Democracy vs. Mobocracy

Obama has been elected by the American people for a term of 4 years. If he turns out to be a bad president, he will not be re-elected. If the people like him enough they will re-elect him for 4 more years. That's it, after that he will not be the president. I don't understand with your obsession with Obama.

So far you have not been able to demonstrate the veracity of your words. I can understand that you do not agree with Obama's policy or his attitude towards Muslims, but for you compare him to Hitler is absolutely mean spirited, this is an insult to 6 million Jews who were killed by the Nazis.

For you to compare Obama to Hitler, you must have some reason to believe that Obama is planning to perpetrate a second holocaust against Jews. Do you have any proof? What makes you to compare him to Hitler?

I think you believe that Americans are stupid. The FBI is stupid, the US Justice Dept. is stupid. You are also loosing your credibility.

I know that Obama is ignorant about Muslims, but unfortunately, that is the case with most of the leaders in the Free World. This is most unfortunate. His growling to Muslims was pathetic. Obama ignored what the USA has done for Muslims. Without the USA, Muslims in Kosovo and Bosnia would not be free. Americans freed Kuwait from the clutches of Saddam Husein. That does not make him like Hitler. That makes him a dhimmi. Carter is a dhimmi, so is Bush and his dad.

The last paragraph of this article is significant and very clear and fairly simple:

"A man who lies to you and fools you to become president will not stop at that, he is an evil man who is capable of destroying the country from within and causing deaths to many innocent people."

God forbid, but something momentously evil is in the process of happening. All we can do is wait and watch.

This is certainly not an obsession on the part of Ali Sina.

So far this could just be an opinion and that is that Obama is a dictator in the making. Americans may not be fools but there is no doubting the fact that they are gullible like anyone of us. It is human nature and maybe a human weakness that we are always looking forward to some one to do things for us. We are always on the lookout for a messiah!

A true messiah will no doubt lead the masses on forward but he may come either with sure signs or hidden. However, a true messiah will be an exemplar as far as the higher qualities of humankind are concerned. He will certainly not tell lies to deceive.

Obama has already lied about his birth. He has lied to an entire nation. Therefore, he is an usurper and the sooner he is brought down the better. But since he has this certain ability to "sway and manipulate his emotionally charged and intellectually disengaged devotees", he will turn out to be a pied piper leading his "devotees" to doom. He is certainly not a messiah, benevolent or otherwise.

Murphy's Law is at work here:
"Anything that can go wrong will certainly go wrong." Until more and more sane minds that matter today in America come together, Obama will surely turn out to be a recipe for disaster. His first few days in office has already started showing the working of this mind.

But it is a fervent hope that history won't be repeated.

And I wonder why Ali Sina has been consistently anti Obama for the long period now. He absolutely has no patience for him. The guy has even yet to stay 3 months, even with high approval ratings for these three weeks he has stayed in office, you advocate civil disobedience and armed uprising. This site need to stay on matters related to Islam and Islam only in order to gain respect and credibility. As I hate Islam and wish to watch its doom within my lifetime, as much as I wish you change stance on issues related to Obama.

"Now it is time to persuade the military to step in. They must know whether they are taking orders from a legitimate president of from a wolf in sheep’s clothing. If they fail, the next step is civil disobedience."

Just can't believe that Mr. Ali Sina is writing this stuff. Give the guy a chance, the administration before this one destroyed the consitituation of the US, did not hear much about that. Good writing ProudChristian

Proud Christian

I am not really sure if Obama is going to deliver. Just look at what he has been doing since he joined office. See I am saying this as an independent observer and I really have the feeling looking at his previous trail of events that he is a very big impostor.
I hope that my fears are wrong, but then you never know.

Going by the way Obama is bending his back, I doubt he is going to deliver anything that can make this world safer from islam but whether he can do damage to USA from within will be doubtful because eventhough president is supposed to be the most powerful in USA, it is actually the congress that retains control over what a president can or cannot do. Besides, since Obama has already set his sights on winning second term, i suppose he will be hard pressed to deliver.
It is better to wait for atleast 6 months to see how much he can deliver although indications so far are that he might be taking US backwards.

Unfortunately, as a member of the military I would like to point out that because of the years of "diversity awareness training", "Equal Opportunity GMT", and the dictates of political correctness, I do not personally know anyone in the military that is willing to even consider taking real action to remove even a tried and true definite imposter in the White House. Remember this is the same military that I watched punish many (not just one, but many) people in 1997-1999 for "disparaging and direspectful" remarks made about the commander -in-chief Bill Clinton after it was PROVED that he had lied under oath, suborned perjury, and was impeached (with a concurrent dis-barment).
When you consider that better than 95% of all the officer corps in all branches of the service are required to have 4 year college degrees, and realize the leftist beds of indoctrination that go by the name of "universities" in this country, are coupled with the acute desire by "the Brass" to appear to be non-partisan to the point where individual service members are discouraged from acknowledging their political affiliations and/or sympathies, it should not be hard to understand that "the Military" as an institution is even more averse to political action that the supreme court.
Indeed, there are many areas of law regarding politics and political action that are applicable to the military that are not even close to being applied to the civilian population. Most if not all of the "career military" simply attempt damage control when we have a democrat in office, and the pervading aura of fear that unpopular opinions will destroy a career effectively gags the rest of us. The younger core is unsure as to what rights & responsibilities they have as military members, in fact, I have spoken to some members who do not believe they have a right/responsibility to vote, let alone something as radical as a coup to remove a dictator.
All that aside, there are extreme and draconian penalties if caught criticizing ANY elected official, and the purveying mindset is "We are here to protect Democracy, not practice it".
If anyone reading this seriously thinks that any member of the military could EVER be convinced to take up arms against a usurper/dictator that has any sort of appearance or veneer of legitimacy they are sadly mistaken, as the only thing this country has NEVER seen is a military coup. Many of us in uniform realize that any coup, even for the best motives is still a blatant violation of 225+ years of law, tradition, and faith. If we once initiate such a coup, we as a nation will truly be no better than a Bananna Republic. Our only option as military is to sit it out, and hope that the grassroots, the judiciary, or the state militias act to remove a usurper, as we will not. Many folks in all branches of service in all countries learned the lesson of the Nuremburg trials, "Pleading that you were only following orders is no excuse" and with exception of being ordered to turn our guns against our own civilians, we will never act against the United States Government, individually, or as a unit.

Interesting Statistics

Professor Joseph Olson of Hemline University School of Law, St. Paul, Minnesota, points out facts of 2008 Presidential election:

Number of States won by:
Democrats: 19
Republicans: 29

Square miles of land won by:
Democrats: 580,000
Republicans: 2,427,000

Population of counties won by:
Democrats: 127 million
Republicans: 143 million

Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won by:
Democrats: 13.2
Republicans: 2.1

Professor Olson adds:
"In aggregate, the map of the territory Republican won by Republicans was mostly the land owned by the taxpaying citizens of the country. Democrat territory mostly encompassed those citizens living in government-owned tenements and living off various forms of government welfare.

Professor Olson believes the United States is now somewhere between the "complacency and apathy" phase of Professor Tyler's definition of democracy, with some forty percent of the nation's population already having reached the "governmental dependency" phase.

If Congress grants amnesty and citizenship to twenty million criminal invaders called illegal's and they vote, then we can say goodbye to the USA in fewer than five years Pass this along to help everyone realize just how much is at stake, knowing that apathy is the greatest danger to our freedom.

"What distinguishes civilized countries form uncivilized countries, is the fact that they are constitutional democracies, not because they are republics."

Britain does not have a written constitution. Does that mean Britain is not a civilized country?

"Once they elect their representatives, they should not micro-manage them. This is what Obama intends to do and he must be stopped. "

Where is your evidence for this and what do you really mean by micromanagement? In what way does this differ from the previous administration?

"So what kind of direct participation can people have in a representative government?"

The people elect the representatives and have the right to criticize them in public, such as in newspapers, TV, Internet blogs at public demonstrations. They can join a political party or join in lobby groups; they can run for office....

"The Constitution is a social contract that is binding on everyone. Whether you are the electee or the elector you must abide by the Constitution. If one side breaches this contract, as it is happening now in America, the other side must stand up and defend its rights."

Well you didn't get that one right. If there's a dispute about whether the constitution was breached, the solution is not war. According to the constitution the matter is to be brought to an independent panel - a court - which has to decide, whether this is true or not. The decision is binding and is to be respected by the parties. This is part of the constitutional process everyone has agreed to, therefore it is binding... If you don't accept the courts ruling you are yourself breaching the constitution.

"I am not advocating outright violence and revolution. The resistance must be gradual and incremental...Now is the time for the military to step in....But if everything fails then armed uprising becomes, not only necessary, but also inevitable"

Sir, you have to make up your mind. If your calling for the military to step in then your calling for a coup d'etat. Your advocating violence and revolution...

"All the cases were dismissed on the ground of ‘lack of standing,’ as if Americans have no standing to know whether their president is legitimate or an impostor..."

Sir, "lack of standing" is a legal term, which bears no connection with the person's reputation, none whatsoever! Please investigate wikipedia for details...

"A man who lies to you and fools you to become president will not stop at that, he is an evil man capable of destroying the country from within and causing deaths to many innocent people..."

Sadly, you still haven't provided any evidence proving that he lied with respect to his citizenship and birthplace...

What about a man who lies to you and the whole world about his reasons for going to war? Shouldn't he have been impeached? Did you call for a coup d'etat or revolution then? Aren't you being a hypocrite, i.e. applying different standards to your political adversaries than to your political allies? What about the golden rule, forgot about that?

Mr Sina, you are out of your mind! You need help, seriously!

Regards,

kikl

Brother Brain
people pick numbers in statistics to support their views. We don't know what Olsen omitted. Do we? I am a quantitative reseacher. Everyone picks numbers to serve their own views. Truse me on this one. Peace

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5. ibrahim Says:

February 4th, 2009 at 5:04 pm
Proud Christian

I am not really sure if Obama is going to deliver. Just look at what he has been doing since he joined office. See I am saying this as an independent observer and I really have the feeling looking at his previous trail of events that he is a very big impostor.
I hope that my fears are wrong, but then you never know.
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Obama may not deliver. Bush did not deliver either. Bush made a mess of America. Obama may be worse than Bush or may be not so bad. But the fact is he is elected in a fair election. That is democracy. Democracy is a very deficient system of government but that is the only system we have right now. If Obama fails to deliver he will be out.

Sometime I get the impression some of the people want a rightwind dictatorship in the USA. Do you think that will be better?

AntiHuman says:

Obama has already lied about his birth. He has lied to an entire nation. Therefore, he is an usurper and the sooner he is brought down the better. But since he has this certain ability to “sway and manipulate his emotionally charged and intellectually disengaged devotees”, he will turn out to be a pied piper leading his “devotees” to doom. He is certainly not a messiah, benevolent or otherwise.
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This is nonsense. You have no proof that Obama lied about his birth. If he were not born in the USA, he would not have been allowed to run. What makes yoy think you know something the FBI or the US Justice Dept. do not know? I think you should stop lying.

I can understand that you do not like Obama but that is no reason to lie. I do not like everything about him either. Looks like you want dictatorship in the US.

I can tell you one thing for sure: A much higher percentage of people who voted for Obama had higher educational levels than those who voted for the old guy (by the way, i really have a great respect and appreciation for McCain. he just did not have much to offer). Peace

Ibn Kamuna,
Your statement is completely baseless. The liberals in general and the supporters of Obama in particular are among the least intelligent people. It is funny that they often love to portray themselves as 'intellectuals.' They are a bunch of brainless fools my dear. Churchil once said, ""If you're not a liberal when you're 25, you have no heart. If you're not a conservative by the time you're 35, you have no brain."

Obama won the election because he appealed to the emotions of people with low intellectual acumen. He came to power with the vote of the very young and the housewives who had no understanding of politics and economy and get their education from Oprah and Jerry Springer. His supporters are the least intellectual folk. See the video below for proof. No truly intelligent person votes for a crook like this bum. Show me the most prominent "intellectual" supporter of this impostor and I will go through his writings and disect them, for you to see he is nothing but a fool. The election of this "Being There" just proves the words of Bertrand Russell who said the majority of people are stupid.

There are no intellectuals among leberals. Let us not parrot this silly joke. Edward Said was regarded as an intellectual icon of the Left. Ibn Warraq in his book In Defese of the West showed the intellectual dishonesty of not just Said but every liberal.

13. Ibn Kammuna Says:

February 5th, 2009 at 4:07 pm
I can tell you one thing for sure: A much higher percentage of people who voted for Obama had higher educational levels than those who voted for the old guy (by the way, i really have a great respect and appreciation for McCain. he just did not have much to offer). Peace

Actually, I agree with that statement. But I disagree with the assumption that "higher education levels" means that the people posessing the "higher education levels" are more intelligent than the rest of the citizenry. For instance - 25 doctorate holders and 75 10th grade dropouts vote for Obama, and 60 High school grads, 30 Baccelaurate holders, 5 Masters and 5 Doctorates vote for McCain. On the surface, Obama has "more highly Educated Persons" voting for him. But, look at the numbers. It is a truism that in this last election BHO got the core of voters at opposite ends of the educational spectrum. The "Very Highly Educated" and the woefully ignorant. Anyone who has ever seen what hotbeds of liberalism, socialism, and educated ignorance exist in America's institues of higher learning would not be surprised in the least. More tellingly, look at the DEGREES and professions of each ones supporters. I would wager a dollar to a doughnut that Obama swept the humanities and socialogy departments, but look at engineers, chemistry, biology (not ecology, or environmental, or anthropology depts. - those don't have enough 'hard science' required) physics, and math departments. Even accounting for the massive liberal bias that is intrinsic in their position and the chameleon-like chamoflage they must wear to function socially (which eventually corrupts thier thinking for real- you cannot espouse a mask for years with having the mask slowly become reality) around a bunch of illogical liberals, they went more for McCain.
Therefore, I support your contention that a larger percentage of highly educated persons voted for Obama than McCain. But thos eivory tower intellectuals are cut off from reality and live in an epistomological nightmare that they not only cannot wake from, but would not wake from if they could, as they lack the facility to cope with a change to thier premises of that magnitude. Thus, they are blinded by ideology and can truly be referred to as "educated Idiots".
But also remember, that even as he reaped the votes of a bunch of Uber-Educated libtards, so also did he reap the votes of the willfully ignorant. And the general attribute amongst his highly comitted voters amongst the ignorant base is an attitude of entitlement, combined with a hysterical desire to "be part of something larger". Those are the same type of voters that think that MMGW is real, that everyone not of their own group is racist (sexist, nativist, homophobic -fill in perjorative here) and that only government can save them. They refuse to take responsibility for thier own lives and success, preferring to stand around and wail that the world hates them, and life is not fair.

Ali Sina wrote:

"Ibn Kamuna,
Your statement is completely baseless. The liberals in general and the supporters of Obama in particular are among the least intelligent people. It is funny that they often love to portray themselves as ‘intellectuals.’ They are a bunch of brainless fools my dear. Churchil once said, “”If you’re not a liberal when you’re 25, you have no heart. If you’re not a conservative by the time you’re 35, you have no brain.”

Not only is it baseless, it is also elitist. I listen to both Conservative and Liberal radio and the liberals are full of crap when they make statements such as Bush is a moron and republicans are stupid. It is simply not true. Moreover when republicans have something to say, at least they have a point.

Sina wrote:

Obama won the election because he appealed to the emotions of people with low intellectual acumen. He came to power with the vote of the very young and the housewives who had no understanding of politics and economy and get their education from Oprah and Jerry Springer. His supporters are the least intellectual folk.

That's what I've been trying to say.

John _ Galt wrote:

"Anyone who has ever seen what hotbeds of liberalism, socialism, and educated ignorance exist in America’s institues of higher learning would not be surprised in the least."

I'm a 27 year old young adult and I know what are you saying, because what you describe was mostly my education until a few years ago. I am still trying to undue some of the crap I was taught to believe and I am trying to gain more useful knowledge through the use of non-mainstream and alternative media and through educating myself by reading books. I love books.

John wrote:

"I would wager a dollar to a doughnut that Obama swept the humanities and socialogy departments,"

You forgot to mention the Human Services and Social Work Departments. Based on my experience ( I have a two year associate's degree as a Mental Health Assistant, a degree in the Human Services Field. I also did some college internships in that field ) many people in those fields would definitely vote for Obama, because they believe in Universal Healthcare like he does and he would put more money in those fields to help the "poor and downtrodden"( many believe involved in these fields believe the government should help everyone ). Many people in those fields would also go for him because he is black and these people do believe in diversity and multi-culturalism.

John wrote:

"Therefore, I support your contention that a larger percentage of highly educated persons voted for Obama than McCain. But thos eivory tower intellectuals are cut off from reality and live in an epistomological nightmare that they not only cannot wake from, but would not wake from if they could, as they lack the facility to cope with a change to thier premises of that magnitude. Thus, they are blinded by ideology and can truly be referred to as “educated Idiots”.

I agree with you.

"Those are the same type of voters that think that MMGW is real, that everyone not of their own group is racist (sexist, nativist, homophobic -fill in perjorative here) and that only government can save them. They refuse to take responsibility for thier own lives and success, preferring to stand around and wail that the world hates them, and life is not fair."

I agree with you.

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