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PDF versionThis is a continuation of an email correspondence with a good Muslim from Canada. Here are links to the previously published parts of this email sequence:
Part I - Ali Sina is an Evil Against Truth
Part II - Ali Sina is an Evil Against Truth
Part III - Ali Sina is an Evil Against Truth
Part IV - Muhammad's Unlettered Eloquence
Here is the last email from this gentleman
ALI SINA AND HIS ARMY AGAINST ISLAM.......CANNOT WIPE IMPRESSION
OF A GREAT PROPHAT MOHAMMED
IN PEOPLES MIND OF ALL TIMES.....
ENCYCLOPEDIA BRITANNICA:
"....a mass of details in the early sources show that he was an honest and upright man who had gained the respect and loyalty of others who were like-wise honest and upright men." (Vol. 12)
Micheal H. Hart in his book on ratings of men
who contributed towards the benefit and upliftment of mankind writes:
"My choice of Muhammad to lead the list of the world's most influential persons may surprise some readers and may be questioned by others, but he was the only man in history who was supremely successful on both the religious and secular levels."
(Source: M.H. Hart, THE 100: A RANKING OF THE MOST INFLUENTIAL PERSONS IN HISTORY, New York, 1978, p. 33)
GEORGE BERNARD SHAW:
George Bernard Shaw said about MOHAMMED
"He must be called the Savior of Humanity. I believe that if a man like him were to assume the dictatorship of the modern world, he would succeed in solving its problems in a way that would bring it much needed peace and happiness."
(Source: THE GENUINE ISLAM, Singapore, Vol. 1, No. 8, 1936)
Lamartine, the renowned historian:
Philosopher, orator, apostle, legislator, warrior, conqueror of ideas, restorer of rational dogmas, of a cult without images, the founder of twenty terrestrial empires and of one spiritual empire, that is MUHAMMAD.
Source: Lamartine, HISTOIRE DE LA TURQUIE, Paris, 1854, Vol. II, pp 276-277)
The world has had its share of great personalities. But these were one-sided figures who distinguished themselves in but one or two fields, such as religious thought or military leadership. The lives and teachings of these great personalities of the world are shrouded in the mist of time. There is so much speculation about the time and place of their birth, the mode and style of their life, the nature and detail of their teachings and the degree and measure of their success or failure that it is impossible for humanity to reconstruct accurately the lives and teachings of these men.
Muhammad (pbuh) accomplished so much in such diverse fields of human thought and behavior in the fullest blaze of human history.
The world has had its share of great personalities. But these were one-sided figures who distinguished themselves in but one or two fields, such as religious thought or military leadership. The lives and teachings of these great personalities of the world are shrouded in the mist of time. There is so much speculation about the time and place of their birth, the mode and style of their life, the nature and detail of their teachings and the degree and measure of their success or failure that it is impossible for humanity to reconstruct accurately the lives and teachings of these men.
Muhammad (pbuh) accomplished so much in such diverse fields of human thought and behavior in the fullest blaze of human history.
Editor's Note: This good Muslim used many other known names who said that Muhammad was a good guy. I decided to omit that to save space.
Here is the editor's response to this person:
Dear O. F. K
Your email shows that you did not do your homework. We asked you to do read topics in the Koran, Hadith and Sirat before discussing things with us. What did you do? you sent us an email with two logical fallacies:
1. The idea that Muhammad is an honest person has not been proven. In fact, FFI's challenge prove that Muhammad was not an honest person at all. Here is just one example:The Hudaibiyah treaty was supposed to last ten years. Muhammad broke it in two years. Please read our challenge and you'll see multiplicity of quotes from reliable Islamic sources showing that Muhammad was a thief, liar, selfish, ..etc. Your last email shows that you assume that Muhammad is an honest person. You will need to prove that first. We have multiplicity of evidence to the contrary.
2. The second fallacy you commit is the appeal to authority. The people you mention are authorities in other areas of expertise. They are not an authority on Muhammad.
Allow me to repeat myself here. I asked you previously to read our challenge and show us the errors of our way of thinking. If you can't do that, there is no sense in continuing this correspondence with you. Show us that we are wrong in believing that Muhammad is a pedophile. Show us that we are wrong in believing that Muhammad was a rapist. Go to the challenge. read any of our claims. Read the trail of evidence about Muhammad. Then come back and tell us we are wrong.
If you do not do that, I will not respond to your emails anymore. it will be a waste of my time.
Editor
Finally, this editor decided not to continue correspondence with this person. He did not respond to any of the points we raised with him. He just keeps saying how wonderful and truthful the Koran is. Here is a part of the last email we received from him:
Ali sina is a fatal enemy of all religions....a threat against democracy.Ali sina and his partner....R.dawkins has a joint mission to wipe out faith of God in humen psyche...Evolution is the root cause of this psycosis....democracy allows muslim, christians, jews and all peoples togather....Ali sina and his army trying to break that
harmony......Ali sina has no right to live in any democratic country...Ali sina..a fatal threat against democracy.
Democracy is in itself a
Democracy is in itself a flawed system, though we do not have any thing better as yet. For want of anyt hing better or simpler or more inclusive, we have to accept democracy in it's present form.Monarchy,oligarchy, dictatorhip, nazism, fascism, communism, socialism all have been tried and found to be useless.
Islam has been proved to be beyond repair system and stupid and evil.. I do not know how this gentleman says ALi sina is against democracy? If at all, it the evil islam that is against all systems.There is some space for the vile, virulent, evil, cruel, putrid, rancid, stinking islam and it's followers as well in democracy.That I believe is the fault of democracy. Piss,pus. putrid meat of pig be upon mohammad and pimp allah
Well.... Just one question:
Well....
Just one question: (might be "out-of-context" but bear with me)
Did Muhammed have illegal sex with the slave-servant Mariya (a coptic christian of egyptian origin) in one of his wife Hafsa's house, that too by sending her out by telling a lie that her father was looking for her.
Any honest and truthful person like 'The Truth' or 'London Spirit' or whoever, kindly reply honestly and truthfully to this question please..
If the answer to this question is "YES", then any sane person can simply lay aside the claim of Muslims that Muhammed is a Prophet of God (leave aside whether 'God' and 'Allah' is same)
Prophets surely will not practise illegal sex!
Gentle
Gentle Thinker
looooooooooooooool The Lying Prophet. He told his wife that her father wanted her and when she left he had her slave girl named Mary the Coptic slave, who was white in complexion and with long curly hair. Her father was a Greek man and mother was a white Egyptian called a Berber. Muhammad love white lol
Black Muslims are told she was Egyptian and most of them are so dumb they think Egyptians were Nubians black. Nubians blacks were theugly, nappy (raisin) headed, pug nosed abeds Muhammad made fun of from East Africa (Sudanese) After all of those young slaves he got the slave pregnant, but it was said that the child belonged to an Egyptian slave boy. Po Mo.
The nice exciting story with
The nice exciting story with nice illustration has been written up by Cooper kid and look it up inarchives of FFI
Sorry about the coptic maid
Sorry about the coptic maid screwing by mohammad and the lyi ng
Gentle thinker. londonspirit
Gentle thinker.
londonspirit is busy on the one billion dollar thread saying his god is incomprehensible to humans, as a result, we all should just worship, issues like the one you raised are what determines the veracity of claims, talk is cheap, but actions leave a definite impressions, just like you mentioned, if it walks like duck, quacks like a duck, it most..... you guessed it, Mohammed was was an insatiable libertine.
The guy that sent those e-mails failed to think just a little, their mullahs always tell them "god is the all-knower and his ways are not to be understood by humans" they just compartmentalize knowledge, in the quran, under the chapter of "Thunder" Allah made it clear that the thunderous sounds we hear when clouds formed are angels voices, but there is a serious disconnect between this and what science says, according to science, that sound is caused by the impact electrical discharges in the clouds, this could easily be simulated repeatedly, yet a god that says this is supposed to be feared and all discerning questions are prohibited, all those "god's ways are not our ways " are what defines cultic mentalities, anyone who is obseessed with a rebranded version of early humans' misjudgements of the universe by attributing it a new air of importance or respectability is no more intelligent than the billions of unquestioning devotees that follow any other scripture or god version through out the recorded history.
Raisin Head you had suggested
Raisin Head
you had suggested a brand new title "The Lying Prophet" lol, very nice!! btw, you had managed to get your nick into your words loooool.. (dont mistake, just kiddin')
Busted Divinity
yes, you are right.. and I like to share with you another substantial error exclaimed by the Imams in Friday sermons about allah very emotionally that during Fajr prayers (early morning), allah and a group of angels will be coming down to the first heaven to listen the chantings of pious people who wake up early for His sake!
during this scientific era, even an educated Muslim nods his head to this, what a wishful zombie-ness? if the above imagination was the case, it will be Fajr time for any single nation at any given time and that means allah and his group should always be down in the first heaven... what a pity that the ordinary Muslim is not even ready to realise this absurdity??
Flat Earth concept!!!
Gentle thinker. Yeah, they
Gentle thinker.
Yeah, they hardly think at all, from the seven firmaments and thier bursting open on the DAY, one could see the concept of a roofed earth, any heaven that could burst open like holes in the sky must be a roofed one, this is exactly what the quran says, just like you said, it is a flat earth thought to think of angels coming down to some level, even if they argue that it means the angels will come down at whatever country's local time, the statement that the "the angels will come down" renders it flat-earth chauvinistic, the angels will have to be almost permanently down because of the different time zones, the statement could have been more credible if it says, "the angels will be going from country to country at all time of the day due to the difference in fajr time to answer those prayers" there are twenty four time zones with difference of one hour, this means the angels will have to be on those low levels 24/7/365, if we include the Newfound land which has its own time zone of half hour the angels really don't need to go back to the highest heaven.
I wonder what will be the
I wonder what will be the alcohol content of 'Ar-raheeq al-makhtoom' (Quran 83:25). what do you think buddies... proudkafir especially.. like to know your comments in your way of qranding!! l-o-l
The Thruth said mohammad
The Thruth said mohammad married aisha with her parents approval so its not a paedophile.Is he truly support his statement?Mo propose to their parents?Would you say "NO" to gods messenger?or should i say DARE to say 'no' to someone who had kill,torture,loot and rape people?once again you thought we are aisha's friend.The 'Thruth' must be true to himself.You are so much influence by mo.You can be the next messenger.Do you have any of these symtoms?seeing images,voices inside your head,fond of little girls,feel like to be alone in a cave?high libido?If yes then its a clear sign you are getting messages.
Here is a new book by zakir naik called "HOW TO KEEP ERECTION FOREVER.This is a survival handbook for all the muslims when they face the virgins in paradise.Dr.zakir naik watched 500 porn CDs and masturbated 743 times for research purpose.Other books used as a reference are albert einstein's 'theory of relativity'.Please get this book at your nearest store cos you will never know when you will die.
GentleThinker, The wine that
GentleThinker,
The wine that will be given in paradise will be like an apetizer. But that will be apetizer for sex, after drinking that wine Muslims will enjoy feedback from Ghalmans then they will transmit that energy to billions of years old virgin hoors.
*Carl Jung (1939) "We do not
*Carl Jung (1939)
"We do not know whether Hitler is going to found a new Islam.He is already on the way;he is like Muhammad.The emotion in Germany is Islamic;warlike & Islamic.They are all drunk with wild god.That could be the historic future."
http://forums.contracostatimes.com
*Albert Speer (Hitler's Minister of War Production)
He reported Hitler saying;"The Mohammedan religion would have been much more compatible to the Germans than Christianity.Why did it have to be Christianity with it's meekness & flabbiness?"
I'm not going to bore anyone with all of Hitler's praises for Muhammad & Islam,but here's an interesting ahadith on Muhammad & his solution for violence.
Sahih Bukhari (Vol.3, book 46, no.734)
Narrated Abu Huaira:
"The Prophet said,"If somebody fights (or beats somebody) then he should avoid the face."
Hitler praised Islam even
Hitler praised Islam even though Muslims love to point out how he was Christian.
"Hitler expressed admiration for the Muslim military tradition and directed Himmler to initiate Muslim SS Divisions as a matter of policy.[319] According to one confidant, Hitler stated in private, "The Mohammedan religion too would have been much more compatible to us than Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness ..."[320]"
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler#Religious_beliefs)
Obviously, this man supports
Obviously, this man supports dictatorship. He quotes GBS who admires Mohammad as a dictator.
All autocratic regimes have this feature of quick justice and instant solution to problems. Since suppression and oppression are the tools of such regimes, they appear to be better than democracy. People have no rights.
Mohammad uses allah to assert his authority.
Prove me wrong, OFK.
Gentle Thinker, "Prophets
Gentle Thinker,
"Prophets surely will not practise illegal sex!"
Not anymore. allah made that legal as soon as pedo mo's finished with her. Muslim are slaves of allah which means they listen and obey to the stronger entity. Power is everything, a slave listen to his/her master without questioning anything.
Gentle Thinker, good
Gentle Thinker, good spot.
"allah very emotionally that during Fajr prayers (early morning)"
Wow, a god has emotion. Must be daily period.
"allah and a group of angels will be coming down to the first heaven to listen the chantings of pious people who wake up early for His sake!"
This is very odd. Down from where? Where is the up/right/left/down side? earth is round and the universe cannot be explained or limited by mere up or down. Second, allah and his angels must have ears because they have a limited capabilities to hear the chanting, if not why they would come down in the first place?
Muhammad had no divineness.
Muhammad had no divineness. He had lacked spirit to connect to God and talk to him. In fact he had lacked GOD. He just wanted to create religion for his gains and for the sake of founding a religion and he had hatred for neighbouring jews and christians and by founding a religion he thought he could teach jews and christians a lesson. Most of arabs at that time were illiterate and he took unfair advantage of that and copied and twisted stories of bible into quran.
muhammad was just another mortal being having no divineness
Those people who showered Mo
Those people who showered Mo with all those compliments were mostly atheists who had a bone to pick with their churches. If those people truly believed in him why had they not embraced his so-called "religion"?
So the psycopath Mohammed had
So the psycopath Mohammed had some Western admirers,so what?How many of those converted to Islam? Intelligent people can be remarkably stupid sometimes,Hitler,Mao ,Stalin and Pol Pot were all admired by some ignorant "Intellectuals" who should have known better,they were in love witlh the idea, not the indivdual. I suspect that many Moslems really worship Mohammed,not Allah.
Gee thanks folks. Iam happy
Gee thanks folks. Iam happy that at the least I was able to make a few people smile with my words and am also a bit worried that quite few moslems visiting the site might all get their rear orifices taut!
Be that as it may
I have a few bones to pick with moslems ( and these bones are of mohammad's please)
Say angels do come down to first heaven to hear the peopl chanting the name of allah the pimp, then it means that the first heaven should be with in the reach of atmosphere as the sound has to have a medium to travel.Unlike the light, sound can not travel in space that has no air or particles to carry the sound waves.Beyond the earth's atmosphere there is absolute silence! How ever much the moslem cretins amplify the allah the pimp hu puncher , the sound disturbs the non moslim neighbours but the pimp allah does not get to hear the sound at all! May be just may be that is reason allah is not helping the decripit moslems?
The wine in heaven called mohammad whinges and wines!
Allahu akbar arrack
ayesha takila( taqiyya)
Fatima fenny( fanny!)
Ali's beer
mariya's revenge ( whisky in camel piss)
Proudkafir, You are opposing
Proudkafir,
You are opposing Islam without any solid arguments. Tell me which religion can offer so much for its followers. In paradise you will not only have 72 virgin hoors of billions of years old but u would also be capable to cop with their erotic demands and satisfy them in a single session. How? The 28 Ghalmans (cute pipers) would act as energy-boosters for you. Allah is really merciful, just think on these lines and be prepared to enjoy afterlife. I am seriously thinking to revert to Islam. If we both convince all the members of FFI including Ali Sina the Great, we would all enjoy paradise. We can offer Ali Sina that every member of FFI would sacrifice his one hoor for him so the Great Ali Sina will be having thousands of hoors. We will submit an application before Allah for reserving a particular place there in paradise for us (FFI members). There we will discuss intellectual topics and enjoy with Hoors and Energy-boosters. What you say. How is my Idea?
The sender of this letter,
The sender of this letter, the good muslim in Canada, is confusing the Islamic DOCTRINES as written in the Qur'an and the Hadiths with OPINIONS from different sources.
Opinions do not and can not be considered as having any value what so ever. Who cares what Micheal Hart or others this good Canadian muslim named and quoted said. Who are these people ?
There are even people today who think that Charles Manson was a prophet and such a remarkable person. What shall we say as to such opinions?
Anita Dunn, president Obama's communications and media advisor, attacked the FOXNEWS only 2 days ago of dishonesty in the reporting of news. This was her judgement and opinion. And yet in a recent lecture she praised Mao Tse Tung as one of 2 people she admired most in her life. Now, it is well documented that Chairman Mao murdered 70 million Chinese, his own country folks. Should we now say that Mao was one of the most wonderful politician whom we should emulate and follow just because Anita Dunn's OPINION said so ?
http://news.google.com/news?client=safari&rls=en&q=anita+dunn+mao+tse+tu...
Hitler murdered 6 million Jews and caused the death of millions others, yet there are many even today who admire him and follow him. They have good OPINION of him.
Castro had men, pregnant women, children shot in the back as they were trying to leave Cuba by boat, as well as murdering millions of the opposition. After our members of the Congressional Black Caucus visited him recently they came back singing his praises. Another high OPINION of a murderer.
Muhammad, by all accounts recorded in Qur'an ( Allah's own words !! ) and the Hadiths, as recorded by the 2 most diligent and respected Islamic scholars, Bukhari and Al-Muslim, was a man as described by Ali Sina in the " Challenge " section of the FFI's main web page.
What ever others say, what ever their sources, if it is not from the Qur'an and Hadiths, it is not worth the paper it is written on and should be ignored .
A point with regard to the
A point with regard to the Muslim SS regiments.
A book has been published on this. I saw and read part of it when I was visiting a Moslem household some years ago, which is why I cannot recall the title etc.
Can anyone help?
What stuck in my mind was that all the pictures I saw showed the SS troops with the "Tottenkopf" (death's head) badging.
What is significant about this is that the "Tottenkopf" brigades were the concentration camp guards etc.
So these weren't fighting men (other wise they'd have been "Waffen" SS), but Jew-killers etc.
Parvez says: "The sender of
Parvez says:
"The sender of this letter, the good muslim in Canada, is confusing the Islamic DOCTRINES as written in the Qur’an and the Hadiths with OPINIONS from different sources.
Opinions do not and can not be considered as having any value what so ever. Who cares what Micheal Hart or others this good Canadian muslim named and quoted said. Who are these people ?
There are even people today who think that Charles Manson was a prophet and such a remarkable person. What shall we say as to such opinions?"
That is correct, opinions dont generally matter. "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder" A few people have a good opinion of Islam, many have a bad opinion, so which one is correct? You need to make up your own mind.
In my opinion a religion such as Islam that kills on a daily basis cannot be peaceful. Period.
A religion like Buddhism that peacefully minds its own business can only be peaceful.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/200
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2009/01/father-zakaria-botros-on-the-perverse-...
According to Muslim Hadiths, Muhammads pedophilic behavior was not limited to Aisha. In fact he even abused his own daughter Fatima and his grand children, Hassan and Hussain.
Father Zakaria Botros on “The perverse sexual habits of the Prophet,” Part II writes:
“No less than 20 Islamic sources—such as the hadiths of Ahmad bin Hanbal—relay that Muhammad used to suck on the tongues of boys and girls.”
Botros proceeded to read aloud from various sources, such as a hadith relayed by Abu Hurreira (deemed an extremely reliable narrator), where Muhammad sucked on the tongues of his cousin (and future caliph) Ali’s two boys, Hassan and Hussein—they of revered Shia memory.
Next he read a hadith of Muhammad sucking on the tongue of his own daughter, Fatima. Fr Botros also added that the Arabic word for “suck” (muss) cannot, as some apologists insist, mean anything but “suck.” “After all,” added the perspicacious priest, “this is the same word used when discussing Muhammad’s ‘activities’ with his wives, especially his beloved child-bride, Aisha.”
With an extremely disgusted look on his face, Botros turned towards the camera and said: “Dear lady, imagine, for a moment, coming home to find your husband sucking on your daughter’s tongue? What would you do? It’s even worse: it’s your prophet—the most “morally upright” man, a man to be emulated by the world! A man who on record used to go around sucking the tongues of his wives, his daughters, and young boys: Are these the activities of the man described in the Koran as being the pinnacle of moral perfection?”
Cohost: “More!”
“Muhammad would not sleep until he kissed his daughter Fatima and nuzzled his face in her bosom [the priest provided the appropriate sources]. Dear lady! what would you say to your husband sleeping with his face in your daughter’s breast—is that the height of morality?!”
At this point, Fr Botros, looking downcast, began apologizing profusely, saying he could only imagine how all these anecdotes must be troubling for Muslims, to which the co-host reassured him: “It’s not your fault, father, but rather the fault of those Muslims recording these vile incidences. Either way: Muslims must know. More please.”
Botros continued reading more revealing hadiths, including one from the Musnad of Ahmad bin Hanbal, which records Muhammad seeing a 2-3 year old girl in her mother’s arms. Muhammad was so “impressed” by her that he said, “By Allah, if this girl reaches marrying age and I am still alive, I will surely marry her.”
Another hadith goes on to say that Muhammad ended up dying before this particular girl reached marriage age, to which the by now vexed priest, unable to contain himself, exclaimed, “Awwww! Poor prophet! He missed one!”
Botros then told viewers to keep this last hadith in mind, for “context,” as he read another hadith from the Sunan of Bin Said, which records Muhammad saying “I hugged so-and-so when she was a child and found that I greatly desired her.”
“What prophet is this you follow?!” cried the outraged Coptic priest. “Where is his morality? This is the man that Muslims follow slavishly? Use your minds!”
It was late in the night, yet Fr Botros was not done cataloging his findings regarding the prophet’s “sexual” habits (these shows are an hour and a half long). So, when he moved on to a hadith depicting Muhammad lying next to a dead woman in her grave, as well as pointing to hadith categories called “intercourse with a dead woman,” I happily turned off the satellite and called it a night—till this moment, as I am (somewhat reluctantly) revisiting my notes to prepare this report.
The more you uncover Muhammad’s past; the more shocking it is.
Tell this guy to go and fly
Tell this guy to go and fly kites and screww spiders......
he must have read the wrong Goraan...
This person is an intelligent person who do not
wants to admit the Truth......
God made this person with a clear vision, the road
of destiny infront is clear and bright and could see
all things BUT PURPOSELY CLOSE BOTH EYES
AND BE A BLIND PERSON....
,Hey "The thruth" where are
,Hey "The thruth" where are you?designing answer?or truly getting messages?here is a offer for you.Do you want 6 year old ayesha like girl?be bold and prove logically we are wrong.Think about the the tight puxxy.Trust in allah and fight!.Mo enjoy tight puxxy,why not you!
myLORD, From the side of The
myLORD,
From the side of The Truth I answer you. Why I should attract for one single p.......y of 9 year old in this world when Jannat (paradise) is far better then that. I invite you towards true teachings of Islam. If you died as a Muslim, u will find 72 hoors of billions of years old, they will be tite virgins, you will do that male-act with them for millions of years. Your stamina would be more then the period of Evolution. When u will feel tired, 28 Energy-Boosters (Ghalman) would feed you from behind through their tasty pipes. Maybe, you would only prefer that piping on hoors. Now, what is better offer mine or yours?
Dear Brainwashed Obviuosly
Dear Brainwashed
Obviuosly your offer is better than mine.My sincere apology to you and all the muslims around the world.And thanks for the true islamic teaching.
http://tellthechildrenthetrut
http://tellthechildrenthetruth.com/
Everyone should check that site out if they haven't already.
LondonSpirit, Where are you
LondonSpirit,
Where are you dear great scholar. In fact you have proved that you are IMAM GHAZAALI of this age. Without you there is nothing worth visiting on this site.
LS as well as The Truth, are
LS as well as The Truth, are having sexual relations with little girls, or boys, thats why they haven't responded. They are too busy being pedophiles.
Mr Ali Sina et al @ FFI I
Mr Ali Sina et al @ FFI
I have a question. I don't know Arabic and have desire to learn it. I need help from Arabic -speaking people from your team who can HONESTLY translate this hadith:
Sahih Bukhari
Volume 8, Book 82, Numbering 801 onwards
I would like to make special reference to reportedly used expressions " hal nekt ha", "anketaha".
I am deliberately not writing the English words for the above-mentioned expressions to prejudice the reply.
Thanks.
Correction: I have NO desire
Correction:
I have NO desire to learn Arabic language.
Sorry for the ommission of NO.