Can There Ever Be Peace Between Muslims and Jews?
Dear Ali Sina,
My name is Yafa and I am currently a college student in the metro Detroit area, which has a huge population of Muslims.
Recently we had a speaker come to our University – Gill Hoffman from the jpost, and Muslim studets organized a huge protest against it. These are the pictures from the event. I have never seen so much hate and anger in my life.
I don’t think all of them are alike. I believe education and communication can help solve this. However, many of the Muslims on our campus refuse to listen to anything about Israel and anything that has to do with it, which makes it impossible to communicate with them. The only thing they see is the oppression of the Palestinians and nothing else. How do you suggest I go about that? How can I at least get them to listen to what the other side has to say? In the end all I want to do is to promote peace between Arabs and Jews, which will never happen if we don’t listen to each other.
I greatly appreciate your time,
Yafa
Hi Yafa,
Promoting peace between Arabs (Here I mean exclusively Muslims) and Jews is a delusion. Anyone who suggests such thing is ignorant of Islam. The hatred of the Jews is mixed with the milk that Muslims drink from their mother’s breasts. It is in the Quran. As long as Muslims believe in the Quran they will continue hating the Jews.
As far as Muslims, peace can be attained only when the Jews are subdued and subservient to them, recognize them as superior, pay jizyah with willing submission and feeling themselves humiliated. If this is not your idea of peace, then prepare to defend yourself.
Know your enemy. This is the golden rule of war. If you think as a Jew you can make peace with Muslims you don’t know your enemy and your defeat becomes inevitable.
I sometimes wonder at the naiveté of non-Muslims. Don’t they read the Quran and other Islamic sacred texts? A group of naïve Jews has joined a group of deceiving Muslims to form the Center for Muslim-Jewish Engagement cmje.org. This is like the alliance between sheep and wolf. They say ignorance is bliss.
Any alliance between Muslims and Jews will be temporary. The goal is to deceive. Muslims know that at the end they will kill you. Sahih Bukhari (4, 52, 77) says “Allah’s Apostle said, “The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. “O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him.”
This is what Ahmadinejad is dreaming. He wants to be the person who will hasten the advent of the Hour, by massacring the Jews. He is convinced that if he nukes Israel Mahdi will come out of his hiding well and will make the righteous Muslims, i.e. the Shiites, dominate the world. If millions of Muslims are killed in the process, it is not a problem because once Mahdi comes, the dead will resurrect.
You ask what you can do for peace. The first thing you shoul do is to stop deceiving yourself. Know your enemy. He uses land as an excuse. Why a person from Iran, or Pakistan or Indonesia should care about Palestine? It is you that he hates. He hates you because you are a Jew. The same applies to the liberal in the west who takes the side of the Palestinians. They all masquerade their anti Semitism by claming they are concerned about Palestinians. Palestinians don’t need any body’s concern. They have thier own homeland, called Jordan. Jordan is bogus name given by the British. That country is Palestine.
Muslims don’t want to kill you. They wants to subdue you. And the more you give in the more they demand. Giving up land for peace or releasing 1000 terrorists to show good will emboldens them. They see these concessions as victory and escalate their hostility for their final victory, which is your total subjugation.
You Jews must understand one thing. As long as you are Jews Muslims will hate you. The very name Jew excites the Muslim and brings in him unbounded hatred. Watch the beheading of Daniel Pearl. His killers made him say he is a Jew and his father and mother are Jews before beheading him. Why? They did it because it excited them. It brought all their hatred out and they relished butchering him. By reminding themselves that he is a Jew they took a sadistic pleasure in killing him. This is difficult to understand. Maybe an example helps. Some people enjoy sex more when they engage in dirty talk, moan and make noises. The fact that these Muslims’ victim was a Jew gave them so much pleasure that they wanted to hear him say it. To them it was ecstasy. They were not just killing an infidel, they were killing a Jew. Their pleasure was unbounded.
You can’t be friends with a people who hate you so viscerally. Don’t say some Muslims are better. That is nonsense. Ask those “better” Muslims whether they are ready to denounce the verses of the Quran that incites hatred against the Jews. If they are really better, they shoud leave Islam.
For Muslims, “Jew” is a word of insult. They call you johood. It sounds like yahood (Jew) but it is a derogatory term, possibly derives from jihad and it may mean somone who should be fought against or someone who fights against God. If a Muslim wants to insult his fellow Muslim he would say to him, you are worse than a Jew. And that is a serious offence. You must have read that Muslims sometimes call me a Jew. It is not that they think I am a Jew. It is because they want to insult me. By calling me a Jew they express their hatred.
You must understand that you can’t make peace with Muslims. They will never accept you as equal. They will accept you as dhimmi (bonded) but never as equal. This is true about Christians too, but Jews are first and Christians will be the next. As they say, first comes Saturday and then Sunday. What they mean by this is that first we will subdue the Jews (people of Sabbath) and then the Christians, who celebrate thier religion on Sunday.
There is only one solution. Muslims must be weaned from Islam. Instead of trying to establish a dialogue with them, which you will never succeed, attack their religion. Help them see Muhammad was a liar and this insane hatred that they harbor for the Jews is the result of following a psychopath. They act insane because they follow an insane man.
You can’t appease a bully. The Jews in Medina could bring Muhammad down and smash his nose, but they feared him instead and tried to appease him. It resulted in their genocide. There were millions of Jews in Germany and not all the Germans were against them. They could fight against Hitler, assassinate the Nazis, bomb their headquarters, and shoot them in the streets. They could cause chaos and burn the cities. Many Germans would have taken their side. Governments can be toppled when there is unrest. But they didn’t do anything. They tried to not rock the boat. Six million of them were incinerated as the result. Compare that to how a tiny group of Muslims have terrorized the entire Europe that no one dares to whisper a word against them. What does this tell us? It tells us that strength gets more result than appeasement.
Isn’t it time for the Jews to realize that the only way to survive is through strength and not through appeasement?
Jews overwhelmingly voted for Obama when this man’s enmity to Israel and his connection to Muslims were glaringly obvious. They decided to close their eyes to facts and believe in his lies. Even today, after this fraud has proven to be no friend of Israel, most Jews will vote for him again. What is wrong with you people? If you don’t know what is good for you, what can others do for you? Why the great majority of Jews are liberal when it is clear that the Left has left them in the cold?
So you want to know how to make peace with Muslims. You can’t, unless you agree to be a dhimmi. Muslims will never take a Jew as their friend or ally. This is against the Quran (5:51).
There is only one solution. Wean them from Islam. Show them that Islam is a lie and Muhammad was a psychopath. He was a deceiver. This is not difficult. I have been doing it with great success. Muslims are leaving Islam in large numbers. Truth is setting them free. Once they leave Islam they will be your friend and ally. Then you can have peace with them. Only then Palestinians and Jews can live together.
Most of the wars and killings that are happening now are because of Islam. They will cease. The world will be a safer place. This is not wishful thinking. It is a reality that is happening already.
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The "propaganda in this university" comment on that guy's shirt is hysterical to me! It is only Jew hatred propaganda going on.
Yafa, read God's War on Terror by Walid Shoebat if you want to see what is happening in the world – it is all Biblical prophecy and frightening. Joel Rosenberg wrote a good book called the Ezekiel Option – although it is fiction it is based on Biblical prophecy too (as was Israel going back to the Jews). The muslims are going to find out soon that we do not worship the same God and will find out his wrath pretty soon. You should also read Ezekiel 38 and 39 of the Bible to see what will happen in Israel.
May God keep you and your family safe xx
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Very well said Ali Sina, specially this quote" The hatred of the Jews is mixed with the milk that Muslims drink from their mother’s breasts". how I know? I used to be one them. Born and raised in Pakistan and taught nothing but hate in childhood (like every child in that country). That hate no longer exist in my soul and thanks to Ali Sina. I hope and wish Almighty forgive me for all those hateful years.
He will. He already has. All's well that ends well.
Powerful post – I congratulate you. There will be many in the West who will tell you that you don't know what you are talking about – that is the depth of their brainwashing – to deny even those with direct experience.
Keep working to discourage institutional and systemic hatred and helping them to find the path you have found.
Baruch HaShem
While commenting on Islam, Rabindranath Tagore, the Nobel Laureate poet and philosopher, said, “There are two religions in the earth, which have distinct enmity against all other religions. These two are Christianity and Islam. They are not satisfied with just observing their own religions, but are determined to destroy all other religions. That’s why the only way to make peace with them is to embrace their religion.”
You speak lies. You must have a doctorate in ignorance because show your proof that Christianity seeks destruction of all other religions! Idiot!
Your answer : where are you sitting my friend?. in what world are you living? It looks like you are in a cocoon built by your ignorance. or U are an extreme fanatic,fundamentalist,supremacist christian living. What did Jesus say ? what the christian missionaries did all over the world and are doing now ? Did your christian tenets allow you to think equality of all religions ? No. Christians must go and convert all other pagans (very derogatory ) to their religion or they will burn in hell ,as they are sinners !!! this is your primary teaching. U will go to heaven as you have direct recommendation from jesus – as you believe in him – this is what you say !!!! what more ridiculous thing and demonic can there be than this? Your pope went to INDIA and declared in New delhi on the festival day of Dewali ( festival of lights, also celebrated as victory of good over evil by HINDUS) ,that this is century of christianity and they must harvest at least 100 million souls for christianity during the coming years, in INDIA !!! Did any world leader lifted their little finger at this demonic statements of Pope ? Who gave him the authority to declare so boldly at other people – telling that Hindus are sinners ? Do you remember what happened in christian expansionism,colonialism,enslavement of nonchristians for 800 years ,all across the globe ? what are jihads and crusades ? Did you hear about the portugal inquisitions in GOA in INDIA? Wake up ,learn truth ,be peaceful, do some good at least that will bring good peace to your tortured soul. And you will reincarnate at higher level of self realisation.
lol… what about your caste?
ryosaebasange ::What about my caste ? If you research and find out some how it came about and what exactly it is – then write article with references , with truth. Not lies and propaganda . You can write all with pervert mentality and imagination. That is different. INDIA was a slave country for 1000 years ,first under ISLAM and then under christian rule. So, at that time everything collapsed and the society was in shambles,literally. whatever Moslems ,christians and other western writers wanted according to thewir whims they wrote. Even now , there is tremendous hostility,aggression from Moslems,christians,communists , against hindus in INDIA. ISLAM is fascism,intolerant,dogmatic,violent,bloodthirsty. christianity is fascism,intolerant,fascism. communism is intolerant,dogma,fascism.
what about your propaganda? lol… everyone here knows that this website is not about Hindu, christian and others… its about Islam. Stop your nonsense and do your propaganda elsewhere…. are Hindus that desperate to equalize Islam with Christianity? rofl…. your mindset is as equal as those moslem… here is a simple link to deny… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNJUFDdXNFw&fe…
what about your caste? wheres your legitimate reference that denies it?
@Ali Sina: does this kind of propaganda is allowed anyway? please comment and/or give warning so that these Hindu people can go elsewhere with their nonsense propaganda.
Ryosaebasange
Don't be so excited and angry on the above comments if you are Christian. These are due to eternal clashes between religions. Those who make these comments very well know what Islam is and what Christianity is. I know. It's not about equating Islam with Christianity. But it will seem so if people utter in a single sentence about islam and christianity.
That will always happen because both islam and christianity tried to spread using missionary tactics in India. There is a core in Hinduism which is based on spirituality. The only other religion/dogma that can hope to atleast give a fight is buddism.
Only valid reason hindus can ever logically accept other religions is because of caste.
You will never find in HISTORY that any damn other coo-coo abrahamic religions ever logically defeated Hindus. A written debate like Ali Sina's on islam will never happen, cannot happen against hinduism.
Your coo-coo brain will understand only caste, cow piss drinking and rat and monkey worshipping hindus.
By "written debate" I wanted to mean "written debate with a 50 grand challenge".
If ever Rabindranath said the above, it is because of the day to day experiences in India and with Christians. He was a nobel laurate on literature not on philosophy or religious philosophy.
When I want to convert ot Christianity what possible reason can you give me to convert?
Christ is the only way to god? NO.
There is no Casteism in Christianity? Yes/NO?
Love thy enemy? Yes/NO.
Be still and know I am ****? Yes/NO?
Hinduism's spirituality is more than that. It tells you why should you be still and know, why can't you know otherwise. Theosophy is some separate 'BRANCH' of religion in hinduism. You believe in god because you talk with god. Not otherwise.
Theosophy is the core of hinduism. It is not a separate 'BRANCH' of hinduism.
When you are trying to support coo-coo Christianity you need to confront hindus with some logic better than casteism. Next time try cow piss drinking and monkey god worshipping for a change.
bla… bla.. bla…
look at your idiotic statement:
" I know. It's not about equating Islam with Christianity"
"That will always happen because both islam and christianity tried to spread using missionary tactics in India"
waiting for Ali Sina response… wanting to know where this site goes… if its only about Islam… I'll stay and read.. but if it goes without clear objective and letting the Hindu full hatred comment take place, I'll simply leave.
I do agree with you. I'm Hindu by birth and I have to say that I hate all these BS arguments about Christianity and Hinduism. It is distracting it never amounts to anything. I'm always forced to ask people to calm down the rhetoric or report fellow Hindus and Christians for starting these stupid discussions.
ryosaebasange please email Dr. Sina directly with these concerns. I would do it myself, but I am not in a position to do so at this moment. It is faithfreedom2@gmail.com
thx my friend. please ask Ali Sina to do the same for those who post any comment about other religion. we are not fighting other religion. we are fighting Islam!
I try to report or discourage anyone who starts discussions about religions other than Islam regardless of which religion it may be (Hinduism or Christianity). You are exactly right. take care.
darkfire316,
I am all for discouraging it myself. But whoever cares should himself/herself create a guideline and may forward just as suggestions to the editors and owner of the site. And then see whether the reasoning and logic (not even going to implementation) behind the guidelines truly hold water.
This will obviously be good for the site.
Hi Shrek,
I have been forwarding my concerns to the editors frequently but no one has been answering me. I suggest you try and also email Dr. Sina himself.
Regards
"bla… bla.. bla…
look at your idiotic statement: "
"but if it goes without clear objective and letting the Hindu full hatred comment take place, I'll simply leave."
I want to let you know that hindus are famous world over for Crusades and 'Christ is the only way to god' moronic statements like this.
your statement 1 day ago was very intelligent, not 'idiotic':
"lol… what about your caste? "
Addition of 'lol' was necessary in response to the wordings used by not R. Brahmachari by Rabindranath himself (supposedly).
Caste was the dignified response to the moronic statement Christianity uses to convert: "Christ is the only way to god".
You by your actions show how Christians behave when cornered.
Obviously, this site is not to further causes of any other dogma or religion.
Why don't you go and suggest (email) Ali Sina some guidelines about what not to be mentioned by any commentators in this site? I am all for it even though I utter idiotic statements in front of your intelligent Christian defenses.
Hi Shrek,
There was no need for this and to post this against ryosaybasange. I have seen you post before and I believe you to better than that.
But anyways I will eventually contact Dr. Sina (as I can't right now), but in the mean time if you can you should do this. Best Regards.
previously the comments used to take time because it showed a message that it was submitted for publishing.
2 types of filtering and censorship can be done – manual and programmed.
1 idea is to attach a flag with a user email id and block that user email id after receiving sufficient number of flags from sufficient no. of users.
There's already commandantments on the site how one can respond. Editors remove those who do not use anything other than vulgarity and name calling and give a message in the same space.
I think it will be too much of a work for editors to bring censorship and filtering into the 'comments' section.
I believe you will never see Ali Sina agreeing to restrict anybody on comments section. They already have a policy to block people who constantly use abusive words and it's on editors.
you really need to behave like human. Ogre!
none of my offensive word is necessary if you, Ogre, don't start the oppresion.
see the whole comment before writing any further moronic comment.
really2 confused… which Hindu teaching is actually right… the idiotic Ogre shrek or human darkfire. well I gues just like Ali Sina always have in his end of debate, let the jury judge ^_^
best statement of the day:
" I am all for it even though"
"all" with exception?? ROFL
and heres another funny statement:
" I know. It's not about equating Islam with Christianity"
"That will always happen because both islam and christianity…."
Not "equating" but "both"? lol
thx for the joke Ogre
Tagore is wrong. I enjoy his poetic essays and aphorisms but in this case, especially as relates to the 21st century, he is wrong. Where are the Christian clerics these days calling for the murder of others? Nigeria? Sudan? Egypt? No. To call an equivalence between Christians' supposed incitement and violence and a million imams worldwide calling for jihad against dar-al-Harb is a plain lie.
Another Nobel dickhead, like Obumboy and Iranian agent, Mo el Baradei, guardian of the Iranian nuke! Why hasn't he embraced the religion of piss then??
I have periodically visiting this website and read articles and debates which I have found interesting and enlightening. However I detect some disturbing overtones from time to time, including one in Ali Sina's response above. The reference to Jews voting for Obama, branding him as a liar and no friend of theirs, and the attack on liberalism is blatantly political. You have gone past the border of discrediting Islam and are now telling Jews that they will always be hated by all Muslims (this itself is an incitement to hatred) and who they should vote for. You are also portraying the Israel-Palestinian conflict as a war purely between Jews and Muslims, when in fact there are a host of other groups and issues involved. It causes me to ask: Am I really reading an islam-sceptic site or a right-wing pro-Israel propaganda site!? While the pro-Islam website faithfreedom.com is blatantly anti-Israel (and anti-Jew), this website is tending in the same direction towards Muslims. It's objectivity is being compromised. Focus on the faith itself, not the people and avoid being party political. To do the contrary will only play into the hands of your opponents and alienate readers.
Jew hatred is a major and undeniable part of Islamic theology. As long as Islam is part of the discussion, there will be no peace. If a secular group would gain support in the Palestinian areas, it is possible.
"(this itself is an incitement to hatred)" Is it? Have you read the hamas manifesto? http://www.thejerusalemfund.org/www.thejerusalemf…
"You are also portraying the Israel-Palestinian conflict as a war purely between Jews and Muslims, when in fact there are a host of other groups and issues involved." What is it about then? Even if israel was not a jewish state but just a secular one muslims would still have to wage jihad against it. Do you really think hamas cares about getting equal rights for arabs? Of course not, they have stated clearly what they want i.e to exterminate the jews and create a islamic theocracy.
But what Dr. Sina has written is true. You like it or not.
He is looking at it from what is written in the ‘Holy book’ of the muslims. This ‘holy book’ caused mayhem, indignation to lots of lives.
He is talking out of anguish, when talking about jewish support for the incumbent president.
Liberalism must lead others to liberalism. Liberalism shouldn’t be used to dhimmify others.
He is not attacking liberalism. He is poking at the mistakes of jewish people in supporting the incumbent president.
Mika : Dr. ALI SINA is doing yeoman service, and a fine job at bringing awareness,presenting facts , telling truth about ISLAM. You need a global perspective,understanding in terms of religion,social values,geography,history,governance,laws, and societies and cultures. Being a former Moslem Dr. ALI SINA is eminently suitable for this kind of writtings in the interest of humanity,welfare of world. You failed to understand the Moslem psyche which is totally under the influence and in full control of under ISLAM . No via media is possible. Either you submit,follow or die . No scope for peaceful coexistence or equality, equal justice, equal laws, no scope for freedom, no scope for democracy ,no scope for peace in ISLAM.
Dear Yafa/ Ali Sina,
Ali has 200 percent read the muslim mind against infidel especially poor Jews. The problem is not with muslims, but islam. Even in remote areas where there is no trace of jews, the muslims are milk-fed with jew hatred in the mosques. All of you just think, we have been taught from our childhood that snake is a dangerous creature, so whenever we see it either we kill or become frightened. The same is the muslim mind. They live in the illsionized mental state of hatred and fear of infidels. They terrorize their own heart with this illusion. One think I don’t agree with Ali is what he told about dhimmi. Ali, if the jews become dhimmis, even though, the hatred will not cease because muslims believe that Jews have the brain to betray them from their faith of islam as their Prophet also believed. Prophet also reminded his followers not to read Torah or Injeel, as these books will betray muslims, because he had copy-pasted in quran all those stuffs from these books. There is another belief among muslims that the antichrist or Dajjal is a jew and he will rule the world for certain years before imam Mehdi & second arrival of Christ. Anyway these are all blunters, but for the rest of humanity or Jews this is a psycological advantage, so dears, react atleast now. Feed your children with muslim hated. Turn back to history of yours, wherever you appealed for peace you were ethnically cleansed. Don’t look at muslims with humanity, they are just like poisonous snakes, wherever you find them don’t be frightened, just decieve, attack and kill them. Muslims gameplay is only with numbers. Their numbers should be reduced if they accept appostasy as Ali says, or they should be killed when seen what I have been taught. I know the exact psycology of muslims as I was one among them.
For Sina, I have a question. I heard that Yazid ibn Muaiviyya had ethnically cleansed Muhammed’s family & whoever claims to be from him is a liar. And Yazid had destroyed Ka’aba in the act of suppressing the rebels. Is it true & was he such a bad man as muslims claim? If you are free please answer.
"Don't look at muslims with humanity, they are just like poisonous snakes, wherever you find them don't be frightened, just decieve, attack and kill them. Muslims gameplay is only with numbers. Their numbers should be reduced if they accept apostasy as Ali says, or they should be killed when seen what I have been taught."
Holy cow! When I said these things? How come everything I say is twisted and misinterpreted? No Sir. We are not going to hate Muslims. We will hate Islam and will do our best to save Muslims from this disease. And if they refuse we simply keep them at bay. We know we can't trust them so let them stay in their own countries and we in ours. Eventually they will wake up, as most Iranians have. Then they are us. We can't win this war with hate. Of course we can't win it either with love. But we can win it with truth. We will be always ready to receive them as brothers, as soon as they drop their hatred against us. How can we win them if we kill them? That would be utterly stupid. Violence is the truf of Islam. We will never be able to win this war through violence or with war.
No, the Umayyads did not ethnically cleansed Muhammad's family. I am a descendant of Ali and there are hundreds of thousands of Iranians who say they are descendants of Muhammad's daughter and Ali. The Umayyads killed those who rose against their authority. Islam was a power struggle since the death of Muhammad.
Dear Ali,
Thanks for your comment. You misunderstood the sentance. I wrote ‘if they accept appostacy as Ali says’ or “they should be killed when seen that I was taught”. Here first part is what you say & the second is my advice to Jews. What is wrong in it. it is a quran verse against infidels, I just used it here. Now just think a group of people are going to kill you for no reason and you got this information already, what will you do? You have to play an offensive defence here otherwise you will be killed. If the jews remain the same then they would have to face the do or die situation in near future.
What people should really notice by now is that ali sina is not teaching us about peace, judging humanity by the little knowledge that he has over it, can’t seem to give a good enough reason but just giving his opinion, yes he can debate, yes he can give a good arguement, but NO he’s never right, yep that’s what ali sina is, an attetion seeking wannabe peace maker, yes you muslims jews and christians can diss me, but the truth is that this ali sina bloke is a big joke and nothing more,
Why don't you come up with your arguments to prove Dr. Sina wrong.
Historical events prove the veracity of Ali Sina's contention that Jews and Christians will only be tolerated – barely – if they are dhimmis.
First, the anti-Jewish jihad really only started once Jews decided to assert political control via Zionism. Before that, Jews were generally tolerated as dhimmis, and were even rescued by the Turks during the Spanish Inquisition. Christian persecution was always deadlier
Likewise, Christians have seen violent challenges in Lebanon, since that was where they had significant political power prior to Hezbollah's rise. i should also mention the Armenians, whom the Turks massacred when they challenged Turkish power in WWI.
Islam is like Communism: A power ideology that demands absolute control.
The moral of the story: If you're not Muslim, keep your head down and say "Yowzah!" when a Muslim gives you an order – and you might get by if you're lucky.
Before that, Jews were generally tolerated as dhimmis, and were even rescued by the Turks during the Spanish Inquisition. Christian persecution was always deadlier"
You are forgetting that the jews aided the muslims in conquering spain & portugal.Jews had a choice to either convert or be expelled.
I suggest you read John J. O'Neill's book, Holy Warriors. The Jews most likely would not have aided the Muslims because they being merchants and having access to travel would have learned that Muhammad banished and massacred Jewish tribes in Arabia and would not have trusted such people.
Furthermore the Jews held high positions under Islamic Rule because of their divide and conquer policy where one group was turned against the other to divert attention from Islamic Rule.
Why are you wrong about everything? Does it bother you how pathetic every one of your arguments are, and how you run away from discussions only to make the same stupid lies as another username? Keep it coming liar.
You keep coming back to these boards and I'll keep exposing you
I mentioned above that the jews provided valuable aid to the muslim conquerors.And all you did was prove me right.
The Jews most likely would not have aided the Muslims because they being merchants.."
No kidding!
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Muhammad banished and massacred Jewish tribes in Arabia and would not have trusted such people."
So what?The Jews massacred 20 000 christians in pre-Islamic Arabia.Should christians have trusted such people too?
Arabian Jews dug trenches & burnt to death thousands of Christians for refusing to renounce their faith.
Ohhhh more antisemitism from the great El Padrino!!!!
I just told how you were wrong about he Jews aiding Muslims. That's it. But instead you expose more of your Jew Hatred by quoting a Jewish massacre for no reason at all.
More Jew Hatred. Keep it up and thanks for providing me more ammo
"So what?The Jews massacred 20 000 christians in pre-Islamic Arabia.Should christians have trusted such people too?
Arabian Jews dug trenches & burnt to death thousands of Christians for refusing to renounce their faith."
Wow El Padrino you should really think about starting your own religious KKK division. Keep up the great work.
So now let's get this straight:
1) Anti-atheist
2) Definetly anti-jewish with so much hatred he can't even contain it in his wall posts
3) Anti-Pagan
4) Anti-Hindu (that's your favorite. I can't forget that)
Keep it coming you lying hatemonger
Wow El Padrino you should really think about starting your own religious KKK division."
Perhaps when you bring back your religious Thuggee sect which has killed 2 million people in India
Ohhhh so now he exposes his hindu hatred by lying about that too.
Hindus, Muslims, and Sikhs comprised the thuggees El Padrino. Keep up the lies
And by the way, thuggees were the direct result of Islam in India. Families were displaced and had no means to support themselves so they turned to being bandits.
But hey you don't care. You're a liar.
Hindus, Muslims, and Sikhs comprised the thuggees El Padrino. Keep up the lies "
The Thuggee Cult is a Hindu sect that is known for its notorious strangulations of travelers in India generally throughout central India… http://www.mahavidya.ca/hindu-sects/the-thuggee-c…
Awww poor El Padrino looking to vent all his hate.
Still doesn't change the fact that Muslims and Sikhs were in this cult too.
Still doesn't change the fact that it happened because of Islam
Keep it coming liar. Hey what would Jesus say about your lies?
El Padrino,
The problem arises when religious basis is behind crime. What is Thugee's ideology for acting like bandits? Is it justified same as Christians killed pagans and others? Do you even have the faintest idea what hinduism is before making Christianity holier and grander before it?
how alive is the Thugee sect? How is it creating branches all over the world?
Thugees killed 2 million people in India. Christian missionaries and Christian Britishers killed how many? 100 people? Britishers should be forgiven because their motivation was economical? Really? You are no better than the muslims who come here repeating 'islam means peace'. You think you are better. Think whatever you want to think.
"Perhaps when you bring back your religious Thuggee sect which has killed 2 million people in India"
""So what?The Jews massacred 20 000 christians in pre-Islamic Arabia.Should christians have trusted such people too?
Arabian Jews dug trenches & burnt to death thousands of Christians for refusing to renounce their faith."
That's two tonight!!! Keep it coming!!! I'll have a great time requoting it later when you hide under another screen name so you can bash other religions
jewdog, I would like to draw your attention to this post: http://jewishrefugees.blogspot.com/2011/11/many-a…
It shows that this has nothing to do with Zionism and more to do with the rise of islam and arabs, the influence of Haj Amin al husseini, hitler's bum chum.
remember————Messianic Jews are already counting down to 5,777 year that is in Gregorian calendar 2017-2018…..there will AGAIN be 6 bloody moons and solar eclipses…..ALLLLLLLLLLLL DURING so called "Jewish" festivals.
The whole world needs to understand that WHOEVER turns against Jews, has their LIVING GOD' attention.
Yes……..it is written that Israel's border will be from one river to another—-from NILE to EUPHRATES. What does that mean?
No more Egypt
No more Iraq
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Moslems deceive themselves
Not in vain Bible states that nearly HALF of world's population will die……anti-Christ will be a military giant—-ruthless.
Grab your Bible and visit Messianic Synagogue so you prepare accordingly.
Barbara
"Yes……..it is written that Israel's border will be from one river to another—-from NILE to EUPHRATES. What does that mean? "
Where is this written> In the Protocol of Zion? That document is forgery my dear. Jews don't want those lands and they don't need them. All they want is that tiny land they have and want to live in peace with others.
they don't want them now but as the number of believers will show itself too great—–that very region WILL need space:) Interestingly Isaiah 19 (prophecy about Egypt) tells that Egyptians rebel against God of Abraham, Isaac and Yaakov. They will chose their own cruel ruler who will oppress them beyond endurance….THEN they will cry out to ADONAI, not allah, and HE WILL rescue them…. the same to happen for Iraq…ONLY A REMNANT will remain out of Egypt and Iraq…..and they will be pilgrims to Jewish Yerushalayim.
Don't take what you read in the Bible seriously. Those things are not prophecies about our time. They were written after the events happened but were dated earlier so they look like prophecy to the believers. That book has no relevance for our time. Of course there are some words of wisdom and some good teachings – things that are commonsense and you can come to them on your own.
As long as muslims are teaching their children to hate and disrespect anyone who isn't a muslim, there will never be peace
I am with Sina on his views on Islam and liberals' hatred for Jews but I don't like Sina getting political and anti-democrat or anti-Obama himself. There are many liberals, like me, who visit this site will be turned off by anti- democrat views of the site owner.
The hatred and terror of Muslims is inspired by Koran and mohamad and is religious.Let's keep poltiics out of it.
Do you need a mosque in and around ground zero?
Can an ordinary citizen construct the mosque there, without political support?
Why islam is not yet banned in U.S. even when muslims everywhere shout "death to America"?
Look at:
Unholy Alliance: Radical Islam And the American Left
http://www.amazon.com/Unholy-Alliance-Radical-Isl…
and
Radical-in-Chief: Barack Obama and the Untold Story of American Socialism
http://www.amazon.com/Radical—Chief-Barack-Amer…
Islam is more political than religious. It was about consolidation of wealth for the Muhammad, when he was alive.
Your scale for comparing Islam is your own religion which I see from your username is Hinduism. If so, you will be holding the opinion that Islamist have the same agenda like a regular Hindu (Which can be summed up as Sarvesham Svasthir Bhavatu or Vasudeiva Kutumbakam) only this time they use violence and trickery to achieve the same goal.
There is nothing religious in stealing wealth, deceiving ignorant people, and killing unarmed people. These things are all Islam is about (From the Quran and the examples in the Sira). Islam is about Usurping power through verbal, demographic and violent jihad. Islam IS political activism, therefore Islam should be tackled politically more than spiritually or militarily.
Muslims don't get along with Hindus, Russians, Israelis, Americans, Europeans and people from this planet. Actually, let me rephrase it, I really meant Muslim clerics, they are the ones creating all these conflicts and the main instigators for the violence, hatred, resentment, terrorism and discrimination within Islam.
I agree with you for this one, those clerics (some) are provoking the muslim young generation about hating the other religions, jews mostly, but what people should notice is that this is mostly happened in the middle-east and will go back to the topic between israel and palestine, but anyhow, a muslim child without the teachings of a paranoid muslim clerics CAN actually live in peace with other religions, try taking humanity for what they are instead of putting religion behind all this
Your a LIRE I know many many Muslims and they are the most kindest, caring people I have ever met, I am British and have many Muslim friends and get along with very well, also Muslims are not the ones that start the conflicts but other leading countries involve them. Plus all the wars and conflicts that involve the Muslims and lead by either the Americans, Jews and British.
One more thing that I may disagree with Sina here is his use of the word "insane" to describe mohamed. I am not sure if we can go that far back in history to judge his mental capability.
But let's not forget that in the near past we also had extremely hateful and murderous leaders like Hitler, Stalin etc who had full control of their senses but were just evil, driven by hatred or greed. Mohamed could easily fall into that category- without being "insane".
And do you think Hitler and Stalin were sane? You should read my book.
AliSina said: You must have read that Muslims sometimes call me a Jew. It is not that they think I am a Jew. It is because they want to insult me. By calling me a Jew they express their hatred.
I FELL OFF MY CHAIR LAUGHING – Brilliant
The Muslims and Muslimahs in the world are ignorant of the fact that the founder of Islam, Muhammad ibn Abdullah, was not fighthing against Israel or the Jews. To put it simply, he has utterly no respect for the God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob and he was rebelling and fighting against Him. The Quranic verses are proofs of his audacity and stupidity. Wake up, braindead zombies! Look at how God dealt with Pharoah, King of Egypt, when he stubbornly refused to let the Hebrews go. Please always bear in mind that my loving Creator God never slumber 24/7 and He is watching over all His friend's descendants. Why join a rebel like Muhammad ibn Abdullah in his stupid rebellion against the Almighty God of the whole Universe and ended up with him in hell?
READ THIS AND YOU WILL UNDERSTAND THE PROBLEM
American first Cultural war was with the American Indian. It was almost a genocidal war for the American Indian and their culture.
The Middle East conflict is an Islamic Cultural War. It is not about land, rights or settlements, water or being politically left or right. If it were it would have been solved long ago. It is not. It is Cultural War that means Islamic Culture must destroy Western Culture or Western Culture must destroy Islamic Culture it is a Genocidal War.
The book "Culture and Conflict”, explains it clearly. It shows that current cultural conditions in the Arab Middle East will not support internal development, advancement or peace until there is a major cultural change. “It is critical that we understand our enemy. That is step one in every conflict,” RR. Philip Carl Salzman, INSB # 978-1-59102-587-0.
Hi Robin Rosenblatt, the Middle East conflict is not so simple as what you've described above. It's all about that insane false prophet, Muhammad ibn Abdullah's jealousy, envy, hatred towards the Jews because the God of Ibrahim, Ishaq and Yaqub and has decreed that He will establish His covenant with Ishaq and not with Ishmael, that through the descendants of Ishaq and Yaqub, the whole earth will be blessed and this angered Muhammad ibn Abdullah because he was a narcissist and he was extremely prideful. So, you'll realized that throughout the Quran, Muhammad incited his followers to hate the Jews and to annihilate them, as they are not fit to live on planet earth. The Dome of the Rock built by his devout cunning followers is a good example of Muhammad and his followers' jealousy toward the Jews. So, it's not the land issue, it's the heart and attitude of Muhammad and his followers' jealousy and hatred towards the legitimate descendants of Ibraham, Ishaq and Yaqub.
Pure propaganda by Mr.Sina. Funny, how you don't mention any quotes from Jewish texts and what they say about non-Jews. From the Talmud;
Yebamoth 98a. All gentile(non-Jewish) children are animals.
Sanhedrin 57a . When a Jew murders a gentile, there will be no death penalty. What a Jew steals from a gentile he may keep.
Baba mezia, 114b The Jews are called human beings, but the non-Jews are not humans. They are beasts.
Also, historically the Muslims have treated the Jews MUCH better than the Christians have (Spanish inquisition, Nazi Germany,etc). Anyone with even a bit of knowledge can see right through the agenda that Mr.Sina tries to promote.
Babu, Show me one Jew who kills others becuse he follows the Bible. You can't show me even one person? Well I can show you a billion Muslims who are filled with hate and miillions of them ready to kill because of the Quran.
No historically Muslims never treated anone well. Muslims have abused all the people and continue doing so from Philipines to France.
Have you ever heard of the Stern Gang that killed British people in the 1940's in present-day Israel? This group invented car bombs and killed Brits because they thought they were enemies of the Jewish people. The very well-known case of Baruch Goldstein who killed 29 Muslims inside a Mosque? I could go on and on but what's the point since you only consider it a crime when Muslims are the agressors.
Really, a billion Muslims are ready to kill? What a joke.
Yes, Muslims did treat some people well. In fact the Jewish people were treated much better under Muslim rule than under Christian rule during the middle ages. Sometimes the Muslims did not treat people well as is the case with the Armenians. Every group has a history of doing good and bad. Also, today why are Westerners flocking to places like Dubai? I know many non-Muslims that live there and they don't complain about their treatment.
Yes, Mr Babu, no doubt there are some wicked Jews too in the world but if you take a good look at the present context, you'll realized that majority of the acts of terrorism were commited by Muhammad ibn Abdullah's super faithful followers and that's a real concern to Dr Ali Sina and to us, who want to live in peace and not in fear of terrorism every single day. The Quran is the source that incites all Muslims to hate the Jews and the founder of Islam was the culprit behind it all!
I agree, today many acts of terrorism are being committed by Muslims. However, why does only terrorism done by Muslims count as violence and not the wars started by other countries? One million Iraqi civilians have died, what do you call that? How many Vietnamese were killed during the Vietnam war? Who wree the greatest killers of the 20th century, Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot, and Mao tsung-were they Muslims?
Mr Babu, do you know that the effort and influence of one Muslim ie. Haj al-Husseini is good enough to annihilate 6 million Jews in Germany? Do you know that just a small group of Muslims can demolish the twin towers in New York city? Have you played Minesweeper game or walk through a minefield? All these atrocities are real concerns to the whole world because there are many such time bombs or explosive mines planted all over planet earth and the mastermind behind all these braindead zombies is the dead false prophet, Muhammad ibn Abdullah, the author of the Quran. As you look at Iran, you'll understand that it's all about Muhammad and the Quran and Iran is a nuclear time bomb on planet earth and the fact that we are all going to suffer the day it explode due to Ahmadinejab's stupidity.
BABU :: During the ISLAMIC rule in INDIA, an estimated 80 million HINDUS were slaughtered. World wide , an estimated 270 million infidels were slaughtered over a period of 700 years ISLAMIC invqsions,conquests, enslavements,colonisation. SLAVERY ,rape,fear and terror are ISLAMIC ideas – concepts. ISLAM is totalitarianism,fascism. YOu failed to understand . Every evil thing ,cruel,barbarism, killing is sanctioned by ISLAM /QQURRAN / MO. Read your QQUURRAN/ SIRA/ HADITHS.
Why are Westerners flocking to places like Dubai ?? For money; simple – suffer the muslims for a few years and when back home enjoy a better life !
You mean why are the Westerners safe in Dubai? They are BADLY needed and they will do everything to get them there ! Westerners are way better paid in Dubai then their fellow (incapable) Muslim brothers. Who built the Dubai of today??? The muslims ? Wow. They sat on oil with no clue of its existance – NEVERMIND getting it out and do something with it ! Islam is nothing but hillarious superstition and stupidity. And a manace to humanity, of course!
Even if what you say is true (anyone who has been in the region knows it's a ridiculous claim by you but for agruments sake let's assume it's true), it shows that Muslims can treat non-Muslims well. Also, if non-Muslims are willing to "suffer" for money, what does this say about the western mindset?
Babu: Your name is not a moslem one !!! If a strict Moslem knows that U are imitating a kufr, INFIDEL then they will give a fatwa to declare apostacy on you and cut your throat which is the most ISLAMIC law!!! Do nonmoslems in DUBAI has equal rights as those of Moslems? will the nonmoslems be treated as equal citizens ? Will Dubai has secular,pluralistic, equality based constitution ? Giving constitutional guarantee? Do DUBAI follow ISLAMIC rule or secular,democratic,freedom,peace,equality for all laws?
Actually I was open to the possibility that such verses are in Talmud. So I did some searching for them on the internet, and the only place I found them was on antisemitic websites.
There are searchable talmuds online, but I could not find anything similar to what Babu is quoting. Now I think that perhaps he just is a Jew-hater.
There are many versions of the Talmud-some are heavily edited with the controversial passages taken out. If you can get your hands on the Steinsaltz edition you'll see the most complete version.
My googling for your quotes only returned antisemitic websites.
But let's just assume that there is some version of Talmud that has such verses.
It would still require some study to understand the context of the verses, how they have been interpreted by the Jewish people at various time of history, and what importance they have for the contemporary Jews.
I do know Jews both orthodox, reformed and atheists, and I have never heard about such verses, nor have I ever heard anyone else proposing that Jews should live accordingly.
My impression of Talmud is that the first part of it is called Mishna, and indeed is important to the religious Jews, however the remaining parts are commentaries, and commentaries of commentaries, etc. They are probably of very little consequence for ordirany Jews.
Ok agreed the torah has a lot of nonsense, but who is or which jew is asking for laws to be made as per torah? Which jew is kiling the infidels in the name of god? Which jew is raping a 6 year old in the name of God? Which jew is lootin in the name of god? Rioting in the name of god? Moslems do all the things in the name of mohammad and the rapist and pimp allah.You must be a keralite moslem scum bag.Go and see if your daughter in law is in burkha or in revealing clothes, just like your rapist rasool did.
Asking for laws as per the Torah? There was just a recent case in New York where orthodox Jews posted signs telling women to move to the side if they see a man walking by and for women to sit in the back of the bus. Here are the links;
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/nationnow/2011/10…
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/20/nyregion/bus-se…
Hi Babu, I think that many traditional cultures and beliefs in every religion doesn't pose threats to people all over the planet earth like Islam did. Look at the Palestinians on how they educate their future generations to be suicide bombers and murderers and you'll know that this is a cult and not a religion of 'peace' at all. Look at the president of Iran, Mr Ahmadinejab on how he seek to glorify Muhammad ibn Abdullah and his allah by spending the nation's money to invent nuclear weapons instead of helping the poor Iranians, so as to wipe Israel off the map and you'll know that this is the religion of terrorism.
Well, the Tamil tigers in Sri lanka were also comitting suicide bombings-does this mean that Hinduism teaches them that? These are political battles that you try to blame on religion.
As for Iran and nuclear weapons. If Iran is crazy for pursuing them, what does this make the Western countries who invented them, have the most nukes, and have used them?
"If Iran is crazy for pursuing them, what does this make the Western countries who invented them, have the most nukes, and have used them?" See this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8UEVoSJmfs
Mr Babu, maybe you should try asking why the Muslims always shouted 'Allahu Arkbar' everytime they did atrocities in the name of their Muhammad's allah and you'll understand it's all about their religion of death.
I've never know any Western Countries threatened to throw nuclear bombs at a small tiny nation like Israel for fun except Iran. As for the World War II tragedies, please don't blame the Americans for throwing two Atomic bombs at Japan because many human beings in many countries are crying for help and deliverance from the hands of that bloodthirsty Emperor of Japan.
Most jews don`t believe in that book.
OK, but why is that a reason for concern for you?
Nobody is forced to be Orthodox Jew.
It is a free choice, if someone does not like, they can leave and nobody is going to cut their head off.
On the other hand if they want to play that game out of their free choice, who are we to interfere.
Actually I have read most of the Torah/OT. I don't recall any place there that calls for rape of anyone, let alone children.
There are many violent passages, regarding the conquest of Canaan. The difference is that Jewish god tells Jews to conquer Canaan, the Muhammadan god tell Muslims to conquer all of the world.
Jews are uninterested in world conquest. Uninterested in converting others.
What do you think of these;
Exodus 21:17 Anyone who curses their father or mother is to be put to death.
Exodus 31:15 For six days work is to be done, but the seventh day is a day of sabbath rest, holy to the LORD. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day is to be put to death
Deuteronomy 22:28-29 If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay her father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.
Ok, so when was it last time that a Jew was put do death for working on Sabath?
You are probably right that Judaism was quite severe 3000 years ago. However what you are seemingly not aware of that humanity and Judaism, has developed a lot since then. The only thing that has stayed stagnated is Islam. It is still living in the dark ages.
Babu,
Considering Mr. Sina is trying to push forward pro-jewish agenda, would you care to agree or disagree that his challenge (the charges brought against pedo MO) cannot be won even if he proves to be zionist conspirator?
If it can be won, why don't you show mercy on muslims and do the honors?
Mixing 2 intentions (say, Sina – a zionist conspirator and a Islam challenger) is not a reason to invalidate the challenge to Muhammadans.
Do you have the guts to give a 50 grand challenge regarding Judaism?
Even if Judaism is threat, Islam is way bigger than that. Only first class muslim retards will deny this.
Muslims have always survived by diverting attentions. Nobody cares if Sina is truly a zionist conspirator. Islam cannot gain equal footing with Judaism or Christianity. All other religions have a scope to reform. Islam is Allah's direct unchangeable words. No amendments ever possible there.
I never said he was a zionist conspirator. I said he has an agenda that he tries to push and he uses select examples and does not give the full picture. He can fool those who have no knowledge of history or geopolitics, but others can easily see right through him.
I have no idea challenge you are talking about.
It would be interesting to see the results of a world poll asking what is the bigger danger to the world, Islam or the worldwide military presence of the U.S. People around the world are way more afraid of American ships off their shores and bases around the world than they are of Islam. That's why countries like China are building up their military-they know that the American threat to them is much more severe.
You will find the 50000 USD challenge on website http://www.faithfreedom.org. I was talking about that challenge. Go through that site, debates and you will be clearer about my previous posting.
Ali Sina's primary motive is his challenge as you will easily see from that site. That is against islam. Now if islam has nothing good to offer (not about muslims), why should we dilute the allegations against islam by talking about Judaism at the same time.
Even if Jews are a threat (I don't know), they are a lesser threat than islam. We must prioritize the evils. Otherwise, we cannot remove anything at all.
You are a newcomer to this site which opened after the site faithfreedom.org was already established. You need to go through that site, the challenge and a book written by Ali Sina if you are a muslim. After that logic starts.
Sorry. I was thinking this website is alisina.org. The challenge in this site is here: http://www.faithfreedom.org/the-challenge/the-cha…
If I were a muslim, I would have first defeated this intellectual challenge and then talk about other religions.
Thanks for the link, Shrek. It mentions that you need to be a scholar-I am not a scholar at all. However, I do have some expertise in world history and geopolitics so if Mr. Sina wants to debate an issue such as "who has been been more violent throughout history-Muslims or Westerners" I would be more than willing to do that. I don`t care about the $50,000, I`ll do it for no reward.
You have NOT read the text on the Challenge link end to end.
A Scholar or NOT anybody can debate. But both of them, scholar or not, have to read his book, Understanding Muhammad, first (which he will send your FREE OF COST in pdf). After that Ali Sina will accept your challenge.
This information is given at the end of THAT page under heading:
Edited 2010/08/17
What more? If you think Dr. Sina is not answering logically correctly to your questions, you can publicise your reply to the WHOLE WORLD by opening your own blog, which is very easy or a website.
The reason WHY you should care about this challenge is that however significant or insignificant your qualities are, you as a single human shape the world's politics. Each of us are so important in this world that it is never about ourselves. Each of us, even if we are silent about any topic, affects the future of humanity.
Correcting the whole world is difficult. The only power we have is over ourselves. I must be correct. I should do and believe anything either by mistake or because I know exactly why without hypocrisy.
shrek-I did read the challenge carefully-he said if you are not a scholar you can write to a scholar to accept the challenge and then you can both win the prize. I don't know any scholar and that's besides the point anyways. Why should the rules of the challenge be solely decided by Mr.Sina? Why should I have to read his book? If you take a look at his challenge carefully you'll see it is a clever trick where he can attack and attack but never have to defend anything. My challenge is much more concrete-If Islam is truly as vioent as he says it is then history should indicate that the greatest killers, weapons, etc were from Islamic socities. So my challenge is very simple-who has been more violent historically-Muslims or the West.
It is a simple debate to follow for everyone and if Islam is as violent as he says it is it should be easy to prove that Muslims have been the most violent people on Earth. I have already laid out some of my argument-the greatest killers of the last century were non-Muslims, the most destructive weapons in history are held mostly by the West, it is not the Muslims who have military bases all over the world,etc. I'll add to this that the Muslims as a group have one the lowest crime rates in the U.S., are more educated than the average, and earn more than the average. I've made all these points and Mr.Sina posted one comment and then disappeared.
Ok. I will not reply anymore after this due to replies getting narrower.
#1. What you are mentioning about inviting a scholar is in 'Edited 2008/07/29'. I thought the final edit reinstated the debate with anybody. My mistake.
#2. Don't bother about anti-Islam propaganda sites spreading lies about Islam like faithfreedom.org. When did lies ever won against truth?
Those who spread propaganda wont stop. Those who don't wont even start.
How can Judaism be a threat?
Nobody is force to remain a religious Jew.
And certainly the religious Jews are not interested in converting others their creed. In fact they make it hard to be accepted.
So Judaism is a game played among the concenting individuals, who can stop playing it any minute they chose.
Ali Sina:What is wrong with you people? If you don’t know what is good for you, what can others do for you?"
Let me tell you something about the common mindset of jews.Most Jews still view Islam as nothing but an annoyance to the jewish people,a thorn in their side.But christianity will always be held in the most contempt by jews because they still believe "christians" are responsible for the most loss of jewish life.You simply cannot change this mindset.
I know,I'll probably be accused of being anti-semitic but I don;t see myself that way.
You are antisemetic, as well as anti-atheist, anti-Hindu, and anti-pagan. You've made those comments on the board numerous times. Here's one where you lie about atheists and you put in your Jew hatred at the same time:
"According to Sam Harris,Bill Maher & Christopher Hitchens (btw all have jewish ancestory,pure coincidence) Islam & Christianity are equally dangerous.This is dishonest in my view.All these critics can safely criticize Christianity without fear of being assassinated.Unlike Islamic critics who need bodyguards or even pseudonyms over the internet. "
Why did you have to put that in? Where were Jews even mentioned. You're a hatemonger AND I WILL ALWAYS look for your hateful comments to expose you.
Switch usernames I dare you. Hide from me like a coward. I'll find you. I always will.
Switch usernames I dare you. Hide from me like a coward. I'll find you. I always will. "
Easy there EGO_MANIAC,the world does not revolve around you.Wow, talk about being deluded.
Do you honestly think I'm worried about your stupid comments?Get over yourself,moron.
I don't care if you're worried. Your words are your words
""According to Sam Harris,Bill Maher & Christopher Hitchens (btw all have jewish ancestory,pure coincidence) Islam & Christianity are equally dangerous.This is dishonest in my view.All these critics can safely criticize Christianity without fear of being assassinated.Unlike Islamic critics who need bodyguards or even pseudonyms over the internet. "
Keep up the lies
I'll always be here to expose you
Actually you are correct.
Jews are slow in realizing that today's Christians are different than just 40-50 years ago.
Indeed historically Christians have murdered more Jews, but today the epicenter of antisemitism is in the Muslim world.
It would be very important to wake up the Jewish people to the new reality.
Likewise, leftist were less antisemitic just a couple generations ago, but today the right-wingers are much more supportive of Jews, while leftists became intensely antisemitic.
Again, Jews have not adapted to this change.
I am speaking form my own knowledge of my Jewish people.
Believe me, I am often exasperated by this inflexible attitude.
So, no, I don't think you are particularly antisemitic when you say what you just said.
You must be new to the boards. Look up El Padrino's history. He is antisemitic, antihindu, antiatheist etc. Look up the Sam Harris Board and Sharia in Kerala/India board. Also look up his numerous posts as santiago29.
Great,just look at Robin Rosenblatt comment.She believes the war in the middle east is due to america wanting to destroy islamic culture & vice versa.
Jewdog believes christianity's persecution of jews have been deadlier than muslims.
This is why jewish groups will always seek to appease muslims.They don't view them as dangerous as christians.
Oh poor El Padrino, justifying his antisemitism
Hey let me remind everyone how sincere he is and show what he really thinks about the Jews.
""According to Sam Harris,Bill Maher & Christopher Hitchens (btw all have jewish ancestory,pure coincidence) Islam & Christianity are equally dangerous.This is dishonest in my view.All these critics can safely criticize Christianity without fear of being assassinated.Unlike Islamic critics who need bodyguards or even pseudonyms over the internet. "
Awww poor El Padrino…. You're never gonna get rid of me
Switch usernames and let me have some fun finding you
While reading the select portions of the book "Satan's Trinity: Hitler, Stalin & Muhammad", I find it to be very interesting. It is written in a very lucid manner.
I would like to quote from a modern Urdu poet, Madanpal, from Takhai-‘ul (imagination brought to life) as popularised by the inimitable Gazal singer, Anup Jalota,
The writer of this article does not know keying in the Urdu words of Madanpal here, so has given in Hindi words, (Urdu can also be written in Hindi language)
“”दिल न मिल पाये तो, फिर, आंख बचा कर चल दो ।
बेसबब हाथ मिलाने कि, ज़रूरत क्या है ||””
When transliterated to English:
“Dil na mil paye tho, phir aankh bachakar chal do |
Besabab hath milaane ki zarurath kya hai ||””
Meaning,
“”Where our hearts do not meet on any point, just go away.
What purpose will it serve by mere shaking of hands, all to go in vain ultimately?””
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgALu68DFgg&fe…
Even my name is prophesied in the Bible LOL. Muslims say the Bible is corrupt then why do you refer to the Bible claiming that the word "Moo-HaM-MaD" is mentioned in the Bible. Don't you muslims sound hypocrite? Good try "someone". BTW you are "no one". Sorry I'm not convinced by your stupid Taqiyya video. Better luck next time LOL
The Bible is corrupt, you change it every few years to make it suit your life style, E.g Mary wore a head scarf and yet many Christians do not, what does that tell you about the Christian believers, also Muslims do believe in the Bible but not the ones that were changed by man.
@Babu
I'm amazed at how you conveniently overlooked the precursors of those jewish attacks on arabs in the 1940s, you made it sound as if the Jews just decided to attack without the least provocation from the Muslims, guess what, a retaliatory attack is a far-cry from agression, when Sina said that Jews do not attack people like the Muslims do, he meant a 'without provocation' type attack, of course Sina was sure they attacked the Flotilla. In 1917, there was the Balfour declaration, the British decided to place the Jews in Palestine (we all know that Palestine is a Roman name given to a place where Arab non-Muslims, Jews and Arab Muslims lived) the Muslims did not like that notion and decided to attack the Jews, which they successfully did by killing five Jews and injuring many in 1920, they were actually too cowardly to attack the British Army for obviuos reasons, so they attacked the weaker party.
Emboldened by their initial mayhem, they launched a second more dastardly terror attack that killed 40 Jews in Jaffa, this gingered up the Jews to counter-attack the bloodthirsty Muslims, Groups like the Haganah started the defence, in fact, Haganah translates into defence in the local language (any Jew around to verify?).
Now the Stern Gang acted in the same spirit as the Haganah, the Irgun or the Zvai leumi, what where you expecting, the Jews did not have any centrally controlled government let alone an organised military outfit, they had to defend themselves the only way they could, thy could not just lie supine in the face of such attacks.
Your logic on what constitutes oppression is in the least absurd and at most, a blatant ill-comparison. According to that obtuse logic, every soldier that ever defended Israel by shooting the Jihadists is an oppressor, all those early Israeli defence organisations like the Haganah became redundant with the establishment of an Israeli state, not so with Muslims, they have a government at the same time maintain deadly terror groups, so you picking a group like the Stern Gang is a bit anachronistic, Just think of this, a great number of Arab Muslims live in Israel but you hardly hear any Jew killing those Arabs, but if we flip the coin and place Jews in Gaza, it will be like throwing a sheep in the midst of hungry wolves, I'm sure you will agree. Just think about this, who pulled the first punch in the whole Arab-Israeli historical vendetta.
Uhm, no. The Stern Gang killed British authorities(like lord Moyne) and UN personnel because the group refused to abide by the declaration that limited Jewish immigration and land purchases(1939). This group(like many Jewish extremists today) believed in greater Israel because "God promised them the land" and anyone who is against that should be killed. The United nations security council labelled this group as a terrorist group since it had killed so many British authorities. It was not a defensive act but outright terrorism against Britain.
You have come to faithfreedom.org.
Consider everything else on this website a side business. I sometimes do not agree with some topics on this site.
But, this NEVER invalidates the CHALLENGE to ISLAM.
Defeat this challenge and this jew topic would not even be there.
Because other religions have faults, ISLAM is also allowed to have faults. Is this your yardstick?
Otherwise, contest the challenge if you think brotherhood is about entire humanity and not contained to ONLY muslims.
The Jewish topic is relevant here because that's what the thread is about. Mr.Sina implied that it is all the Muslims fault and I showed passages from their holy book and what is says about non-Jews. The argument that Jews don't follow their religious teachings is ridiculous because the whole idea of Israel is a religious one. I showed how the Jewish Stern gang killed Brits in the name of religion since he indicated that I can't show him even one Jew who has killed for religion. Then I even showed 2 very recent cases where Orthodox Jews forced women to sit in the back of the bus and move aside on the sidewalk if they see a man coming. Not in Israel, but right in New York!!! If Muslims did that in America you would all be jumping up and down going crazy.
Don't bother about anti-islam propaganda sites like faithfreedom.org.
Those who spread propaganda wont stop for anything in this world. Those who don't wont even start.
It is very difficult for adults to change their opinion. Humans form opinion in adolescence before taking responsibilities of LIFE. Ali Sina and those on this site against Islam will NEVER change their opinion even if they are wrong, nor would you. I GUARANTEE YOU.
This is an agorrant pro-Israeli piece with absolutely no point but yelling to everyone that every Muslim is bad and should be destroyed.
I am not a believer to any religion, although I knew well about Bible as I attend church schools. However, understanding is what this so called Dr. Ali missed. (I wonder is this site financed by extreme right wings.)
As many have mentioned, even the Talmud has numerous passages to insult non-Jews. Even the bible, said only 144,000 jews can go to heaven. We all know main religions are likewise, seeking to extend their influence (with the exception of Buddism).
To add with, it is the Jews who first stirred things up in the Middle East. As a matter of fact now, it's uselss to tell them to go back to UK/USA either. But they should refrain from seeking any extension to fulfil their "Great Israel" dream. The plan is easy, give up some of your land and you will have peace with the poor Palestines. If they were granted their place and living, and honor as a human being, would you think there will be so many suicide bombings?
The fact is, you cant live peacefully if you dont let your neighbours live peacefully. Tel Aviv is a bubble because of this.
Ali Sina is a worthless piece of f*ck whose entire life revolves around spreading bullshit over the internet. The man probably pimps his mother to finance this site.
He can rest in the satisfaction that there are only a few Muslims who would be busy replying to his rants.
Sahih Bukhari Volume 5, Book 58, Number 200 Narrated Abu Huraira: That once he was in the, company of the Prophet carrying a water pot for his ablution and for cleaning his private parts. While he was following him carrying it, the Prophet said, "Who is this?" He said, "I am Abu Huraira." The Prophet said, "Bring me stones in order to clean my private parts, and do not bring any bones or animal dung." Abu Huraira went on narrating: So I brought some stones, carrying them in the corner of my robe till I put them by his side and went away. When he finished, I walked with him and asked, "What about the bone and the animal dung?" He said, "They are of the food of Jinns. The delegate of Jinns of (the city of) Nasibin came to me–and how nice those Jinns were–and asked me for the remains of the human food. I invoked Allah for them that they would never pass by a bone or animal dung but find food on them
Hey Hosur, to bad the Arab Pagan Islamic God did not teach Abul Qasim how to make tissue, That would have been more sanity and helpful, right.
@Babu
"The British were concerned about the hearts and minds of the Arabs across their vast holdings in the Middle East, and they responded to the unrest by trying to please the Arabs rather than the Jews. They suspended Jewish immigration and "redefined" the Balfour Declaration. In January 1922, they named al-Hajj Amin al-Huseini permanent president and mufti (interpreter of Islamic law) of a newly created Supreme Muslim Council."
The Stern Gang sent a clear message to the British, whether their attacks were terrorism or not is highly debatable, I assume the UN called those initial Arab attacks on the Jews "a resistance movement" you just proved that the UN has been dhimmified for long. Also, whether they followed their book in wanting to have their land or they just had to have a land to live on, is immaterial, what matters is that they needed that land to escape the european persecution.
Lastly, you failed to understand the substance in the argument: Only Muslims follow their teachings to the letter. We all know that Christians go to Churches on Sundays, because they follow their book, the Jews also do that, but both of them ignore those "not so ceremonious teachings in their books" hence, you don't see Jews stoning people to death, or the Christians killing witches, but the Muslims are still very much in their Quran, that is why you see Muslims killing others from China to Nigeria.
Hosur said: He can rest in the satisfaction that there are only a few Muslims who would be busy replying to his rants.
Exactly, Most Muslims hardly respond to anything at all, their only response is the zombified-automatic killing spree. The Sunni and Shiites have been killing each other for years, no Muslims' response, the Afghans are daily blowing up other Muslims and at times Mosques, no Muslims' response, the Muslims kill Christians in pakistan, Egypt, Nigeria, no Muslims' response, a Jew was killed by Muslims, Muslims responded with celebrations, a perceived Jew journalist went to egypt to witness and report the revolution, the Muslims responded by raping her, you see, Muslims do respond afterall, just that they are too selective in doing that, by the way Hosur, your Muslim anger is showing, a typical Muslim response.
Dear Ali Sina,
You are misinformed about the Jews in Germany:
There were 522,000 Jews living in Germany in January 1933, only 214,000 were left by the eve of World War II.
Jews did not have any chance to revolt against Hitler. They were not concentrated in one place, but scattered and assimilated. They were unarmed.
Once the regime was established, even Germans did not really have any chance to rebel against Hitler.
The system of terror was complete. Every staircase, had a spy, every building, every street, block. Nobody could even talk.
Situation was still much worse in Poland and Ukraine than in Germany. There the local population was much more antisemitic, and actively participated in murder.
While Polish partisans were supported by the Polish villagers, the Jewish partisans hiding in the forests were reported to the Germans by the same villagers.
My mother's uncle was a leader of Jewish partisans in the forests of Eastern Poland, at the very end of the war, after his platoon won a battle with Germans, the antisemitic Poles betrayed and killed him.
I don't think you can even begin to understand the depth and breath of antisemitism in Christian countries. It is not different from Islam. The very word Jew is and insult worse than "son-of-a-whore". (A common Polish insult.)
The hatred changes intensity, currently Islam is more antisemitic. 100 years earlier, imperial Russia was the epicenter of antisemitism.
Here is what's wrong with us Jews:
Most Jews are "liberal" because they imagine that antisemitism is just a part of a general oppression. That it is the same as anti-Black racism, and the "Islamophobia".
Such liberal Jews think that they have a common cause with the "other oppressed minorities".
They ignore that Black America are about 3 times more likely to be antisemitic than average, and that the overwhelming majority Muslims of Muslims are antisemitic.
Another thing that is wrong with Jews is the unrequited love for Europe.
Jews really want to be accepted by Europeans. They want to be part of Europe. They think that if they compromise with the Muslims, and give them some of their land, then Europeans will accept them. Perhaps even make Israel a part of EU.
This is of course garbage. Antisemitism runs deep in Europe, and Europeans are not going to come to defense of Jews. But the hardest thing of all for the Jewish people to face is that they are ALONE, universally hated in both Christian and Muslim cultures just for the fact of being Jewish.
The biggest longing in Jewish people is not to be "special" but on the contrary to be accepted and included.
(Interestingly Hindus did not hate Jews, and because of that Jews in India dissolved into the general Indian population.) Also Chinese don't hate Jews, it is not part of their culture.
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There's nothing you can do. Israel was a wreck and no one wanted it until it was restored. It's kind of like someone abandoning a house they never owned, and then trying to kick out the new owner who fixed it up. These people don't care about right or wrong. They care about possession, land, and material things. This is where their religion fails them.