Islam-The great copy cat religion!
Islam is the largest religion in the world as of today–but do all those Muslims realize they are worshiping a copy cat religion?? That’s right–Muhammad COPIED his religion!!
In Arabia at the time of Muhammad, they worshiped 365 gods! (1 for every day of the year!) one of them was named, “Allah”. He was the moon god!
Now, it is funny how Allah the moon god in Arabic mythology just so happens to be the name of the Islamic god, “Allah”, and it is funny how on top of every mosque is a crescent moon?? Coincidence–I think NOT! I was speaking to a Muslim on chess.com a while back ago and he really couldn’t explain it. The only thing he had to say was, “There is no conection with the two Allahs!” (big lie)
In the pagan religion, you prayed toward Mecca and had to make a pilgrimage to Mecca at least once in your lifetime! Wow! The two religions are eerily similar.
Conclusion:
As you can see, the two gods are the same. Islam is nothing more than a revival of an ancient cult!
Source: http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/moongod.htm
Posted by David Neff
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Come now, let's give Mohammed some credit. He took tolerant Arab polytheism and transformed it into a militant creed of intolerance, conquest, rape, plunder and slavery. Islam gives monotheism a bad name.
Allah is the pre-Islamic pagan Arab deity; the Moon God. This is why the liar and criminal Muhammad did not have to explain Allah to the ancient pagan Arabs. Allah was already the pre- Islamic pagan Arab High God (The God).
Islam’s pagan retained rituals. The pre-Islamic pagan Arabs just as the Muslims do now made pilgrimage to and prayed towards Mecca.
The so called Monotheistic Muslims circumambulate (run) around the temple of the Moon God called Kaaba.
The so called monotheistic Muslims kiss and worship the pagan Black meteorite stone rock idol, the same as the pre-Islamic pagan Arabs did.
The so called monotheistic Muslims slaughter and sacrifice animals in rituals, just as the pre-Islamic pagan Arabs did.
The so called monotheistic Muslims throw rocks at the sacred stone idols in mimicking stoning of the Shaytan (Devil), the same as the pagan pre-Islamic Arabs did.
The so called monotheistic Muslims fast for the month beginning and ending with the sightings of the moon, the same as the pre-Islamic Arabs did.
Islam is the pagan political religion that falsely claims monotheism. Humanity will believe differently when Islam voids its self of its pagan polytheistic practices. Since innovation is not allowed in Islam, Islam is stuck knowingly and unknowingly praying and worshiping the Moon God and ancient Idols that the pagan Muslims says are not idols.
Copycat and plagiarized religion, yes that is Islam. Islam is pagan idol worship that denies it is doing so, they need do better.
True!
Furthermore, Allah is not the only God in Islam. This is little known fact, especially amongst non-arab speaking people. When muslims start praying they say "Allahu Akbar" this is translated to English as God is great. To start with this translation is wrong. The literal translation of the phrase the way it is today, which btw is altered from its original text, is "Allah is greater" which is an incomplete phrase, since it must be allah is greater than something, and not only greater.
But the original text is "Allah wah akbar" which means "Allah and Akbar". Akbar was another arabian god that was worshiped at the time.
Hahaha…ridiculous. You are wrong about "moon god", you have misinterpretation about word "fight", you are wrong in many aspects.. why?? because you are taking a book so-called hadith as refference. Islam has nothing to do with "a crescent moon" symbol. As you say "In Arabia at the time of Muhammad, they worshiped 365 gods", why don't you understand alquran was sent down to tell them and us that there has been only ONE God.
OMG, you have as poor as Taliban in understanding Islam.
Most, if not all, religions are 'copy cats' to a certain extent, Islam is no different. Therefore a critique of Islam based on it syncretism is rather pointless, it has many other sinister characteristics that it doesn't share with other religions–its founder was a total psychopath for instance.
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To the attention of all Hindus
The fanatic Hindu floppydimko ,as I said earlier, starts the war in all posts. Just see the above comment by floppydimko.
When Christians,especially FF67, answer him some of you start to blame Christians for attacking Hinduism.
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The ottomans were the ones who started this tradition…the adopted the symbol of Constantinople which was then the capital of Eastern Christianity…The Arabs and Muhammad had nothing to do with it.
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Floppydimko uses floppy arguments always. He doesn't know even the basic of logical reasoning.
How can a Hindu who should beleive in relativism argue in absolute terms?. That's the main reason why Hindus couldn't contribute to the modern world .(If at all anything it's by those Hindus who followed western thinking based on absolutism).
And that's why all the reasoning of Hindu fnatics' arguements fail in every area in the modern world..
"So as per your stupid belief ( Not my belief mind you!) we are all descendants of Adam and eve….".
You wanted me (us) to say 'yes, Jesus is related to Muhammed' to your question – " Now tell me mohammad was not related to jesus!!!!! " . Yes, I (we) do beleive they are related through Abraham and, if it is true as per our beleif, we believe you are also related to Muhammed . Either take my answer 'yes' in both the cases or accept the stupidity of own your argument.
The Hindu fanatic Floppydimmko is not smart enough to understand the flaw in his arguement to establish something as true using something he doesn't beleive.
No religion is devoid of crap including hinduism, judaism etc…. But the followers of these religions are far more civilized & live in peace & prosperity on this planet, so there isn't any point in fighting & mud-slinging against each other….
Apart from food habits, there isn't much difference in theology of hindus/jews, as both follow monotheism in their own way, hinduism somewhat a cocktail of atheism/monotheism/polytheism/pantheism & so on….
Unfortunately islam takes its root from judaism, which portrays judaism bit ugly for all the wrong reasons of what muslims perpetuate in this civilized world especially for hindus, because it is their forefather 'Ebrahim' aka 'Abraham', in whom 'Muhammad' saw as the role model in, almost thinking he himself is the upgraded final version of the great patriarch & also even naming one of his sons 'Ibrahim' after the biblical prophet…
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Floppydimmko always quote the Old Testament part of the Bible – which is the sacred text of Jews – to attack Abrahamic faiths of Judaism and Christianity. See his above comment. Now he is a friend of Judaism.
Only a Hindu fanatic can contradict himself or change mind every hour.
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Yes,Jesus' name is mentioned in the quran but it's not the same Jesus as the Biblical one.
Check the Ali Sina vs Muhammad Al Assadi debate.Ali Sina refuted him,saying that Muhammad's Jesus is a completely different character.
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Muhammad was not inspired by Jesus for obvious reasons.
Mainly,there is not a single Biblical Jesus quote in the Quran.If someone inspires you,then you'll use their examples.
Therefore,Muhammad envied Jesus but did not admire him because Jesus drew crowds in the thousands through preaching.
Muhammad only managed to draw a following of about 100 muslims in his 13 year period in Mecca.
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Personally, I am never certain of this association Allah = moon-god.
The first point to make is that "allah" just means "the god", which; especially in a poly-theistic society could simply mean "the god I spoke of before" or "the god I just mentioned" etc as well as "The God" meaning "the boss god" or similar.
Some evidence points to the name of the Meccan moon-god as Hubal rather than Allah, so we have to prove a double equality: Allah = Hubal = moon-god.
Whilst some evidence has been produced to support this theory, there has also been a fair amount of scholarly refutation (and not by Islamic scholars either).
Further, whilst the case of the satanic verses (Koran, not S.Rushdie) which spoke of the daughters of Allah and related to dieties at pre-Islamic Mecca re-inforces the Allah=moon-god link, this in itself is hardly adequate to substantiate the identity.
My own feeling is that it is a case of "not proven", there remains too little evidence that isn't interpretive in nature for the conclusion.
Granted, the problem is exacerbated by the Muslim adoption of the Crescent symbol, but this seems to be related to the Ottoman empire rather than early Islam; for example in early Islam the flags used were usually plain black, green or white; but the pervasive nature of the Ottoman Empire which eventually encompassed the entire Moslem world carried this symbol with it.
Ironically this may well be the ancient pre-Christian symbol for the greek goddess Diana.
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Chiulo-Ruiz: Yes, you are dead right that a lot of pagan practices have been "co-opted" into the Hajj in particular. Some are downright superstitous in nature too.
Many religions co-opt things: eg Xtianity co-opted the date (at least) for Xmas itself from pagan mid-winter feasts, in the UK well-dressing is the remnant of the Celtic religion "christianised" by early Celtic missionaries.
But, whereas most religions simply acknowledge this, Islam doesn't. Try telling a muslim that Islam has pagan influences and practices and see what happens – I suggest you duck quickly.
Where I can't agree with you is in your statement that "Islam … falsely claims monotheism". I see nothing false in the claim, they only believe in one god (Allah) and they only worship one idol (Kaaba/black stone) which is (sometimes) claimed as "the right hand of allah on earth".
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Pseudo: "You are taking a book so-called hadith as refference". Right, that would be the "Sahih" = reliable hadith of Bukhari, Muslim abu-Dowd and Maliki. The same Ahadith that have been used by the scholars of the schools of Fiqh to develop the Sharia law.
So I take it you don't believe in Sharia Law either?
No Sharia, no Ahadith – and thus no Sunna either. Not much of "Islam" left is there. So I think the joke is on you.
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FloDMo: "There are many verses in Bible that are similar to the torah!"
That would be because the Bible (by which you must mean the Christian Bible) contains the Torah – Xtians call it "the Old Testament".
However, it is well know that Mo ahd contact with a number of Xtian monks as well as the Jews of Medina for years BEFORE he claimed to be a prophet.
Thus you are right in that he copied stories from both the 'New Testament' as well as the Old Testament/Torah.
What is interesting is that if you track the 'New Testament' stories (those about Jesus/Mary etc) they often trace back to apocryphal Gospels that are not related to the Canon of scripture. Furthermore, even then Mo's copying is inaccurate in the caes of both OT and "NT" material and thus he clearly remembered them poorly, when he wasn't twisting them for his own purposes.
(These storiesare also the basis for the Koranic claims that Jews and Christians have "perverted" their holy books.)
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"Jesus is related … to Abraham. Mohammad was the descendant of ishmael again the son of Abraham.Now tell me mohammad was not related to jesus"
The "haggarite" decent of the Arabs is speculative at best. Mo ASSERTED this relationship, but there is no real evidence for it in any writings. This was part of Mo's attempts to legitimise himself to the Jews (in particular) as being the final prophet of the Jewish "line".
So whilst it is impossible to prove that Jesus and Mohammed aren't related (albeit very, very distantly) there is no proof they are either – neither is there real proof that Arabs and Jews are even related genetically through a person whom we call Abraham.
The meaning of "Adam": your explanation is unneccessarily complicated. "Adam" mean "man"(kind) and "Eve" means "life".
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Rocky: you are partly right.
I agree that all religions are syncretic to some degree or other.
The point here, however, is that Muslims themselves refuse to acknowledge this. They believe that Islam is the literal word of god (Allah) as dictated to Mohammed via the angel Gabriel, many insist that the Koran is a copy of the "eternal book" that resides in heaven.
Further, since Islam declares that it is has nothing to do with preceeding times and religions, which are all lumped together as "Jahilliyya" or (the time of) "ignorance", a syncretic criticism is fair – especially when elements are shown to come from outside the Judeo-Christian traditions (which have a quasi-legitimacy as "peoples of the book").
jonmc,
Interesting comment, I presume that Moslems refusal to acknowledge the syncretic elements of their religion is due to the low intellectual standards in Islamic society. Both Jews and Christians have long traditions of textual analysis of their religious books and independent secular scholarship,which appears to be lacking in the Islamic tradition.For example, in the 19th century a British translator of Mesopotamian texts was amazed to discover that they also mentioned a 'Flood Myth' which was very similar to the Bibical version.Since Moslems traditionally have shown little or no interest in pre-Islamic culture,I couldn't imagine a similar event occurring in an Islamic nation.
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Pagan practices are pagan practices. Not really looking for Islamite consent or assent on that which is obvious. Monotheism is the doctrine or belief that there is only one God. The pagan God Allah can not be verifiably or demonstrably proved to actually exist. Monotheism is a non provable imaginary concept that leans on and requires belief, for we all do not believe in the selfsame God or Gods. True monotheism can not possibly exist. The natural follow-up is which God is "The God" and can it be validated, such things can not be demonstrably verified at all!
One idol or many idols, idolatry is still idolatry, is it not! Islam is forever seeking exemption for that which it is guilty (idolatry) of, while it condemns other for the same. In the real world The Gods any God whatsoever only has the hands of its deluded followers because the Gods have no hands. In addition they (Gods) are the great unseen and unknowable with feet of clay. Without human intervention the Gods can do no harm neither can they do any good!
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Rocky: "I presume that Moslems refusal to acknowledge the syncretic elements of their religion is due to the low intellectual standards in Islamic society."
Yes and no.
It is a part of the mythos of Islam that the Koran is the "Perfect book" just as Islam is the "perfect religion".
Therefore the Koran is, to Muslims, above criticism; or more accurately any criticism of the Koran is blasphemous – because the Koran says it is perfect.
Now there is a degree of either ignorance or disingenuity about the term "criticism" too: most Muslims think that criticism = "be rude about" rather than the investigation of origins, sources, etc.
However, many (all?) of them are also worried about what would be exposed by criticism because (as I've implied earlier) if the Koran and thus Islam has clear links to the beliefs. practices, etc of the the time of "Jahiliya", then the claim that the Koran "sprang fully formed from allah's brow" as it were is hard(er) to maintain.
Thus even what we might call "legitimate criticism" is blasphemous since it contradicts the Koran's own assertion of its perfection. (And yes, I know this is circular reasoning.)
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FloDmo: I think you are partly missing my point(s).
That the Quran contains (usually altered) stories from both OT and NT is basically just as you said and this fully explains that "similarity" (a better word might be plagiarism) between Quran and Bible (= OT+NT).
But, having read both, I find that (the common stories excepted) the differences are more striking than the similarities. The most glaring one is that the Koran lacks any context (hence all the volumes of Tafseer), whereas the Bible is often a case of "x went here and said/did such and such". In many ways the BIble is a book of history – with a strong religious bias. (You will realise that I am speaking in generalisations here.)
Certainly Jesus was a Jew (despite a Western tradition of making him out to be a blond Anglo-Saxon!) and certainly his teachings were grounded in Judaism, but at a minimum his teaching was a "reforming" movement.
I don't want to go into history here too far, so suffice it to say that as the Xtian Church grew it added the Gospels, Acts etc TO the Torah to form the Xtian Bible as it stands today. Thus the Xtian Bible CONTAINS the Torah (OT) – as I've said before.
You wrote: ".The old and new testaments [and] … there are cruelties and violence in both, they together form Bible!"
I'd be interested to see what cruelties you refer to in the New Testament.
You further wrote: "to a devout christian they [OT and NT] are equally pious books."
That's not quite accurate; If it were all Xtians would live like Jews, obeying the same laws of diet etc. In reality the OT is seen more a "foundation" with a mixture of good and bad in it – that's why the NT is the NEW Testament and "overwrites" (parts of) the OT. (Again, you will appreciate I am being somewhat simplistic for brevity's sake here.)
You wrote: "to me they are equally nauseating."
My friend, your nausea is entirely your concern.
A key difference between the violence of the Bible and that of the Koran is that whereas the violence of the former is set in a clear historicial context when read "in the round" there is no such context in the Koran, though to be fair the Tafseers attempt to give this context – but that effort remains somewhat speculative.
@jonmc
Floppydimmko commented ( in “Pakistani Christians are under threat after murder of two Christian brothers outside court”) : -
“All the three desert religions have a common ancestry.the cruel, violent Abraham!”
“The evil of abraham is soon going to end”
Now he is saying (his comment above) :- “Abraham the patriarch of all your religions is none other than Brahma! A diety of Hindus! “.
He is admitting Brahma the Hindu god of creation is evil !. I can't believe my eyes. Can you?
Islam the great copy cat religion.It even went as far as copying Hindus in drinking animal urine for medicinal purposes.
Indeed pisslam is a copy cat religion……there is a perfect match between pisslamic allah and demonic jehova for no small reason….for pisslam is a carbon copy of satanic babble in many ways…
1. Whose god has promised the cruelest fate for people of different religions?
Correct Answer: D. (Both are equally vicious. Both gods have utter disdain for all other religions and condemn the followers of those faiths to eternal damnation.) “Surely those who disbelieve . . . Allah has set a seal upon their hearts . . . and there is a great punishment for them” (Koran 2:6-7). “Surely those who disbelieve and die while they are disbelievers, these it is on whom is the curse of Allah and the angels and men all” (Koran 2:161). [W]hen the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, In flaming fire taking vengeance of them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord . . . (2 Thessalonians 1:7-9). “[H]e that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him”(John 3:36).
2. Whose god orders the most violent plight for nonbelievers while on Earth?
Correct Answer: C. (The Christian god because he ordered his followers to kill all those of a different religion, including family members, friends and even their cattle, whereas the Moslem god simply required the enslaving of nonbelievers .) “If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods . . . thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people . . . If thou shalt hear . . . Certain men . . . have withdrawn the inhabitants of their city, saying, Let us go and serve other gods . . . Thou shalt surely smite the inhabitants ofthat city with the edge of the sword, destroying it utterly, and all that is therein, and the cattle thereof, with the edge of the sword” (Deuteronomy13:6-15). “Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection” (Koran 9:29).
3. Whose god orders the cruelest warfare?
Correct Answer: D. (The Christian god because he ordered his followers to kill all the men inthe towns they invaded, enslaving only the women and children (who sometimes were to be slaughtered as well, along with every other living thing insight.)) “So when you meet in battle those who disbelieve, then smite the necks until when you have overcome them, then make (them) prisoners, and afterwards either set them free as a favor or let them ransom (themselves) until the war terminates” (Koran 47:4). “And when the Lord thy God hath delivered [a city] into thine hands, thou shalt smite every male thereof with the edge of the sword: But the women, and the little ones . . . shalt thou take unto thyself . . . But of the cities of these people, which the Lord thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth”(Deuteronomy 20:13-16).
4. Whose god has the least pity and most contempt for the enemies of his followers?
Correct Answer: D. (B and C.) “And to the others he said in mine hearing, Go ye after him through the city, and smite: let not your eye spare, neither have ye pity: Slay utterly old and young, both males, and little children, and women: but come not near any man upon whom is the mark; and begin at my sanctuary. Then they began at the ancient men who were before the house. And he said unto them, Defile the house, and fill the courts with the slain: go you forth. And they went forth, and slew in the city” (Ezekiel 9:5-7). “Allah does not forbid you respecting those who have not made war against you on account of (your) religion, and have not driven you forth from your homes, that you show them kindness and deal with them justly; surely Allah loves the doers of justice” (Koran 60:8). “And if they incline to peace, then incline to it and trust in Allah; surely He is the Hearing, the Knowing” (Koran 8:61).
5. Whose god has more contempt for homosexuals?
Correct Answer: D. (B and C.) “If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them”(Leviticus 20:13). “And if two (men) of you commit it, then hurt them both; but if they turn again and amend, leave them alone, verily, God is easily turned, compassionate” (Koran 4:21). “Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind . . . shall inherit the kingdom of God”(1 Corinthians 6:9-10). "And there shall wait on them young boys of their own, as fair as virgin pearls" (Koran 52:24). “They shall be attended by boys graced with eternal youth, who will seem like scattered pearls to the beholders" (Koran 76:19).
6. Whose god has prescribed the more vicious physical punishment of sinners?
Correct Answer: B. (The Moslem god because he ordered his followers to apply more lashes to sinners than the Christian god did.) “(As for) the fornicatress and the fornicator, flog each of them, (giving) a hundred stripes, and let not pity for them detain you in the matter of obedience to Allah, if you believe in Allah and the last day, and let a party of believers witness their chastisement” (Koran 24:2). “And it shall be, if the wicked man be worthy to be beaten, that the judge shall cause him to lie down, and to be beaten before his face . . . Forty stripes he may give him, and not exceed”(Deuteronomy 25:2-3).
7. Whose god should you fear most?
Correct Answer: C. (The Christian god because while Allah may be worthy of fear, God not only kills those who rub Him the wrong way but sends them to Hell as well.) “What! will you not fight a people who broke their oaths and aimed at the expulsion of the Apostle, and they attacked you first; do you fear them? But Allah is most deserving that you should fear Him, if you are believers” (Koran 9:13). “But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him” (Luke 12:5). “And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell” (Matthew 10:28).
8. Whose god places the least value on the lives of women?
Correct Answer: D.(This is basically a wash. Both gods view women as less worthwhile than men.) “Allah enjoins you concerning your children: The male shall have the equal of the portion of two females; then if they are more than two females, shall have two-thirds of what the deceased has left, and if there is one, she shall they have the half” (Koran 4:11). "And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying, Speak unto the children of Israel, and sayunto them, When a man shall make a singular vow, the persons shall be for the Lord by thy estimation. And thy estimation shall be of the male from twenty years old even unto sixty years old, even thy estimation shall be fifty shekels of silver, after the shekel of the sanctuary. And if it be a female, then thy estimation shall be thirty shekels. And if it be from a month old even unto five years old, then thy estimation shall be of the male five shekels of silver, and for the female thy estimation shall be three shekels of silver. And if it be from sixty years old and above, if it be a male, then thy estimation shall be fifteen shekels, and for the female, ten shekels" (Leviticus27:1-7).
9. Whose god puts women in their place with the harshest of restrictions on their speech?
Correct Answer: D. (B and C) “Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence" ; (1 Timothy 2:11-12). "Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church" (1Corinthians 14:34-35). "Allah has heard and accepted the statement of the woman who pleads with you (the Prophet) concerning her husband and carries her complaint to Allah, and Allah hears the arguments between both of you for Allah hears and sees all things”(Koran 58:1).
10. Whose god is the champion of deceit?
Correct Answer: D. (Neither wins for both “B”and “C” are true.) “Surely Allah is not ashamed to set forth any parable– (that of) a gnat or any thing above that; then as for those who believe, they know that it is the truth from their Lord, and as for those who disbelieve, they say: What is it that Allah means by this parable: He causes many to err by it and many He leads aright by it! but He does not cause to err by it (any) except the transgressors” (Koran2:26). “And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness” (2Thessalonians 2:11-12).
FDM: Thank you for your kind words.
You wrote: "I did not say Bible is the same as qran! Qran has many things similar to bible as qran was copied, albeit badly , from bible.Correct me if I am wrong. "
Pardon me, but do those two sentences not contradict each other?
It would be wrong to say "qran was copied, albeit badly , from bible", but I would agree that a few Quran stories were "copied, albeit badly , from bible".
Now let me admit that I may be splitting hairs (or is that heirs-of Abraham) over a matter of precision in meaning, but to me at least it is over-stating the case to say that the Quran is a copy of the Bible. I've never managed to acquire statistics as to how much is copied or based on the Bible and/or apocryphal works, but given that 64% of Koran is about Kaffirs, 9% on Jihad (neither of which in the Islamic sense feature in the Bible), we are reduced to an absolute maximum of 27% for ALL other topics. (Source Sharia for non-muslims.)
What would you estimate, or that remainding percentage to be "copied" from the Bible – 10%?
Also, it is obvious that the Quran would not be "copied" (to coin your term) from the "Dharmic" Scriptures (if I may coin the word out of respect for what you wrote) – if only because Mo would have had no contact with them – and would, therefore, not have been in a position to plagiarise them, unlike your aforementioned Jains, Buddhists etc whose "religious culture" was that of the "dharmas". And yes, I get your point, there are (inevitably) more similarities between Judeo-Christianity and Islam than "dharmic" religions and Islam.
But, to assert (as you appear to) that the greater similarity, though I hope I've shown that the similarities are relatively small, means that the Quran was copied/plagiarised from the Xtian Bible is reaching I think.
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Actually we are not so far apart in our thinking since you also state that there are many differences between the Quran and the Bible (which again seems to contradict your first thesis). Further, I agree
that we would all have been better off if Islam had never arrived.
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Brahma = Abraham.
Not sure about that. Abraham (if he actually existed as an historical character) was clearly (biblically speaking) a "mortal man" just like you and I. If Abraham is an architype instead then he is an architype of someone who believed God.
In neither case does that make Abraham = god = Brahma.
All the best,
Jon
Yeah…..we need to look out for all those murderous Christian groups creating havoc all over the globe daily and justifying their devastation by quoting Christ. LOL.
Islam is a viral disease with no cure
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jonmc,
I don't have any expertise or interest in theology,so I'm discussing this question in an historical context only.
I don't disagree with your comments,however I think there is more to the notion of the Quoran as a 'perfect book'. Christians have regarded the Bible as the perfect word of God and many still do,but as I mentioned earlier, some Christians at least, developed an independent critque of Bibical texts.Why? This was due to the intellectual climate in the West,with at least some elements of Classical scholarship surviving. You seem to be arguing that the nature of Islamic theology prevented Moslems from ever doubting the Quoran,while Judeo-Christian theology allowed critical discussion of Bibical texts,perhaps that's the entire explanation,however, I think that the societal context of each religious tradition(and chance) has some relevance as well. And yes, I realize that the problem is rather "chicken and egg"
Thanks.
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Floppydimmko wrote;
"We do not have eye for eye law,but both islam and christianity have that."
How can a person argue like this unless he is willfully ignorant and intentionally pervert?.
Having the law "eye for an eye" in the Old Testament part of the Bible is as equal as having it in Christianity for Christians to follow – thus goes his reasoning.
But any person with a working brain and maturity to study objectively what Christians are following everywhere would have read what Jesus said in the New Testament part of the Bible.
The command of Jesus in the NT for every Christian is (Matthew 5:38-42):
"You have heard that it was said, 'An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth.' But I tell you, don't resist him who is evil; but whoever strikes you on your right cheek, turn to him the other also. If anyone sues you to take away your coat, let him have your cloak also. Whoever compels you to go one mile, go with him two. Give to him who asks you, and don't turn away him who desires to borrow from you."
Any sensible person can observe what Christians are following everywhere. This guy claims that he has visited America. America is the nation with the most number of Christian faithful and he should have heard a report in the American press (which is the most liberal and free) had this been practiced by Christians there. At least he should have read a report in the Indian press. But Indian Christians daily read some faithful Hindus practice this rule in India.
Can we expect anything sensible from a person who contradicts himself every hour and use profanity habitually?. Yea, may be he is practicing what he is supposed to practice as a Hindu.
But the funny part is this guy from India assumes he is better than all the Christians in the world!
Islam is not similar to anything else, including religions such as Christianity. As far as the Koran having any outdated ethical concepts, that is impossible. According to Islamic doctrine, the Koran is perfect, eternal and universal. It does not contain the slightest error since it contains the exact words of Allah. Hence, it can never be outdated.
Some muslim guy pretending to be Christopher says:Islam is not similar to anything else, including religions such as Christianity.
I say:you're right.Unlike Islam,the founder of Christianity & his disciples did not spread their religion through murder,rape,plundering & terrorism.These atrocities belong to the holy prophet (pbuh)
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Some muslim guy pretending to be Christopher says:As far as the Koran having any outdated ethical concepts, that is impossible. According to Islamic doctrine, the Koran is perfect, eternal and universal. It does not contain the slightest error since it contains the exact words of Allah. Hence, it can never be outdated.
I say:Show me anything in the Quran that is perfect,eternal,universal,error free,ethical & not outdated.
The Quran is exactly the opposite of everything you've just mentioned.