Letters to Ali Sina - Page Six
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From J Samuels
04/28/02
Dear Dr Sina,
I was recently browsing your excellent site and came across your discussion with the team at ff.com. I have visited their site in the past and have noticed that it really does nothing to disprove what is written on your site.
Today when I visited, I saw a big link stating, "Shall we play your game Mr. Sina?" It was utter rubbish and I wrote the following to them.
The following was sent by myself to the owners of the ff.com site with the subject "Your tactics are pathetic"...
Regards
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Hello,
I just visited your site after reading some articles from the ff.org site.
I was greeted with a link stating, "Shall we play your game Mr. Sina?" and I thought, "Hmmm. This may be interesting".
Instead of providing some useful intellectual discussion, I was greeted with pictures of killing etc by Non-Muslims of Muslims.
You then try to disqualify this low tactic by stating "We are reluctant to be stooping down to such a low level but we feel it would be best for those who revere Dr Sina so much to take a look at he following blood drenched photos of Muslims being beaten, abused, burnt, ran over and murdered."
The question thus begs, why did you do it in the first place. If your aim is o prove that Islam does not ordain violence against Non-Muslims (i.e.: to disprove what Mr. Sina is trying to exemplify in his graphical depiction), how does ANYTHING AT ALL ON THIS PAGE assist your aims? In short it doesn't, you are simply trying to appeal to readers emotions. I guess I am not surprised since this is the primary driving force of the of the Quran (along with fear). Unlike yourselves, Mr. Sina links his pictures to quotes from
the Quran/Hadiths. His aim is merely to provide a graphical representation of Muslims carrying out their duties as ordered by their religion.
Your efforts are simply pro-Islamic propaganda. Your actics are nothing short of totally pathetic and abhorrently irresponsible. Not only do you employ childish methods, but time and time again, you do absolutely nothing to disprove Sina's interpretation and articulation of the Quran/Hadiths and Quranic concepts. I have browsed your site extensively and have not come across one shred of information that has not conclusively and almost unambiguously been dealt with on the ff.org site.
It is also so typically Muslim to suggest that ruthful claims of others are "concocted" and "bizarre", simply because they portray Islam in a negative light. Such unsubstantiated behavior is a typical act of fear. Your response implies that you are scared of the truth. Scared of the fact that Islam DOES incite normally peaceful people o kill other human beings simply for not being Muslim, and that you can do ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about it. You suggest that the situation of the man being beaten for being Hindu is a "lie". Let me tell you of a situation that my best friend, a Palestinian Christian encountered.
One afternoon, my friend, his brother and a few other Christian and Muslim people were playing soccer in his Arabic hometown. They were all playing happily and just having a good time. Prayer time came and the Muslims went off for prayers while the Christians continued to play soccer. Prayers concluded and the Christians noticed the Muslims returning. My friend observed that the Muslims were carrying what looked to be weapons and that they were approaching fairly quickly. As they drew closer, he saw that they were carrying knives and large sticks, and that had a look in their eye that he could not describe as anything other than "possessed". He and his Christian friends thought it looked like trouble so they started to leave the field. As hey were leaving, the Muslims picked up their pace.
The Christians began to run and the Muslims began to run after them. Luckily my friends managed to escape. God only knows what would have happened if these boys did not escape.
I ask you, does this situation not sound extremely similar to the one Mr. Sina described? What made these previously friendly Muslim boys become "possessed" in a matter of a few minutes? Are you going to do something so typically Muslim and call me a liar?
Oh well, at least it is comforting to know that waning of Islam is soon on the horizon. If groups such as yourselves who are so totally devoted to proving Mr. Sina wrong are incapable of doing so, then I hold no hope for Islam itself. I am certain in my heart that the truth and what is right will always ultimately win, and your site has only reinforced my (and undoubtedly others) conception of Islam.
The information age is well and truly here and people are becoming aware. To this date, the spread of Islam has been only through violence and ignorance. Today, after the September 11th tragedy, Muslims are frantically rying to make Islam seem in some way "peaceful", yet are failing dismally.
I feel great sorrow for all those people who died in the September 11th attacks (bar the hijackers), but the innocent people who died in this tragedy are he true martyrs. Their untimely death has inclined the masses to begin researching Islam, and the masses are coming to the realization that Islam is little more than a cleverly disguised doctrine of hate and murder.
Your pursuit is futile - a lie cannot be proven to be anything other than a lie, no matter how hard one tries - but your efforts are highly effective in exposing the truth, keep up the good work!
Regards
>From: Exposer Of Lies <exposelies@yahoo.com>
>To: Jake Samuels <da_snake2036@hotmail.com>
>Subject: Re: Your tactics are pathetic
>Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 03:46:35 -0700 (PDT)
>
>--- Jake Samuels <da_snake2036@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > I just visited your site after reading some articles
> > from the ff.org site.
> >
> > I was greeted with a link stating "Shall we play
> > your game Mr Sina?" and I
> > thought, "Hmmm. This may be interesting".
> >
> > Instead of providing some useful intellectual
> > discussion, I was greeted with
> > pictures of killing etc by Non-Muslims of Muslims.
>
>The title "shall we play your game Mr Sina?" should've
>triggered your one sided, wisted, brainwashed mind to
>realise that what we are about to do (within the
>preceding article) IS exactly what your beloved "Dr"
>Sina does with such ease. The emotional, graphic, and
>often damn right offensive portrayal he uses to get a
>point across is what we are combatting with things of
>a like nature. Therefore do not criticize our choice
>of tactics or methods for it exists to serve a
>purpose. The vast majority of "Dr" Sina's fans are
>thick, uneducated, racist, inherently ignorant
>Americans who could not care much for "The truth".
>
>Whats the matter with you? did you not scroll down to
>the bottom of his page to find the photos HE uses to
>make the claims that Muslims everywhere murder!!! This
>is total insanity on your part, are you really that
>blind - his website is full of emotion, violent
>graphics and other rubbish o brainwash the likes of
>you!
>
> >
> > You then try to disqualify this low tactic by
> > stating "We are reluctant to
> > be stooping down to such a low level but we feel it
> > would be best for those
> > who revere Dr Sina so much to take a look at the
> > following blood drenched
> > photos of Muslims being beaten, abused, burnt, ran
> > over and murdered." The
> > question thus begs, why did you do it in he first
> > place.
>
>It is rather simple, you can call it childish if you
>wish but we did it simply because he does it! and you
>would attest to this fact if you had an ounch of
>honesty within you, or do you not look!
>
>Instead of using fancy writing, and seemlingly well
>sructured language why dont you come on out with it
>and REFUTE just one of our articles. This idiot you
>revere so much has been caught shamefully truncating
>and misquoting from the Quran and has been proven
>throughout our many articles. We do not need the likes
>of you to tell us we are using wrong tactics or are
>pathetic, if you can do so refute our arguments, else
>dont bother with your rhetoric because it wont be
>bothered with.
>
>Do have a nice day!
>
>ff.com
Dear Dr. Sina,
I received a rebuttal from our friends at ff.com.
It never ceases to amaze me how these Muslims are so blind as not to notice how they dig themselves in a ditch every time they put pen to paper!
Anyway, take care.
Regards
========================
Hello,
Once again, in typical uneducated Islamic fashion, you TOTALLY miss the point.
My claim here is simply that Dr. Sina uses quotes from the Quran/Hadiths to back up his claims and provides real life examples - and you don't. No doubt, atrocites are done by both parties, but the difference here is that THE QURAN ENCOURAGES IT. bviously, you are either too simple minded or too ignorant to realise this. There is nothing wrong with using emotion, so long as it is backed up with facts that relate to the issue at hand.
Dr. Sina is basically saying "Here are quotes from the Quran/Hadiths, and here are images that back them up. Unlike Dr. Sina, you irresponsibly use graphic images to say "Dr. Sina is putting up graphic images, so why can't we?" I mean, when one goes around stating "but we did it simply because he does it", others really have to question not only your intellectual qualification, but your true understanding of this religion hat you are so desperately defending. This leads me to my next point.
You once again raise questionability over your level of education suggesting that Dr. Sina "make the claims that Muslims everywhere murder". Dr. Sina simply postulates that for a Muslim to be a "true" Muslim, certain situations (which I am sure you are aware of) would command the killing of non-Muslims, and that a TRUE Muslim, in any part of the world is capable of murder. If you have difficulty interpreting simple plain English, what hope do you have of interpreting the Quran??!?!?
It seems that you are TRYING (very transparently I might add) to claim to be using Dr Sina's apparent 'tactics', where in reality, you are not on a level playing field. The fact is, the Quran unashamedly encourages violence and hate, and this is what incites Muslims to perform violent acts on INNOCENT people. Please don't ask me o provide proof for I think Dr. Sina has done an excellent job of doing so. Can you say the same of other religions? Unless you are a totally ignorant fool, it is indisputably apparent hat what you are are doing is far from "what my beloved 'Dr' Sina does with such ease".
The fact that you have to resort to juvenile tactics such as name calling, claiming that "the vast majority of 'Dr' Sina's fans are thick, uneducated, racist, inherently ignorant Americans who could not care much for 'The truth'", really makes me wonder how hick, uneducated, racist and inherently ignorant you are. Again, this is the typical attitude of Muslims I have come across. Anyone who challenges them is 'inferior' to them and unjustifiably attacked. This is how Muslims have banded together throughout the ages - from the time of Muhammed to his day. I would have to say hat I am none of the bove, but since you are a Muslim, I understand that you are scared of the truth, and this fear drives you make these laughable suggestions, if only to make you feel a little bit better.
Let me ask you, why is Islam the ONLY religion that is constantly having to defend itself? Why is it that anyone who interprets Islam in it most obvious form is accused of "shamefully truncating and misquoting from the Quran"? Your apparent 'proofs' hold as much weight as Maurice Bucailles works and if you really would like me to give written proof of this, I will. Any semi-educated person can see that Islam is far from correct and is full of hate, violence and contradictions. Your alleged "proofs throughout your many articles" are most often laden with outrageously vague interpretations - interpretations much more obscure than those of Dr Sina's - yet you expect the educated man to believe that YOUR interpretation is correct?!?!? RUBBISH!
I gleefully read your concluding paragraph where you requested me that "if you can do so, refute our arguments". I have been wanting an excuse to write such a piece for ages, but I am a busy man. I work in excess of 12 hours a day and generally don't have the time, but since you have placed the challenge to me, I will do the honorable thing and take up your challenge. It is much easier to prove a lie as a lie than to mask and sweeten up a lie as the 'truth'.
I also find the selectivity of your response amusing o say the least. Why did you not give me some kind of educated (you are educated, right?) suggestion as to why my best friend was chased by "possessed" Muslims after prayers? Oh let me guess, these people are not 'true' Muslims right? Spare me; I have heard it all before. I have dealt with enough Muslims to know their style - ignore what hey refuse to accept, and speak loudly about whatever little shred of understanding they *THINK* they have of their religion. The essence of your rebuttal did not even raise an eyebrow.
In conclusion I would like to congratulate your team once again for reinforcing every single point I raised. You also get a bonus point for omission of a response as to why my friend encountered possessed Muslims after they had come from prayers! Well Done!
Regards
04/01/02
I am just reading this debate you had with ff.com and I just have to write and say BRAVO!
I don't know how anyone can "believe in" Islam after your writings, especially when you go off like this, but somehow they mange o...there must be a devil, because the devil (which is man himself, I'm sure is what the writers were getting at in the bible) himself is he only one who can make people see peace, truth and beauty in the Koran.
Mona J. for me is one, people can rant against her, yet she will come back with one of the few good verses in the Koran and she is totally blind to all the bad parts, if you never read a Koran, you could actually believe her...it is really far out.
Hope you write a lot in your lifetime, because I will direct my son to read your writings...write a lot of good books, bye! I like how you bring Christianity and other religions into it too, because I want my son to understand history in that way as well...
Bye
From Susan
03/27/02
It is true hat you are just one person against a team at the OTHER FF site, but he one advantage is that they are all morons and you are not. For example:
They post an article saying that the death penalty is not required for apostates. They include a link to Islam Q&A, which verifies that penalty is the death sentence for apostates.
They post an article denying that Islam allows slavery and that it allows slave masters to have sex with their female slaves. They include a link to Islam Q&A, which says in no uncertain terms that it is the right of the slave masters to have sex with their female
