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Honor Killing is about Islam

Turkish police recovered the body of Medine Memi, a 16-year-old girl who was buried alive by her father and grandfather in an “honor” killing carried out as punishment for talking to boys.

She was found in a sitting position with her hands tied, in a two-meter hole dug under a chicken pen outside her home in Kahta, in the south-eastern province of Adiyaman.

Medine had been abused and beaten by her father and grandfather several times and she had sought help from Police three times, only to be sent back to her home.

Medine’s father had told relatives he was unhappy that his daughter – one of nine children – was talking to boys.

Official figures indicate that more than 200 such killings take place each year, accounting for around half of all murders in Turkey. 

What makes this case particularly disturbing is its gruesomeness.  A postmortem examination revealed large amounts of soil in Medine’s lungs and stomach, indicating that she had been alive and conscious while being buried. Her body showed no signs of bruising.

Honor killing happens in all Islamic counties, and thanks to the immigration of Muslims it has now spread to Europe, America, Australia and also Canada.

Governments in Islamic countries claim to do their best to put an end to this evil practice. Then why it cannot be stopped and why it is spreading?

To find an answer we must understand where the problem is originated.  Honor killing is neither in the Quran nor in the hadith. However, it is the logical consequence of the Islamic misogyny and upbringing.

Women in Islam are seen as sexual beings. Every part of their body is thought to be erotic. Every square inch of her, is sexual. She must cover from head to toe, because her entire body is perceived to be private parts.

In Pakistan, women are called awra. Awra or aurat means the part of the body that has to be covered. Exposing the Awra is unlawful in Islam and is regarded as sin. Etymologically, the term Awra derives from the root ‘a-w-r which means “defectiveness”, “imperfection”, “blemish” or “weakness” – however the most common English translation is “nakedness”.

The Islamic regime of Iran calls women zaifeh. It’s the feminine for “weak.” This implies also mental weakness since according to Muhammad women are deficient in intelligence.  This sums up the status of woman in Islam.  You can’t be more explicit than this.   

In a society that women are seen as weak, defective and private part, any contact that they may have with men is deemed to be sexual and unlawful.

Women in Muslim countries are segregated. From the very childhood boys and girls are kept apart. They don’t play with each other, don’t go to school with each other, don’t ride on the same bus, and don’t shake hand or have eye contact.  Any contact with women can arouse the pious Muslim men sexually, which would not only cause him to sin, but also would dishonor her male relatives.

The Quran (4:34) says men are in charge of women.  The same verse says “good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah hath guarded.” 

The secret is their awra. Since in Islam the woman’s whole body is considered to be sexual, they must cover every part of their body and avoid contact with stranger men.  Verse 24:31 says believing women must lower their gaze, be modest and they should draw their veils over their bosoms and not display their beauty to strangers.

In the west, one can shake hand with a woman, dance with her and even kiss her on the cheek, and none of that is considered to be sexual.  But one must not touch her in her crotch.  That is private part.

A Muslim woman’s entire body is private part. So if you shake hand with her it is the same as touching her crotch.  If she displays her hair, it is as exposing her pubic hair. Everything in her is sexual and private part.

In Islam women are the namoos (ناموس) of their male relatives. Namoos can be roughly translated as honor, but with a sexual connotation.  The namoos of a Muslim hinges on protecting his female kin from prying eyes.  If a woman displays her beauty or talks to a stranger man, the namoos of all her male relatives is injured.  The only way to redeem an injured namoos is to wash the stain with blood.

Patriarchal societies produce men with devalued sense of self. Therefore, a Muslim man’s “honor,” depends almost entirely on how he can keep his female dependants under leash.  Should he fail to do that he is shamed.  He knows that everyone will be talking about him and laughing at him behind his back. 

He can restore his namoos by killing the woman that has been “defiled.”  The Islamic society does not look down at such a man, but rather he is lionized as having ghairat (pride, sense of honor).

The question is how to stop this insanity.  Now that we know the root cause of this problem the answer is obvious.  The problem is Islamic misogyny. We can’t expect more from a society that treats its women as deficient in intelligence, weak and a defective thing that has to covered. Where women are dehumanized and sexualized honor killing is the outcome. 

Honor killing is not the only problem affecting Islamic countries. Dictatorship, violence, terrorism, poverty, human rights abuses, and a host of other problems that are endemic in Muslim countries are all due to teachings of Islam.

There is one obvious solution for all these problems, but it is politically incorrect to say it. The problem is Islam, and the solution is to get rid of it.  This required telling the truth about this faith and criticizing it in the same way that Christianity and all other faiths have been criticized. However, while it is okay to criticize every other faith, criticizing Islam is taboo – in Europe, it is illegal.

The Dutch government is prosecuting a member of their parliament (Geert Wilders) for telling the truth about Islam. His prosecutor has said it clearly that it does not matter whether Wilders has told the truth, because it was illegal to say it.

Telling the truth is illegal.  But only truth can set us free. Meanwhile, thousands of innocent girls like Medine, thousands of victims of terrorism, and thousands of victims of religious violence will meet their death every year in the hands of devout Muslims who just want to practice their faith, faithfully. Even these murderers are victims of a lie.  

There is no end to these senseless killings until Islam is criticized in the same way that other faiths have been criticized. Until then more lives will be lost.   

 

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319 Comments for “Honor Killing is about Islam”

  1. Muchos Gracias for your article post.Really thank you! Awesome.

  2. DREAMLAND

     

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  3. kingphantom

    Caste System is not related to Religion, Its man made. Yes caste system is prevailing in India but just in some of the small villages. specially in North India UP and BIHAR. Muslims are so idiot, just to prove them, they relate the killing of daughter in law for dowry with the Hindu religion.  

  4. Ibn Kammuna

    Funny enough, "Namoos" in Arabic means one two things:1. Sharia or law – mainly talked about as the old testament mosaic laws, but can be used for Sharia or law or divine law or allah's law.2. It also can mean "Fleas" or ticks.An odd combination of two possible meanings indeedPeace 

  5. Ali Sina

    Isn't that qamoos? 

  6. Marie

    Honor killing is not the only thing about Islam. Murder, genocide, pedophilia, rape, slavery, beastiality, and exc. is about Islam.

  7. Ibn Kammuna

    No brother. "Qamoos" is "Dictionary" in Arabic. Cheers 

  8. Murtad

    Dear Dr. Ali Sina quran actually contain verse that are related to honour killing. See the following- Sura Nisa,Ayat 15:<span style="color: maroon;">Quran- 4:15 “If any of your women are guilty of lewdness, take the evidence of four (reliable) witness from amongst you against them; if they testify, confine them to houses until death do claim them. Or God ordain for them some (other) way.” </span> <span style="color: maroon;">Most of the islamic scholars are agree that this verse are talking about honour killing. So in muslim community there is a wide spread believe that honour killing are in accordance with islamic believe and practice.</span> 

  9. Murtad

    There are several verses in Quran and Hadith that that can be said inspirational of honour killing.Honour kiling are deeply rooted in Islamic  tradition and religious muslim support this practice.<dl><span style="color: maroon;"> Quran-24:2 “The woman and the man guilty of adultery or fornication—flog each of them with hundred stripes: Let no compassion move you in their case, in a matter prescribed by God, if ye believe in God and the last day.” Quran-17:32 “ Nor come nigh to adultery: for it is a shameful (deed) and an evil, opening the road (to other evils). Quran-33:33 “stay quietly in your houses, and make not a dazzling display.” Now some sahih hadiths: Bukhari: Volume 7, Book 63, Number 196: Narrated Abu Huraira: A man from Bani Aslam came to Allah's Apostle while he was in the mosque and called (the Prophet ) saying, "O Allah's Apostle! I have committed illegal sexual intercourse." On that the Prophet turned his face from him to the other side, whereupon the man moved to the side towards which the Prophet had turned his face, and said, "O Allah's Apostle! I have committed illegal sexual intercourse." The Prophet turned his face (from him) to the other side whereupon the man moved to the side towards which the Prophet had turned his face, and repeated his statement. The Prophet turned his face (from him) to the other side again. The man moved again (and repeated his statement) for the fourth time. So when the man had given witness four times against himself, the Prophet called him and said, "Are you insane?" He replied, "No." The Prophet then said (to his companions), "Go and stone him to death." The man was a married one. Jabir bin 'Abdullah Al-Ansari said: I was one of those who stoned him. We stoned him at the Musalla ('Id praying place) in Medina. When the stones hit him with their sharp edges, he fled, but we caught him at Al-Harra and stoned him till he died.</span><span style="color: maroon;">(</span><span style="color: maroon;">See also Bukhari: Volume 7, Book 63, Nu</span><span style="color: maroon;">mber</span><span style="color: maroon;"> 195.)</span><span style="color: maroon;"> </span><dt><span style="color: maroon;"> Sahi Bukhari: 8:6814: Narrated Jabir bin Abdullah al-Ansari: “A man from the tribe of Bani Aslam came to Allah’s Messenger [Muhammad] and informed him that he had committed illegal sexual intercourse; and he bore witness four times against himself. Allah’s Messenger ordered him to be stoned to death as he was a married person.” Sahi Muslim No. 4206: “A woman came to the prophet and asked for purification by seeking punishment. He told her to go away and seek God’s forgiveness. She persisted four times and admitted she was pregnant. He told her to wait until she had given birth. Then he said that the Muslim community should wait until she had weaned her child. When the day arrived for the child to take solid food, Muhammad handed the child over to the community. And when he had given command over her and she was put in a hole up to her breast, he ordered the people to stone her. Khalid b. al-Walid came forward with a stone which he threw at her head, and when the blood spurted on her face he cursed her.” Sahih Al-Bukhari Vol 2. pg 1009; and Sahih Muslim Vol 2. pg 65: Hadhrat Abdullah ibne Abbaas (Radiallahu Anhu) narrates the lecture that Hadhrat Umar (Radiallaahu Anhu) delivered whilst sitting on the pulpit of Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wa Sallam). Hadhrat Umar (Radiallahu Anhu) said, "Verily, Allah sent Muhammad (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wa Sallam) with the truth, and revealed the Quran upon him. The verse regarding the stoning of the adulterer/ess was from amongst the verse revealed (in the Quraan). We read it, secured it and understood it. Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wa Sallam) stoned and we stoned after him. I fear that with the passage of time a person might say, ‘We do not find mention of stoning in the Book of Allah and thereby go astray by leaving out an obligation revealed by Allah. Verily, the stoning of a adulterer/ress is found in the Quraan and is the truth, if the witnesses are met or there is a pregnancy or confession." Al-Bukhari: The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said, “Whoever guarantees me that he will guard his chastity, I will guarantee him Paradise”. Al-Bukhari, Muslim, Abu Dawud, An-Nisa’i and others: Abu Hurayrah reports that the Messenger of Allah said, “No one commits adultery while still remaining a believer, for faith is more precious unto Allah than such an evil act!” In another version, it is stated, “When a person commits adultery he casts away from his neck the bond that ties him to Islam; if, however, he repents, Allah will accept his repentance”. Al-Bayhaqi: The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said, “O mankind! Beware of fornication/adultery for it entails six dire consequences: three of them relating to this world and three to the next world. As for the three that are related to this world, they are the following: it removes the glow of one’s face, brings poverty, and reduces the life-span. As for its dire consequences in the next world they are: it brings down the wrath of Allah upon the person, subjects him to terrible reckoning, and finally casts him in hell-fire.” </span></dt><dt></dt><dt><span style="color: maroon;">So muslim are doing what are demanding islamic scripture.</span></dt><dd> </dd></dl>

  10. Ibn Kammuna

    "Awra" in Arabic has a negative meaning. It represents "shame", or something shmaeful to show. And indeed the Arabs consider women as Awra. Islamic culture even influenced how the Arab Christian community view women. But still, women of the Christian communities there have dignity. They are not treated like animals. They are decent human beings. However, in Muslims culture of the Arabs, Muslims believe that Islam "Liberated" women. But the fact is they are treated like dirt. Just to give one example (there are many. Believe me). In Iraq, you will see the Muslims man walking in the street ahead of his wife and daughters. They will be struggling to follow and carrying heavy loads like big boxes or suitcases..etc. It is really a shame how we, Arabs, allowed Islam to destroy the great civilizations of Mesopotamia.Peace 

  11. freedomfighter67

    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt;"><span style="font-size: 13pt; line-height: 115%; font-family: "Times New Roman","serif";">Honor killing is not just prevalent in Islam but also in Hinduism and Sikhism. That’s why Hindus in FFI do not want or somewhat hesitant to make a comment on this subject. The reason why such religious beliefs are plagued with the same kind of evil dogma is because of their commonality as pagan beliefs. False belief is where evil thrives and evil always thirst for the death of its own followers and for those outside their religion, just like the human sacrifices that were used by pagan Indians in the old South America to worship their gods, and the not so distant events of suicidal tendencies of the cults in the USA. In fact, if the Aghoris in India (another offshoot of Hinduism) were to evolve uncontrollably, these Hindus would have eaten live human beings instead of cannibalizing the decomposing corpses floating in the Ganges River. Such are the dangers of false beliefs, and the fruits of its tree are the catalyst of extreme mutation that can be used as a mirror in which we humans can gage their threat to our own existence.</span><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt;"><span style="font-size: 13pt; line-height: 115%; font-family: "Times New Roman","serif";">As of today, Islam is leading the role as the number one pagan religion to outspokenly show to the world the death it promotes in all angles of life, whether death by Jihad, suicide bombing, and honor killings, and such place in honor killings is followed by the Hindus and the Sikhs of the Indian civilization. Islam is an offshoot of pagan Hinduism branching off from the mainstream pagan civilization just like Buddhism did long time ago, but unlike Buddhism which adapted the pacifistic doctrines of Hinduism, Islam is a severely aggressive malignancy that uses death masked with stolen biblical connection as its foundation to lure and to terrorize the surrounding civilizations of the Middle East and beyond.</span><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt;"><span style="font-size: 13pt; line-height: 115%; font-family: "Times New Roman","serif";">Like I said before in another post, Honor Killing is the false notion of pagan believers that they somehow possess such high honor in society as pagan believers. False pride and never humility thrives in all pagans’ hearts. Islamic and Hindu followers are always quick to show to the world how humble their religions are but the fruit is always the contrary. They always fail to know that such honor they keen to protect all their lives is just an imagination and therefore not real. This just shows the frailty of how easily human beings succumb to the lure of false desires and nobody is immune to this, not even me. It wasn’t just Adam and Eve that fell for the lure. It is all of us human beings. It’s going to take more than human intellect to protect us from our own frailty and desires and people all over the world know what it is but still refuse to believe in it because of the same false pride that has always cursed human beings ever since the beginning. Ex-Muslims have realized it. When will the other pagans do?</span>

  12. Haha_000

    Tell one Dogma in Hinduism to support honor killings. In fact there is no dogma in Hinduism. Yes , like others it has its weakness or fallacies I better call. Other thing is who ever is not a Muslim or Christian or or a Sikh or a Buddhist is called a Hindu. A generic for pagan Indians, you suggest? You are one ignorant man. There is no mention of a word like Hindu in any of its so called sacred texts. Such is the reality. It has evolved along with cultural and civilizational lines. You use the word pagan so righteously? Define Pagan, idiot. This is the problem with people of Abrahamic faiths. They think theirs alone is the truth and all others should adhere to it. Much of the warfare and sufferings can be attributed to Christianity and Islam. Then again what is much difference between Christianity and Islam?  A Muslim has to kill an infidel in Jihad, he can go to Heaven straight away. In Christianity too what ever be his crime all he has to do is, to ask forgiveness. All Hitler could have done is to ask forgiveness bowing before the Christ, he could have gone to Heaven too.  No wonder, like I said both are responsible for much of the turmoil in the past and in the present and in the future too. Now coming to Honor killings, I have not heard of it in India, but I heard it other way. In most cases children  are disowned by the family. You look like one self righteous person. A Christian talking of Buddhism is complete vulgarity.

  13. rationalist

    FF67, so many Hindu women marry Muslims and Christians in India. I will quote examples. Shah Rukh Khan, the bollywood star, has married Gauri, a Hindu woman. Gauri now has two kids and I've not seen her parents doing a honor killing. Muhammad Azaruddin, the ex-cricket captain of India, married Sangita Bijalani, a Hindu woman. No honor killing! You cannot generalize one or two instances, if any, to the whole community.              I guess you have problems digesting delicious curries LOL 

  14. jonmc

    HaHa_00 you wrote: "in Christianity too what ever be his crime all he has to do is, to ask forgiveness."Actually, no. To obtain forgiveness, you have to repent.

  15. freedomfighter67

    <p class="MsoNormal" style="background: white; margin: 0in 0in 10pt; line-height: normal; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto;"><span style="font-size: 12.5pt; color: black; font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; mso-ansi-language: EN; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman';" lang="EN">Ha ha.. said:<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span></span><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: black; font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman';"></span><p class="MsoNormal" style="background: white; margin: 0in 0in 10pt; line-height: normal; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto;"><span style="font-size: 12.5pt; color: black; font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; mso-ansi-language: EN; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman';" lang="EN">Tell one Dogma in Hinduism to support honor killings. In fact there is no dogma in Hinduism. Yes , like others it has its weakness or fallacies I better call. Other thing is who ever is not a Muslim or Christian or or a Sikh or a Buddhist is called a Hindu. A generic for pagan Indians, you suggest? You are one ignorant man. There isno mention of a word like Hindu in any of its so called sacred texts. Such is the reality. It has evolved alongwith cultural and civilizational lines. You use the word pagan so righteously? Define Pagan,</span><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: black; font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman';"></span><p class="MsoNormal" style="background: white; margin: 0in 0in 10pt; line-height: normal; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto;"><span style="font-size: 12.5pt; color: black; font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; mso-ansi-language: EN; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman';" lang="EN">My response:<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span></span><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: black; font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman';"></span><p class="MsoNormal" style="background: white; margin: 0in 0in 10pt; line-height: normal; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto;"><span style="font-size: 12.5pt; color: black; font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; mso-ansi-language: EN; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman';" lang="EN">Dogma is the same as doctrine. Are you saying there is no doctrine in Hinduism? I think you may be right on this one though. The doctrinal views in Hinduism seem to be so uncontrollable that offshoots of this pagan belief just sprout to all directions. Islam is one of them, so as Buddhism, and the Aghoris who eat decomposing human corpses. So if one is an Atheist he’s a Hindu? You calling me ignorant for what grounds? Did I say something that’s unfounded and untrue? Pagan is what pagan does. The result is honor killing, pedophilia, (</span><span style="font-size: 12.5pt; color: black; font-family: "Times; serif: ","serif"; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman';">"In Hinduism; A man, aged thirty years, shall marry a maiden of twelve who pleases him, or a man of twenty-four a girl eight years of age; if (the performance of) his duties would (otherwise) be impeded, (he must marry) sooner. "– From the Manusmrti: Chapter 9 Verse 94.), polygamy, poverty</span><span style="font-size: 12.5pt; color: black; font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; mso-ansi-language: EN; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman';" lang="EN"> and corruption. Terrorism in Islam is probably the only evil characteristic missing in Hindusim because of its partially pacifist nature. Unfortunately, this characteristic is also the one which makes Hinduism much more vulnerable to Islam. Recently though, Hindus are starting to use the mob mentality to terrorize the Christians in India. Like I said before, pagan doctrinal views always evolve so rapidly according to their own will.</span><span style="font-size: 12.5pt; color: black; font-family: "Times; serif: ","serif"; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman';"></span><span style="font-size: 12.5pt; color: black; font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; mso-ansi-language: EN; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman';" lang="EN"></span><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: black; font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman';"></span><p class="MsoNormal" style="background: white; margin: 0in 0in 10pt; line-height: normal; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto;"><span style="font-size: 12.5pt; color: black; font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; mso-ansi-language: EN; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman';" lang="EN">Ha ha..Said: </span><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: black; font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman';"></span><p class="MsoNormal" style="background: white; margin: 0in 0in 10pt; line-height: normal; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto;"><span style="font-size: 12.5pt; color: black; font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; mso-ansi-language: EN; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman';" lang="EN">idiot. This is the problem with people of Abrahamic faiths. They think theirs alone is the truth and all others should adhere to it. </span><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: black; font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman';"></span><p class="MsoNormal" style="background: white; margin: 0in 0in 10pt; line-height: normal; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto;"><span style="font-size: 12.5pt; color: black; font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; mso-ansi-language: EN; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman';" lang="EN">My response:</span><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: black; font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman';"></span><p class="MsoNormal" style="background: white; margin: 0in 0in 10pt; line-height: normal; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto;"><span style="font-size: 12.5pt; color: black; font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; mso-ansi-language: EN; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman';" lang="EN">There you are again calling me names as if this makes you smarter than me. Truth is truth and nobody can claim it is theirs alone. It is for the whole world to see. Like I said people just refuse to see it even if it’s in front of their eyes. Why do you think Islam and Hinduism still exist today? People of Abrahamic faiths (Judeo-Christian) seem to be leading the world of today with its resourcefulness and technological advancement. I don’t see any other beliefs which surpassed it just yet. Just look at Israel for example leaving all the Muslims behind. As of the Hindus in India, can’t even clean up their sacred Ganges River themselves. It took an American woman to coordinate the massive clean-up program shown in Youtube. What’s the Hindu population in India, and why there’s only about a handful people showed up for the clean-up? What a shame.</span><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: black; font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman';"></span><p class="MsoNormal" style="background: white; margin: 0in 0in 10pt; line-height: normal; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto;"><span style="font-size: 12.5pt; color: black; font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; mso-ansi-language: EN; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman';" lang="EN">Haha…said:</span><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: black; font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman';"></span><p class="MsoNormal" style="background: white; margin: 0in 0in 10pt; line-height: normal; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto;"><span style="font-size: 12.5pt; color: black; font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; mso-ansi-language: EN; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman';" lang="EN">Much of the warfare and sufferings can be attributed to Christianity and Islam. Then again what is much difference between Christianity and Islam? A Muslim has to kill an infidel in Jihad, he can go to Heaven straight away. In Christianity too what ever be his crime all he has to do is, to ask forgiveness. All Hitler could have done is to ask forgiveness bowing before the Christ, he could have gone to Heaven too. </span><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: black; font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman';"></span><p class="MsoNormal" style="background: white; margin: 0in 0in 10pt; line-height: normal; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto;"><span style="font-size: 12.5pt; color: black; font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; mso-ansi-language: EN; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman';" lang="EN"> </span><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: black; font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman';"></span><p class="MsoNormal" style="background: white; margin: 0in 0in 10pt; line-height: normal; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto;"><span style="font-size: 12.5pt; color: black; font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; mso-ansi-language: EN; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman';" lang="EN">My response:</span><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: black; font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman';"></span><p class="MsoNormal" style="background: white; margin: 0in 0in 10pt; line-height: normal; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto;"><span style="font-size: 12.5pt; color: black; font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; mso-ansi-language: EN; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman';" lang="EN">Have you ever wondered why? Because the USA and the Christian nations is the only one who’s got the courage to face the, Nazism, Japanese Imperialism, Communism, and the Islamic onslaught whether during the crusades or even until the Islamic terrorism of today. What have you Hindus done to confront Islam and Nazism and other forms of evil? You are losing your own war against Islam inside your own country, namely; Bangladesh (lost), Pakistan (lost), and Kashmir (losing). What has Hinduism to offer to confront Islam spiritually and doctrinally? How can you destroy the doctrine of Islam intellectually when your religion itself is more absurd than the one you are trying to destroy? Islam will devour Hinduism by using both the monotheistic idea stolen from the Judeo-Christian belief (doctrinally) and the sword Islam uses to slice polytheistic pagans of Arabia’s throats (by force). In Christianity, atonement and forgiveness is the act of surrendering yourself to God and take responsibilty of what you've done. If you have murdered someone then you have to find atonement for that. One is to seek forgiveness from their families to give the family the closure they need to move on, and two is to let the authorities decide what needs to be done to you for the benefit of the society. If it is death, then you embrace it knowing you have made peace with God. </span><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: black; font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman';"></span><p class="MsoNormal" style="background: white; margin: 0in 0in 10pt; line-height: normal; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto;"><span style="font-size: 12.5pt; color: black; font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; mso-ansi-language: EN; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman';" lang="EN"> Ha ha…said:</span><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: black; font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman';"></span><p class="MsoNormal" style="background: white; margin: 0in 0in 10pt; line-height: normal; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto;"><span style="font-size: 12.5pt; color: black; font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; mso-ansi-language: EN; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman';" lang="EN">No wonder, like I said both are responsible for much of the turmoil in the past and in the present and in the future too. Now coming to Honor killings, I have not heard of it in India, but I heard it other way. In most cases children  are disowned by the family. You look like one self righteous person. A Christian talking of Buddhism is complete vulgarity.</span><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: black; font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman';"></span><p class="MsoNormal" style="background: white; margin: 0in 0in 10pt; line-height: normal; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto;"><span style="font-size: 12.5pt; color: black; font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; mso-ansi-language: EN; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman';" lang="EN">My response:</span><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: black; font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman';"></span><p class="MsoNormal" style="background: white; margin: 0in 0in 10pt; line-height: normal; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto;"><span style="font-size: 12.5pt; color: black; font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; mso-ansi-language: EN; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman';" lang="EN">The reason why you haven’t heard honor killings from India is because you refuse to look and listen to it. You probably just don’t want to see what’s going on in India with its poverty and corruption. Am I a self-righteous person? I doubt it. If you’ve just read my post carefully you would have seen my sentence that I admit I am one of those who have fallen short to the Glory of God. Why should this fact prevent me from telling the truth anyway? Who cares if I go to heaven or hell? It is not me which is the issue here. It is the false belief of Islam and Hinduism and other pagan beliefs which drive their followers to commit the horrendous act of murdering other human beings including their very own to protect false pride in which they call honor to the family. As for Buddhism, even though it is false, I have no problem with it. It’s a dormant belief. Even the communists are not threatened by it.</span><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: black; font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman';"></span><p class="MsoNormal" style="background: white; margin: 0in 0in 10pt; line-height: normal; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto;"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: black; font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; mso-ansi-language: EN; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman';" lang="EN"> </span><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: black; font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman';"></span><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt;"><span style="font-size: small; font-family: Calibri;"> </span> 

  16. Haha_000

    When you claim Hinduism, Buddhism are false beliefs you show yourself what exactly you are. Muslims equally think theirs is the truth and commit these acts of extremism. Why do you want to bring corruption in to religion? Are you saying there is no corruption in western countries? Your boasting of defeating Nazism, Communism, Japanese Imperialism shows your understanding of History. It is this kind of boasting by people like you has given the left in your nations to act as apologists for Islamic extremism. My question is would there be Nazism with out European imperialism? Will there be Communism but for the economic policies of West before good deal? Japanese Imperialism? Wasn't  Japan emulating USA or UK in its endeavor to become world dominant power? After all you have to fight to save your self.  Yes there are attacks on Christians in India, but they are not threatened. Even now they freely propagate their faith. Now if Christianity is so great how come so many people in West esp. young women, are converting to Islam? Yes there were some important failures in India with regard to Bangladesh, like inability to control immigration in to border areas. But what has it do with religion?  Your point on honor killings is thrash. This way I can claim there are honor killings in west too. Give a proof, or shut your mouth. I already said that children are disowned in such cases. More over it is your depraved culture, thanks to Hollywood, that was effecting our younger generation. Modernism is not western ism. Your talk on paganism shows again your ignorance. Last time I said you are ignorant. This time I add you are Imperialistic too. 

  17. Haha_000

    Hello Dreamland, Thanks for the links. I know north that Indian states were highly divided along caste and communal lines. Nothing can justify the honor killings. All of these mentioned were mostly inter Hindu. I could explain how politics helped to worsen these matters. But you should know that inter caste marriages do take place even in North India.  Regarding the news from outlook, I will not even look in to it. Any way its reference goes back to year 2002 and Riots in Gujarat. Outlook, during this time produced most outraged articles on Hindus. When Vinod Mehta , self righteous bastard was asked about, he said he under stands all Hindus are not responsible, but Hindus should speak up against BJP in Gujarat. But would he extend that logic to Muslims, every one knows. It is very easy and quite popular too to blame Hindus, esp. taxpaying upper castes, in this fucked up country.

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