Ground Zero Mosque’s Hidden Websites: Follow the Shariah
Do the math. The 15 floors planned for the Ground Zero Mosque just don’t add up.
What’s the goal? Maybe the Imam’s goal is not simply to force a provocative “insensitivity” about 9-11 on the American public, with the help of America’s elites. Maybe the Imam’s long-term goal is to force Shariah law on the American public – of course, again, with the help of America’s elites.
Why don’t the 15 floors add up? How many floors does Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf need for the mosque portion of this triumphal Islamic command center planned for the two building sites at 45-47 Park Place in New York City? Think about it: maybe 2 floors for the mosque itself and related offices. A 3rd floor for the swimming pool, a 4th for the 500 seat auditorium, a 5th for the halal restaurant and halal culinary school, a 6th for the art studios, the childcare center and library, a 7th for the gym and basketball court. Add an 8th floor for miscellaneous storage and offices. And then add a 9th floor for the September 11 memorial, an after-thought that was recently added to the Imam’s plan, although that may in fact be more of a room off to one side than a whole floor.
That leaves six mystery floors empty – or dedicated to other activities. Six floors – that’s a lot of offices, a lot of employees, maybe more than half of the 150 full-time and 500 part-time jobs the Imam says he’ll bring to Lower Manhattan. What are Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf’s plans for those six mystery floors?
Follow the Shariah Index Project to solve the puzzle of the 6 mystery floors: We found two hidden websites with copiously deleted information, all about the Imam’s Cordoba Institute Shariah Index Project. For reference, here’s the Imam’s most recent hidden website (also available here as a pdf). And here’s the Imam’s earlier hidden website (also available here as a pdf). The information on those websites – information that the Imam tried to hide with a new whitewashed version – suggests that the six mystery floors of the Ground Zero Mosque will be dedicated to the Imam’s long-term goal: the Shariah Index Project, designed to benchmark Shariah compliance, to distribute Shariah propaganda, and to enforce Shariah law in America and worldwide.
Drawing from those hidden webpages and other sites, we’ve constructed a timeline for the Shariah Index Project and a partial list of Rauf’s partners in the Project. In Part 2, we’ll reveal the disturbing background and views of those partners. And in Part 3, we’ll present the bottom line – how this all ties together as a historic Islamist effort to market and to enforce Shariah in America, starting from Ground Zero.
Numbered Documents, for everyone’s convenience! Below, from the hidden websites, is the evidence Rauf tried to cover-up. We’ve even numbered the Shariah Index Project documents he mentioned, to make it easy for the Imam and his staff – for example, Courtney Erwin, attorney and director of the Shariah Index Project and corporate contact for the Cordoba Institute - to provide copies to the American public.
Courtney Erwin could end the cover-up of these documents today, given her leading role in the Shariah Index Project since its inception. Erwin, by the way, has been working in Doha (Qatar, home of jihad-supporter Sheik Qaradawi, so admired by Imam Rauf) for the past three months. She states that her team includes a “Qatari legal researcher,” presumably for ongoing work on the Shariah Index Project. She may also be working with one of the core Shariah experts partnering in the Shariah Index Project, Dr. Jasser Auda, since January 2010 an Associate Professor in the Public Policy Program, Faculty of Islamic Studies, Qatar Foundation in Qatar. (Qatar is also one of the countries Imam Rauf is scheduled to visit on his State Department-funded trip this summer.) Look for much more on Erwin and Auda in Part 2.
American citizens and their elected officials should ask Rauf, Erwin and their associates to end the Shariah Index Project cover-up, and to disclose all documents, meeting notes, emails and attendee lists from 2006 to the present day. You don’t ask, you don’t get.
August 2006 – The Planning Meeting – Meeting #1
We know from the first hidden website that the Shariah Index Project (SIP) had its initial meeting in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, in August 2006. Attendees explored the idea of creating an “index” to measure the degree of Shariah governance for ALL nations, and deliverables from the meeting were (1) a “vision” statement and (2) a roadmap for the project. Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf convened and chaired this meeting, which included “four scholars from India, Malaysia, and Pakistan.” From the second hidden website, we know that these first four participants Rauf recruited were international leaders affiliated with the Muslim Brotherhood - and on key advisory boards in Shariah Compliant Finance:
Professor Dr. Mahmood Ahmad Ghazi, Pakistan, (Chairman of the Shariah Board for the State Bank of Pakistan and former president of International Islamic University);
Professor Dr. Mohammad Hashim Kamali, Malaysia (Dean of the International Institute of Islamic Thought & Civilization and Former Interim Chairman, Constitutional Review Committee, Afghanistan);
Professor Dr. Tahir Mahmood, India (Founder/Chairman, Amity University Institute for Advanced Legal Studies, New Delhi, and former Dean of the Faculty of Law, Delhi University);
Dato’ Abdul Hamid Mohamad, Malaysia (Judge, Federal Court of Malaysia … Malaysian Supreme Court). [Such a small world here at Big Peace - this is the same judge honored by Elena Kagan in the Al-Sanhuri lecture series at Harvard on November 11, 2008, as we reported here a couple weeks ago.]
February, 2007 - Expanding the Core Group – Meeting #2
The original five Shariah authorities (1 from Pakistan, 3 including Rauf from Malaysia, 1 from India) met again, adding five more members from Indonesia, Iran (to “represent the Shi’a perspective,” possibly Mohammad Javad Larijani – see Bayefsky’s research below for August 2008), Turkey, Pakistan and Malaysia. This new Group of Ten Shariah Index Authorities created a new (3) Roadmap (2.0), and a new (4) Basis for Evaluation Document,which sets out an initial list of Islamic legal principles relating to governance. The group also distributed (5) Research Assignments, which would support the project and which they would present at the next meeting.
May 2007 – The First Draft of the Shariah Index – Meeting #3
This was a very productive session, involving the same ten Shariah experts. They refined the Basis for Evaluation document, resulting in the “creation of two new documents: (6) Essential Features of Shariah-Compliant Governance and the first iteration of the (7) Shariah Index (1.0), inclusive of seventy-four principles of Islamic governance derived from Islamic law.”
“Additionally, the group developed a (8) Strategic Plan for the project, which highlighted key dates and tasks. They also identified a (9) short and long-list of scholars to approach for support.”
October 2007 - Expansion and Operations Plans – Meeting #4
The Core Group of Ten grew to at least 14 members, with new Shariah authorities from Bahrain, England (possibly Dr. Jasser Auda who may have been in the UK at the time?), Morocco, and Lebanon (to “include the Arab Shi’a perspective”). Interestingly, it also included three ratings experts – identified later as unnamed representatives from Gallup Organization, Pew Research Center, and Dr. Robert Rotberg of Harvard University. The meeting’s deliverables were closing in on the final product:
“the group further refined the (10) Index [ie, Shariah Index 2.0], which they organized into four major sections—1)Normative Declarations, 2) Qualifications ofLeaders, 3) Governance, and 4) Maqasid al Shariah—with each of these sections broken down into a number of measurable principles derived from Shariah. “
The group also revisited and refined their (11) strategic plan [2.0] and committed to (12) three detailed research and writing tasks: 1) long articles, 2) sourcing and citing principles, 3) proxy questions for each principle.
November 2007 – July 2008 – Building the Shariah Index Apparatus – Individual Meetings #5
Over the next eight months, the Cordoba Initiative staff worked with the 14 Shariah experts – and the 3 “ratings experts” from Gallup, Pew and Harvard – to write the (13) Preamble to the Project and “further refine the philosophy, overall structure, and organization of the (14) Index [ie, Shariah Index 3.0] as well as each of the principles.”
August 2008 - Final Publication Plans – Meeting #6
Anne Bayefsky identified the Iranian participant in Shariah Index Project from this photo from the August 2008 meeting: Iranian Mohammad Javad Larijani, who has justified torture of Iranian dissidents as legal punishments under Shariah law. This August 2008 meeting planned the publication of the Shariah Index Project book – and associated polls done by Gallup and Pew – for March 2009:
At the most recent meeting in August 2008, the scholars agreed that the index would be a Maqasid al Shariah Index [the influence of Jasser Auda who had possibly joined in October 2007], measuring a state’s Islamicity through both its governance and society. Representatives from the Gallup Organization governance index pioneer, Dr. Robert Rotberg, joined the discussion by phone on the second day. Following these conversations with rating and indexing specialists, the scholars worked to (15) finalize the index, including its methodology and measurable indicators [ie, Shariah Index 4.0]. The scholars also finalized preparations for the book to be published concurrently with the Index and findings. After the formal meetings concluded, Cordoba staff worked one-on-one with a number of the scholars, soliciting additional information requested by the ratings experts prior to their formal work on the Index as well about the Indexing methodology and the book, with significant work with Gallup and Dr. Rotberg as well as production of the book scheduled for the upcoming 6 months. The target date for the (16) Index results and book is March 2009, with the public launch to follow.
November 21, 2008 – The Book Launch Celebration with the Muslim Brotherhood’s IIIT- Meeting #7
The International Institute of Islamist Thought (IIIT), a Muslim Brotherhood-affiliated organization in Northern Virginia, met to launch the publication (pdf here) of an abridged edition of Rauf’s “What is Right with Islam is what is Right for America.” The meeting was chaired by IIIT Vice President Jamal Barzinji, and the publisher of the abridged edition is a group called American Muslims for Constructive Engagement (AMCE). Also promoted in that series of “Reader’s Digest Condensed Islamism”: Harvard’s Noah Feldman’s “Fall and Rise of the Islamic State,” “1) Who Speaks for Islam: By John Esposito and Dalia Mogahed. Dalia Mogahed is head of the Gallup project on Muslim public opinion, the most likely contact at Gallup for the earlier meetings on the Shariah Index Project (more on that relationship, and on the AMCE and their U.S. government backers in Part 2).
The book series, by the way, was funded by the Kingdom Foundation – as in the Alwaleed Bin Talal Kingdom Foundation of Saudi Arabia.
December 19, 2008 – Final Coordination with the Muslim Brotherhood’s IIIT – Meeting #8
Rauf met with Muslim Brotherhood’s IIIT leadership to discuss the Shariah Index Project (here as pdf). A key figure, Dr. Jasser Auda, met with Rauf at IIIT Headquarters in Northern Virginia. Auda has the background and the brains to be coordinating the Shariah Index Project behind the scenes from Qatar, making Rauf simply a U.S. salesman for an effort that may actually be directed by others. More on Auda in Part 2.
Let’s Review. All those numbers begin to add up:
The Ground Zero Mosque has at least 6 mystery floors. We suggest that they’ll be used by the Shariah Index Project.
The Shariah Index Project was built by at least 14 Shariah experts. We have the identities probably of 7 of them, and Rauf should reveal the other 7 right away.
The Shariah Index Project generated at least 16 documents and maybe a final book, and Rauf should release all of these – right away.
The issues at stake in the Ground Zero Mosque and the Shariah Index Project are not about Americans supporting the Constitution’s protection of religious freedom. Americans support that protection.
The issues at stake here are about Americans protecting the Constitution from Shariah-adherent groups using the protective guise of religious freedom to attack the Constitution itself – using a triumphal Ground Zero mosque as “the base” for a project to institutionalize Shariah in America.
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To Christine Brim;
Oh please don't insult our intelligence by saying "Do the math". The math has already been done and it adds up perfectly!
Nothing is wrong by building a Mosque and a community center in New York. The city of New York has studied the project, discussed it totally, voted on it and passed it unanimously. The city could have easily stopped the construction of this Islamic Community Center have they found anything that is of any kind of a threat. The only ones that are opposing this community center are people such as you who are adamant on smearing Muslims and spreading propaganda for no valid reason but pure hate to Muslims and Islam.
islamdevotee, I want to build a temple, a church, and a synagogue in Mecca and Medina. Of course it will be far away from Kaaba. Why is it not allowed?
its a majority muslim country, who would go?
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@Islamdevotee I'm sure you'll blow your lid if I told you I don't hate muslims, but I do hate Islam. My uncle is muslim, I don't like his point of view and his religious beliefs but I don't hate him. But then again considering hes a Nation of Islam muslim you probably consider him not to be a "true" and "pure" muslim.
The problem with and with many muslims is you have no identity between yourself as a human being and a muslim. Sure you can claim that being muslim and having faith in Islam and only believing and trusting in that above all else makes you feel like you're divine and you don't need to consider your humanity, but it has also seperated you from the rest of humanity because the ideology that Islam doesn't just impose on muslims but how you percieve the rest of humanity as well.
Keep defending the faith no matter how unstable its foundation is, it makes it all the easier for Islam to crumble from its own persistance in ignorance and blind faith.
No wonder God himself has to return to destroy islam. According to Biblical prophecy it won't be much longer either. Islam is the anti-Christ religion and the Mahdi is the anti-Christ.
@islamdevotee – read a Bible some time and you will see all the plans of islam written in black and white 2000 years ago.
Beware Americans, first they will build a mosque and then they will force you to convert to Islam or die. See this article below:
Embrace Islam or leave Valley, Sikhs threatened
M Saleem Pandit, TNN, Aug 20, 2010, 12.23am IST
SRINAGAR: Sikhs in the Kashmir Valley have received anonymous letters from Islamic militants asking them to either embrace Islam and join the protests against civilian killings or pack up and leave the Valley. The 60,000-strong Sikh community is the single largest minority group in the Valley.
An organisation of Kashmiri Sikhs said that several community members have received these letters. "Community members have received unsigned letters at various places," said All Party Sikh Coordination Committee (ASCC) coordinator Jagmohan Singh Raina. He said the community has decided to stay put and fight these "evil designs" at a meeting in Srinagar on Thursday.
Raina quoted a letter as saying: "When you are enjoying the joys here, why can't you share the grief and sorrow of Kashmiris as well? We know you are afraid of bullets… Hold protests inside gurdwaras or leave Kashmir." He added, "Some letters have asked Sikhs to embrace Islam."
Raina urged both factions of the Hurriyat, JKLF and PoK-based United Jihad Council to take serious note of the threats to maintain amity and brotherhood in the Valley.
Hardline separatist leader Syed Ali Shah Geelani has reassured the Sikhs saying they shouldn't feel threatened and should ignore the "fake letters". He assured the community that nobody would force them to join the protests.
Earlier, Geelani has made an emotional appeal against forcing minorities to join the protests and said harming them would be like "inflicting a wound on his (Geelani's) body".
The state unit of Akali Dal (Badal) president Ajeet Singh Mastana described the threats as acts by anti-social elements. "The threats can't break us and reduce our love for our motherland," he said.
To TruePeace;
It is a pleasure to know that you don't hate Muslims.
You say "Keep defending the faith no matter how unstable its foundation is, it makes it all the easier for Islam to crumble from its own persistence in ignorance and blind faith."
Your statement is considered to be wishful thinking. The fact is that many Muslims including myself believe in Islam because Islam has proven itself to be a right religion. Many Muslims are highly educated and they analyze and can read between the lines.
The anti Islam comments, articles and opinions placed on this website and many others are worthless. There are over 6 millions Muslims living in the USA and most of them are educated with at least a B.S. degree in a certain discipline. These Muslims have the power to abandon Islam if they want. However, they don't do it because they know Islam is a true religion and they do accept it. Some Muslims do leave Islam for one purpose or another however many others accept Islam and life goes on……
Muslims are much smarter of what Ali Sina or his followers really think. They don’t care what others say about them for they know they are on the righteous path……
To rationalist;
You say" Beware Americans, first they will build a mosque and then they will force you to convert to Islam or die."
Oh please don't insult American people intelligence. They are smart and they know what they are doing. You only need to worry about India and leave American take care of their own business….
To ldnchk;
You say "read a Bible some time and you will see all the plans of islam written in black and white 2000 years ago."
Muslims believe in most of what is in the bible. So what is your point if you have one?
Islamdevotee says:
Muslims believe in most of what is in the bible. So what is your point if you have one?
My response:
Really? What part of the Bible do Muslims believe?
Better yet let me rephrase my question, to avoid making Muslims lie in front of everyone here…
What part of the Bible did Muhammad believe? And show us your proof…
To freedomfighter67;
You say "What part of the Bible did Muhammad believe? And show us your proof…
Of course! Read the Quran and read he Bible then compare the two. You got your answer!
That's no proof or valid answer. Since the Christian Bible came first, sounds like Muhammad is guilty of copy-cat and plagiarism.
Muslims commits to nothing even where their own so called religious documents are concerned.
Show us the proof ! Go find it yourself is a pious cop-out and avoidance.
@islamdevotee
You have FF67 irked hahaha by implying that there are similarities between the koran and bible. I like.
FF67 still believes that christianity and Islam have no similarities which of course is being in denial as the koran metions the angel gaberial, abraham and jesus. FF67 believes that hinduism and Islam are more similar, what a laugh, yet the koran does not mention any of the hindu gods.
The best thing to do is to throw a dead pig at the building site..
slamdevotee says:
To freedomfighter67;
You say “What part of the Bible did Muhammad believe? And show us your proof…
Of course! Read the Quran and read he Bible then compare the two. You got your answer!
My response:
Like Chiulo-Ruiz said, when the Qur’an mentions anything about Biblical references, those references are mostly inaccurate, therefore, Christians, unlike Hindus and Muslims, can easily see those as plagiarism. Using this obvious plagiarism, Christians are more equipped in debunking Islam than any of the world religions. Go to answering-islam.org website and see how Christians plainly refute everything about Islam and there’s nothing Muslims can do about it. It is also amazing how ex-Muslims like Walid Shoebat and many others who left Islam and became Christians dedicate their whole lives in telling the truth about Islam. No converts from Islam to Hinduism have ever pronounced their lives and willingly face the threat from Muslims daily just to share to the world the truth about how satanic Islam really is. If there is any, please Hindus, share us this Guru’s name who dedicated his life telling the world what Islam really is like these ex-Muslims who converted to Christianity do.
Muhammad never believed in the Bible. He has never even seen one. Muslims know Muhammad couldn’t read because he’s ignorant and stupid, then how can you believe in something you can’t understand? Muhammad couldn’t read the Bible. Everybody knows this fact. This alone is the proof that Muslims, by following their illiterate prophet, don’t believe in the Bible either. How can you believe in the Bible when Muhammad haven’t even read the Bible all his life? Aren’t muslims supposed to follow their illiterate prophet? The reason why you Muslims say you believe in the Bible is to pretend you are of the same Abrahamic faith. You are not. You are following a satanic prophet who have not read the Bible all his life.
@freedomfighter67
Please explain to me how the names Gabriel, Abraham & Jesus got into the Koran?
Fifteen stories for a mere place of Worship and other administrative tasks does appear to be a bit too much to believe.
Islam has always hidden its agenda reference Shariah, where Islam is weak. So it is possible more is going on than what meets the eye.
Between Shariah and The Constitution, give me The Constitution of the U.S.A very time. Islam cares not for America nor its laws, so Islam must be scrutinized closely regardless of the appeasers or Islam misnaming of its self as " The religion of peace.
We demand some reciprocity with other religion's structures being allowed to be built and protected in Islamic lands, starting in Saudi Arabia." Freedom of religion", right
Islamdevotee only you and others like you believe Islam is the "right" religion in spite of the fact it has been debunked over, and over, and over, and over again. You have absolutely no proof that Islam is the "true" religion just because you keep saying the words to try to believe in that falsehood yourself. As far as I'm concerned one who has faith but doesn't question it will remain blind. One who has faith and questions it, finds the truth about his/her beliefs can further evolve further into their beliefs or leave their beliefs depending on the conclusion they reach within themselves.
@Shamu16 the same way the qur'an was written by the words from Mohammeds mouth. Think about history for a change. Back in those times there were 2 ways to pass along information. By word of mouth and by text, remember Jesus didn't sit down and WRITE parables, he made speeches and later on his disciples wrote down his words. Which also brings to mind was Jesus illiterate?Many ancient cultures had to do this to pass along stories and information before reading and writing became the norm for everyone as it was the only way to keep information between those that could read and those that couldn't. Our dear illiterate Mohammed happened to hear bits and pieces to the religious speeches that the jews and christians were travelling and preaching in those days, by word of mouth most likely, and he was able to plaigerise popular Abrahamic religious figures in order to validate his own belief and creation of islam (back to the jews and christians) which he recited to his literate followers who were able to read and write arabic wrote it down.
@Freedomfighter67 while I do agree to the extent that both the bible and qur'an have some extremely disturbing similarities as far as the Revelation days (which are not in islam's favor I might add) I completely disagree that christians are better at refuting muslims than an ex-muslim (no matter what they're current religious or non-religious beliefs are). You know you have to walk a mile in ones shoes to know where they're coming from.
People, Islam will win over the world because we the educated with all our bill of rights, constitution, human rights etc only apply to non muslims and muslims living in western countries. These laws prevent us from fighting against this kind of terrorism. The government is useless at it as well therefore lte us not get angry at the building of th emosque, it serves no purpose and hase no value. When your idiot dumb ass president who is a covert muslim – whats in a name and family roots – and all his puppets that you voted fro, remmber they just did not walk up to the white house and said i am the new president—you mother fuckers voted him in, so why are you questioning him now. America has lost the battle, they should pull out their troops now from mulsim countries and start living the muslim world. Because if every person in america just sit on their fat arse and do nothing and make silent niose then you rather sit in the fucking toilet and take a big dump- becauseit is going nowhere…now if every mother conscientious mother fucker put this email on every door, pub, strip house, gay bar, public offices then you will fucking have a chance of starting a dialogue,,,otherwise go to the toilet…nothing in this web site will make that shit head governor listen…so it is time for drastyic action….print this letter and post it evry pole, every village and every door…..because believe it or not the muslims that have come to enjoy the west will eventuaslly have to conform to sharia..so no g-strings, wonman cannot drive and go to work, cant be on theor own in public, cover the whole body, no divorce, no outside marriage sex, no pubs, no porn shows, no strip shows…the muslims that love the west will also join in because it will affect theior life in 20 years time…i think 10….so what shall we do the……every one of us should strike and not go to any work for 1 week or more,,,,till nobama wipes his arse on tv..,..see it is simple…no work for weeks so that nobama or his white boy monkeys will start making a noise and sooner or later the issues will be resolved. All american soldiers in muslim countries shouls stop fighting,..now. because you are defending a nothing, the re is no american constitution and human rights laws for you to defend,so get back home and join in the strike….they cannoyt take you to court martial, becuas eth constitution has been breached and therefore needs to be rewritten, during this time you cannoit do anything until the constitution tells yuou otherwise….nobama knows this his white monkeys know this and they will make a big noise even bigger than the nuclear shit in iran,…so post on every door…lets get active in a fucking peaceful way, no violence,,,soldiers down you weapons and people start marcjhing,,,,lets make headlines with this ang get the goivernment to notice…lets tell them that we love religion, but we want them to be sensible with ground zero….no mosque in manhatten except for the one small one that is there…..nobama – a victory for jihadhits worlkd wide…nobama the man who changed america of fucked it what will you be remembered for, changing america for the best or selling out to the arabs….do you really believe that this mosque will be used for the good of the nation,,,,nobama will i a non muslim be able to go into the mosque,,,you must be fucking joking right,,,nobama you must be joking that i a non muslim can share and sit with the muslim woman in the building rihgt, you must be on fucking drugs man,, do you really believe that they will allow a non muslims into the building, into the mosque, prayer rooms, muslim dining room, no alcohol,,you fucking living in a weed dream man, you have made a very bad decision and it will follow you,,,,,four and twenty score ago — nobama changed the fucking land and sold it to the arabs, so that white and black woman could not go to florida in the tiny yellow ploka dotted bikini,….as president you dont goiove a shit, because you are well off, what about me and my missus when we go the beach,, we love to be naked,,,sharia,,fuck sharia…my lovely sexy wife cannot use miniskirt and go pass the building because sharia law…. fucking dumb idiaot sold out amreica for a few dollars more……
ahahahaha, What the hell!
No more beer and bikini's, we got to do something to stop that Shariah stuff.
Making copies for pasting up, right now, thanks
@islamdevotee
"Muslims are much smarter of what Ali Sina or his followers really think. They don’t care what others say about them for they know they are on the righteous path."
Well,Thanks for identifying the problem.That is a start.Now if only,you could muster the strength to read this sites contents…..
Oh ,btw,read http://www.prophetofdoom.org also.
@islamdevotee:"Many Muslims are highly educated and they analyze and can read between the lines".
I suggest that you read the lines first,the in between thingies you can do when you are in saudi/iran or other islamic wonderlands.
@FF67:
"Why do Hindus and Muslims refuse to see that Islam and Christianity is the opposite?"
Oops,did anybody had that confusion.All i can see are christian societies progressing and Islamic societies becoming ,ummm…more islamic.All said,i guess.
@FF67;"Here you can see the commonality of Muslims and Hindus in their claim that Islam is an Abrahamic faith. This is the goal of Satan, to lure Muslims and Hindus to believe in this lie"
You are just making weird statements.You actually havent mentioned any so called commonality so far.No different than islamdevotee,Any religion that claims to be "The One" is most probably a one big lie.If you are a christian, save your energy for muslims,you are going to need it.You can fight with the rest of mankind once you are done with islam.
God,what people….!!!!
You sick bastards. You pathetic, brain-washed animals (pigs), posing as a religious organization, with a tax-exempt status. You bastards. You are not a religion, but an evil organization hell bent on destroying everything you seem to want and hate. You "religion of human pieces", not "of peace", you inhumane butchers. You anti-American, anti-human pretenders of peace and love. Just try to force your "religion of human pieces" on America and Americans, and you will find out the hard and brutal way how Americans, not the foolish Americans, fight back. I hate islam. I hate the koran, the book of "how to become a successful and loving terrorist". I hate any religions and organizations that interfere and/or destroy liberty, love, compassion, self-reliance, respect towards women, freedom to think; to doubt; to question; to question authorities; to peacefully debate, and if need be, to defend ourselves, our homes, our families, our friends, other Americans against evil bastards such as radical muslims with an evil agenda to force us to submit to your cruel and insane so-called religious practices. And, islam and the koran, will destroy any innocent minds that comes into contact with "it", that is, if taken seriously, as if "it" were the so-called truth; no matter how horrible and evil the information contained in a so-called unholy book can be. The koran is an unholy and evil book. Mo was an evil and sick man, and so were his followers, even presently. They have nukes now, and that makes these bastards very dangerous. If the radical muslims could, they would turn this planet into a Mad Max movie backdrop. New Yorkers, those of you who love America, especially those of you who have lost people that you had loved during that brutal attack on 9/11, you have to stop that mosque from being built. Every time any of you walk by that building site, just fling a plastic bag of pigs blood onto that soil. Every time you drive by that site, open your windows and throw another bag of pigs blood onto it. Eventually, that soil will become so saturated with pigs blood, they will be forced to move to another site to build their "house of horrors". Just like the stick'n "rats" that they are. These people are not human, they are "animals" posing as "caring, loving, peaceful, and tolerant" humans. But, they hate America. They hate Americans. They have no love, just the taste of innocent human blood. They would kill us all, if given the chance. We, as Americans, will never give them that chance. To hell with islam. To hell with nazism. To hell with anybody that tries to destroy America. And, to hell with you 9/11 conspiracy believers. You people have no idea what kind of enemy that you are dealing with and defending.
Why is FF67 so intent on clumping hindus and muslims together? Let me however try to sift through the question-
Q1- "1. Did Muhammad ever read the Bible? Then how do you know he believed in the Bible when he had never read it?"
A: I do not.. I repeat, DO NOT give a damn about Mohammed reading a bible
Q2-"2. If Islam is an Abrahamic faith through Ishmael, how come in the Bible it is written that the Ishmaelites are enemies of Israel and are to be destroyed in the second coming of Christ?"
A: ?? lol. As a hindu, so long as our jewish brothers and Israel are safe… I do not give a damn
Q3- "3. Muslims and Hindus need to know the definition of plagiarism before using the argument of similarities between the Qur’an and the Bible. How can you rule out the possibility of plagiarism when the Bible existed long before the Qur’an was written?"
A: -?? hindus neither speak for nor are responsible for the muslims. If there is any semblence between ancient hindu scriptures and the bible, guess what- hindu texts outdate bible by several thousand years.
-Q 4. "If Islam is an Abrahamic faith through similarities, why is it that the main theme of Biblical God as the Father with the Messiah as the Son of God is vehemently refused by Islam? Why use the similarities when Christians openly tells you about Muhammad’s plagiarism? Why not use the main Biblical theme of the concepts of the fall of man through the temptation of Satan and God’s saving grace through the death of the Messiah?"
A-?? hindus do not speak for nor are responsible for the muslims. We could care less about Muhammed plagarising though we can understand your angst about it
Q5- "5. Why do Hindus and Muslims refuse to see that Islam and Christianity is the opposite? To learn more about the truth of Islam, you need to watch the video of Walid Shoebat, an ex-Muslim who left Islam and become Christian in youtube and see how he clearly explains that Islam and Christianity are opposite religions. Search, Islam is from Satan videos and you’ll Walid Shoebat’s explanation about Islam."
A: As a hindu, I see Islam and prosetylizing sects of Christianity as predatory religions intent on conversions and destroying the indigineous culture like cancers (Most Christians do not want to convert me and respect my beliefs). However, there is one REALLY big difference, Islam does so violently and refuses to give the non-beleiver the right to exist as an equal. Christian fanatics a bit more subtle, by the very fact that they want to save my soul indicates that I am never their equal- I can live with that so long as I have my freedom to practice my belief system without imposing on anyone else.
How can hindus be close to islam. They eat what we worship. We fought them when we could throughout history. We were defeated sometimes, other times we won. While empires such as persia, egypt and byzantine fell to the Islamic conquests, Hinduism still stands. Please give us some credit for that. Some of us became sikhs so that we could face the islamic onslaught. We believe all paths, however primitive, lead to the same God while muslims are exclusionists. We hindus not only tolerate (to a fault)but we universally accept all faiths as true. While muslim believe in a formless god called Allah or the moon god, hindus believe that there is one God who can assume whatever form you worship.
I cannot speak for other hindus but my own belief is that Jesus was a noble soul because it takes a special man to forgive his tormentors. At the same time hindu mythology and philosophy has its share of noble souls as well – a recent example was Mahatma Gandhi. But do I believe Jesus is the only path to salvation- No. I believe that there is a divine soul within everyone and everyone has the potential to express that divinity within and there are various means all around us. If one says that I and my hindu brethern are destined to the satan and hell, how are you different from a muslim then? I would rather be in hell than in the heavens of an intolerant God
@simple_soul
You wasting your breath with people like FF67. I like to think this person FF67 is more like Mo Ham Head who wanted his religion to be the only religion in the world. Again I had asked him sometime back why jesus, the angel gabriel and abraham are metioned in koran and no hindu gods are mentioned so far i have recieved no answer. FF67 is a delluded person who is in extreme denial probably even confused about his/her own faith. FF67 is shooting in the dark about hinduism and islam being the same please allow me laugh hehehhehehe!!. FF67 is load of crap. But I tell you this much this FF67 is good entertainment. The problem is there are hindus on this site who easily get irked by FF67 comments and statements. I think FF67 gets great pleasure probably even an orgasm from irking hindus. FF67 is a dellusional person.
oh well shamu16.. i was trying to be earnest to FF67.. i didnt realize I was feeding a troll..
@FF67,
I can only say you are ignorant about Hinduism and Hindustan. In fact Hindus have no such 'book' that is considered the ONLY TRUE PATH, or SALVATION THROUGH ONLY ONE ROUTE.
Hindus believe that there are many roads to God, and being truthful and honest, helpful, etc, are also paths to reach salvation, in stead of prayers or rituals.
You may do well to learn more about what Vedanta is. It is another matter, that Hindus are widely divided among many castes, sub-sects, and face a variety of problems caused by those who believe in 'divide-and-rule' .
It was only in this part of the world where many other religions – Buddhism, Jainism, Sikhism came into being and were accepted by many. The persecuted Parsis from Persia, found refuge here. The Christians came here, Islamists came here. Hindus do not believe in proselytizing. In face Hindus have a saying – "Vasudhaiva Kutumbakam", i.e., the whole world is one big family. We find God in all forms of life, we equally accept and respect those who do not believe in idol worship.
You may do well to read a bit more on Hindu philosophy.
Theinfidel says:
You are just making weird statements.You actually havent mentioned any so called commonality so far.No different than islamdevotee,Any religion that claims to be “The One” is most probably a one big lie.If you are a christian, save your energy for muslims,you are going to need it.You can fight with the rest of mankind once you are done with islam.
God,what people….!!!!
My response:
Let me show you Islam and Hinduism’s commonality…
1. The symbol crescent – Islam with no specific reason uses the symbol crescent in almost everything Islamic, from their mosques, flags and to their ambulances. Also, for some ambiguous reason, Hinduism uses the same symbol mostly in illustrating their demonic god Shiva. You can also see this mysterious symbol in Vishnu’s and Ganesha’s illustrations but not all the time. Satanism also uses the same symbol of the crescent. You can see this in their illustrations of the satanic god Baphomet. The crescent goes back to ancient history further than all of the world religions’ existence. It is because Satan and his demons have been in this world longer than any of human being’s existence. Is it coincidence that the spherical phase of the moon, when divided by three will show as a crescent? Is it also coincidence that in the Bible, it is written that one third of the angels in heaven led by Satan, rebelled against God and their existence has been confined in ours ever since?
2. The claim that both Islam and Christianity is an Abrahamic faith. Muslims have claimed that Islam is an Abrahamic faith through Ishmael from Hagar, the Egyptian slave of Abraham. But when reading the Bible, it is written that the descendants of Ishmael will be the enemy of mankind and they will be like asses. If the Bible is not the word of God why then the prophecy of the Muslims written long time ago came true today? The Muslims became the enemy of mankind and Muslims have grown backward when it comes to their intellectual development. Further down in the future prophecy of our existence, the Bible also prophesied that the Ishmaelites would be destroyed in the second coming of Christ. When Hindus say that Islam is also an Abrahamic faith, they are supporting the propagation of lies in Islam, therefore, in Hindus subconscious level, they are one of the many forces holding up the foundation of lies in Islam. Many Atheists and Liberals also support this lie.
3. Lies are also in the forefront of promoting the oneness of all religions and Hindus are the ones leading this lie. For them all religions are different pathways to the same God. Little do they realize that by saying this they are giving legitimacy to the false religiousness of Islam. This is an utter lie to mankind and no doubt all lies come from a satanic influence. Hindus get insulted when Christians say that, like Islam, Hinduism is from the devil, but they deny the fact that Satan’s goal is to promote this lie of oneness so that Islam can dominate in the end. By accepting and tolerating Islam in their midst, Hindus lost Pakistan, Bangladesh, Indonesia, Malaysia, Kashmir, and one third of most of their cities of Hindu India to Islam. Hinduism is therefore a design by Satan to pave the way for Islam. Even the Islamic Kabaa used to be of Hindu influence but now has become the center of Islamic rule. From this we can easily see that what ever Hinduism touches turns into the realm of Satan whether through Islam or through their own brew of poverty, corruption and discrimination towards their own Hindu people.
4. When it comes to discrimination of their own, Hindus have this commonality of discriminating their own women. Nowhere in any part of our world this commonality exists. The acid throwing virtue of both Hindus and Muslims. Women when burned with acid represent the zombie like existence of Hindu and Muslim women. They are dead people scary enough for little children to scamper away from. This is probably why Hindus and Muslims invented the head and face coverings they call hijab for Muslims and Sari for Hindus. One time, FFI posted some pictures of women who are victims of acid throwing, to my surprise, their faces look exactly the same when I saw a picture of a dead decomposed woman thrown in the Ganges river by the Hindus and that dead woman’s face were exposed to the flies and the elements. Even Muslims have respect to their own dead.
5.People full of doubts will say that the above are just mere coincidences. But one of the very most important aspect of Islam and Hinduism which bounds them together as one is the unison in their doctrinal concept that God did not come to our existence as our own flesh to save mankind from sin. In fact Hinduism openly declares that sin does not exist. It’s only an illusion, and so as the whole world. Both Islam and Hinduism hold hands in declaring that there is no such thing as the original sin of mankind. It is therefore, from this unison that we can summon the oneness of Islam and Hinduism. God is not a savior. It is we humans that can save ourselves from our own predicament. And behold look at the result of this lie in Islamic and Hindu countries. Human beings live like dead people.
@FF67,
I wonder what kind of prism you use to draw out such sweeping blatant lies about Hinduism and club it with Islam.
About your #3, in above post (of 21st Aug): You do NOT seem to have any patience to read, understand the REAL stuff. If you go by symbols, then you are trapped into making such mistakes. When Hindus said 'Vasudhaiva Kutumbakam' they never mentioned any religion. They never said anything for or against Islam, or any other religion for that matter.
#4: Criminal acts take place in all parts of the world, by people belonging to many religion. You generalize acid throwing instances, and club it with a body seen in a river, and show as if most women in this part of the world are victims of such attacks. A simple check of any news channel or any news site will show how many such instances take place every day in India. Compare that against the population and see whether the numbers justify your sweeping statement. I leave the judgment to you. If you adopt this approach, then you should also ask yourself about those shooting incidents, jack-the-ripper kind of cases, so many Christian cults (forgot David Koresh or Branch Davidians, Sevnth day adventist church, etc?), etc. My point is you cannot club criminal acts with issues of religion. Then anything can be said about any religion. Please think it over.
#5. What 'sin' are you speaking of? Who says in Hinduism the concept of sin is not there? Hindus believe in 'karma' theory and if anyone commits any sin, he or she will have to pay for it. For those who believe in continuation of life (i.e., reincarnation), the repayment for any bad things of previous birth will have be done in future life. You can look at Edgar Cayce's work on this aspect for some thoughts.
Ultimately you need to decide what is right for you. Hinduism does not in any way club itself with Islam or any other religion. It teaches tolerance but that does not mean that it teaches meek submission to the might of the sword. What happened in historical times, is due to a variety of factors. There is enough evidence of the valour of Hindu kings who faced the challenge of the brute cruel force of the Islamic rulers and invaders.
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Theinfidel says:
You are just making weird statements.You actually havent mentioned any so called commonality so far.No different than islamdevotee,Any religion that claims to be “The One” is most probably a one big lie.If you are a christian, save your energy for muslims,you are going to need it.You can fight with the rest of mankind once you are done with islam.
God,what people….!!!!
My response:
Let me show you Islam and Hinduism’s commonality…
1. The symbol crescent – Islam with no specific reason uses the symbol crescent in almost everything Islamic, from their mosques, flags and to their ambulances. Also, for some ambiguous reason, Hinduism uses the same symbol mostly in illustrating their demonic god Shiva. You can also see this mysterious symbol in Vishnu’s and Ganesha’s illustrations but not all the time. Satanism also uses the same symbol of the crescent. You can see this in their illustrations of the satanic god Baphomet. The crescent goes back to ancient history further than all of the world religions’ existence. It is because Satan and his demons have been in this world longer than any of human being’s existence. Is it coincidence that the spherical phase of the moon, when divided by three will show as a crescent? Is it also coincidence that in the Bible, it is written that one third of the angels in heaven led by Satan, rebelled against God and their existence has been confined in ours ever since?
2. The claim that both Islam and Christianity is an Abrahamic faith. Muslims have claimed that Islam is an Abrahamic faith through Ishmael from Hagar, the Egyptian slave of Abraham. But when reading the Bible, it is written that the descendants of Ishmael will be the enemy of mankind and they will be like asses. If the Bible is not the word of God why then the prophecy of the Muslims written long time ago came true today? The Muslims became the enemy of mankind and Muslims have grown backward when it comes to their intellectual development. Further down in the future prophecy of our existence, the Bible also prophesied that the Ishmaelites would be destroyed in the second coming of Christ. When Hindus say that Islam is also an Abrahamic faith, they are supporting the propagation of lies in Islam, therefore, in Hindus subconscious level, they are one of the many forces holding up the foundation of lies in Islam. Many Atheists and Liberals also support this lie.
3. Lies are also in the forefront of promoting the oneness of all religions and Hindus are the ones leading this lie. For them all religions are different pathways to the same God. Little do they realize that by saying this they are giving legitimacy to the false religiousness of Islam. This is an utter lie to mankind and no doubt all lies come from a satanic influence. Hindus get insulted when Christians say that, like Islam, Hinduism is from the devil, but they deny the fact that Satan’s goal is to promote this lie of oneness so that Islam can dominate in the end. By accepting and tolerating Islam in their midst, Hindus lost Pakistan, Bangladesh, Indonesia, Malaysia, Kashmir, and one third of most of their cities of Hindu India to Islam. Hinduism is therefore a design by Satan to pave the way for Islam. Even the Islamic Kabaa used to be of Hindu influence but now has become the center of Islamic rule. From this we can easily see that what ever Hinduism touches turns into the realm of Satan whether through Islam or through their own brew of poverty, corruption and discrimination towards their own Hindu people.
4. When it comes to discrimination of their own, Hindus have this commonality of discriminating their own women. Nowhere in any part of our world this commonality exists. The acid throwing virtue of both Hindus and Muslims. Women when burned with acid represent the zombie like existence of Hindu and Muslim women. They are dead people scary enough for little children to scamper away from. This is probably why Hindus and Muslims invented the head and face coverings they call hijab for Muslims and Sari for Hindus. One time, FFI posted some pictures of women who are victims of acid throwing, to my surprise, their faces look exactly the same when I saw a picture of a dead decomposed woman thrown in the Ganges river by the Hindus and that dead woman’s face were exposed to the flies and the elements. Even Muslims have respect to their own dead.
5.People full of doubts will say that the above are just mere coincidences. But one of the very most important aspect of Islam and Hinduism which bounds them together as one is the unison in their doctrinal concept that God did not come to our existence as our own flesh to save mankind from sin. In fact Hinduism openly declares that sin does not exist. It’s only an illusion, and so as the whole world. Both Islam and Hinduism hold hands in declaring that there is no such thing as the original sin of mankind. It is therefore, from this unison that we can summon the oneness of Islam and Hinduism. God is not a savior. It is we humans that can save ourselves from our own predicament. And behold look at the result of this lie in Islamic and Hindu countries. Human beings live like dead people.
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Hey buddy ol' pal have you seen my cheeseburger?
Moderators,
Please do something about this spammer darkfire. I tried to help him find his lost cheeseburger and gave him a good advice how to find it but he refused my help. Now he resorted to spamming instead of talking his problem over. I told him just follow the putrid smell and he will definitely find his cheeseburger where he left it while he was doing his vedantic meditation – underneath his mother's sari, he he he…
Yours truly,
freedomfighter67
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Moderators,
Please do something about this spammer darkfire. I tried to help him find his lost cheeseburger and gave him a good advice how to find it but he refused my help. Now he resorted to spamming instead of talking his problem over. I told him just follow the putrid smell and he will definitely find his cheeseburger where he left it while he was doing his vedantic meditation – underneath his mother’s sari, he he he…
Yours truly,
freedomfighter67
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I'll leave you alone as soon as you answer my question.
Or are you too afraid you might have to look outside your perspective, maybe alter it, or change it all together once you find the answer you know you'll come to? Maybe that's why you're so afraid to address my question.
Dear people of islamd and non muslim _ I have just posted a link in CNN – and am asking for your support to buy the site and building for the new mosque in manhatten – this is so that we stop this monstrosity dead in its tracks and fuck nobama nd bullshit…I am looking for people to represent us and buy the builing and have lawyers draw up papers on everyone that has put money together as equal partners to ensure that we secure a 100 year lease on this property to ensure that it never becomes a religious institute of any kind. The business plan is to use the building viad management agents as office blocks or worst case charity organisations at cheaper rent. If we recover the profist each month we can then pay the people back and they will aslo keep their shares in the property. My thinking is simple and honest in that in our life time or our childrens this block will never be a religious institute. Please help – another thought is that we can then do this a multiple number of times to ensure we block controversial buildings…this means we treat the same for any religion.. I just want to show the world that we the ordinasry people can make a plan. I am looking for people in the land buying, lawyers, property etc… lets spread the word, the bigger the better because then this property will alwys remain in each ones, names and each one will get a title deed for their shasre of the building…….lets get this sorted out now.., any evaluaters out there than can represent us..thanks — remember positive action can sort out all problems…lets be positive and work together to get this building and resolve this big conflict…pass the word please
@ freedomfighter67
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Dear Mr.Incredible.
Thank you for your consistency across posts.Consistency is good as it helps to easily
categorise people. After going through your various posts,i am convinced of the following
things.
1.You are very well qualified to be the next successor to mohammed(Please piss upon him).
(Your qualities – Obsession with satan,sins,Supremacy of your religion ,lack of respect
and total ignorance of others and what you yourself are doing).
2.If you are not interested in that above post,you could become the equivalent of Islamic
wonderboy Zakir Naik,the man with a "twisted"tongue.
Why?
Because of everything you mentioned under the banner"Questions to Muslims and Hindus"
1.
"If you come to think of it, Hinduism is closer to Islam for they also believe that Jesus
Christ is not the Son of God and the concept of God saving the world through Jesus Christ
is absurd to them, the same way how Muslims see it. In fact, Hindus sometimes argue that
Jesus Christ did not exist, or if he did, he went to India to learn Hinduism."
Man ,were you smoking pot..?
2.
You have responded to my comment by mentioning
"Let me show you Islam and Hinduism’s commonality."
If you have copy pasted your response from somewhere,kindly have the grace to read it
once.If you have truly written it,please go through it once again just to be sure that
you were not writing under influence.And as for the commonality thing,I am still
waiting.Please update the commonalities once you are done smoking weed.
3."The claim that both Islam and Christianity is an Abrahamic faith"by hindus.
Of course ,it is a heading in one of the vedas,How did I miss it,silly me.
4."Lies are also in the forefront of promoting the oneness of all religions and Hindus
are the ones leading this lie. For them all religions are different pathways to the same
God. Little do they realize that by saying this they are giving legitimacy to the false
religiousness of Islam. This is an utter lie to mankind and no doubt all lies come from a
satanic influence. Hindus get insulted when Christians say that, like Islam, Hinduism is
from the devil, but they deny the fact that Satan’s goal is to promote this lie of
oneness so that Islam can dominate in the end".
Awesome.I prostrate before your superior intelligence.
You have presented me with a dilemma,To laugh like a hysterical maniac or to weep in self
pity for trying to respond to people like you.(Psst…Actually ,I laughed like there was
no end)
Man ,how did you come up with that idea,is there a school for learning such writing
skills.Dude,Please sponsor zakir Naik,he will be your disciple.
By religion,it is normally meant that it is not evil,it will be for the good of humankind
and promote value.
Do you think Islam is a religion in that sense ?.It is more of a cult and not interested
in well-being of humankind,glory is mostly for muslim men.So hinduism cannot accept
Islam.
Moral of the story:"It is difficult to consider islam as a religion in the sense that is
used by saner societies,If it promotes evil,hinduism didnt say that evil is a way to
god."
5.
" When it comes to discrimination of their own, Hindus have this commonality of
discriminating their own women. Nowhere in any part of our world this commonality exists.
The acid throwing virtue of both Hindus and Muslims. Women when burned with acid
represent the zombie like existence of Hindu and Muslim women. They are dead people scary
enough for little children to scamper away from. This is probably why Hindus and Muslims
invented the head and face coverings they call hijab for Muslims and Sari for Hindus. One
time, FFI posted some pictures of women who are victims of acid throwing, to my surprise,
their faces look exactly the same when I saw a picture of a dead decomposed woman thrown
in the Ganges river by the Hindus and that dead woman’s face were exposed to the flies
and the elements. Even Muslims have respect to their own dead."
Acid throwing "virtue" you mentioned.The human race consists of a mixed bag of people
containing good,ok,bad and really bad elements.Do you want to associate christianity with
the killings during crusade,raping young boys by priests.Do you want to refer them as
scums or as christians ?.When a crime is done by a christian,do you say,it is a christian
crime,you tell me.Do you want to refer an acid thrower as hindu /muslim.Unlike islam ,
killings,,rape and murder is not much of a part of modern christianity.Same can be said
of hinduism.So treat it like it is meant to be treated.
Moral of the story:"Acids ,muslims and hindus do not mix"
"Sari is equivalent of hijab".Do you have a minute to do a google image search on sari.
In fact, a sari in one of the most sexiest dresses a woman can wear.It can be a very
revealing dress while actually revealing very little.If you are interested, you can get a
peek of a womans midriff,the profile of her breasts ( through the blouse,of course) and
depending on how tight fitting the saree is,her butt also.I just love to unravel my girl
wearing a saree rather than pulling out her trousers and tees,for you know what.Try it
with your girl,if you have one.Mind you,It takes practice to wear a saree perfectly.
The way a saree is worn is different in many places,In some northern parts of india,women
cover their heads with sari,while in southern india,head covering will be a rare sight
among hindus.Muslim women,if they wear sari, generally use a sari to cover their heads
,In many places in south india, christian women use it to cover their heads/exposed neck
portion.
Moral of the story:"Please dont equate hijab with Sari and try to connect a sari with
hinduism"
Dead bodies in the ganges/"Even Muslims have respect to their own dead"- You have
surprisingly scored a talking point.But you speak as if millions of hindus all over india
flock to ganges with their deceased/expected-to-decease folks.That is a wrong
statement.Hindu practice is to cremate the dead.May be the ones living near to ganges
might find floating dead bodies an asset to their landscape.Most hindus would find it
disgusting.
Moral of the story:"Please dont think that it is a general practice to dump bodies in
ganges,had it been like that, it would have been a floating mass of dead bodies.Cremation
is the only option for a deceased hindu and it is the ashes that is needed to be
scattered in the ganges."
6.
I thought that i will include only "points"from this specific post,but then thought the
better of it lest someone had the badluck to miss it".
"The symbol crescent – Islam with no specific reason uses the symbol crescent in almost
everything Islamic, from their mosques, flags and to their ambulances. Also, for some
ambiguous reason, Hinduism uses the same symbol mostly in illustrating their demonic god
Shiva. You can also see this mysterious symbol in Vishnu’s and Ganesha’s illustrations
but not all the time. Satanism also uses the same symbol of the crescent. You can see
this in their illustrations of the satanic god Baphomet. The crescent goes back to
ancient history further than all of the world religions’ existence. It is because Satan
and his demons have been in this world longer than any of human being’s existence. Is it
coincidence that the spherical phase of the moon, when divided by three will show as a
crescent? Is it also coincidence that in the Bible, it is written that one third of the
angels in heaven led by Satan, rebelled against God and their existence has been confined
in ours ever since?"
I am speechless.Once again i bow to your superior intelligence.
Here are my thoughts.
The crescent is not a "Mysterious Symbol" as you have mentioned.It has associated stories
and symbolic meaning .The waxing and waning of moon is symbolic of time ,evolution,birth
and death.
What can hindus do if some cult wanted to use some symbol that the hindus use.Do you
launch a crusade like thing to eliminate them?
"The crescent goes back to
ancient history further than all of the world religions’ existence"
Of course it was there.Since the creation of moon,i guess.
Cross is an instrument of torture.Do you want to associate christianity with torture?
No,right?If a cult uses executions using cross and uses it as their symbol,will you
associate christianity with that cult.?
Cross also have a history that predates christianity.Please check
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_cross
"Is it coincidence that the spherical phase of the moon, when divided by three will show
as a crescent? "
Will you kindly explain how to "divide the spherical phase of moon by three" to make it
look like a crescent.Do you use a spoon to gouge out the inner surface and finish the
sides?Hope you will put your intelligence to work.
"Is it also coincidence that in the Bible, it is written that one third of the angels in
heaven led by Satan, rebelled against God and their existence has been confined in ours
ever since?"
Now it is crystal clear,The whereabouts of satan and the rogue angels has been
identified.All that needs to be done to eliminate satan is to divide the moon by three
and nuke the place.
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Ring… ring….mr.president,Will you please read my posts and send some nuke to the
moon…Listen,you will have to divide it by three first….You are calling me what.How
dare you?You will burn in hellfire.*****.call that your mother.Damn You.
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BTW,Thank you so much for an entertaining post.
I think you will hate advice,but here is mine.
Please don't act superior to any religion ( Islam is a cult and all evil,,and hence excluded from this definition),many religions have committed some kind of evil upon people and tried to subjugate people at some point in time.Some are evil because of some book,some fail because of interpretation,some fail because of the way it has evolved.but then if the good values in a religion dominates over its own
evil/fallacies/stories/interpretations, sanity will resurface and it will evolve to a
better path,like good wine.So ,cheers to progress and evolution.
I have the highest respect for modern christian society.It is a culture that has spawned
many modern scientific and technological miracles.Please don't ruin that reputation by
posting jokes like this here.Of course,one sparrow doesn't make summer,but still.
Dude,please dont insult the collective wisdom and progressive mindset of the modern
christian society.Had i been the mod you would have been out long before.Whereas,if your
hatred is because you have been slighted by someone belonging to the hindu religion,i can
only say sorry and tell that your response is understood.
If any hindus are reading this,i beg you to stop responding to such people.I promise,this
will be my last response to this friend.By responding to someone like this,it is easy to
get carried away and insult an entire religion/society.This disrupts the focus and
possible efforts that needs to be done.We dont want infighting within family.
Infidel- thank you for that response. I will try not to feed the troll even when FF67 calls the hindu belief system as demonic and satanic. Some people wish to remain ignorant and there is nothing I can do about it. Having said that here are a few clarifications-
- While Hinduism accept that all paths and religions lead to THE SAME GOD, it also says that all paths are NOT THE SAME OR EQUAL. Some paths are straighter, shorter and easier than others which are full of dangers. The sacred Hindu text the Gita says that Worshippers of an unmanifest God can easily lose their way and be possessed by angst, anger and cruelty. So while hinduism says that all of us (Islamists and atheists including) worship the same God, It also says that the fruits of your spiritual discipline is proportionate to the quality of the path you choose. So while one can argue that Hinduism legitimizes Islamic worship (for that matter any sort of worship), it also clearly says there are superior and inferior paths. I have grown up in 3 continents and have met spiritual sikhs, hindus, christians (not in India but I met few in UK and US), i am yet to meet a spiritual muslim even though I have had many muslim friends. I have heard of a spiritual pakistani but the last thing i heard was that he was becoming a budhist. To me islam is a religion of strife and savagery, yet the souls in islam now through several more rebirths will eventually evolve to realize the ONE GOD
- Hinduism is not paving the way for Islam. Hinduism has fought Islam tooth and nail throughout history. It is the other way around- the christian western world bought peace with the devil of Islam by sacrificing the Hindu. Think about what happened to the hindus in Afghanistan. Afghanistan has a hindu sikh tribes as late as 200 years ago. When the british colonized India, they made peace with the islamists of afghanistan by giving them a free reign to systematically commit genocide of the hindus. When it was time for the British to be kicked out, they split India into 3 halves with 2 muslim majority provinces- the biggest genocide in history happened at that time. And then they fed us the crap about democracy and marxism and the corrupt British raj (Babu raj) system that they left us with. Guess what?- the babu raj system and marxism have been the most vocal supporters of islamism in India today.
In hopes of gaining converts, the christian missionaries in India have been trashing hinduism- unfortunately that has also allowed Islamists to gain the foothold. It was the western government of United states and NATO that nurtured and supported the Pakistanis and the Mujahadins in Afghanistan for the short term goal of driving out the USSR. and they used it against the hindus in India, driving away and killing the hindus in Kashmir first now elsewhere in india. Are hindus also to blame for Eurabia and the Londonistan?
So think objectively and consider recent history before you start griping about hindus paving the way for Islam. Hindus have a more legitimate reasons to complain about getting screwed over by the west who have empowered islamists. Even today western leaders are cavorting with the Saudis and other terrorist nations at the cost of Israel, India, the jews and hindus and kafirs in general.
I qulaify as Big MO, any one has a problem with that, if he can do it why cant you or me, lets have another religion and we will call it – supreme. SO my second in charge Prophet Zakir Naik and I will start this religion, we will smote the infidels with corrupt education and violent teachings. They will see the light, sorry only after the bomb goes off. Blame does not solve the problem, it only points to a possible cause of the problem. The problem we have is that millions hate or dont like Hinduism or Islam. I am not here to judge and criticise because when I meet my maker I will have to answer for the wrongs I havd committed. We all can blame each other but it will not solve the problem but we will fight, get angry and kill and hate but the problem will still be standing like mount sinai. To resolve the problem we need to find solutions, solutions that will make us live in peace and harmony and within a common set of rules and governance, but you know as well as me that will not happen in our life time, It will happen but not in our life time. Peace what every one is seeking, love what everyone wants, wealyth and prosperity to survive. We the educated are missing the basic understanding of these words. What is corrupting the world, religion, economy, social systems and maybe a few more, but how do we overcome them.. Religion – difficult one – very diverse, lots of hatred and self centredness, Economy – 80% of the wealth in 20% of the peoples hands, the rest are dying. Social systems – bill of rights, freedom charter, human rights, constitution. How to change it, there is only one way to sort out this mess and that is nuke the lot and nature will create a new breed and they will hopefully grow and live better with one mind……12 December 2012 is the day. The day we will fight for survival, no one will be alive so my question is why waste our time arguing and fighting and killing. lets make love and have lots of beer plenty of children and then when its lights out we can say, we enjoyed ourselves. I am no wiser than anyone, just a simple minded person trying to live my life in peace —