AURANGZEB WAS OVER GLORIFIED IN FALSE INDIAN HISTORY AND HIS FOLLOWERS PAID DEARLY FOR HIS ILLS
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Abdul Muzaffar Muhiuddin Muhammad Aurangzeb Bahadur Alamgir I, Padshah Ghazi aka Aurangzeb was the greatest and 6 th Mughal Emperor of all the time but only after the Akbar the great as claimed to the accompanying of drums by the pseudo secular Indian historians. He ruled from 1658 to 1707. Although he was a great winner throughout his wretched life he was a bad and notorious emperor apart from being a religious bigot who set destruction of his own empire and illustrious dynasty into motion by his ill conceived policies. Although he was claimed to be a pious and holy Qoran bound Mussalman and lived pious life as stated by the guided Indian historians, he was full of all negative qualities and he was the manifestation of religious intolerance that finally resulted in destruction of Mughal Empire. To some extent, Mir Osman Ali Khan, the Nizam 7 of Hyderabad state could be compared to him in the matters of simplicity of dress and persecution of Hindus through Razakars during 1947-48 till he was deposed by police action. Although he was a great achiever by no mean standards as claimed by historians, the way he ruled was most outrageous and unworthy of an emperor. He alienated every one probably except sadistic fundamentalist Mullahs who failed to convert India into Dar ul Islam. Some of Aurangzeb’s shameful deeds are :
1.Aurangazeb‘s act of pseudo greatness began in 1644 when Aurangzeb's sister Jahanara Begum was accidentally burned in Agra. This event precipitated a family crisis which had political consequences. Aurangzeb suffered his father's displeasure when he returned to Agra three weeks after the event, instead of immediately on hearing of the accident.
2. In 1652, Aurangzeb was re-appointed governor of the Deccan. The Deccan produced poor tax revenue for the Mughals. In his previous term, Aurangzeb ignored the problem, allowing state-sanctioned corruption and extortion to grow. This time Aurangzeb set about reforming the system, but his efforts often placed additional burdens on the locals and were poorly received.
3. It was during this second governorship that Aurangzeb first recounts destroying a Hindu temple.
4.. Dara shikoh true successor of Shah Jahan was illegally dethroned by Aurangazeb. With the help of his younger brother Murad, Aurangzeb attacked Dara shikoh and defeated him and he declared Dara shikoh was no longer a Muslim. Dara shikoh was betrayed by an Afghan Chief to the Mughals and brought to Delhi on 23 August 1659.. Dar Shikoh was the most learned man of Hindu scriptures and wrote translations of some Upanishads. He was great Sufi in fact. Before Dara was killed, he was paraded on a dirty elephant on the streets so that people saw him and understood that their most liked prince was no more in reckoning. Dara was executed on 30 August 1659.
5) After getting rid of Dara by engineering death sentence through the Mullahs, Aurangzeb betrayed his younger brother Murad by arresting him after intoxicating him and later executed his own brother on 4 December 1661 on a frivolous murder charge of elimination Diwan Al Naqwi.
6. Sulaiman Shikoh the eldest son of Dara shukoh was also captured after betrayal by a provincial king and he was administered slow poison and he died in May 1662.
7) He executed Dara Shikoh in Delhi on 30 August 1659 and sent Dara’s severed head to Shah Jahan who was under house arrest.
8) He brought prohibitions against building new Hindu temples, and protection tax on non Muslims. He destroyed most precious Hindu temples at Gujarat, Kashi and Mathura. Probably breaking Hindu temples was his best hobby.
9) Aurangzeb began to enact and enforce a series of edicts with punishments. Most significantly, Aurangzeb initiated laws which interfered with non-Muslim worship. These included the destruction of several temples (mostly Hindu), a prohibition of certain religious gatherings, collection of the jizya tax, the closing of non-Islamic religious schools, and prohibition of practices deemed immoral by him, such as temple dances
. 10)He executed Guru Tegh bahadur in 1675, one of the most revered among Sikhs by framing false charges. ( He was the father of last Guru Gobind Singh who converted Sikhs into a martial race). He brought untold miseries on Guru Gobind Singh where sons of Sikh guru Guru Gobind Singh were killed. Two sons of him died in war while fighting along with his father and two were bricked alive most cruelly at Sirhind by Governor Wazir Khan of Sirhind.
11) In economic and political terms, Aurangzeb's rule significantly favored Muslims over non-Muslims:” In many disputed successions for hereditary local office Aurangzeb chose candidates who had converted to Islam over their rivals. Pargana headmen and quangos or record keepers were targeted especially for pressure to convert. The message was very clear for all concerned. Shared political community must also be sharing religious belief."
12) The Pashtun revolted against Aurangzeb in 1672 that was triggered when soldiers under the orders of the Mughal Governor Amir Khan attempted to molest women of the Safi tribe. The policies of Governors can not be different from that of the emperor.
13) He alienated many of his children and wives, driving some into exile and imprisoning others. When his son Akbar revolted against him in 1681 while fighting against the Rajputs during the war of succession after the death of Rana Jaswant Singh of Marwar on 10 December,1678, Aurangzeb played most dirty by writing a letter and ensuring that it fell into the hands of Rajputs thus driving a wedge between his son and Rajputs. This was the dirtiest act. Akbar finally left India and stayed in Persia fearing his father where he subsequently died unsung and unheard in 1704.
14. Aurangzeb also imprisoned his eldest son Mohammed Sultan to whom the princes of Golconda was married. The poor prince died in captivity in 1676. He thought his sons were danger to his power. He was the most cruel and treacherous father infact.
15. He conquered Golconda kingdom in Deccan ( South India) in 1687. Abdullah Pani a small time fort commander opened a small gate at fort wall in the early hours of 21 September 1687 after getting bribed and the fort soon fell.
16. After the fall of Golconda kingdom in Deccan, its king Sultan Abul Hasan Kutubshah ( 1672-1687) was imprisoned at Kaula Mahal in Daulatabad ( Maharashtra State) fort and was pensioned off. During his captivity, it is learnt that his wife gave birth to a son and this boy was subsequently taken to Delhi where he was taken care of. Abul Hassan Kutub Shaha died in 1699-1700. Many Kutubshai nobles took service in Mughal court and whenever the Deccani Prince entered the court, the nobles rose and paid respects. This however annoyed the emperor. To ensure that there was no chance for revival of Kutubshahi kingdom at a later stage, he sent the prince to Gwalior where he was administered opium regularly as a slow poison and the poor prince died in oblivion. The prince was called Bandi ( Prisoner) Sultan. ( There is no written proof available for this and is based on a popular belief and probably could be true considering the qualities of the emperor)
17. He invited the great Shivaji Maharaja to the court in May 1666 and insulted him and later imprisoned him at Agra. It is a different thing that Shivaji cleverly escaped from the house arrest at Agra and reached his capital on 30 November 1666 and led a crusade against Mughal in subsequent years.
18. He got killed Sambhaji Maharaja the Maratha King ( Son of Shivaji Maharaja) most inhumanly after capturing him on 11 February 1689.. He forced him to convert to Islam and Sambhaji preferred death than to shed his faith.He was put to death on 16 March 1689 in a most gruesome way. He kept Sahu, Sambhajis son as captive at his palace. Sahu was released only after the death of Aurangzeb in 1707 by the next emperor ( Muazzam) Bahadurshah I as an act of reconciliation with Marathas and to divide the Marathas in the war of succession in their kingdom.
19. He dismissed court singers and painters and artists.
20 . He got white washed most precious and great paintings in the palace of Bijapur ( Now in state of Karnataka) in Deccan after its capture and deposing the ruler Sikander Adil Shah in September 1688.All such great art was lost forever.
On death bed, he wrote to his son, fully exhausted, "I came alone and I go as a stranger. I do not know who I am, nor what I have been doing," the dying old man confessed to his son in Feb 1707. "I have sinned terribly, and I do not know what punishment awaits me." At the ebb of his life, he expressed his loneliness and perhaps a regret for his militant intolerant rule. His personal piety is undeniable. Unlike the often alcohol- and women-absorbed personal lives of his predecessors, he led an extremely simple and pious life. He followed Muslim precepts with his typical determination, and even memorized the entire Qur'an. He knitted haj caps and copied out the Qur'an throughout his life and sold these anonymously. He used only the proceeds from these to fund his modest resting place. He died in Ahmednagar on Friday, February 20 1707 at the age of 88, having outlived many of his children. His modest open-air grave in Khuldabad in Aurangabad expresses his strict and deep interpretation of Islamic beliefs.
Repentance in the end does not change history. It may draw sympathy from the almighty as per scriptures. In practical life, such repentance has no meaning when he inflicted such damage on the people and nation particularly Hindus. The later Mughals were wretched incompetent and worthless womanizers, morally corrupt debauches, sexual perverts and drunkards. It is most astonishing to note that in a span of 150 years after death of Aurangzeb in 1707 Mughal dynasty could not produce a single competent and worthy ruler who could restore the Mughal power. Was it a curse from the Allah who desired destruction of the dynasty and empire too? Naturally such rulers have no place. None should feel sorry for their tragic end. They surely deserved such fate.
Some one said the grave of Aurangzeb at Khuldabad in Aurangabad (Maharashtra State) is the most deserted and haunting one and any one visiting the site would suffer heart pain, headache and nausea and discomfort even to day after the death of the tyrant in 1707. This may be exaggerated. The soul of emperor who played tricks and dirty politics all his life and killed his own brothers and ill-treated his father for the kingship cannot rest in peace. Many saw him as manifestation of Satan although Indian bogus historians praise him as a Raja yogi ( Saint King) and true Muslim to appease the Muslims in India with eye on vote bank of Muslims. The Indian history books hide all his atrocities on his subjects particularly Hindus by direction and to earn awards from the pseudo secularists. His life was tarnished by scores of Brahmins killed by him. He was probably the biggest and cruelest Sunni Wahhabi on the earth although Wahabism was found later on. He was against all Kafirs and destroyed temples and deserves severe condemnation in the view of most of the people. His deeds have naturally led to fall of his own dynasty. Just note the fate of his worthless descendents. Is it an act of punishment by God?But Indian Historians look other way and clap that al was well with him. Shame indeed.
THE LIST OF CALAMITIES DURING RULE OF LATER MUGHALS
1. Muazzam titled Bahadur shah I( 1707-1712) I his son and who became emperor died with in 5 years of his rule. He killed his brother in the war of succession…… 5 years
2. Moizuddin Zahandarshah ( 1712-1713) son of Bahadur Shah I a debauch and was the most incompetent man to rule. He was overwhelmed by a concubine Lal kumari. His brothers were also slain in the war of succession. He was strangled after he was deposed within one year of rule by Farukhsiyar and his head was cut off and sent for display….. 1 year rule
3. Muhammed Farukhsiyar ( 1713- 1719) a great grand son of Aurangzeb ( Son of Azimus shan, brother of Zahandar shah) became emperor. He was deposed and blinded and imprisoned. He was killed in the most cruelest manner by the Sayyad brothers, the king makers. 6 years ruled.
4. Rafi ud Darjat (1719) son of Rafis us shan brother of Jahandar Shah who was killed in war of succession. He died in the same year of accession 1719 ( obviously murdered).. with in year
5. Rafi ud Ddaula ( Shah jehan II) ( 1719) son of Rafis us shan brother of Jahandar Shah who was killed in war of succession. He died in the same year of accession i.e 1719( Obviously murdered)… within year same year as above
6. Mohd Ibrahim (1720) son of Rafiq us shan. Died soon
6. Muhammed Shah Rangeela ( pleasure seeker) ( 1719-1748) ( Roshan Akhtar) son of Jahan shah the brother of Jahander shah the biggest pleasure seeker and womanizer .He died of cirrhosis of liver and also syphilis.. Nadir Shah the Persian king invaded Delhi during his time. 29 years rule
7. Ahmed Shah (1748- 1754) was blinded by his wazir Ghaziuddin in 1754… 6 years
8.. Azizuddin Alamgir II (1754 -- 1759) son of Jahander shah was assassinated by Gaziuddin.. 5 years
9. Shah Jehan III (1960), grandson of Kambaksh the son of Aurangzeb. Three months
10.Mirza Abdullah Shah Alam II also known as Ali Gauhar ( 1759-1806) was blinded in 1788 by Afgahn Rohilla chieftain and the staunch enemy of Mughals after having failed to find Mughal treasures and Shah Alam II lived pathetic life and died ( Although a nominal emperor..47 years
11. Bidar Bakht ( 1788).
12.Akbar II son of Shah Alam II ( 1806 --1837) nominal emperor remained in Delhi unsung and un heard…31 years
13,Bahadur Shah II ( zafar) ( 1836-1858) was deposed by East India Company in 1858 after the Sepoy mutiny. He was sent to Rangoon prison where he died in 1862……...22 years rule
DYNASTY WAS EXTINGUISHED
Above list does not reflect well for the dynasty of brave Baber. The untold crimes committed by Aurangzeb on humanity, other religions and on his own brothers and father during his long reign have not gone down well with the unknown power called the God and his successors paid heavy price in course of time. There have been dynasties earlier that vanished after wars. But later Mughals no doubt suffered continuously and as said earlier, it could not produce even one able ruler to turn the tide. It has to be seen as the curse of humanity (Particularly Hindus?) in India on the Mughal dynasty during rule of Aurangzeb.
Bibliography
General References
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2.Dr PV Ramachadra Rao, South Indian History, 1336-1765, Telugu Academy, Hyderabad, 1991,
3.Dr K Prabhakar Rao, Strategic studies into Muslim fundamentalism, its rise in India and its growing threat to India’s security across the borders. Ph D (Strategic studies) Thesis, TIU, USA, 2002
4.Todd, Annals of Rajasthan, Annals of Mewar, Allied publishers, Bombay and Calcutta,
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Phew the religion of piss and
Phew the religion of piss and pisspot moslems and their despotic rulers.All true , but why are these scumbag historians selling their mothers and sisters so cheap?
Dr. Saahab, we used to hate
Dr. Saahab, we used to hate Aurangezeb too as children. Not because he had killed Hindus, but because we was perhaps the most vilest person ever to rule India. Futhernore, he killed the king of Kashmir, who was also a Mulsim, and took his wife who later commited suicide rather than give herself up to someone like Aurangezeb.
This episode is not recorded in the annals of history, however every Kashmiri Muslim remebers this episode and has nothing but hatred for the Muglahs who plunndered our land and killed our people.
Aurangezeb is usually looked upto by majority of Indian Muslims, however not so by Kashmiri Muslims, or even by me who is an ex-Muslim now.
We will not forget history nor will we ever allow our coming generations to forget history.
Sadly this is a lesson that Hindus have yet to learn and by glorifying such bigots they claim to become secular , which is perhaps the biggest oxymoron in India.
The country that forgets it's
The country that forgets it's history is bound to repeat the same! What of a country that distorts the history? I shudder to think the state of India in a few years
I think there was another brutal evil person in south india and his name was tippu sultan and history has been so distorted by these people after selling their daughters and mothers, that an average hindu worships tippu!
Good article Mr. Rao. I am
Good article Mr. Rao.
I am keenly awaiting the day the law of karma takes effect upon the world's muslims.
Of course, some would say that not all muslims are bad. But everybody misses the fact that even the moderate muslims have no commitment to religious freedom and religious tolerance. The fact that they don't do physical harm to non-muslims does not matter. The fact that the so called moderate muslims ensorse mad mo as a prophet and hail him as a religious man matters.
As for the Indian historians, they are a hopeless lot. Every word of India's glorious Hindu history has been ignored. Every misdeed of the muslim history has been sugar coated.
As for the Hindus, they are the most lazy, the most un-dedicated, the most disorganised, the most divided and a cowardly lot. They deserve everything that is happening to them. No tears for them.
Such cruelty. He was truly
Such cruelty. He was truly the beast in human figure. Do they have in history any apostated Mughal around? Except me of course.
Humanity is but one family :)
kenmirzz Yeah Akbar was the
kenmirzz
Yeah Akbar was the first apostate amogst Muslims. He made his Din E Ilahi in his ego trip!
Hello Doc, Nice article. I
Hello Doc,
Nice article. I would like to read more from you. The xxxxxx Joker Naik is yelling that Islam spread by peace in the same tone as his xxxxx guru Deedat.
It is pathetic fact that muslim appeasement goes to far extent. Even to loose own identity and dignity.
http://www.rediff.com/news/2008/mar/07expo.htm
http://www.petitiononline.com/FACTAura/petition.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4LoAAIX4Pc&feature=related
Abstain from using profanities in the forum.
http://kandukoss.blogspot.com
http://kandukoss.blogspot.com/ go to this link ffi readers can know more about the so called scum mohammed(may allah' s piss be upon him)
The Dhimmi attitude of the
The Dhimmi attitude of the coward hindus and the brazen anti national feeling that Indian moslems scum bags have can be perceived easily from this incidence that happened a year ago in India, There are many awakened Hindus who have learnt history( of India) by themselves out of interest( like me!) though nothing at all to do with profession and learnt the distortion of the truth by the evil twain of christians ( british) and for moslems( by the mother and daughter selling Hindu historians). All converts in india are just descedents of Hindus! The christians spread another mega lie that St Thomas came to the coast of kerala in 42 AD! Stupid Indians and hindus and christians all peddle the same lie.
March 07, 2008 11:55 IST
Last Updated: March 07, 2008 14:01 IST
Curtains came down abruptly on an exhibition, depicting the life history of Mughal emperor Aurangzeb, at the Lalit Kala Akademi in Chennai in the wake of some Muslim outfits and Hindu organisations failing to see eye to eye on some of the portraits on display.
Trouble started when some Muslim organisations and Prince of Arcot Nawab Mohammed Abdul Ali took up cudgels against some portraits, claiming it would disturb peace in the state and demanded the expo 'Aurangzeb as he was according to Mughal records' be cancelled.
Jumping to the defence of the exhibition of paintings by French artist Francois Gautier, a few Hindu outfits opposed any move to cancel the show, contending that 'only historical facts' were on display.
Police provided tight security on the premises, with the two groups unrelenting.
Fearing that the exhibition could whip up communal passions, the city police and Akademi regional secretary R M Palaniappan ended the expo, which began fours days ago, abruptly, three days ahead of schedule.
Police also detained three women associated with the exhibition -- Saraswathi (65), Dr Vijayalakshmi (62) and Malathi (47) -- for half an hour for inquiry.
Hindu Munnani leader Rama Gopalan and Vishwa Hindu Parishad working president S Vedantam condemned the police action at the exhibition, organised by the Foundation Against Continuing Terrorism.
First time I came to know
First time I came to know about evils of Islam, when I read about "Aurangzeb " and "Jijia Tax under Islamic Rule " . What else one wants to know about evil Islam and how good the Muslim invaders were ? Well pseudo secular Indian passport holders are rarely real Indians. Jerk off Zakir Naik is the best example of secular (pseudo) Indian, as he can prove his Islamic secularity by jerking off some vile verses from evil Qu'rand the vile book of Islamic prostitution. 72 virgins for every Jihadi Pig in the Islamic whore house heaven. Ha Ha Ha Ha
I tried to answer A00007’s
I tried to answer A00007’s comment few articles ago but the FFI moderators deleted my comment. They said my comment has nothing to do with the subject even if the last paragraph of my comment has everything to do with what the article was all about. Worse was the moderator accused me of promoting Nazism ideology. Then prove to the readers what part of my comment relates to Nazism. What is happening to FFI? I thought this site is supposed to be better than the Islamic ones. Am I right when I said this site is plagued with the smell of Hinduism because I mentioned in my last comment that Hinduism is as paganistic as that of Islam? Subjugate my free speech because I don’t believe in Hinduism or Atheism; is this the new philosophy of FFI?
Anyway, since the above article is talking about the contributions of Hindu historians to the Indian history, my comment will probably be provocative to the Hindus again and I won’t be surprised if a Hindu moderator deletes my comment again. Throughout the Indian history until to this day, Hindus are responsible to their own fate whether electing their leaders or writing their own history. Hindus have always been subservient to Muslims throughout their own history hence losing two parts of their country – Bangladesh and Pakistan and now Kashmir. This has a lot to do with their religion which is more pacifist than any religions in the world. Being a pacifist is the worst method of engagement against the Muslim. In fact, the threat that the western world faces is not Muslims themselves but the politician atheists and activists who uses pacifistic subservience towards Islam to achieve the false sense of peace among the Muslims.
India of today is plagued with poverty and corruption more than any developed country in the world. This is where evil breeds and whenever evil thrives; Islam is there to the rescue. There is no other place in the world where paganism can withstand Islam except in a communist country in which its policies is as absolute as Islam. The last bastion of paganism is India and it will not be long for Islam to devour this place to oblivion.
freedomfighter67 there is a difference between the freedom of speech and being abusive. We at FFI can distinguish between the two and we don't need your expert advice in running the Forum. The rules are equally applicable on everyone and that includes you.
Both Islam and christianity
Both Islam and christianity has done extreme harm to the society. This monotheism really sucks. Its like to quest hunger eat only burger and if you eat any other thing its waste, how funny. The world's saviour can come only thru jerusalem and not from other places is plain bullshit.
The christians started telling all other religions as pagan. They killed mayans, one of the great old civilization, they destroyed great roman cililization, weakened the persian empire so much that islam was able to overrun them.
Both Islam and christianity divides the world into believers and un-believers.
Both Islam and christianity are a mirror image of each other. Just like Mullahs, the bishops exploit women and children.
Europe has mainly shed christianity and I hope they shed Islam also.
Jesus got education from India in vedic and buddhist teachings and preached in his place, while constantine plagiarised it, created a book bible like quran and destroyed earlier civilizations.
freedomfighter67, Teachings
freedomfighter67,
Teachings in bible is just a subset of Hindu teachings, as jesus studied in India and then taught in jerusalem. Hinduism is the mother of all religions and sankskit is the origin of all languages.
NASA, the most advanced research center in the world, has stated that
Sanskrit, the world's oldest spiritual language, is the only
unambiguous spoken language on the planet. ( see NASA researcher, Rick Briggs article in AI Magazine (Artificial Intelligence) ). In english 'bank' can mean 'river bank' or a 'money lending institute'.
Yoga, Meditation etc are becoming famous as these gifts of hindu tradations has proved helpful for not only good body but good mind.
Benefit of turmeric, ginger, neem also people are learning.
Indians have extremely low incidence of dementia and leukaemia due to there curries made turmeric and spices. While in western world its in havoc proposition.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3641922.stm
Hindu indians advocate for vegetarian food, which is not only good for the ecology/ environment but for body also. ( The vegetarians are increasing on a daily basis).
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/6523009.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7959128.stm
Do read the articles of the famous luminaries:
Stephen Knapp, Konraad Elst, Alain Danielou , A. Seindenberg, Jean Sylvain Bailly, Jean-Paul Droit, Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche etc.
Article:
http://www.stephen-knapp.com/christianity's_similarities_with_hinduism.htm
pathfinder, Christiantiy has
pathfinder,
Christiantiy has nothing to do with pagan Hinduism and Islam. Unlike Christianity which confronts Islam with full force (see for example answering-islam.org), Hindus have always been subservient to Muslims. This is another proof of the subservience of Hindus to Muslims:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PeJaNooRHL0&feature=related
Dear Pk,here is proof to your
Dear Pk,here is proof to your comment # 9.The first link deals with the inauguration of the exhibition & the second with the closure of the exhibition by Chennai police.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAXa6rMfWts&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzva2FFjUkk
take care.
Pathfinder, 1. Where did you
Pathfinder,
1. Where did you get this idea that Jesus Christ went to India to study? Show me your evidence here. I don't know Hindus believe in conspiracy theories like their Muslim brothers do.
2. If Sanskrit is that old and unambiguous, then why is it that the english language is the most widely used in the whole world and that's including India?
3. Yoga has been the number one discipline among the homosexuals especially in California. I know Hindus must be very proud of this contribution.
4. Vegetarianism is not that healthy as everyone thinks. We as humans, through evolution have always been omnivorous. Only through balance diet of meat, bread, fruits and vegetables, as well as proper exercise can the optimum health of a human being be achieved and not through vegetables alone. We are not cows and goats.
5. Last thought, how are these subjects related to the issue of how Hindus are being subservient to Muslims anyway?
15. freedomfighter67 Says: 1.
15. freedomfighter67 Says:
1. Where did you get this idea that Jesus Christ went to India to study? Show me your evidence here. I don’t know Hindus believe in conspiracy theories like their Muslim brothers do.
Did Jesus Christ exist? Where is his famous tomb located from which he is supposed to have risen from the dead? (Just inquisitive)
3. Yoga has been the number one discipline among the homosexuals especially in California. I know Hindus must be very proud of this contribution.
Do you want to imply that a person practicing yoga tends to be a homosexual? You should back it up with some solid proof. You also imply that somehow homosexuals are inferrior human beings just because the bible condemns them? Quite a prejudice.
The majority of the people who practice yoga are not in the West but in the East who are Hindus and Buddhists.
BTW Everyone is welcome to practice it. It will give you peace of mind.
5. Last thought, how are these subjects related to the issue of how Hindus are being subservient to Muslims anyway?
If Hindus were so subservient to Muslims, how come they fought with them relentlessly? Why did they not convert fully even after 600/800 years of rule. Can you give us any other example where islam was unsuccessful even after conquering the land other than Spain?
freedomfighter67, For your
freedomfighter67,
For your comment 15, (If you want to know more we can discuss offline also, instead of you coming here and deviating from the context of the topic).
1. Proof that Jesus studied in India (see the work of Nicolas Notovitch), also there is not a single good teaching in bible which hasn't been lifted from hindu and buddhist teachings. The hindu and buddhist monks has spread far and wide and thats why jesus came to india.
http://reluctant-messenger.com/issa.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DXCZFRsyl8
2. (i) Hindus never thought of colonising other parts of the world, (ii) Just like few people can do Phds , so to learn such a highly unambiguous and scientific religion needs dedication. Thats why in many places research is going on to use sanskrit as a computer's compiler language. British colonised more land than any other places, thus english became an International language. Similarly Arabs colonised nearby places and they forced that language. A variant of sanskrit is spoken in pakistan (urdu), bangladesh (bangla), malay etc.
3. Maximum lesbians, homosexuals come from western world. gay marraiages are common in western world. Show me any news item that yoga is done by homosexuals. Just barking shows you are a naive nut.
16.5 million people who practice yoga (so do you mean that much homosexuals in US????) US military is specifically promoting yoga and meditation to reduce suicide.See the clip for some understanding of you.
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Health/story?id=615557&page=1
4. Its as simple as that more vegetranian you become the less carbon foot print you leave.
http://www.nature.org/wherewework/northamerica/states/indiana/misc/art26...
5. Only hindus gave a continous fight to muslims that they were unable to convert hindus to muslims, only because of hindu believe that women and children should not be harmed of the enemy they failed to put force to reconvert the muslims, while hindus and sikhs have regained 80 % of all of india including pakistan and bangladesh in 19th century.
British army was able to conquer middle east and north africa as there 75 % army compossed of hindu and sikh army. Hindus and Sikhs in the british army helped British to reclaim the jerusalem. I hope you know the names of 'Gurkha Regiment', 'Jat Regiment', 'Rajputana Regiment', 'Sikh Regiment' as muslims were opposed to fight against fellow muslims of ottomon empire.
Now thats why europe doesnt have the military power now as it used earlier.
Due to following good ethics hindus got defeat earlier , but now european human rights has buldozzed hindus and jews alike.
The western human rights harass the hindus, jews, serbs, buddhist (thailand) and also christians , but show a blind eye to genocide by muslims.
Maximum human rights persons and media are there in israel, kashmir while hardly when non-muslims get killed.
Muslims have killed more than 120 million chiristians as of now but your Pope will do interfaith dailaogue and praise Islam , while hardly do interfaith to jews, hindus, buddhists or simple people (which you derogatorily called animists or pagans). While its non-muslims and non-christian people helped christians a lot.
In south korea , christians using church planting and deciet waste so much money to convert buddhists while muslims are killing christians in other part of the world. Due to this double standard , lot of christians in western world are becoming athiests and Islam is filling it dangerously.
Hindus never want Islam to win against christians but evangelists are instead of aligning with non-muslims are doing worst.
For a christian, a non-christian nonmuslim who lives a simple life and say prays to sun and think all human are equal and loveble is of high priority to convert, then a muslim whose teachings say 'kill christians whereever you find them." What a shame??
Why so much appeasement to muslims?
Pakistan could have disintegrated long ago, but western world is paying jizya since 9/11 and billions is going there. Also all muslim countries like gaza, west bank, jordon, egypt etc paid by christian world. why? A muslim palastanian gets 1600 $ on average per year from western world, while they celebrate and become happy when terrorist attack happen in western world like 9-11, 7/7 etc.
pakistan's schools stil
pakistan's schools stil teaches these moghul barbarian kings as "great" people.infact ,the syllabus of pakistan,bangladesh and saudi arabia will mean sane people will puke on it.all muslim,umma mongers.
http://forum.santabanta.com/s
http://forum.santabanta.com/showthread.htm?t=130718
Excellent article.
Excellent article.
I know faithloser67 is
I know faithloser67 is incapable of understanding facts because he believes in that LOT character of Genesis. Moderator should warn him against posting irrelevant stuff.
Hey Faithloser 67 you must realize that Christianity adopted everything-- cross, Dec 25, months of the year, Xmas tree etc-- from the HOLY PAGANS. So Christians must bow down to PAGANS everytime they say prayers in the Church. Please ask western govts to stop paying Jeziya to Pakistan, Afghanistan, Palestine, and Iraq.
to Mr Ibrahim #6 Yes pal, I
to Mr Ibrahim #6
Yes pal, I know about Akbar being an apostate. The threads now becoming like an exchange of vituperative insults between Hindus and Christians. The real pain is in me, a Mughal by ancestry, and of course my Hindu brothers must have felt similar pain about the persecution perpetrated by the Muslim invaders.
This Aurangzeb guy is a type of person who was afraid of his own shadows and it's no shock that he subjected the Hindus to severe oppression. He distrust his own family members and disrespect them. Such emotionally unstable guy was unfit to be a leader of a family, let alone a sovereign of a big nation. A sad case indeed.
Humanity is but one family. :)
Welcome back
Welcome back freedomfighter,
@16 freedomfighter67,
1. (Jesus in India) Do some online research and you will find out where did Jesus got his education from. How could all your testaments miss 15 long years of the most important person? The truth is uncomfortable to Church's business.
2. (Sanskrit) Sanskrit was never a language of common people. It was language of scholarly people. The time when Sanskrit was used by sages, there was no public education system so that everybody could learn it.
3. (Yoga) Mind of a Bigot is like pupil of an eye. The more light you shed into it, the narrower it gets.
4. (Vegetarianism) Ask a cow and or a pig. They will tell you who the real Satan is - One who enjoys flesh and blood.
5. Hindus believe in Sanatana Dharma (Eternal Truth) which is based upon Humanity. Hinduism teaches that there are more than one path to God. Neither Muslims nor Christians can change foundation of our belief with their hatred and bigotry. Humanity is but one religion.
Humanity, we would request you to kindly stay on topic and discuss the article at hand. I am not deleting your post since there is nothing vulgur or indescent about it. However all future references that are not relevant to the article or our fight against Islam would be deleted as they tend to stray people from discussing the topic at hand.
Continunum1 covert or overt
Continunum1 covert or overt attacks on individuals are not permitted. Retaliation is not an excuse. As an old memeber of FFI we expect you to avoid getting into personal attacks.
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@25 proudkafir I agree your
@25 proudkafir
I agree your view about conversion. Majority of conversions happen this way.
1. Criminals convert to Islam.
2. Poor and Illiterates convert to Christianity.
3. Smart people from other religion follow Hinduism. There is no conversion in Hinduism since Hindus believe everybody is Human. What do you convert a humane to?
Humanity is but one religion
The evils unleashed on India
The evils unleashed on India over the centuries are innumerable. This whole history is very under appreciated and to a large extent misunderstood due to lack of factual scholarship by indian historians. We are fortunate to have books such as M.A. Khans great work - Islamic Jihad, A Legacy of Forced Conversion and Slavery - available to us. I found this book to be VERY informative.
What a tragedy that the majority of Muslims do not know the real history of Islam. It is tragic that they are taught a fake version of Islam by their "fellow Muslims" (lol) who like themselves live in fear of Muhammads lies. If Muslims only knew what Muhammad and His Islam are really about...
This is an excellent article. Muslims really need to level with themselves using their self-honesty. How can they not see that Islam is just a clever fraud built on Mans fear of Hell and His common desires that Muhammad added some good stuff to? Good stuff that he borrowed mind you.
Fear is the key that grips
Fear is the key that grips the minds of the followers of the monotheistic religions. If great god created and has the power to create as much to destroy and if we are here and go from here ( to where?), because of that great god,I see no reason as to why we should fear god! Do you fear a policeman? If you are doing some thing unlawful, ofcourse, you would.God is there not to keep you spanking all the time.Give up that fear of god and think of God as eternal love and your attitude will change.
Correction: The evils
Correction: The evils unleashed on india BY ISLAM over the centuries are innumerable is what i meant to say in the comment above.
Yes indeed and i think that i will take the opportunity to riff further about these matters while here.
It must be getting awfully hard for "Muslims" to look themselves and their own children in the eyes these days now that the truth about Islam is finally coming out.
This whole bussiness is tragic. Being an ex-Muslim i have known many good Muslim folks. Too bad that Islam is not good in totality. Muslims must be getting rather angry at Muhammad and his Islam at this point. Peace.
Comment removed for being off
Comment removed for being off topic.
I like to say to the
I like to say to the moderators in regard to their comment to FreedomFighter67. They maintained that there was a difference between freedom of speech and being abusive. Now, this is FFI's site and they have rules and I admire them, am glad they are being applied. And the freedom of speech for FF67 and others is in no way violated, because they can go to so many places still.
But judging the differenc between freedom of speech and being abusive most of the time seems too subjective to me. The accusation of others being abusive has been too often abused by Muslims and others to silence criticism, because the "dividing line" is just too blurry. For instance, when people criticize murder or rape, they naturally tend to become emotional, and then they are liable to use strong words.
Just thought to bring this up, not as criticism, but as contribution.
Dr, Again too bad that this
Dr,
Again too bad that this article will not make it to the history books!
FF67, it is not the same;
FF67, it is not the same; this site is about Islam and criticizing Hinduism and Christianity is not relevant. Nowhere FFI says that it is an abomination to exist and that it must be forbidden. Just go elsewhere with it. And Ad Hominem is clearly recognizable, so selections can be made.
Correction I meant what the
Correction I meant what the moderators are doing is not the same as what some muslims are doing.
Hey Freedomfighter67: As you
Hey Freedomfighter67:
As you must and should know this primarily a site for discussing matters directly related to Islam. Maybe you ought to chill out and re-assess things bud. Peace
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proudkafir, limit yourself to
proudkafir, limit yourself to discussing Islam. If you wish to discuss Christianity or any other religion you are not welcome here on FFI. I have said that before and I am repeating this again for your benifit, we are not into discussing religions other than Islam. I shall not repeat this again for you and any off topic comments shall be taken off immediately.
Hey proudkafir: Maybe you
Hey proudkafir:
Maybe you should talk your talk of anti-christianity at another site. I am not a Christian myself nor do i have anything to do with it. I mention this because it is obvious that you have some 'personal issues' burning about these matters and the rest of us are bored with hearing you talk about it. This ground has been amply covered now. Give it a rest and produce some creative comments that critique Islam objectively would you.
Mughal rulers were the
Mughal rulers were the cruelest morons on earth. I encourage everyone to read the book "The History of India, as Told by Its Own Historians. The Muhammadan Period" written by E.M Elliot and edited by John Dawson. In this work, the author has translated the Persian court chronicles such as Akbarnama, Babarnama, Ain-i-Akbari, and Badshahnama into English. When the court writers themselves have proudly written about the heinous crimes- glorified in the name of Islam- secular historians of India paint a different story altogether.
kenmirzz forget about the
kenmirzz
forget about the Hindu Christian clashes. Mr. Freedom Fighter is a crazy bigot who is not here to contribute anything positive to the debate and the Hindus on the Forum are talking his bait and towing his line.
I think the moderator is doing a job by removing these meaningless rants from the Forum. Its high time that some cleaning up was due on this Forum.
BTW: Mughals were not the only lunatics to rule India, they were followed and preceded by the Pathans, Persians, at different times.
To Mr Ibrahim #39 Yes. I
To Mr Ibrahim #39
Yes. I know that. Thank you. Apparently this so called religion of peace had devastated India to the extent that sometimes I am ashamed of what my ancestors were doing during their reign. As Mr Ali Sina said, Islam is the only religion that is devoid of Golden Rule. It manipulates and condones the right of conquest through terror, fully backed up by Islam's holy scripture, The Quran. I guess we are fortunate to realize its true nature and left it for good.
Humanity is but one family. :)
Since my childhood I was
Since my childhood I was under the impression that Islam and other such belief systems have their roots in India , same as Buddhism, Jainism, Sikhism etc. That was because we Indians were taught a distorted and false history of India since it's inception as an independent democratic republic. But the facts are different. Islam and Christianity have no roots in India. Those vile cults were imposed upon the Indians by the invading bandits and pirates. More over Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism and Sikhism are never belief systems, unlike Evil Islam .
Indian History is twisted and
Indian History is twisted and censored for minority appeasement ( muslim and christian ). The twisting of history is old game since british rule to prove their legitimacy to rule and later continued for vote bank politics.
The comments of freedomfighter67 are very distinctive. You can see he has learned censored history from his comments. This is not only restricted to him, but all over. People are brain washed in the name of pseudo secularism. They let people like joker naik on loose, let run parallel system and still they are patriots and secular. Anyone talking against these issues is antisocial and extremist. Even media is biased on such issues. Internet and sites like these only medium to tell the truth.
My dear "#18. pathfinder " ;
My dear "#18. pathfinder " ; You are a path finder indeed. You said---
""Pakistan could have disintegrated long ago, but western world is paying jizya since 9/11 and billions is going there. Also all muslim countries like gaza, west bank, Jordan, Egypt etc paid by christian world. why?""
Just read the real (present/past) Indian history
Answer is simple " Islam and Christianity" are brethren as far as Politics is concerned ,as far as Killing Cult is concerned, they are complimentary to each other, they share the same evil root. It is not Jijiya the Christians are paying , they are paying to groom their brethren Islamists to subdue the non-Islamic non-Christian Infidels, Heathens .
Present day Islamic terrorism is a product of mostly Christian America, for world domination . They groomed the terrorists responsible for 9/11 and Nuclear Pakistan, the epicenter of all Islamic terrorism.
This is for the moderator of
This is for the moderator of FFI just read the following --posted by some one ,who is supposed to be a responsible writer of this forum.
"" 14. Ibn Kammuna Says:
June 10th, 2009 at 2:43 am
Continuum 1
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Now, why don’t you come out and tell us your religion. I won’t attack your beliefs, but there will be interesting responses from many readers. Are you a Hindu? Tell people here, and see the attacks you get, You seem to have a different approach than me. You like to discuss other religions, so come out and tell us your story. There are a lot of fangs waiting for you.---------------------------------"""
And I think this " Ibn Kammuna " owes some sincere apology to this forum for his racially motivated irresponsible threat.
Halalpork786.
Dear Rationalist You have
Dear Rationalist
You have hit the nail on the head by stating the truth. Islamic court writers glorified various crimes as acts of glorification for Islam. It is a shame that Indian historians obviously pepped up by the pseudo secularists have painted a different picture and entire generations have been brought up beliving false History and glorifying Muslim rulers. What is going on in India is dragging the nation to its dooms day at the hands of Islamists that is round the corner. To appease the Muslims Indian leaders leave no stone unturned to glorify the most cruel and religious bigots and in history books cock and bull stories are printed. As an example to quote , the most grave crimes committed by the Razakars that put humanity to shame are not even mentioned in books and state that India carried out Police action agaisnt Hyderabad as Nizam was not willing to accede to Indian union and some bla..bla..The Nizam has been glamorised as the benevolent ruler lightly misguided by Razvi. Shame indeed. This site is struggling to call spade a spade. I request the contributors to kindly adhere to the laid down norms for the site and desist from personal unpleasant remarks that do not serve any purpose.Thist is the least we can do to keep up decorum. The site is seen world wide and we should not be found wanting. Thanks
Dr K Prabhakar Rao
A marvellous book that I red
A marvellous book that I red recently regarding this subject was,
'Eminent historians, their technology, their line and their fraud" by Arun shourie.
A must read for every Hindus. It would take quite a long time to undo the spoil that was created by Marxist historians in Indian psyche.
God save India and Hindus..
I am quite not surprised
I am quite not surprised that many Indians ( Hindus and actually not surprised) have not read the book the eminent historians by Arun Shourie that was writtne way back in 1992!
Also while at the throat tof the vile historians( of the ilk of S.gopal) kindly read the follwoing books by the same author and open your eyes.This is particularly for Mr Samer who was intent on curtailing my remarks on vile christian missionaries.
1.The Missionaries in India
2.The world of fatwas
3.Eminent Historians: Their Technology, Their Line, Their Fraud
4.Harvesting Our Souls
5.Courts and their Judgements: Premises, Prerequisites, Consequences
6.Falling over backwards.
All these books are considered by the stupidest people on earth the hindus as communal! The tragedy of the hindus is that they are chopping their own feet and helping islamists and vile christian missionaries to complete the kill.
Dear PK, there is no point
Dear PK, there is no point in asking the reasons why Hindus are not aware of these things. We as Hindus know the answers really well. So breastbeating is definately not the solution.
The problem is that the education system in India has so badly brainwashed people that they actually believe that all the attacks on carried our by foreigners were normal and there was nothing wrong in it.
This systematic brainwash has been going since the last 60 years or so, on a major scale.
However now the times are changing, I would not say all, but a large number of Hindus are begining to realise the destruction that has been laid on our history, our culture and our civilization. We Hindus don't have a centralised form of religion, where one religious leader excercises authority over the rest of the population. Our temples are just places of worship where people go to worship God and these places are not used for Political sermons.
However we need to change these things if we have survive the coming times.
Temples should not only be places of worship where every Individual worships in solitute, but also a place where people can assimilate their ideas and share their common problems.
This could be the begining.
The hindoos are hopelessly
The hindoos are hopelessly divided lot.We have 7000 and odd castes and of these 85% are reserved castes! There are only 10 castes are so who are under the non reserved category.This hindoo division suits the islamists and the eviler missionaries fine.The evil missionaries want reservation for dalit christians just as before conversion.This was the stumbling block for conversion amongst many SC and Sts'. Many do get converted and retain their Hindoo names ( as encouraged by the evil missionaries) for example Y Samuel reddy!
This trcik can not easily be exposed,These converts spew venom at hindoos and hinduism to please their white evil missionaries and since they have hindoo name every body feels he has the right!
Moslems in this sense are better manily due to their stupidity.They change their name to sound like an arab!
Although there are exceptions, this is the norm.
The evils , both that they are, hold sword and one in the back and one in the front!
I forgot to add. The
I forgot to add. The britishers and the vile missionaries realised long time ago that the only lot of people who were refusing to accept the dead jew on a stick were the, yep got it right, the brahmins! No wonder the vile missionaries and the moslemscum bags both targeted brahmins and the present lot are carrying on the same.Brahmins constitute hardly 5-6% of the entire population and they are blamed for all the ills by both the evil moslems and the missionaries.There is a resident cretin head here who not knowing any thing keeps posting about the dalits and brahmins.There is a saying in our language" Even if a brahmin gives up his sacred thread and the rituals of brahmin , the stigma of brahminism will not leave you"!