CASTE SYSTEM IN MUSLIM SOCIETY OF INDIA, PART-II
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Origin of Muslim Caste System
Initially, the Muslim caste system in India originated as Ashraf and Ajlaf divide: the Ashraf were the noble castes, who came from foreign lands; the converted Indians were classed as the inferior Razil, Kamin or Ajlaf. This Ashraf-Ajlaf divide was a kind of apartheid as Yogindar Sikand writes,
This owed not just to racial differences, with local converts generally being dark-skinned and the Ashraf lighter complexioned, but also to the fact that the Ashraf belonged to the dominant political elites, while the bulk of the Ajlaf remained associated with ancestral professions as artisans and peasants which were looked down upon as inferior and demeaning.
A classical, oft-quoted example in this regard is provided by the Fatawa-i- Jahandari, written by 14th-century Turkish scholar, Ziauddin Barani, a leading courtier of Sultan Muhammad bin Tughlaq of Delhi. This text is the only known surviving Indo-Persian treatise exclusively devoted to Islamic political theory from the period of the Delhi Sultanate. Barani was a fervent champion of Ashraf supremacy and despised the Ajlaf, whom he designated as 'low-born'. Barani insisted that the Sultan should consider it his religious duty to deny the Ajlaf access to knowledge, branding them as 'mean', and 'despicable'.
Thus he designated the Ajlaf as dogs, pigs and bears and advised the Sultan:
Teachers of every kind are to be sternly ordered not to thrust precious stones down the throats of dogs or to put collars of gold round the necks of pigs and bears, that is, to the mean, the ignoble and the worthless, to shopkeepers and to the low-born they are to teach nothing more than the rules about prayer, fasting, religious charity and the haj pilgrimage, along with some chapters of the Qur'an and some doctrines of the faith, without which their religion cannot be correct and valid prayers are not possible. But they are to be taught nothing else, lest it bring honour to their mean souls.
According to Barani, if the Ajlaf were allowed access to education, they might challenge the Ashraf hegemony. Therefore, he sternly warned the Sultan and said:
They are not to be taught reading and writing, for plenty of disorders arise owing to the skill of the low born in knowledge. If it is discovered at the time of investigation that the teachers have imparted knowledge or taught letters or writing to the low born, inevitably the punishment for their disobedience will be meted out to them.
Barani continued:
To promote base, mean, low-born and worthless men to be the helpers and supporters of the government has not been permitted by any religion, creed, publicly accepted tradition or state-law.
Allah Himself, Barani claimed, had decided that the Ajlaf be confined to 'inferior' occupations, as they were 'low born, bazaar people, base, mean, worthless, plebian, shameless and of dirty birth'. He also maintained that Allah had given them 'base' qualities, such as 'immodesty, wrongfulness, injustice, cruelty, non-recognition of rights, shamelessness, impudence, blood-shedding, rascality, jugglery and Godlessness'. So the Ajlaf had to be restricted from taking up professions reserved by Allah for the Ashraf, even if they were qualified. Therefore, the Ashraf alone had the right and responsibility of taking up 'noble' occupations, such as ruling, teaching and preaching the faith.
Barani warned the king that if the Sultan conferred any post in his court or government service to the Ajlaf, the 'court and the high position of the king would be disgraced, the people of Allah would be distressed and scattered, the objectives of the government would not be attained, and, finally, the king would be punished on the day of Judgment'.
To establish his claim, Barani referred to a hadith, in which Muhammad is said to have declared that for some tribes, 'The vein is deceptive'. Barani explained the tradition that 'the good vein and the bad vein draw towards virtue and vice', and that 'in the well-born and the noble only, the virtue and loyalty appear, while from the man of low birth and bad birth only wickedness and destruction originate'.
Verse 49:13 of the Koran says, "O mankind! Lo! We have created you male and female, and have made you nations and tribes that ye may know one another. Lo! The noblest of you, in the sight of Allah, is the best in conduct. Lo! Allah is knower, Aware."
Many pro-Ashraf scholars believed that the verse conclusively proves that Allah Himself created some people as noble and some others as lowborn. According to H. N. Ansari, a contemporary Indian Muslim scholar and an activist of a 'low' caste Muslim organization, remarked that, this represented a profoundly 'un-Islamic' explanation of the Qur'an. However, Prophet Muhammad himself held a similar view between Koreish and the non-Koreish Arabs. Furthermore, he believed that the Koreish were the noblest among the Arab tribes and only the Koreish had the right to be a Caliph.
The Notion of Kafa'a
The word kafa'a stands for legitimacy of a marriage. It is widely, but fallaciously or deceptively, propagated that the Qur'an and genuine Prophetic traditions consider Muslims as equals, and hence, allow any Muslim to marry a suitable Muslim spouse from any background. In choosing an ideal partner for marriage, they propagate the notion that the Qur'an recommends piety (taqwa) and faith (iman) as the only mark, rather than birth or wealth. They cite examples of the Prophet that he had allowed freed slave men to marry the Arab women. In this regard, they cite the example of Zaid, a black slave freed by Muhammad, to whom the Prophet gave his cousin Zainab in marriage. But they ignore the fact that this marriage was sham, a ploy, set up by aged Muhammad in his desire to add the young and beautiful Zainab into his own harem (read the story: Sex With Daughters-in-Law: Divinely Ordained in Islam).
One must also take into account that the famous Salman the Persian, a distinguished convert of Muhammad, had to withdraw his desire to marry a daughter of Caliph Omar, because he was a non-Arab. It should be added here that Salman had saved Muhammad and his community, and, Islam, for that matter, in the Battle of the Ditch by giving Muhammad the idea of digging a trench surrounding his community as defence. Muhammad himself had thanked Salman for the saving the day for Islam and praised him and his people for their excellence in knowledge.
The social hierarchical system, as recognized by the Quran and Prophet Muhammad (read more here: Racism in Islam: Allah's White Faces), in which the Koreish were placed at the height of nobility, followed by other Arab tribes, followed by non-Arabs, later on evolved further transforming Islamic societies into a sharply hierarchical social order. Notions of social hierarchy based on birth, clan or race also gradually became incorporated into the corpus of writings of Islamic jurisprudence or fiqh. Taking a spouse from outside one's kafa'a was sternly frowned upon, if not explicitly forbidden by the fuqaha (jurists). For a non-Arab, marrying an Arab, particularly a woman, became a social crime during the entire age of Islam, continuing to this day in Arab societies.
In the Indian subcontinent, the vast majority of Indian Muslims follow the Hanafi law. The opinions of the classical Hanafi scholars regarding kafa'a continued reflect the caste system and social hierarchy. Most Indian Hanafis seem to have regarded caste (biraderi), understood as hereditary occupational group (i.e., division of labour) as an essential factor in deciding kafa'a. It was continued to be determined on consideration of following salient points: (1) legal status as free or enslaved (azadi), (2) economic status (maldari), (3) occupation (pesha), (4) intelligence ('aql), (5) family origin or ethnicity (nasb), (6) piety (taqwa), and (7) absence of bodily defects.
In this way, the caste system was legitimized amongst Muslims of India through the notion of kafa'a: taking a spouse from outside one's kafa'a was sternly frowned upon, if not explicitly forbidden by the fuqaha. In support of this notion of kafa'a, the ulama used to refer to a hadith according to which caliph 'Umar refused to let a girl from a rich family to marry a man from a lower class.
But later on, many scholars raised their voice against the above-mentioned caste system amongst Muslims declaring it un-Islamic, out of their ignorance of course. Contemporary Indian Muslim scholar, Maulana 'Abdul Hamid Nu'mani, was one of them. Nu'mani belonged to the Ansari caste of hereditary weavers, traditionally considered 'low born' by ashraf Muslims. He asserted that, according to the Qur'an, kafa'a should be considered only on piety. Hence, the only criterion for deciding a marriage partner should, ideally, be his or her personal character and dedication to the faith. In other words, he suggested that, there should be no religious bar for a Muslim man, even from a low caste, or a low caste Hindu convert to Islam, to marry a Muslim girl from a high caste or vice versa.
However, caste and caste-based social hierarchy, through the notion of kafa'a, were accepted and propagated as a social norm and binding for Muslims by important sections of the ulama. It is widely practised amongst Muslims today, despite some Muslim scholars' denouncement of it (as do Hindus in their society). So, the Muslims of India, who usually denounce Hinduism for its caste system and try to project that Islam is free from this evil, are either ignorant or trying to hide caste system deeply integrated in Muslim society.
In conclusion, let me emphasize that the Muslim society of India are not at all free from many of the socials ills of Hindu society, they frequently point to. They are often as stark and integrated in the Muslim society, but remain unrecognized, unspoken. The Hindus have recognized all its past and continuing social ills and are making strenuous efforts to rid their society from them. The Hindus of India would cleanse their society of these ills and move forward to become a proud and contributory part of the emerging global civilization: the sings are all there for one to see.
Unfortunately, the same cannot be expected of the stagnant Muslim world, of India's Muslims in particular. The Arab Islamic imperialism they embraced did little to free themselves from what they call the ills of Hinduism. Instead, the debilitating, violent nature of their new ideology is crippling them in every respect: their contributions to all indices of social and national development and progress are declining.. Poverty, lack of education, propensity of violence, human rights violation within the Islamic community and beyond are becoming the hallmark of their community within the wider Indian society.
Freeing themselves from the yoke of the Arab imperialism, from the debilitating cult of Islam, remains a precondition for the subcontinental Muslim society (and of the wider Muslim world) to march toward progress and prosperity. Freedom and liberty to choose as one wishes to live one's life, to pursue one's dream, is a precondition to excel in the race of modern civilization. The Islamic creed imparts religious scruples at every step of one's life to pursue what is needed to excel in today's society. For India's Muslims, returning to their civilizational root, which, undoubtedly, allows much greater freedom and liberty, is an option to them. They just have to look around to realize where their non-Muslim neighbors are heading to and where their own society.
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Dr Radhasyam
Dr Radhasyam Brahmachari,
The whole worlds know that there is NO evil caste system in Islam. It's a plague of Hinduism only. It doesn't exist in other religions as well. You are a Hindutva liar and a deceiver.
Some Indian Muslims may practice this evil caste system because of the influence of Hinduism and because they were converted from Hinduism to Islam. It needs time for them to get rid of this disease!
Mr Radha-sham You have missed
Mr Radha-sham
You have missed out one crucial category among moslem slaves of South Asia called Arzals, they are called low-life people by Ashraf muslims (ashrafs are of arab origins).
The ajlafs and arzals are modern day slaves because they bow towards abode of their Arab masters while praying, pointing their butts towards a purported Allah!
Like this man Amim here, who is either a hinjra or kunjra as facts here by his own admission have proved, is an arzal as categorized. The acts of ajlafs and arzals are supposed to be contaminated with meanness and based on ignominity according to an islamic fatwa called Fatwa-i-Jahandari. While one could agree with the tenets of this fatwa based on the acts of Amim here, yet it proves that the concept of equality in Islam is a myth. Moslems have ruled the South Asian sub-continent for about 800 years and all in the name of Islam they could establish was state laws or "Zawabi" which would carry precedence over Sharia law whenever they were in conflict, which established strict Ashraf and ajlaf/arzal system rather than equality.
For instance, if Amim has to refer to his arab masters, he would call them 'Jajmans', while his arab masters would refer to him as 'Kamin'.
In present days, these 'Kamins' perform religious sentry duties for Islam, like inveigling more converts to Islamic fold and get suitably rewarded in kind with more wives and Islamic side-kick jobs in Arab countries.
I wonder also how radha and sham together could be brahmchary. Ha Ha Ha
The sayyeds have played a
The sayyeds have played a crucial role in creating this class or caste based society. I don't know a single sayyed who woul marry his daughter with a Qureishi. The unity of Islam is only superficial, deep down there are so many social divisions in Islam as cannot be counted. Perhaps this why a Non-Saudi resident cannot marry a Saudi lady.
Ibrahim, This is news to me.
Ibrahim,
This is news to me. Isn`t both sayyad and Quresihi of arab origins?
Paki_Islamist It depends a
Paki_Islamist
It depends a lot, there are many people who are butchers and use Qurashee as their surname. Usually these people are know as Kasayee, however these people have taken up the surname Qureshi big time. They do this out of a feeling of superiority that they get out of thinking that they belong to the Qurash tribe when they actually are local converts.
I was saying this with reference to those people.
Hi amim,I think u are
Hi amim,I think u are daydreaming about islam.I am a hindu with a lot of regard for islam,one god one prophet etc, funda.I lived in KSA & poof the regard just vanished.The real islam is all a lie.please go & live in KSA for few years & then write.grow up,open your eyes.U will save yourself & maybe others.
Paki_islamist ; I never knew
Paki_islamist ; I never knew all the Islamic castes you have mentioned. I thought only a few like Sunni, Shiah and Bahai etc are there. Very nice of you to enlighten us. How about the Suffis ? Are they Muslims?What about the Indian, Porkystany, Bangladeshi and other south Asian converted Muslims? How the Saudi Barbarian Muslim Pigs think about those so-called converted Muslims??
Saudi barbarian Muslims consider themselves the only pure breed of Muslims and they treat Asian converted Muslims low caste Sub-Muslim, same as all devout Muslims are considered sub-human by any sensible human-being. LOL
Thanks for the article on
Thanks for the article on Islamic racism. Takruni is the nasty racist names they call Sudanese slaves in KSA. Zunja is the names called other blacks in islam. Zanj is the nasty evil racist named called iraqi Blacks who are not allowed to vote or run for office. Islam is pure evil.
Not only do they hate Jews but everyone else. The Hindus ruled Arabia once and the evil caste system was introduced into the Arab world. Black faces are the lowest, but the African-Indians are not even the untouchables. Wo1w Hinduism and Islam are both racist. I dont want either. Jesus said love your enemy and all are the same, Jew or Gentile. John 3:16 says God loved the WORLD that he sent Jesus to die for us. Allah the DEVIL sent Muhammad to kill for him!
http://pucl.org/index-subject
http://pucl.org/index-subject/dalit-tribal.htm
btily, If one has to really
btily, If one has to really compare the evilness across, there is nothing to beat the Christians (the real human garbage). They have given evilness new heights.
(Jesus said love your enemy and all are the same)
That is what Christians do, love the enemy, hand over the bible to him and steal his land and wealth thereafter. Wear white garbs and preach others.
(God loved the WORLD that he sent Jesus to die for us)
Are you not ashamed of vomiting this crap on a site like this? Who gives a damn to your Jesus, he was a proven nutcase anyway. Fuck off to your church and sing allelulliah there.
Habshi Sorry you lose this
Habshi
Sorry you lose this debate. Those people who did all of that were fake Romans professing to be christians. No where in the Bible did it say kill enslave anyone. As I said I am not a christian so you lose again. If Jesus said love your enmies and Allah said kill them, which is good. Maybe you like to behead non-muslims. Maybe you like to debase dark skinned people. The cussing you engaged in is the kind of talk espoused by the fake prophet Muhammad and Ganhdi. Under Christians of America we have inventions you can never complete. All men named Habshi can do is use them and use the medicine to cure yourselves and the internet to communicate. Indian invented algebra but didnt allow any but the fair skinned Brahmin to use them. Christendom are the people you are talking about. Even those people gave you schools, hospitals ambulances you renamed crescent moon and star frompagan Arabs named SABEANS. Now you denegrate them after taking all of their holy days called Ramadan, hajj, and eid. Islam or Hinduism are not very nice to people created by God. Who are you to tell them that they are untouchables, when God created them dark.
Btilly wrote: Islam or
Btilly wrote: Islam or Hinduism are not very nice to people created by God. Who are you to tell them that they are untouchables, when God created them dark. >>>> Where is untouchability mentioned in the Hindu scriptures? There are only four varnas or profession mentioned in the scriptures. These are intellectual class, warrior class, business class, and labour class. Every human being takes up one of these professions based on his/her capabilities. There is a saying - janmena na bhavati varnah, parantu karmena-- meaning a person's profession is based on his/her ability and not by birth. There is nothing as such called 'untouchables' in the scriptures. If some people have practiced out of ignorance, then they will have to pay for the bad karma.
Now, having clarified my point, tell me till now how many blacks have been elected to the position of Pope? How many women have assumed that position? Old testament and Quran are identical in nature. You guys say Old testament is the word of God. However, practically no Christian in the west believes in that crap. Then does that mean that Christians are not following the words of God? Practically you have informed Christian God to reform himself or shut up.
Finally, why Jesus is the only way for salvation (as per Bible)? If he is the only begotten son of God, what is our relationship with God? What happened to those who lived prior to Jesus? What will happen to those who are good and never want to believe that Jesus is the only path for salvation. The answer according to Bible is that those non-believers will be burnt in eternal hell. So much is the love of Christian God, eih?
Have you noticed why Yoga, Pranayama, Ayurveda, and other heathen techniques have become popular in the west? Nobody gives damn about your Christianity. Except for crying over the roof to ask Jesus for take up your sins, Christianity doesn't offer anything. So better clean up your Christian mess before pointing fingers towards others
Silenzer The Talmud and the
Silenzer
The Talmud and the quran are the same not the torah. God only gave the Hebrews the Law and only the Hebrews under moses were entitles to those laws. Enslaved rabbis wrote the quran as they did the Talmud which they tell you that is is not inspired of godb but ramblings of rabbis. The rabbi slaves were educated And made fools of Muhammad and his gang.
as far as Hinduism is concern, the fact that one caNNOT CHANGE OCCUPATIONS TELLS US THAT IT IS EVIL. God made us all with the abiklity to perform all duties as we wish not a predestined labor. That was made up by indu religious racist men to maintain control. Islam is not the same as the OT but Judaism. Islam is not the same as christainity but Roman Catholism. Muhammad copied pagan arabs, Judaism, and catholicism.
Count Dracula defeated Muslims in the 14th century and drank their blood after a contract with the Holy See. The Bible say for christians-NO SLAVERY 1 tim 1-10. Islam said slavery was ok and sex with slaves was not adultery.
I am not a member of Christendom. However, Christendom stopped slavery and you all did nothing but blame Jews. Take responsibility for your own evil satanic crap. the first polygamy was done by evil jinns.
Silenzer Wrong. there is no
Silenzer
Wrong. there is no burning hellfire. The Hebrews never believed in a hellfire only Judaism. Christian never had a hellfire but dust to dust. No loving god burn one forever. Only evil satanic minds do that crap. The ones before christ will be resurrected and live forever on earth as a Paradise not in heaven as Jesus said in Matt. 22'30 THERE IS NO MALE NOR FEMALE IN HEAven, but those who enter are like angels. Pagan christians made up thst crap. gehenna was the place where Jews burned dead bad men outside of Jerusalem until they were consumed. All men go to sheol, hades, hell-all the same grave.
The 8 Monkeys (This is
The 8 Monkeys
(This is reportedly based on an actual experiment conducted in the U.K.)
Put eight monkeys in a room. In the middle of the room is a ladder, leading to a bunch of bananas hanging from a hook on the ceiling.
Each time a monkey tries to climb the ladder, all the monkeys are sprayed with ice water, which makes them miserable. Soon enough, whenever a monkey attempts to climb the ladder, all of the other monkeys, not wanting to be sprayed, set upon him and beat him up. Soon, none of the eight monkeys ever attempts to climb the ladder.
One of the original monkeys is then removed, and a new monkey is put in the room. Seeing the bananas and the ladder, he wonders why none of the other monkeys are doing the obvious. But undaunted, he immediately begins to climb the ladder.
All the other monkeys fall upon him and beat him silly. He has no idea why.
However, he no longer attempts to climb the ladder.
A second original monkey is removed and replaced. The newcomer again attempts to climb the ladder, but all the other monkeys hammer the crap out of him.
This includes the previous new monkey, who, grateful that he's not on the receiving end this time, participates in the beating because all the other monkeys are doing it. However, he has no idea why he's attacking the new monkey.
One by one, all the original monkeys are replaced. Eight new monkeys are now in the room. None of them have ever been sprayed by ice water. None of them attempt to climb the ladder. All of them will enthusiastically beat up any new monkey who tries, without having any idea why.
This is how muslims are.
Raja I agree. Another one is
Raja I agree.
Another one is that the monkeys all follow the first one because he speaks well and is articulate and went to Harvard.
Btilly: The Talmud and the
Btilly: The Talmud and the quran are the same not the torah.
>> Let us examine the Torah, the word of God!
1. And your slave and your maidservant that you may have from among the nations around you, from them you may acquire slaves and maidservants, and they shall be your property." (Lev 25: 44-45)
2."And if a person strikes the eye of his slave and blinds him, he shall send him free on account of the eye. And if he causes the tooth of his slave to be knocked out, he shall send him free on account of the tooth." (Lev 21:26-27) There are many verses like this in Torah. What do you say Btilly?
Btilly: as far as Hinduism is concern, the fact that one caNNOT CHANGE OCCUPATIONS TELLS US THAT IT IS EVIL.
>> You are seeing with jaundiced eyes! Valmiki, the author of Ramayan, was a hunter by birth and profession, who later practiced meditation and become a great sage; Veda Vyas, the author of Mahabharath, Upanishads, and Puranas was born to a fisherwoman; Chanakya, one of the greatest authors on finance (arthashastra) was a barber by birth; Chandragupta Maurya, the King who routed out the Greek army, was a shephard by birth; Karna, though raised by a charioteer, became one of the greatest warriors; Parashuram, though born as a Brahmin, became a warrior. In the recent history, RK Narayanan, though born in a low caste (it is a recent denomination), became the President of India; Narendra Modi, Mayawati, Karunanidhi are the low caste born people now assuming the position of Chief Minister in Indian states. So you better learn about Hindu religion and then write!
Finally, Christianity did not abolish slavery. If Christianity were to abolish slavery, mass murder, and rape, it wouldn't have kept quiet in the middle ages. Do u remember Europe was under Dark ages under evil Christinity? All Christian verses point out to flat earth and Bible itself is highly unscientific. Europe was reformed by certain reformists and not by the Church. The church power is as evil as it was before. Why Religion (church) is separated from State in western countries? It is precisely because of the horrors of Christianity.
Here is the word of God : http://www.godisaliar.com/ It shows Bible is written by fools.
sILENZER As i said the OT
sILENZER
As i said the OT was for Jerws only no one else. Moses gave the Law to Israelites not Egyptians or Arabs.
2.Hindus are bamboozled into believing that because one is born to a high caste they are better than others. all had sex the same way and came from a vagina.
3.Recent history, why do you still have a low caste. Havent you leanred yet. If the low caste became king that tells anyone with common sense that the caste is a false claim.
4. Americans and Europeans Christendom did abolish slavery. During the dark ages everyone was in slavery! whites were called mamluks or indentured servants. Wilberforce was a member of the Church and wrote Amazing Grace.
I agree that the Church did evil as only the pope and leaders read in Latin. that is why Protestants l.eft England.
5. As I said that was not Christianity, but pagan Christendom. The Bible said slavery was wrong but who read the Bible? Hindus have the racist caste Islam has racism.
Since the bible never said slavery and Vedas and Quran said slavery I would rather use the Bible because no christian can deny that the bible never said kill unbelievers or enslave them. The OT was not Christians it was only for Jews. so stop trying to use the OT to degrade the Bible. Read. Judaism is not in the Bible but was concocted in 539 BCE when Jews were released from Iran by Cyress.
Again, ther Talmud and Quran have the same words. Rabbis who were slaves to Muslims wrote the Quran and reversed the words.
Isa.40:22 says the earth is
Isa.40:22 says the earth is round. Stop lying.
i wonder y there is no
i wonder y there is no mention of a sect called as "24 number" of muslim...
ppl like zakir naik and strict followers of queeran belong to this sect and they dont beleive in peers like Khajwa garib nawaz in Ajmer....or like haji malang.....
There are the 5%ers called
There are the 5%ers called Black Gods/scientist, an offshoot of the Nation of Islam. the leader was killed by other gods.
Btilly, you asked me to
Btilly, you asked me to provide to prove that occupation is not based on birth, and I proved it. Whatever culture or religion you take: there must be different classes. Can you and Mormons pray together? Haven't Catholics called Protestants heretics in the past? Can Mormons, Protestants, Catholics, and Pentacostals marry amongst each other? No it will never happen? Then aren't these demoninations of Xnity different castes? Or may be worst than castes? Haven't Catholics fought bitterly against Protestants in Ireland?
Better understand that there are only 4 varnas or classes. If these have generated into castes, it is a problem and Hindus have done enough to solve their problems. They are the first to accept problems with a broad vision. OTOH, has Christianity addressed these problems? So better clean up your mess before pointing fingers towards others.
Now-a-days it is very common in India to marry outside of your caste. So they are returning to their roots---- Only 4 varnas or professions exist. Now tell me why Hindu gifts such as pranayama, yoga, ayurveda etc are becoming popular in the west. The church is so horrified that it has started its own 'Christian yoga' to counter the growth. Why is that boy?
Silenzer Catholics and
Silenzer
Catholics and Protestant have been fighting since Martin Luther. As I said they were not Christians but pagan. Jesus never said kill each other or others. Jesussasiddo not kill.
Mormons followed Islam and said all of the Jews were Mormons.(smile) Muhammad said all were Muslims. Christendom has tridd more than many older cults. Finally many people began to read the bible saw for themselves that slavrery was wrong and so was caste. Catholics and Protestants in Ireland were disobedient to the Bible. THEY WERE WRONG. It was political, not religious. The West adapt to everything. Satanist cults are on the rise more than Hinduism. Gangs are gaining more than religion. People dont want that stuff. You can start a religion. Would you join my religion? Joseph Smith said he wanted to be the next Muhammad and he copied everything he did. Polygamy, a new book, a new prophet (another last one) Mormon women can marry the dead. Hindu begin with yogo and then talk caste.Americans do it all because we can. The Democrasts are trying to bring Marxism to America with Islam as the State religion.
Please don't equate Hinduism
Please don't equate Hinduism with Islam.....its futile to talk to you guys about the way of living called Hinduism....its not a religion.....no hindu is forced to follow or believe in hinduism or God....there are many demigods we worship...but most of the people dont know that we also believe that there is only one supreme godhead....some called him SHIVA, whose mentions are in the ruins of the Mohen-jodaro and harrapa civilizations....some call him VISHNU...we are the oldest of all the religions. It is because of the hindus' tolerant behaviour that India still remains as the country with highest degree of diversity in language, religion, caste....tell me which other country has such diversity .....where you can see a sikh Prime minister, a Muslim president...we also had MRs Indira gandhi..a woman PM......even though we are plagued with corruption, catesim..e.tc.....we still remain as the one nation.....look at china for example and see how muslims are treated there...we dont resort to such means.....where there is so much diversity, there is boound to be mishaps....if it was any other country or religion...take my word for it...India would have disintegrated like the once great USSR......its time that people realize that hinduism is the peace loving way of living...not to forget the great Gautam Buddha was a hindu king........stop comparing Hinduism with Islam......as every Indian...we dont force any one to believe what we say....we let nature take its own course.....its not for "no reason" that we have survived so many years...
JAI HIND
Rajguru Hinduism is not the
Rajguru
Hinduism is not the same as Islam. We know that. But Hinduism is what part of Islam was based on. The caste system and the Kaaba is all from Hinduism. Shiva and Durga are Hindu Gods of Allahs. the penis and bagina are inside of the Kaaba in Mecca. Hinduism is one of the oldest religions in the area. Hindus are no better than Islam because of the racism. America has divserity and helped India to produce. You said language, religion, and caste. Caste is pure evil racism. The Dalits are not allowed to enter a Hindu temple, because they are dark skinned Africans. You had a Muslim President because the Muslims invaded India and killed 80 million and if not for the British, India would be like Pakistan, all Muslims. Pakistan is mostly Untouchables with a few Brahamin to rule. Hinduism was a lot nicer than Islam, but at least you fought back as best you could.
You dont force Hinduism on people because what caste will you put the converts! Brahmin or Untouchables. (smile) Afro-Indians are not even untouchables. You survided like all other people, conquered and reconquered.+
Hinduism cant convert
Islam convert useful idiots-Arab Imperialism-Arabs are the best of Islam-dont Indian Muslims know that. They will never be real muslims. just useful idiots like African and Black American converts from jail.
Rajguru and Silzencer: What
Rajguru and Silzencer:
What happened to our debate. Totally enjoyable!
I suppose the debaters are
I suppose the debaters are through!