Apostates Stories and the Kind Reaction of the Muslim Mobs
Submitted by Ibn Kammuna on Tue, 03/17/2009 - 07:58
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Dedication: I dedicate this article to Dr. Jamal Badawi and all his elk of Muslim apologetics in the west who lie to western readers by telling them that Islam is a religion of peace, and that Islam does not teach the killing of apostates. Such people are no more than a disgrace to humanity. They are a disgrace because they are trying to defend an evil dogma that is only deserving of being trashed to the lowest level.
Last year, I published two related articles on apostasy and its punishment in Islam according to Islamic law. In one of those articles, I proved, through authentic hadiths, that the punishment for apostasy in Islam is death. In the second article I proved the same punishment using Qur'anic verses. There is no doubt in my mind that any person who is willing to research the Islamic evidence with an objective mind will reach the conclusion that the death penalty for apostasy is a must. In fact, all four Islamic schools of jurisprudence prescribe the death penalty for those who venture out and decide that Islam is not for them, then leave that evil cult. Just to make it clear: there is ONLY four schools of jurisprudence in Islam. Here is a link to those two articles, combined as one, for the interested reader:
http://www.islam-watch.org/Kammuna/Apostasy-in-Islam.htm
Do not be fooled by the Muslim apologetics in the west who deny this truth about the apostasy laws. They are either liars or practicing Taqiyya. I have no respect for such apologetics. I am not in the business of sugar-coating Islam. Evil is Evil, and in a free world, one has to stand tall and tell the honest truth. When you have all four Islamic schools of jurisprudence telling you that the punishment is the death penalty for apostates, what would you say about an apologetic who denies that? He/she is a liar, plain and simple. Taqiyya or no Taqiyya, he/she is a liar. What other possible alternative would you call them? Such apologetics are living in the west, so why not admit the truth, and search for a greener pasture? I have no answer for this last question, except that such people are hanging onto a mirage. In Arabic we have a saying: “a drowning person, will hold onto a straw” (hoping that will save him from drowning). The ship of Islam is on its way down the ocean. Islam is the Titanic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titanic) of human civilization and it has already hit the huge rocks of ice time and again. The holes are many and big. Not even Muhammad and his deity can save that ship. It is going down to the deepest pit of the ocean of hell, taking with it Muhammad and his divine ego; Allah, along with his followers. I even saw from afar some of those apologetics waving and shouting nonsense from that Titanic.
In this article, I share with the reader two videos that I was aware of through one of FFI's valued readers and friend, Krishna. I would like to express my gratitude to him for providing me with links to those videos that prompted me to write on the issue of apostasy.
First Video: This video comes from Britian. The story in the video actually touched my heart deeply. It tells the story of a man and his family. They were harassed by the followers of “the religion of Horror and Terror”. I am sure his and his family's story will touch your heart too. We take our freedoms in the west for granted, yet, this story makes the Islamic threat to our freedoms of choices and of beliefs very concrete. Here is the video (please note that the Imam at the end of the video is simply lying and practicing Taqiyya):
Second Video: This video comes from Iran. Iran has one of the most evil regimes in the world, second only to Saudi Arabia. Even there, people are fed up with Islam, and want freedom no matter what. Maybe the British Government can learn from those courageous Iranian souls, and show some guts in the face of the Muslim thugs of Britain. When Geert Wilders was not allowed in Britain, Bertrand Russell (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bertrand_russel) and Anwar Shaikh (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anwar_Shaikh) were livid and boiling in their graves. I even almost heard them say that they should have asked to be buried in Holland instead of Britain. Shame on the whole government of Britain that cowardly act of not allowing a democratically elected official, and a voice of reason and freedom in the world, Geert Wilders, into Britain. What a shame. What a cowardly act of dhimmitude!
Here is the video from Iran, showing brave Iranians challenging the very establishment of Islam, and its evil Mullah's, by denouncing the “Religion of Peace” and believing in the man of Peace. Show that video to the cowards of Britain. Maybe then, they'll come to their senses and be able to remember the great Christian heritage of Britain and Europe that allowed the formation of modern day democracies:
Submitted by Shafee al-Zindig (not verified) on Tue, 03/17/2009 - 09:39.
Yes indeed Ibn Kammuna, O merciful Allah has decreed that there are 2 permissible versions of Islam. One for domestic consumption in Islamic countries where they daily live harsh reality and another for foreign consumption where they pretend it isn't so.
All to falsely advertise Islam as a religion of peace among future potential slaves called reverts. How come false advertising laws don't apply to Islam?
Submitted by proudkafir (not verified) on Tue, 03/17/2009 - 11:43.
Say yes to Islam then say yes to
1.Pedophilia
2.Wife beating
3.Kafir killing.
4.Rape.
5.Child molesting.
6.Lying.
7.Uncouth behaviour.
8.Illiteracy.
9.Ignorance.
10.Incest.
11.Beheading on fridays.
12.Head banging 5 times a day.
13.Irrationality.
14.Slavery.
15.Stupidity.
16.Cruelity
17.Criminality.
18.30% rip off interest
19.Burkha.
20.Misogyny
21.Backwardness.
All in all regress to 7th centuryArabia.
Say no to islam and you will be saying No to All of the above.So think .would you want to say yes to islam or a BIG NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO to islam?
Submitted by Halalpork786 (not verified) on Tue, 03/17/2009 - 13:03.
by Ibn Kammuna
""----- Iam not in the business of sugar-coating Islam. Evil is Evil, and in a free world, one has to stand tall and tell the honest truth. When you have all four Islamic----""
Just read the following , you will come to know : It is not just Islam which is in the business of sugar-coating Truth.
Very Interesting facts!
Christianity…. One Christ, One Bible Religion…
You know the Latin Catholic will not enter Syrian Catholic Church.
These two will not enter Marthoma Church.
These three will not enter Pentecost Church.
These four will not enter Salvation Army Church.
These five will not enter Seventh Day Adventist Church.
These six will not enter Orthodox Church.
These seven will not enter Jacobite church.
Like this there are 146 sects in Kerala alone for Christianity,
each will never share their churches for fellow Christians.. !
One Christ, One Bible, One Jehova..... Where is the unity!!!
Now Muslims..! One Allah Dalla, One Qurand, One Nebi....one Sharia law .
Among Muslims, Shia and Sunni kill each other in all the Muslim countries.
The religious riot in most Muslim countries is always between these two sects.
The Shia will not go to Sunni Mosque.
These two will not go to Ahamadiya Mosque.
These three will not go to Sufi Mosque.
These four will not go to Mujahiddin mosque.
Like this it appears there are 13 castes in Muslims.
Killing / bombing/conquering/ massacring/. .. each other !
The American attack to the Muslim land of Iraq is fully supported by all the Muslim countries surrounding Iraq!
One Allah Dalla, One Qurand, One Nebi....! Where is the peace !
All Muslims are not Terrorists, but most Terrorists are Muslims. 60% of all victims of Muslim terrorism are Muslims.
Hindus - 1,280 Religious Books, 10,000 Commentaries,
more than one lakh sub-commentaries for these foundation books, 330 million gods, variety of Aacharyas, thousands of Rishies, hundreds of languages... .............with all these, problems are bound to be there......... still, mostly everyone goes to the SAME TEMPLE ...
Politicians had tried to divide and rule, using religion, caste and creed… Keep Religion out of Politics, and India will be the most peaceful place on earth.
Submitted by ibrahim (not verified) on Tue, 03/17/2009 - 16:51.
There's a paki, a englishman, a granny and a blonde girl on a train.They go threw the tunnel and they hear some one get
slapped. The blonde girl thinks the paki has felt the granny and slapped the paki and the granny thought that about the
blonde girl and the englishman thought I can't wait until another tunnel so I can hit that paki bastard again.
Submitted by ibrahim (not verified) on Tue, 03/17/2009 - 16:53.
Two Arabs are sitting in a Gaza Strip bar chatting over a pint of fermented goat’s milk.
One pulls his wallet out and starts flipping through pictures and they start reminiscing.
"This is my oldest son, he’s a martyr."
"This is my second son. He is a martyr also."
After a pause and a deep sigh, the second Arab says wistfully,
"They blow up so fast, don’t they?"
Submitted by krishna786 (not verified) on Tue, 03/17/2009 - 16:58.
Dear brothers Ibn Kammuna & Ali Sina
I am presenting 2 more videos concerning IRAN.First one is the letter written by the Persian King to the calipha after his defeat.You can feel the Kings anguish in his words. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daDZyBSlicQ&feature=PlayList&p=D41FDDFDC6... The second video is comparing an islamic Iran to a SECULAR IRAN.This video is disturbing especially where a teenage boy is hung & he goes smiling,yes smiling.This reminds me of the story of Shahed BHAGAT SINGH.It brought tears to m eyes.The caption was apt,this boy could be your son,brother,etc.Truly islam is a bustard religion.I THINK THERE NO WORDS IN THE HUMAN VOCABULARY TO DESCRIBE islam http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-FMfTpeRD4&feature=PlayList&p=D41FDDFDC6...
Submitted by ibrahim (not verified) on Tue, 03/17/2009 - 16:59.
)Q: In Iraq, Why don’t they teach driver’s education and sex education
on the same day?
A: Its just too hard for the camels !!!!
Q/Why are camels called the ships of the desert.
A/Because they are full of Arabian semen.
What do you call an arab standing between two buildings?
Ali!
What do you call a pretty Paki?
Asif!
Why is the Afghan air force so easy to train?
You only have to teach them how to take off!
Why aren't there any Wal*Marts in Afghanistan?
Because there's a Target on every corner!
What do you call a piece of sandpaper in Afghanistan?
A map!
Failed Afghan recruitment slogans:
Be Allah you can be!
Martyrs have more fun!
Free camoflage turbans! Sign up today!
Uncle oSAMa wants you!
What do you call a guy with his hand up a camels ass?
An Afghani mechanic!
Whats one arab on the moon?
problem
10 arabs on the moon?
problem
100 arabs on the moon?
large problem
1000 arabs on the moon?
big big problem
1000000 arabs on the moon?
massive problem
all the arabs on the moon?
Problem solved!
Submitted by proudkafir (not verified) on Tue, 03/17/2009 - 17:04.
Frankly speaking the Iranians and Iraqis are the best moslems I have come across. In Sodi Barbaria, people from Jeddah and mekkah region are fairly decent as well.SOme moslems in Damam and daharan area and in Bahrain. The worst lot are sodis in Riyadh and sh1t of the universe are from Buraidah! This is a real sh1t hole of a place where even sodis are scared.that's the true nature of thei evil islam.
Worst Moslems in the order ( duplicity, stupidity, idiocy)
Egyptians.
Palestanians
Pakis
Binglys
North Indian Moslems.
Moslems from malayasia
African moslems( particularly the ethiopians)
Sodis
Kuwaitis
Jordanians
South Indian Moslems
Turkish
Indonesians
Srilankan moslems.
This has been my exposure to this disease of islamic followers!
Submitted by ibrahim (not verified) on Tue, 03/17/2009 - 17:06.
An old Arab lived close to New York City for more than 40
years. He would have loved to plant potatoes in his garden, but
he is alone, old and weak. His son is in college in Paris, so the
old man sends him an e-mail. He explains the problem:
"Beloved son, I am very sad, because I can't plant potatoes in
my garden. I am sure, if only you were here, you would help and
dig up the garden for me.
I love you,
Your Father"
The following day, the old man receives a response e-mail from
his son:
"Beloved Father,
Please don't touch the garden. It's there that I have hidden 'the
THING'.
I love you, too,
Ahmed"
At 4pm the US Army, The Marines, the FBI, the CIA and the
Rangers visit the house of the old man, take the whole garden
apart, search every inch, but can't find anything. Disappointed
they leave the house.
A day later, the old man receives another e-mail from his son.
"Beloved Father,
I hope the garden is dug up by now and you can plant your
potatoes.
That's all I could do for you from here.
I love you,
Ahmed."
Submitted by R_not (not verified) on Tue, 03/17/2009 - 22:14.
#4, so bashing Christianity and trying to make it worse than islam is helpful?
All those points you make might be something an individual, or some individuals, have done - not entering some other denomination's Church. But there is no decree in the Catholic Church to do, or not do, such a thing. If there is - show me.
And even if there is - I don't recall any of those same people trying to kill the others from other Churches.
And I know as an individual I wouldn't enter into a mosque because I find the thought of doing so a very disgusting thing to do. To legitimize their deceiving death cult is not my idea of a neat thing to do.
Submitted by R_not (not verified) on Tue, 03/17/2009 - 22:30.
#2, India has met the muslim hordes in three major jihads. And Pakistan used to be India - and the muslims declared another jihad in late 2007. And the violence in Kashmir and India has been going on for some time.
I don't know how anyone can think the muslims will keep their word when they have not done so in any other time and/or place. Especially when they have a religion that says to break any agreement as soon as they see fit.
Submitted by Raisin Head (not verified) on Wed, 03/18/2009 - 00:13.
#16 TRUE
Pakistani schools teach that lie. even though so-called educated Muslims know better they lie to spread Islam. Allah is the greatest deceiver as he said in sura 3:54 He is also the greatest schemer as he said in sura 3;54. How can an intelligent god deceive (lie) to man his creation, and scheme with inferior man. This is the reason why the 57 Islamic states in the UN want to stop us from critizing Islam. Fair is fair. The Muslims will have to destroy the Quran and the hadiths which means no Islam.
I suggest the oic just stop the crap. Too many people have freedom and can read, and do read. Too many Africans and Blacks have kbnown freedom for Islam to succeed. If the Mamluks (white Slaves) and the Black slaves (abeeds) allow the best of all mankind the Arabs to restart slavery it is their fault.
Muslims want to take over Nigeria and the Non-Muslim Nigerians said they are locked and loaded. Non-Muslims said they will fight back as never before. Black Muslims in the West, need to take a lesson from the Africans who suffered so much from Islam. Finally, Africans are fighting back. If Black Americans want to be Muslims go to Saudi Arabia or North Sudan and see how they are treated. Although Black Americans are lighter in skin color than the Sudanese Arabs, so then there will be another war. American Muslims vs African Arabs. They get a one way ticket there and don't come back. Black infidels will say and sing "Hit the road Muslim Jacks, and don't come back-- no mo, no mo, no mo. Hit the road Muslim Jacks, and don't come back no mooooo0000000000000.
Submitted by wagamama (not verified) on Wed, 03/18/2009 - 01:45.
If Muslims convert to Christinity in Islamic nations it is a good sign because Muhammad was an evil man and we can see that from Quran. However, if these neo-converts start despising other religions, then they are as bad as they were before. In South Korea and Thailand, scores of Buddhist temples are attacked and destroyed by these neo-Christians. Many apologists will say 'Jesus did not preach that but some miscreants are doing it'. Hey, the end result is that they think they are favouring these pagans by harvesting their souls by hook or crook. Yeah, they want to save them from HELL-FIRE!! North East India was converted by force in the last 30 yrs. Recently, Sri Lankan government brought in strict anti-conversion laws against forceful conversions. Christians should not treat other religions with despise. If some Christians are already thinking that I might be consumed in hell-fire on the judgement day for uttering this, then they are as good as Muslims.
Submitted by Ibn Kammuna (not verified) on Wed, 03/18/2009 - 02:05.
To Krishna: thank you brother for the vidoes. I watched the first one. Great. I even may ask FFI to have it posted. We are really still fighting the same fight that this great king fought and lost.
To: Wagamama: In all honesty, do you think the teaching of Jesus are similar to the teachings of Muhammad? I am sure you know better. Now, Christians, throughout history proved to be a bloody bunch too, but not because of their "Qur'an", so to speak. Jesus was a completely pacifist person. He lived what he taught. The Christians you are talking about are really not practicing their faith when they do what you mentioned. You can take what I am telling you here to the bank. This is the honest truth. The problem with Islam is that such evil actions are prompted by the teachings of the religion itself, and by Muhammad. In short, the difference between Christianity and Islam is like day and night. Thanks for your comment brother/sister.
Submitted by Ibn Kammuna (not verified) on Wed, 03/18/2009 - 02:08.
Krishna, one more thing, I could not bring myself to watch the second video brother. it is sickening, and I have a weak heart brother. Hearing about Islamic horrors like that is enough for me. I don't need to see it. May the God of this universe, and every atom in this universe curse Muhammad till the cows come home because of what he did to humanity.
thanks brother
Submitted by proudkafir (not verified) on Wed, 03/18/2009 - 02:12.
Christians and moscums are the two sides of the same coin of EVIL.Period.
If the christians are presenting a farce peaceful face, they are simply cunning.It took 500 years for christianity to apologise to Galileo about the stupidity of christianity.Sun still does not go round the earth no matter what the divine christ thought and taught.
Moscums are evil to the core.Only people who do not believe in any thing that pedo rapist has vomited out are decent human beings.The rest are garbage.
They both think that they have the truth and so despise the people who do not accept Jesus or the rapist.I can at least give it to jesus,he did not screw a 6 year old child.
Submitted by wagamama (not verified) on Wed, 03/18/2009 - 02:25.
Ibn Kammuna, I know there is a sea of difference between the characters of Jesus and Muhammad. Tell me, why the neo-converts from Christianity, especially in the subcontinent, involve in destroying others' places of worship. For example, the once peaceful Buddhists in Korea and Thailand, when they convert to Christianity they resort to destroying the idols of Buddha and pagodas. It doesn't happen in western countries. Why does that happen in Asia and Pacific countries? In India too, many neo-converts have taken away idols (we call them deities) from temples and destroyed them. We Hindus and Buddhists still remember the dark days of history when Muhammad Ghazni, Ghori, Tughlaq, Timurlain, Babar, and Aurangzeb destroyed innumerable temples and deities. My honest questions to you-- a researcher/scholar-- are
1. What makes these neo-converts to destroy the places of worship of others?
2. When Christians and Muslims have done it in the past, then there must be some teachings that encourage them to do so. Please don't put before me the sorry figure of Jesus to explain away things.
My initial research into this (Quran and Old testament) confirms that idols are to be detested and destroyed by Muslims and Christians at any cost. Christians use OT to do stupid things and later bring in the sorry-state figure of Jesus to console you. This won't run forever.
Submitted by heng (not verified) on Wed, 03/18/2009 - 03:05.
I think we should have more article like this. We need to continue to brain wash the muslim that is them that are going to hell if they continue to support this cult. I think this will help to make sense into and them make them think twice before commiting to a cult like this. This is where Pascal's Wager suggestion is defeated here. To Pascal's Wager you will not loose much if you believe in god. I think you will lose a lot if you commit to a wrong god. You may be condemned to the worst hell it will ever exist if it is true.
Submitted by Ibn Kammuna (not verified) on Wed, 03/18/2009 - 03:09.
Wagamama,
brother I wish I have answers to everything. I don't. I grew up in the middle east and not east Asia, and this is probably part of why I do not understand why Christians, say in north east India are violent and give Christianity a bad name. I really have no answers. I suspect what makes any group of people in addition to religion is cultural values, political struggles, ethnicity..etc. I can tell you this though: in my view, Christianity can be seen most vivid in the first 4 gospels of the new testament. this is what Jesus taught and lived. I am not writing here to defend Christianity by any means. All I am saying is that Jesus, the supposed leader of the Christians, was a pacifist. In one of his writings, Ali Sina describes Jesus as "Pacifist to a Fault". This is actually accurate. The man believed in forgiveness no matter what.
Incidently, Allahmeralauda is using my lack of knowledge of his language to call me names. I have no hard feeling toward you brother/sister. I just do not know why you are trying to insult a person when you even don't know that person. By the way, I picked my name after a Jewish person who lived in Iraq about a 1000 years ago. He had to flee his home after he wrote a book about Islam. He was smuggled in a basket. The Muslims mob, who did not even read what he wrote, came after him to kill him. He fled and stayed away from his home town until he died. What an evil religion Islam is.
Peace to all.
Submitted by wagamama (not verified) on Wed, 03/18/2009 - 03:54.
Ibn Kammuna, thanks for your response. I believe that Jesus lived a peaceful life. However, if you peep into history, you will find that Christianity never coexisted with other religions. It used sword to convert the Greeks, Romans, Mayans, and other pagans. However great Jesus could have been, the entire "heathen" population of a civilization cannot accept him as their "only" saviour. When there is freedom of religion in US, many born christians are turning towards other religions. This did not happen in the past in Europe and South America. Christianity ruthlessly forced the natives to accept Jesus. If Christianity is a peaceful religion, then it should have coexisted with Hellenism, paganism, Druids, Celtecs, Romans, and other religions in Europe. Sadly, Christianity first attacks the core of other religions before unleashing its wrath on the population. You might know how Portuguese Catholics created terrorism in Goa, India. Google 'Goa inquisition' and you will realize Christians were no better than Muslims.
All I say is wherever Islam and Christianity have ruled, they have decimated the native population and forced them to accept their belief or dogma that--- Jesus is the only saviour / Muhammad is the ultimate prophet of God. I might sound quite blunt here, but it is a fact. Christians are so obsessed with Jesus that they enter 'heathen' home, describe the glory of Jesus, and end up bashing the native culture as if it is fit for hell. Since you are from middle east, Christianity could be a better alternative. To be frank, the teachings of Buddha are far more superior than Jesus', but Buddhists do not shout on the top of their voice to confirm it. If the Church were not to be separated from the State in the west, then Europe would still be in Dark Ages. Why the term- separation of the CHURCH from state and why not religion from state?
My research confirms that few common teachings in Islam and Christianity make the followers of these religions lot more aggressive towards other faiths. If Islam is no.1, then definitely Christianity stands at no.2. There is no doubt about this! Trust me, I have no disrespect towards Jesus, but I abhor Muhammad a lot.
Submitted by wagamama (not verified) on Wed, 03/18/2009 - 04:26.
Ibn Kammuna, take your time and read the following article on the fraudulant conversions happening in Asia. Christians have resorted to idol worship as well-- just to convert some pagan souls. They will resort to any technique in pagan lands. I know Jesus didn't preach this!
Priest admits to idol worship in churches
Posted March 14, 2009
Indian Express
BANGALORE: In a revelation that could have widespread ramifications, Father Joseph Menengis, priest of St James Church in Mariyannapalya, Bangalore, confessed before the Justice B K Somashekara Commission of Inquiry on Wednesday that idol worship was being performed in churches to attract Hindus and convert them to Christianity.
The Commission is inquiring into the recent attacks on churches in Karnataka.
As Hindus believe in idol worship,so to attract them to Christianity, idol worship is performed in churches,� Menengis said.During cross-examination, the priest said that despite idol worship being prohibited in Bible, we have idol worship in churches.The duty of every Christian is to convert non-Christians to Christianity by any means,the priest told the commission.
St James Church was attacked by miscreants on September 21, 2008.
The church is running co-education institutions, with classes from first to eight standard. During cross-examination the priest confessed that no girl students are permitted to use kumkum, bangles and wear flowers. In our institution, we have moral science textbook.But it does not contain texts regarding Holy Bible and Jesus, the priest added. The commission has requested the priest to submit the textbook to it.
Submitted by proudkafir (not verified) on Wed, 03/18/2009 - 05:51.
Its the fault of stupid hindus that they are letting the evil of christianity and islam flourish and progress amidst them.If Hindus become aggressive, then islamic and christian goons will stop the nonsense of conversion.
The rpoblem is ginorant and greedy hindus will join the secular brigade and will create havoc.
Submitted by ibrahim (not verified) on Wed, 03/18/2009 - 07:35.
allahmera lauda wrote
ibn kaminay…the name krishna is a very holy name…one who enlightens ppl in some way or other and always tehre to help ppl…
mere laude, why the fuck are you calling him a Kamina? What has he done to you? Is he responsible for what the Christians are doing in India... Just bcos Indians Christians (many not all) are freaking retards does not mean that you wil shower every Christian with your shit. If you have a problem with Christians in India then go and beat the shit out of them, why are you targetting someone who has nothing to do with what Christians do in India. You have proved yourself to be a major retard time and again, my lauda.
Submitted by DREAMLAND (not verified) on Wed, 03/18/2009 - 08:04.
#29 can u show me where it is written in the bible. The duty of every Christian is to convert non-Christians to Christianity by any means. Those words are of his own
Submitted by DREAMLAND (not verified) on Wed, 03/18/2009 - 08:25.
MATTHEW CHAPTER 7:15 Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. 7:16 you will know them by there fruits.Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles?
Submitted by DREAMLAND (not verified) on Wed, 03/18/2009 - 08:36.
It is clearly written that u shall not worship idols,then how can u call them christians when they openly worship idols. CHRISTIANS R THOSE WHO FOLLOW CHRIST AND HIS TEACHINGS.
Submitted by proudchristian (not verified) on Wed, 03/18/2009 - 08:45.
wagamama:
First to be frank, the old testament clearly discourages idol worship so this is probably the primary reason some christians in idol worshiping cultures like south east asians will resort to destroy idols once they become zealous in their new faith.
The key question is there any necessity for new converts to hate idol worshipers and destroy their idols? The answer is no. The OT is a detailed dealings between God and descendants of Israel which is comprise of laws, creeds and traditions that God ordered to be strictly abided by israelites. Any violation would not pass away unscathed. The worst was worshiping anything other than Yahweh which deserved nothing less than capital punishment!
The iron is if Yahweh is so much abhored with idol worshipping, why the heathens i.e non-jewish races could get away with idol worshipping without being punished? God sent so many prophets but only sent to one race consisting of few bunch of people, the israelites, to remind them of him being the only God and that idols were abominations. It did not matter how much those israelites defied his laws or became stubborn or discouraged God, God did not give up. He simply tolerated them. But why God did not show that much attention to the gentiles/heathens? These high profile God dealings with jews continued until the advent of Jesus!
At this point I want to mention that if God was that much disgusted by idol worship, he would've taught us that or sent to us prophets to teach us about it. But he ignored us and didn't care. And Paul reiterates this in Acts 17:30 "Though God has overlooked those times of ignorance, he now commands everyone everywhere to repent".
Wagamama brother, actually those violent christian converts in south asia are likely to be motivated by the zealotry associated with the early stages of the new faith coupled with the obvious lack of knowledge of christian scriptures. Otherwise they would have known that God is not that much abhored with idol worshiping. I'm also frustrated by experienced christian leaders of south asia, cant they help their people to respect others?
Submitted by Halalpork786 (not verified) on Wed, 03/18/2009 - 10:07.
#27. Ibn Kammuna Says:
""Incidently, Allahmeralauda is using my lack of knowledge of his language to call me names.""
Then how do you know Lauda is calling you Names? If you have no knowledge of Lauda's Language?
#31. ibrahim Says:
""mere laude, why the xxxx are you calling him a Kamina? ""
Now why should you react to any kind of profanity when you can just ignore such sh!t?
Your reaction proves ,profanity is also part of your real self, just scratch a little and your real self surfaces. Ha Ha Ha . Same as Kamunna.
Submitted by peace_lover (not verified) on Wed, 03/18/2009 - 10:19.
I have been visiting this website for a while and I find the language used in forum very uncivilized. Seems like people in these forums believe that Muslims are not humans. Some people even curse Allah which just means God to Muslims. People here claim to love humanity but all I find here is just extreme hatred fand scorn for Muslims.
Submitted by Halalpork786 (not verified) on Wed, 03/18/2009 - 10:36.
#37. peace_lover Says:
""---all I find here is just extreme hatred fand scorn for Muslims.---""
You mean to say Allah Dalla( Pimp) is a Muslim?
If some one curses Allah Dalla , he is cursing the whole of Muslim brotherhood?
Are you a ". peace_lover " or a pedophile MoHamMad lover baby?
Muslim pigs ( believers of pedo-Mo ) have no right to talk about languages " Uncivilized or Civilized "as Muslim pigs ( believers of pedo-Mo ) have nothing to do with civilization as those inhuman cretins are responsible for destruction of many a beautiful Civilizations in the past and the present.
Submitted by peace_lover (not verified) on Wed, 03/18/2009 - 10:56.
If Muslims dont have right to talk about language then Christians and Jews also dont have it. There isnt much difference between the Old testament, Koran and Torah. But most of the people in this forum dont use uncivilized language against Jews or Christians. All there hatred is directed towards Muslims.
Submitted by proudchristian (not verified) on Wed, 03/18/2009 - 10:58.
Yes the language used in this forum is fairly uncivilized but so does allah, muhammad and the quran. All three are filthy and extremely violent, dangerous and totaly uncivilized. And yeah you are right to say allah means god to muslims...of course a god which allows pedophillic behaviours.
Submitted by peace_lover (not verified) on Wed, 03/18/2009 - 11:07.
Be careful proudchristian. Seems like you forget the word of lord. Let me remind you:
" You have heard that it was said, "Love yout neighbour and hate your enemy", But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who prosecute you.
Matthew 5 :43
You call yourself proudchristian and you use foul language against your fellow humans ? You don't even follow what christ preached.
Submitted by proudchristian (not verified) on Wed, 03/18/2009 - 11:08.
Peacelover, if you cannot see the difference between OT and quran, you will see it by looking at the fruits that what these books produces. The quran produces hypocrites, terrorists, pedophiles, dictators, unstable governments, violation of basic human rights, extreme ignorance, poverty, burqa, familly dismanagement, polygamy, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Iran....satisfied?
Submitted by peace_lover (not verified) on Wed, 03/18/2009 - 11:14.
Christians have done horrendous things too. Dont make me list the disgusting things that people belonging to Christianity have done. However we don't need to fret about the past . I do recognize that there is a problem with Muslim world. However insulting them and using foul language is not the way to deal with it.
Submitted by peace_lover (not verified) on Wed, 03/18/2009 - 11:18.
proudchrstian you believe Bible is corrupted ? Thats interesting. R u really a christian ? Anyways, so in order to justify cursing Muslims you are claiming that bible is corrupted.. Well people have changed religious beliefs in the past according to their convenience , so i m not surprised.
Submitted by proudchristian (not verified) on Wed, 03/18/2009 - 11:33.
peacelover, the christians reformed. Let' me know if the muslim world can be reformed and how.
Actually I thought you are a muslim and that is always my response when a muslim picks any bible verse to prove his point. If you are not a muslim you are one of those leftist buffoons condoning islamoterrorism and justifying everything they do in the name of cultural relativism.
Submitted by Halalpork786 (not verified) on Wed, 03/18/2009 - 11:39.
#39. peace_lover Says:
===If Muslims dont have right to talk about language then Christians and Jews also dont have it. There isnt much difference between the Old testament, Koran and Torah.==
You are right to the extent that "" Christians and Jews also dont have it"" But when I said Muslim I meant "believer of Pedo-Mo" and not the by birth innocent human beings who are forced to become Muslims by their parents or the billy goat Mullahs.
Believers like Muslims, Christians and Jews: they are all the same wine with different labels.
Submitted by proudkafir (not verified) on Wed, 03/18/2009 - 12:19.
Dear Peacelover and hate giver
Moslems have given the nonmoslems nothing but hatred and disturbance in the name of the pedophile rapist and allahmeralauda. Can you give one good act done by moslems to non moslems ( Indians in particular) to make us all believe that yes islam is a peaceful religion?
I can give you thousands of evil acts perpetrated by the uncouth,uncivilised, brutal, barbaric, criminal, polygamist, rapist moslems on kafirs and all Iam asking you is give one decent act done by moslems to kafirs.
That's the reason no body likes Allahmeralauda, rapist mohammad and the evil moslems. Do you understand why there are so many people hating the evil foot soldiers of allahmeralauda?
Submitted by krishna786 (not verified) on Wed, 03/18/2009 - 14:23.
Dear peace lover,
If you are a muslim,then the name is not apt.I read your arguments with brother proud christian who mentioned that the bible is corrupted.do you have the guts to say the koran is corrupted or imperfect.What makes you think muslims are perfect & superior?
When you convert a nonmuslim,you ask him to give up his culture,religion & blood relatives if so required.That is you ask him to forget the past.HIS MENTAL & PHYSICAL WORLD IS WIPED CLEAN.Why cannot the muslim world (ulema) forget the past of their caliphate & stop hallucinating about creating a new world wide caliphate.I am using islamic logic for this.
Hinduism is the oldest longest lasting religion on the planet.It is not here, only because of the greatness of the religion,but also due to the abrahamic religions, especially islam & to a certain extent Christianity.You guys have effectively wiped out other different belief systems & religions. Many years back, i read a lot of Christians blaming their religion for creating so much of strife & anarchy in different parts of the world. In a world sense i never understood the statements,now i understand.My Pranam,salam & blessings to these correct thinking humans who were born as Christians in this world. The mainline churches have behaved & given yeoman service to my Indian brothers in remote areas,with some amount of conversions which is acceptable. But dear Christians of the free west,it is not the same with fringe elements or evangelicals who have run amok in India. RIGHT THINKING CHRISTIANS OF THE FREE WEST SHOULD REIN IN THESE ELEMENTS WHO ARE, AS BAD,AS VOLATILE,AS MUSLIMS.
NOW COMING TO THE MUSLIMS WHAT HAVE YOU CONTRIBUTED TO THE INDIAN NATION OR AT LEAST TO THE INDIAN SOCIETY. THAT S THE ANSWER FOR THE UNCIVILIZED LANGUAGE USED FOR ISLAM & MUSLIMS, BY INDIANS IN GENERAL & HINDUS IN PARTICULAR.
IF ALI SINA STARTS A HINDU BASHING WEB SITE, I WILL BE THE FIRST PERSON ON THE FORUM.HINDUISM REQUIRES IT.WE HAVE GATHERED PLENTY OF MOSS OVER THE MILLENNIUM, WE NEED TO CLEAR IT. THAT AGAIN IS THE BEAUTY OF HINDUISM, WE REFORM & MOLD TO CRITICISM. SO DEAR TRY TO IMBIBE SOME GOOD QUALITIES FROM HINDUISM & YET BE A MUSLIM.
BECAUSE HINDUISM IS LESS OF A RELIGION & MORE, A WAY OF LIFE.
GROW UP & TRY TO REFORM & STILL BE A MUSLIM. TAKE CARE.
Submitted by Salim (not verified) on Wed, 03/18/2009 - 14:24.
Dumbo proud Kafir
One thing muslims hammered home to Indians is how fragmented Indians were.
Secondly, there was no country like India, up untill muslims made this to be realized. You should be thankful, but moron, you appear to be deluded there.
Actually, guys like you are uncouth and uncivilized, muslims gave you a lot of tehzeeb to build on, if your somnambulist self knows what it really means.
If it was brutal, rest assured you needed it for your own good.
See, you still feel proud as a kafir, you moron!!
Faithfreedom.org echoes the voice of ex-Muslims who want to stop the spread of Islam, expose its violent nature, and help Muslims to understand it and leave it. We believe in the oneness of humanity and oppose Islam for inciting hatred against non Muslims. Muhammad instructed his follower to conquer the world by the sword and to rule it with terror. We are determined to not let that happen.
Yes indeed Ibn Kammuna, O
Yes indeed Ibn Kammuna, O merciful Allah has decreed that there are 2 permissible versions of Islam. One for domestic consumption in Islamic countries where they daily live harsh reality and another for foreign consumption where they pretend it isn't so.
All to falsely advertise Islam as a religion of peace among future potential slaves called reverts. How come false advertising laws don't apply to Islam?
One more nation will face the
One more nation will face the "peaceful" ISLAMIC invasion.
Govt inks deal with Muslims in Nepal
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/World/Govt-inks-deal-with-Muslims-in-...
Say yes to Islam then say yes
Say yes to Islam then say yes to
1.Pedophilia
2.Wife beating
3.Kafir killing.
4.Rape.
5.Child molesting.
6.Lying.
7.Uncouth behaviour.
8.Illiteracy.
9.Ignorance.
10.Incest.
11.Beheading on fridays.
12.Head banging 5 times a day.
13.Irrationality.
14.Slavery.
15.Stupidity.
16.Cruelity
17.Criminality.
18.30% rip off interest
19.Burkha.
20.Misogyny
21.Backwardness.
All in all regress to 7th centuryArabia.
Say no to islam and you will be saying No to All of the above.So think .would you want to say yes to islam or a BIG NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO to islam?
by Ibn Kammuna ""----- Iam
by Ibn Kammuna
""----- Iam not in the business of sugar-coating Islam. Evil is Evil, and in a free world, one has to stand tall and tell the honest truth. When you have all four Islamic----""
Just read the following , you will come to know : It is not just Islam which is in the business of sugar-coating Truth.
Very Interesting facts!
Christianity…. One Christ, One Bible Religion…
You know the Latin Catholic will not enter Syrian Catholic Church.
These two will not enter Marthoma Church.
These three will not enter Pentecost Church.
These four will not enter Salvation Army Church.
These five will not enter Seventh Day Adventist Church.
These six will not enter Orthodox Church.
These seven will not enter Jacobite church.
Like this there are 146 sects in Kerala alone for Christianity,
each will never share their churches for fellow Christians.. !
One Christ, One Bible, One Jehova..... Where is the unity!!!
Now Muslims..! One Allah Dalla, One Qurand, One Nebi....one Sharia law .
Among Muslims, Shia and Sunni kill each other in all the Muslim countries.
The religious riot in most Muslim countries is always between these two sects.
The Shia will not go to Sunni Mosque.
These two will not go to Ahamadiya Mosque.
These three will not go to Sufi Mosque.
These four will not go to Mujahiddin mosque.
Like this it appears there are 13 castes in Muslims.
Killing / bombing/conquering/ massacring/. .. each other !
The American attack to the Muslim land of Iraq is fully supported by all the Muslim countries surrounding Iraq!
One Allah Dalla, One Qurand, One Nebi....! Where is the peace !
All Muslims are not Terrorists, but most Terrorists are Muslims. 60% of all victims of Muslim terrorism are Muslims.
Hindus - 1,280 Religious Books, 10,000 Commentaries,
more than one lakh sub-commentaries for these foundation books, 330 million gods, variety of Aacharyas, thousands of Rishies, hundreds of languages... .............with all these, problems are bound to be there......... still, mostly everyone goes to the SAME TEMPLE ...
Politicians had tried to divide and rule, using religion, caste and creed… Keep Religion out of Politics, and India will be the most peaceful place on earth.
Peace brother Ibn Kammuna. Have a nice reading.
Halalpork786
Now I'm sure you are so much
Now I'm sure you are so much in love with hinduism!
proudchristian Says: March
proudchristian Says:
March 17th, 2009 at 1:42 pm
Now I’m sure you are so much in love with hinduism!
You are proud as you are Christian : I just love , so does it matter what I love as long as I am in Love? Ha Ha Ha
There's a paki, a englishman,
There's a paki, a englishman, a granny and a blonde girl on a train.They go threw the tunnel and they hear some one get
slapped. The blonde girl thinks the paki has felt the granny and slapped the paki and the granny thought that about the
blonde girl and the englishman thought I can't wait until another tunnel so I can hit that paki bastard again.
Two Arabs are sitting in a
Two Arabs are sitting in a Gaza Strip bar chatting over a pint of fermented goat’s milk.
One pulls his wallet out and starts flipping through pictures and they start reminiscing.
"This is my oldest son, he’s a martyr."
"This is my second son. He is a martyr also."
After a pause and a deep sigh, the second Arab says wistfully,
"They blow up so fast, don’t they?"
Dear brothers Ibn Kammuna &
Dear brothers Ibn Kammuna & Ali Sina
I am presenting 2 more videos concerning IRAN.First one is the letter written by the Persian King to the calipha after his defeat.You can feel the Kings anguish in his words. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daDZyBSlicQ&feature=PlayList&p=D41FDDFDC6... The second video is comparing an islamic Iran to a SECULAR IRAN.This video is disturbing especially where a teenage boy is hung & he goes smiling,yes smiling.This reminds me of the story of Shahed BHAGAT SINGH.It brought tears to m eyes.The caption was apt,this boy could be your son,brother,etc.Truly islam is a bustard religion.I THINK THERE NO WORDS IN THE HUMAN VOCABULARY TO DESCRIBE islam http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-FMfTpeRD4&feature=PlayList&p=D41FDDFDC6...
)Q: In Iraq, Why don’t they
)Q: In Iraq, Why don’t they teach driver’s education and sex education
on the same day?
A: Its just too hard for the camels !!!!
Q/Why are camels called the ships of the desert.
A/Because they are full of Arabian semen.
What do you call an arab standing between two buildings?
Ali!
What do you call a pretty Paki?
Asif!
Why is the Afghan air force so easy to train?
You only have to teach them how to take off!
Why aren't there any Wal*Marts in Afghanistan?
Because there's a Target on every corner!
What do you call a piece of sandpaper in Afghanistan?
A map!
Failed Afghan recruitment slogans:
Be Allah you can be!
Martyrs have more fun!
Free camoflage turbans! Sign up today!
Uncle oSAMa wants you!
What do you call a guy with his hand up a camels ass?
An Afghani mechanic!
Whats one arab on the moon?
problem
10 arabs on the moon?
problem
100 arabs on the moon?
large problem
1000 arabs on the moon?
big big problem
1000000 arabs on the moon?
massive problem
all the arabs on the moon?
Problem solved!
Frankly speaking the Iranians
Frankly speaking the Iranians and Iraqis are the best moslems I have come across. In Sodi Barbaria, people from Jeddah and mekkah region are fairly decent as well.SOme moslems in Damam and daharan area and in Bahrain. The worst lot are sodis in Riyadh and sh1t of the universe are from Buraidah! This is a real sh1t hole of a place where even sodis are scared.that's the true nature of thei evil islam.
Worst Moslems in the order ( duplicity, stupidity, idiocy)
Egyptians.
Palestanians
Pakis
Binglys
North Indian Moslems.
Moslems from malayasia
African moslems( particularly the ethiopians)
Sodis
Kuwaitis
Jordanians
South Indian Moslems
Turkish
Indonesians
Srilankan moslems.
This has been my exposure to this disease of islamic followers!
An old Arab lived close to
An old Arab lived close to New York City for more than 40
years. He would have loved to plant potatoes in his garden, but
he is alone, old and weak. His son is in college in Paris, so the
old man sends him an e-mail. He explains the problem:
"Beloved son, I am very sad, because I can't plant potatoes in
my garden. I am sure, if only you were here, you would help and
dig up the garden for me.
I love you,
Your Father"
The following day, the old man receives a response e-mail from
his son:
"Beloved Father,
Please don't touch the garden. It's there that I have hidden 'the
THING'.
I love you, too,
Ahmed"
At 4pm the US Army, The Marines, the FBI, the CIA and the
Rangers visit the house of the old man, take the whole garden
apart, search every inch, but can't find anything. Disappointed
they leave the house.
A day later, the old man receives another e-mail from his son.
"Beloved Father,
I hope the garden is dug up by now and you can plant your
potatoes.
That's all I could do for you from here.
I love you,
Ahmed."
Reject Islam = world peace
Reject Islam = world peace
#11 jokes were funny!
#11 jokes were funny!
Halalpork786 wrote: You are
Halalpork786 wrote:
You are proud as you are Christian : I just love , so does it matter what I love as long as I am in Love? Ha Ha Ha
Have fun Halal.
#4, so bashing Christianity
#4, so bashing Christianity and trying to make it worse than islam is helpful?
All those points you make might be something an individual, or some individuals, have done - not entering some other denomination's Church. But there is no decree in the Catholic Church to do, or not do, such a thing. If there is - show me.
And even if there is - I don't recall any of those same people trying to kill the others from other Churches.
And I know as an individual I wouldn't enter into a mosque because I find the thought of doing so a very disgusting thing to do. To legitimize their deceiving death cult is not my idea of a neat thing to do.
#2, India has met the muslim
#2, India has met the muslim hordes in three major jihads. And Pakistan used to be India - and the muslims declared another jihad in late 2007. And the violence in Kashmir and India has been going on for some time.
I don't know how anyone can think the muslims will keep their word when they have not done so in any other time and/or place. Especially when they have a religion that says to break any agreement as soon as they see fit.
#16 TRUE Pakistani schools
#16 TRUE
Pakistani schools teach that lie. even though so-called educated Muslims know better they lie to spread Islam. Allah is the greatest deceiver as he said in sura 3:54 He is also the greatest schemer as he said in sura 3;54. How can an intelligent god deceive (lie) to man his creation, and scheme with inferior man. This is the reason why the 57 Islamic states in the UN want to stop us from critizing Islam. Fair is fair. The Muslims will have to destroy the Quran and the hadiths which means no Islam.
I suggest the oic just stop the crap. Too many people have freedom and can read, and do read. Too many Africans and Blacks have kbnown freedom for Islam to succeed. If the Mamluks (white Slaves) and the Black slaves (abeeds) allow the best of all mankind the Arabs to restart slavery it is their fault.
Muslims want to take over Nigeria and the Non-Muslim Nigerians said they are locked and loaded. Non-Muslims said they will fight back as never before. Black Muslims in the West, need to take a lesson from the Africans who suffered so much from Islam. Finally, Africans are fighting back. If Black Americans want to be Muslims go to Saudi Arabia or North Sudan and see how they are treated. Although Black Americans are lighter in skin color than the Sudanese Arabs, so then there will be another war. American Muslims vs African Arabs. They get a one way ticket there and don't come back. Black infidels will say and sing "Hit the road Muslim Jacks, and don't come back-- no mo, no mo, no mo. Hit the road Muslim Jacks, and don't come back no mooooo0000000000000.
If Muslims convert to
If Muslims convert to Christinity in Islamic nations it is a good sign because Muhammad was an evil man and we can see that from Quran. However, if these neo-converts start despising other religions, then they are as bad as they were before. In South Korea and Thailand, scores of Buddhist temples are attacked and destroyed by these neo-Christians. Many apologists will say 'Jesus did not preach that but some miscreants are doing it'. Hey, the end result is that they think they are favouring these pagans by harvesting their souls by hook or crook. Yeah, they want to save them from HELL-FIRE!! North East India was converted by force in the last 30 yrs. Recently, Sri Lankan government brought in strict anti-conversion laws against forceful conversions. Christians should not treat other religions with despise. If some Christians are already thinking that I might be consumed in hell-fire on the judgement day for uttering this, then they are as good as Muslims.
To Krishna: thank you brother
To Krishna: thank you brother for the vidoes. I watched the first one. Great. I even may ask FFI to have it posted. We are really still fighting the same fight that this great king fought and lost.
To: Wagamama: In all honesty, do you think the teaching of Jesus are similar to the teachings of Muhammad? I am sure you know better. Now, Christians, throughout history proved to be a bloody bunch too, but not because of their "Qur'an", so to speak. Jesus was a completely pacifist person. He lived what he taught. The Christians you are talking about are really not practicing their faith when they do what you mentioned. You can take what I am telling you here to the bank. This is the honest truth. The problem with Islam is that such evil actions are prompted by the teachings of the religion itself, and by Muhammad. In short, the difference between Christianity and Islam is like day and night. Thanks for your comment brother/sister.
Krishna, one more thing, I
Krishna, one more thing, I could not bring myself to watch the second video brother. it is sickening, and I have a weak heart brother. Hearing about Islamic horrors like that is enough for me. I don't need to see it. May the God of this universe, and every atom in this universe curse Muhammad till the cows come home because of what he did to humanity.
thanks brother
Christians and moscums are
Christians and moscums are the two sides of the same coin of EVIL.Period.
If the christians are presenting a farce peaceful face, they are simply cunning.It took 500 years for christianity to apologise to Galileo about the stupidity of christianity.Sun still does not go round the earth no matter what the divine christ thought and taught.
Moscums are evil to the core.Only people who do not believe in any thing that pedo rapist has vomited out are decent human beings.The rest are garbage.
They both think that they have the truth and so despise the people who do not accept Jesus or the rapist.I can at least give it to jesus,he did not screw a 6 year old child.
Ibn Kammuna, I know there is
Ibn Kammuna, I know there is a sea of difference between the characters of Jesus and Muhammad. Tell me, why the neo-converts from Christianity, especially in the subcontinent, involve in destroying others' places of worship. For example, the once peaceful Buddhists in Korea and Thailand, when they convert to Christianity they resort to destroying the idols of Buddha and pagodas. It doesn't happen in western countries. Why does that happen in Asia and Pacific countries? In India too, many neo-converts have taken away idols (we call them deities) from temples and destroyed them. We Hindus and Buddhists still remember the dark days of history when Muhammad Ghazni, Ghori, Tughlaq, Timurlain, Babar, and Aurangzeb destroyed innumerable temples and deities. My honest questions to you-- a researcher/scholar-- are
1. What makes these neo-converts to destroy the places of worship of others?
2. When Christians and Muslims have done it in the past, then there must be some teachings that encourage them to do so. Please don't put before me the sorry figure of Jesus to explain away things.
My initial research into this (Quran and Old testament) confirms that idols are to be detested and destroyed by Muslims and Christians at any cost. Christians use OT to do stupid things and later bring in the sorry-state figure of Jesus to console you. This won't run forever.
I think we should have more
I think we should have more article like this. We need to continue to brain wash the muslim that is them that are going to hell if they continue to support this cult. I think this will help to make sense into and them make them think twice before commiting to a cult like this. This is where Pascal's Wager suggestion is defeated here. To Pascal's Wager you will not loose much if you believe in god. I think you will lose a lot if you commit to a wrong god. You may be condemned to the worst hell it will ever exist if it is true.
Wagamama, brother I wish I
Wagamama,
brother I wish I have answers to everything. I don't. I grew up in the middle east and not east Asia, and this is probably part of why I do not understand why Christians, say in north east India are violent and give Christianity a bad name. I really have no answers. I suspect what makes any group of people in addition to religion is cultural values, political struggles, ethnicity..etc. I can tell you this though: in my view, Christianity can be seen most vivid in the first 4 gospels of the new testament. this is what Jesus taught and lived. I am not writing here to defend Christianity by any means. All I am saying is that Jesus, the supposed leader of the Christians, was a pacifist. In one of his writings, Ali Sina describes Jesus as "Pacifist to a Fault". This is actually accurate. The man believed in forgiveness no matter what.
Incidently, Allahmeralauda is using my lack of knowledge of his language to call me names. I have no hard feeling toward you brother/sister. I just do not know why you are trying to insult a person when you even don't know that person. By the way, I picked my name after a Jewish person who lived in Iraq about a 1000 years ago. He had to flee his home after he wrote a book about Islam. He was smuggled in a basket. The Muslims mob, who did not even read what he wrote, came after him to kill him. He fled and stayed away from his home town until he died. What an evil religion Islam is.
Peace to all.
Ibn Kammuna, thanks for your
Ibn Kammuna, thanks for your response. I believe that Jesus lived a peaceful life. However, if you peep into history, you will find that Christianity never coexisted with other religions. It used sword to convert the Greeks, Romans, Mayans, and other pagans. However great Jesus could have been, the entire "heathen" population of a civilization cannot accept him as their "only" saviour. When there is freedom of religion in US, many born christians are turning towards other religions. This did not happen in the past in Europe and South America. Christianity ruthlessly forced the natives to accept Jesus. If Christianity is a peaceful religion, then it should have coexisted with Hellenism, paganism, Druids, Celtecs, Romans, and other religions in Europe. Sadly, Christianity first attacks the core of other religions before unleashing its wrath on the population. You might know how Portuguese Catholics created terrorism in Goa, India. Google 'Goa inquisition' and you will realize Christians were no better than Muslims.
All I say is wherever Islam and Christianity have ruled, they have decimated the native population and forced them to accept their belief or dogma that--- Jesus is the only saviour / Muhammad is the ultimate prophet of God. I might sound quite blunt here, but it is a fact. Christians are so obsessed with Jesus that they enter 'heathen' home, describe the glory of Jesus, and end up bashing the native culture as if it is fit for hell. Since you are from middle east, Christianity could be a better alternative. To be frank, the teachings of Buddha are far more superior than Jesus', but Buddhists do not shout on the top of their voice to confirm it. If the Church were not to be separated from the State in the west, then Europe would still be in Dark Ages. Why the term- separation of the CHURCH from state and why not religion from state?
My research confirms that few common teachings in Islam and Christianity make the followers of these religions lot more aggressive towards other faiths. If Islam is no.1, then definitely Christianity stands at no.2. There is no doubt about this! Trust me, I have no disrespect towards Jesus, but I abhor Muhammad a lot.
Ibn Kammuna, take your time
Ibn Kammuna, take your time and read the following article on the fraudulant conversions happening in Asia. Christians have resorted to idol worship as well-- just to convert some pagan souls. They will resort to any technique in pagan lands. I know Jesus didn't preach this!
Priest admits to idol worship in churches
Posted March 14, 2009
Indian Express
BANGALORE: In a revelation that could have widespread ramifications, Father Joseph Menengis, priest of St James Church in Mariyannapalya, Bangalore, confessed before the Justice B K Somashekara Commission of Inquiry on Wednesday that idol worship was being performed in churches to attract Hindus and convert them to Christianity.
The Commission is inquiring into the recent attacks on churches in Karnataka.
As Hindus believe in idol worship,so to attract them to Christianity, idol worship is performed in churches,� Menengis said.During cross-examination, the priest said that despite idol worship being prohibited in Bible, we have idol worship in churches.The duty of every Christian is to convert non-Christians to Christianity by any means,the priest told the commission.
St James Church was attacked by miscreants on September 21, 2008.
The church is running co-education institutions, with classes from first to eight standard. During cross-examination the priest confessed that no girl students are permitted to use kumkum, bangles and wear flowers. In our institution, we have moral science textbook.But it does not contain texts regarding Holy Bible and Jesus, the priest added. The commission has requested the priest to submit the textbook to it.
Its the fault of stupid
Its the fault of stupid hindus that they are letting the evil of christianity and islam flourish and progress amidst them.If Hindus become aggressive, then islamic and christian goons will stop the nonsense of conversion.
The rpoblem is ginorant and greedy hindus will join the secular brigade and will create havoc.
allahmera lauda wrote ibn
allahmera lauda wrote
ibn kaminay…the name krishna is a very holy name…one who enlightens ppl in some way or other and always tehre to help ppl…
mere laude, why the fuck are you calling him a Kamina? What has he done to you? Is he responsible for what the Christians are doing in India... Just bcos Indians Christians (many not all) are freaking retards does not mean that you wil shower every Christian with your shit. If you have a problem with Christians in India then go and beat the shit out of them, why are you targetting someone who has nothing to do with what Christians do in India. You have proved yourself to be a major retard time and again, my lauda.
#29 can u show me where it is
#29 can u show me where it is written in the bible. The duty of every Christian is to convert non-Christians to Christianity by any means. Those words are of his own
MATTHEW CHAPTER 7:15
MATTHEW CHAPTER 7:15 Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. 7:16 you will know them by there fruits.Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles?
It is clearly written that u
It is clearly written that u shall not worship idols,then how can u call them christians when they openly worship idols. CHRISTIANS R THOSE WHO FOLLOW CHRIST AND HIS TEACHINGS.
wagamama: First to be frank,
wagamama:
First to be frank, the old testament clearly discourages idol worship so this is probably the primary reason some christians in idol worshiping cultures like south east asians will resort to destroy idols once they become zealous in their new faith.
The key question is there any necessity for new converts to hate idol worshipers and destroy their idols? The answer is no. The OT is a detailed dealings between God and descendants of Israel which is comprise of laws, creeds and traditions that God ordered to be strictly abided by israelites. Any violation would not pass away unscathed. The worst was worshiping anything other than Yahweh which deserved nothing less than capital punishment!
The iron is if Yahweh is so much abhored with idol worshipping, why the heathens i.e non-jewish races could get away with idol worshipping without being punished? God sent so many prophets but only sent to one race consisting of few bunch of people, the israelites, to remind them of him being the only God and that idols were abominations. It did not matter how much those israelites defied his laws or became stubborn or discouraged God, God did not give up. He simply tolerated them. But why God did not show that much attention to the gentiles/heathens? These high profile God dealings with jews continued until the advent of Jesus!
At this point I want to mention that if God was that much disgusted by idol worship, he would've taught us that or sent to us prophets to teach us about it. But he ignored us and didn't care. And Paul reiterates this in Acts 17:30 "Though God has overlooked those times of ignorance, he now commands everyone everywhere to repent".
Wagamama brother, actually those violent christian converts in south asia are likely to be motivated by the zealotry associated with the early stages of the new faith coupled with the obvious lack of knowledge of christian scriptures. Otherwise they would have known that God is not that much abhored with idol worshiping. I'm also frustrated by experienced christian leaders of south asia, cant they help their people to respect others?
#27. Ibn Kammuna
#27. Ibn Kammuna Says:
""Incidently, Allahmeralauda is using my lack of knowledge of his language to call me names.""
Then how do you know Lauda is calling you Names? If you have no knowledge of Lauda's Language?
#31. ibrahim Says:
""mere laude, why the xxxx are you calling him a Kamina? ""
Now why should you react to any kind of profanity when you can just ignore such sh!t?
Your reaction proves ,profanity is also part of your real self, just scratch a little and your real self surfaces. Ha Ha Ha . Same as Kamunna.
Pseudo Moralists. Ha Ha Ha
I have been visiting this
I have been visiting this website for a while and I find the language used in forum very uncivilized. Seems like people in these forums believe that Muslims are not humans. Some people even curse Allah which just means God to Muslims. People here claim to love humanity but all I find here is just extreme hatred fand scorn for Muslims.
#37. peace_lover
#37. peace_lover Says:
""---all I find here is just extreme hatred fand scorn for Muslims.---""
You mean to say Allah Dalla( Pimp) is a Muslim?
If some one curses Allah Dalla , he is cursing the whole of Muslim brotherhood?
Are you a ". peace_lover " or a pedophile MoHamMad lover baby?
Muslim pigs ( believers of pedo-Mo ) have no right to talk about languages " Uncivilized or Civilized "as Muslim pigs ( believers of pedo-Mo ) have nothing to do with civilization as those inhuman cretins are responsible for destruction of many a beautiful Civilizations in the past and the present.
If Muslims dont have right to
If Muslims dont have right to talk about language then Christians and Jews also dont have it. There isnt much difference between the Old testament, Koran and Torah. But most of the people in this forum dont use uncivilized language against Jews or Christians. All there hatred is directed towards Muslims.
Yes the language used in this
Yes the language used in this forum is fairly uncivilized but so does allah, muhammad and the quran. All three are filthy and extremely violent, dangerous and totaly uncivilized. And yeah you are right to say allah means god to muslims...of course a god which allows pedophillic behaviours.
Be careful proudchristian.
Be careful proudchristian. Seems like you forget the word of lord. Let me remind you:
" You have heard that it was said, "Love yout neighbour and hate your enemy", But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who prosecute you.
Matthew 5 :43
You call yourself proudchristian and you use foul language against your fellow humans ? You don't even follow what christ preached.
Peacelover, if you cannot see
Peacelover, if you cannot see the difference between OT and quran, you will see it by looking at the fruits that what these books produces. The quran produces hypocrites, terrorists, pedophiles, dictators, unstable governments, violation of basic human rights, extreme ignorance, poverty, burqa, familly dismanagement, polygamy, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Iran....satisfied?
You will know them by their fruits!
Peacelover but the bible is
Peacelover but the bible is corrupted. How do you know that is the word of lord?
peace_lover show me one
peace_lover show me one country where muslims have not created a hell in the name of allah.
Christians have done
Christians have done horrendous things too. Dont make me list the disgusting things that people belonging to Christianity have done. However we don't need to fret about the past . I do recognize that there is a problem with Muslim world. However insulting them and using foul language is not the way to deal with it.
proudchrstian you believe
proudchrstian you believe Bible is corrupted ? Thats interesting. R u really a christian ? Anyways, so in order to justify cursing Muslims you are claiming that bible is corrupted.. Well people have changed religious beliefs in the past according to their convenience , so i m not surprised.
peacelover, the christians
peacelover, the christians reformed. Let' me know if the muslim world can be reformed and how.
Actually I thought you are a muslim and that is always my response when a muslim picks any bible verse to prove his point. If you are not a muslim you are one of those leftist buffoons condoning islamoterrorism and justifying everything they do in the name of cultural relativism.
#39. peace_lover Says: ===If
#39. peace_lover Says:
===If Muslims dont have right to talk about language then Christians and Jews also dont have it. There isnt much difference between the Old testament, Koran and Torah.==
You are right to the extent that "" Christians and Jews also dont have it"" But when I said Muslim I meant "believer of Pedo-Mo" and not the by birth innocent human beings who are forced to become Muslims by their parents or the billy goat Mullahs.
Believers like Muslims, Christians and Jews: they are all the same wine with different labels.
Dear Peacelover and hate
Dear Peacelover and hate giver
Moslems have given the nonmoslems nothing but hatred and disturbance in the name of the pedophile rapist and allahmeralauda. Can you give one good act done by moslems to non moslems ( Indians in particular) to make us all believe that yes islam is a peaceful religion?
I can give you thousands of evil acts perpetrated by the uncouth,uncivilised, brutal, barbaric, criminal, polygamist, rapist moslems on kafirs and all Iam asking you is give one decent act done by moslems to kafirs.
That's the reason no body likes Allahmeralauda, rapist mohammad and the evil moslems. Do you understand why there are so many people hating the evil foot soldiers of allahmeralauda?
Dear peace lover,
Dear peace lover,
If you are a muslim,then the name is not apt.I read your arguments with brother proud christian who mentioned that the bible is corrupted.do you have the guts to say the koran is corrupted or imperfect.What makes you think muslims are perfect & superior?
When you convert a nonmuslim,you ask him to give up his culture,religion & blood relatives if so required.That is you ask him to forget the past.HIS MENTAL & PHYSICAL WORLD IS WIPED CLEAN.Why cannot the muslim world (ulema) forget the past of their caliphate & stop hallucinating about creating a new world wide caliphate.I am using islamic logic for this.
Hinduism is the oldest longest lasting religion on the planet.It is not here, only because of the greatness of the religion,but also due to the abrahamic religions, especially islam & to a certain extent Christianity.You guys have effectively wiped out other different belief systems & religions. Many years back, i read a lot of Christians blaming their religion for creating so much of strife & anarchy in different parts of the world. In a world sense i never understood the statements,now i understand.My Pranam,salam & blessings to these correct thinking humans who were born as Christians in this world. The mainline churches have behaved & given yeoman service to my Indian brothers in remote areas,with some amount of conversions which is acceptable. But dear Christians of the free west,it is not the same with fringe elements or evangelicals who have run amok in India. RIGHT THINKING CHRISTIANS OF THE FREE WEST SHOULD REIN IN THESE ELEMENTS WHO ARE, AS BAD,AS VOLATILE,AS MUSLIMS.
NOW COMING TO THE MUSLIMS WHAT HAVE YOU CONTRIBUTED TO THE INDIAN NATION OR AT LEAST TO THE INDIAN SOCIETY. THAT S THE ANSWER FOR THE UNCIVILIZED LANGUAGE USED FOR ISLAM & MUSLIMS, BY INDIANS IN GENERAL & HINDUS IN PARTICULAR.
IF ALI SINA STARTS A HINDU BASHING WEB SITE, I WILL BE THE FIRST PERSON ON THE FORUM.HINDUISM REQUIRES IT.WE HAVE GATHERED PLENTY OF MOSS OVER THE MILLENNIUM, WE NEED TO CLEAR IT. THAT AGAIN IS THE BEAUTY OF HINDUISM, WE REFORM & MOLD TO CRITICISM. SO DEAR TRY TO IMBIBE SOME GOOD QUALITIES FROM HINDUISM & YET BE A MUSLIM.
BECAUSE HINDUISM IS LESS OF A RELIGION & MORE, A WAY OF LIFE.
GROW UP & TRY TO REFORM & STILL BE A MUSLIM. TAKE CARE.
Dumbo proud Kafir One thing
Dumbo proud Kafir
One thing muslims hammered home to Indians is how fragmented Indians were.
Secondly, there was no country like India, up untill muslims made this to be realized. You should be thankful, but moron, you appear to be deluded there.
Actually, guys like you are uncouth and uncivilized, muslims gave you a lot of tehzeeb to build on, if your somnambulist self knows what it really means.
If it was brutal, rest assured you needed it for your own good.
See, you still feel proud as a kafir, you moron!!
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