Dear Ahmadinejad: Some Bastard will get up and say “This never happened”

Disgusting sh!t.

As for the whole 9/11 truth movement, just take a look at their natural constituency the typical left-wing unholy alliance of the communists and Islamists. Sam Huntington was right: the clash of civilizations is truly beginning.

I remember both evils from Islamonazis, Admadinejah is a fool. Next slavery never happened because Islam has been exposed as the people who did it. ARAB muslims were the white people to blame. Word is out.

Arabs are Caucasians and Muhammad had a white penis, a man who engaged in slavery. Iran had black slaves as late as 1930. Look it up.

I bet this Ahmedinejad character will one day deny his own mother, why not, he loves to deny the obvious.

To Anti-Jihad
This in reply to Comment ID #26032
October 8, 2009 • 9:10 am

----You stated ["I remember both evils from Islamonazis, Admadinejah is a fool. Next slavery never happened because Islam has been exposed as the people who did it. ARAB muslims were the white people to blame. Word is out.
Arabs are Caucasians and Muhammad had a white penis, a man who engaged in slavery. Iran had black slaves as late as 1930. Look it up."]

++ Islam forbids slavery. No slavery ever existed in Islamic societies. However, slavery was rampant in non-Muslim societies at it evidenced in the history of Europe and the USA.

To 'The Truth'
This in reply to Comment ID #26118

You stated
Islam forbids slavery. No slavery ever existed in Islamic societies. However, slavery was rampant in non-Muslim societies at it evidenced in the history of Europe and the USA.

* Well, friend u better do your homework. Europe and USA had slavery rampant in its colonial times, but then so did the early arab muslims starting from muhammad, down to the end of the Ottoman period. If u want to know for a fact: check out the history of all the Balkan states of europe where slave trade was very much prevalent and the despicable of the lot ( the muslim turks) unleashed their atrocities. The West pales in comparison.
*Where the Bible (NT) tells the master to treat his servant well and if possible to release him for the sake of ;Christ', we have the islamic kuran brought down by Allah telling Muhammad to exert their rights over their 'right hand possesion' aka slaves. ( Why, is it because these people don't have any feelings or rights??) so this shows that Islam essentially boils down to the fact that it is not wrong to have slaves legally and you can treat them in whatever way you want, I mean as per the owners whims and fancies (sic)

To All;

++ How come no one ever talks about the evil, genocide, mascures and atrocities that is done by the Isralis and their supportes to the four million Muslim Palestinians? Any replies?

To The Universal Truth
This in reply to Comment ID #26123
October 8, 2009 • 7:03 pm

----You stated ["Well, friend u better do your homework. Europe and USA had slavery rampant in its colonial times, but then so did the early arab muslims starting from muhammad, down to the end of the Ottoman period. If u want to know for a fact: check out the history of all the Balkan states of europe where slave trade was very much prevalent and the despicable of the lot ( the muslim turks) unleashed their atrocities. The West pales in comparison."]

++ Islam forbids slavery. That is a fact. No slavery ever existed in Islamic societies. Man made history books fabricate some facts in order to show some kind of favorable arguments. This web site and others like it is an example. It is no surprise that some non-Muslim biased historians and without any valid proof will wrongly use slavery against Islam to justify their own people evil actions and their countless atrocities

To The Truth
This in reply to Comment ID #26135

You stated- (Islam forbids slavery. That is a fact. No slavery ever existed in Islamic societies. Man made history books fabricate some facts in order to show some kind of favorable arguments. This web site and others like it is an example. It is no surprise that some non-Muslim biased historians and without any valid proof will wrongly use slavery against Islam to justify their own people evil actions and their countless atrocities)

*Simply even by going through some of the secular historians accounts we come to know about the slavery system which existed in all parts of the world- and this is including islamic societies. Why do you think it should be an exception? It seems that you do not want to accept that truth, is it because truth is bitter and difficult to swallow? In all arguments, you tend to be very defensive when talking about islam.
You either conveniently look the other way and pretend the facts stated have not happened or you go to great lengths to defend your stand, which you erroneously take it to be right .
You accept the islamic web sites coz it suits ur views or their views suit ur stand. you can accept any type of gibberish they offer. Is there any guarantee for what they say is right? they r humans after all too, right?
on the other hand, since ur mind is already conditioned earlier to be on the defensive u completely take an opposite stand for this site.
*atrocities i mentioned have happened for a fact. you need proof- u can find archives with photos. Now, don't tell me even that is fabricated and made to look islam and muslims bad. that would be ridiculous!
It would be like ahmadinejad denying the 'holocaust'.
*What Israel is doing to the Palestinians is bad enough. It is condemned by all sane people,but USA is playing the game of politics in not only this case but in every other case where it would serve their vital interests and that is money.But let me tell u another thing- Palestinians like israelis are birds of the same feather. brothers akin to same nature and common ancestry , only differing in religions.
Both of them do not accept each other . Israeli says he has come back home to his homeland after 2000 years of wandering as a refugee around the world, while palestinians (muslims) see it as an insult, an act of aggression on their soil,- (dhar-ul-islam).

The Universal Truth
This is in reply to Comment ID #26146
October 8, 2009 • 7:50 pm

----You stated ["atrocities i mentioned have happened for a fact. you need proof- u can find archives with photos. Now, don’t tell me even that is fabricated and made to look islam and muslims bad. that would be ridiculous!"]

++ Again Islam forbids slavery. That is a fact. If some unfortunate incidents did in fact happen, that would be because of these so called Muslims did not follow the teachings of Islam. Many people and governments, now and in the past, engaged in anti Islamic teachings. However, that would not be considered an evidence that Islam endorses such activities and actions.

To this Guy "The Truth",

What does 'right hand possession' mean by the way in Islam?
Why muhammed and his thugs sold innocent non-muslim arabs , jews etc to slavery?
Dont you read history of that master delusional thug 'muhammed' from hadiths and koranic evil verses?
How come you say blatant 'lie' that islam forbids slavery. Islam did maximum slavery since inception. Muhammed used to keep many women in his harem. Some 20 plus as married(maximum forced) and rest as his 'right hand possession' after he killed the father, brother and others from his 'merciful', 'peaceful' sword.
Dont you muslims have a single drop of shame??
Dont you know muhammed and later all muslim men lust on 'kaffir women'?

To Final Truth
This in reply to Comment ID #26167
October 8, 2009 • 9:46 pm

----You stated ["What does ‘right hand possession’ mean by the way in Islam?
Why muhammed and his thugs sold innocent non-muslim arabs , jews etc to slavery?
Dont you read history of that master delusional thug ‘muhammed’ from hadiths and koranic evil verses?
How come you say blatant ‘lie’ that islam forbids slavery. Islam did maximum slavery since inception. Muhammed used to keep many women in his harem. Some 20 plus as married(maximum forced) and rest as his ‘right hand possession’ after he killed the father, brother and others from his ‘merciful’, ‘peaceful’ sword. Dont you muslims have a single drop of shame?? Dont you know muhammed and later all muslim men lust on ‘kaffir women’?"]

++ Again Islam forbids slavery. That is a fact. Nowadays there is so much Anti-Islam propaganda that is keen on fabricating the facts and distorting the truth about Islam. You are making accusations that are founded on pure propaganda and lack the evidence to support it. Sickening actions by a few who calls themselves Muslims can not be attributed to the teachings of Islam.

++ Man made history books always fabricate some facts in order to show some kind of favorable arguments. This web site and others like it is an example of such behavior. It is no surprise that some non-Muslim biased historians and without any valid proof will wrongly use slavery against Islam to justify their own people evil actions and their countless atrocities.

These are claims by the Truth in this thread:

++ Islam forbids slavery. No slavery ever existed in Islamic societies. However, slavery was rampant in non-Muslim societies at it evidenced in the history of Europe and the USA.

With no proof for Islam forbidding slavery. Then a statement about No Slavery ever existing in Islamic societies, which is outrageous; Against this it is enough to refer to the Barbary coast pirates in the middle ages and beyond, to refer to the battle of Lepanto where galleyslaves rowed the Turkish fleet.

If proof then is presented you write it down to fabrication, anti-Islamic propaganda. Also isolated incidents, but here you couldn;t say that because of the "No Slavery ever existing in Islamic societies". So I only have to show one case.

Can't you see that our side can play the same game as you?

To Demsci
This is in reply Comment ID #26199
October 9, 2009 • 1:11 am.

----You stated ["With no proof for Islam forbidding slavery. Then a statement about No Slavery ever existing in Islamic societies, which is outrageous; Against this it is enough to refer to the Barbary coast pirates in the middle ages and beyond, to refer to the battle of Lepanto where galleyslaves rowed the Turkish fleet.
If proof then is presented you write it down to fabrication, anti-Islamic propaganda. Also isolated incidents, but here you couldn;t say that because of the “No Slavery ever existing in Islamic societies”. So I only have to show one case."]

++ Again Islam forbids slavery. That is a fact. READ THE KORAN. If some unfortunate incidents did in fact happen, that would be because of these so called Muslims did not follow the teachings of Islam. Many people and governments, now and in the past, engaged in anti Islamic teachings. However, that would not be considered an evidence that Islam endorses such activities and actions.

++ Of course, no Slavery ever existed in Islamic societies. You need to differentiate between societies and actions done by govermnets that claims to be Islamic. If some so called Islamic government did something where the society does not know about, you can't accuse the society of endorsing such activity.

Actually, Saudi Arabia did not abolish slavery until 1962, and they observe the strictest form of Islam not to mention on the very soil that Islam evolved. Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't Mohammed own slaves as well?

to "The Truth"

Playing dumb again? Islam forbid slavery? Give me a break pal.

Bukhari Volume 8, Book 77, Number 600:

Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri: That while he was sitting with the Prophet a man from the Ansar came and said, "O Allah's Apostle! We get slave girls from the war captives and we love property; what do you think about coitus interruptus?" Allah's Apostle said, "Do you do that? It is better for you not to do it, for there is no soul which Allah has ordained to come into existence but will be created."

Tirmidhi 864 Narrated Al-Adda' ibn Khalid ibn Haudhah Al-Adda' brought out a document to this effect: this is what al-Adda' ibn Khalid ibn Haudhah brought from Muhammad, Allah's Messenger (peace be upon him). He bought from him a slave, or a slave-woman, with no disease or wickedness, or anything unlawful, a transaction between two Muslims.

Malik's Muwatta Book 41, Number 41.3.16:

Malik related to me from Yahya ibn Said that Sulayman ibn Yasar informed him that Abdullah ibn Abbas ibn Abi Rabia al-Makhzumi said, "Umar ibn al-Khattab gave me orders about the slaves of Quraysh and we flogged some of the slave-girls of the Muslim lands fifty times each for fornication."

"Mr Truth", please stop this apologetic game of denial okay. Call a spade a spade. Islam forbids slavery?? What an idiotic joke.

Humanity is but one family. :)

To Sarah;
This is in reply to Comment ID #26231
October 9, 2009 • 4:40 am .

You stated [\Actually, Saudi Arabia did not abolish slavery until 1962, and they observe the strictest form of Islam not to mention on the very soil that Islam evolved. Correct me if I am wrong, but didn’t Mohammed own slaves as well?\]

++ You are wrong. Again Islam forbids slavery. That is a fact. READ THE KORAN. If some unfortunate incidents did in fact happen, that would be because of these so called Muslims did not follow the teachings of Islam. Many people and governments, now and in the past, engaged in anti Islamic teachings. However, that would not be considered an evidence that Islam endorses such activities and actions.

++ The Saudi government is a puppet government. It is an appointed government. They do many things that are not in line with Islamic teachings. However, that would not be considered an evidence that Islam endorses such activities and actions.

++ The prophet Mohamed never owned any slaves. He had servants. Slaves were common in those days for all nations and tribes. It was Islam that encouraged freeing of the slaves and the great reward from Allah for those who did so. Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, gave the example of this by freeing slaves and encouraging all of his followers to do the same.

To Kenmirzz
This is in reply to Comment ID #26247
October 9, 2009 • 5:23 am

----You stated ["“Mr Truth”, please stop this apologetic game of denial okay. Call a spade a spade. Islam forbids slavery?? What an idiotic joke."]

++ Again Islam forbids slavery. That is a fact. READ THE KORAN. If some unfortunate incidents did in fact happen, that would be because of these so called Muslims did not follow the teachings of Islam and the Koran. Many people and governments, now and in the past, engaged in anti Islamic teachings. However, that would not be considered an evidence that Islam endorses such activities and actions.

++ The prophet Mohamed never owned any slaves. He had servants. Slaves were common in those days for all nations and tribes. It was Islam that encouraged freeing of the slaves and the great reward from Allah for those who did so. Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, gave the example of this by freeing slaves and encouraging all of his followers to do the same.

to "The Truth" Comment ID #26253

What do you mean by unfortunate incidents? I am quoting from hadith sources and you diverted to "so called Muslims did not follow the teaching of Islam?" You mean Bukhari, Tirmidhi and Malik are liars and Jewish agents?

Read the Koran? It's Quran. Suraa An-Nisaa 4:3 licensed sexual intercourse with "Right hand possessed", Maa Malakat aymaanukum, female captive of wars. Suraa 23:6 also commanded the same. Do you mean that you can have sex with your servant?

Malik�s Muwatta 29.17.51)
Book 29, Number 29.17.51:
Yahya related to me from Malik from Nafi that Abdullah ibn Umar said, "If a man gives his slave permission to marry, the divorce is in the hand of the slave, and nobody else has any power over his divorce. Nothing is held against a man who takes the slave-girl of his male slave or the slave-girl of his female-slave."
Slave-girls are like fields if you wish then water it by ejaculating inside them or leave it thirsty i.e. coitus interruption with slave-girls is optional�(Malik�s Muwatta 29.32.99)

Abu Dawud Book 32, Number 4094: Narrated Anas ibn Malik:
The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) brought Fatimah a slave which he donated to her. ..

Bukhari Volume 3, Book 46, Number 731:

Narrated Abu Huraira and Zaid bin Khalid: The Prophet said, "If a slave-girl (Ama) commits illegal sexual intercourse, scourge her; if she does it again, scourge her again; if she repeats it, scourge her again." The narrator added that on the third or the fourth offence, the Prophet said, "Sell her even for a hair rope."

Stop dreaming about Islam without slavery ideology okay. The untruth must not go unchecked.

Go and learn the real and actual Islam, not the whitewashed version appealing to the Western audience brand. Even when I was a Muslim, I tried to reconcile why Islam allowed slavery under the impression that the slavery practiced by the West were much more abhorrent than Islam. However, this is not the case. In fact, slavery practiced by the West was not claimed to be divinely sanctioned as Islam.

The very fact that "Prophet" had sex with Mariyya Qibtiyya, a servant gifted by Coptic ruler from Egypt in the house of Hafsah disprove any positive assertion about his prophethood. He truly disqualified from being a prophet due to his crave for sex.

Wake up pal.

Humanity is but one family. :)

In response to post 26250, to The Truth.

Suppose I were to admit that all of the detrimental actions of Muslims should not be blamed on Islam. Not even the detrimental actions of Saudi government, society. Then: can there be any superiority-claim, any supremacy-rights for Islam/ Muslims ANYWHERE? Over and above other religions + their followers?

When Islam could not stop soooooooooo many detrimental behavior/ actions by its followers? No Tu Quoque now please, I am specifically asking if you consider Islam superior, having supremacy-rights, OVER other religions. So Muslims OVER followers of other beliefs. ANYWHERE in the world. Right now, I believe the vast majority of Muslims claims superiority of Islam and supremacy-rights in Islamic countries.

To Kenmirzz;
This is a reply to Comment ID #26264
October 9, 2009 • 6:43 am

----You stated ["Read the Koran? It’s Quran. Suraa An-Nisaa 4:3 licensed sexual intercourse with “Right hand possessed”, Maa Malakat aymaanukum, female captive of wars. Suraa 23:6 also commanded the same. Do you mean that you can have sex with your servant?"]

++ Again you are take things out of context. You need to understand the Koran carefully before trying to debate and fabricate the facts:

++ The definition of the term "right hands possess" is "Captives of war". Both males and females. Those from among the population of the tribes who fought the Muslims are considered "right hand possessions" if their tribe is defeated and captured.

++ One first need to understand that back 1400 years ago, when Islam was growing among the Pagan Arab Tribes, the Muslims were at constant wars with the Pagans. The Pagan tribes highly objected to the presence and the rapid growth of Islam, and they all united to fight Islam and finish it once and for all.

++ During those days, the Muslims did not have any government. Governments provide welfare and protection to people. Back then, and when there was no Islamic Government yet, the Muslims were their own country and were their own government. Everyone had to share in the responsibility DIRECTLY by sheltering the captives of wars at their homes.

++ What you call slaves were actually prisoners of war. Since there were no prisons at that time, those prisoners of war were sheltered in Muslims houses. They are called servants.

++ The prophet Mohamed never owned any slaves. He had servants. Slaves were common in those days for all nations and tribes. It was Islam that encouraged freeing of the slaves and the great reward from Allah for those who did so. Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, gave the example of this by freeing slaves and encouraging all of his followers to do the same.

to The Truth Comment ID #26269

Are you Ehtesham Ghulam? Sorry if it is not you.

I respect your polite answer. However, this is not the real case. You are rehashing those same arguments that I had been instilled with when I was a Muslim. It's no news to me. You said that other nations went against the Muslims and hence, they were punished.

Have you even cared to read Siraa and hadiths? Heard of An-Nakhla raid that was the prequel of Badr battle? The Muslims shed the first blood when they managed to loot the caravan. However, you keep resounding the trumpet of "everyone against Muslims" as the Muslims do very well today.

If the Meccan pagan Quraisy applied similar treatment and retaliation against the Muslims like the massacre of Bani Qurayza, not even one soul of Muslim will be alive to migrate to Ethiopia or Yathrib. Do you get it? I do not deny the alleged persecution but it was overly exaggerated.

As for the "right hand possessed". no matter how much you want to sugarcoat it, I see no relevance of having sex with them after murdering their kinsmen. If modern nation such as the Soviet did the same in Afghanistan, the whole world knew that it's rape and cruelty. Only sick minded person will advocate such atrocities.

However, when it was the Muslims of prophetic time did it, you defended the practice by giving faulty excuses such as absence of prisons to lock them? Well, Muslims consistently applied the permission even after there exist prisons in Islamic states such as Umayyad, Abbasid, Safavid, Ottoman, Mughal, etc.

Humanity is but one family. :)

Humanity is one family and moslems specially the pious followers of the evil pimp allah and the rapist pedophile mohammd do not belong to the family.

I told people Muslims would deny slavery. In the Sudan Muslims are selling black girls for $13 right now and in Lami and the next Muslims state you evil behind liars of allah the greastest liar, are still enslaving and the scholar of alazhar university said that slavery was the right of every muslim. Well Truth, this time you will be my slave or my right hand possession. Mary the copt slave of his wife Sawda had his baby, remember, and Mahran was his african slave he mistreated. Muhammad said allah created blacks to be SLAVES or abeds for white folks. You lying son of allah called truth. Yes I am mad for your lying enslaving behind.

Slavery is nothing new in islamic world (until now). Human trading is rampant.

The Truth:

++ Islam forbids slavery. No slavery ever existed in Islamic societies. However, slavery was rampant in non-Muslim societies at it evidenced in the history of Europe and the USA.

I say:

Hahahahahah liar liar pants on fire.

Great article.

To Marie
This is in Comment ID #26379
October 9, 2009 • 10:34 pm

++ Do your self a favour and stop making a fool out of yourself. You desperately need to take a class or two in logic at your local community College. That should do you a lot of good. Your statements are empty and contain no substance. Try to write something that is of some benefit to you and others.

To RAISIN HEAD
This is in reply to Comment ID #26323
October 9, 2009 • 3:38 pm .

----You stated ["I told people Muslims would deny slavery. In the Sudan Muslims are selling black girls for $13 right now and in Lami and the next Muslims state you evil behind liars of allah the greastest liar, are still enslaving and the scholar of alazhar university said that slavery was the right of every muslim. Well Truth, this time you will be my slave or my right hand possession. Mary the copt slave of his wife Sawda had his baby, remember, and Mahran was his african slave he mistreated. Muhammad said allah created blacks to be SLAVES or abeds for white folks. You lying son of allah called truth. Yes I am mad for your lying enslaving behind."]

++ Empty statements with no substance. FFI (Facts Fabrications International) must have convinced you with its propaganda. You remind me with a proverb that says “The train is moving and the dogs are barking”. Keep on barking. That might do you a lot of good.

The Truth:

++ Do your self a favour and stop making a fool out of yourself. You desperately need to take a class or two in logic at your local community College. That should do you a lot of good. Your statements are empty and contain no substance. Try to write something that is of some benefit to you and others.

I say:

Blah blah blah blah blah blah. Whatever old man. I'm not the liar here.

To Marie
This is in reply to Comment ID #26563
October 10, 2009 • 9:35 pm .

----You stated ["Blah blah blah blah blah blah. Whatever old man. I’m not the liar here."]

++ One characteristic of losers is: Whenever they can't confront the issues, they resort to filthy language. That is exactly what you did.

The Truth:

++ One characteristic of losers is: Whenever they can’t confront the issues, they resort to filthy language. That is exactly what you did.

I say:

LOL. My last post had filthy language? This is coming from a follower of a religion that promotes the use of filthy language. The Muslims are the kings of filthy language.

To Marie;
This is in reply to Comment ID #26611
October 11, 2009 • 1:22 am .The Truth:

----You stated ["LOL. My last post had filthy language? This is coming from a follower of a religion that promotes the use of filthy language. The Muslims are the kings of filthy language."]

++ You have just proved mu statement " One characteristic of losers is: Whenever they can’t confront the issues, they resort to filthy language." No further comment is necessary.

The Truth:

++ You have just proved mu statement ” One characteristic of losers is: Whenever they can’t confront the issues, they resort to filthy language.” No further comment is necessary.

I say:

The only thing that is filthy here is the person who keeps on defending Muhammed's pedophilia.

This is the super truth.
Islam is crap.Pimp allah and rapist mohammad are one and the same crap!
Sex with a 9 year old is a pious moslem act.
Killing kafirs and raping kafir women are pious islamic acts.
Its more important to rape than to offer prayers.Islamic sunnah you see.
Its more important to lie and cheat and steal from kafirs than to pray allah the pimp.
Temporary marriage prevents prostitution. Be it for a few minutes of a few hours.
4 wives better than 1 wife and a few slaves added in spices up life.What's life with out a slave in bed? Moslem shada.
Allah the pimp is far too busy now a days creating virigns and more jihadis are blowing themselves up than the pimp can supply girls.
The more stupid you are the more pious moslem you are likely to be!

To All;

++ Proving Islam is wrong is like proving mathematics is wrong.

++ Some people do not understand mathematics. They fail to understand the logic behind mathematics. Hence they hate mathematics and they curse at it. However, that does not make mathematics a false science.

Similarly,

++ Some people do not understand Islam. They fail to understand the logic behind Islam. Hence, they hate Islam and they curse at it. However, that does not make Islam a false religion.

++ On the other hand, Muslims do accept Islam as their religion because they know it is a true religion. They understand its logic as much as any mathematician understands the logic and theorems of mathematics.

++ Some might say, we can apply the above argument to other religions as well. That is true I say. However, unlike the Quran, the Bible and the Torah have been altered. Hence, that makes them unreliable for any logical person to choose them as a religion.

the truth .. ur so lame ... pathetic to repeat t same old crap .. even quran is written by human not allah ..