MESSAGE TO THE ACTIVISTS WHO PLAN BURNING THE KORAN AS A PROTEST IN MEMORY OF THE ATTACK OF 11 SEPTEMBER
by van Chapman:
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I understand the symbolic meaning of burning the Koran and the hate in a Christian community towards the sometimes undeniably anti-Christ teachings of this book, in name of the ‘most merciful God’.
I understand the hate not towards any Muslim person or believer, but towards the untruth and incoherence of a teaching which tyrannically, unphilosophically, irrationally and unwiselly condemns any questioning of its holiness, condemns to death unbelievers and deserters of its prophet and belief, thus proving its very unholiness .
But to make an analogy, many TV programs all over the world encourage the vanity of power, guns and violence in our children, beyond the values of the heart, as does the Koran.
If we want to teach people to be conscious, we must not imitate the Taliban, who prohibited people to watch TV, or to be in possession of bibles.
It is better to awake reason and the consciousness of love, in our children.
To awake the awareness of what is and what is not just and coherent in human relationships,
using the very TV programs, as well the Koran or the Bible, or in fact anything we can experience in life, showing our children, including our Muslim or Christians brothers, that we can learn with one another, not only what we ought to do and how we should be, but also what we should not do and how we should not be…
It is through clarity of mind and heart that we can be really free of the authority of so called holy books, not by burning books.
Better than burning the Koran is teaching people to distinguish spiritual coherence from incoherence.
CREATING AWARENESS.
For example in this anonym beautiful account below we have a declaration of freedom and detachment from the Koran, in making public and open what is hidden, in showing the truth about its contradictions.:
Call to the Muslims of the World from a Group of Freethinkers and Humanists of Muslim Origins
Dear friends,
The tragic incidents of September 11 have shocked the world. It is
unthinkable that anyone could be so full of hate as to commit such
heinous acts and kill so many innocent people. We people of Muslim origin
are as much shaken as the rest of the world and yet we find ourselves
looked upon with suspicion and distrust by our neighbors and fellow
citizens. We want to cry out and tell the world that we are not
terrorists, and that those who perpetrate such despicable acts are
murderers and not part of us. But, in reality, because of our Muslim
origins we just cannot erase the “stigma of Islamic Terrorism” from our
identity!
What most Muslims will say: “Islam would never support the killing of
innocent people. Allah of the Holy Qur’an never advocated killings. This
is all the work of a few misguided individuals at the fringes of society.
The real Islam is sanctified from violence. We denounce all violence.
Islam means peace. Islam means tolerance.”
That is what most Muslims think, but is it true? Does Islam really preach
peace, tolerance and non-violence?
The Muslims who perpetrate these crimes think differently.
They believe that what they do is Jihad (holy war).
They say that killing unbelievers is mandatory for every Muslim.
They do not kill because they wish to break the laws of Islam but because
they think this is what true Muslims should do. Those who blow-up their
own bodies to kill more innocent people do so because they think they
will be rewarded in Paradise. They hope to be blessed by Allah, eat
celestial food, drink pure wine and enjoy the company of divine consorts.
Are they completely misguided? Where did they get this distorted idea?
How did they come to believe that killing innocent people pleases God?
Or is it that we are misguided?
Does really Islam preach violence? Does it
call upon its believers to kill non-believers?
We denounce those who commit acts of violence and call them extremists.
But are they really extremists or are they following what the holy book,
the Qur’an tells them to do?
What does the Qur’an teach? Have we read the Qur’an? Do we
know what kind of teachings are there? Let us go through some of them
and take a closer look at what Allah says.
What the Qur’an Teaches Us: We have used the most widely available
English text of the Qur’an and readers are welcome to verify our quotes
from the holy book. Please have an open mind and read through these
verses again and again. The following quotes are taken from the most
trusted Yusufali’s translation of the Qur’an.
The Qur’an tells us: “not to make friendship with Jews and Christians”
(5:51), “kill the disbelievers wherever we find them” (2:191), “murder
them and treat them harshly” (9:123), “fight and slay the Pagans, seize
them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem” (9:5).
The Qur’an demands that we fight the unbelievers, and promises “If there
are twenty amongst you, you will vanquish two hundred: if a hundred, you
will vanquish a thousand of them” (8:65) Allah and his messenger want us
to fight the Christians and the Jews “until they pay the Jizya [a penalty
tax for the non-Muslims living under Islamic rules] with willing
submission, and feel themselves subdued (9:29). ”
Allah and his messenger announce that it is acceptable to go back on our
promises (treaties) and obligations with Pagans and make war on them
whenever we find ourselves strong enough to do so (9:3). Our God tells us
to “fight the unbelievers” and “He will punish them by our hands, cover
them with shame and help us (to victory) over them” (9:14).
The Qur’an takes away the freedom of belief from all humanity and
relegates those who disbelieve in Islam to hell (5:10), calls them najis
(filthy, untouchable, impure) (9:28), and orders its followers to fight
the unbelievers until no other religion except Islam is left (2:193). It
says that the “non-believers will go to hell and will drink boiling
water” (14:17). It asks the Muslims to “slay or crucify or cut the hands
and feet of the unbelievers, that they be expelled from the land with
disgrace and that they shall have a great punishment in world hereafter”
(5:34). And tells us that “for them (the unbelievers) garments of fire
shall be cut and there shall be poured over their heads boiling water
whereby whatever is in their bowels and skin shall be dissolved and they
will be punished with hooked iron rods” (22:19-22) and that they not only
will have “disgrace in this life, but on the Day of Judgment He shall
make them taste the Penalty of burning (Fire)” (22:9).
The Qur’an says that “those who invoke a god other than Allah not only
should meet punishment in this world but the Penalty on the Day of
Judgment will be doubled to them, and they will dwell therein in
ignominy” (25:68). For those who “believe not in Allah and His Messenger,
He has prepared, for those who reject Allah, a Blazing Fire!” (48:13).
Although we are asked to be compassionate amongst each other, we have to
be “harsh with unbelievers”, our Christian, Jewish and Atheist neighbours
and colleagues (48:29). As for him who does not believe in Islam, the
Prophet announces with a “stern command”: “Seize ye him, and bind ye
him, And burn ye him in the Blazing Fire. Further, make him march in a
chain, whereof the length is seventy cubits! This was he that would not believe
in Allah Most High. And would not encourage the feeding of the indigent!
So no friend hath he here this Day. Nor hath he any food except the
corruption from the washing of wounds, Which none do eat but those in
sin.” (69:30-37)
The Qur’an prohibits a Muslim from befriending a non-believer even if
that non-believer is the father or the brother of that Muslim (9:23),
(3:28). Our holy book asks us to be disobedient towards the disbelievers
and their governments and strive against the unbelievers with great
endeavour (25:52) and be stern with them because they belong to Hell
(66:9). The holy Prophet prescribes fighting for us and tells us that “it
is good for us even if we dislike it (2:216). Then he advises us to
“strike” off the heads of the disbelievers; and after making a “wide
slaughter among them, carefully tie up the remaining captives” (47:4).
Our God has promised to “instil terror into the hearts of the
unbelievers” and has ordered us to smite above their necks and smite all
their finger-tips off them (8:12). He also assures us that when we kill
in his name “it is not us who slay them but Allah, in order that He might
test the Believers by a gracious trial from Himself” (8:17). He orders us
“to strike terror into the hearts of the enemies” (8:60). He has made the
Jihad mandatory and warns us that “Unless we go forth, (for Jihad) He
will punish us with a grievous penalty, and put others in our place
(9:39). Allah speaks to our Holy Prophet and says “O Prophet! strive hard
against the unbelievers and the hypocrites, and be stern against them.
Their abode is Hell – an evil refuge indeed ” (9:73).
He promises us that in the fight for His cause whether we slay or are
slain we return to the garden of Paradise (9:111). In Paradise he will
“wed us with Houris (celestial virgins) pure beautiful ones” (56:54), and
unite us with large-eyed beautiful ones while we recline on our thrones
set in lines (56:20). There we are promised to eat and drink pleasantly
for what we did (56:19). He also promises “boys like hidden pearls”
(56:24) and “youth never altering in age like scattered pearls” (for
those who have paedophiliac inclinations) (76:19). As you see, Allah has
promised all sorts or rewards, gluttony and unlimited sex to Muslim men
who kill unbelievers in his name. We will be admitted to Paradise where
we shall find “goodly things, beautiful ones, pure ones confined to the
pavilions that man has not touched them before nor jinni” (56:67-71).
In the West we enjoy freedom of belief but we are not supposed to give
such freedom to anyone else because it is written: If anyone desires a
religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be
accepted of him; and in the Hereafter He will be in the ranks of those
who have lost (All spiritual good) (3:85). And He orders us to fight them
on until there is no more tumult and faith in Allah is practiced
everywhere (8:39).
As for women the book of Allah says that they are inferior to men and
their husbands have the right to scourge them if they are found
disobedient (4:34). It advises to “take a green branch and beat your
wife”, because a green branch is more flexible and hurts more.(38:44). It
teaches that women will go to hell if they are disobedient to their
husbands (66:10). It maintains that men have an advantage over the women
(2:228). It not only denies the women’s equal right to their inheritance
(4:11-12), it also regards them as imbeciles and decrees that their
witness is not admissible in the courts of law (2:282). This means that a
woman who is raped cannot accuse her rapist unless she can produce a male
witness. Our Holy Prophet allows us to marry up to four wives and he
licensed us to sleep with our slave maids and as many ‘captive’ women as
we may have (4:3) even if those women are already married. He himself did
just that. This is why anytime a Muslim army subdues another nation, they
call them kafir and allow themselves to rape their women. Pakistani
soldiers allegedly raped up to 250,000 Bengali women in 1971 after they
massacred 3,000,000 unarmed civilians when their religious leader decreed
that Bangladeshis are un-Islamic. This is why the prison guards in
Islamic regime of Iran rape the women that in their opinion are apostates
prior to killing them, as they believe a virgin will not go to Hell.
Dear fellow Muslims: Is this the Islam you believe in? Is this your Most
Merciful, Most Compassionate Allah whom you worship daily? Could Allah
incite you to kill other peoples? Please understand that there is no
terrorist gene -but there could be a terrorist mindset. That mindset
finds its most fertile ground in the tenets of Islam. Denying it, and
presenting Islam to the lay public as a religion of peace similar to
Buddhism, is to suppress the truth. The history of Islam between the 7th
and 14th centuries is riddled with violence, fratricide and wars of
aggression, starting right from the death of the Prophet and during the
so-called ‘pure’ or orthodox caliphate. And Muhammad himself hoisted the
standard of killing, looting, massacres and bloodshed. How can we deny
the entire history? The behaviour of our Holy Prophet as recorded in
authentic Islamic sources is quite questionable from a modern viewpoint.
The Prophet was a charismatic man but he had few virtues. Imitating him
in all aspects of life (following the Sunnah) is both impossible and
dangerous in the 21st century. Why are we so helplessly in denial over
this simple issue?
When the Prophet was in Mecca and he was still not powerful enough he
called for tolerance. He said “To you be your religion, and to me my
religion” (109:6). This famous quote is often misused to prove that the
general principle of Qur’an is tolerance. He advised his follower to
speak good to their enemies (2: 83), exhorted them to be patient (20:103)
and said that there is no compulsion in religion (2:256). But that all
changed drastically when he came to power. Then killing and slaying
unbelievers with harshness and without mercy was justified in innumerable
verses. The verses quoted to prove Islam’s tolerance ignore many other
verses that bear no trace of tolerance or forgiveness. Where is tolerance
in this well-known verse “Alarzu Lillah, Walhukmu Lillah.” (The Earth
belongs to Allah and thus only Allah’s rule should prevail all over the
earth.).
Is it normal that a book revealed by God should have so many serious
contradictions? The Prophet himself set the example of unleashing
violence by invading the Jewish settlements, breaking treaties he had
signed with them and banishing some of them after confiscating their
belongings, massacring others and taking their wives and children as
slaves. He inspected the youngsters and massacred all those who had pubic
hair along with the men. Those who were younger he kept as slaves. He
distributed the women captured in his raids among his soldiers keeping
the prettiest for himself (33:50). He made sexual advances on Safiyah, a
Jewish girl on the same day he captured her town Kheibar and killed her
father, her husband and many of her relatives. Reyhana was another Jewish
girl of Bani Quriza whom he used as a sex slave after killing all her
male relatives. In the last ten years of his life he accumulated two
scores of wives, concubines and sex slaves including the 9 year old
Ayesha. These are not stories but records from authentic Islamic history
and the Hadiths. It can be argued that this kind of behaviour was not
unknown or unusual for the conquerors and leaders of the mediaeval world
but these are not the activities befitting of a peaceful saint and
certainly not someone who claimed to be the Mercy of God for all
creation. There were known assassinations of adversaries during the
Prophet’s time, which he had knowledge of and had supported. Among them
there was a 120 year old man, Abu ‘Afak whose only crime was to compose a
lyric satirical of the Prophet. (by Ibn Sa’d Kitab al Tabaqat al Kabir,
Volume 2, page 32) Then when a poetess, a mother of 5 small children
‘Asma’ Bint Marwan wrote a poetry cursing the Arabs for letting Muhammad
assassinate an old man, our Holy Prophet ordered her to be assassinated
too in the middle of the night while her youngest child was suckling from
her breast. (Sirat Rasul Allah (A. Guillaume’s translation “The Life of
Muhammad”) page 675, 676).
The Prophet did develop a ‘Robin Hood’ image that justified raiding
merchant caravans attacking cities and towns, killing people and looting
their belongings in the name of social justice. Usama Bin Laden is also
trying to create the same image. But Robin Hood didn’t claim to be a
prophet or a pacifist nor did he care for apologist arguments. He did not
massacre innocent people indiscriminately nor did he profit by reducing
free people to slaves and then trading them.
With the known and documented violent legacy of Islam, how can we
suddenly rediscover it as a religion of peace in the free world in the
21st century? Isn’t this the perpetuation of a lie by a few ambitious
leaders in order to gain political control of the huge and ignorant
Muslim population? They are creating a polished version of Islam by
completely ignoring history. They are propagating the same old dogma for
simple believing people in a crisp new modern package. Their aim: to gain
political power in today’s high-tension world. They want to use the
confrontational power of the original Islam to catalyse new conflicts and
control new circles of power.
Dear conscientious Muslims, please question yourselves. Isn’t this
compulsive following of a man who lived 1400 years ago leading us to doom
in a changing world? Do the followers of any other religion follow one
man in such an all-encompassing way? Who are we deceiving, them or
ourselves? Dear brothers and sisters, see how our Umma (people) has sunk
into poverty and how it lags behind the rest of the world. Isn’t it
because we are following a religion that is outdated and impractical? In
this crucial moment of history, when a great catastrophe has befallen us
and a much bigger one is lying ahead, should not we wake up from our 1400
years of slumber and see where things have gone wrong?
-Hatred has filled the air and the world is bracing itself for its
doomsday. Should we not ask ourselves whether we have contributed,
wittingly or unwittingly, to this tragedy and whether we can stop the
great disaster from happening?
Unfortunately the answer to the first question is yes. Yes we have
contributed to the rise of fundamentalism by merely claiming Islam is a
religion of peace, by simply being a Muslim and by saying our shahada
(testimony that Allah is the only God and Muhammad is his messenger). By
our shahada we have recognized Muhammad as a true messenger of God and
his book as the words of God. But as you saw above those words are
anything but from God. They call for killing, they are prescriptions for
hate and they foment intolerance. And when the ignorant among us read
those hate-laden verses, they act on them and the result is the infamous
September 11, human bombs in Israel, massacres in East Timor and
Bangladesh, kidnappings and killings in the Philippines, slavery in the
Sudan, honour killings in Pakistan and Jordan, torture in Iran, stoning
and maiming in Afghanistan and Iran, violence in Algeria, terrorism in
Palestine and misery and death in every Islamic country. We are
responsible because we endorse Islam and hail it as a religion of God.
And we are as guilty as those who put into practice what the Qur’an
preaches – and ironically we are the main victims too. If we are not
terrorists, if we love peace, if we cried with the rest of the word for
what happened in New York, then why are we supporting the Qur’an that
preaches killing, that advocates holy war, that calls for the murder of
non-Muslims? It is not the extremists who have misunderstood Islam. They
do literally what the Qur’an asks them to do. It is we who misunderstand
Islam. We are the ones who are confused. We are the ones who wrongly
assume that Islam is the religion of peace. Islam is not a religion of
peace. In its so-called “pure” form it can very well be interpreted as a
doctrine of hate. Terrorists are doing just that and we the intellectual
apologists of Islam are justifying it. We can stop this madness. Yes, we
can avert the disaster that is hovering over our heads. Yes, we can
denounce the doctrines that promote hate. Yes, we can embrace the rest of
humanity with love. Yes, we can become part of a united world, members of
one human family, flowers of one garden. We can dump the claim of
infallibility of our Book, and the questionable legacy of our Prophet.
Dear friends, there is no time to waste. Let us put an end to this lie.
Let us not fool ourselves. Islam is not a religion of peace, of
tolerance, of equality or of unity of humankind. Let us read the Qur’an.
Let us face the truth even if it is painful. As long as we keep this lie
alive, as long as we hide our head in the sands of Arabia we are feeding
terrorism. As long as you and I keep calling Qur’an the unchangeable book
of God, we cannot blame those who follow the teachings therein. As long
as we pay our Khums and Zakat our money goes to promote Islamic
expansionism and that means terrorism, Jihad and war. Islam divides the
world in two. Darul Harb (land of war) and Darul Islam (land of Islam).
Darul Harb is the land of the infidels, Muslims are required to
infiltrate those lands, proselytise and procreate until their numbers
increase and then start the war and fight and kill the people and impose
the religion of Islam on them and convert that land into Darul Islam. In
all fairness we denounce this betrayal. This is abuse of the trust. How
can we make war in the countries that have sheltered us? How can we kill
those who have befriended us? Yet willingly or unwillingly we have become
pawns in this Islamic Imperialism. Let us see what great Islamic scholars
have had to say in this respect.
Dr. M. Khan the translator of Sahih Bukhari and the Qur’an into English
wrote: “Allah revealed in Sura Bara’at (Repentance, IX) the order to
discard (all) obligations (covenants, etc), and commanded the Muslims to
fight against all the Pagans as well as against the people of the
Scriptures (Jews and Christians) if they do not embrace Islam, till they
pay the Jizia (a tax levied on the Jews and Christians) with willing
submission and feel themselves subdued (as it is revealed in 9:29). So
the Muslims were not permitted to abandon the fighting against them
(Pagans, Jews and Christians) and to reconcile with them and to suspend
hostilities against them for an unlimited period while they are strong
and have the ability to fight against them. So at first the fighting was
forbidden, then it was permitted, and after that it was made obligatory”
[Introduction to English translation of Sahih Bukhari, p.xxiv.]
Dr. Sobhy as-Saleh, a contemporary Islamic academician quoted Imam Suyuti
the author of Itqan Fi ‘Ulum al- Qur’an who wrote: “The command to fight
the infidels was delayed until the Muslims become strong, but when they
were weak they were commanded to endure and be patient”. [ Sobhy
as_Saleh, Mabaheth Fi 'Ulum al- Qur'an, Dar al-'Ilm Lel-Malayeen, Beirut,
1983, p. 269.] Dr. Sobhy, in a footnote, commends the opinion of a
scholar named Zarkashi who said: “Allah the most high and wise revealed
to Mohammad in his weak condition what suited the situation, because of
his mercy to him and his followers. For if He gave them the command to
fight while they were weak it would have been embarrassing and most
difficult, but when the most high made Islam victorious He commanded him
with what suited the situation, that is asking the people of the Book to
become Muslims or to pay the levied tax, and the infidels to become
Muslims or face death. These two options, to fight or to have peace
return according to the strength or the weakness of the Muslims.” [ibid
p. 270] Other Islamic scholars (Ibn Hazm al-Andalusi, Ga’far ar-Razi, Rabi’ Ibn
‘Ons, ‘Abil-’Aliyah, Abd ar-Rahman Ibn Zayd Ibn ‘Aslam, etc.) agree that
the verse “Slay the idolaters wherever you find them” (9:5) cancelled
those few earlier verses that called for tolerance in the Qur’an and were
revealed when Islam was weak. Can you still say that Islam is the
religion of peace? We propose a solution.
We know too well that it is not easy to denounce our faith because it
means denouncing a part of ourselves. We are a group of freethinkers and
humanists with Islamic roots. Discovering the truth and leaving the
religion of our fathers and forefathers was a painful experience. But
after learning what Islam stands for we had no choice but to leave it.
After becoming familiar with the Qur’an the choice became clear: It is
either Islam or humanity. If Islam thrives, then humanity will die. We
decided to side with humanity. Culturally we are still Muslims but we no
longer believe in Islam as the true religion of God. We are humanists. We
love humanity. We work for the unity of humankind. We work for equality
between men and women. We strive for the secularisation of Islamic
countries, for democracy and freedom of thought, belief and expression.
We decided to live no longer in self-deception but to embrace humanity,
and to enter into the new millennium hand in hand with people of other
cultures and beliefs in amity and in peace.
We denounce the violence that is eulogized in the Qur’an as holy war
(Jihad). We condemn killing in the name of God. We believe in the
sanctity of human life, not in the inviolability of beliefs and
religions. We invite you to join us and the rest of humanity and become
part of the family of humankind – in love, camaraderie and peace.
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ALTERNATIVE TO BURNING KORAN IS CREATING AWARENESS PROJECT
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Dear Pastor Terry Jones from Florida Church
We need to forgive others so that Satan cannot take advantage of us: 2 Cor 2:10-11. We are to forgive as we have been forgiven: Ephesians 4:31-32. Forgiveness is not forgetting. It is a choice, a crisis of the will. Since God requires us to forgive, it is something we can do.
Perhaps we can refer to the Bible and learn from Stephen who was martyred. As his adversaries were stoning him, Stephen prayed for their forgiveness. The best role model is our beloved Lord Jesus Christ Who took the consequences of our sins upon Himself and He cried out to our Father God when he was hanging on that old rugged cross 2000 years, to forgive all His enemies.
In Matthew 5, our beloved Lord and Saviour has said that blessed are the peacemakers for they will be called sons of God. He also said that you are the salt of the earth. But if the salt loses its saltiness, how can it be made salty again? It is no longer good for anything, except to be thrown out and trampled by men. You are the light of the world. A city on a hill cannot be hidden. 1Neither do people light a lamp and put it under a bowl. Instead they put it on its stand, and it gives light to everyone in the house. In the same way, let your light shine before men, that they may see your good deeds and praise your Father in heaven.
You have heard that it was said, 'Love your neighbor[h] and hate your enemy.' But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? And if you greet only your brothers, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
Agape
Grace
To Van Chapman;
First let me ask the following questions:
1. How come most of the articles presented against Islam and Muslims are biased and written by Jews?
2. How come all the fabricated hadith mentioned in such articles are translated and compiled by Jews?
3. How come when Israel killed, maimed, raped, and made millions of Muslim Palestinians refugees, none of you Muslim haters bother to write one single article about such atrocities?
We are waiting for an answer.
Now let us get to the article:
1. You say "Is it normal that a book revealed by God should have so many serious
Contradictions?"
False. No contradictions have been found in the Quran. Some claim that there are some contradiction in the Quran. However, none is proven to be accurate.
2. You say “The Prophet himself set the example of unleashing
Violence by invading the Jewish settlements,"
False. The prophet only fought in self defense.
3. You say " the Prophet breaking treaties he had
signed with them and banishing some of them after confiscating their
belongings, massacring others and taking their wives and children as
slaves.
False. Jews broke treaties they signed and conspired to kill the Prophet. The Prophet acted in self defense.
5. He inspected the youngsters and massacred all those who had pubic
hair along with the men. Those who were younger he kept as slaves. He
distributed the women captured in his raids among his soldiers keeping
the prettiest for himself.
Historical facts do not reflect and agree with such story. More fabrication without stating the true and actual facts.
6. You say "He made sexual advances on Safiyah, a Jewish girl on the same day he captured her town Kheibar and killed her father, her husband and many of her relatives. Reyhana was another Jewish girl of Bani Quriza whom he used as a sex slave after killing all her male relatives.
False. Historical facts do not reflect and agree with such story. Why don't you spice it up some more and make it more dramatic? Isn't that what many Jews love to do? Of course.
7. You say "In the last ten years of his life he accumulated two scores of wives, concubines and sex slaves"
There is nothing wrong with marriage. Islam forbids slavery. The prophet had no slaves. Get your facts straight.
As usual, deception, fabrication, lies and taking words out of context, are always a trade mark of Jewish writers. Some time ago Jewish writers used to get away with such deceitful tactics. They have been able to fool some people (the ignorant), but not all of the people (the educated).
Not anymore.
The problem now is that if this pastor decides against his plan, simply because of violent threats from muslims, it will only embolden muslims to make more such threats to control freedom, which could mean bigger threats to increasingly smaller incidents. So, in order to show them that they cannot use threats to control the right to free speech and expression, I think the pastor needs to carry out what he has promised.
IslamDevotee
Brother, you are living a lie. Or maybe your brain doesn't allow you to see the truth. When Muhammad died, I think he had forty some slaves (if my memory of Hadith helps me here). He was a rapist and a mass murderer. Only a person like you would believe that beheading all men of Bani Qurayza is justified. Let us say the leaders of the tribe did go against the prophet (this is historically false though), why kill all?
But again, everything you read that put Muhammad in bad light, you'll say its fabricated. Good luck to you brother
IslamDevotee,
Muhammad was not a prophet;from you own words you say that He fought in self defense and that he chastised those who had broken treaties.
Fighting and signing of treaties is not the work of prophets in any society.Real prophets do not do the two.
IslamDevoteee,name at least any prophet,oracle,soothsayer ,sorcerer etc whom you know ever committed this two acts.And only then I can consider the quran to be a spiritual book.
Rasool of Allah was born a trader and died a trader.
@islamdevotee
You said "There is nothing wrong with marriage. Islam forbids slavery. The prophet had no slaves. Get your facts straight."
Try telling that to the people of Chad, Mauritania, Niger, Mali and Sudan who are currently slaves to Muslims.
In order for Muslims to say they are non-racists, they need to abolish Slavery as a whole and across the world. It is a blight for all Muslims if even one society of Muslims hold slaves. The prophet did have slaves and the Koran says so. If you are refuting that Mohammad had slaves, you are refuting the Koran and therefore you are Apostate.
I disagree that the pastor who has taken the courageous step in burning Koran has to stand down. It is the principle that is involved. Yes, Islam is the enemy; muslims are not our enemies and are the victims of the cult. Kuran symbolizes islam and that is why symbolic burning of Kuran is acceptable. If we can burn all other sacred texts, why should Kuran be any special? If we can burn the american flag, dip a cross in urine and call it art, encourage nude paintings of hindu goddesses or show Gautama the Buddha snorting cocaine (animated cartoon), why should we hold islamic symbolism with undeserved respect?
The well-intentioned thought expounded by the above article, i.e. "let us not be like Taliban" leads us into a trap. Are we now equating the burning of the book of hate with the atrocities and crimes committed by the Taliban? Even trying to compare the two is a travesty because now you got us thinking of Taliban and burning Kuran in the same sentence.
Several years ago, I was reading a marxist strategy guide on the web. One of their main strategies is to keep holding their opposition to unrealistic standards while they continue with the agenda eg: in this case Islamists and their big-brother- left-wing collaborators will keep crying victimhood, deny the basic freedom to kafirs, use the western idea of fairness, democracy and freedom to propagate their cult and keep threatening those who oppose them, while they keep us, the humanists, kafirs and free-thinkers, in the trap of holding us to a different standards
To me and many others burning the kuran is symbolic defiance of Islam and islamic fascism. No humans or animals will be hurt during the protest. Islam is like a cult on rhoids and we ought to explore every which way to defy and anhilate this cult rather than limiting ourselves only to appeals and massaging islamist ego. As more and more people become defiant of these anachronistic symbolism of Islam, it will encourage the humanists within the the cult of Islam to defy the bigots and fanatics in their faith and hopefully bring islam to the future from the 7th century bedouin tents
http://newstime.co.nz/pastor-terry-jones-burn-the…
Pastor Terry Jones tells also the ugly truth about the Quran, according to many surahs
in his book "ISLAM IS of the DEVIL"
But it seems, that he will also show optically the world in rememberance of 9/11 victims,
what he held about the shit Quran. He place himself on the same level with Muslims (burning American flags with calls "Death to Amecrica")
But by way of exception .. never mind
[...] MESSAGE TO THE ACTIVISTS WHO PLAN BURNING THE KORAN AS A PROTEST IN MEMORY OF THE ATTACK OF 11 SEPTE… To burn or not to burn Afghans chant “death to America,” claim Obama behind Florida Qur’an-burning Once again: This church’s plan to burn the Qur’an on September 11 is stupid…. On the Burning of the Quran …Burning the Quran is not new in Islam. Their 3rd Caliph and the son-in-law of Muhammad, Othman, had burned the 6 out of 7 versions of the Quran, while compiling the version that exist today…. [...]
I also disagree that the Good Pastor who has taken the courageous step in proposing burning Quran has to stand down or must be made to do so. One would think by the general outcry, tears of disbelief and objections that the Good Pastor was advocating the burning of the sentient, life itself.
One does not overcome or persuade one’s death dealing opponents by ceasing that which causes your opponents to realize the vileness of their own actions and thought. Christian Bibles, Churches and indeed Christians and other people’s religious sensibilities, structures and Holy Books are confiscated, assaulted, demolished and denied every day by those that confess an adherence to the Pagan Islamic God.
The pale excuse of the marginal that these are not really pious Muslims, doing these vile things are not convincing and stealthily lingers far from the actual truth of the matter at hand.
Faith and religious belief of themselves are not necessarily bad things however when such reaches to veiled compulsion to silence its critics it must not be ignored, but fought against and eliminated. Usually not a whimper is heard from those that now plead for clemency and fair dealing for the indecipherable, fragmentary and nonsensically deadly, so-called holy paper and ink of the supposed pagan Islamic Creator of the Universe.
There is no demonstrable or verifiable proof for the actual existence of the Pagan Islamic God or any God whatsoever; such is supported only by belief and faith. And it is pass time that humanity clearly acknowledges that. Lest we beat each other into oblivion, in unreasonable obeisance to that which can not be shown to actually exist. Gods that exist only by way of opinion and belief are pious fabrications and not fact.
I also agree that creating awareness of the vagaries and belligerency of the Islamic pursuit of world wide domination and its attendant menace to humanity is also necessary.
Being submissive and reasonable while one’s opponent kicks the crap out of you and slaps the snot out of your nose is an act too devoid of logic to bear for long. Just ask Theo Van Gogh, he tried reason, did it work!
Pastor Terry Jones is doing for him, the correct thing; he must play his part as we all must do also. Even if the Good Pastor is some how dissuaded from his purposes, he will inspire others in the pursuit of that which threatens us all.
Does reasoning with the Islamic menace save the magnificent ancient Buddhist art works and religious icons consigned to oblivion by Islam, no it does not! Such Islamic so called Godly works of destruction continues. Where is the sustained outcry over this unreasonable sacrilege!
Educating humanity to the vagaries and brutalities of the Pagan Islamic God is worthwhile also, however not to the exclusion of all other avenues of redress.
Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.
Agracean, you are an expert in taqiyya, aren't you? you yourself do not believe in christianity, but you point out to others the 'forgive the enemies' stuff from the bible because you know it will weaken them against Islam.
And I don't understand why people respond to this islamwreckeddevotee. don't we know from months of dealing with him that he is on this website only to spam and puke.
We all know Christians are cowards they talk big , bark loud but can't bite , just like any rabid dog.
The burning of holy Koran is just a hoax . After 9/11 the whole world came to know about the might of Islam.
It is Islam which will rule the world.
No-one can burn Koran —–read the following…….
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/arti…
Regarding the message from Van Chapman, besides agreeing with the points raised by commentators above, Freedom of Expression is a value that any freedom loving (or desiring) society must hold dear. The pastor, by burning the quran, is only expressing something (whatever he is claiming it to be), even if his act offends someone. Freedom to be able to offend IS true Freedom of Expression. All the other versions of Freedom of Expression are nonsense, and WILL NOT protect the people from evil and powerful forces.
Americans needed to protect Comedy Central when they made the 'offending' cartoons. But comedy central had to back down, to protect the security of their emloyees. In other words, americans FAILED to uphold their values and protect the rights of comedy central. and this is only one example. In the last ten years that I have been observing, americans have failed many times in upholding their values, thanks mostly to their own leaders and the complacency of its citizens. americans have lost a lot of their rights that now only sit on paper. Fortunately, opportunities keep coming, and the quran burning is one such very good opportunity.
Sticking to values is what makes a people strong and powerful. Look at the Taliban, how they just fail to finish off. It is because they stick to their values however ridiculous those values are. or look at the muslims sticking to their crappy values. with less than five percent of america's population they strongly influence what the media does, what our politicians do, and what our government does. This lesson is the best thing that I have learnt from Islam and muslims.
The westerners are lucky to have sensible values and should do everything that's needed to protect them. And I am talking western 'people', not the politicians. politicians only do what "people sticking to their demands" want get done.
Would their be retaliatory acts because of quran-burning? you bet yes there will be. There will be such acts against the troops stationed in the muslim countries, there will be acts against the pastor and his church, there will be acts against westerners and americans in particular, and more including crippling lawsuits. and I bet the most damaging of this retaliation will be through our own media, our own leaders, and our own govenment.
The ball currently is in the hands of American PEOPLE. Are we going to protect our values and hence protect the right of Terry Jones to express himself, even if it means risking life and risking lawsuits? Are we going to make it clear to the world that our values are more important than whatever holy books they belive?
If yes, then imagine how strong and powerful that would make us as a nation. Imagine just fifty percent of Americans sticking to their values…… The media will then seem to be from another place and time. The politicians will then always seem be doing what's best for citizens in the long run.
If no, then i would like you to to take a look at what's going on in europe and what's going on in countries like India and southern thailand. Those are places where people do not even know what "values" is, and they hold their safety and security above anything else. Like one wise man said "Those who give up their Liberty for safety and security, end up with neither liberty nor security".
To Ibn Kammuna ;
You say "When Muhammad died, I think he had forty some slaves (if my memory of Hadith helps me here). He was a rapist and a mass murderer."
False. You are relying on some hadith attributed to the Prophet that has not proven to be authentic.
Anyone interested in the truth should rely on the following criteria to ensure that any hadith attributed to the prophet passed the checked list below:
1. Must check the reliability of the statements made by people who heard the prophet.
2. Must check the statements made by those people to ensure that the statements are not subject to flaws due to a person’s memory or perception.
3. Must check to make sure that the person did not have any errors with narration when recounting an event.
4. Must check to make sure the hadith is based on common sense and logic.
5. Must check if the hadith is related to some verse in the Quran.
When a hadith passes all of the above then it is considered to be authentic and accurate.
“ Freedom to be able to offend IS true Freedom of Expression. All the other versions of Freedom of Expression are nonsense, and WILL NOT protect the people from evil and powerful forces”.- battameez says: September 9, 2010 at 5:38 pm
Nice! True and well said!
“ The burning of holy Koran is just a hoax ”. – Omarkhalif says: September 9, 2010 at 4:23 pm
You can well be assured that the burning of the fragmentary, cobbled together, largest to smallest chapters by arrangement and self – contradictory make believe book of the Pagan Islamic God is susceptible to fire.
It burns to ash as surely as any other ordinary piece of paper does. No hoax was or is involved at all. Try it yourself and you will see that such is true and is no fabrication nor hoax but fact. I have witnessed such myself and was a willing participant without compulsion to such.
“ It is Islam which will rule the world.” – Omarkhalif says: September 9, 2010 at 4:23 pm
Creating awareness of the vagaries and belligerency of the Islamic pursuit of world wide domination and its attendant menace to humanity is also necessary, however not to the exclusion of all other avenues of redress.
islamdevotee says: "First let me ask the following questions:
1. How come most of the articles presented against Islam and Muslims are biased and written by Jews?
2. How come all the fabricated hadith mentioned in such articles are translated and compiled by Jews?
3. How come when Israel killed, maimed, raped, and made millions of Muslim Palestinians refugees, none of you Muslim haters bother to write one single article about such atrocities?
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1&2. Jew hatred really is endemic in Islam isn't it? Most authors aren't Jews in fact, many here are apostasized Muslims (except that I suppose you think they are REALLY Jews-in-disguise).
The Hadith we quote are from that well known "Jewish" organisation the Muslim Students Association at the University of Southern California, that's just sooo Jewish isn't it.
3. There never were "millions of Palestinian refugees" never mind millions killed and/or raped. (If Israel had done that there wouldn't BE a "palestinian problem" since their would be no "palestinians".) The total number of refugees in 1947 was just over 700,000, according to UNWRA. That's still a lot, but there is another important point to be made. Many of them became refugess because the Arab nations asked them to flee the war zone so that they (the Arab armies) didn't have to worry about killing their "brother muslims"; in other words the Arab aim was to make "Palestine" a "free-fire" zone where every and any person could be considered a target.
The fact that there are now a notional 4.7 million refugess is due to the (frankly ludicrous) UNRWA precedent of counting ALL the descendants of refugees (wherever they live) as "refugees".
(If you don't understand WHY this is a ludicrous precedent apply it to another "refugee" population -eg the Jews – and work out the consequences. More generally, if applied "across the board" it would almost certainly mean that every person would have a "right of return" to anywhere on the planet.)
Finally, what happened in 1947 is history rather than current affairs, so we'd hardly be writing about it now.
If you want to trade refugee populations, I submit the 1,000,000+ Armenians forced out by Turkey, and the rapine and murder endemic in that.
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Brief replies to your points:
1. Was man originally created from clay (15:26), dust (3:59) or nothing at all (19:67, 52:35) as just one example.
2&3. Here we go again, it's all the fault of the Jews! This is typical Islamic Apologetics/anti-semitism, but as you might say "Historical facts do not reflect and agree with such story"
(there is no #4)
5,6,7. These facts are well attested in the Sahih Ahadith of Bukhari and Muslim. I cannot let this pass without further comment: "Islam forbids slavery." To state that shows that you are in utter ignorance of Islamic history (if nothing worse).
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With regard to your hadith criteria:
Points 1 to 3 are well taken – Sahih and Sunan Hadith pass these.
4. Must check to make sure the hadith is based on common sense and logic.
Not so, there can be no requirement for this, at least not in today's terms, otherwise you reduce your Theology to a "god of the gaps".
5. Must check if the hadith is related to some verse in the Quran.
Not so. This is too vague. What is required is that the Hadith does not contradict an Islamic doctrine. Further, since both Koran and Hadith assert the doctrine of "Abrogation", you cannot even say that the Hadith must not contradict a verse of the Koran.
[...] MESSAGE TO THE ACTIVISTS WHO PLAN BURNING THE KORAN AS A PROTEST … [...]
jonmc says: September 9, 2010 at 8:06 pm –“ Gods of the Gaps” – Nice! and exceeding appropriate retorts.
Is there something humanity does not understand, just stick God in that gap! That is an excellent post and refutation over all reference supposed Islamic subjective criteria to acceptability of Hadith.
Sahih Bukhari Dealing with Apostates Volume 9, Book 84, Number 57: Narrated 'Ikrima: Some Zanadiqa (Disbelievers) were brought to 'Ali ibn Talib and he burnt them. The news of this event, reached Ibn 'Abbas who said, " If I had been in his place, I would not have burnt them, as Allah's Apostle forbade it, saying, ' Do not punish anybody with Allah's punishment (fire).' I would have killed them according to the statement of Allah's Apostle, 'Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.'"
Humanity cries salt tears over burning of paper and ink, meanwhile burning of people is conveniently overlooked and dismissed.
ok guys, just a couple of hours after my last comment, the Florida pastor canceled the quran burning event (News Link below). So he was doing it just for attention. I thought he was gonna burn qurans because Islam was of the devil. Now that his stunt is traded in, is Islam no longer of the devil? Now I'm not a christian, but could someone tell me what "selling your soul to the devil" means. After all, i heard that from the christians.
do we have our values just so we can trade them for something else, like switching the location of the NY mosque disguised as a cultural centre. Is it not an insult to every american who died no matter where a mosque is built in the US.
I was hoping we would show the world that when they wanted support for free speech, they could automatically count on America. Now they will count on us for being excellent negotiaters who know the best time to trade in the values.
Good Luck to Americans with such respect for their values. and I did some research and found out the wise man's name was Benjamin Franklin who said "Those who give up (trade in) their Liberty for security DESERVE NEITHER Liberty nor security".
http://www.voanews.com/english/news/US-Church-Can…
To jonmc;
You say "The Hadith we quote are from that well known “Jewish” organisation the Muslim Students Association at the University of Southern California, that’s just sooo Jewish isn’t it."
False. The hadith you are quoting is compiled by "Center for Muslim-Jewish Engagement" which is well known to be a biased Jewish organization against Islam. Get your facts straight and stop fabricationg.
To jonmc;
1. You say "Points 1 to 3 are well taken – Sahih and Sunan Hadith pass these."
False. Some fabricated hadith attributed to the prophet did not pass the check list.
2. You say "you reduce your Theology to a “god of the gaps”."
False. Unlike other religions, Islam makes it all make sense.
3. You say "You cannot even say that the Hadith must not contradict a verse of the Koran."
False. There are no contradictions what so ever neither in the authentic hadith nor the Quran.
Once again;
Anyone interested in the truth should rely on the following criteria to ensure that any hadith attributed to the prophet passed the checked list below:
1. Must check the reliability of the statements made by people who heard the prophet.
2. Must check the statements made by those people to ensure that the statements are not subject to flaws due to a person’s memory or perception.
3. Must check to make sure that the person did not have any errors with narration when recounting an event.
4. Must check to make sure the hadith is based on common sense and logic.
5. Must check if the hadith is related to some verse in the Quran.
When a hadith passes all of the above then it is considered to be authentic and accurate.
@battameez, you said: "Agracean, you are an expert in taqiyya, aren’t you? you yourself do not believe in christianity, but you point out to others the ‘forgive the enemies’ stuff from the bible because you know it will weaken them against Islam."
Mr battameez, please be informed that a kind, beautiful and intelligent Christian lady like me don't need to be an expert in taqiyya at all because of the fact that I'm not a Muslim. By the way, I'm a humble believer and worshipper of my beloved Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ.
I think that you are mistaken about my good intentions here. It is the true and living God of Ibrahim, Ishaq and Yaqoob Who has instructed me and all His followers to forgive and love all our enemies, so that we can put all our adversaries to shame of their evil deeds and insanities and to show them that their Allah is not perfect and this fake god has no Godly standards or principles at all!
By the way, please note that forgiveness is not a sign of weakness and those who dare to forgive their enemies are not weaklings too. Those terrorists who kill innocent people or seek revenge in the name of this fake god, Allah and his insane false prophet, are weaklings who felt totally insecure and helpless when some truthful and honest human beings, by the grace of the true and living God, digged out all the lies and deceptions found in the Quran which is the most important book of their religion of lies and deceptions and exposed them to the world. Anyway, victory belongs to the Way, the Truth and the Life. Amen.
@ Omarkhalif , you said: "We all know Christians are cowards they talk big , bark loud but can’t bite , just like any rabid dog."
Please explain in what ways are you better than cowards? Maybe you are ignorant of the fact that you might be worst than any cowards! LOL.
Real cowards are those radical muslim eg. Osama bin laden, who commanded their fellow muslim brothers or sisters to blow themselves up, in the name of Allah and his false prophet who in turn, promised them 72 virgins and sex without limit in Allah's halal heaven while he himself sits back and watch the drama!
FROM PASTOR JONES NOW REMOVED WEBISTE;
On 9/11/10 we are burning Korans to raise awareness and warn. In a sense it is neither an act of love nor of hate. We see, as we state in the Ten Reasons below, that Islam is a danger. We are using this act to warn about the teaching and ideology of Islam, which we do hate as it is hateful. We do not hate any people, however. We love, as God loves, all the people in the world and we want them to come to a knowledge of the truth. To warn of danger and harm is a loving act. God is love and truth. If you know the truth it can set you free. The world is in bondage to the massive grip of the lies of Islam. These are:
One
The Koran teaches that Jesus Christ, the Crucified, Risen Son of God, King of Kings and Lord of Lords was NOT the Son of God, nor was he crucified (a well documented historical fact that ONLY Islam denies). This teaching removes the possibility of salvation and eternal life in heaven for all Islam's believers. They face eternal damnation in hell if they do not repent.
Two
The Koran does not have an eternal origin. It is not recorded in heaven. The Almighty God, Creator of the World, is NOT it's source. It is not holy. It's writings are human in origin, a concoction of old and new teachings. This has been stated and restated for centuries by scholars since Islam's beginnings, both Moslem and non-Moslem.
Three
The Koran's teaching includes Arabian idolatry, paganism, rites and rituals. These are demonic, an ongoing satanic stronghold under which Moslems and the world suffer.
Four
The earliest writings that are known to exist about the Prophet Mohammad were recorded 120 years after his death. All of the Islamic writings (the Koran and the Hadith, the biographies, the traditions and histories) are confused, contradictory and inconsistent. Maybe Mohammad never existed. We have no conclusive account about what he said or did. Yet Moslems follow the destructive teachings of Islam without question.
Five
Mohammad's life and message cannot be respected. The first Meccan period of his leadership seems to have been religiously motivated and a search for the truth. But in the second Medina period he was "corrupted by power and worldly ambitions." (Ibn Warraq) These are characteristics that God hates. They also led to political assassinations and massacres which continue to be carried out on a regular basis by his followers today.
Six
Islamic Law is totalitarian in nature. There is no separation of church and state. It is irrational. It is supposedly immutable and cannot be changed. It must be accepted without criticism. It has many similarities to Nazism, Communism and Fascism. It is not compatible with Western Civilization.
Seven
Islam is not compatible with democracy and human rights. The notion of a moral individual capable of making decisions and taking responsibility for them does not exist in Islam. The attitude towards women in Islam as inferior possessions of men has led to countless cases of mistreatment and abuse for which Moslem men receive little or no punishment, and in many cases are encouraged to commit such acts, and are even praised for them. This is a direct fruit of the teachings of the Koran.
Eight
A Muslim does not have the right to change his religion. Apostasy is punishable by death.
Nine
Deep in the Islamic teaching and culture is the irrational fear and loathing of the West.
Ten
Islam is a weapon of Arab imperialism and Islamic colonialism. Wherever Islam has or gains political power, Christians, Jews and all non-Moslems receive persecution, discrimination, are forced to convert. There are massacres and churches, synagogues, temples and other places of worship are destroyed.
The best way to make Islam unpopular is by publicizing the immoral life of Mohhamad and exposing the contradictions,falsities,exhortation to violence and murder in the koran and hadith with relevant quotes.No commentary is required or should be given.Just like no one needs to be told that rubbish is rubbish,similarly the fraud and organised crime on humanity that is the koran will become evident.
Muslims should also be given the same rights and freedoms in non muslim countries as is given to
non muslims in saudi arabia the cradle of Islam.They cannot complain of that?or can they?
Burning of koran and such actions will not serve any good purpose.Just follow good muslims in saudi arabia.The lesson will be better and more meaningful.
@bharatindia — You say very sensible stuff except that it is impractical. i mean, 'who' is going to bell the cat? you and i do not run things here. our leaders run things but they treat muslims with kid gloves; all you have to do is look at their reactions towards the quran burning. Who is going to "follow good muslims in saudi arabia" — like you say.
But there is one thing that we CAN do, and that is burn the quran. If is a form of expression and is protected by the constitution for everyone in the US. However, this right of americans is fast being eroded by its own media and its own leaders.
You say: "Burning of koran and such actions will not serve any good purpose."
Well I beg to totally disagree. Such actions are what is needed to counter Islam. you see, Freedom is the exact opposite of Islam (submission), like God is the opposite of Satan. and out of all the freedoms, Freedom of Expression is the most powerful of weapons (recall Brahma-stra of hindu mythology). Burning the quran and other such actions(that do not directly harm anyone) ARE what will serve the good purpose.
For a brief understanding of Freedom of Expression as permitted by US constitution, click this link:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-1125441…
Islam is not a religion, nor is it a cult. In its fullest form, it is a complete, total, 100% system of life.
Islam has religious, legal, political, economic, social, and military components. The religious component is a beard for all of the other components.
Islamization begins when there are sufficient Muslims in a country to agitate for their religious privileges.
When politically correct, tolerant, and culturally diverse societies agree to Muslim demands for their religious privileges, some of the other components tend to creep in as well.
Here's how it works:
As long as the Muslim population remains around or under 2% in any given country, they will be for the most part be regarded as a peace-loving minority, and not as a threat to other citizens. This is the case in:
United States — Muslim 0.6%
Australia — Muslim 1.5%
Canada — Muslim 1.9%
China — Muslim 1.8%
Italy — Muslim 1.5%
Norway — Muslim 1.8%
At 2% to 5%, they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups, often with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs. This is happening in:
Denmark — Muslim 2%
Germany — Muslim 3.7%
United Kingdom — Muslim 2.7%
Spain — Muslim 4%
Thailand — Muslim 4.6%
From 5% on, they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population. For example, they will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature halal on their shelves — along with threats for failure to comply. This is occurring in:
France — Muslim 8%
Philippines — 5%
Sweden — Muslim 5%
Switzerland — Muslim 4.3%
The Netherlands — Muslim 5.5%
Trinidad & Tobago — Muslim 5.8%
At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves (within their ghettos) under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islamists is to establish Sharia law over the entire world.
When Muslims approach 10% of the population, they tend to increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions. In Paris, we are already seeing car-burnings. Any non-Muslim action offends Islam and results in uprisings and threats, such as in Amsterdam, with opposition to Mohammed cartoons and films about Islam. Such tensions are seen daily, particularly in Muslim sections in:
Guyana — Muslim 10%
India — Muslim 13.4%
Israel — Muslim 16%
Kenya — Muslim 10%
Russia — Muslim 15%
After reaching 20%, nations can expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings, and the burnings of Christian churches and Jewish synagogues, such as in:
Ethiopia — Muslim 32.8%
At 40%, nations experience widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks, and ongoing militia warfare, such as in:
Bosnia — Muslim 40%
Chad — Muslim 53.1%
Lebanon — Muslim 59.7%
From 60%, nations experience unfettered persecution of non-believers of all other religions (including non-conforming Muslims), sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon, and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels, such as in:
Albania — Muslim 70%
Malaysia — Muslim 60.4%
Qatar — Muslim 77.5%
Sudan — Muslim 70%
After 80%, expect daily intimidation and violent jihad, some State-run ethnic cleansing, and even some genocide, as these nations drive out the infidels, and move toward 100% Muslim, such as has been experienced and in some ways is on-going in:
Bangladesh — Muslim 83%
Egypt — Muslim 90%
Gaza — Muslim 98.7%
Indonesia — Muslim 86.1%
Iran — Muslim 98%
Iraq — Muslim 97%
Jordan — Muslim 92%
Morocco — Muslim 98.7%
Pakistan — Muslim 97%
Palestine — Muslim 99%
Syria — Muslim 90%
Tajikistan — Muslim 90%
Turkey — Muslim 99.8%
United Arab Emirates — Muslim 96%
100% will usher in the peace of 'Dar-es-Salaam' — the Islamic House of Peace. Here there's supposed to be peace, because everybody is a Muslim, the Madrasses are the only schools, and the Koran is the only word, such as in:
Afghanistan — Muslim 100%
Saudi Arabia — Muslim 100%
Somalia — Muslim 100%
Yemen — Muslim 100%
Unfortunately, peace is never achieved, as in these 100% states the most radical Muslims intimidate and spew hatred, and satisfy their blood lust by killing less radical Muslims, for a variety of reasons.
'Before I was nine I had learned the basic canon of Arab life. It was me against my brother; me and my brother against our father; my family against my cousins and the clan; the clan against the tribe; the tribe against the world, and all of us against the infidel. — Leon Uris, 'The Haj'
It is important to understand that in some countries, with well under 100% Muslim populations, such as France, the minority Muslim populations live in ghettos, within which they are 100% Muslim, and within which they live by Sharia Law. The national police do not even enter these ghettos. There are no national courts, nor schools, nor non-Muslim religious facilities. In such situations, Muslims do not integrate into the community at large. The children attend madrasses. They learn only the Koran. To even associate with an infidel is a crime punishable with death. Therefore, in some areas of certain nations, Muslim Imams and extremists exercise more power than the national average would indicate.
Today's 1.5 billion Muslims make up 22% of the world's population. But their birth rates dwarf the birth rates of Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, Jews, and all other believers. Muslims will exceed 50% of the world's population by the end of this century.
Adapted from Dr. Peter Hammond's book: Slavery, Terrorism and Islam: The Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat
I'd like to quote Imam Rauf (a gent who requires no introduction) who whilst speaking on the issue of Koran burning said: "With freedom comes responsibility.This is dangerous to our national security and is also the un-Christian thing to do. Jesus said to 'love your enemy'. We are not your enemy."
Well now, I totally agree with his first sentence; it's just a pity that he will not apply it to the Ground Zero Mosque/Cordoba House/Park51 "initiative.
He accurately quotes Jesus too, he did say "love your enemies". Not a sentiment that the good Imam, being a good Mussalman, would apply to his enemies.
I'll even agree that burning the Koran is un-Christian – or at least a-Christian.
As for Muslims not being our enemies, well I'll take that under advisement since the Koran declares (4:101) non-Muslims to be enemies of the Muslims.
But I have a question: why is burning the Koran "dangerous to national security"?
Answer: because Muslims will react violently and kill people (as has already happened)?
So we have the usual Islamic narrative, albeit in disguised form: "Don't annoy us or we'll kill you" (or someone and blame you).
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To Islamdevotee:
firstly, it might help if you actually READ my posting before "answering" it or, come to that, checked sources.
The sources USED by CRCC are COMPILED by the MSA. They can also be checked against other sources and the translations are accurate.
So to use your own phrase: "Get your facts straight and stop fabricationg [sic]."
You then say "Some fabricated hadith attributed to the prophet did not pass the check list."
Are you referring to Hadith authenticated as Sahih by Bukhari and Muslim?
Who has the authority to declare a Sahih Hadith as "fabricated"?
I know of no serious Islamic scholar who does so.
You can't decide a Hadith is "fabricated" because you don't like it!
My point about "god of the gaps" has nothing to do with whether or not "it all make[s] sense" it has to do with rejection of sacred text (hadith) on the basis "oh dear, we now know that's wrong" or "bother, science has contradicted that".
Do you deny the Koranic doctrine of "Abrogation" as set out in the Koran, Sura 2, Ayat 106?
If so you are guilty of "Bidr" brother!
Again you miss my point: some verses of the Koran are abrogated, therefore you can find Hadith that contradict one Ayat in the Koran whilst agreeing with another.
To narnian: I agree with your comment. That pastor is a "pussy" and a traitor to America. I wonder who threatened him, and/or how much money he was paid to "back off"? If I had a church, and I was a pastor, I would do a public burning of the koran. To hell with you muslim radicals. It's about time that people expose you bloody monsters of "love and peace". And, I wouldn't back down to nobody, even to the muslim president. "Kiss my ass – you are not my dictator – this is America, pal", I would tell him. This is America, not a communist dictatorship country. To hell with islam and you radicals.
islamdevotee says:
As usual, Muslim haters can’t understand and use logic to comprehend and face the issues, they use profanity
I say:
I'm using Freedom of Speech to express my feelings towards your bloodthirsty god, your retarded prophet, and your backwards and uncivilized religion.
As for logic anyone who thinks you bring indepth and scholarly knowledge to this site is either an imbacile or a brainwashed zombie ( Muslim ).
Vagina-shaped-Black-Stone-worshipper/licker Omarkhalif said:
"We all know Christians are cowards they talk big , bark loud but can’t bite , just like any rabid dog.
The burning of holy Koran is just a hoax . After 9/11 the whole world came to know about the might of Islam.
It is Islam which will rule the world."
Kind Paedophile sucker, may I tell you I have peed a lot on your horny book, and I intend to black dog's or donkey's poo with it. I'll be doing a favour to the whole of Mankind!
Speaking of Mankind, I guess Pisslam already rules… The Planet of Apes! Have you ever been to Apegangistan? Or Porkystan? Allah the Moon God mercy is upon the believers, She is washing the believers away to the Sewage!
Why US government could not have stopped the Koran bonfire
BBC News, Washington
The United States stands apart from many other Western democracies in priding itself on a near absolute commitment to allowing freedom of speech.
It is enshrined in the First Amendment to the US constitution, alongside the right to free exercise of religion.
"Congress shall make no law… abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble," the relevant passage says.
Deeply ingrained in the American psyche, these rights are seen almost as a matter of national identity.
"The fundamental principle is that the government cannot restrict speech based on its content, even if an audience finds it offensive," says Prof Tim Zick, a First Amendment specialist from the William and Mary Law School.
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"A speaker's autonomy to express himself – even in this deeply offensive manner – is, if not sacrosanct, then very highly regarded."
As a nation, he says, America has made a very different calculation about the protection of the speaker versus the dignity of the audience than many countries in Europe. America prioritises the autonomy of the speaker.
Denying the Holocaust, for example, is illegal in 16 European countries. Germany has banned the production and dissemination of pro-Nazi material.
But in the US, the courts have protected the rights of Nazis to express their views.
In one well-known case, the Supreme Court invoked the First Amendment to uphold the right of a neo-Nazi group to march through the predominantly Jewish town of Skokie, Illinois, and display swastikas.
Symbolic messages
The courts have decided that speech encompasses a wide array of non-verbal actions intended to communicate a message. That means symbolic acts such as the burning of a cross or Bible are protected under the free speech clause.
"Generally the first amendment protects offensive, repugnant and even hateful speech," says David Hudson, a scholar at the First Amendment Center in Washington DC.
Many outside America wonder why the US government could not have stopped Pastor Jones's bonfire That is why, in America, demonstrators can legally burn the American flag or the Ku Klux Klan can burn crosses, even though such activities can both outrage and offend.
"Even with respect to one of our most sacred symbols – the American flag – burning is lawful," says Mr Zick.
Such protections exist only up to a point. When speech crosses the line into threats which may directly incite violence or lawlessness, the First Amendment no longer applies.
Mr Hudson stresses that for legal purposes a threat must be imminent. "You have to show the immediacy of harm," he says.
For example, a Ku Klux Klansman may legally burn a cross on his own property as a political statement, regardless of how offensive his intentions may be to many.
But if he were to burn that cross or hang a noose at the house of a black American, the courts might consider his action an incitation of violence against that individual.
For that he could be arrested and tried.
'True threats'
The case of Ku Klux Klan cross-burning however is a specific exception. It has long historical associations with racism and violence against minorities in America.
Signs at Pastor Jones's church may be offensive, but they are not illegal Burning sacred texts has not traditionally been linked with violence in the US.
"It would be difficult I think to categorise the burning of a book as a true threat," says Mr Hudson.
Nor could burning a Koran be considered a hate crime.
"The offence is to the object, which is obviously sacred, but it would not fall under hate crimes because it's not a crime affecting a person," says Mr Zick.
Pastor Jones has said that his bonfire was intended to send a message to Americans that they need to "stand up" to radical Islamists.
He would have burned books on private land, owned by his church. If he were to have moved his protest to outside a mosque, it is possible he could have been charged with disorderly conduct or breach of the peace.
But even then, Mr Zick notes, legal precedent means police are obliged to protect a person's right to speak.
If authorities had wished to clamp down on Pastor Jones, the only legal avenues would have been quite banal. He needed a permit to hold an outdoor fire in Florida, and even before the event was called off, he did not have one.
1. (Koran 8:12) "Remember Thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the believers, I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers, Smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger tips of them."
2. (Koran 2:216) "Warfare is ordained for you, though it is hateful unto you; but it may happen that you hate a thing which is good for you and it may happen that you love a thing which is bad for you. Allah knoweth, you knew not."
3. (Koran 69:30-37) "It is not for any Prophet to have captives until he hath made slaughter in the land. You desire the lure of this world and Allah desires for you the hereafter and Allah is Mighty, Wise.. Now enjoy what you have won as lawful and good and keep your duty to Allah. Lo! Allah is forgiving, merciful."
4. (Koran 69:30-37) "(It will be said) Take him and fetter him and expose him to hell fire. And then insert him in a chain whereof the length is seventy cubits. Lo! he used not to believe in God the tremendous, and urged not on the feeding of the wretched. Therefore hath he no lover hear this day nor any food save filth which none but sinners eat."
5. (Koran 5: 33-34) "The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and His messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet and alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. Such will be their degradation in the world, and in the Hereafter theirs will be an awful doom; Save those who repent before ye overpower them. For know that Allah is forgiving, merciful."
6. (Koran 22: 19-22) "These twain (the believers and the disbelievers) are two opponents who contend concerning their Lord. But as for those who disbelieve, garments of fire will be cut out for them, boiling fluid will be poured down their heads. Whereby that which is in their bellies, and their skins too, will be melted; And for them are hooked rods of iron. Whenever, in their anguish, they would go forth from thence they are driven back therein and (it is said unto them): Taste the doom of burning."
7. (Koran 76: 4) "Lo! We have prepared for disbelievers chains, yokes and a blazing fire."
8. Koran 17:16-17 When we decide to destroy a population, we send a definite order to them who have the good things in life and yet transgress; so that Allah's word is proved true against them: then we destroy them utterly. How many generations have we destroyed after Noah? And enough is thy Lord to note and see the Sins of his servants
9. Koran 8:37 In order that Allah may seperate the impure from the pure, Put All the impure ones (Non-Muslim), one on top of the another in a Heap and cast them into Hell. They will be the ones to have lost
10. Koran 21:11 How many were the populations we utterly destroyed because of their inequities, setting up in their place other peoples
11. Koran 2:8-10 In their (Non-Muslims) hearts is a disease; and Allah has increased their disease and grievous is the penalty they will incur, because they are false.
12. Koran 58:5 Those who resist Allah and His Messenger will be crumbled to dust, as were those before them: for we have already sent down Clear Signs and the Unbelievers will have a humiliating Penalty
13. Koran 44:43-50 Verily the Tree of Zaqqum will be the food of the sinful. Like molten brass it will boil in their insides, Like the boiling of scalding water Seize Ye Him and drag him into the midst of the blazing Fire Then pour over his head the penalty of Boiling Water
14. Koran 2:39 Those who reject faith (Islam) and belie our signs, They shall be Companions of the Fire and abide in it.
15. Koran 2:89-90 The Curse of Allah is on those without faith (in Islam) Thus have they drawn wrath upon wrath on themselves and humiliating is the punishment of those who reject faith (Islam)
16. Koran 5:33 The Punishment for those who oppose Allah and his messenger is : Execution or Crucifixion or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides or exile from the land
17. Koran 9:35 On the day when Heat will be produced out of the wealth in the Fire of Hell, and with it will be branded their foreheads, their sides and their backs- "This is the treasure that ye buried for yourselves, taste ye then the treasures that ye buried."
18. Koran 8:50 If you could see when the angels take the souls of the Unbelievers at death. How they smite their faces and backs saying "Taste the penalty of the blazing Fire"
19. Koran 17:46-47 And we put coverings over their hearts and minds, lest they should understand the Koran, and we put deafness in their ears; when you commemorate your Lord (Allah) and Him alone in the Koran
20. Koran 9:29 Fight those who do not profess the true faith (Islam) till they pay the jiziya (poll tax) with the hand of humility.
21. Koran 8:12 Remember Thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the believers, I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers, Smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger tips of them."
22. Koran 9:5 "Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolators wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful."
23. Koran 9:73 Prophet, make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their Home: an evil fate.
24. Koran 4:144 Believers, do not choose the unbelievers rather than the faithful as your friends. Would you give Allah a clear proof against yourselves ?
25. Koran 47:4 When you meet the unbelievers in the Jihad strike off their heads and, when you have laid them low, bind your captives firmly. Then grant them their freedom or take ransom from them, until War shall lay down her burdens.
26. Koran 5:33-34 The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and His messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet and alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. Such will be their degradation in the world, and in the Hereafter theirs will be an awful doom; Save those who repent before ye overpower them. For know that Allah is Forgiving, merciful.
27. Koran 5:51 Believers, take neither Jews nor Christians for your friends. They are friends with one another. Whoever of you seeks their friendship shall become one of their number. Allah does not guide the wrong-doers.
28. Koran 5:57 Believers, do not seek the friendship of the infidels and those who were given the Book before you, who have made your religion a jest and a pasttime…
29. Koran 5:64 The Jews say: 'God's hand is chained.' May their own hands be chained! May they be cursed for what they say!…
30. Koran 9:29 Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last day, nor hold the forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and his messenger, nor acknowledge the Religion of Truth from among the People of the Book, until they pay the Jiziyah with willing submission. And feel themselves subdued.
31. Koran 9:30 The Jews call 'Uzayr-a son of God', and the Christinas call 'Christ the Son Of God'. That is a saying from their mouth; (In this) they but intimate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are decluded away from the Truth.
32. Koran 98:1-8 The unbelievers among the People of the Book and the pagans shall burn for ever in the fire of Hell. They are the vilest of all creatures.
33. Koran 22:19-22:23 Garments of fire have been prepared for the unbelievers. Sclading water shall be poured upon their heads, melting their skins and that which is in their bellies. They shall be lashed rods of iron. Whenever, in their anguish, they try to escape from Hell, back they shall be dragged, and will be told: 'Taste the torment of the Conflagration!'
34. Koran 18:28-30 For the wrongdoers We have prepared a fire which will encompass them like the walls of a pavilion. When they cry out for help they shall be showered with water as hot as molten brass, which will scald their faces. Evil shall be their drink, dismal their resting-place.
35. Koran 40:67-40:73 Do you not see how those who dispute the revelation of God turn away from the right path ? Those who have denied the Book and the message We sent through Our apostles shall realize the truth hereafter: when, with chains and shackles round their necks, they shall be dragged through scalding water and then burnt in the fire of Hell.
36. Koran 43:74 ..The unbelievers shall endure forever the torment of Hell. The punishment will never be lightened, and they shall be speechless with despair. We do not wrong, themselves.
37. Koran 55:41-52 ..That is the Hell which the unbelievers deny. They shall wander between fire and water fiercely seething. Which of your Lord's blessing would you deny ?
38. Koran 76:1-5 For the unbelievers We have prepared chains and fetters and a blazing Fire…
39. Koran 73:12 We have in store for the unbelievers heavy fetters and a blazing fire, choking food and harrowing torment: on the day when the earth shall quiver with all its mountains, and the mountains crumble into heaps of shifting sand.
40. Koran 77:20-77:50 Woe on that day to the disbelievers! Begone to the Hell which you deny! Depart into the shadow that will rise high in three columns, giving neither shade nor shelter from the flames, and throwing up sparks as huge as towers, as bright as yellow camels…Eat and enjoy yourselves awhile. You are wicked men…"
41. Koran 8:73 The unbelievers give aid and comfort to each other. If you fail to do likewise, there will be disorder in the land and great corruption.
42. Koran 21:96-21:101 ..The unbelievers shall stare in amazement, crying: 'Woe to us! Of this we have been heedless. We have done wrong.' You and your idols shall be the fuel of Hell; therein you sall all go down.
43. Koran 33:7-12 …But for the unbelievers He has prepared a woeful punishment…
44. Koran 44:40-49 ..The fruit of the Zaqqum tree shall be the unbelievers's fruit. Like dregs of oil, like scalding water, it shall simmer in his belly. A voice will cry: 'Seize him and drag him into the depths of Hell. Then pour out scalding water over his head, saying: "Taste this, illustrious and honourable man! This is the punishment which you have doubted."
45. Koran 52:1-52:15 ..On that day they shall be sternly thrown into the fire of Hell, and a voice will say to them: 'This is the Fire which you denied…Burn in its flames. It is the same whether or not you show forbearance. You shall be rewarded according to your deeds.'
46. Koran 31-37 And burn ye him in the blazing fire. Further, make him march in a chain, whereof the length is seventy cubits. This was he that would not believe in allah Most high amd would not encourage the feeding of the indignant. So no friend hath he here this day. Nor hath he any food except the corruption from the washing of wounds.
47. Koran 56:52-56 Ye shall surely taste of the tree Zaqqum. Then will ye fill your insides therwith, and drink boiling water on top of it. Indeed ye shall drink like diseased camels raging with thirst. Such will be their entertainment on the day of Requital!
48. Koran 69:30-37 We shall say: 'Lay hold of him and bind him. Burn him in the fie of Hell, then fasten him with a chain seventy cubits long. For he did not believe Allah the tremendous, and urged not on the feeding of the wretched. Today he shall be friendless here; filth shall be his food, the filth which sinners eat…
49. Koran 2:39 Those who reject faith shall be the companions of the Fire.
50. Koran 2:89-90 The curse of Allah is on the unbelievers… humiliating is the punishment.
51. Koran 13:13 ..He hurls his thunderbolts at whom he pleases Yet the unbelievers wrangle about Allah..
52. Koran 58:5 Those who resist Allah and his messenger will be humbled to dust.
53. Koran 70:15-16 The fire of Hell will pluck out his being right to the skull..
54. Koran 5:10 As for those who disbelieve and deny Our revelations, they are the heirs of Hell.
55. Koran 70:39 We have created the unbelievers out of base matters.
Islamdevotee tends to ignore me when I post because he can't refute the truth. He has not once touched the argument about Islam being guilty of Slavery.
Islam is the ONLY religion in practice today which encourages and uses slaves. In all the modern world, Slavery is still being used by Muslims in Africa and various other countries around the Middle East. It is pretty well known that Muslims frequently capture sex slaves in Christian lands for their own personal use and glorification.
There are brilliant extracts here that show the people the evil the religion is. I think we should stop responding to islamdevotee because the mindest is that the religion, the quran and hadith is perfect therefore we are all wrong. this is multiplied 2 billion times across every muslim that is why we will never win the fight. Islam has taken over the west, concurred the USA, whether you believe it or not it is now here to stay for aother 1400 years. USA is a in the biggest and most dangerorus moment of its life, because the islam revolution will now go full swing into developing a muslim nation in america and sure as there is the sun and the moon, they will take over, I foresee many new mosques, muslim ministers, and one day arab president. This is the reality we have to live with. We have elected a president that has absolutely no concern for the US. I dont think that any previous presdienst would have stood for this bullshit. Bush no matter how much people dont like him, he would not have had this conversion centre built. Obama has let the people down and has the power to stop this bullshit, but he has accepted islam with open arms, so that means we have lost the war. It is stupid that we now have soldiers in muslim countries fighting for what.
@mohamed — giving up already?, friend. I agree that we are up against 2 billion strong army of zombies. Islam is TRYING TO take over the west, we still have chance.
But allow me to introduce you to a weapon that can defeat this powerful threat. The weapon is called "Freedom of Expression" and is enshrined in the First Amendment of the US Constitution where it is refered as Free Speech. Free Speech can save us from Islam and all the other lies in the world. (This weapon can also destroy the lies that we believe in, and that is why people are afraid to patronize it).
But there is a catch. Freedom of Expression is only as powerful as we are willing to uphold it. muslims are powerful because they uphold Islam with their life. We too need to uphold our weapon with everything we have, our money and resources, our life, our name, and more.
We need to duplicate the actions of muslims. muslims read the namaz five times a day, we need to read First Amendment five times a day. muslims spend time in the mosque once in a week(Friday), we need to spend time reading the entire US Constitution once every week. muslims have the month of ramazan every freaking six months, we need to dedicate one month every year where we study the US constitution and study things like why a certain Amendment is there, what it means and how is it beneficial to us. During this month, we should also check to see if the courts or the govt has come up with distorted interpretations.
And most important of all, muslims practice jihad on a regular basis, we need to practice Free Speech on a regular basis (including fighting the courts and govt to correct distorted interpretations).
Once our leaders notice how fanatic the americans are about their constitution, they'll start having concern for the US. For example, they will get our soldiers out of muslim countries and post them only where they are needed for one american interest — to protect the safety of US Constitution and the right of americans to enjoy the benefits of it.
P.S. I feel good writing this on September the 11th.
I forgot to point out in my previous comment, that from 'we' I mean the American PEOPLE, not the govt. Do not look to the leaders running our govt. to protect our interests. They will do so only when they notice that PEOPLE are demanding so with their actions.
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