Leaving Islam



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Jan, 17, 2002

Thank You For Creating Your Website.
Finally, The Truth Is Told About these
Sadistic, Sub Intelligent Fools.

I'm putting a link to Your Site on My Page.

If You Ever Need Anything ...
Write me and I'll do my very best to help you.

Keep The Truth Alive.

Yours Truly,
Al Afraim

 12 Jan 2002

Dear Sir,

FIrst of all i would like to congratulate you on your marvellous website. It was a real eye opener to see your testimonies section. I had no idea that people were leaving Islam. All you ever hear about is how it is the fastest growing religion in the world. I never knew about the flip side to Islam.

I was wondering you had any knowledge on how many people have left Islam. If you could maybe enlighten me or point me in the right direction i would be most grateful.

Keep up the good work.


Anil London


Dear Anil,

Thank you for your kind letter. Of course those who leave Islam do not usually announce it for very obvious reasons. But take a look at the discussions in any Iranian forum. You’ll see that more than half of the participants hate Islam. Internet is a safe place for people to announce their dissent form Islam. I can tell you with certainly that when this criminal Islamic regime ruling in Iran is toppled, Islam as a religion will also be toppled there and this will definitely influence other Islamic countries just as the Islamic revival of Iran influenced them more than two decades ago.


If you want to have a feel of what the ex-Muslims say, please join our egroup at   http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mukto-mona/


Kind regards


Ali Sina




Jan, 11, 2002

You're welcome Ali, and thanks for the invitation to join the forum.

I did join up over the last weekend, I have been reading there and at the Iranian forum you've also linked. I was very curious about your debate with Pahlavi which Nna mentioned in your readers comments section, so I read those posts last night. I agree whole heartedly with you in your responses to Mr. Pahlavi.  

Here's a recent story of him in the New Republic, a decent political magazine.


Now it's hard to think that I've only been reading your site since 11/20, I've collapsed many beliefs of mine since then. So far I've read a little more now than about half of your articles and often they would inspire a whirlwind of thought only to see that you've already been there with similar thoughts when I read the next article. Our "paths" in life are similar in that when I was 13 my parents divorced which began my fall from Catholic grace. One of my first teachers then was John Powell whom I met soon after the divorce. He is a Jesuit who also wrote "The Secret of Staying in Love." Excellent book. Gandhi is also my teacher, I remember getting chills up my spine watching the movie with Ben Kingsley. I also get the same feeling reading Martin Luther Kings speeches and so on.

I'm not a religious person today but the experience is interesting, similar to your spiritual experience you've written about. I even get shivers when I hear the last two parts of that song Free Will...Each of us...  

Anyway, I was a college freshman during the Islamic revolution and I always like to keep up with current events. Witnessing the Iran/Iraq war and listening to "freethinking" bands like Rush back then was the final pushes for me to let go of religion during my college years. Today I like to use self-hypnosis to actively direct desired changes in my self, perhaps that's all the "power of prayer" and all that stuff actually is.  

Hopefully, with yours and so many others dedication, these times will change for the better and we can discuss lighter things like Iranian films. I stand fully with you, for you're right -- it is all of our responsibility. For the grandmother, for the grandfather and the two hopeful young women pictured in those three Iranian candlelight vigils posted on your homepage and so many others. I understand that most of the work must be done from within the Muslim and ex-Muslim community, but the rest of us will stand in unity with you. It's truly remarkable what is happening in Iran today and I was deeply moved and got shivers again reading your "Slaying Islam" piece, Teacher. Yes Ali, I call you teacher.


Take care.



Jan 6. 2002

Hello Mr Sina,  

I have a question for you,  

I'm told that the black stone that is located in Mecca really a Lingam is, and that the islamic forces weren't able to destroy it. Therefore they decided to cover the Ka'aba with a black curtain.  

Is this true? and if it is were can i read about it?  

I've got another question for you.  

I'm also told that 25th of December wasn't Jesus birthday but the birthday of the homosexual god Saturn, Saturnalia. And that Jesus his real name Yoshua Ben Yozef is. Constantine turned the name of Yoshua into Jesus Christ and he decided that jesus was born on the 25th he also seperated god into  

3.  And is it true that the church believed in Reincarnation untill the year 500???  

Can you please tell we were i can find some anwsers? And were i can read about it? What books???  

Thanks for reading my mail! i hope you will find the time to anwser all my questions  

yours sincerely,  

Shashi Roopram (from Holland


Black Stone and Ka'ba

The stone worshipping was predominant is ancient Middle East. You can find traces of that even in Bible. In the story of Jacob we read that he slept with his head resting on a stone and dreamed angels descending from heaven. When he woke up “he took the stone that was under his head and set it up as a memorial. Then he poured olive oil over it to dedicate it to God. Gen: 28:18   

Of course meteorites had particularly special significance. They were stones sent from heaven. The reddish black stone in the corner of the building Ka’ba was believed to be a meteorite. But its is now believed that it could also be a lava or basalt.  

This story that you heard about indestructibility of the black stone is nonsense. This stone is already creaked in three pieces and is hold together by a silver bracing. The covering of Ka’ba is an Eastern tradition. All holy places, like tombs of important religious figures are covered by curtains. Ka’ba was covered by black curtain even before Islam.  


The Origin of Christmas 

As you may have heard in the news today (Jan 6th ) the Orthodox Christians celebrated the Christmas.  Obviously even the Christians do not agree over the date of the birth of Christ. 

In the Luke 2:8 we read: "And there were in the same country shepherds abiding in the field, keeping watch over their flock by night. 

December is the rainy season in Palestine and the weather is cold. The shepherds do not keep their flock in the fields during December but by mid October they are kept in the fold. 

The origin of this festivity is presumed to be Mithraic and about 4000 years old. Mithra was the god of light in ancient Iran. The symbol of Mithra is Sun. Iranians used this symbol in their flag for at least the last 2500 years. The period of 17th to 24th of December was the duration of this feast. The 21st of December, which is the solstice of winter, is still celebrated in Iran It is called the night of “Yalda” as it represents the victory of light over darkness, which symbolizes the triumph of good over evil. Mithraism was brought to Europe by Macedonian soldiers after the defeat of the Persians by Alexander and by the forth century AD it was the predominant religion of Europe and the main rival to Christianity. Prior to the dominance of Christianity the Romans celebrated this festivity during the 25th of Dec to 6th of January. Mithraism gained favor by the Emperor Commodus and Julian and in 307 Diocletian built a temple on the Danube River dedicated to Mithra. Mithraism spread throughout Europe from Rome to the province of Numidia in North Africa up to England and Scotland. 

But after the conversion of emperor Constantine in 313 A.D. Christianity was spread throughout the empire and Mithraism, as St. Jerome reports, was forcefully subdued especially in Rome and in Alexandria. In the forth century Pope Leo destroyed the temple of Mithra (376 A.D.). Despite that the Mithraic festivity of the birth of the Sun continued, as it was a convenient time to be merry in the middle of the winter. Even today many celebrate the Christmas although they are not Christians. It was not till the year 530 AD that the church commissioned the Monk Dionysius Exiguus to proclaim this popular festivity as the birth of Christ.  

The New Schaff-Herzog Encyclopedia of Religious Knowledge explains:

"How much the date of the festival depended upon the pagan Brumalia (December 25th) following the Saturnalia (December 17th-24th), and celebrating the shortest day of the year and the 'new sun'...cannot be accurately determined. The pagan Saturnalia and Brumalia were too deeply entrenched in popular custom to be set aside by Christian influence...The pagan festival with it's riot and merrymaking was so popular that Christians were glad of an excuse to continue its celebration with little change in spirit and in manner. Christian preachers of the West and the Near East protested against the unseemly frivolity with which Christ's birthday was celebrated, while Christians of Mesopotamia accused their western brethren of idolatry and sun worship for adopting as Christian this pagan festival"

St Augustine says " we hold this (Christmas) day Holy, not like the pagans because of the Birth of the Sun, but because of the birth of him who made it (Christmas) day Holy, not like the pagans because of the Birth of the Sun, but because of the birth of him who made it"

This clearly shows that the 25th of December was a festivity dedicated to the Birth of the Sun that was adopted by the Christians. 

Apart from Christmas, Christianity absorbed many Mithraic myths and legends like baptism, eucharists, 12 disciples, birth in a cave/stable, the presence of shepherds at the birth and resurrection.  

The midwinter was celebrated by many cultures. In Babylon it was dedicated to Queen of Heaven, in Greece it was to Dionysos and Adonis, In Rome it was a to Saturn, in England it was to the Nordic God Balder but it is the Persian myth of the birth of the solar God Mithra that is most likely the origin of Christmas.



 Reincarnation in Christianity

In the year 553 A. D., the 2nd Council of Constantinople declared reincarnation a heresy and the doctrine of reincarnation was officially banished by the Christian Church. This shows that the doctrine of reincarnation must have been infiltrated among the Christians otherwise such decree by the 2nd Council would have not been needed. 



Jan 6, 2002

Dear Mr Sina, 

    I felt really impressed after reading your article. i'm a student in Malaysia. And as you know Malaysia is an islamic country. Many of my friends have persuaded me to be a muslim and they showed me many books about contradictions in Christianity. But after i read your articles  i begin to realize the true image of islam. However, how can i persuade my islam friends to understand the truth? Can you give me some ideas thank you...and may God  bless you... 



Dear Jason,

Thank you for your kind letter. I actually do not recommend you discussing about your findings with your friends. Muslims often get irritated when you criticize their religion and they can even resort to violence.

Instead I encourage you to start a campaign through the Internet, go to chat rooms and different forums where Islam and religion is discussed. There you can talk about Islam freely and without the fear of becoming the target of Islamic violence. You may ask your friends to see my site and answer to my challenge, but avoid arguing with them.

Take care,


Ali Sina  

Dear Mr Sina, 

Thank you very much for the reply. Yes ,you are right, i should not discuss it with my friend. Because many have been detained under ISA for being accused to criticize their religion. thank God that he make me realize that islam is not true.... i was almost convinced that islam is the true religon, because they seem very holy, practice prayer 5 times a day, fasted in Ramahdan.... in Malaysia, i think i 'm not able to i convince my friends to see your site b'coz anti islam site is consider a propaganda of the Americans to destroy Muslim countries. thanks again Mr Sina take care


Jan, 5, 2002

Dear Ali  

Your web site is wonderful beyond imagination. I have been writing to you a very long e-mail about my story, but in fact I could not wait until I finish. I hope you take the time to read it. But please I want to stay anonymous. You will not believe that I have suspicion that your web site might be a trap for those who left Isalm to track them down and apply one of (hedoud Allah) or Allah's punishments and kill them.  

I came very close to converting to Islam, but the only problem was Mohamed's nature. Being raised in an Arabic country, listening to the Quran and Hadith in Arabic is a very different experience. Reading El-Tabri describing the manners of the prophet makes any human with the least amount of common sense decency, utterly sick. In the time the hypocrite media is trying to convince us of the peaceful nature of Islam, you are putting the axe on one of the humanity's worst nightmares. I really admire your courage. Only very few would be gifted with a critical mind such as yours and go against the trends.  

I now live in the West. Nevertheless, I had a Muslim friend whom I cherish so mush. He came to the west as a refugee. When I told him about the atrocities about the "sehaba" (Abu Bakr, Omar, etc... ), he said this can not be true, even if they did that I would say they are wrong, so I asked him politely, what if the prophet Mohammed did that, he was in a shock and in a state of denial.   

I asked him what do you think about the punishment of those who leave Islam, he said very empathetically, that "there is no compulsion in the religion" and every body is allowed to choose, so I confronted him with the Hadith that says "Kill whoever converts back from Islam", he said that this can not be true Hadith. Then I asked why did then Abu Bakr go on a killing spree after Mohamed died, when many people who were forced into Islam decided to convert back. He was confused, so he asked me to give him two days to consult with the Imam of Mosque. Believe me you do not want to know what happened after that. He came back after a couple of weeks telling me that the youth of the Mosque started hating him because he argued one of the basic tenets of Islam. This is happening here in the West, we do have people amongst us who believe that killing those converts from Islam is a duty on every Muslim. Killing a human for his conscience does not cause the least amount of pain to them. It is a divine order, and the faithful would be so happy to carry it out. I wonder if those "reverts" to Islam know about this punishment, which any Muslim would be so happy to take Thawab for carrying it out. To everybody's amazement, my Muslim friend now believes that it is JUST to kill those who leave Islam.  

I wish if you can let me take part in debates with Muslims. I have deep understanding of Islam in Arabic, and the contexts of the verses. I see Muslims way of thinking and I see that it is so frustrating to try to repeat to them the same answers. One of the funniest things that I encountered while in a dialogue with that Muslim friend was that when he came back from the Mosque. Apparently, he tried to argue with them about the atrocities of Mohammad and his followers. He came back to me saying so what about the witch hunt, the crusades. While all Christians are ashamed of these things now, many Muslims live in the Utopia of carrying the swords like Mohammed did and behave exactly like him. I think Islam can NOT survive if what Mohamed and his Sehaba did has been condemned by current day Muslims. I remember the most prominent Sheikh in my country coming on TV and trying to defend why Mohammed marry all these women. Listen to this, because it is coming from the most authoritative religious figure in Egypt:

"Jesus married ten women, why are people so angry about Mohammed being married to all these number of women". He was refereeing to the symbolical story narrated by Jesus in the new testament. You see this is the problem: you are trying to arue with people

whose system of values is so corrupt, and they conceive the world utterly differently. They have swords upon their necks, no wonder they believe.  

I just have a question, regarding this point, I want to know what number was Ayesha the 9 year old girl when Mohammed married her? Can you give evidence on that? I mean was she the second third, ... etc.  

I hope you give me a chance to debate with Muslims, I will be writing to you refutation for their arguments, but please I insist on remaining anonymous.  

My only concern now is about your life and your web site and the books you have. It is so rare to find someone treading that treacherous path trying to elicit truth to Muslims. I know that whoever is hosting your web site must be under enormous pressure to shut you down. That is the way Muslims feel victorious.




Jan, 3, 2002

I found some of the material on your site thought provoking and as an 

American had little knowledge of Islam prior to Sept. 11, yet I still don't know what to believe.  Both the Jewish and Christian bibles are full of similar irrational or hateful tenets so I admit that it is hard to become alarmed of such things in the Quran.   

You do seem to have a personal knowledge of what you write about, yet it may be helpful to acknowledge on your website the dangers of religious fundamentalism in the west, especially its growth in the US.  In fact, President Bush often speaks like one of its adherents, which of course is no surprise as his political base originates in the South, an area steeped in religious obscurantism.    

If the West is trending toward fundamentalist despotism at the expense of its enlightenment heritage, is this not a greater threat to world integration?  

It also seems like many of the political regimes in the mid-east exploit the foibles of Islamic thinking in order to maintain their narrow and unpopular power base. People steeped in simple religious ideologies are often easiest to manipulate and therefore the favoite of despotic governments from Nazi Germany to present Iran, Saudi Arabia and maybe one day, a Christian US?    

Acknowledgement of these issues would make your protestations against the Quran less antagonistic to readers of that faith and have a wider "humanist" meaning.  



Yes you are absolutely right and I agree 100%

Ali Sina 


Hello Mr. Sina, 

Your site is extremely intriguing and informative.  I am a Hindu by faith but would not say I am religious.  I believe that My Mom and Dad are my Goddess and God as they lived their live by great virtues of humanity.  I only believe thay my religion (or Dharma) is my duty (or Karma) as preached in Gita (a practical Hindu book - I won't say that it is a religious book).   

My basic belief was that no religion can ever preach violence but I was greatly surprised by going through your site.  This kind of gives you a clue why there is always violence in regions dominated by followers of Islam.  It seems that they don't believe in peaceful co-existence.  What surprises me that the number of followers in Islam is still increasing around the globe.  Not sure what attracts people to this religion if it in essence is preaching so much of violence.  I would appreciate your comments in this area. 

What I have noticed that Muslims do not typically think that they belong to a country.  They owe allegiance to the religion.  For example, many Muslims in India would support Pakistan rather than India because Pakistan is an Islamic state.  Another noticeable thing is that the religious leaders of Islam like to keep their people uneducated so that they can control them and eercise power in the form of vote bank.  Although the ratio of Muslim and Hindu population in India is 3:20, the ratio of participants in academic institutions is likely 1:150.  This is unfortunate as it is keeping the entire Muslim population poor and resulting in them getting involved in prostitution, mafia-related activites, smuggling and other crimes. 

Frankly, I would blame these religious leaders who are keeping their own people unenlightened for their own benefit. 

Again your site is a revelation and may you be blessed with long life as we need lots of people like yourself in this world to root out bigotry, fundamentalism, darkness and hatred. 

Thanks and I will feel greatly honored to get a reply from you.  



Dear Deb, 

Thank you for your kind and enlightening email. Of course the honor is mine to have received your email. Unfortunately what you said about Islam and Muslims is true. But Muslims are my people, I cannot remain silent when I see what Islam is doing to them. I hope one day Muslims awaken from their slumber and embrace the rest of humanity in amity and help to built a new civilization of human kind. 

Please join our discussion board at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mukto-mona/ where you’ll find lots of people who are working hard to “root out bigotry, fundamentalism, darkness and hatred.” 

Best of wishes 

Ali Sina


Jan, 3. 2002

Hi Dr. Sina, something interesting happened on my job today. As I have always been I like to share my knowledge with people and your website happens to be one of them. I referred a colleague at work to your site and after a span of 30 minutes, he came back and of course I was expecting an intellectual discussion instead his comment was uncomplimentary. He: Oh, he'scrazy, he being you and I immediately snapped and questioned why and what made you a crazy, needless to say that nothing was pointed that warranted that comment.  

My multitude of questions to this person was unanswerable like, is he crazy because he exposed the truth or by being courageous or being knowledgeable, is there anything that he (you) wrote that was unsubstantiable? I tend to have problem with people that follow blindly without questioning why and what makes it a neccecity to follow. The light debate ended with his concession, which did not surprise me a bit because in order to make a not so sublime comment like that, one must be able to highlight those things that supports ones argument or opinion and this you (Ali) do so well. You inadvertently won me over as a crusader for your noble cause.  A united human race.

Your safety is most important to those of us that see you as not only honest but placid and may it be well for you. BTW, I enjoyed the debate you had with the guy (Mr.
Reza Pahlavi) proposing  the return of the monarchy in Iran. Hope you won't accept any invitation for a face to face meeting, I smell rat all over on that invitation you will definitely be cancelled if you know what I mean! Do not reveal your identity ever! He is also a sharp writer and with you two, I hope to improve my written grammar.



“You inadvertently won me over as a crusader for your noble cause.  A united human race.”


Dear Nna,  

Thank you for your desire to become a crusader for the unity of human race. This indeed is a noble cause, but the good news is that you and I are not alone. There are many people who like us indefatigably strive to eliminate the hate that divide the human race and establish its glorious oneness.  

I have the honor to work with some of them. We have formed an organization that we would shortly open to everyone to join. It is called Faith Freedom International and our goal is just as you said, to crusade for the noble cause of unity of human race.   

Why don’t you join our discussion group at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mukto-mona/ 

See you there and wish you the best.   





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