A complete Guide to pedophilia in Islam

Some evil Christian missionaries invented the ‘pedophilia in Islam’ to hide the crimes of thousands of pedophilia priests in their Church!

Amim,
here is to your great islamic nation of porkistan.. read and re-read and re-read and enjoy how great your paedophilic, misogynistic religion is..
http://www.thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=162462

here is an except from above article..

"She further said that in Pakistan, societal attitudes and norms, as well as cultural practices such as Karo Kari and Vani severely affected women’s mental health. Religious and ethnic conflicts, along with the dehumanising attitude towards women, the extended family system, role of in-laws, represented major issues and stressors, Dr Niaz said, adding: “Gender discrimination at each stage of the female life cycle contributes to health disparity, sex selective abortions, neglect of girl children, reproductive mortality, and poor access to healthcare for girls and women.” She stated that risk of depression in women was higher during the childbearing years. She said women were also vulnerable to depression during the period immediately after childbirth."

Amim,
Here goes one more imam into jail for paedophilia..
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2009/02/13/europe/EU-Bosnia-Pedophilia-Tr...

Paedophilia in islam- Prosecution
TRAVNIK, Bosnia-Herzegovina: A court in central Bosnia has sent a Muslim cleric to jail for 1 1/2 years for sexually abusing a teenage girl.

Reading the verdict Friday, Travnik municipal court judge Suada Kahric said imam Resad Omerhodzic was found guilty of abusing the girl in 2004 during religion class in the village of Gluha Bukovica, 100 kilometers (62 miles) northwest of Sarajevo.

The imam's lawyer says his client is innocent and will appeal.

The case divided the village which — apart from the girl's numerous family members — largely supports the imam. Some villagers claim the girl's family wanted revenge because the imam refused to name their cousin to the village Muslim community council.

It was the first pedophilia trial involving a religious figure in Bosnia.

Subanllah, Amar how dare you reveal the truth about our Beloved Prophet (piss be upon him). Man this is really bad!

Amin
Stop being so Stupid Tabari 1:280. Allah sure was right if he made Muslims.
Muslims didnt need Christians to make up crap on them, afterall Muslims wrote it. Muhammad said it. Muslims did it. HAAAAAAAAAAMuhammad the holy prophet of pedophilia!

According to AMIN Tabari, Isaq, Bukhari, Muslim, Muhammad, Allah, etc were Evangelical Christians. Guess who is making a fool of himself.

You know in Kashmir, we have these sign boards outside the Police Stations calming For the People, By the People and of the People. Similarly AMIN should display a large hording outside his house saying, By the Pedophiles, OF the Pedophiles and For the Pedophiles.

Ibrahim, you are so funny brother..Now I am worried AMIM will take your advice...

Sounds like hindutva ibrahima's family is full of Pedophiles just like his God Krishna who had sex with more than 16,000 women and minor girls!

Ibn Kammuna, Don't try to hide the crimes of thousands of Pedophile priests in your church! Your bible is also full of Pedophiles.

AMIM what would u like to say after seeing this clipp http://www.shoebat.com/movie.html?PHPSESSID=cd51dfef888e023f248f27b6bf13...

I request people over here to go through this site, and tell me is it real http://beholdthebeast.com/islam__quran_and_666.htm

HEY friend here is a intresting site with numbers which says quran is evil http://www.66619.org/Qaf666.htm

Stop this crap Please! Stop it! Damn it stop this.

Leave it to Muslims to remove the scourge from within Islam. The above is not true. It is okay for prophets to have more favours from God. They are after all messengers on earth. If they are being rewarded what's wrong.

If not for anything else please credit Islam for bringing the centrality of Truth as described in all religions. Hinduism talks about Advaita! Buddhism talks about No god but in essence realisation of that true self one God. Christianity talks about One God. Islam talks about Allah which is also about one God.

I am fed up of one set of fundamentalists in Islam who are just about harming Muslims more. Today the prime minister in Pakistan himself acknowledged that Taliban is at the door steps ready to push Pakistan back into medieval world and now you guys just won’t stop as well.

Why you guys can't understand that its Muslims more who are suffering because of likes of Taliban and not Muslims? Can you just be sane and not strengthen the fundamentalists who get emboldened by such writings.

Islam is about peace, compassion, fair treatment and for all humanity. Quran was written 200 years after the Prophet and in all probability some discrepancies must have crept in because the people at that time were at war trying to spread the empires. They wanted to enthuse their warriors and probably misused some of the scripture. This also amounts as apostasy but I am ready to admit at least this much. Can you guys also admit that you are doing a disservice by leaving Islam rather than work from within to reform it?

This is the opening page of this site http://www.66619.org/

Wasim
Allah and God are two different concepts brother. you need to study thia matter further. Also, the problem is not one group of Muslims who are harming Islam. it is Islam itself thats the problem. It encourage "Us against "them" mentality. It wants to subdue others who are not Muslims an make them second class citizens and make them pay a special tax just for them (Jizya). This is not justice as i see it. Islam, and all its assumptions belong to the dust bin of history. Humans can do much better. Those Jihadis are the ones folowing true Islam my friend. check the facts. A good Islam is a dead Islam. You can do better. Humans can do better. Check the facts brother.

Wasim,
Begging and pleading without reason is not a debate. Begging and pleading is one of the stages of grief. Perhaps you realize that izlam is dead and you haven't yet got to the acceptance stage.
I feel your pain

Wasim

Leave it to Muslims to remove the scourge from within Islam.
If actions of muslims don`t effect others adversely, it is quite right to say so. However, it is not true.
It is okay for prophets to have more favours from God. They are after all messengers on earth. If they are being rewarded what’s wrong.
Pedophilia is not favor, it is promoting social malpractice. Moreover, this arguement is muslim-like, trying to rationalize something bizarre. Not everyone shares this enthusiasm, especially if one is exposed to modern education system.

If not for anything else please credit Islam for bringing the centrality of Truth as described in all religions. Hinduism talks about Advaita! Buddhism talks about No god but in essence realisation of that true self one God.
The concept of adwaita or non-dualism in Hindu/Buddhist belief system is when you attain a state where no dualism is left between the seeker and the sought. The end result is realization of oneness. It is different from Islam. In Islam, dualism always remains. Allah is separate from the devotee.

Christianity talks about One God. Islam talks about Allah which is also about one God.

Whatever Christianity thinks, there actions are not evil in todays times. So better leave them alone with their beliefs.

Why you guys can’t understand that its Muslims more who are suffering because of likes of Taliban and not Muslims?.

If you are affected by fundamentalists today, it is the end result of your own actions, why others should share the cost of your misdeeds? You want to set your house on fire, go ahead. But if neighbour`s house gets affected, you have to pay for it.

Can you just be sane and not strengthen the fundamentalists who get emboldened by such writings.
Everybody has his own way to deal with fundamentalists. They are your creation, but menace to others.

Islam is about peace, compassion, fair treatment and for all humanity.
Why are you so deluded even when you can see Taliban at doorsteps with nothing but austere islam. What are their actions? What is the treatment Ahmadias get in a pure muslim environment? Don`t you see any contradiction in what you write?

Can you guys also admit that you are doing a disservice by leaving Islam rather than work from within to reform it?

If you live in a house that is completely rotten from the foundation right up to the ceiling, better pull it down and build new one rather than trying cosmetic changes to it. That is how you could save yourself and your family from the rains.
Islam has Quran, Mohammad, Hadiths and Fatwas, together could be called garbage. Why do you want to seep in it still?There is no problem with belief in one god so long as your actions do not harm others.

Wasim

I would have loved to rebutt your arguments. But you just disappear after leaving your comments. So there is no point in speaking with some one like you.

wow, good suggestion, dreamland.

to wasim,
ur tone does not show awakening u know. while Amaar Khan is tryin to show muslims 1 of the worst part of islamism, moderate muslims r tryin' to protect dat part. if Amaar expected dat kind of response from moderate muslims, why would he have to waste his time here? ur awareness does not seem to be betta dan dat of an islam extremist. and mohammad(i never print da name of a personage who had a piggy brain,u know) was dumb too.while tryin' to teach some human beings to be holy, he was committing unsacred actions. if he had been nice or clever,he would have tried to hold back his sexual desires in order to avoid da commotions which r mainly caused by his followers later. and i dont c Jesus bein rewarded such things.
and we just wont stop? right! da rule is who is wronger has to stop 1st. so who is wronger?"Today the prime minister in Pakistan himself acknowledged that Taliban is at the door steps ready to push Pakistan back into medieval world" so a high personage in Pakistan has been conscious only recently? what does dat mean? ans: a muslim personage is dumber and wronger, hence u muslims in general must stop 1st. but i c no real retreat. so will we have to stop? like Wehtiko, i think ur begging pathetically.

Leave it to Muslims to remove the scourge from within Islam? sorry, u just talk da talk. i'm afraid those who remove... that will be considered as someone being irreverent to mohammad. 'coz mohammad only considered his own thoughts,'coz those ppl have jeopardized da peace among muslims which koran asks.and u know there r alot more reasons i cant list here.
and
islamism is a superstructure(btw, u know what superstructure is?) hence it cant be mended in some yrs but hundreds of yrs. by da time hundreds of yrs pass, i suspect we'll have wasted too many efforts.
ok, every origin document has changed supplements. da Bible has too but y cant anybody point out miscourses as pedophilia in it 'tho its history is longer dan history of koran? i dont think da internet cant help muslims with dat. also , y documents 'bout mohammad's sexual dersire r propagated? if ur ans is dat non-muslims hate 'im and want to abase 'im, i will teach u a lil here: non-muslims' hatred toward mohammad has only been widespread since 9/11. if many nonmuslims had known 'bout and detests islam and mohammad 's existence in ancient age, islam wouldn't have survived this well.

to AMIM
as long as only a few christians only do what mohammad did or i say pedophilia isn't even a lil mentioned in Bible , x-ianity can't be compared to da stupid die-hard islamism.
well, if u dont understand, here is my fairy tale to soothe u:
there was a mutated pig which could fly . one day, it flied to a muslim country. ppl there detested pig so they hated it even more terribly. in order to escape, it flied unstoppably in da whole 3days and it couldn't find anywhere to defecate. it intended to find some isolated grass area or a desert to do dat.unfortunately, it
needed to go to stool so much 'coz it reached its limit to bear dat it couldn't avoid droppin' excrement on a da roof of a mosque.
end story.

AMIM

Yes amin my family is full of pedophiles and some of them visited your women when they were kids. Who's kid do you think you are?

AMIN

You piece of trash, your a pakistani . Worthless and pieces of crap. My God Krishna, lol, Sure dude. Anything but Allah.....

AMIN

I know sometimes since your mother was the victim of rape during her early childhood, seems you have suffered some really bad brain concussions during the period of gestation when your mother bore you. I suppose this is true of al Pakistanis, who are no better than daughter sellers and and drug dealers.

In my eyes, Pakistan does not even exist. Its all Indian territory and every Pakistani is fair game for us Indians, cos you animals don't understand the language of love and compassion. So we Indians have to beat up your sorry ass every time and hence people like you are born out of the resulting aggression. Children of rape victims, and you are one too, AMIN.

AMIN

I have some really kind words for you in my beautiful Mother tongue. Kumay Majee Yithuv Tithuv. Shukran!!!

Why do Muslims get angry at us, when all we are doing is pointing out all the nonsense and perversion in their own holy books? We did not write those books. They were written by their own prophet and moolas. We are only messengers reporting what they claimed.

It is pointless complaining to us when they should be complaining to their moolas. If they want to believe and preach that their religion is so wonderful and so peaceful, in spite of all the evidence to the contrary, they should do so to their moolas.

Convince them how wrong they are and how they are misunderstanding pure Islam. These apologists will never dare. We all know they will never do that. Instead they whine to us like little babies and blame us for the misdeeds of their fellow Muslims.

AMIN - Have YOU ever read the Bible or do you just believes the lies you are told? They are lies - do yourself a favour and read the New Testament yourself instead of listening to corruption tales (lies too). No muslim has ever proven the Bible is corrupt and there is a good reason for that - it isn't!

Shafee

The thing is that Muslims don't want Islam to be exposed. When they see their dear Islam being shirred apart piece by piece, they begin to show their true nature.

ibrahim

I couldn't agree with you more. As a good example, they are now upset with Geert Wilders, when all he was doing in "Fitna" was to quote the very same verses from their Quran that their fellow Muslims are using to justify all their violence and intolerence.

Their sole aim is to silence all criticism of Islam so that they will be free to repeat their lies without fear of contradiction. If they weren't so afraid of the truth getting out, they would not be so desperate to shut us up.

Wasim
Good to see you.
With moderate muslim the only problem is that one who can think don't talk either to cover it up or are afraid to do so.

Nobody would have taken much interest in Quran till you started inflicting injuries to non-muslim in the name of religion.

28. ibrahim Says: The thing is that Muslims don’t want Islam to be exposed. When they see their dear Islam being shirred apart piece by piece, they begin to show their true nature.

29. Shafee al-Zindig Says: I couldn’t agree with you more. As a good example, they are now upset with Geert Wilders, when all he was doing in “Fitna” was to quote the very same verses from their Quran that their fellow Muslims are using to justify all their violence and intolerence.

Possiblilty their reaction is because they feel betrayed.....I doubted they are aware of their own reaction. Just imagine... all these years they believed Muhammad as to be the most perfect human being... with no fault etc... then suddenly they found out he is not after all ... its just natural for them like a child to feel angry when he/she being told their father or mother is a bad person... angry at us for exposing the truth about divinely Muhammad. Perhaps they feel : its better for them not to see it altogether.

During Micheal Jackson trial... I asked one of his devoted fan about his thoughts..."do you think Micheal Jackson really sexually abuse those boys".. his answer is "I try not to think about what he does... its too painful... but his music is still the best to me."

"29. Shafee al-Zindig Says:
Their sole aim is to silence all criticism of Islam so that they will be free to repeat their lies without fear of contradiction. If they weren’t so afraid of the truth getting out, they would not be so desperate to shut us up."

That is so true! Whatever internet board you are on you get the same vile and filthy messages from angry muslims. It is quite sad.

29. Shafee al-Zindig Says:Their sole aim is to silence all criticism of Islam so that they will be free to repeat their lies without fear of contradiction. If they weren’t so afraid of the truth getting out, they would not be so desperate to shut us up.”

Remember their assertion is: Islam is the PERFECT Religion...so being Perfect as they are, they don't like to be criticised. To criticised... and especially from people like us the Apostate, is an indication that they are not Perfect afterall. They can't take it. Its like being in the Flow...they are trap in their own world and they are happy with it.... we are trying to deprived them of their happiness.

And can be very difficult to move away from the flow unless one is strong enough. As the saying goes to be able to go against the currents one must be very strong. When one is in the flow, one will not be able to see it. Only when one have remove oneself from the environment and try to look at oneself from the outside, only then one can see. This whole experience of removing oneself and observing oneself can be a frightening experience because it may change the whole perception one have about oneself and one's environment. That is why for some they choose not to do it because change will bring about a whole lot of other things they can never handle.

nurulhuda

I agree with you when you say they feel hurt and betrayed. Here was their hero whom they loved even more than their own country, family and humanity, now being revealed for the real-life villain that he was. The moolas with their lies, brutality,selfish self-interest and deception kept it a dark secret from its devotees for 1400 years. Its time is up.

Anger and denial are the essential stepping stones from the bargaining to final acceptance phase. It happened to me also when I discovered that the moolas had been lying to me all my life and hence my rejection of the religion of Islam that can only be propped up by threats and fear. Take these away and the House of Islam will collapse. That is why they are so afraid of the Dark Secret getting out.

Sadly the messenger takes the brunt of the anger. You will always be confronted with an emotional response, never logic. Tell a wife that you saw her husband cheating on her and you will be the evil person trying to break up their happy marriage. Your motives will be questioned and you will have abuse or worse thrown at you. The same would happen if you told a doting mother that her angelic son was seen stealing. Same response.

Take care.

Did anybody read about this : Saudi mufti okays marriage for 10 year old girls.

Here is the link :

http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2009/01/15/64297.html

As long as we have such people around.... our children can never be save.

15. Wasim Says:

February 14th, 2009 at 9:23 pm
Stop this crap Please! Stop it! Damn it stop this.

Leave it to Muslims to remove the scourge from within Islam. The above is not true. It is okay for prophets to have more favours from God. They are after all messengers on earth. If they are being rewarded what’s wrong.
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Wasim,
We cannot leave it to Muslims, wish we could. Criticizing Islam is the only way to show Muslims the truth about the evil ideology of Islam. Are you saying that God rewarded Muhammad with the permission to commit paedophilia? You gave me a perfect reason to condemn Muhammad and to condemn Allah. What's wrong with Allah? Why would he reward someone evil like Muhammad?
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Wasim says:
If not for anything else please credit Islam for bringing the centrality of Truth as described in all religions. Hinduism talks about Advaita! Buddhism talks about No god but in essence realisation of that true self one God. Christianity talks about One God. Islam talks about Allah which is also about one God.
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We do not accept that Allah is God. After reading the Quran and Hadiths and many books and articles about Islam written by Muslims themselves, we conclude that Islam is evil and Muhammad was a pervert. You should educate yourself about your own religion before getting upset over what we say about your religion.
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Wasim says:
I am fed up of one set of fundamentalists in Islam who are just about harming Muslims more. Today the prime minister in Pakistan himself acknowledged that Taliban is at the door steps ready to push Pakistan back into medieval world and now you guys just won’t stop as well.
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We will never stop till Islam is defeated. We invite you to join our cause. Today I heard President Asif Ali Zardari talk about Taliban on 60 Minutes on CBS. I was really surprised that he admitted that Taliban is active in the large part of Pakistan. It is the fault of Pakistan that it created Taliban to take over Afghanistan and rule it as a colony of Pakistan. Pakistanis are too smart for their own good. Instead of Afghanistan, the Taliban is poised to take over Pakistan.

Do you know what will happen once the Taliban is victorious? The Taliban will kill every "moderate" Pakistani politician, Zardari, Sherif and Musharraf, all of them, ayatollah style as they did in Iran. They will kill students, university professors, every writer. They will hang women. If that happens, it is you who is to be blamed.
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Wasim says:
Why you guys can’t understand that its Muslims more who are suffering because of likes of Taliban and not (non)-Muslims? Can you just be sane and not strengthen the fundamentalists who get emboldened by such writings.
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We do not agree with your reasoning. It is because of the criticism levelled against Muslims in general and Muslim fundamentalists in particular that you are paying attention to what we say. Actually we are doing you a favour.
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Wasim says:
Islam is about peace, compassion, fair treatment and for all humanity. Quran was written 200 years after the Prophet and in all probability some discrepancies must have crept in because the people at that time were at war trying to spread the empires. They wanted to enthuse their warriors and probably misused some of the scripture. This also amounts as apostasy but I am ready to admit at least this much. Can you guys also admit that you are doing a disservice by leaving Islam rather than work from within to reform it?
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You admit that the Quran has some discrepencies, in other words, you acknowledge that the Quran is not perfect. How refreshing. Actually, people who have left Islam are doing a great service to the cause of peace. They are showing you the true face of Islam. We thank them for it.

Qrand is perfect for wiping the back side after crapping. Leave it to moscums to change! Ahh give me another.Leave rapist alone to self improve,leave pedophile to realise that he is doing a grave mistake.Leave it to thief for him to realise that he is wrong? We have left you scum bag moslems alone for 1400 years and we are paying for our complacency.The pimp allalh and pedophile rapist bastard mohammad. the rasool pilla chod rasool bastard arab have shed enough blood and now is the time to say enough is enough

Wasim wrote:

"Leave it to Muslims to remove the scourge from within Islam. The above is not true. It is okay for prophets to have more favours from God. They are after all messengers on earth. If they are being rewarded what’s wrong."

Pedophilia is immoral no matter if the person is a prophet. It is simply morally wrong. Not only is it morally wrong, it is unnatural for an old man to have sexual relations with a child.

Also Allah and God are not the same deity, one must study Islamic and Christian theology in order to understand this.

I have visited your site and read an article by Amaar Khan titled 'A complete guide to pedophilia in Islam'. In his agument he quotes Surah 33:49 and Surah 65:4 as proof that pedophilia is perscribed in the Quran. He then uses hadith, tafsirs and fatwas to back up his points. He tells us to pay close attention to the section in 65:4 that states 'those who have not menstrated yet' on page 1 of his article. He says, regarding this verse, and i quote 'because it is going to be most important in this article.'

So let us look at this to see if it really allows pedophilia. J. Geoff Malta, MA, EdM, NCC Adolescent Therapist says on his website (http://www.puberty101.com/p_pubgirls.shtml) that there are 5 stages of puberty in women. If you visit this site he says that menstration occurrs during stage 3 which is between the ages of 9 to 15 years of age. He says that only SOME girls get their first period during this time, meaning a small number of girls. So if we look to the next stage as being the one in which most girls menstrate (stage 4) the age is 10 to 16. Now let us look to at the age of sexual consent, under the law in a NON muslim Coutries. Go to (http://www.avert.org/aofconsent.htm) for a list of countries and their age of consent. Examples, Australia the age is 16, Canada the age is 16, Israel the age is 14, Uk the age is 16, and in some US states, like Indiana and Iowa, the age is as low as 14, but the national average is 16.

What can learn from this? That NORMAL (I stress this this word for a reason that I will mention later) age that most women menstrate is between the ages of 10 - 16 and that NON muslim countries allow consent to sex at about the time of a womans first mensrtation. So one can see how Amaar Khan's argument gradually emplodes. This emplossion will hit full throtle in my next part...

Most people living in Western nations will say 'But women are menstrating at a much earlier age nowadays'. This fact is true in many 1st world nations, but is this a natual occurrance? The reasons for this early development can be attributed to the high fat content in a womans body. Poor eating habits and factors like obesity have been scientifically linked to girls having menstrations at an earlier than normal age. Sandra Steingraber wrote an article about this titled 'Goodbye Girls' at (http://www.portlandtribune.com/sustainable/story.php?story_id=1210783924...). In this article she states the following 'If historical statistics are any guide, the average girl in northern Europe in the 1830s entered puberty — defined by menarche, or the onset of menstruation — at approximately 17 years of age. Today, chances are that her American counterpart will have her first period at about 12 and a half'. History is showing us that the further back you go into history, the higher the age a woman becomes during her first menstration. This is due in large part to the dietary habits of people who lived thousands of years ago, compared to those living today. Although we have no historical records indicating the average age of menstration of women living in Arabia, during the 6th and 7th century, we can easily assume, from the article i listed above, that it was at least at age 17, if not a bit higher.

So at the time of the revelation of 65:4 the age of menstration in women was probably about 17 years of age (at least) which, according to the age of sexual consent I quoted above, is within the LEGAL age limit for a man to have sex with a woman without being branded a pedophile.

So lets look at the implications of this, as it pertains to ISLAM...

Being a Muslim means obeying the laws of the country you live in as long as they do NOT contradict or come into direct violation of Allah's commandments in the Quran or clear cut Islamic Rulings. So in the case of marrying a younger woman; is this a part of Allah's commandments or Islamic rulings? Is it an obligation put on all Muslim men to marry a young woman? Is it Wajib or Fard (strict obligation or cumpulsive act)? The answer is NO. If a Muslim man never marries a younger woman he is NO less a Muslim than the man who chooses to do so LEGALLY. A Muslim man who denies himself this kind of marraige is no closer or further from entering heaven than a Muslim man who marries a young woman.

Amaar Khan has to demonstrate or prove that this act of marraige to a younger woman is a strict, compulsory obligation for all Muslim men, and believe he can NOT becuase such information is non-existent and is NO part of Islam and it's teachings.

As the unbiased, truth seeking person can see, Amaar Khan's argument totally emplodes upon itself, thus rendering it invalid and impotent as a source of factual information.

I eagerly await Amaar Khan's response to this thread. I know this thread will be met with hate but for those with pure intentions, who are learned, they will see the truth behind these words.

Expect much more from me in the coming weeks and months folks :)

Mr. Khan i await your response to this rebuttal and i await your clear proofs that this act of marriage is a compulsory obligation upon all Muslim men.

Marie says, in post number 38,the following
'Also Allah and God are not the same deity, one must study Islamic and Christian theology in order to understand this'.

Marie, you can't be further away from the truth with regards to this matter. All one has to do is purchase an Arabic translation of the Bible. Every time you see the word 'God' in the Arabic bible you see the name 'Allah'. So are your Christian Arab brothers and sisters worshipping a diferent God from you because they call him Allah? Of course not!

Secondly, if we look at the ancient language spoken by Jesus, which is Aramaic, we se that the Aramaic word for God is 'Alah', pronounced 'Allah' and not 'Ala', like many deceitful Christians claim.

Finally, the Word Allah is more befitting to the creator of the heavens and earth, when compared to the word God. the reason for this is that Allah can not be changed to mean something different. With the word God you can some letters to change the meaning...
1. GODess, meaning a female diety
2. GODs, meaning more than one God
3. GODfather
4. GODmother

If you study the Arabic language and the word Allah, it can NOT be pluralized, nor can it be Gendered.

I hope this has helped you in your pursuit of knowledge Marie :)

Saadip wrote:

"Secondly, if we look at the ancient language spoken by Jesus, which is Aramaic, we se that the Aramaic word for God is ‘Alah’, pronounced ‘Allah’ and not ‘Ala’, like many deceitful Christians claim."

Saadip the Jews had many words for God and those are the words Jesus used to describe his father, Alah is not one of the words. Also there is no A in the Aramaic/Proto-Hebrew when details of the early Aramaic alphabet, that was used between the 10th-6th centuries BC.

Marie i know that there are no vowels in the ancient Hebrew and Aramaic languages. these vowel sounds are indicated by markers within the text, much like modern day Arabic. But, when converting the language from ancient Aramaic to English the vowels AEIOU and sometimes Y are added so the English speaking person can read and pronounce the words correctly (visit http://www.omniglot.com/writing/aramaic.htm for this fact)

When we convert the Aramaic word for God into the English language it is spelled out and pronounced as being AaLah (same as ALLAH). If you dont believe me visit this NON MUSLIM website and see the evidence for yourself MARIE http://www.peshitta.org/cgi-bin/lexicon.cgi

The site is an online Aramaic to English dictionary

So Marie i have one word of advice for you. Do your research before making claims because the truth will smack you back in the face if you are wrong :)

Actually Marie i just found out the link ot the Aramaic dictionary is not working. Go to this site http://www.alphadictionary.com/directory/Languages/Afro,045Asiatic/Aramaic/
Once here go to the second link from the top titled 'Aramaic-English online Glossary' ( http://www.peshitta.org/lexicon/ ). Once you click on that you will see a search engine. type the word GOD in the search and be TOTALLY AMAZED Marie :)

Read it carfully and be rightfully educated

Saadiq here is a list of names the Jews gave to God:

EL: God ("mighty, strong, prominent") used 250 times in the OT See Gen. 7:1, 28:3, 35:11; Nu. 23:22; Josh. 3:10; 2 Sam. 22:31, 32; Neh. 1:5, 9:32; Isa. 9:6; Ezek. 10:5. El is linguistically equivalent to the Moslem "Allah," but the attributes of Allah in Islam are entirely different from those of the God of the Hebrews. ELAH is Aramaic, "god." Elah appears in the Hebrew Bible in Jer. 10:11 (which is in Aramaic, and is plural, "gods"). In Daniel (the Aramaic sections) Elah is used both of pagan gods, and of the true God, also plural. Elah is equivalent to the Hebrew Eloah which some think is dual; Elohim is three or more. The gods of the nations are called "elohim." The origin of Eloah is obscure. Elohim is the more common plural form of El. Eloah is used 41 times in Job between 3:4 and 40:2, but fewer than 15 times elsewhere in the OT. See the Catholic Encyclopedia entry on Elohim.

ELOHIM: God (a plural noun, more than two, used with singular verbs); Elohim occurs 2,570 times in the OT, 32 times in Gen. 1. God as Creator, Preserver, Transcendent, Mighty and Strong. Eccl., Dan. Jonah use Elohim almost exclusively. See Gen. 17:7, 6:18, 9:15, 50:24; I Kings 8:23; Jer. 31:33; Isa. 40:1.

EL SHADDAI: God Almighty or "God All Sufficient." 48 times in the OT, 31 times in Job. First used in Gen. 17:1, 2. (Gen. 31:29, 49:24, 25; Prov. 3:27; Micah 2:1; Isa. 60:15, 16, 66:10-13; Ruth 1:20, 21) In Rev. 16:7, "Lord God the Almighty." The Septuagint uses Greek "ikanos" meaning "all-sufficient" or "self-sufficient." The idols of the heathen are called "sheddim."

ADONAI: Lord in our English Bibles (Capitol letter 'L ', lower case, 'ord') (Adonai is plural, the sing. is "adon"). "Master'' or "Lord" 300 times in the OT always plural when referring to God, when sing. the reference is to a human lord. Used 215 times to refer to men. First use of Adonai, Gen. 15:2. (Ex. 4:10; Judges 6:15; 2 Sam. 7:18-20; Ps. 8, 114:7, 135:5, 141:8, 109:21-28). Heavy use in Isaiah (Adonai Jehovah). 200 times by Ezekiel. Ten times in Dan. 9.

JEHOVAH: LORD in our English Bibles (all capitals). Yahweh is the covenant name of God. Occurs 6823 times in the OT First use Gen. 2:4 (Jehovah Elohim). From the verb "to be", havah, similar to chavah (to live), "The Self-Existent One," "I AM WHO I AM" or 'I WILL BE WHO I WILL BE" as revealed to Moses at the burning bush, Ex.3. The name of God, too sacred to be uttered, abbreviated ( . . . . ) or written "YHWH" without vowel points. The tetragrammaton. Josh., Judges, Sam., and Kings use Jehovah almost exclusively. The love of God is conditioned upon His moral and spiritual attributes. (Dan. 9:14; Ps. 11:7; Lev. 19:2; Hab. 1:12). Note Deut. 6:4, 5 known to Jews as the Sh'ma uses both Jehovah and Elohim to indicate one God with a plurality of persons.

JEHOVAH-JIREH: "The Lord will Provide." Gen. 22:14. From "jireh" ("to see" or "to provide," or to "foresee" as a prophet.) God always provides, adequate when the times come.

JEHOVAH-ROPHE: "The Lord Who Heals" Ex. 15:22-26. From "rophe" ("to heal"); implies spiritual, emotional as well as physical healing. (Jer. 30:17, 3:22; Isa. 61:1) God heals body, soul and spirit; all levels of man's being.

JEHOVAH-NISSI: "The Lord Our Banner." Ex. 17:15. God on the battlefield, from word which means "to glisten," "to lift up," See Psalm 4:6.

JEHOVAH-M'KADDESH: "The Lord Who Sanctifies" Lev. 20:8. "To make whole, set apart for holiness."

JEHOVAH-SHALOM: "The Lord Our Peace" Judges 6:24. "Shalom" translated "peace" 170 times means "whole," "finished," "fulfilled," "perfected." Related to "well," welfare." Deut. 27:6; Dan. 5:26; I Kings 9:25 8:61; Gen. 15:16; Ex. 21:34, 22:5, 6; Lev. 7:11-21. Shalom means that kind of peace that results from being a whole person in right relationship to God and to one's fellow man.

SHEPHERD: Psa. 23, 79:13, 95:7, 80:1, 100:3; Gen. 49:24; Isa. 40:11.

JUDGE: Psa. 7:8, 96:13.

JEHOVAH ELOHIM: "LORD God" Gen. 2:4; Judges 5:3; Isa. 17:6; Zeph. 2:9; Psa. 59:5, etc.

JEHOVAH-TSIDKENU "The Lord Our Righteousness" Jer. 23:5, 6, 33:16. From "tsidek" (straight, stiff, balanced - as on scales - full weight, justice, right, righteous, declared innocent.) God our Righteousness.

JEHOVAH-ROHI: "The Lord Our Shepherd" Psa. 23, from "ro'eh" (to pasture).

JEHOVAH-SHAMMAH: "The Lord is There" (Ezek. 48:35).

JEHOVAH-SABAOTH: "The Lord of Hosts" The commander of the angelic host and the armies of God. Isa. 1:24; Psa. 46:7, 11; 2 Kings 3:9-12; Jer. 11:20 (NT: Rom. 9:29; James 5:4, Rev. 19: 11-16).

EL ELYON: 'Most High" (from "to go up") Deut. 26:19, 32:8; Psa. 18:13; Gen. 14:18; Nu. 24:16; Psa. 78:35, 7:17, 18:13, 97:9, 56:2, 78:56, 18:13; Dan. 7:25, 27; Isa. 14:14.

ABHIR: 'Mighty One', ("to be strong") Gen. 49:24; Deut. 10:17; Psa. 132:2, 5; Isa. 1:24, 49:26, 60:1.

BRANCH: (tsemach), The Branch: Zech. 3:8, 6:12; Isa. 4:2; Jer. 23:5, 33:15.

KADOSH: "Holy One" Psa. 71:22; Isa. 40:25, 43:3, 48:17. Isaiah uses the expression "the Holy One of Israel" 29 times.

SHAPHAT: "Judge" Gen. 18:25

EL ROI: "God of Seeing" Hagar in Gen. 16:13. The God Who opens our eyes.

KANNA: "Jealous" (zealous). Ex. 20:5, 34:14; Deut. 5:9; Isa. 9:7; Zech. 1:14, 8:2.

PALET: "Deliverer" Psa. 18:2.

YESHUA: (Yeshua) "Savior" ("he will save"). Isa. 43:3. Jesus is the Greek equivalent of the Hebrew "Joshua." The latter is a contraction of Je-Hoshua. ("Christ", the anointed one is equivalent to the Hebrew Maschiah, or Messiah). [See Wikipedia article].

GAOL: "Redeemer" (to buy back by paying a price). Job 19:25; For example, the antitype corresponding to Boaz the Kinsman-Redeemer in the Book of Ruth.

MAGEN: "Shield" Psa. 3:3, 18:30.

STONE: Gen. 49:24

EYALUTH: "Strength" Psa. 22:19.

TSADDIQ: "Righteous One" Psa. 7:9.

EL-OLAM: "Everlasting God" (God of everlasting time) Gen. 21:33; Psa. 90:1-3, 93:2; Isa. 26:4.

EL-BERITH: "God of the Covenant" Used of Baal in Judges 9:46. Probably used originally to refer to the God of israel.

EL-GIBHOR: Mighty God (Isa. 9:6)

ZUR: "God our Rock" Deut. 32:18; Isa. 30:29.

Malachi calls Messiah "The Sun of Righteousness" (Malachi 4:2).

Isaiah calls Messiah "Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God (El Gibhor), Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace" (Isa. 9:6).

'Attiq Yomin (Aramaic): "Ancient of Days," Dan. 7:9, 13, 22.

MELEKH: "King" Psa. 5:2, 29:10, 44:4, 47:6-8, 48:2, 68:24, 74:12, 95:3, 97:1, 99:4, 146:10; Isa. 5:1, 5, 41:21, 43:15, 44:6; 52:7, 52:10.

"The Angel of the Lord: " Gen. 16:7ff, 21:17, 22:11, 15ff, 18:1-19:1, 24:7, 40, 31:11-13, 32:24-30; Ex. 3:6, 13:21, Ezek. 1:10-13. Seen in the theophanies, or pre-incarnate appearances of the Son of God in the OT (See I Cor. 10:3 NT).

FATHER: 2 Sam. 7:14-15; Psa. 68:5; Isa. 63:16, 64:8; Mal. 1:6.

THE FIRST AND LAST: Isa. 44:6, 48:12.

http://www.ldolphin.org/Names.html

The Jews did not call God Alah because it does not describe God's attributes or characteristics. When the Jews gave a name to God, it usually meant something that describes him.

Hebrew Names of God

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Elah and Elah Constructs as given in the Tanakh

Elah - Awesome, Fearful One

The origin of the Aramaic word Elah is somewhat uncertain, though it might be related to a root meaning “fear” or “reverence.” It is found only in the books of Ezra and Daniel. Notice the Mappiq in the final Hey for this Name: e-laH.

Elah and Constructs
For each name in the list below, I provide the following information:

1. The Hebrew text for the name
2. The most common English transliteration (in italics)
3. A definition for the name, references to the Tanakh, and frequency information
4. Additional comments, if applicable.

God

elaH

Elah. [basic form]
Aramaic. Name for God as Awesome One.
Reference: Deut. 32:15; 2 Chr. 32:15; Neh. 9:17; Ezr. 5:1, 11; 6:14; 7:12, 19, 21, 23; Dan. 2:18, 23, 28, 37, 44f, 47; 3:15, 28f; 6:8, 13.

God of my fathers

elah-avahati

Elah Avahati. [basic form]
God of my fathers (Dan. 2:23).

God of gods

elah-elaheen

Elah Elahin.
God of gods (Dan. 2:47).

God of Jerusalem

elah-yerushelem

Elah Yerushelem.
God of Jerusalem (Ezra 7:19).

God of Israel

elah-yisrael

Elah Yisrael.
God of Israel (Ez. 5:1).

God of Heaven

elah-shemaiya

Elah Shemaiya.
God of Heaven (Ezra 7:23).

www.hebrew4christians.com/Names_of_G-d/Elah/elah.html

I did double check my sources and I was wrong about the Aramaic alphabet, but I am not wrong on the type of names given to God by the Jews.

Saadip Aramaic has changed over the centuries and the text you are referring to was used in the time of Muhammed.

Here is the text used in Biblical times

This is a complete Aramaic Dictionary from the Hebrew Lexicon of Strong's Concordance
02 ba 'ab (Aramaic)
04 ba 'eb (Aramaic)
07 dba 'abad (Aramaic)
069 !ba 'eben (Aramaic)
0104 argga 'igg@ra' (Aramaic)
0116 !yda 'edayin (Aramaic)
0144 rda 'Adar (Aramaic)
0147 rdda 'iddar (Aramaic)
0148 rzgrda 'adargazer (Aramaic)
0149 adzrda 'adrazda' (Aramaic)
0153 [rda 'edra` (Aramaic)
0228 aza 'aza' (Aramaic)
0230 dza 'azad (Aramaic)
0236 lza 'azal (Aramaic)
0252 xa 'ach (Aramaic)
0263 hwxa 'achavah (Aramaic)
0280 hdyxa 'achiydah (Aramaic)
0307 atmxa 'Achm@tha' (Aramaic)
0311 rxa 'achar (Aramaic)
0317 yrxa 'ochoriy (Aramaic)
0318 !yrxa 'ochoreyn (Aramaic)
0320 tyrxa 'achariyth (Aramaic)
0321 !rxa 'ochoran (Aramaic)
0324 !prdXxa 'achashdarpan (Aramaic)
0363 !lya 'iylan (Aramaic)
0383 ytya 'iythay (Aramaic)
0399 lka 'akal (Aramaic)
0409 la 'al (Aramaic)
0412 la 'el (Aramaic)
0426 hhla 'elahh (Aramaic)
0429 hlla 'elleh (Aramaic)
0431 wla 'aluw (Aramaic)
0459 !ylla 'illeyn (Aramaic)
0479 $lla 'illek (Aramaic)
0506 @la 'alaph (Aramaic)
0516 txXt la 'Al tashcheth (Aramaic)
0521 hmma 'ammah (Aramaic)
0524 hmma 'ummah (Aramaic)
0540 !ma 'aman (Aramaic)
0560 rma 'amar (Aramaic)
0563 rmma 'immar (Aramaic)
0574 yntma 'emtaniy (Aramaic)
0576 ana 'ana' (Aramaic)
0581 !wnna 'innuwn (Aramaic)
0586 anxna 'anachna' (Aramaic)
0598 ona 'anac (Aramaic)
0600 @na 'anaph (Aramaic)
0606 Xna 'enash (Aramaic)
0607 htna 'antah (Aramaic)
0608 !wtna 'antuwn (Aramaic)
0613 rwoa 'ecuwr (Aramaic)
0629 anrpoa 'ocparna' (Aramaic)
0633 roa 'ecar (Aramaic)
0636 [a 'a` (Aramaic)
0638 @a 'aph (Aramaic)
0670 yorpa 'Aphar@cay (Aramaic)
0671 ykorpa 'Apharc@kay (Aramaic)
0671 ykorpa 'Apharc@kay (Aramaic)
0674 ~tppa 'app@thom (Aramaic)
0677 [bca 'etsba` (Aramaic)
0703 [bra 'arba` (Aramaic)
0711 !wgra 'arg@van (Aramaic)
0718 wra 'aruw (Aramaic)
0735 xra 'orach (Aramaic)
0744 hyra 'aryeh (Aramaic)
0749 $ra 'arak (Aramaic)
0754 akra 'arka' (Aramaic)
0755 hbkra 'arkubah (Aramaic)
0756 ywkra 'Ark@vay (Aramaic)
0772 [ra 'ara` (Aramaic)
0773 ty[ra 'ar`iyth (Aramaic)
0778 qra 'araq (Aramaic)
0785 Xa 'esh (Aramaic)
0787 Xa 'osh (Aramaic)
0826 @XXa 'ashshaph (Aramaic)
0846 anrXXa 'ushsharna' (Aramaic)
0849 rwddtXa 'eshtadduwr (Aramaic)
0852 ta 'ath (Aramaic)
0858 hta 'athah (Aramaic)
0861 !wtta 'attuwn (Aramaic)
0870 rta 'athar (Aramaic)
0873 Xwab bi'uwsh (Aramaic)
0888 Xab b@'esh (Aramaic)
0895 lbb Babel (Aramaic)
0896 ylbb Babliy (Aramaic)
0921 rdb b@dar (Aramaic)
0924 wlyhb b@hiyluw (Aramaic)
0927 lhb b@hal (Aramaic)
0956 twb buwth (Aramaic)
0989 ltb b@tel (Aramaic)
0997 !yb beyn (Aramaic)
0999 hnyb biynah (Aramaic)
01001 aryb biyra' (Aramaic)
01005 tyb bayith (Aramaic)
01079 lb bal (Aramaic)
01080 alb b@la' (Aramaic)
01093 wlb b@low (Aramaic)
01096 rccaXtlb Belt@sha'tstsar (Aramaic)
01113 rccaXlb Belsha'tstsar (Aramaic)
01123 !b ben (Aramaic)
01124 anb b@na' (Aramaic)
01147 !ynb binyan (Aramaic)
01149 onb b@nac (Aramaic)
01156 a[b b@`a' (Aramaic)
01159 w[b ba`uw (Aramaic)
01169 l[b b@`el (Aramaic)
01236 a[qb biq`a' (Aramaic)
01240 rqb b@qar (Aramaic)
01247 rb bar (Aramaic)
01251 rb bar (Aramaic)
01289 $rb b@rak (Aramaic)
01291 $rb berek (Aramaic)
01297 ~rb b@ram (Aramaic)
01321 rXb b@sar (Aramaic)
01325 tb bath (Aramaic)
01355 bg gab (Aramaic)
01358 bg gob (Aramaic)
01370 hrwbg g@buwrah (Aramaic)
01400 rbg g@bar (Aramaic)
01401 rbbg gibbar (Aramaic)
01411 rbdg g@dabar (Aramaic)
01414 ddg g@dad (Aramaic)
01459 wg gav (Aramaic)
01467 hwg gevah (Aramaic)
01490 rbzg gizbar (Aramaic)
01505 rzg g@zar (Aramaic)
01510 hrzg g@zerah (Aramaic)
01519 xyg giyach (Aramaic)
01519 xyg giyach (Aramaic)
01528 ryg giyr (Aramaic)
01535 lglg galgal (Aramaic)
01541 hlg g@lah (Aramaic)
01547 twlg galuwth (Aramaic)
01560 llg g@lal (Aramaic)
01585 rmg g@mar (Aramaic)
01596 zng g@naz (Aramaic)
01611 @g gaph (Aramaic)
01635 ~rg gerem (Aramaic)
01655 ~Xg geshem (Aramaic)
01668 ad da' (Aramaic)
01678 bd dob (Aramaic)
01684 xbd d@bach (Aramaic)
01685 xbd d@bach (Aramaic)
01693 qbd d@baq (Aramaic)
01701 hrbd dibrah (Aramaic)
01722 bhd d@hab (Aramaic)
01723 [whd Dahava` (Aramaic)
01751 qwd duwq (Aramaic)
01753 rwd duwr (Aramaic)
01757 arwd Duwra' (Aramaic)
01759 Xwd duwsh (Aramaic)
01761 hwxd dachavah (Aramaic)
01763 lxd d@chal (Aramaic)
01768 yd diy (Aramaic)
01778 !yd diyn (Aramaic)
01780 !yd diyn (Aramaic)
01782 !yd dayan (Aramaic)
01784 ynyd Diynay (Aramaic)
01791 $d dek (Aramaic)
01797 !kkd dikken (Aramaic)
01798 rkd d@kar (Aramaic)
01799 !wrkd dikrown (Aramaic)
01815 qld d@laq (Aramaic)
01821 hmd d@mah (Aramaic)
01836 !d den (Aramaic)
01841 laynd Daniye'l (Aramaic)
01855 qqd d@qaq (Aramaic)
01859 rd dar (Aramaic)
01868 Xwyrd Dar@yavesh (Aramaic)
01872 [rd d@ra` (Aramaic)
01882 td dath (Aramaic)
01883 atd dethe' (Aramaic)
01884 rbtd d@thabar (Aramaic)
01888 ah he' (Aramaic)
01907 rbddh haddabar (Aramaic)
01917 ~ddh haddam (Aramaic)
01922 rdh hadar (Aramaic)
01923 rdh hadar (Aramaic)
01932 wh huw (Aramaic)
01934 awh hava' (Aramaic)
01946 $wh huwk (Aramaic)
01965 lkyh heykal (Aramaic)
01981 $lh halak (Aramaic)
01983 $lh halak (Aramaic)
02002 $ynmh hamniyk (Aramaic)
02006 !h hen (Aramaic)
02031 rhrh harhor (Aramaic)
02084 !bz z@ban (Aramaic)
02095 rhz z@har (Aramaic)
02103 dwz zuwd (Aramaic)
02110 !wz zuwn (Aramaic)
02112 [wz zuwa` (Aramaic)
02122 wyz ziyv (Aramaic)
02136 wkz zakuw (Aramaic)
02164 !mz z@man (Aramaic)
02166 !mz z@man (Aramaic)
02170 rmz z@mar (Aramaic)
02171 rmmz zammar (Aramaic)
02178 !z zan (Aramaic)
02192 ry[z z@`eyr (Aramaic)
02200 q[z z@`iq (Aramaic)
02211 @qz z@qaph (Aramaic)
02217 lbbbrz Z@rubbabel (Aramaic)
02234 [rz z@ra` (Aramaic)
02248 hlwbx chabuwlah (Aramaic)
02255 lbx chabal (Aramaic)
02257 lbx chabal (Aramaic)
02269 rbx chabar (Aramaic)
02273 hrbx chabrah (Aramaic)
02298 dx chad (Aramaic)
02305 hwdx chedvah (Aramaic)
02306 ydx chadiy (Aramaic)
02323 tdx chadath (Aramaic)
02324 awx chava' (Aramaic)
02338 twx chuwt (Aramaic)
02358 rwwx chivvar (Aramaic)
02370 azx chaza' (Aramaic)
02376 wzx chezev (Aramaic)
02379 twzx chazowth (Aramaic)
02402 hattx chatta'ah (Aramaic)
02408 ytx chatiy (Aramaic)
02409 ayttx chattaya' (Aramaic)
02417 yx chay (Aramaic)
02418 ayx chaya' (Aramaic)
02423 awyx cheyva' (Aramaic)
02429 lyx chayil (Aramaic)
02445 ~ykkx chakkiym (Aramaic)
02452 hmkx chokmah (Aramaic)
02493 ~lx chelem (Aramaic)
02499 @lx chalaph (Aramaic)
02508 qlx chalaq (Aramaic)
02528 amx chema' (Aramaic)
02562 rmx chamar (Aramaic),
02591 atnx chinta' (Aramaic)
02597 akknx chanukka' (Aramaic)
02604 !nx chanan (Aramaic)
02627 ryoox chacciyr (Aramaic)
02631 !ox chacan (Aramaic)
02632 !ox checen (Aramaic)
02635 @ox chacaph (Aramaic)
02685 @cx chatsaph (Aramaic)
02718 brx charab (Aramaic)
02749 ~trx chartom (Aramaic)
02761 $rx charak (Aramaic)
02783 #rx charats (Aramaic)
02804 bXx chashab (Aramaic)
02816 $wXx chashowk (Aramaic)
02818 xXx chashach (Aramaic)
02827 lXx chashal (Aramaic)
02857 ~tx chatham (Aramaic)
02868 baj t@'eb (Aramaic)
02869 bj tab (Aramaic),
02877 xbbj tabbach (Aramaic)
02906 rwj tuwr (Aramaic)
02908 twj t@vath (Aramaic)
02917 !yj tiyn (Aramaic)
02920 lj tal (Aramaic)
02927 llj t@lal (Aramaic)
02939 ~[j t@`am (Aramaic)
02941 ~[j ta`am (Aramaic)
02942 ~[j t@`em (Aramaic)
02953 rpj t@phar (Aramaic)
02957 drj t@rad (Aramaic)
02967 ylprj Tarp@lay (Aramaic)
02987 lby y@bal (Aramaic)
03007 tXbby yabbesheth (Aramaic)
03026 atwdhX rgy Y@gar Sahaduwtha' (Aramaic)
03028 dy yad (Aramaic)
03029 ady y@da' (Aramaic)
03046 [dy y@da` (Aramaic)
03052 bhy y@hab (Aramaic)
03061 dwhy Y@huwd (Aramaic)
03062 yadwhy Y@huwda'iy (Aramaic)
03118 ~wy yowm (Aramaic)
03191 bty y@tab (Aramaic)
03202 lky y@kel (Aramaic)
03221 ~y yam (Aramaic)
03255 @oy y@caph (Aramaic)
03272 t[y y@`at (Aramaic)
03319 acy y@tsa' (Aramaic)
03321 bcy y@tseb (Aramaic)
03330 byccy yatstsiyb (Aramaic)
03345 dqy y@qad (Aramaic)
03346 adqy y@qeda' (Aramaic)
03358 ryqqy yaqqiyr (Aramaic)
03367 rqy y@qar (Aramaic)
03393 xry y@rach (Aramaic)
03410 akry yarka' (Aramaic)
03443 [wXy Yeshuwa` (Aramaic)
03479 larXy Yisra'el (Aramaic)
03487 ty yath (Aramaic)
03488 byty y@thiyb (Aramaic)
03493 rytty yattiyr (Aramaic)
03538 bdk k@dab (Aramaic)
03542 hk kah (Aramaic)
03546 lhk k@hal (Aramaic)
03549 !hk kahen (Aramaic)
03551 wk kav (Aramaic)
03567 Xrwk Kowresh (Aramaic)
03604 rkkk kikker (Aramaic)
03606 lk kol (Aramaic)
03635 llk k@lal (Aramaic)
03652 !k ken (Aramaic)
03660 amnk k@nema' (Aramaic)
03673 Xnk kanash (Aramaic)
03675 tnk k@nath (Aramaic)
03702 @ok k@caph (Aramaic)
03705 ![k k@`an (Aramaic)
03706 tn[k k@`eneth (Aramaic)
03729 tpk k@phath (Aramaic)
03735 ark Kara' (Aramaic)
03737 [lbrk karb@la` (Aramaic)
03744 zwrk karowz (Aramaic)
03745 zrk k@raz (Aramaic)
03764 aork korce' (Aramaic)
03779 ydXk Kasday (Aramaic)
03790 btk k@thab (Aramaic)
03792 btk k@thab (Aramaic)
03797 ltk k@thal (Aramaic)
03809 al la' (Aramaic)
03821 bl leb (Aramaic)
03825 bbl l@bab (Aramaic)
03831 Xwbl l@buwsh (Aramaic)
03848 Xbl l@bash (Aramaic)
03861 !hwl lawhen (Aramaic)
03879 ywl Leviy (Aramaic)
03890 twl l@vath (Aramaic)
03900 ~xl l@chem (Aramaic)
03904 hnxl l@chenah (Aramaic)
03916 aylyl leyl@ya' (Aramaic)
03961 !XXl lishshan (Aramaic)
03964 am ma' (Aramaic)
03969 ham ma'ah (Aramaic)
03977 !zam mo'zen (Aramaic)
03983 rmam me'mar (Aramaic)
03984 !am ma'n (Aramaic)
04040 hllgm m@gillah (Aramaic)
04049 rgm m@gar (Aramaic)
04056 xbdm madbach (Aramaic)
04061 hddm middah (Aramaic)
04070 rwdm m@dowr (Aramaic)
04070 rwdm m@dowr (Aramaic)
04076 ydm Maday (Aramaic)
04077 ydm Maday (Aramaic)
04083 hnydm m@diynah (Aramaic)
04101 hm mah (Aramaic)
04193 twm mowth (Aramaic)
04203 !wzm mazown (Aramaic)
04223 axm m@cha' (Aramaic)
04255 hqlxm machl@qah (Aramaic)
04291 atm m@ta' (Aramaic)
04333 laXym Miysha'el (Aramaic)
04336 $Xym Meyshak (Aramaic)
04391 alm m@la' (Aramaic)
04398 $alm mal'ak (Aramaic)
04406 hllm millah (Aramaic)
04415 xlm m@lach (Aramaic)
04416 xlm m@lach (Aramaic)
04430 $lm melek (Aramaic)
04431 $lm m@lak (Aramaic)
04433 aklm malka' (Aramaic)
04437 wklm malkuw (Aramaic)
04449 llm m@lal (Aramaic)
04479 !m man (Aramaic)
04481 !m min (Aramaic)
04483 anm m@na' (Aramaic)
04484 anm mene' (Aramaic)
04486 [dnm manda` (Aramaic)
04504 hxnm minchah (Aramaic)
04510 !ynm minyan (Aramaic)
04567 db[m ma`bad (Aramaic)
04577 h[m m@`ah (Aramaic)
04606 l[m me`al (Aramaic)
04756 arm mare' (Aramaic)
04776 drm m@rad (Aramaic)
04779 drm marad (Aramaic)
04804 trm m@rat (Aramaic)
04873 hXm Mosheh (Aramaic)
04887 xXm m@shach (Aramaic)
04903 bkXm mishkab (Aramaic)
04907 !kXm mishkan (Aramaic)
04953 yqwrXm mashrowqiy (Aramaic)
04961 htXm mishteh (Aramaic)
04978 anttm matt@na' (Aramaic)
05013 abn n@ba' (Aramaic)
05017 hawbn n@buw'ah (Aramaic)
05020 rccndkwbn N@buwkadnetstsar (Aramaic)
05023 hbzbn n@bizbah (Aramaic)
05029 aybn n@biy' (Aramaic)
05043 aXrbn nebr@sha' (Aramaic)
05047 dgn n@gad (Aramaic)
05049 dgn neged (Aramaic)
05053 hhgn nogahh (Aramaic)
05069 bdn n@dab (Aramaic)
05073 $bdn nidbak (Aramaic)
05075 ddn n@dad (Aramaic)
05085 hndn nidneh (Aramaic)
05094 ryhn n@hiyr (Aramaic)
05103 rhn n@har (Aramaic)
05111 dwn nuwd (Aramaic)
05122 wlwn n@valuw (Aramaic)
05135 rwn nuwr (Aramaic)
05142 qzn n@zaq (Aramaic)
05174 Xxn n@chash (Aramaic)
05182 txn n@chath (Aramaic)
05191 ltn n@tal (Aramaic)
05202 rtn n@tar (Aramaic)
05208 xwxyn niychowach (Aramaic)
05208 xwxyn niychowach (Aramaic)
05232 okn n@kac (Aramaic)
05245 rmn n@mar (Aramaic)
05256 xon n@cach (Aramaic)
05260 $on n@cak (Aramaic)
05261 $on n@cak (Aramaic)
05267 qon n@caq (Aramaic)
05308 lpn n@phal (Aramaic)
05312 qpn n@phaq (Aramaic)
05313 aqpn niphqa' (Aramaic)
05326 hbcn nitsbah (Aramaic)
05330 xcn n@tsach (Aramaic)
05338 lcn n@tsal (Aramaic)
05343 aqn n@qe' (Aramaic)
05368 Xqn n@qash (Aramaic)
05376 aXn n@sa' (Aramaic)
05389 !yXn nashiyn (Aramaic)
05396 amXn nishma' (Aramaic)
05403 rXn n@shar (Aramaic)
05407 !wtXn nisht@van (Aramaic)
05412 !ytn N@thiyn (Aramaic)
05415 !tn n@than (Aramaic)
05426 rtn n@ther (Aramaic)
05443 akbbo cabb@ka' (Aramaic)
05446 lbo c@bal (Aramaic)
05452 rbo c@bar (Aramaic)
05457 dgo c@gid (Aramaic)
05460 !go c@gan (Aramaic)
05463 rgo c@gar (Aramaic)
05481 hynwpmwo cuwmpown@yah (Aramaic)
05481 hynwpmwo cuwmpown@yah (Aramaic)
05481 hynwpmwo cuwmpown@yah (Aramaic)
05487 @wo cuwph (Aramaic)
05491 @wo cowph (Aramaic)
05559 qlo c@liq (Aramaic)
05583 d[o c@`ad (Aramaic)
05609 rpo c@phar (Aramaic)
05613 rpo capher (Aramaic)
05622 lbro carbal (Aramaic)
05632 $ro carek (Aramaic)
05642 rto c@thar (Aramaic)
05648 db[ `abad (Aramaic)
05649 db[ `abad (Aramaic)
05665 awgn db[ `Abed N@gow' (Aramaic)
05673 hdyb[ `abiydah (Aramaic)
05675 rb[ `abar (Aramaic)
05705 d[ `ad (Aramaic)
05709 ad[ `ada' (Aramaic)
05732 !dd[ `iddan (Aramaic)
05751 dw[ `owd (Aramaic)
05758 ayw[ `ivya' (Aramaic)
05776 @w[ `owph (Aramaic)
05784 rw[ `uwr (Aramaic)
05796 z[ `ez (Aramaic)
05824 aqz[ `izqa' (Aramaic)
05831 arz[ `Ezra' (Aramaic)
05839 hyrz[ `Azaryah (Aramaic)
05843 at[ `eta' (Aramaic)
05870 !y[ `ayin (Aramaic)
05894 ry[ `iyr (Aramaic)
05922 l[ `al (Aramaic)
05924 all[ `ella' (Aramaic)
05928 hl[ `alah (Aramaic)
05931 hll[ `illah (Aramaic)
05943 yll[ `illay (Aramaic)
05946 !wyl[ `elyown (Aramaic)
05954 ll[ `alal (Aramaic)
05957 ~l[ `alam (Aramaic)
05962 yml[ `Almiy (Aramaic)
05967 [l[ `ala` (Aramaic)
05972 ~[ `am (Aramaic)
05974 ~[ `im (Aramaic)
05994 qym[ `amiyq (Aramaic)
06015 rm[ `amar (Aramaic)
06032 hn[ `anah (Aramaic)
06033 hn[ `anah (Aramaic)
06050 !n[ `anan (Aramaic)
06056 @n[ `anaph (Aramaic)
06065 Xn[ `anash (Aramaic)
06074 yp[ `ophiy (Aramaic)
06088 bc[ `atsab (Aramaic)
06132 rq[ `aqar (Aramaic)
06136 rqq[ `iqqar (Aramaic)
06146 r[ `ar (Aramaic)
06151 br[ `arab (Aramaic)
06167 dr[ `arad (Aramaic)
06173 hwr[ `arvah (Aramaic)
06236 rX[ `asar (Aramaic)
06243 !yrX[ `esriyn (Aramaic)
06246 tX[ `ashith (Aramaic)
06263 dyt[ `athiyd (Aramaic)
06268 qytt[ `attiyq (Aramaic)
06347 hxp pechah (Aramaic)
06353 rxp pechar (Aramaic)
06361 Xyttp pattiysh (Aramaic)
06386 glp p@lag (Aramaic)
06387 glp p@lag (Aramaic)
06392 hgglp p@luggah (Aramaic)
06399 xlp p@lach (Aramaic)
06402 !xlp polchan (Aramaic)
06433 ~p pum (Aramaic)
06447 op pac (Aramaic)
06460 !yrtnop picanteriyn (Aramaic)
06523 lzrp parzel (Aramaic)
06537 orp p@rac (Aramaic)
06540 orp Parac (Aramaic)
06543 yorp Parciy (Aramaic)
06562 qrp p@raq (Aramaic)
06568 Xrp p@rash (Aramaic)
06573 !gXrp parshegen (Aramaic)
06590 rXp p@shar (Aramaic)
06591 rXp p@shar (Aramaic)
06600 ~gtp pithgam (Aramaic)
06606 xtp p@thach (Aramaic)
06613 ytp p@thay (Aramaic)
06634 abc ts@ba' (Aramaic)
06640 wbc ts@buw (Aramaic)
06647 [bc ts@ba` (Aramaic)
06655 dc tsad (Aramaic)
06656 adc ts@da' (Aramaic)
06665 hqdc tsidqah (Aramaic)
06676 rawwc tsavva'r (Aramaic)
06739 alc ts@la' (Aramaic)
06744 xlc ts@lach (Aramaic)
06755 ~lc tselem (Aramaic)
06841 rypc ts@phiyr (Aramaic)
06853 rpc ts@phar (Aramaic)
06902 lbq q@bal (Aramaic)
06903 lbq q@bel (Aramaic)
06922 Xyddq qaddiysh (Aramaic)
06925 ~dq qodam (Aramaic)
06928 hmdq qadmah (Aramaic)
06933 ymdq qadmay (Aramaic)
06966 ~wq quwm (Aramaic)
06992 ltq q@tal (Aramaic)
07001 rtq q@tar (Aramaic)
07007 tyq qayit (Aramaic)
07010 ~yq q@yam (Aramaic)
07011 ~yq qayam (Aramaic)
07030 ortyq qiytharoc (Aramaic)
07032 lq qal (Aramaic)
07066 anq q@na' (Aramaic)
07108 @cq q@tsaph (Aramaic)
07109 @cq q@tsaph (Aramaic)
07113 #cq q@tsats (Aramaic)
07118 tcq q@tsath (Aramaic)
07123 arq q@ra' (Aramaic)
07127 brq q@reb (Aramaic)
07129 brq q@rab (Aramaic)
07149 ayrq qirya' (Aramaic)
07162 !rq qeren (Aramaic)
07170 #rq q@rats (Aramaic)
07187 twXq q@showt (Aramaic)
07217 Xar re'sh (Aramaic)
07229 br rab (Aramaic)
07236 hbr r@bah (Aramaic)
07238 wbr r@buw (Aramaic)
07240 wbbr ribbow (Aramaic)
07244 y[ybr r@biy`ay (Aramaic)
07260 brbr rabrab (Aramaic)
07261 !brbr rabr@ban (Aramaic)
07265 zgr r@gaz (Aramaic)
07266 zgr r@gaz (Aramaic)
07271 lgr r@gal (Aramaic)
07284 Xgr r@gash (Aramaic)
07299 wr rev (Aramaic)
07308 xwr ruwach (Aramaic)
07313 ~wr ruwm (Aramaic)
07314 ~wr ruwm (Aramaic)
07328 zr raz (Aramaic)
07352 qyxr rachiyq (Aramaic)
07359 ~xr r@chem (Aramaic)
07365 #xr r@chats (Aramaic)
07382 xyr reyach (Aramaic)
07412 hmr r@mah (Aramaic)
07470 twr r@uwth (Aramaic)
07476 !wy[r ra`yown (Aramaic)
07487 !n[r ra`anan (Aramaic)
07490 [[r r@`a` (Aramaic)
07512 opr r@phac (Aramaic)
07560 ~Xr r@sham (Aramaic)
07593 laX sh@'el (Aramaic)
07595 alaX sh@'ela' (Aramaic)
07598 laytlaX Sh@'altiy'el (Aramaic)
07606 raX sh@'ar (Aramaic)
07624 xbX sh@bach (Aramaic)
07625 tbX she@bat (Aramaic)
07631 bybX s@biyb (Aramaic)
07655 h[bX shib`ah (Aramaic)
07662 qbX sh@baq (Aramaic)
07672 XbX sh@bash (Aramaic)
07680 agX s@ga' (Aramaic)
07690 ayggX saggiy' (Aramaic)
07695 lgX shegal (Aramaic)
07712 rdX sh@dar (Aramaic)
07715 $rdX Shadrak (Aramaic)
07739 hwX sh@vah (Aramaic)
07792 rwX shuwr (Aramaic)
07801 yknXwX Shuwshankiy (Aramaic)
07804 bzX sh@zab (Aramaic)
07844 txX sh@chath (Aramaic)
07859 rtX sh@tar (Aramaic)
07868 byX siyb (Aramaic)
07912 xkX sh@kach (Aramaic)
07920 lkX s@kal (Aramaic)
07924 wntlkX sokl@thanuw (Aramaic)
07932 !kX sh@kan (Aramaic)
07954 hlX sh@lah (Aramaic)
07955 hlX shalah (Aramaic)
07960 wlX shaluw (Aramaic)
07963 hwlX sh@levah (Aramaic)
07972 xlX sh@lach (Aramaic)
07981 tlX sh@let (Aramaic)
07983 !wtlX shiltown (Aramaic)
07984 !wtlX shiltown (Aramaic)
07985 !tlX sholtan (Aramaic)
07990 tyllX shalliyt (Aramaic)
08000 ~lX sh@lam (Aramaic)
08001 ~lX sh@lam (Aramaic)
08036 ~X shum (Aramaic)
08046 dmX sh@mad (Aramaic)
08065 !ymX shamayin (Aramaic)
08075 ~mX sh@mam (Aramaic)
08086 [mX sh@ma` (Aramaic)
08115 !yrmX Shomrayin (Aramaic)
08120 XmX sh@mash (Aramaic)
08122 XmX shemesh (Aramaic)
08124 yXmX Shimshay (Aramaic)
08128 !X shen (Aramaic)
08131 anX s@ne' (Aramaic)
08133 anX sh@na' (Aramaic)
08139 hnX sh@nah (Aramaic)
08140 hnX sh@nah (Aramaic)
08160 h[X sha`ah (Aramaic)
08177 r[X s@`ar (Aramaic)
08200 tpX sh@phat (Aramaic)
08209 ryppX shappiyr (Aramaic)
08214 lpX sh@phal (Aramaic)
08215 lpX sh@phal (Aramaic)
08232 rpX sh@phar (Aramaic)
08238 rprpX sh@pharphar (Aramaic)
08243 qX shaq (Aramaic)
08271 arX sh@re' (Aramaic)
08330 XrX shoresh (Aramaic)
08332 wXrX sh@roshuw (Aramaic)
08340 rccbXX Sheshbatstsar (Aramaic)
08353 tX sheth (Aramaic)
08355 htX sh@thah (Aramaic)
08361 !yttX shittiyn (Aramaic)
08406 rbt t@bar (Aramaic)
08411 arydt t@diyra' (Aramaic)
08421 bwt tuwb (Aramaic)
08429 hhwt t@vahh (Aramaic)
08450 rwt towr (Aramaic)
08460 twxt t@chowth (Aramaic)
08479 txt tachath (Aramaic)
08517 glt t@lag (Aramaic)
08523 ytylt t@liythay (Aramaic)
08523 ytylt t@liythay (Aramaic)
08531 tlt t@lath (Aramaic)
08532 tlt t@lath (Aramaic)
08532 tlt t@lath (Aramaic)
08533 !ytlt t@lathiyn (Aramaic)
08536 ~t tam (Aramaic)
08540 hhmt t@mahh (Aramaic)
08578 !ynt tinyan (Aramaic)
08579 twnynt tinyanuwth (Aramaic)
08614 ytpt tiphtay (Aramaic)
08624 @yqqt taqqiyph (Aramaic)
08625 lqt t@qal (Aramaic)
08627 !qt t@qan (Aramaic)
08631 @qt t@qeph (Aramaic)
08632 @qt t@qoph (Aramaic)
08648 !yrt t@reyn (Aramaic)
08651 [rt t@ra` (Aramaic)
08652 [rt tara` (Aramaic)

Here's an example of the present text

AaLaH
AaLaHaA
AaLaHeA
AaLaHeH
AaLaHHuON
AaLaHY
AaLaHaK
AaLaHaN
B'aALaHaA (This lets Baal into God's name. This is a polution from Babylon where the Nestorians lived.)
B'D,aALaHaA
D'aALaHaA
D'aALaHeA
D'aALaHeH
D'aALaHHuON
D'aALaHY
D'aALaHaN
D'B,aALaHaA
AaLaH (Not used of the God of the Bible in the Aramaic)
AiYL (This is a pure pagan form based on Illah of Babylon)
LaALaHaN

Saadiq the website you gave me is the website is for the Syrian form of Aramaic and Bible which is the Peshitta, which is not the Aramaic of Jesus's time. The Peshitta comes from the Syriac form of Aramaic, not from the Aramaic of Jesus's time.

Aramaic can be dated to five periods, dating from inscriptions that go back to the first millennium B.C.:

# Old Aramaic, 925-700
# Official or Imperial (Assyrian) Aramaic, 700-200 (when the language was still uniform)
# Middle Aramaic, 200 B.C. - 200 A.D.
# Late Aramaic, 200-700
# Modern Aramaic, 700 to our time

These dates represent the developments in the Aramaic language and the changes.

http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aramaic

Marie i am suprised that you quote, as your source, Wikipedia. this website, although informative, should not be taken as an authority, due to the fact that the contributors can change or make additions to facts.

To the point, if you visit The Hebrew Union College website at http://cal1.cn.huc.edu/aramaic_language.html they explain the introduction of Aramaic to the Hebrews living before and after the life of jesus. They say

'Aramaic was used by the conquering Assyrians as a language of administration communication, and following them by the Babylonian and Persian empires, which ruled from India to Ethiopia, and employed Aramaic as the official language. For this period, then (about 700–320 B.C.E.), Aramaic held a position similar to that occupied by English today. The most important documents of this period are numerous papyri from Egypt and Palestine.'

They go on further to state...

'These new texts also provide the best evidence for Palestinian Aramaic of the sort used by Jesus and his disciples.'

So we know that Aramaic was introduced to the Jews by conquering nations and that the Aramaic spoken by Jesus and his followers was 'Palistine Aramaic'

So what kind of Aramaic were the people of palestine using at the time of Jesus? If you visit http://www.ashu39.dsl.pipex.com/ChristianMysteries/syriac_language.html#...

you find the following...

'Mesopotamian Syriac is one of this ancient group of Aramaic dialects which included the Galilean dialect that Jesus spoke. Syriac was spoken in south western Mesopotamia in the small kingdom of Osrhoene with its capital at Edessa. The earliest dated Syriac writings are from this kingdom. They are in the form of inscriptions found at Birecik, (near Edessa) dating from 6 AD, (see [12] pp. 1-2, Maricq 1962, and Pirenne 1963) and another inscription at Serrin dated AD 73 (see [12] pp. 2-3). These early Syriac inscriptions demonstrate that the Syriac language and the Estrangela Syriac script existed just before and just after Jesus' ministry. Another first century Syriac inscription was found in Jerusalem and dates from about 49 AD, [6] [7]. This demonstrates that Syriac was also known in Palestine in the first century AD'

So, although we may never know, beyond doubt, which form of Aramaic Jesus spoke, we can say with confidence that it was most likely Syriac Aramaic. As i pointed out to you earlier Marie, the Syriac Aramaic pronounciation for the word GOD is AaLaH or simply ALLAH.

I honestly don't know how i drew myself into a debate, if you can call it that, with Marie. I came to this forum to debate the author of the story that this thread is attached to, one Mr. Amaar Khan. I sent my initial argument, posted above at #39 to Ali Sina at his facebook profile. I sent it to Mr. Sina on February 18th, at 10:46pm and thus far i have received NO response from either Mr. Sina or Mr. Khan. I am still eagerly awaiting their response.

Saadiq
All you quoted and said was nonsense. The Arabs in the days of the Israelites and Jesus was not Arabic. Arab were around all of the time as Sabeans who were thieves and killers of Job's cattle and workers. Their word for Allah was Ilah and later they madce it Allah from the Hindu/Indians who ruled Arabia. The Vedas has Allahs in them. There were 360 Allahs in the Kaaba. Jehovah or Yeheweh is not Allah who was Ba'al, then a moon-god of the Arabian Saeans and they used as theri symbols of their religion the crescent moon and star.

Their camels wore the symbols to identify Ilah/Allah as their god.

According to your book the Quran allah is the DEVIL, the greatest scheme deveiver, and planner. Why would a sane God have to deceive or scheme?
Allah even baptizes, Muslims dont, why? Is it a lie or a scheme?

Saadiq wrote:

"Marie i am suprised that you quote, as your source, Wikipedia. this website, although informative, should not be taken as an authority, due to the fact that the contributors can change or make additions to facts."

Wikipedia is not the only website that states this, there are other websites that also state Aramaic went through fives stages of change.

"‘Mesopotamian Syriac is one of this ancient group of Aramaic dialects which included the Galilean dialect that Jesus spoke. Syriac was spoken in south western Mesopotamia in the small kingdom of Osrhoene with its capital at Edessa. The earliest dated Syriac writings are from this kingdom. They are in the form of inscriptions found at Birecik, (near Edessa) dating from 6 AD, (see [12] pp. 1-2, Maricq 1962, and Pirenne 1963) and another inscription at Serrin dated AD 73 (see [12] pp. 2-3). These early Syriac inscriptions demonstrate that the Syriac language and the Estrangela Syriac script existed just before and just after Jesus’ ministry. Another first century Syriac inscription was found in Jerusalem and dates from about 49 AD, [6] [7]. This demonstrates that Syriac was also known in Palestine in the first century AD’"

Saadiq, Syriac is the chief literary vehicle for Christians in that area. The Jews of that time continued to use the Western Aramaic with it's Hebrew block. That means Syriac was not around when Jesus was alive. Syriac developed after Jesus's death and the Jews did not use that form of Aramaic.