How about a “You go Jew!” or “You go Magian” moment?"
That's the result when you talk to a liar. A muslim said while praying, "Wow donkey or dog, you are so beautiful so i got distracted. A bestial muslim!!! Let me give you the real meaning behind mo's words:
Donkeys, dogs, (animals) and woman (human treated like cattle - monthly period) are unclean. Only muslim man is "clean".
Poma August 18, 2009 • 5:14 a
Poma
August 18, 2009 • 5:14 a SAID:
"but which women..i mean which type of women…coz ther are contradictions again.wat to follow and wat not too. wat to accept and wat not too."
That is exactly what mad mo do, contradict. He tells his killer sidekicks in his "sermon" how to treat and behave around woman. Then he goes whith them, raid villiages and kill the woman's husbands, and rape them that same day. This man is vile and despicable.
Kabirlaw can do his languistic gymnastics all he wants, mad mo is a false prophet.
Pedo bastard mo was indeed
Pedo bastard mo was indeed had a childish mentality and that mentality is cloned to his followers. Just look at this big mouth kebirilewd, a genuine coward and liar, never answered or proved anything and always run.
The bottom line is woman is
The bottom line is woman is bad and used as a tool, period.
POMA.. YOU AREA BIG IDIOT..
POMA.. YOU AREA BIG IDIOT.. AND FOOOOOOL... YOUR MOTHER IS UNLUCKY THAT SHE HAS KIND OF FOOL GIVEN A BIRTH TO YOU A EVIL MAN..
WHEN YOUR MOTHER FOR 9MONTHS CARRIED IN HER CARRIAGE. WHO SERVING YOU FOOD AND WATER YOU IDIOT TELL ME HONESTLY.. THE SAME GOD WHO CREATED US AND CREATED YOUR MOTHER AND YOU AND ME AND ALL THESE WORLDS.. BY SEEING THE TRUTH AND BY USING OUR BRAIN THIS ONLY TRUTH. ALLAH IS SUPER POWER OVER ALL THINGS IN THIS WORLD AND HERE AFTER.. WHEN THE GOD CREATED A MAN IRRESPECTIVE OF THE RELIGION HE WHO KNOWS TO SERVE THE ENTIRIE WORLD DURING YOUR STAY IN YOUR MOTHERS CARRIAGE AND EVEN LATER.. AT THIS SCENARIO IF YOU DON'T HAVE FAITH ON ALLAH AND DONT BELEIVE IN ONE GOD.. THEN YOU WILL BE IN THE PLACE OF HELL FOR EVER .. JUST COUNT YOUR DAYS .. EVERY ONE IS BRON TO DIE.. YOU ARE BORN TO DEATH. YOU DONT KNOW WHEN CAN YOU JUSTIFY DO YOU HAVE FREEDOM ON THAT WILL YOU FIGHT WITH YOUR DEATH.. WHEN THE TIME COMES FOR YOU WITH ALL BAD DEEDS.. YOU WILL GO THE HELL.. I WANTED TO TELL SOMETHING TO YOU SEE THAT IDIOT IN EGYPT.. SORRY.. I HAVE TO CALL YOU PEOPLE ARE IDIOTS. BECUASE YOU ARE THE MOST SOUGHT DOGLY ACTS PEOPLE WILL SEE THE HELL FIRE WHO IS AGAINST THE GOD. HAVE YOU EVER THINK OF THE EXISTANCE OF THIS WORLD AND NATURE A ND SKY AND WATER AND OVER ALL AROUND US LIVING THINGS AND NATURAL THINGS.. FIRST YOU DONT HAVE FAITH ON THE GOD. THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD THAT IS ALLAH. WHO IS RULING THESE ENTIRE UNIVERSE.. LET US ASSUME THAT AS PER YOUR IDOLOGY IF YOU HAVE MORE IDOLS TWO THREE OR EVEN MORE WHAT YOU BELIEVE LIKE YOU ARE AT PRESENT. PHIRAOUN WHAT HAPPENED DO YOU KNOW THAT WHY HIS DEATH BODY BELONGS TO SEVERAL THOUSAND YEARS EVEN NOW LOOKS LIKE HIS BODY HE DEAD SEVERAL MONTHS AS HE DEAD.. THIS EVIL IS A SYMBOL OF EVIL MANS LIKE YOU. SCIENTISTS HAVE FOUND MAY BE 200 YEARS BACK.. BUT IT WAS SAID APPROX.IMATLY 1500 YEARS BACK WHEN ISALM STARTED. THIS IS THE ONE WITNESS INFRONT OF YOU THE DEATH BODY IF YOU WANT TO SEE WHICH WAS KEPT IN THE LAB.. THE SCIENTISTS WHO DID R&D they reverted to ISLAM.. what do you think they are fools.. NO.. You are the big fools and IDIOTS on this earth..
Coming the value of women.. HONESTLY YOU TELL ME HOW MUCH RESPECT YOU ARE GIVING TO THE WOMEN.. YOU BLOODY MOO.. AND YOU IDIOTS.. YOU ARE PLAYING WITH WOMEN AS A TOOL SEXUAL INTERCOURSE AND ILLEAGAL WIVES OR GIRL FRIENDS.. YOU WANT SEE THE WOMEN ALWAYS SHOW THEIR PRIVATE PARTS.. THAT IS THE RESPECT YOU ARE GIVING THE WOMEN. AND WILL YOU KEEP QUITE YOUR WIFE OR DAUGHTER OR MOTHER COMMITS TO ILLEGAL INTERCOURSE WITH SOME ONE.. YOU IDIOTS ARE TAKING WOMEN ALWAYS AS A SEX SIMBOL. TO AVOID THIS COWARDLYNESS MAN AND WOMEN BOTH ARE PUNISHED IN ISLAM.. SO THAT IN FUTURE NO ONE COMMITS AGAIN. IF YOU LEAVE IT LIKE YOU PEOPLE DO LIKE ACTING ANIMALS.. THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE ACCORDING TO YOUR TRADITIONS AND LIKES. YOU HATE IN ISLAM BECAUSE WOMEN IS GIVEN IMPORTANCE AND SECURITY OVER HER LIFE NOT ONLY COVERING HER BODY ALSO WHICH LEADS TO LEGAL SEXUAL RELATIONSHIP WITH THEIR HUSBANDS.. TO BRING JUSTICE THE PUNISHMENT IS GIVEN TO BOTH MAN AND WOMAN.. DO YOU KNOW THAT.. FOOOOL.
RAISIN HEAD... YOU ARE BIG IDIOT WHO IS CHOOSING THE EVIL AND GETTING IN TO THE HANDS OF EVIL AND HELL.. WHERE YOU LIVE FOREVER IF YOU DONT HAVE A FAITH ON ALLAH. *** YOU ARE A BIG IDIOTS WETHER YOU ARE CHRISTIAN OR HINDU.. IF YOU ARE HINDU.. YOU TELL ME HONESTLY.. YOU HAVE 30 MILLION GODS.. YOU ARE A STUPID AND BIG IDIOT THAT YOU DONT UNDERTAND THE TRUTH. YOU ARE GOING TO DIE NEARING YOU.. AND COUNT THE DAYS.. WHEN THE DAY COME YOU WILL NOT GET A SINGLE MIN. WAITE. KRISHNA HAS 12000 WIVES.. HOW COME THIS FELLOW HAS BLACK BODY SINGLE HEADED TWO HANDS TWO LEGS INTERACTS THOUSANDS OF LADIES IS A FIRST PART. AND ANOTHER QUESTION I WANT TO TELL YOU IDIOT.. HOW WILL A MONKEY CARRIES A BIG HILL IN HAND AND FLYING IN A AIR.. HONESTLY YOU TELL ME.. EVEN IF YOU HAVE POWER BECOME A MONKEY OR A DOG AND SHOW ME 100KG STONE IN YOUR HAND.. OR ASK THIS IDOLS AND YOUR DREAMLY CREATURE TO GIVE YOU STRENTH.. NOW I WILL ASK WHERE ARE THIS A BLOODY SINGLE MONKEY LIKE THIS ON EARTH. WHY THIS MONKEY'S HAVE DISAPPEARED.. WHAT IS THE LOGIC OF THIS IDOLS WHEN EVER THEY COME THE COME OTHER WISE DISAPPEAR.. IS THAT.. IF THIS IS TRUE YOU SHOW EITHER A ELEPHANT HEADED VINAYAKA OR ATLEAST SHOW ME ATLEAST MONKEY HEADED MAN.. IS SO MUCH POWER.. WHY YOUR IDOLS HAS TO DISPPEAR.. ARE THIS THAT THESE FELLOWS ARE WORREID TO COME NEAR YOU.. OK FINE LET US TAKE YOU ARE CHRISTIAN OR ANY OTHER REILIGION IF OTHER THAN ISLAM.. NOW YOU TELL ME IDIOT HONESTLY.. WHY WILL GOD KILLS HIS OWN SON.. OR WHY WILL JESUS(PEACE BE UPON HIM) DISAPPEARED IF HE HAS SUPER NATURAL POWERS..IT IS SIMPLE THAT HE DOES'NT HAVE ANY SUPER POWER ON HIS OWN..WHY WILL GOD KILLS HIS OWN SON.. IT IS ALLAH WHO HAS GIVEN POWER TO THE JESUS(PEACE BE UPON HIM) ALSO LET ME TELL YOU ARE IDIOT AND BIG FOOL ON THIS EARTH.. I MEAN TO SAY IS THAT ONLY ALLAH HAS THE SUPER POWER WHO SENT MESSENGERS TO TEACH US TO UNDERSTAND THAT TRUE ALLAH... YOU TELL ME IF YOU ARE CHRISTIAN.. I WILL tell you one more thing.. that We give so much respect to Essah(jesus) peace be upon him and the way we respect you will not respect a single word. YOU ARE A BIG IDIOTS ON THIS EARTH.. THIS IS ALSO ONE COWARDLY ACT TO WORSHIP MORE THAN ONE. AS PER YOUR RELIGION YOU ARE TALKING TO BOOST THE MORALE OF YOUR RELIGION.. YOU CANT DEBATE ISLAM.. OUR ISLAM IS PURE AND TRUE FOREVER UNTIL THE JUDGEMENT DAY.. OR END OF DAYS. AS PER CHRISTIANITY THE EARTH IS FLAT.. WHERE THE EARTH IS FLAT... YOU TELL ME HONESTLY YOU IDIOT... AS PER HINDU SCRIPTURES.. EARTH IS CARRIED BY 7 HEAD SNAKE.. ALSO THEY BELIEVE THAT NON-SENSE WHEN THEY CHANGE THE EARTH FROM ONE HEAD TO ANOTHER HEAD.. YOU GET EARTH QUAKES.. OR SUNAMI.. THIS JUST ONLY ONE.. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE YOU THOUSANDS OF EXAMPLES LIKE THIS IN ALL OTHER RELIGIONS EXCEPT ISLAM.. BECAUSE ONLY ISLAM IS TRUE RELIGION.. OTHER RELIGIONS IDONT DENY THAT BUT YOU HAVE CHANGED YOUR RELIGIOS BOOKS WHEN YOUR THINK YOU WANTS. IN HINDU THEY BELIEVE IN DIFFERENT WRITERS WHO WROTE THEIR HOLY BOOKS.. i.e. RAMAYAN(THERE ARE TWO DIFF. VIEWS AND BOOKS OR MAY BE MORE) AND i.e.BHAGATGEETHA (THERE ARE TWO DIFF. VIEWS OR MORE ) BECAUSE I HAVE STUDIED THIS AT CHILD HOOD.. I KNOW THAT THEY ARE NOTHING BUT STORIES.. you also DREAM ONE RAMAYAN AND BHAGAWATGEETA.. that also will become one HOLY BOOK..
G-BLADE.. you are another BIG idiot.. YOU ARE A LIER.. I WANT TO BLADE YOUR COMMENTS AND YOU TO BRING IN SOME LIGHT. YOU ARE BIG IDIOT AND FOOOOOLL........ MOHAMMED (PEACE BE UPON HIM) HAS TOOK PART IN WARS.. IT WAS THE JUSTICE AND THE MORALE OF THAT PERIOD WAS THE CONQUER ANY KINGDOM.. TO STOP THE COWARDLY PEOPLE LIKE YOU AND BRING INTO LIGHT.
YOU BLADING YOUR OWN SOUL.. YOU ARE LIER.. MOHAMMED(PEACE BE UPON HIM) ONLY A GREAT HUMAN BEING ON THESE WORLD.. HE IS ONLY TRUE MAN SHOWED THAT TRUE PRINCIPLES AND RULES OF A HUMANITY... DO YOU KNOW THAT YOU ARE IDIOT.. DONT YOU UNDERSTAND THAT SATI WAS A PRACTICE IN INDIA BEFORE INDEPENDENCE AND THIS COWARDLY ACT WAS STOPPED BY RAJA RAM MOHAN ROY IS A BRAHMIN. WHAT MADE HIM STOP THIS ACT.. YOU WERE KILLING WOMEN ALIVE IN THE FIRE AFTER HUSBAND'S DEATH.. WHY YOU KEEP IDIOTS.. COVERING BEHIND.. ALOS YOU IDIOT YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT RAJA RAM MOHAN ROY IS A STUDENT OF A ARABIC AND ARABIC PROFESSOR WHO LEARNED QURAN AND IMPLEMENTED SUCH SATI (KILLING WOMEN IN FIRE AFTER HUSBAND'S DEATH) TO STOP. HE SAID THE GREAT HOLY BOOK IS QURAN.. HE SAID THE BEST BOOK READ AND KNOW IS QURAN AND ARABIC.. BEING A BRAHMIN HINDU HE IS A PROFESSOR OF ARABIC.. HE SAID IF ANY RELIGION THEN ISLAM THE BEST.. UNFORTUNATLEY HE WISH TO REVERT BUT THINGS AROUND HIM NOT PERMITED. ******* THE VERY IMPORTANT THING**** THE GREAT MAHATMA GANDHI WHO LEARNED QURAN AND UNDERSTANDS AND IMPLEMENTED 3 THINGS ( DONT LISTEN TO BAD 2. DONT SEE BAD 3. DONT TALK BAD) AND EVEN THE TRUTH HE WAS TALKED ABOUT ONLY FROM THE HOLY BOOK THAT IS QURAN.. UNFORTUNATELY HE ALSO TIME IS NOT PERMITTED HIM BUT HE KNOWS THE VALUE OF ISLAM AND QURAN.. THE SATYA GRAHA WHAT HE SAID.. THE GREAT MOHAMMED(PEACE BE UPON HIM) IS SHOWED THE WAY IN THE BEGINING OF ISLAM.. 1500 YEARS BACK..
this post made me roll my
this post made me roll my eyes. If you are going to write an article and attempt to reveal the truth about muslim women, might I suggest doing it from an unbiased perspective and include proper research. yes, yes, i know you've included hadiths, but you have added your own commentary to those hadiths without properly understanding them. the hadiths and the Quran are kept in arabic for a reason - so the real message will not be distorted. when they are translated to any other language, it is essential to read them along with extensive commentary from islamic scholars who understand both the arabic language and the historical context. better luck next time. (I am presuming here that you are not an islamic scholar-forgive me if i am wrong).
No, that was Christ who
No, that was Christ who showed us the true rules to humanity
He....Caira.. .......It is
He....Caira.. .......It is not the Jesus peace be upon him.. It was the guidence and the path of Allah which has sent thru messengers. It not only the jesus peace be upon him said.. It was also revealed by most the messengers several times and 124000 messengers peace be upon them. Alhamdullillah Mohammad peace be upon is the last messenger and prophet peace be upon him. Allah has sent the revelation and good rupes and guidence to the humanity and finally by Mohammed (peace be upon him).
first of all will show me one real book which is in Hebrew originally Enjeel(bible).. You people have man made the book later as a bible. Bible is not a word of Allah. Only Quran and some books like Enjeel(now it is bible which changed by you), Tourath, Zaboor whcih are mentioned in Quran..
Girl, You do not need to
Girl,
You do not need to understand arabic to understand hadith or be a scholar. Many muslim scholars have a superficial (if any) knowledge of Arabic i.e. Iranian, Indian, Pakistani, Turkish, European and American scholars. Yet they form opinions and study Islam and offer religious verdicts and fatwas.
Therefore you statement is in conflict with reality and the quran itself. I pressume you have not studied the Quran or else you would have known the following:
The Quran makes it very clear that it is easy to understand and that Arabic was chosen simply because that was the language of the people where the quran was revealed.
Yes Arabic words often have multiple meanings but the hadith collections available online have actually been translated by arabs to english and the collections are widely available on islamic websites. Should you then not write your objection to them?
"If you are going to write an article and attempt to reveal the truth about muslim women, might I suggest doing it from an unbiased perspective and include proper research"
But is not every opinion biased?
"when they are translated to any other language, it is essential to read them along with extensive commentary from islamic scholars who understand both the arabic language and the historical context"
You then ask people to read the th islamic scholars' commentary, but how do you know their commentary is not biased? Or do you believe that muslim scholars are infallible?
There are many scholars out there who understand the arabic language as well as historical context of Islam and middleeast. They are not all muslims, mind you. But you seem to subscribe to the idea, that one should study islam by reading and accepting what muslim scholars claim. That does not make any logical sense and allows no room for criticism as you would be bound by the words of these scholars who are infamous for often making contradictory and false statements in order to hide the unpleasentaries around Islam and islamic sources of reference.
Although your post did not make me roll my eyes, it did however strike me a standard mode of denial that anything could be, say, unpleasent, in conflict, negative or worthy of criticism with regards to Islam (or any other religion).
Do you master arabic? Why don't you look at the hadiths and sources used and give your understanding. Maybe you could also explain why english versions of hadith are used by all major fatwa websites and Q&A websites for muslims, where the scholars will take hadiths and use it at face value to prove their opinon. For instance the prohibition on alcohol, will be accompnied by the hadiths, in which the prophet Muhammad curses those who consume alchol and where he forbade. No hidden or complicated meaning.
Also have you studied all the hadith collections along with the extensive commentaries by muslim scholars and if not, then how can you truly know about islam and how can you submit to islam?
Best wishes
Bible = injeel Torah =
Bible = injeel
Torah = Torat
Calling somebody's holy book changed and corrupted and untrue is not becoming. Other people could make the same claim about the Quran.
In the Quran you are asked to show respect to christians and jews and anybody with a separate faith. You have your faith, they have theirs.
To AFFAS, "IF YOU ARE HINDU..
To AFFAS,
"IF YOU ARE HINDU.. YOU TELL ME HONESTLY.. YOU HAVE 30 MILLION GODS.. YOU ARE A STUPID AND BIG IDIOT THAT YOU DONT UNDERTAND THE TRUTH."
I was left flabbergasted to read your comment.
You mentioned the above, can you quote any verses from any of the hindu scriptures that support your point? But I can. In Siva Purana/Vishnu Purana and also in Upashids, it is mentioned "I am ONE and ONLY, Everything comes from me and in many forms" If you still have doubt google Naik's youtube and listen to his explaination.YES, he used it to spread ISLAM but he did mentioned about this point.
"BECAUSE I HAVE STUDIED THIS AT CHILD HOOD.. I KNOW THAT THEY ARE NOTHING BUT STORIES"
You mentioned you studied this/these in your childhood.What you mean by studied them.You read the stories right?That's why , you only know the stories.I did mentioned before Most of HINDUS and EX HINDUS only read the stories but they never find the messages behind them.
Can you imagine >5000 years ago, the rishis write a description about the moral value?? Do you think people would have understood them?
CAN YOU UNDERSTAND THIS MESSAGE.
"The xenoth is to girbble the pock and stremed the system so it won't idle"
If you can understand them, good but if you don't understand , admit it, so I will explain.
PEACE BE WITH YOU
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To Moo!! Can you talk or do
To Moo!!
Can you talk or do live chatting with me. I think you have a got lot of misconsceptions about Islam. I advice you not to use bad words or foul language against any religion. Be a humanbeing first, and follow the rules of Humanity.. If you have got any doubts about any religion including islam, talk to the person who has got good knowledge about their religion.
I again suggests you to avoid using bad mouth words against my religion ISLAM... Even I can do the same about yours, but Allah and quran does not teach hateredness or revert back in the same manner. Islam teaches to respect all religions irrespective of caste or creed.
I know you are murmuring all these nonsense without having gone through the proper knowledge, and I think you are simply taking some type of revenge by posting all these irrelevants.
Avoid doing all these, and I pray to Allah to make you a good human being first and make your heart and mind clean and remove all the misconceptions about my religion....
Otherwise give me your Yahoo messanger ID or gmail talk, so that I can be in touch with you lively.
Take Care
"I think you have a got lot
"I think you have a got lot of misconsceptions about Islam"
Study this site first. I heard that too many.
"I advice you not to use bad words or foul language against any religion."
Curious, you picked me from many posters (few of them are even more harsh than me) in this site. I don't use "bad" words to any religions (others than islam). My "bad" words are special to islam. If revealing the truth is bad according to you than you need to study more. My attitude is not just instant made, but through a series of observation of events, actions, articles, watching muslim's behavior, etc, etc.
"Be a humanbeing first, and follow the rules of Humanity."
I am already a human, why don't you judge a human from their action not their mouth (harsh criticism). The rule of humanity is haram for you muslim, it's allah's rule you should follow.
"Even I can do the same about yours,"
Be my quest. It's not new to me, the fact is muslim always started it first. Why don't you see muslim comments here (the bad one)?
"I know you are murmuring all these nonsense without having gone through the proper knowledge"
Baseless assumption. You assumed that i don't know anything about islam. Typical apologist.
"Avoid doing all these, and I pray to Allah to make you a good human being first and make your heart and mind clean and remove all the misconceptions about my religion…"
Refute the challenge of this site first. Click the challenge and post your rebuttal to Ali Sina.
Dear AFFAS: Thanx alot for
Dear AFFAS:
Thanx alot for you comments..well i didnt get much time to read ...well u started from the very begining a very aggresive statment,,,,,tht i m idot....i dont mind tht....but first of all do let me know where i m Wrong...Kabirlaw..tried a Good attempt i dont know where HE/She gone...but any how...do come again and reply me with comments which are ok with the articl....plz do read again and reply me the way u want..but should be athentic and from Hadith and Quran......i bet u here i m not to put harsh things...but to relize ppl where thy are...
so hope next time when u come...you come with a debate
Dear Girl:
Thanx for your commments...again i have no issue with yuor thoughts...ya i m not muslim and i Praise God for this...otherwise it whould be very difficult for me to accept the reality...next thing ab8 my writtings...you said its not attentic coz of my own opinons....at some point i agree with you.....
like it is written beat you wife so tht she dont get hurt....
but on other hand their is a hadith in which Ayesha said prophet Mohammed Hit me on my chest and it hurts me alot...now if u r a female....thn medicaly it is proved tht female chest is very sensitve part of the body...and hitting on her chest...wat does it mean...again to be honest i really dont agreey with the hadiths,coz thy were written after the death of Mohammed..and may b after 600 years....by muslim and bukhari...and wat thy collected thy desrtoyd most of thm.....who told thm these are correct and these are not....to b honest...there are two islams....
One from Quran
and the Other from Hadiths....
which one to Follow....
and Which one not to....
both are contradicting with each other....
surly you ppl need Proves...there are lots of Proves...
Like miracls of mohammed....he stated in Quran...tht Quran is the only Miracil
but hadiths states many miricals
so which you are going to follow....
Quran r hadith...
and which is attentic
QUran r hadith
and which hadith is attentic..
wat is the proof...no proof here
to expalin
this is all a drama
hope u dont mind
if u have any thng to say come and have a debet
chose a topic and i m here
To Kabirlaw The Qu'ran states
To Kabirlaw
The Qu'ran states everything and its opposite. The few 'good' parts you will find are taken from the Bible, the problem is producing a passage which contradicts another from the Qu'ran doesn't prove anything other than the fact this book is nonsensical.
There are far many more passages degrading women than the opposite way round.
{A Woman may be married for four reasons: property, status, beauty and religion (piety). Maffy to the one who is religious (pious) and prosper.” (Bukhari and Muslim)}
It's clearly stated that a woman MAY BE MARRIED for any of these reasons. If you choose to be blind, ask yourself why your God cast a veil over your eyes.
Women are treated as inferior at all times. You just have to live in a Muslim country and have been a Muslim female to know this. Experience speaks louder than any words.
{Now, if you’re a woman and I suspect that you are I would take those hadith as compliments. You see, you ladies are so beautiful, charming and attractive that a man can get distracted from his prayers very easily by your presence! (a kind of like “You Go Girl” kind of moment) It does not mean anything as ridiculous as you contend.}
What patronising and superficial nonsense! I can't believe how low we have to get. Some women are ugly, others are beautiful, most are average and the same goes for men. Women get as much turned on by men as men do by women. Women tend to favour buttocks, lips, eyes, hands, arms, and tend to linger on the shadow of men's private parts. How come men don't nullify a woman's prayer then? And how come men are not veiled then according to Islamic pseudo-logic?
Women don't want to be put on a pedestal. It's easy to fall off it and break your ankle. You are offering a vision of women which doesn't go beyond the fake fashion covers of Western magazines currently being rejected in favor of a more realistic view of women. Stop sticking us women in a convenient bag labelled 'beautiful, charming and attractive'. We don't want to be reduced to what suits you. We are all human beings and the difference between a man and a woman is less than 1%, yep, just a chromosome. The rest is the result of education. Muslim women are brought up to become housewives. They shave on their wedding day, become pregnant and end up at home raising their kids for the most part since this is the function assigned to them by Islam. There's nothing wrong with raising your kids but there's everything wrong with this being the lawful limit to a human being of the female gender because they don't have a choice for the vast majority.
As to men having the right to marry up to 4 women, common, I have a Muslim friend who's got serious problems with this since her boyfriend got married to someone and just had a kid and wants her to be his second wife. He married the first one to have money, a 'prosperous' wife...My Muslim friend said NO WAY. She can't accept this. She believes that when you love someone, you don't relegate them to a function. She doesn't want to share. And why should she? Who does this guy think he is to confine other human beings to parts he's selected, disregarding people's needs?
Regards from a female EX MUSLIM.
Women in Islam
Yes i agree! I'm also a Muslim female and the inequality is too obvious to ignore. I have read so many books written by/about middle-eastern women and the abuse they have endured not to mention the issue of honour killings. What gives a person a right to take someone else's life? How can any brother or father ever do such a thing??
Why should a man be allowed to have up to 4 wives? I mean not that i would want to have 4 husbands - one is more than enough to deal with. Would a man be prepared to share his wife with another man?? No i dont think so! I read that the reason a woman can't have 4 husbands is because she won't know who the father of her child is? Ok fair point. However what about the hygiene factor? How would the husband know his wives are chaste? what if one or more has an infection or something? He would be passing it on to the others! its like legalised promiscuity!
A man can marry a non Muslim woman but she doesn't have to convert. If this is the case then how can the man uphold an Islamic household? Her ideology will clearly conflict with islamic views so how can this be reconciled? A woman can't marry a non muslim for this reason - the man is the educator and the children will follow the man's religion. The wife may end up abandoning her own beliefs and follow her husband's. He won't believe in the prophet but the non muslim woman won't believe in that either!? So what's the point of marrying a non muslim then?? If a man is devout he wouldnt marry a non muslim to begin with! Also what if the man dies or leaves his wife? What is the woman supposed to do then?? She has every right to educate and teach her children too! The man is not always the perfect role model. How many drink, do drugs, sleep around etc So are you telling me that the wife should just ignore all this or be expected to join in??? Why is a woman's chastity more important than a man's??
You know the roles of women have changed over the years - you can't apply what was written 1000's of years ago to this day and age. What women is going to allow herself to be beaten - unless he is willing to go to jail?? What women is going to submit to any man?? I'm sure that in the fight to gain equality - has even included muslim women! Dr Zakir pointed out its against Islam for a woman to be the ruler of a country?? What about Benazir Bhutto eh?? The reason being women are too emotional!? Oh and a man's temperamental nature is far better is it? Choose war everytime! Perhaps if women had ruled - the world woudn't be in the appalling state it is today!
Oh i'm digressing here - but i want to know - if a person who is charitable and humanitarian (similar to Mother Theresa) did not read namaaz - would he/she still go to hell? I guess everyone will then - since no one can follow a 1000 old religion to a T in this era - i'm sure everyone has gone against some doctrine or another. I've seen hijabi women presenting beauty vids on you tube.. will they go to hell too??
End of rant