Fatima and a Group of Young Muslims Leave Islam
Editor’s Note: More and more, groups of Muslims leave Islam. It is not always individuals on their own anymore. All it takes to leave Islam is to subject its creeds, belief system and moral code, to critical analysis and scrutiny, and to discuss incidents in the unholy life of its satanic prophet. Below is a short, yet telling, story of Fatima and her group of friends, on how and why they left Islam. Congratulation to this young and courageous group of apostates.
My name is Fatima Muhammad and I’m originally from Pakistan and born into a Muslim family. I was a Muslim for 19 years and went through many episodes of extreme devotion to Islam and sometimes less so. After watching many debates from Christopher Hitchens, Sams Harris etc., and also reading about Islam I gradually began to see a huge vacuum between what reality actually was, and how it was described by religion.
Also, Muhammad’s extremely evil nature convinced me that he was just a man, who exploited the Arabs to get his own way. Even if he did everything perfect, there is no way to reconcile his marrying 6-year-old Aisha, and then sexual intimacy when she was 9. It doesn’t matter if the Arabs practiced it. A man sent as a perfect example in all matters of life for the entire world till the end of times would never do this. And how could Allah’s morality be so warped that he was unable to tell Muhammad that it would be considered inappropriate in later centuries?
Anyway, there’s too much wrong in Islam to even begin to justify the good that it does occasionally contain. My brother and two other girls I know have also left Islam and we’re all from Pakistan. I wish Pakistan as a country would give up Islam and re-join with India since India is a progressive country, whereas Islam has literally reduced my country to chaos. Peace to everyone (including Jews) 
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Hey, ill mouthed Devon, are you done reading or your brain needs some time? It’s amazing to behave like you, ignoring things you can’t answer and at the same time responding to others with illogical comments. Come on, discussion still continues, I haven’t gotten my answer yet. Not you not others, all the same. Always run in the middle or try to save some faces by posting irrelevant comments again and again.
Mr. Moooooooooooo—–,
toddler boy! Discussion is over with you. we have cross the bridge and don't go back. There is no in between. Go back and read again and again, you will defineitely find answer in my post.
Anyway, your two other toddler supporter left you in the moratorium for your unexpected short breath.
Hey Theinfidel,
Have you ever seen a psychiatric patient, who talk's himself, sings, hear the voice in the air, reply to unseen, can see but other people don't or any person has psychological, mental disorder. 1st of all you need to know this type of patients social life, and independent capabilities.!!!
deleted other comments———— ——————-i don't like to share now'
He is a cunning hyporate, his motive is to run a business and make money using religion as a tool. His $50,000 dollar reward and judging by the readers of this site is another cheap statment, like he is selling a "Jhandu Bam" in the footpath at a local bazar (market).
@devon
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"Hey Theinfidel,
Have you ever seen a psychiatric patient, who talk’s himself, sings, hear the voice in
the air, reply to unseen, can see but other people don’t or any person has psychological,
mental disorder. 1st of all you need to know this type of patients social life, and
independent capabilities.!!!
deleted other comments———— ——————-i don’t like to share now’
He is a cunning hyporate, his motive is to run a business and make money using religion
as a tool. His $50,000 dollar reward and judging by the readers of this site is another
cheap statment, like he is selling a “Jhandu Bam” in the footpath at a local bazar
(market).
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Hi Devon,
1.Psychiatric problems can manifest in different manners.Isnt it what Ali
mentioned about mohammed in his ebook.
If you are really interested in these varieties,please say so,.i will be glad to forward a
few links for good study.
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2.Zandu Balm is available in the footpaths as well as with mega trader Amazon also.
The Amazon product page describes the features of zandu Balm as a Remedy for HeadAche, Body Pain & Cold .
http://www.amazon.com/Zandu-Pharmaceuticals-Balm/…
You compared Ali Sina with a person selling Zandu Balm ,But what is the issue
in it.Irrespective of whether a person sells a pain Balm in the streets or in a
supermarket ,a person who sells remedy to cure pain ought to be respected.Because
if there is pain,then it needs to be cured.Isnt it what Ali Sina and members of
FFI are doing?The cure may already have started work as this site reaches an
extraordinary number of people.
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3.(your comment "He is a cunning hyporate, his motive is to run a business and
make money using religion as a tool. His $50,000 dollar reward…..")
I will consider that vitriol as a manifestation of your anger .I asked for specific points to
prove that statement of yours.None so far.
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4.Let us agree that Ali makes money from this site.Now, our views differ from this point onwards.I say it is OK.Running a site is not cheap,one has to cover present
and future expenses & unforeseen events.And considering that Ali and other team mates
have invested enormous amount of time for putting up detailed debates,articles and issues
that most of us consider important and worth reading,I dont mind if he receives a reward in
terms of profit.Personally,i dont mind clicking an ad ten times if FFI is gonna get paid for it.
Now you can disagree.Ali Sina has disagreed to Zakir Naik by posting point by point counters.Likewise,you can prove Ali and FFI team by posting point by point counters.If you cant do that ,your views will be considered as rantings by an angry mind and given just that importance,which isnt much.
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5."deleted other comments———— ——————-i don’t like to share now’"
???????.Anything important should be shared.
Thanks for reading.
That's it? Just repeating things? How typical. So if god is unconfirmed then god is false? Unconfirmed = false. Dear oh dear, now I know your capacity. By the way, where is the answer for my 11 questions? You have missed so many in my posts. If you can't handle the discussion just say so. Muhammad = false. Devon, you are really pathetic.
Supporter again? Sigh, stupid people like to repeat refuted things like this. Can any other muslims answer my points here? Apparently this kiddo has no knowledge at all.
Saying the discussion is over while you haven't even responded to mine is really cowardly act. Tell me, where is your answer? Pointing without details? I have refuted all your poor arguments. None is left and you pretended not to read it. No, Devon the discussion is not over or it's over with you running away from questions and arguments.
"Discussion is over with you. we have cross the bridge and don’t go back."
The one that cross the bridge is you. You didn't dare to discuss the issue directly and keep posting irrelevant topic like pathetic milk and math in order to save your face.
"Go back and read again and again, you will defineitely find answer in my post."
Same to you, go back and read mine which have refuted your "go back and read again answer", then you'll definitely find my answers and unanswered questions.
"Anyway, your two other toddler supporter left you in the moratorium for your unexpected short breath."
Subjective emotional post and it shows your level. Devon, your value is decreased in my eyes. Oh, don't bother complaining.
Theinfidel,
"Otherwise you will be mistaken for a person who is all talk."
From the very beginning he was like that. All talk no bite no proof no argument. Just look at his post to you.
Mr. Mooooooooooooooo–,
Your blunt provocative, immotional statemets are helpless and still keeping you in the moratorium. No one can hear the shout of an skeleton.
@Devon
Since you aren't commenting to my post.ithought i will comment about somethings by you.
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Devon says:
July 31, 2010 at 8:14 am@administrator,
What’s the relationship with the story & the video above!!! When Fatima is from Pakistan.
Anyone can easily understand from her fake expression that this Iranian lady is actually
lying. She look’s like a by born physically impaired woman,as broken bones joint would
never look like that also beaking thais is extremely likely impossible or might happened
due to fatal road accedient/ car crash. No one get 3 years impressionment for not wearing
head scarf. Its silly. Also no prision Guard would dare to rape a uni student even in
case of 1,000% chaotic situation. But if it really have had happened then Iranian
nationals are evils not religion. Then you, Ali sina and other Iranians irrespective of
religion should equally guilty for your Iran’s social criminalisation not the whole
muslim worldwide.
I know most estrange Iranians make some fascinating story to get a refugee status or
residency status to OECD countries. or to change religion. This is very common to Iranian
socio -economic context and absolutely nothing to do with religion.
So the story is absolutely rubbish, shits & craps.
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1.
What’s the relationship with the story & the video above
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The video is titled "Here is a supplementary Video from another Ex-Muslim".
Definition of supplementary from freedictionary dotcom.
sup·ple·ment (spl-mnt)
n.
1. Something added to complete a thing, make up for a deficiency, or extend or strengthen
the whole.
2. A section added to a book or document to give further information or to correct
errors.
Do you have a problem understanding english?
Now even if there is no relation,why should you object to it?This is a site showing the truth of Islam and muslims.Hence such a material is entirely appropriate.
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2.
"Anyone can easily understand from her fake expression that this Iranian lady is actually
lying"
Please elaborate.How did you come to know from the expressions that the lady is lying?
What are those expressions,expression reading is done by pros during investigations.If
you thinks you are qualified,post your expression readings here.I will give my answers
later.
She has rightly said that in Islam women are lesser creatures than men.From her
expressions ,she looks like she will just explode in tears if probed further.
Are you a true muslim such that no amount of facts facing you will change your mind.At
least stop posting stupid comments that you cannot backup here.
You have earlier described the followers of islam as foxes (inadvertently done while
trying to ridicule AliSina,never thought that the shit will hit the fan,right?),which is
by far the best statement you have made.Try to become a human being.
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3.
"She look’s like a by born physically impaired woman,as broken bones joint would never
look like that also beaking thais is extremely likely impossible or might happened due to
fatal road accedient/ car crash."
Kindly note the location of the injury.it is on the inner side on her left leg.Please
also note the lack of external injuries on the lower part of the legs.
Crash victims injuries are mostly on the parts that are exposed to colliding
materials.Visible injuries occur mostly on frontal parts of thighs,lower legs,face and
injuries to chest bone.Inner thigh is definitely not one such injury prone location as it
is protected ,simply because of it being closer to the other leg.
If it was caused during an accident ,then most likely it is because skydaddy allah
personally intervened to wreak revenge upon a female.
By inferring from the state of the injury and the location of the injury,it looks like
the injury has been deliberately and precisely inflicted to cause serious pain and render
a person unable to walk.
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4.
"No one get 3 years impressionment for not wearing head scarf. Its silly. Also no prision
Guard would dare to rape a uni student even in case of 1,000% chaotic situation. But if
it really have had happened then Iranian nationals are evils not religion. Then you, Ali
sina and other Iranians irrespective of religion should equally guilty for your Iran’s
social criminalisation not the whole muslim worldwide."
Did you make up the iranian muslim law?Do you have proof that the people did not cook up further
claims and allegations against her?.Dou you think she could have proved her innocence or theorised about the irrelevance of head scarf before true muslims?Do you think male muslims are going to care if other charges are levelled against her.How many male muslims are going to defend her?
"No prison guard would dare to rape a uni student"
Why.?The muslim rulers are trying every bit to crush the student movement,Do you think
they will give a damn?News such as this would more or less serve as a deterrent to budding women rebels.All the better for a muslim paradise.
If Iranian nationals are torturing women in the name of Islamic law,what do you think you
can do?Have you started a movement to refine iranian law?Will you do your best to support
iranians who long for peace.?Do you have an action plan other that loathing about
iranians in this forum?
Iran is simmering .It is only a matter of time.The views of the youth itself shows
promise to a better world without islam.I wouldnt be surprised if Islam's undoing begins
from Iran.
If All iranian nationals are guilty,then is the woman shown in the video guilty?.Is Ali
Sina guilty for hating Islam and that pathetic regime ?.Were the inhabitants of former
british colonies guilty because the brits had conquered their countries and enforced
their laws?
Isnt a true muslim who accepts koran guilty of supporting crime,violation of women's
rights,rights of people in other religions?
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5.
"I know most estrange Iranians make some fascinating story to get a refugee status or
residency status to OECD countries. or to change religion. This is very common to Iranian
socio -economic context and absolutely nothing to do with religion."
Dude,If a country is religiously organized,then those religious doctrines permeates into
and dictates the social functioning of a society.You conveniently seperated religion from
socio-economic context of Iran,which is wrong.
Visit http://www.homa.org/ for more "fabricated and photoshopped" items about glorious islam.
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Didnt you know that Islam is composed of two words
I and Slam.
The most accurate definition if Islam is in the name itself.
Is it the sign that has been mentioned in your book?
People of ISLAM lives by one all pervading dogma.
ie;
I SLAM
I SLAM – Democracy
I SLAM – Secularism
I SLAM- Women
I SLAM- People of Other Faiths
I SLAM- Human Rights
I SLAM- Clitoris
I SLAM- Criticism
I SLAM- Peace
I SLAM – Love (except sexual love)
I SLAM – All basic human goodness.
That pretty much summarises the whole of koran.
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I was hoping against hope that you will try to prove your statements through verifiable evidences.All you have done is spew venom against other members and Ali Sina (PBUH).
If you are a typical muslim,you will keep on commenting like this till the end of time.I hope that there is no internet in muslim paradise,lest they start commenting from there ,in between bouts of sex with virgins and young boys.
@Moooo.
Great posts.Appreciate your logics
Theinfidel ,
not the left leg. it was right leg.
I am not surprised your level of understanding.
A Zhandu Balm whether you sell it on the footpath or change the technique to sell on line its always a Zhandu balm. never clinically, tested or proven, no pathological report available. the producer is a man called 'DOCTOR KODOM ALI , no formal certificates gained' ( you should watch the movie for your better understanding). Zhandu balm neither cure nor harm / or damage the brain cell. Because head scull is zhandu Balm protected.
But Dr. Kodom Ali alwyas challenge on the footpath or on line to disproving his claim as a reward of $50,000 for last 10 years and always tell the same thing. This Kodom Ali also have a group of promotional worker /fan in the footpath whenever he canvass ,there job is too say yes! yes! you are right, you have been using this for last 10 years also had lot of benefit., so some ordinary lay man, unable to read , write, or think carefully, buy this cheap pproduct, sometime Dr. Kadam Ali offer special promotion buy one get two other free.
but this skin sensetive non standard, no tested Zandu Balm causes skin diseas in the long run for their user/supporter.
Theinfidel,
Now I have got clear understanding of your knowledge level which can be compared to MOOOOOOOO standad, who always offer some logical falacies. though I am not sure who is teacher & student in between you & him.
From the very old time literal meaing of Fox is wise intelligent being. but there are silly fox as well, who is unwise, silly intelligent being who can easily lost tail e.g Ali ( beauty/ religion what you can call ) so other , wise, intelligent being abandoned him. So please don't try to smoke out of nothing.
@devon
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Devon says
Theinfidel ,
not the left leg. it was right leg.
I am not surprised your level of understanding.
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Hi Devon.
Your comments prove once again the classical problem in Islam.
Ie,The problem of perspectives.
Please view the video once again.
The injured leg shown in the video is the woman's left leg,though since you are watching from the front,you are claiming it to be the right leg.You can easily see her right
healthy leg in the frames.(You easily see the other leg.Watch from 1.42 onwards).
Didnt you even think of the camera angle.If it was the inner left leg then the angle shown should be different.
Again,this is the problem in Islam.The lack of correct perspective/viewpoint.You can only see from your side and justify your points and think that you are right.Your perspective is diametrically opposite to reality.
This itself is more than enough to prove that my understanding is ,without a shred of doubt,superior to yours.
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""A Zhandu Balm whether you sell it on the footpath or change the technique to sell on line its always a Zhandu balm. never clinically, tested or proven, no pathological report
available. the producer is a man called ‘DOCTOR KODOM ALI , no formal certificates gained’ ( you should watch the movie for your better understanding). Zhandu balm neither cure
nor harm / or damage the brain cell. Because head scull is zhandu Balm protected
but this skin sensetive non standard, no tested Zandu Balm causes skin diseas in the long run for their user/supporter"".
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Relax,You are so excited.I am guessing,you were trying to joke.Appreciate the attempt ,though a little more clarity in sentence construction would have worked in your favor.
Now ,the Zandu Balm thing.
About zandu Pharmaceuticals.
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Established in 1910.Almost 100 years in the field .
Formulations produced with GMP/FDA approved manufacturing plants.
All the manufacturing plants are with latest machinery and with FDA approved testing laboratories.
Claims itself to be a leader in pain segment.(let us just ignore it )
Other relevant info.
No of Staff More than 1000
Year of Establishment 1910
Export Markets America, Europe, Asia Pacific countries, Africa, Middle East
Important Memberships/Affiliations.
Memberships Pharmexcil
IDMA (Indian Drug Manufacturers' Association)
IPA (Indian Pharmaceutical Association)
ADMA (Ayurvedic Drug Manufacturers’ Association)
BHMA (British Herbal Medicine Association)
Bombay Chamber of Commerce & Industries
Indo American Society, etc.
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Those are from http://zandupharmaceuticals.tradeindia.com/Export…
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Lets us assume that all those claims are false.
Now some reality,Do you have the slightest idea how difficult it is for a company to get approvals to sell pharma products in USA.?It is approved only after stringent verification.
If there were widespread skin problems as you mentioned,it should already have happened in the USA and this company would already have been brought to court with law suites that can
easily get them mired in debt.So your attempts to discredit zandu Balm doesnt work.So your entire rantings based on Zandu Balm falls flat.Sorry.
Well,I dont know if muslims have any genetic aversion to zandu Balm.In that case, as they say "We dont have no cure".Let us pray for a muslim heaven without skin problems caused
by zandu balm.
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"""Theinfidel,
Now I have got clear understanding of your knowledge level which can be compared to MOOOOOOOO standad, who always offer some logical falacies. though I am not sure who is
teacher & student in between you & him.
From the very old time literal meaing of Fox is wise intelligent being. but there are silly fox as well, who is unwise, silly intelligent being who can easily lost tail e.g Ali
( beauty/ religion what you can call ) so other , wise, intelligent being abandoned him. So please don’t try to smoke out of nothing""".
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My supremacy over your claims have already been established from my first answer-with respect to your perspective.Perspective is a mental filter and will color your view of events.(hope you understand)
I cannot speak for Mooo.All i have seen from these posts is that you have never tried to give a proper answer to his postings.And declared that you have crosed the bridge.This is called escape.A typical strategy so that pursuers cannot come and attack you.
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Now we will tacke the foxes.
Please read the following posts taken from BBC wildlife magazine.You can find appropriate comparison in brackets.
Source http://www.bbcwildlifemagazine.com/british-wildlife/understand-fox-behaviour” rel=”nofollow”>:http://www.bbcwildlifemagazine.com/british-wildlife/understand-fox-behaviour
BBC Wildlife magazine describes Social behaviour of Foxes
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•There is a strict dominance hierarchy within social groups.
(Allah- prophet-Mullah-jihadi-dumb sycophant followers)
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•A subordinate approaches a dominant with its body held low. It often crouches or even wriggles on its back at the feet of the dominant animal in a puppy-like appeasement gesture.
(Women is Islam)
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•Cubs start to establish a dominance hierarchy even before they emerge from their earth, when fights are particularly vicious. About 20 per cent of cubs die underground, often
as a result of spats with siblings. Dead cubs are generally consumed by littermates.
(killing and infighting start from a very early age,If not some other species,their own will do.)
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•Hierarchy is largely established within seven or eight weeks, and thereafter serious fights are rare.
(Common Islamic Strategy:Subdue or Kill the competitors so that no threats form later.All you have is a bunch of sycophants who will wag their tails to the dominant one and follow blindly.If not ,the threat of death is high.)
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•Dominant cubs have preferential access to food and thus grow much faster. In larger litters, dominant cubs may look four weeks older than subordinates, often leading to the mistaken impression of two pooled litters.
(Must be the jihadis/mullah material with the fancy beards.)
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•Dominant cubs receive more social grooming from adults, are more strongly integrated into the social group and less likely to disperse in autumn.
(Mullah indoctrination with erection inducing stories of virgins and threats of hellfire)
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•As cubs get older, they fight by standing on their hindlegs and placing their forelegs on their opponent’s chest. They try to push each other over in a trial of strength. The loser is often chased and may be badly bitten on the rump or base of the tail.
(More killing and subjugation and need to dominate)
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Some more.
•Generally, only one vixen breeds, but occasionally up to three do.
( should have been four, i guess the male foxes are a little better.Perhaps the allah of the foxes is a little different.)
•Cubs can be reared separately, but may also be pooled together in one large litter.
(Like in madrassas)
•The average litter size is four or five, but eight is not uncommon.
(typical muslim idea of increasing their own population to become fastest growing religion)
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Following from wikipedia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Fox
The red fox was introduced to Australia for hunting in 1843 near Melbourne,
but has since become widespread, and is considered responsible for the decline
in a number of species of native animals.
(How typical,taking over other's domains)
In Australia, foxes are usually controlled with baits or the animals shot
with the aid of spotlighting. The eyeshine signature (from the tapetum lucidum in the eye)
of foxes, and body shape and silhouette are used to identify them.
Success has also been found with the reintroduction of the native "Australian Dog", the dingo,
(The end is near,foxes once accepted are now recognized as threats.They will be shot and killed.
Native species who know how to live and adapt to surroundings will thrive once again.And peace shall prevail.)
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A trickster character, the word Sly is almost invariably associated with foxes in English,
and the connotation of a sneaking intelligence (or even magic powers of stealth,)
are seen in traditional tales of Europe, Japan, China, and North America
(Cunning/Sly,sneaking intelligence(Deception)-trademark of foxes)
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Fox and Muslims-What an apt comparison.Infact i didnt have the wildest idea that it would be this funny.
(Thank you BBC /wikipedia for describing the general traits associated with muslims,oops ,sorry ,i mean foxes.)
Definitely,the Fox is an appropriate analogy.I wouldnt be surprised if other wild animals call foxes as muslims.You never know.
Well,that is all for now.As they say in the books allow me to sign off in style.
""I hope you have enjoyed reading this as much as i have enjoyed writing"".
Thanks for reading.
@ Devon
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says:
August 30, 2010 at 12:08 amTheinfidel ,
"""Dr. Kadam Ali offer special promotion buy one get two other free."""
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Promoting products by offering same/similiar products free is a common marketing tactic employed by everyone from P&G to Unilever and everyone in between.
Judging from your surprise over such a tactic,i think muslim marketing strategy must be
different.May be it goes like this.
jihadi/Mullah salesman :"If you dont buy this ,i will kill you".
No need for unnecessary free offers or wastage of resources entailed during promotional
activities.
@Devon.
A small correction.I commented like this
"Didnt you even think of the camera angle.If it was the inner left leg then the angle shown should be different."
I meant the inner right leg since it was what you claimed it was.
“Your blunt provocative, immotional statemets are helpless and still keeping you in the moratorium. No one can hear the shout of an skeleton.”
Devon, instead of responding intelligently and answering it, you chose to resort to this useless rant. The fact stay the same you cannot answer any of my posts including my 11 points, that’s why you use this emotional ranting. Really pathetic.
"Now I have got clear understanding of your knowledge level which can be compared to MOOOOOOOO standad, who always offer some logical falacies. though I am not sure who is teacher & student in between you & him."
No, Devon, it is you who don't understand logic and its fallacy. I even gave you example and challenge to mention fallacies in Sina's book but you as usual have avoided it. You have to learn how to read and understand opponent's argument rather than spewing your emotion just to please your inflated ego
Theinfidel,
I can't just believe myself, whta I am taking and where you are going. Its amazing, is not it!!
Devon, It shows your limited understanding to the topic you have started yourself and you are speechless not to know what to respond. Like that "right leg"part. It's really pathetic. Oh, before commenting on mine please respond and answer my avoided post first, otherwise your are a all talk coward.
Mr. Moooo,
"you are speechless not to know what to respond." May be you are right from your piont of view which does not bother me at all. So its better for you to have self confidence. Seeing thing from a top and from the ground is always different.
*** yes, it was left leg. sorry for the mistake, last time a saw the video was long ago.
"Theinfidel,
I can’t just believe myself, whta I am taking and where you are going. Its amazing, is not it!!""
Will you kindly elaborate..
Devon, "May be you are right from your piont of view which does not bother me at all. So its better for you to have self confidence. Seeing thing from a top and from the ground is always different."
I was talking about your discussion with Theinfidel and if you don't bother then you are a stubborn person who don't listen to people. The topic was yours in the first place not him/her. About the leg, was it a wrong perspective or you saw it wrong literally?