Speed of Light in the Quran
Hello Mr. Sina,
I stumbled upon your site when I tried to search about the claim that the Quran contains a secret code that reveals the speed of light.
I am forwarding to you my email to the site making this claim and their response to me. Would you like to answer them?
Anonymous Inquirer
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Assalamo Alaikum
I read your site and was absolutely fascinated about the discovery that the Quran has been so accurate in giving
the speed of light much earlier that scientists discovered it. However, upon trying to find you again I Googled “Speed of Light in the Qur’an” and right
beneath your site I found another site that seems to debunk this claim quite convincingly. Does the Quran mention the speed of light? by Ali Sina.
I am very interested to read your response. I doubt you have not seen this site because it is right beneath your site in Google search. But I did not find
any reference to it or rebuttal of it in your site.
I hope you will refute this person and I look forward to your response.
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Here is the response from www.speed-light.info/
First, Ali Sina is not a physicist. This is why he referred to a webpage that does not even have the solution!!!
The solution is at my website. My physics is perfect. He knows this however he did not even mention my website. Why? Because Ali Sina does not want anyone to see the solution.
Second, Ali Sina is an ex-Shia and he is comparing the verse to the Shia belief, not to Islam (Shia don’t accept the Quran as is, nor accept the hadeeth…). So this is his/their problem.
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Dear Anonymous Inquirer,
I have already refuted Dr. Hassab-Elnaby’s arguments and his claim that the speed of light is coded in the Quran. I went through his site after you sent the
link to it and found nothing important to refute.
In the chapter Variable Speed of Light, he explains that the speed of light is affected by gravitational field. In other words it slows down when passing close to massive objects like stars and black holes. However, for an observer from any point in the universe, the speed of light in relation to the rotation of the moon around the Earth is constant.
In the next chapter Effective Speed of Light, he talks about the expansion of the universe and how the speed of light is affected by it whereas the relation to the rotation of the Moon around the Earth observed from anywhere in the universe it is constant. It is basically the same argument made in the previous chapter.
These arguments do not add any meat to his claim. They are completely irrelevant to what he wants to prove. The general theory of relativity or the theories of how the universe will end have nothing to do with his claim that the speed of light is equal to the orbit of the Moon multiplied by 12000.
In logic these arguments are called non-sequitor. They are true arguments on their own, but they have no relevance to what he is asserting. His objective is to confound the reader. The claim of Dr. Elnaby is already refuted.
a)
I explained that Dr. Hasssab-Elnaby’s calculations are wrong and that light in one day travels much less than the distance the moon travels in 1000 lunar years. This is a simple mathematical calculation and there can be no ifs of buts about it. The subject is closed. Elnaby’s math is wrong.
b)
I also showed that his translation of this verse is wrong and that “affair” does not mean light, magnetic forces, waves or speed of light. If we are to take the 1000 years mentioned in the verse 32:5 literally how can we reconcile it with the verse 70:4 that says the day of God is 50,000 years? Also how could Muhammad go to the seventh heaven and come back in one night escorted by Angel Gabriel when it takes angels 50,000 years to travel this expanse?
c)
Dr. Elnaby also uses a wrong parameter to measure the speed of light. The orbit of the Moon around the Earth is expanding. How can one measurer something constant like the speed of light with something variable like the orbit of a planet? This is like trying to measure a table with an elastic tape.
It is impossible to get the right answer because your instrument of measurement is not constant. If you ask me, how tall is your desk, and I respond, it is as tall as my son, my answer can be valid only once, because my son keeps growing but my desk does not. Likewise, you cannot measure the speed of light that is constant with the orbit of the Moon that is changing.
d)
Moreover, the same analogy of a day of God being equal to 1000 years of what humans count is stated in the Old and the New Testaments. Assuming this was a miracle shouldn’t the credit go to the Psalmist who said it first?
Dr. Hassab-Elnany cannot respond to my refutation. Instead he attacks my person saying I am not a physicist and that I am an ex-Shiite and the Shiites are not Muslims because they interpret the Quran in a wrong way and they do not accept the hadith of the Sunnis, etc, etc. These are adhominem – attack at the person. They are logical fallacies. Instead of undermining my credentials Dr. Elnaby should refute my arguments. Okay, I am not a physicist and he is. How does he feel when disproven by a layman and beaten in his own turf? The truth is that the errors committed by this zealot Muslim are so elemental that you don’ have to
be a physicist to refute them. Any eighth grader can do the mathematical calculations that I did and show Dr. Elnaby is wrong.
I did not know about his site. Now that I know I placed a link to it in the same article that I refuted him. Will he reciprocate and place a link to my rebuttal? Okay I am just trying to be funny. Of course he won’t. He does not even allow comments on his site. That is a good thing because people will only conclude that Dr. Elnaby is not comfortable about how I dismantled his comic theory. Sorry! Did I say comic? I meant COSMIC theory. He has spent a lot of time developing his theory and building his site. It must be painful for him to watch the big bad wolf Ali Sina, an ex-Shiite kafir blow at it and bring it to the ground. Maybe next time, Dr. Hassab-Elnaby will build his cosmic theories with solid arguments.
Ah, I forgot! Solid arguments don’t exist in Islamolandia swamp. Jews come up with theories such as General Relativity and Muslim? Oh well, Muslims scramble to find something in the Quran to say Muhammad said it first. This is the sympthom of the inferiority complex affecting the entire ummah who have never acheived anything and cling to their religion for thier self esteem. Little they know that it is their relgion that keeps them ignorant and in such a state of misery. People are the same everywhere. Humans are one race. There is no superior or inferior race. There is no reason for Muslims to be the most wreched people of the world. The only reason they are, is because of Islam. It is funny that despite all these scientific miracles stated in the Quran not a single Muslim has been able to decipher them to win a Nobel Prize in science. They only find them when a kafir makes a new scientific discovery, and then realize they were wrong when another kafir disproves the first kafir’s theory. Then they try to find another verse to prove Muhammad said it first.
Who said Islam is a rigid religion? While Bin Baaz, the Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia discovers that the Earth is flat by reading the Quran, Dr. Elnaby discovers the speed of light in the same book. If America is the land of opportunities, Islam is the religion of possibilities. Anything is possible. You can interpret the obtuse book of Quran in any way you like. Just use your imagination and twist the facts a little and see how many discoveries you can make. This book allows you to interpret it in any way you like. Isn’t that a miracle? Silly me, I thought a book of guidance must be a “clear book” (5:15) “easy to understand” (44:58, 54:22, 54:32, 54:40) “explained in detail” (6:114) “conveyed clearly” (5:16, 10:15) … and with “no doubt” in it (2:2)
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One can find statements that astoundingly describe absolute reality of physical world in Hindu philosophy similar to what modern physicists are finding in the behavior of matter at the sub-atomic level now. Statements like “every thing comes out of void (nothingness), all things dissolve in to void” It sounds similar to dynamic interplay between matter and energy or between matter and a black hole. Further, “one in all, all in one” as description of ultimate reality is nothing but unified field theory concept .
All these statements do not prove or disprove in any way as what is being seen today was seen thousands of years earlier. The processes are entirely different. It is obvious that what could not be understood or explained attracted many creative people bestowed with fertile imagination. Mysterious things get expressed in mysterious ways. At best it can be said that something similar being imagined as it is always possible to do this by sheer imagination. Science is also in the business of finding out verifiable truth and its mechanism is totally different. Any attempt to fit or compare past sayings is totally an irrelevant exercise irrespective of the similarities. For ex, the consistent theme in Hindu puranas is that Gods use to travel several worlds in a fraction of a second by means of a rocket called “Pusphaka Vimana”(flower shaped Rocket). If this is taken as real, we all must hang our head in shame as our best of rockets can clock only few kilometers per second. Again, if we manage to build a rocket similar to what is described, it is equally outlandish to call it as it existed in the past. At best we can call it as something like this was conceived and imagined in the past and past imagination has become a reality now. In short, comparison between distinctly different processes is totally fallacious and irrelevant.
Many outlandish conceptions of science fiction writers have become a practical reality does not make fiction writers great scientists. Man can always remain ahead in his imagination compared to what he can achieve practically. Imagination has no boundary or limit. Anything attributed to this process beyond imaginative creativity and literary merit is completely fallacious.
well done big bad wolf!
taken from http://www.hinduwisdom.info/Advanced_Concepts.htm
Speed of Light:
One such book is the celebrated commentary on the Rig Veda by Sayana (c. 1315-1387), a minister in the court of King Bukka I of the Vijayanagar Empire in South India. In his commentary on the 4th verse of the hymn 1.50 of the Rig Veda on the sun, he says:
Tatha cha smaryate yojananam sahasre dve dve shate dve cha yogane ekena nimishardhena kramamana namo ‘stu ta iti
Thus it is remembered: O Sun, bow to you, you who travers 2,202 yojanas in half a minute.
The Puranas define 1 nimesha to be equal to 16/75 seconds. 1 yojana is about 9 miles. Substituting in Sayana’s statement we get 186,000 per second.
Sayana’s statement was printed in 1890 in the famous edition of Rig Veda edited by Max Muller, the German Sanskritist . He claimed to have used several three or four hundred year old manuscripts of Sayana’s commentary, written much before the time of Romer. Further support for the genuineness of the figure in the ancient book comes from one of the earliest Puranas, the Vayu, conservatively dated to at least 1,500 years old. The Puranas speak of the creation and destruction of the universe in cycles of 8.64 billion years, that is quite close to currently accepted value regarding the time of the big bang.
To the visitors of FFI.
Im having trouble opening the site.The search engine ( internet explorer/firefox) always initially do not open the site, though there is nothing wrong when opening any other site.Is it just me or any one else having similar problem? Is it moslme scum bags trying to sabotage the site by paying off the site search engine owners?
I had problems last night. I guess the terrorists are at it again.
pK, I am also having this problem since yesterday.
One can find statements that astoundingly describe absolute reality of physical world in Hindu philosophy similar to what modern physicists are finding in the behavior of matter at the sub-atomic level now. Statements like "every thing comes out of void (nothingness), all things dissolve in to void" It sounds similar to dynamic interplay between matter and energy or between matter and a black hole. Further, "one in all, all in one" as description of ultimate reality is nothing but unified field theory concept .
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Many outlandish conceptions of science fiction writers have become a practical reality does not make fiction writers great scientists. Man can always remain ahead in his imagination compared to what he can achieve practically. Imagination has no boundary or limit. Anything attributed to this process beyond imaginative creativity and literary merit is completely fallacious.
Unit of Time: Nimesa
The Moksha dharma parva of Shanti Parva in Mahabharata describes Nimisha as follows:
15 Nimisha = 1 Kastha
30 Kashta = 1 Kala
30.3 Kala = 1 Muhurta
30 Muhurtas = 1 Diva-Ratri (Day-Night)
We know Day-Night is 24 hours
So we get 24 hours = 30 x 30.3 x 30 x 15 nimisha
in other words 409050 nimisha
We know 1 hour = 60 x 60 = 3600 seconds
So 24 hours = 24 x 3600 seconds = 409050 nimisha
409050 nimesa = 86,400 seconds
1 nimesa = 0.2112 seconds (This is a recursive decimal! Wink of an eye=.2112 seconds!)
1/2 nimesa = 0.1056 seconds
Unit of Distance: Yojana
Yojana is defined in Chapter 6 of Book 1 of the ancient vedic text “Vishnu Purana” as follows
10 Param?n?us = 1 Paras?kshma
10 Paras?kshmas = 1 Trasaren?u
10 Trasaren?us = 1 Mah?rajas (particle of dust)
10 Mah?rajasas = 1 B?l?gra (hair’s point)
10 B?l?gras = 1 Likhy?
10 Likhy?s= 1 Y?ka
1o Y?kas = 1 Yavodara (heart of barley)
10 Yavodaras = 1 Yava (barley grain of middle size)
10 Yava = 1 Angula (1.89 cm or approx 3/4 inch)
6 fingers = 1 Pada (the breadth of it)
2 Padas = 1 Vitasti (span)
2 Vitasti = 1 Hasta (cubit)
4 Hastas = a Dhanu, a Danda, or pauruSa (a man’s height), or 2 N?rik?s = 6 feet
2000 Dhanus = 1 Gavy?ti (distance to which a cow’s call or lowing can be heard) = 12000 feet
4 Gavy?tis = 1 Yojana = 9.09 miles
Calculation:
2202 yojanas in 1/2 nimesa
= 2202 x 9.09 miles per 0.1056 seconds
= 20016.18 miles per 0.1056 seconds
= 189547 miles per second !!
As per the modern science speed of light is 186000 miles per second !
And so I without the slightest doubt attribute the slight difference between the two values to our error in
accurately translating from vedic units to SI/CGS units. Note that we have approximated 1 angula as exactly 3/4 inch.
While the approximation is true, the angula is not exactly 3/4 inch.
Great work arp!I have a bunch of hindu friends researching on hindu text called 'vaimanika shastra'a text on aeronautics.This texts are really amazing.Everything in details(mathematical).This text mention about mercury,iron and 9 types of mirrors which cannot be discovered until now.From my point of view hinduism is not a religion,its a way of life.Full of mysteries.Even bagavad gita has no fix meaning,its a inner journey.The more you mature spiritually the more you understand it differently each time you read them.The only way to understand bagavad gita is through yoga and meditation.
May be who knows, as Bible writes imagined , Earth may be 6000 years old. am I Correct Mr. cmclvr .
Things are getting even better. I thought this site belongs to Dr. Mansour Hassab-Elnaby whose claim I had refuted in my previous article. However, the Anonymous Inquirer just sent me the following email he received from http://www.speed-light.info/:
"Our site is a collaboration of several moslem physicists. We don't even know Dr. El-Naby. We have a physics forum and he can challenge us directly on our site. The physics at our website is perfect."
So it is not just one individual who is confused, it is a team of Muslim scientists who are making such an absurd claim. This is amazing. How these people got their diploma? Where did they study? How could they come up with this much nonsense, look at each other with straight faces and create a website on such an absurdity.
“The physics at our website is perfect.” This is their response to my refutation of their claim. That is all they can say.
It is no wonder that Islamic countries are so backward. Look at their scientists.
I had similar problems,but the server said view cached something,r search,but neuther links opened.It only said the "oops,link is broken".I was thinking only I had the problem. I wondered if the site was hacked?!Glad to know there is some company.:-D