Islam-The great copy cat religion!
Islam is the largest religion in the world as of today–but do all those Muslims realize they are worshiping a copy cat religion?? That’s right–Muhammad COPIED his religion!!
In Arabia at the time of Muhammad, they worshiped 365 gods! (1 for every day of the year!) one of them was named, “Allah”. He was the moon god!
Now, it is funny how Allah the moon god in Arabic mythology just so happens to be the name of the Islamic god, “Allah”, and it is funny how on top of every mosque is a crescent moon?? Coincidence–I think NOT! I was speaking to a Muslim on chess.com a while back ago and he really couldn’t explain it. The only thing he had to say was, “There is no conection with the two Allahs!” (big lie)
In the pagan religion, you prayed toward Mecca and had to make a pilgrimage to Mecca at least once in your lifetime! Wow! The two religions are eerily similar.
Conclusion:
As you can see, the two gods are the same. Islam is nothing more than a revival of an ancient cult!
Source: http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/moongod.htm
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jonmc,
I don’t have any expertise or interest in theology,so I’m discussing this question in an historical context only.
I don’t disagree with your comments,however I think there is more to the notion of the Quoran as a ‘perfect book’. Christians have regarded the Bible as the perfect word of God and many still do,but as I mentioned earlier, some Christians at least, developed an independent critque of Bibical texts.Why? This was due to the intellectual climate in the West,with at least some elements of Classical scholarship surviving. You seem to be arguing that the nature of Islamic theology prevented Moslems from ever doubting the Quoran,while Judeo-Christian theology allowed critical discussion of Bibical texts,perhaps that’s the entire explanation,however, I think that the societal context of each religious tradition(and chance) has some relevance as well. And yes, I realize that the problem is rather “chicken and egg”
Thanks.
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Hey Jonmc
There are a few of my points you deliberately or unintentionally missed out in answering.
Since the islamic thought process was the last, admittedly most evil one to arrive on global scene, Islam will invariably have many of the stories ,parables etc of earlier religions, in plenty.Agreed?
Now back on track, buddy.Islam plagiarised/copied haphazardly from the earlier religion.That is bible.Correct? The issue is not whether qran is an exact copy of bible,( I believe it is not , since if it were to be an exact copy of bible, there was no need for qran to appear on the scene, wow such a nice thing to have happened) but qran has many things similar to bible( simply because former copied from the latter) and qran and Bible have many things in common than qran and say bhagvadgita.Correct? This is the point I was trying to drive in to the few neurons of sons of lot.
Second, if qran and bible have say 20% in common, then qran and bhagvadgita will have 1% in common.If that’s the case, qran resembles bible more than it resembles bhagvadgita.Right? But the asinine sons of lot keep repeating the same.Islam and hinduism are the same! We do not have eye for eye law,but both islam and christianity have that. I quote your sentence for the sons of lot with tail on fire for taxing a few neurons they have together.”And yes, I get your point, there are (inevitably) more similarities between Judeo-Christianity and Islam than “dharmic” religions and Islam.”
So now monkeys with tail on fire can sit down and put to use 2 neurons between three of them and digest the meaning of this statement.
Now coming to the issue of killing by moslems and christians.
As far the thought process,there are many similarities between the two.In terms of action also they were similar just 3 centuries ago.Christians have the blood of more innocent blood on their hand than moslems, but then the moslems have been in this blood letting business for a shorter period of time than christians have been.Give them some more time and they will surely surpass the christian blood letting magnitude.
As of today, yes christians are not knocking off the heads in the name of jesus, but they did in the past.Moslems have occupied the place vacated by the christians due to enlightenment or renaissance. The period before renaissance was the dark ages in Europe and the continent was dragged in to dark ages by none other than christianity! What curtailed freedom prior to renaissance ? Damn me if it was not christianity! Christianity the most oppressive religion at that time. Things are different today and christians are not in to the blood letting business overtly, but covertly yes.
Moslems have never been through the renaissance period yet. Do you remember at all why Galileo was persecuted by the same chruch? For saying the truth that was against the word of lord!
Floppydimmko wrote;
“We do not have eye for eye law,but both islam and christianity have that.”
How can a person argue like this unless he is willfully ignorant and intentionally pervert?.
Having the law “eye for an eye” in the Old Testament part of the Bible is as equal as having it in Christianity for Christians to follow – thus goes his reasoning.
But any person with a working brain and maturity to study objectively what Christians are following everywhere would have read what Jesus said in the New Testament part of the Bible.
The command of Jesus in the NT for every Christian is (Matthew 5:38-42):
“You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth.’ But I tell you, don’t resist him who is evil; but whoever strikes you on your right cheek, turn to him the other also. If anyone sues you to take away your coat, let him have your cloak also. Whoever compels you to go one mile, go with him two. Give to him who asks you, and don’t turn away him who desires to borrow from you.”
Any sensible person can observe what Christians are following everywhere. This guy claims that he has visited America. America is the nation with the most number of Christian faithful and he should have heard a report in the American press (which is the most liberal and free) had this been practiced by Christians there. At least he should have read a report in the Indian press. But Indian Christians daily read some faithful Hindus practice this rule in India.
Can we expect anything sensible from a person who contradicts himself every hour and use profanity habitually?. Yea, may be he is practicing what he is supposed to practice as a Hindu.
But the funny part is this guy from India assumes he is better than all the Christians in the world!
There goes another monkey with tail on fire.Good now one more to go and then all the three monkeys with their 2 neurons for brain can jump up and down and start discussing! These monkeys are so predictable. I am lovin it!
Islam is not similar to anything else, including religions such as Christianity. As far as the Koran having any outdated ethical concepts, that is impossible. According to Islamic doctrine, the Koran is perfect, eternal and universal. It does not contain the slightest error since it contains the exact words of Allah. Hence, it can never be outdated.
Some muslim guy pretending to be Christopher says:Islam is not similar to anything else, including religions such as Christianity.
I say:you’re right.Unlike Islam,the founder of Christianity & his disciples did not spread their religion through murder,rape,plundering & terrorism.These atrocities belong to the holy prophet (pbuh)
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Some muslim guy pretending to be Christopher says:As far as the Koran having any outdated ethical concepts, that is impossible. According to Islamic doctrine, the Koran is perfect, eternal and universal. It does not contain the slightest error since it contains the exact words of Allah. Hence, it can never be outdated.
I say:Show me anything in the Quran that is perfect,eternal,universal,error free,ethical & not outdated.
The Quran is exactly the opposite of everything you’ve just mentioned.
Floppydikmo says:There goes another monkey with tail on fire.Good now one more to go and then all the three monkeys with their 2 neurons for brain can jump up and down and start discussing! These monkeys are so predictable. I am lovin it!
[reference sanatansociety.org]Life of god Hanuman (flying monkey) :
11.”Brought before the demon king,Ravana ordered that while as a messenger of Rama he could not be killed,his TAIL COULD BE SET AFIRE cloth & oil.But Hanuman used his powers to ENLARGE HIS TAIL INDEFINITELY.until the demons had no cloth left to cover it.While they tried to put FIRE TO HIS TAIL,Hanuman suddenly became very small & escaped from his ropes.”
12.”TRAQILING HIS BURNING TAIL BEHIND HIM,HANUMAN THEN SET FIRE TO ALL LANKA & flew back to the mainland…”
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I’ve said this many times before,Hindus project their own gods’ absurdities on to us.
This proves that floppydikmo is the biggest idiot to have visited FFI.
Good now that all the three monkeys have come together ( I guess I need not tell the visitors here who these three monkeys with tail on fire, drunk on biblical poison are), they can put the two neurons together and start discussing.Oh while at it note how the dead jew copied the shivite concept of sinners etc.
The function of a Prabhu, Lord is both protection and punishment. Siva saved the world from disaster by swallowing the poison generated when the Ocean of Milk was churned. In other words, He took upon Himself the sins of the world in order to save humanity. It is this function of God which Christians attribute to Christ, namely, saving the sinners copy cat copy cat!
Now that all the sons of lut have exposed themselves and their brain dead corpse, we shall move on.
The age of vedas was not understood by these leaders of monkeys as the monkeys did not speak sanskrit.They guestimated that, since the age of earth is only 6000 years or so ( How silly and idotic or should I say bibliodiotic) the vedas can not be more than 3000 years old! Make that as 1200years prior to the appearance of dead jew on scene! The cunning and lying bandicots will write any thing to save the dead jew.
Here is the other way of estimating the age of vedas.
River saraswati is the most important river in Rig veda and the river was indeed in full flow in parts of Gujarath.The britishers and their lackeys thought that there never was a river and it was mythical.The present day satellite imagery shows the existence and the path of this river in gujarath and the river disappeared in to a geological fault line and dried up off the rann of Kutch in Gujarath. As the river was in full flow during Rig vedic time the civilisation is better termed as sarsawathi civilisation. As the river dried up, the population moved out and the river would have been in full flow during the time of rig veda time.The carbon dating of the river bed shows that the river would have been there, hold your breath( the halitosis of biblical breath) 15000 to 20000 years ago! That means just rig veda might have been wirtten 25000 years ago. The dead jew was no where in picture! Ohew that is not easy to gulp it for the dead jew followers.So stuff it up!
Here some more information for the poisoned monkeys with tail on fire to deliberate on!
age of our mother earth and universe and beyond as per the satanic calculation! Your dead jew calculated the age of the earth as 6000 years old and had no clue about the universe and beyond.I dont think a dead corpse can think,that apart read on and have a shock of your life!
ADDED MAY 1, 2007, UNDER: VEDA
Thanks to the blog visitor who invoked enough curiosity in me to crack down the age of the universe according to the vedas.
Here is the result of the research I did over the internet and dug up through some text material I had, to find the accurate meaning of time measurements specified in the vedas.
Introduction
Vedas say that before the creation of the universe Lord Vishnu is sleeping in the ocean of all causes. His bed is a giant serpent with thousands of cobra like hoods. By the way, in the trinity of Creator, Maintainer and Destroyer as mentioned in the vedas, Lord Vishnu is the maintainer. Brahma is the creator and Shiva the destroyer.
While Vishnu is asleep, a lotus sprouts of his navel (note that navel is symbolised as the root of creation!). Inside this lotus, Brahma resides. Brahma represents the universe which we all live in, and it is this Brahma who creates life forms.
Now take a break here. Vishnu is the personification of the eternal multiverse that exists forever without any beginning or end. Brahma is the personification of our temporary physical universe that was created in the big bang.
Brahma is said to have been created from the navel (which is a single point) of Vishnu, described as a lotus blooming out of the navel, much like our big bang universe. Now this universe represented by Brahma is not a permanent universe, it is temporary, Brahma lives for 100 years say the vedas and then dies and then a new universe (Brahma) is born.
So as per vedas our universe lives for 100 years. Later we shall see how long each year of Brahma is.
For now, brahma represents our universe which has birth and death, a big bang and a big cruch, from a navel singularity. Vishnu represents the eternity that lies beyond our universe which has no birth or death and that which is eternal! Many such universes like ours exist in Vishnu.
Vedas say that thousands of brahmas have passed away! In other words, this is not the first time universe has been created.
Let us come back to the time measurements now. Brahma lives for hundred years say vedas and we are in the first day of the 51st year of the brahma.
A Year of Brahma
By the way each year of Brahma has 360 days. And we are in the first day of the 51st year of our current brahma. Vedas also say that Lord Hanuman will be the next Brahma. Well, thats something I have to do some research into later, the more things to think about, the more happy and occupied I am
Coming back to a day of the Brahma. Well, there is day and night. Vedas say that during the day Brahma is busy in creation of life and during the night all life he created is absorbed back into him! So we will be there only for this day of Brahma, which is the first day of his 51st year. But dont feel sad, let me promise you, this is a pretty long day.
A day of Brahma
Each day of brahma is called a Kalpa, and this itself is very huge a number. No wonder, ancient Indians had to be perfect in mathematics before going into all these things.
A kalpa is made up of brahma’s one day and one night.
Manvantaras
The day has 14 Manvantaras. Similarly the night has an equal 14 Manvantaras. But then Brahma is resting in the night, so lets get back to the day again. We are in the 7th Manvantara of Brahma’s this day, say the vedas.
MahaYuga
Each Manvantara is made up of 71 Mahayuga. We are in the 28th Mahayuga of this Manvantara say the vedas.
A Mahayuga is a collection of 4 Yugas. Maha means giant or huge.
The 4 yugas are Satya Yuga (also called Krita Yuga), Treta Yuga, Dwapara Yuga, Kali Yuga. We are in the Kaliyuga of our current Mahayuga say the vedas.
Satya Yuga lasts for 40% of its Mahayuga – Age of divine where humans need no physical means to exist and are in direct contact with the God
Treta Yuga lasts for 30% of its Mahayuga – Age where bad deeds start appearing, still there is lot of truth, infact 3/4 of this age is still goodness
Dwapara Yuga lasts for 20% of its Mahayuga-Dwapara means after the second, where there are almost equal amount of good and bad
Kali Yuga lasts for 10% of its Mahayuga- Kali means Darkness in Sanskrit (not to be confused with Kaali which is godess), no wonder we are in this age
Now finally we have reached to a timescale which we can relate to our own years.
1 Kaliyuga = 432000 solar years!
A Kaliyuga has the length of one Yuga. So One Mahayuga has 10 Yugas of which four are in Satya Yuga, 3 in Treta Yuga, 2 in Dwapara and 1 in Kali Yuga.
So a Mahayuga = 10 times the Kaliyuga i.e 4,320,000 solar years
Calculations
Let us do some reverse calculations now to find out the age of the universe as per the vedas.
1 Mahayuga = 4,320,000 years
1 Manvantara = 71 Mahayugas
1 day of Brahma = 14 Manvantaras = 994 Mahayugas
Now a small addition here, Vedas also say that before and after each Manvantara there is a gap equivalent to 4 Yugas (Not MahaYugas).
So now, 1 day of Brahma = 14 Manvantaras + (15 x 4 Yugas)
= 994 Mahayugas + 60 Yugas
= 994 Mahayugas + 6 MahaYugas = 1000
So 1 day of Brahma = 1000 MahaYugas = 4,320,000,000 years
1 night is again 1000 MahaYugas = = 4,320,000,000 years
1 Complete day = day + night = 8,640,000,000 years = 8.64 billion years
Note that we are in the 7th Manvantara of this day. So let us calculate how many years have passed since today started for Brahma.
Step 1: For 6 Manvantaras we have 71x 6 = 426 Mahayugas
Step 2: Then we have the gaps between each Manvantara which is 7 x 4 Yugas = 2.8 MahaYugas
Step 3: Then we have the current Mahayuga in our Manvantara which is 28th, we are in the last 1/10 of it (Remember Kaliyuga is the last of 4 yugas and spans 1/10 of a Mahayuga). So it is 27.9 Mahayugas.
So all put together we have 426+2.8+27.9 = 456.7 Mahayugas have been already spent in current day of Brahma. Approximately 543 more to go before we all are absorbed back into the Brahma
Okay so 456.7 in terms of years is 456.7 x 4,320,000 = 1,972,944,456 which is about 2 billion years. Somewhat close to what evolution proposes for life on earth.
Age of the Universe
Now lets find out the age of our universe as per the vedas. Let us consider the age of the Brahma to be the age of the universe. This is one number which no modern theory can even come anywhere near to it.
As we saw earlier a day of Brahma has 2000 MahaYugas (day+night).
There are 360 days in a year for Brahma and we are in the first day of 51st year.
So far 360 x 50= 18000 days have passed for Brahma
This is equivalent to 18000 x 2000 x 4320000 Human Years
In other words 155,520,000,000,000 Human Years
Add the current day of Brahma which is 1,972,944,456 Humans Years
So as per the vedas, the current age of the universe is 155,521,972,944,456 Years which is about 155,522 billion years !!! Modern day science has been able to predict age of our universe to be only about 15-20 billion years! Moreover Since we are in the first day of 51st year of Brahma, almost equal amout of time has to pass before this universe ends!!
So either modern science still has a long way to go in estimating the age of our universe
OR
the universe mentioned in vedas is the mother of all universes (a multiverse probably) including our own universe !!!
More interesting:
Vedas also say that the average human life span in each yuga is as follows:
Kali Yuga = 100 Years
Dwapara Yuga = 1,000 Years
Treta Yuga = 10,000 Years
Satya Yuga = 1,00,000 Years !
I observed another interesting fact here. Vedas are also implying by this that humans are not limited to planet earth nor to this universe alone. We belong to other Yugas as well where we live a longer life!! More than the length of the life, a greater depth as well
Aliens, please come and meet me, wanna discuss a lot, people on earth are busy making money
Brahma, please put me in some parallel universe.
By the way, universe means one verse, the one verse which created this universe “OM”
The Hindu religion is the only one of the world’s great faiths dedicated to the idea that the Cosmos itself undergoes an immense, indeed an infinite, number of deaths and rebirths. It is the only religion in which the time scales correspond, to those of modern scientific cosmology. Its cycles run from our ordinary day and night to a day and night of Brahma, 8.64 billion years long. Longer than the age of the Earth or the Sun and about half the time since the Big Bang. And there are much longer time scales still. – Carl Sagan, Famous Astrophysicist
Read more @ HitXP » What Vedas say about the age of the Universe? – by Gurudev
@floppydikmo
good article on the vedas about timeless creation/maintenance/destruction of unvierses. However this concept is hard for the chritains/jews/muslims to accept because of their idea of heaven and hell. This limits their imagination. One has to be a free thinker to grasp this concept. Unfortunately many people like FF67, santiago29, Kababa etc will never acknowledge the vedas as an acceptable doctrine because of the narrowness of their thinking. I don’t know why you waste your breath with these people. Concerntrate your discussions on islam it is something they able to discuss because islam falls within the limits of their narrow thinking.
By the way you doing well by not using profane words but hey you still you should go easy on the abusive description of other religions.
Remember good thoughts lead to good words that helps us to make good friends no matter what our differing views may be.
Differences between people will always be there. The other people i have mentioned in this post should also do the same by refraining from abusive descriptions of other religions as well.
I know i recieve flak for what i have said but hey if you give then you must take as well. Every action has a reaction aint it.
Floppy dimmko wrote:
“There goes another monkey with tail on fire.Good now one more to go and then all the three monkeys with their 2 neurons for brain can jump up and down and start discussing! These monkeys are so predictable. I am lovin it!”.
If floppydimmko can see fun in his imgination how much more fun he would be seeing Hanuman jumping to Lanka with his tail held perpendicular to his body. It’s a good indication that floppydimmko is laughing at his god too seeing the funny jump.
There will be reactions, just remember it.
Floppydimmko copy pasted something from internet but he doesn’t know that it proves nothing. If it was a proof it would have received attention from the scientific community, at least in India. But it’s a good way to satisfy those tech savy Hindus who are desperate to have their own version of rational Hindu explantion on the creation of the universe. But sadly nobody outside India buys such calculations these days. Using some scientific terms like big bang,singularity etc etc. will not make a story a fact of life.
Do a simple search on the net for ‘creation of earth or universe’ you will see only two serious views there. One is from the Scientific community and the other from the Biblical account. Anyone can see any number of debates between people from these two sides on Youtube. But Hindu or Islamic personalitis are not part of any such debates.
Islam also tries to make their version appear sceintific by using modern sciencfic terminology. But it doesn’t click. No real scientist would listen to wishful thinking.
floppydimmko always assumes his views are right without even checking how bright people accept something as facts. He always vent out his frustration by resorting to calling name and using profane language.
The way he behaves tells a lot about what he is and what he is standing for. Man speaks from the abundance of his heart and heart is something molded primarily by the religious beleifs.
Bible doesn’t say the earth is 6000 years old. Some christians based on their reasoning beleive earth is 6000 years old. Many other christians hold an old earth view. But the Bible is not categorical about the age of the universe. So, people have different views on this issue. But people like floppydimmko who want to bash Christianity assumes something conveniently and then tries to disprove it, not by using science, but a story which has some scientific termonlogy and mathematical numbers in it. It’s a proof to him and he is sure it disproves christianity!.
It proves nothing! Right.It proves two things at the least.
1,It proves that the adam and eve bull of being on the earth from only from 4004 BC! you christians and moslems are so keen to peddle is all humbug at best and damn big lie at worst. No virgin birth etc.
2.It proves that the earth has been there for more than 6000 years. My my, satan worshippers knew that?
The two concepts are on slippery grounds.( Virgin birth, young earth )There was another jesus born to a roman soldier and a prostitue mary magdalene.That story is certainly not on shaky grounds. There are 4 rivers mentioned in genesis 2 and the hebrew names of those rivers are, I am sure a bible thumping champion like you will know.That these rivers are none other than the 4 rivers from the mount kailash! So eat your heart out. Till now you people were arguing that the Vedas were not as old and as soon as you show the information, all you can say is
1.That does not prove any thing and the other chap says it proves satan is behind all these! You know what, keeping you ignorants in mind some one said, seek , you shall find! We call that as eternal truth, the absolute truth , the unalterable truth.Even that simple thing you copied and look where we all have reached. You liars will bring total destruction of this earth, There will be a WW3 between christians and moslems and every one will be forced to get involved. The prayer let there be peace will be drowned in the nuclear dust.Then the radio active dead jew will arise., Good luck with your lies. Best of luck with your ignorance. Whether it’s a copy paste or not is not an issue at all.It’s always more difficult to refute truth and more difficult to defend the indefensible lies because of that we say satyam eva jayate means truth shall win always and even that you copied and said .let the truth prevail.
I have no interest in either converting any one from any religion to any other religion.its all big crap. A few centuries ago your parents were also hindus and perhaps discriminated against.So they got converted to an alien religion, perceived as truth.that has been exposed as a big lie .I have been to many chruches all over the west and I find even on sundays some handful of whites coming to visit the graves! ? for any spiritual uplifting. Dead jews concepts are also as dead.
Nothing can prevent Hindus being tech sauvy! Not even your dead jew or the child molester. Just a day ago the british PM was in India ( my god christian in a satanic country!) and he was literally begging india to buy british! Not true is it? The silly Indian christians do not know the myth of St Thomas created by evil missionaries has been busted and the hindus have no clue, except the tech savy hindus,The dead jews back side has been busted over and over again! The peddophile escaped all these days, but his days are numbered too.
David Neff (writer of the above article) says:Now, it is funny how Allah the moon god in Arabic mythology just so happens to be the name of the Islamic god, “Allah”, and it is funny how on top of every mosque is a crescent moon?? Coincidence-I think NOT”
I say:Crescent moon is a Shiva’s and Parvati’s symbol. There are rumors that Muslim Kaaba in Mecca was originally a Hindu temple & a recent archeological finding of a gold-plated statue of Ganesh in Kuwait suggests a strong connection between Hindu and Arabic civilizations. Some Hindus believe that the Kaaba shrine comes from an pre-Islamic Indian temple of Lord Shiva.
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Another similarity between Islam & Hinduism is that they both worship moon gods.
I copied the article below from http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/skm30804.htm
Amazing Similarities with Hindu Religion:
In India’s Hindu religion is quite similar to the number two theory (above) of pagan belief. Although, Hindus worship many different Goddesses—they invariably have faith upon a single supreme invisible deity called “Bhagaban” (some call it “Ischhaar”) whom they call “Nirakar”. And, surprisingly there is no sculptural image/figure for this Bhagaban. But all Hindus worship Him along with other numerous deities. This Bhagaban is considered as the lord of all other deities. What would happen—if some intelligent prophet would have asked Hindus to give up worshipping other goddesses and keeping only Bhagaban as their only deity making it a monotheist religion just like Islam? Could it not be another religion like Islam?
I say:Okay,Syed Kamran Mirza,I’m convinced now that Hinduism is another religion like Islam.
David Neff (writer of the above article) says:Now, it is funny how Allah the moon god in Arabic mythology just so happens to be the name of the Islamic god, “Allah”, and it is funny how on top of every mosque is a crescent moon?? Coincidence-I think NOT”
I say:Crescent moon is a Shiva’s and Parvati’s symbol. There are rumors that Muslim Kaaba in Mecca was originally a Hindu temple & a recent archeological finding of a gold-plated statue of Ganesh in Kuwait suggests a strong connection between Hindu and Arabic civilizations. Some Hindus believe that the Kaaba shrine comes from an pre-Islamic Indian temple of Lord Shiva.
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Another similarity between Islam & Hinduism is that they both worship moon gods.
I copied the article below from faithfreedom.org/Articles/skm30804.htm
Amazing Similarities with Hindu Religion:
In India’s Hindu religion is quite similar to the number two theory (above) of pagan belief. Although, Hindus worship many different Goddesses—they invariably have faith upon a single supreme invisible deity called “Bhagaban” (some call it “Ischhaar”) whom they call “Nirakar”. And, surprisingly there is no sculptural image/figure for this Bhagaban. But all Hindus worship Him along with other numerous deities. This Bhagaban is considered as the lord of all other deities. What would happen—if some intelligent prophet would have asked Hindus to give up worshipping other goddesses and keeping only Bhagaban as their only deity making it a monotheist religion just like Islam? Could it not be another religion like Islam?
I say:Okay,Syed Kamran Mirza,I’m convinced now that Hinduism is just another religion like Islam.
Hey shamu 16
Thank you for the advise! I shall try to argue with out profanity. The only way to describe mohammad aptly is, as child molester and that is not profane is it? The only way to describe the jew who died long time ago is as dead jew.Right? Both absolute facts, undeniable.
You did not respond to my message about knowing , not in the biblical sense!
The idea of all this is to make the few Indians who visit the site aware of their own proper history.We are all taught in schools the thoroughly censored, anglicised, untrue history.This suits the moslems and christians in India and out side.It’s bringing out a bunch youngsters with no sense of history and self respect. If they teach in school history say the true history of India, we will have truly inspired generation of Indians.Instead we have 100 million odd moslems and 25 million odd christians who disrespect the hindus and India ( see that good for nothing fellow from kerala., you get an idea) and add to this 300 million hindus with no self respect and knowledge, we will be in dire straits. I am quite happy to accept constructive criticisms and not some generalised cursing that is typical of christians and moslems. I understand the reason very well. They are balancing themselves on a very slippery slope. A very superficial understanding of islam and christianity is enough to debunk their claim of divinity and the belief. The difficulty is that they are too scared of the hell and heaven and their angry god etc. For them The disbelief in god is not imaginable.Also these two religions prevent free thinking and imagination.remember what happened to galileo, was in complete connivance of church.One more thing.the west has materially progressed precisely because they have abandoned church and it’s teachings.This material progress has only made them unhappy, simply because the more astute among them know of the trivial and transient nature of the material gains.No wonder they are turning to Hinduism and islam.Hinduism does not accept new entrants and so they go to islam, inacciurately believing that islam is like hinduism.I suggest to them Buddhism! See even now I am not suggesting conversion to hinduism.The realiztaion that all these things are transient , itself makes you a half hindu! This self realization is the crux of the matter.Hope I have been a good boy!
Floppydikmo says:One more thing.the west has materially progressed precisely because they have abandoned church and it’s teachings.”
I say:Funny I could say the same thing about Hinduism & any ‘progress’ in India.
Here’s a list of Christian countries that have not abandoned the church & it’s teachings but are very progressive.Greece,Iceland,Costa Rica,Lichtenstein,Malta,Monaco,Denmark,Norway,Finland & Cyprus.
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Dear FDM,
I now see what you actually meant. When you wrote “copied the Bible” to me that meant “in toto” rather than “copied from the Bible”. So agreed and agreed to your first two points. (I had been starting to wonder if we were arguing semantics rather than substantive issues anyway!)
I fear that what some folk are suggesting is that Hinduism and Islam “are the same” in the sense that both are “works of the devil”.
NOTE: this is NOT my belief on several levels.
You wrote “Now coming to the issue of killing by moslems and christians. …”
I’m not going to debate figures with you, for the sake of argument I’ll even accept that Xtians have killed more than Muslims and for “religious” reasons, if only because Xtains have had 1/3 as long again to do it.
The question, however is this: in comparing the actions of Xtians and Moslems, which are acting in strict accordance with the principles of their religion and which AGAINST those principles.
You may think this unfair of me, but prove (to me) that “Xtain violence” is mandated in the NT in the same sort of unambiguous way that Islamic violence is mandated in Koran/Ahadith etc and I’ll agree that both are inherently violent religions.
As to the “dark ages” – this is a label coined relativily recently; more careful scholarship indicates that the “dark ages” weren’t that dark and that the Church Institutions (Monesteries etc) were important in preserving earlier knowledge.
Further, a lot of the “degeneration” of civilisation in early phases of the “dark ages” was a result of incessent attacks, raids etc by Islam, which swiftly destroyed commerce in much of the Meditteranean basin (not to mention half the then Xtain World).
Now I agree that the Church stifled (some) scientific progress and I note your mention of Gallileo, but are you aware that the Terra-centric doctrine of the Church (in his time) was NOT founded on the Bible, but on Ptolemy?
Put it another way: this was a human (not to mention erroneous!) idea that was (stupidly) co-opted as Church doctrine.
I’m not saying that there aren’t verses that can be interpreted to support that doctrine – but that is not the same thing.
So Gallileo was persecuted not for “For saying the truth that was against the word of lord!” (as you put it) but saying the truth that was against Church doctrine. Hardly the same thing.
You wrote: “Your dead jew calculated the age of the earth as 6000 years old.”
I’m sorry FDM, that’s plain wrong. This “dating” is so ludicrous that I don’t have the full story at my disposal, but this much I know: I was a priest (I think Irish) who “dated” the earth by counting back through all the people in the OT and assuming each lived for 70 years (unless otherwise stated).
I’m sure I don’t have to point out how silly that is.
So no Jew, dead or otherwise, made that mistake – it’s just another example of human ideas being co-opted as a Church doctrine. If nothing else it shows the Church to be very humanly fallible, or stupid at times, if you prefer.
I found the dating info fascinating, but it all seems to hinge on the 1 Mahayuga = 432, 000 solar years.
Is this an assumption? I saw no evidence of the generation of this number anywhere in your post.
“There was another jesus born to a roman soldier and a prostitue mary magdalene.That story is certainly not on shaky grounds.”
No? I’d love to see your proof of that story! (I think you’ve actually conflated two other stories.)
Jon
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