Abu Laith vs FFI Staff

Printer-friendly versionSend to friendPDF versionFrom: Abu Laith To: faithfreedom2@gmail.com Date: Apr 2, 2006 4:13 AM Dear Moderator I would just like to mention a few points. Firstly, the debate you have between Ali Sina and Yamin Zakaria, does not have the full responses from Yamin Zakaria. It seems intellectually dishonest and almost deceitful to place partial responses of Yamin Zakaria's next to the full responses of Ali Sina. Surely if one has nothing to hide then the full responses should be placed. http://www.faithfreedom.org/debates/YaminZakariap5.htm Secondly on the page,http://www.faithfreedom.org/debates/islamicsociety.htm, it stated that rather than having an open debate in front of a live audience the moderators would rather have a written debate, I would suggest that an open debate infront of a live audience would be much easier for the audience to make up their minds. Rather than insinuations of who won a debate via an internet discussion. At least then when the challenge of 50 000 dollars or the promise of tearing down the website is made then a with the direct assessment from a live audience would be easier to make. Rather than an internet audience being the 'judge' in which various parties can claim anything via the internet. If your concerns is that a one or two hour debate on the issue of Islam is not sufficient to present the compelling arguments against Islam. Then my suggestion is that at least a live audience will be introduced to your arguments and will be introduced to the counter-rebuttals then they can freely persue whether they wish to delve further into the discussion. Most people are adverse to reading reems and reems of text. But being introduced to a discussion might incite in them the desire to read reems and reems of text. Further once the debate is over then you can download it onto a website and have as many virtual watchers observe the debate over and over again. My final point is this that after reading your site I believe you have failed to make a powerful enough case against Islam. Hence from my perspective you are proven wrong. Does this mean you will take down the website? Awaiting your response Abu Laith [color=purple] The debate contains all Mr. Zakaria's responses (twice) The dishonest is you who lie. [/color] From: Abu Laith Mailed-By: hotmail.com To: FFI Date: Apr 8, 2006 2:27 PM Subject: Re: Re: Dear Moderator The full debate is actually found on http://www.icssa.org/yameendebate.html. So you can check that version from the partial version you have on http://www.faithfreedom.org/debates/YaminZakariap5.htm. As for lying and being dishonest, you make a strange inference based on little to no evidence, is that how you normally come to conclusions? If so then does this not indicate shallow and superficial thinking? Lets look at the evidence on your site the debate ends at this final line, " Mr. Zakaria, foul mouthing is your specialty while deflating the inflated egos is my expertise. Barbara J Stock told me about your super inflated ego and the fact that you are unable to admit error. I told her I will use this weakness of yours to my advantage. I did not have to. You defeated yourself on your own. You made a stupid mistake of attacking the Golden Rule, which has nothing to do with any belief system but is the most basic human principle and the underlying tenet of all the religions. Then your super inflated ego did not let you move on. You could have said: “Okay, you did not clarify this point well at first but now that you make this clear I also agree with you and in fact Muhammad was the champion of the Golden Rule… blah, blah”. But you did not have enough wits to pull yourself out of this hole. Instead you insisted on that foolish notion and handed me the victory in a platter. To be continued…… Yamin Zakaria London , UK Oh really??? You mean you have something to say? I have to confess to you Mr. Zakaria that I enjoyed this debate quite a lot. Now I can understand how my freethinker cat feels when he catches a mouse and plays with it without killing it. You did not win the $50,000 dollars reward, but you provided a lot of entertainment for our readers. Please give me your address and I’ll send you a few dollars so you can take your wife to a dinner and be my guest. You were such a great sport and I would like to send to you my token of appreciation. Back < " Whereas the version on http://www.icssa.org/yameendebate.html continues on with further responses which I shall paste here, Yamin Responds to Sina's argument in Part-VIII Portrait of a Fanatical Freethinker .... [And then there is a very lengthy cut and paste job from icssa.org site.] [color=purple] Please see this. [url=http://www.faithfreedom.org/debates/YaminZakariaindex.htm]http://www.faithfreedom.org/debates/YaminZakariaindex.htm[/url] Ali Sina [/color]