Beating women in Islam: Qur'an and Hadith Evidence
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Dawud, Book 11, Number 2142, Narrated Umar ibn al-Khattab:
The Prophet (PBUH) said: A man will not be asked as to why he beat his wife.
Introduction
This article discusses the issue of wife beating as sanctioned in Sura 4, Verse 34. I will discuss some of Dr. Jamal Badawi's writings on the issue. I will also be introducing some Hadiths to prove my claims.
Can a Doctor Lie?
The answer is a resounding YES
Dr. Jamal Badawi writes about the husband's problems when they are at a great tension in relation to his wife (http://www.jannah.org/sisters/end.html)
- Instead of divorce, the husband may resort to another measure that may save themarriage, at least in some cases. Such a measure is more accurately described as a gentle tap on the body, but NEVER ON THE FACE, making it more of a symbolic measure than a punitive one. Following is the related Qur'anic text: Men are the protectors and maintainers of women. because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whose part you fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (next) do not share their beds,(and last) beat (tap) them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them means (of annoyance): for Allah is Most High, Great (above you all). (4:34)
Now, I do not know Dr. Badawi in person, but I have been told he has a gentle personality and kind manners. That is commendable indeed. I have no quarrel with that. I do have a problem with a person who knows better, and lies, just because he is writing to western audience. Believe it or not, the beating of a wife in Islam is not a gentle tap as Mr. Badawi portrays. It is a good beating. The Qur'an does not say its a gentle tap. Hadiths support my claims here too. Here is the above Qur'anic verse that Mr. Badawi just quoted in Arabic and in the three reliable English translations:
ٱلرِّجَالُ قَوَّٲمُونَ عَلَى ٱلنِّسَآءِ بِمَا فَضَّلَ ٱللَّهُ بَعۡضَهُمۡ عَلَىٰ بَعۡضٍ۬ وَبِمَآ أَنفَقُواْ مِنۡ أَمۡوَٲلِهِمۡۚ فَٱلصَّـٰلِحَـٰتُ قَـٰنِتَـٰتٌ حَـٰفِظَـٰتٌ۬ لِّلۡغَيۡبِ بِمَا حَفِظَ ٱللَّهُۚ وَٱلَّـٰتِى تَخَافُونَ نُشُوزَهُنَّ فَعِظُوهُنَّ وَٱهۡجُرُوهُنَّ فِى ٱلۡمَضَاجِعِ وَٱضۡرِبُوهُنَّۖ فَإِنۡ أَطَعۡنَڪُمۡ فَلَا تَبۡغُواْ عَلَيۡہِنَّ سَبِيلاًۗ إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ كَانَ عَلِيًّ۬ا ڪَبِيرً۬ا (٣٤)
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- YUSUFALI: Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance): For Allah is Most High, great (above you all).
- PICKTHAL: Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property (for the support of women). So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah hath guarded. As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them. Lo! Allah is ever High, Exalted, Great.
- SHAKIR: Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great.
I would like to draw the reader's attention that the exact wording translation from Arabic is “beat them”. There is no (At last). There is no (lightly). Adding such words is just a lie to make good of an evil Qur'anic verse. This is why I mentioned earlier that Mr. Badawi is lying. In fact, the reader can go on “Utube” and find Imams videos telling people when and how to beat their wives (and it is not lightly by any means). “Lightly” is a word Muslim apologetics try to add to defend the Qur'an and Islam. Now, I do not care who you are, and I do not care if you think you can beat your wife lightly (i.e. lovingly beat her with a tooth brush!!), if you believe in such nonsense, I hope reincarnation is true. I hope you will be reborn as a Muslim's wife who believes in a “good beating”. Hopefully you can see how it feels when you are on the receiving end of it. I believe that will definitely serve you right.
Going back to Dr. Badawi's claims above. Aside from his lie about “lightly tapping” your wife, I do have many issues with the above quote. First, does Dr. Badawi believe that men are “protectors” and “maintainers” of women as the above evil Qur'anic verse states? Does the physical strength of men justify Allah's making them maintainers and protectors of women? Does the physical strength of men justifies them being the economic power that women will have to rely on? Why does a woman have to be “devoutly obedient” to the husband? Why shouldn't the wife be an equal partner in the marriage? The above verse that Dr. Badawi quoted is just replete, and saturated inside and out, with Evil.
The Truth about wife beating from the hadiths is this:
The Man is the absolute master in the house. Beating your wife is definitely allowed in Islam. It should not be as severe as beating your slave. That's all. You can beat your wife (lovingly !!) pretty good. Make it count!! Just do not break her bones! If you do, she may be able to leave and get a divorce. So, bruising, blue marks, red marks, ..etc are all okay. Just don't go too violently in beating her so as to break her bones. In fact, it is preferred to use a stick or a whip to beat your wife with (easier than using your hand, thats for sure!!). This is what I deduced from an honest reading of the Qur'an and the Hadith about wife beating.
What can I say? The Islamic teachings on women are EVIL. It is hard not see Evil in, no matter what Qur'anic subject you research.
Related Hadiths
Bukhari, Volume 8, Book 73, Number 68: Narrated 'Abdullah bin Zam'a: The Prophet forbade laughing at a person who passes wind, and said, "How does anyone of you beat his wife as he beats the stallion camel and then he may embrace (sleep with) her?" And Hisham said, "As he beats his slave"
Muslim, Book 005, Number 2238: Hammam b. Munabbih said: These are some of the a hadith of Muhammad. the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him), transmitted to us on the authority of Abu Huraira. So he narrated one hadith out of them (as this): The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: No woman should observe fast when her spouse is present (in the house) but with his permission. And she should not admit any (mahram) in his house, while he (her husband) is present, but with his permission. And whatever she spends from his earnings without his sanction, for him is half the reward.
Muslim, Book 030, Number 5756: 'A'isha reported that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) never beat anyone with his hand, neither a woman nor a servant, but only, in the case when he had been fighting in the cause of Allah and he never took revenge for anything unless the things made inviolable by Allah were made violable; he then took revenge for Allah, the Exalted and Glorious.
Dawud, Book 1, Number 0142, Narrated Laqit ibn Sabirah: I (the narrator Laqit) then said: Messenger of Allah, I have a wife who has something (wrong) in her tongue, i.e. she is insolent. He said: Then divorce her. I said: Messenger of Allah, she had company with me and I have children from her. He said: Then ask her (to obey you). If there is something good in her, she will do so (obey); and do not beat your wife as you beat your slave-girl. I said: Messenger of Allah, tell me about ablution. He said: Perform ablution in full and make the fingers go through the beard and snuff with water well except when you are fasting.
Dawud, Book 12, Number 2220, Narrated Aisha, Ummul Mu'minin: Habibah daughter of Sahl was the wife of Thabit ibn Qays Shimmas He beat her and broke some of her part. So she came to the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) after morning, and complained to him against her husband. The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) called on Thabit ibn Qays and said (to him): Take a part of her property and separate yourself from her. He asked: Is that right, Apostle of Allah? He said: Yes. He said: I have given her two gardens of mine as a dower, and they are already in her possession. The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: Take them and separate yourself from her.
Malik, Book 30, Number 30.2.13: Yahya related to me from Malik that Abdullah ibn Dinar said, "A man came to Abdullah ibn Umar when I waswith him at the place where judgments were given and asked him about the suckling of an older person. Abdullah ibn Umar replied, 'A man came to Umar ibn al-Khattab and said, 'I have a slave-girl and I used to have intercourse with her. My wife went to her and suckled her. When I went to the girl, my wife told me to watch out, because she had suckled her!' Umar told him to beat his wife and to go to his slave-girl because kinship by suckling was only by the suckling of the young.'
Dawud: Book 11, Number 2126:Narrated Basrah: A man from the Ansar called Basrah said: I married a virgin woman in her veil. When I entered upon her, I found her pregnant. (I mentioned this to the Prophet). The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: She will get the dower, for you made her vagina lawful for you. The child will be your slave. When she has begotten (a child), flog her (according to the version of al-Hasan). The version of Ibn AbusSari has: You people, flog her, or said: inflict hard punishment on him.
There is mistranslation of
There is mistranslation of Ghalib's verses.Doondne nikle ek per miley Hazaar. Roughly I ventured out to look for one idiot and found thousands! Islamic followers rightly fit this sayin. No need to even look for one moslem idiot, will be swamped by billions of idiots.
Criminals from all religions are getting attarcted to this evil of Islam.Its high time the decent moslems get out, lest they also be painted with same criminal brush.
There is truth in what you
There is truth in what you say PK. Islam is like a dream come true for every crimal and maniac. Every crime is justified and praiseworthy in Islam. rape, murder, loot, rioting, you name it. What more could a criminal want than convert to a religion which says that every action of these criminals which was a sin according to their former religions is fully justified according to Islam. For each act of crime against humanity this crimanal gets a room full of virgins, every Felon's dream.....
Christian deceiver Kammuna's
Christian deceiver Kammuna's lies have been debunked here:
http://www.islamawareness.net/Wife/beating2.html
AMIM, Greetings brother this
AMIM, Greetings brother
this is a lie brother and you know it. This link you posted says beating means to go abroad or leave. This is utter nonsense. Arabic is my mother tongue man. But even if it was not look at the verse 4:34 above. It is a clear gradual progression from bad to worse...desertion...then admonishing..then not sleeping with them.. then what?...a good beating believe it or not AMIM.
Plus this link understands Beating as leaving them..then what does desertion, the first stage in this process, mean?
Now, AMIM, brother, open your eyes, smell the roses on the road, scratch your brain, and think again. I am not asking you to become and apostate. I am just asking you to sit back, and think objectively about this. re-read the hadiths above man. In one of those Hadiths a person breaks the bones of a woman. What did Muhammad do? Nothing to the man. In fact he gave him some fortune, and gave the woman some property and sent them on thier way, divorced. Is this Justice and Fairness that you expect from the best of creation Muhammad (PBUH)?
Let us be objective brother.
Have a great day
THE STRAW MAN IN THE WIZARD
THE STRAW MAN IN THE WIZARD OF OZ DIDNT HAVE A BRAIN TO SCRATCH. MUSLIMS ARE NOT TO HAVE RED ROSES. If a Muslim beheads an infidel, that is mercy of allah. A crooked ideology. Would Muslims say the same if I believe in beheading them? What if my religion, if I had one, said kill all non-?, especially Muslims of Islam, not Jewish Muslims. What would they say. Racism, when you have all races in both!
Woah! I just returned back
Woah! I just returned back home from work and guess what I find. The neighbouthood muslims beheading their wives.
Shame on all those follow the religion of Piss, ie.e, Islam
"Malik, Book 30, Number
"Malik, Book 30, Number 30.2.13: Yahya related to me from Malik that Abdullah ibn Dinar said, “A man came to Abdullah ibn Umar when I waswith him at the place where judgments were given and asked him about the suckling of an older person. Abdullah ibn Umar replied, ‘A man came to Umar ibn al-Khattab and said, ‘I have a slave-girl and I used to have intercourse with her. My wife went to her and suckled her. When I went to the girl, my wife told me to watch out, because she had suckled her!’ Umar told him to beat his wife and to go to his slave-girl because kinship by suckling was only by the suckling of the young.’ "
I think stupid Umar didn't knew the following ... Or maybe he knew that
Mohammad was a liar and any change can be brought about anytime
according to what pleases him...
Ibn Abu Mulaika reported that al-Qasim b. Muhammad b. Abu Bakr had narrated to him that ‘A’isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported that Sahla bint Suhail b. ‘Amr came to Allah’s Apostle (may peace be upon him) and said: Messenger of Allah, Salim (the freed slave of Abu Hudhaifa) is living with us in our house, and he has attained (puberty) as men attain it and has acquired knowledge (of the sex problems) as men acquire, whereupon he said: Suckle him so that he may become unlawful (in regard to marriage) for you He (Ibn Abu Mulaika) said: I refrained from (narrating this hadith) for a year or so on account of fear. I then met al-Qasim and said to him: You narrated to me a hadith which I did not narrate (to anyone) afterwards. He said: What is that? I informed him, whereupon he said: Narrate it on my authority that ‘A’isha (Allah be pleased with her) had narrated that to me.
Book 008, Number 3427:
Umm Salama said to ‘A’isha (Allah be pleased with her): A young boy who is at the threshold of puberty comes to you. I, however, do not like that he should come to me, whereupon ‘A’isha (Allah be pleased with her) said: Don’t you see in Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) a model for you? She also said: The wife of Abu Hudhaifa said: Messenger of Allah, Salim comes to me and now he is a (grown-up) person, and there is something that (rankles) in the mind of Abu Hudhaifa about him, whereupon Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: Suckle him (so that he may become your foster-child), and thus he may be able to come to you (freely).
So if you go by these two ... Then act the slave girl became the mother-in-law
and so he had sex with his mother in law .... WTF....
arRe SANJU when the death
arRe SANJU when the death comes near to you then you will realize no IDOLS.. THAT THREE CRORES PLUS IDOLS NO ONE COMES TO SAVE AND NO ONE CAN GIVE YOU BREATH AND LIFE, BUT ONLY ONE GOD IF HE WISHES.. BUT PEOPLE LIKE YOU WILL FELL IN DREADFUL HELL.. WHEN YOU WILL DWELLING FOREVER.. IT IS NOT THE JOKE.. STILL YOU CAN THINK ABOUT THE WORLD WHO IS BEHIND.. WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT EACH THING IN AROUND YOU.. IF YOU HAVE BRAIN. honestly you tell me what is your puranas says about the EARTH AND SKY.. YOU GO AND CHECK THE GLOBE AND WHETHER SNAKE (AADISEH IS CARRYING THIS EARTH??? THEN WHY YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT OTHER RELIGION.. CORRECT YOUR RELIGION.. THEN YOU SHOULD COMMENT… YOU WORSHIP TO THE xxxxxxx AND YOU WORSHIP TO HUMAN ORGAN… IS NOT THE FOOLISH WHAT YOU DO? ASK YOUR OWN MIND..
hi... Light.. I am telling
hi... Light.. I am telling you that it does'nt mean you are animal. I mean to say that you people are acting like a animals and you are not using brain.. brainless means you have brain but you are not using and I know that but some people used the very bad and foul language.. Atleast to keepsilent I have said that used to say your acts are like animals. You can't expect the freedom like animals for human.. When I use to this animals words to explain you how you feel.. other I never used in my life. but now after I am seeing on this website the people views that you are baseless and meaningless. If you are true HINDU or Christian or Jew who ever wants talk about Islam.. you should come to common terms.. you can't expel like what you believe in things. You have to understand that if any religion says about beating means to restrict beating a women Islam only the religion
YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT IF ANY RELIGION SAYS ABOUT RESTRICTING THE ACT OF BEATING OR NOT BEATING THE WOMEN . IT IS ONLY RELIGION THAT IS ISLAM SAYS THAT WHEN YOU CAN'T CONTROL OR WHEN THE WOMEN BEHAVIOUR GOES BEYOND THE LIMIT THEN BEAT ONLY WITH TOOTH STICK(BRUSH SIZE). HOW MUCH YOU CAN HIT WITH 2 FINGERS LENGTH STICK..THAT IS WHY I SAY THAT YOU PEOPLE ARE USING BRAINS.. YOU HAVE LEFT YOUR BRAINS TO THOSE IDOLS WHICH THEY CAN'T SERVE ONE TIME FOOD THEM SELVES NOR THEY OFFER ONE TIME.***** HIT WITH SMALL TOOTH BRUSH SIZE STICK THAT MEANS RESTRICED BEATING OR HARMING THE WOMEN... IT IS THE MOHAMMED PEACE BE UPON HIM WHO TAUGHT EVEN THE ARABS AND BEFORE THEY WERE USING TO DIS-RESPECT AND BEAT WOMEN IN GENERAL THAT IS THE REASON IT WAS ASKED TO USE TOOTH BRUSH SIZE STICK.. YOU IDIOTS WHEN YOU FEEL YOU ARE CHANGING THE WORDS IN YOUR RELIGION WHICH CANT CALLED AS RELIGIOUS ACTS.. BUT IT IS YOUR BEVAKUFI ACTS WHICH YOU DONT ANY PRINCIPLES.. YOU HONESTLY TELL AND SEE THE DAILY NEWS PAPERS IT IS YOU ARE THE PEOPLE DAILY KILLINGS AND WOUNDING THE WOMEN ALL OVER WORLD AND DIS-RESPECTING THE WOMEN. DO YOU KNOW THAT HOW MUCH RESPECT YOU PEOPLE ARE GIVING TO IN HINDUISM, TELL ME HONESTLY AFTER MUSLIMS RULING CAME THEN ONLY YOUR COWARDLY ACTS STOPPED KILLING WOMEN IN FIRE.. HERE WHERE IS THE BEATING BUT YOU WERE KILLING YOUR WIVES ALIVE IN THE FIRE**** WHAT DO YOU CALL THIS ACT.. THIS WAS STOPPED ONLY BY RAJA RAMA MOHAN ROY. YOU STUDY HIS HISTORY DON'T WASTE TIME HERE.. IT IS APPLICABLE TO EVERY ONE WHO WANTS DEBATE ISLAM. THERE ARE MANY EXAMPLES ARE THERE.. EVEN NOW YOU PEOPLE ARE LIVING IN DARKNESS. YOU ARE THE PEOPLE WHO WANTS TO PLAY WITH WOMEN AND LOOTING THEIR RIGHTS WHAT THEY SUPPOSE TO BE AND USING THE WOMEN AS YOUR SERVERS WHEN YOU WANT THEM THEY HAVE TO SHOW THEIR PRIVATE PARTS... WHEN YOU WANT YOU WANTS TO CONSUME THE ALCOHOL.. WHEN YOU WANT YOU WANT ILLEGAL SEX WITH YOUR GIRL FRIENDS OR WOMEN. BECAUSE ALL THIS RESTRICTED AND NOT ALLOWED IN ISLAM THAT IS WHY YOU ARE HATING US. INSTEAD OF PUTING YOUR MIND TO REALITY SIDE.. FOR your personal benefits you want change your words whenever you wants.. WHEN YOU ARE WRONG THERE IS NO HARM TELLING THE TRUTH.. BECAUSE YOU PEOPLE DON'T LIKE TRUTH. ******understand this first.. We no need to change a single character in Quran, Insha Allah, we will never change any single word and All words with truth and last forever until THE END OF DAYS.. AND THE JUDGEMENT DAY... Alhamdulillah.. every word is sent by ALLAH, he is only one GOD on these whole worlds.. no one can change this TRUTH.. the Allah who gives us and gives you and gives the life.. The same God who has created you and me and all.. That means there is only one super power over all of us and all things that is Allah(SWT)..
ARRE LIGHT.. WHEN WILL BRING
ARRE LIGHT.. WHEN WILL BRING YOUR BRAIN A LIGHT .. YOU ARE A IDIOT.. ALL BAD WORDS AND FOUL LANGUAGE YOU USE IT APPLIES TO YOU AND YOUR PEOPLE IT IS MULTIPLE TIMES AND YOU ARE MULTIPLE TIMES IDIOT... I LIKE IF IT IS TRUTH.. IF IT IS LIES.. YOU ARE THE PEOPLE OF LIVING LIERS GARDENS..
GOODMAN.. THIS HARAAMIS ARE CHOOSING THE DREADFUL HELL.. YOU ARE RIGHT WHY YOU HAVE USED DOGLY ACTING PEOPLE.. BECAUSE THESE PEOPLE ARE IN THE HANDS OF EVIL.. THEY WILL NOT UNDERSTAND.. THIS POOR FELLOWS WHAT DO THEY KNOW ABOUT ISLAM.. THIS FELLOWS ARE TAKING ENGLISH TRANSALTED VERSIONS.. WHERE THIS MAY HAVE DIFFRENT MEANINGS FOR THE SAME WORDS.. DONT YOU KNOW THAT.. THESE IDIOTS WHY CANT THEY CORRECT THEIR IDOL WORSHIP WHERE THERE IS NO BENFITS.. IDOL'S CANNT SERVE THEM A SINGLE MINUTE..
IN MAHABHARAT " ARJUNA BRINGS ONE FRUIT AND TAKES IT TO HIS MOTHER. AND SAYS " MOTHER.. I BROUGHT ONE FRUIT" THEN ARJUNA'S MOTHER REPLYS.. OHH.. DEAR SON GO SHARE AMONG ALL OF YOUR 4 BROTHERS.. WHO IS THAT FRUIT.. NOTHING BUT SHE IS DRAUPADI a Women.. ONE LADY MARRIES to 5 MEMBERS OF PANDAVAs that too all are brothers.. WHAT a COWARDLY ACT IS THIS?????******** ONE WIFE AND 5 HUSBANDS..
What else do you know that**********************When SRIRAMA IS ON HUNTING IN A JUGNLE" THIS MAN GOES FOR HUNTING IN A JUGLE FOR DEERS OR ANIMALS.. HE HUNTS DEERS AND ANIMALS .. WHAT PUNISHMENT DO YOU GIVE THIS MAN FOR KILLING AN ANIMALS. UNDER WHICH ANIMALS KILLINGS ACT. THIS MAN ALSO KILLS THE PEOPLE. WITH ARROW.. HERE I ASK WHAT PUNISHMENT WOULD have been given him.. UNDER WHAT ANIMALS KILLING ACT IS THERE ??? NOT JUST THAT OVER .. ALSO I WANTed TO ASK you IDIOT.. When SriRAM in a Jungle for 14days.. I think not 14days..or 14 years.. I think.. I am not sure .. When RAVANA RAKSHASA APPREHNDED HER TO SRILANKA.. WHAT WOULD HAVE HAPPEN TO SEETHA(SRIRAMA'S WIFE) SUCH A LONG PERIOD IN THE HANDS OF RAVANA.. DO YOU THINK THAT IS SHE IS A PURE???
THIS SO CALLED BLASTERED KOMAL IS TALKING ABOUT RESPECTING THE WOMEN.. DO YOU KNOW WHAT HAPPENED IN GODHRA IN GUJARATH.. FEW YEARS BACK.. THE WHOLE WORLD KNOWS ABOUT THIS INCIDENT.. EVEN AMERICA AND CANADA HAS BANNED THE FOOLISH CM.. WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR KILLING THE INNOICENT PEOPLE MEN AND WOMEN OF GUJARAT.
THIS THEIR COWARDLY ACTS ARE NOT NEW TO THIS PEOPLE.. FROM MANY YEARS THEY WERE FOLLOWING THEIR TRADITIONS AND KILLING MANY INNOCENT PEOPLE.. IN INDIA EVERY WOMEN IF I AM NOT WRONG.. KNOWS ABOUT SATI SAHAGAMANA.. (KILLING THE WIFE ALIVE IN A FIRE AFTER HUSBAND'S DEATH).
DOES IT THAT HE THINKS HE WILL BE ALIVE FOREVER??. ASK THIS KOMAL IDIOT TO GIVE HIM TWO TABLETS FOR MOTIONS AND SEE HOW HE PLAYS AND WITH WHOM FIGHTS??.. WHAT HE IS GOING DO AS A CM?? WILL HE BE ABLE FIGHT WITH HIS LIFE??
YOU IDIOT YOU DID NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT DOES IT MEAN BEATING..
IBN KAM seems to be like a KAMEENA.. Are you kameena.. why not? IF YOU ARE NOT A IDIOT.. SO WHAT IF ARABIC IS YOUR MOTHER TOUNGE MEANS WHAT???? BY THE PERIOD AND SOME AGE PASSES ON THE WORDINGS MAY HAVE MORE MEANINGS.. YOU HAVE TO USE RIGHT CONTEXT..
This commentator " Comment ID #4932" he is A haraami.. DOGLY ACTING MAN.. YOU ARE A IDIOT..
HHHEEE. KOMAL.. DONT CREATE A MIS CONCEPTION.. YOU ARE A IDIOT.. I WILL TELL YOU.. WHY??? DO YOU KNOW THAT?? YOU ARE A IDIOT.. YOU HAVE MIS-QUOTED.. ARE OUT OF CONTEXTS...
HHIII.. LIGHT " Would you like it if you were called rapist, pedofile, pig, wifebeater? Of course YES FOR YOU." BECAUSE YOU DONT HAVE ANY PRINCIPLES.. ALL THIS COUNTS IT TO YOU PEOPLE.. SEE THE DAILY NEWS PAPER.. THIS FOOLS.. THEY COVER UP THE THOUSANDS INCIDENTS WHAT IS HAPPENING AND THOUSANDS OF WOMEN THEY ARE KILLING OR HARRASING THEIR WOMEN FOR MONEY..
for the commentator " Comment
for the commentator " Comment ID #4894" YOU ARE IDIOT ON THIS EARTH..
Islam is like a dream come true for every TRUE MAN..
Every crime is justified and praiseworthy for an christians or even HINDU'S rape, murder, loot, rioting, you name it. What more could a criminal want STICK TO A IDIOTS religion which says that every action of these criminals For each act of crime against humanity this crimanal gets a room full of virgins THIS IDIOT PEOPLE READ THE ABOVE BLOCK.. IN THEIR RELIGION THERE IS NO RULES AND NO PRINCIPLES FOR THEM AND WHEN THEY KNOWS THE REALITY IN ISLAM.. THIS FOOLS.. STARTED DEBATING OTHERS.. WHICH IS A FASTEST GROWING RELIGION IN THE WORLD IS ISLAM
hheey PROUD KAFFIR.. YOU ARE
hheey PROUD KAFFIR.. YOU ARE A KAFFIR.. WHEN YOU ARE ANNOUNCING NO DOUBT YOU ARE EVILS MAN AND YOU ARE IN EVILS RELIGION.. JUST SEE THE ABOVE COMMENTS HOW IS YOUR RELIGIONS RESPECT THE WOMEN..
5 HUSBANDS AND ONE WIFE..??? TELL ME WHAT IS COWARDLY ACTS??? YOU ARE ONLY THE PROUD KAFFIR.. EVEN YOUR CHILDRENS WHEN YOU REACH YOUR OLD AGE.. THEY WILL TURN TOWARDS THE TRUE RELIGION THAT IS ISLAM.. WHEN YOU LOOK FOR ONE AND THERE ARE THOUSANDS FOUND MEANS.. YOU ARE IN TO EVILS HAND.. YOU ARE WRONG TRACK.. YOU ARE ONLY PROUD KAFFIR LEFT AND IT IS OUT OF THOUSANDS..
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http://www.faithfreedom.org/2009/08/14/does-allah-really-value-women/
"WHICH IS A FASTEST GROWING
"WHICH IS A FASTEST GROWING RELIGION IN THE WORLD IS ISLAM"
You bet it is, from birthrate. "If you can't beat them, over-populate them". The highest birthrate in the world? Palestinians. They can't even feed themselves or buy explosive vests for their toddlers, but they have a higher birthrate than anyone else in the world.
HIII.....in fact the
HIII.....in fact the palestanians does'nt like the violence, there is no questions arises to buy explosives.. In fact they peace loving people, but they have face the enemy to boost up the morale of fight against enemy.. Jews are the only 8% approx of the western world, they are controlling these christian community all over the western, to christian to work like a dogs and soldiers to fight all over the world in the name of Terror. There is no Terror than this so called Jews on the Earth. Apparently they have choosen the hell for them, They are the first one to enjoy all most out of it in this world to preparing to get into HELL fire and what they can get here on the Earth such as Cheating, money mind, sexual harrasments, status, Terror are their passion and zeal for their livelyhood. Otherwise, they can't live without these all. Christian are nothing but today they are true christian. The Christians who were muslims during the Jesus (peace be upon him) and until prophet Mohammed(peace be upon him) only are considered to be the muslims(Jesus era chrisitans) will enter the Jannath. Later Christian will not be considered as muslims. Musilms means starting from Adam & Eve(peace be upon them), were muslims who believes in One God Only( that is Allah).
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To Admin, I think it would
To Admin,
I think it would be high time that the Faith Freedom admin consider banning users Komal.S, Googdman, as clearly they do not know how to articulate themselves without comparing people to animal only because some people hold a different view them these two. It would also not surprise me if both these users are in fact one an the same.
Discussion and constructive criticism is welcome. But calling people animals and idiots is just not part of a good debate. It is however destructive and very objectionable. And it is not easy to understand much it seeing as the english is poor and they are shouting with CAPS. I vote to have their posts deleted as it fails to answer or address the topic at all. Also I fail to see why they are so occupied with hinduism in a forum dedicated to talk critically about Islam.
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Light Comment ID #23574.. people like you here.. they are all towards the HELL they are showing themselves the hatrents of Islam.. Yek baal bhi bigad nahi sakte. Islam is a peace loving Religion. Hi.. All muslim brothers lets not debate any religion. Leave it on their own.. Yeh salanki ke liye hi yis duniyan hi aur inki aur inke jaise insaan ke liye..duniyan hi sab kutch.. wait and watch until the judgement day..
ADMIN, Can we have the posts
ADMIN,
Can we have the posts from peace@hotmail.com and Comment ID #23616 and the other nicknames removed as they are clearly only being abusive. In addition they are using foreign language, knowing very well they are on an english forum and people here understand english.
They are not here for a debate. They are here only to curse and abuse people. They have contributed with no constructive or rational posts so far.
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There is no point in
There is no point in discussing here in this forum. No common sense for this people here. they are somebody abusing in for prophets and somebody abusing one each other. Eventhough there are debate please respect eatch religion.. All have feeling of big scholars.. why is this nonsense in between all of you. Actually all this kind of websites should be banned.. people who does'nt have any job to work as if they are plucking the hair of cat.
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Comment deleted. Use only English language please. Thank you
"welldone@hotmail.com Comment
"welldone@hotmail.com Comment ID #23677 "
New nick name?
Funny you should be talking about respect after the abuse you have been posting on this site.
This website has every right to be here as any muslim or islamic website. Or else people who are offended by Islam can also request to have muslim websites banned. Ban is not the way but a decent debate is.
This is called freedom of speech. Accept it. I have not disrespected anything or anybody. You have. You have made appaling remarks and trashed Islam. You are an islamophobe and an islamhater.
It is funny how many times you keep saying "bye" and that it is not worth talking in here and that this place or the people are bad etc but yet you come back again and again under new nicks several times a day. So you must like this place.
Shame on your for soiling the name of the prophet Muhammad and Allah and Islam. Shame on your trashing that religion. You are no muslim and you prove that through every word that exits your mouth and every display of erratic and aggresive behaviour.
You are a shame and disgrace to Islam.
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Comment deleted. If language abuse continues as well as copy/paste nonsense, I will disable your user name for good
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To coward poster of Comment
To coward poster of Comment ID #24571
October 1, 2009 • 2:42 pm
"Only If Allah(SWT) wishes will save you if you are a true believer and if you dont resepct.. there will be a HELL for you.. Even Jesus peace be upon him will not recommend you the present christians and any one of you any of you IDIOTS.. Jesus peace be upon him dont have the superpower to save you.. Only that is Allah subahanu watala who save whom wish to save."
But you are not a true believer and you are no muslim!!! You are a hypocrit who shits on prophet Muhammad and Allah. JUST LOOK AT THE WAY YOU BEHAVE ASSHOLE. DO YOU THINK THAT IS ISLAM?DID MUHAMMAD GO AROUND CALLING PEOPLE ALL THESE NAMES AND CURSE ALL THE TIME? NO IN FACT HE SAID A BELIEVER CAN NOT BE AN ABUSER, SLANDERER. YOU SLANDER AND ABUSE = YOU ARE NO MUSLIM AND NO BELIEVER!!
So why are you so concerned about other people. When you get to hell for all these abusive posts in which you are basically shitting on the teachings of prophet Muhammad and the koran, then you remember to send us a post card. Remember the stamps.
"I will ask wagama who is your father and his father and is father and his grand father.. where is your mother and mother and your motehr and their mother.. If any one see you and your mother and father they will understand that you are a son of your father.. "
Who is wagamama? That sounds japanese. You said that twice but there is no such user in here. Are you blind or do you like inventihng things? I am curious as I suspect you are suffering from personality disorder which is a mental disorder perhaps genetical. Not only do you get the names wrong you also lie. Shame on your for trying to be Muslim when in fact you are a kafir down to the bone.
Also what you wrote makes no sense. So let me ask you who is your father and his father and is father and his grand father.. where is your mother and mother and your motehr and their mother.. If any one see you and your mother and father they will understand that you are a son of your father, degenerate.
I could easily have inserted an insult here. You are such a coward. You don't even have the guts to be a real man and state your name. Instead your use other users name and insert an s.
"But you IDIOTS have misconception about Essa(Jesus) peace be upon him that as son, fatther,mother etc you are assuming.. you are the IDIOTS.. To teach you fools like you only Allah has sent the messengers(peace be upon them) to give the message of Allah(to believe that there is only one God). But you people have become chriminals.. and dont have basic knowledge or you dont have proper brain(I mean you have it but it is useless because "
Criminals? Idiots? Is that what Islam teaches you? STOP LYING, KAFIR. I can't call you an idiot, because that would be insulting to idiots. You are much worse. Stop pretending to care for Islam through your abusive retoric when in fact you care only about your sick, perverted inner need to log online and throw abuses at people you do not know. Several times people have tried to talk to you human to human, but you refuse to even act as a human let alone civilized. YOU have no basic knowledge and I doubt you have even read the koran. You have not. You can call Christians whatever you like. You only prove the point made above in the article:
Islam allows wife beating.
But don't worry, this only applies to Muslims. Not you!
Keep barking, dog.
Nobody reads you spam posts. Waste of time. I skipped most of it anyways, coward. I only read serious posts. Not crap like yours.
Admin to all Please use
Admin to all
Please use civil language and English only in your comments. I will disable any user's name that does not follow the rules. There won't be any warning. I will just disable your user's name. Please be considerate to others.
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to light.. you are a
to light.. you are a harraami... you people are haraamis... you are cowards...because you are abusing yourself.. you did come from jungel. hhhaahhhaaa..haaa.ahhaa.
to light.. you are a harraami... you people are haraami... you are cowards...because you are abusing yourself.. you did come from jungel. hhhaahhhaaa..haaa.ahhaa.
to light.. you are a harraami... you people are haraami... you are cowards...because you are abusing yourself.. you did come from jungel. hhhaahhhaaa..haaa.ahhaa.
to light.. you are a harraami... you people are haraami... you are cowards...because you are abusing yourself.. you did come from jungel. hhhaahhhaaa..haaa.ahhaa.
to light.. you are a harraami... you people are haraami... you are cowards...because you are abusing yourself.. you did come from jungel. hhhaahhhaaa..haaa.ahhaa.
to light.. you are a harraami... you people are haraami... you are cowards...because you are abusing yourself.. you did come from jungel. hhhaahhhaaa..haaa.ahhaa.
to light.. you are a harraami... you people are haraami... you are cowards...because you are abusing yourself.. you did come from jungel. hhhaahhhaaa..haaa.ahhaa. when something comes about christiansand the preists raping the women and girls all over.... Its looking you sour... Hhahaaaaa
when something comes about christiansand the preists raping the women and girls all over.... Its looking you sour... Hhahaaaaawhen something comes about christiansand the preists raping the women and girls all over.... Its looking you sour... Hhahaaaaa
when something comes about christiansand the preists raping the women and girls all over.... Its looking you sour... Hhahaaaaa
when something comes about christiansand the preists raping the women and girls all over.... Its looking you sour... Hhahaaaaa.. if you stop abusing.. then I will stop.. if you are a coward.. if you are human dont ever abuse anyone..ok
I hope you will stop it.. don't make me foot on you.
when something comes about
when something comes about christiansand the preists raping the women and girls all over.... Its looking you very sour... Hhahaaaaa.. I dont want abuse you, beause you are already a coward and idiot.. Christians are drunkers.. cowards.. and sexula abusers.. dont worry.. it is not appies to you.. It is only for those who behave cowards..
you are an illetrate
you are an illetrate blastard.. you dont speak other than english.. I speak english very well.and other 3 languges.. only you are cowards which can't understand..
hi. light.. you are cowards..
hi. light.. you are cowards.. cannot understand you idiot kaffir.. there is no women beating in Islam.. but I am sure..Christians dont beat their women.. But you sexually abuse women and you people are killing the girls and women.. there is no other terror than this and there is no cowardness and only you people are cowards and jungly men who behaves your women as your dogs and you behaves your women as your toys...
oouut hhee.. light you are
oouut hhee.. light you are coward.. you are an idiot.. you fool.. I am here to give answers to you idiot.. It is my duty to tell about the truth and clear all your misconception.. if you dont understand. I will write you coward.. first I have not used..if you are not a blastard..then dont abuse anyone here and not even insult islam and muslim. if you dont write here ugly... why will any one will come to you to write about you. Thru your behavior I can understand that you are a criminal.. who does'nt have job.. who does'nt have faith on God.
If you have to answer anything see this link.. tell me if you are true christian and if you dont abuse and if you christian people dont kill the women and girl.. Don't you see what is happening?????
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/1917451.stm
http://www.dnaindia.com/report.asp?newsid=1170907
http://www.nation.co.ke/News/-/1056/612244/-/ukayts/-/
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml
http://www.barossa-region.org/Australia/LAWSUIT-CHRISTIAN-PRIEST-MOLESTE...
http://www.barossa-region.org/Australia/TOP-CHRISTIAN-PRIEST-ARRESTED-FO...
http://christianwatchindia.wordpress.com/2008/09/26/persecuted-kerala-ch...
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.computer.consultants/browse_thread/th...
\CHRISTIAN PRIEST RAPED CHILDREN FOR 20 YEARS \
http://blackchristiannews.com/news/2009/09/the-fbi-is-investigating-a-wh...
you are a coward.. see the above links..
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I was laughing when I read your usual abusive posts. You speak english very well? Go back to your school and get your money back. You speak crap english.
Examples: "sexula abusers"
And you have proven several times that you are an illetrate blastard.
I don't want to abuse you, moron beause you are already a coward, who is afraid of using his name (thats why you used so many names and now mine! I think you love me secretly) and you are an idiot.
I am glad you admit that you abuse women, beat them, treat them like toys and objects. This was a huge step. Next step, talk to a psychiatrist!
That is why you log on, find FFI, and then post your nonsense. I feel sad for you. What a pathetic and miserable life you must lead.
Are you Christian then? or Kafir? Because you have proven you are not Muslim. You clearly are not following Muhammad's words, so you can not be a muslim, oh slanderer!
I dont know about your obsession with priests and sex abuse, because this topic is about wife beating. But I think this shows you need help urgently.
So you agree then that Islam allows wife beatings. It also allows other things like rape of slave women but this is not the topic! And I don't want to write too many words, as I know you will have a meltdown and be confused.
too light.. you are blastard
too light.. you are blastard to Comment ID #24860 ..
ADMIN..
ID #24860 .. This blastard has no rules.. this light haraami is blastard.. if he knows to abuse in his postings.. there will no stop in abusing in response to his comments.. because that blastard is a Dogly minded man..
This dog is barking and why dont you stop him.. In reply to his all comments..
LIGHT blastard is like a man of donkey.. This monkey eyed man not here for discussions on any topic. This haraami respesents on this site to abuse people.. I am not debating on anyone but to give response to your so called light blastard comments. you IDIOT to commentator..#24860. You IDIOT go to a big hill and jump from there and give your mind and heart a relief.. because you are an big IDIOT.
too light.. you are blastard
too light.. you are blastard to Comment ID #24860 ..
Light .. you are an illeterate blastard who do not have any common sense to talk with..
you are an Idiot to find faults and errors in others.. You are a blastard must need and go through very high medication.. You are a bloody Idiot for sexual abuse with your women and you people are killing women in the name of freedom and it is a big crime than anything on this earth. You buggers are behind the women for an illegal sex with your girl friends and you are sending your wifves with your friends is common in you animals.. Because of you animals the women is suffering and has no freedom to women in their lives, but women have to bound by your animal acts. It is not beating but you blastards are killing women in general for sex.
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Comment ID #24648
October 1, 2009 • 9:31 pm
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In reply to comments:
#24628, this comment shows that you are a big criminal minded, poisoness and animal minded kafir, you are here to abuse people.
#24639 ( you are proving youself that you are only an EVIL man who is out here.
#24648, I dont want to talk you much right now, because you are a blastard need to consume poison as proof of marital fidelity to prove that you are christian.
Are you obeying this some of your biblical words?***
I Cor. 6:9-10: "Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God."
light.. Do you know this if
light..
Do you know this if you are true christian...
see what biblical sayings for people like you..
James 1:19,20 Wherefore, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath:
For the wrath of man worketh not the righteousness of God.
Ephesians 5:3-5 But fornication (note: that is to say, sexual immorality, including sexual abuse), and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;
Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.
For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God
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Proverbs 10:11 The mouth of a righteous man is a well of life: but violence covereth the mouth of the wicked.
Matthew 5:21,22 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire
James 1:26 If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain.
James 3:10 Out of the same mouth proceedeth blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not so to be.
Ephesians 4:31 Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice:
certain things are common in jews and christians beliefs.. that's what i believe..
Deuteronomy 22:28, 29: "In case a man finds a girl, a virgin who has not been engaged, and he actually seizes her and lies down with her, and they have been found out, the man who lay down with her must also give the girl’s father fifty silver shekels, and she will become his wife due to the fact that he humiliated her. He will not be allowed to divorce her all his days"
This command actually encouraged a high moral standard for both men and women. If an unscrupulous man felt at liberty to have sexual relations with a virgin, she would be the primary loser. Besides the possibility that she might have an illegitimate child, her value as a bride was diminished, since many Israelites might not want to marry her once she was no longer a virgin. So, what would discourage a man from taking liberties with a virgin?
The Mosaic code had a provision allowing a man to divorce his wife for certain reasons. The above verse shows that the option of divorce disappeared after premarital fornication.
The Law also lessened the problem of illegitimacy. If a man who seduced a virgin had to marry her, their fornication would not result in an illegitimate offspring among the Israelites. The 50 shekels was not a 'price' to be paid for rape.""..
I have realized that
I have realized that christians who lives on this current edge is going to be fall in HELL forever. Hell is for christians & jews and other kaafirs. I know that the christians & jews are neclear bomb hungers and hungers for looting women rights and looting other people.. which is slowly spreading the world over. Only Islam is a true religion where the truth and prosperity, justice to all human kind and many good things in Islam. So what would the christian to love in on here and enjoying the most happening place here... SEXUAL ABUSING, USING WOMEN AND DIVORCING as many times as possible and sending wives with another man, going with the other wife of other women, Christians loves the HELL than anything on this world.
most of the christians are
most of the christians are rapists, idiots, fools .. and sexual hungers..