Are ISIS, Boko Haram, Al Qaeda, Talibans real Muslims? Or they are just Hijacking Islam for their own purpose?

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  1. Truth Seeker09 says:

    DonShin1 Truth Seeker09 
    you are really strange and very clever . no matter what Ibne Kathir says , the reality is 5:32 was revealed for Moses and his followers , not for Mohammad and his followers , Mohamamd said that verse only just to mention what Allah said to Moses and it doesnt mean that Mohammad and his followers need to follow that command cause 2:106 and 16: 101 clearly abrogate the commandments of the previous books.
    well you used Ibne Kathir to prove your case though he didnt say Muslims need to follow that commandment of 5:32,and at the same time you ignored Ibne Kathir’s tafsir that I mentioned in my post for 9:5 which is following :

    and besiege them, and lie in wait for
    them in each and every ambush), do not wait until you find them. Rather,
    seek and besiege them in their areas and forts, gather intelligence
    about them in the various roads and fairways so that what is made wide
    looks ever smaller to them. This way, they will have no choice, but to die or embrace Islam.

    (Source: http://www.qtafsir.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2581&Itemid=64)
    So it means u are not only clever but also evil minded person who just tries to cheat people by cherry picking.

    Hadith says not to kill people , but quran says to kill people who will not convert to islam , that means this killing has a cause , so where is the problem ? If a person converts to islam , then no to kill , but if he doesnt want to convert to islam , u have to kill him , simple ,.
    Finally , which command is more important ? Quranic command or Hadith Command ? whats your opinion ?

  2. Truth Seeker09 says:

    DonShin1 Truth Seeker09 
    you are really strange and very clever . no matter what Ibne Kathir says , the reality is 5:32 was revealed for Moses and his followers , not for Mohammad and his followers , Mohamamd said that verse only just to mention what Allah said to Moses and it doesnt mean that Mohammad and his followers need to follow that command cause 2:106 and 16: 101 clearly abrogate the commandments of the previous books.
    well you used Ibne Kathir to prove your case though he didnt say Muslims need to follow that commandment of 5:32,and at the same time you ignored Ibne Kathir’s tafsir that I mentioned in my post for 9:5 which is following :

    and besiege them, and lie in wait for
    them in each and every ambush), do not wait until you find them. Rather,
    seek and besiege them in their areas and forts, gather intelligence
    about them in the various roads and fairways so that what is made wide
    looks ever smaller to them. This way, they will have no choice, but to die or embrace Islam.

    (Source: http://www.qtafsir.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2581&Itemid=64)
    So it means u are not only clever but also evil minded person who just tries to cheat people by cherry picking.

    Hadith says not to kill people , but quran says to kill people who will not convert to islam , that means this killing has a cause , so where is the problem ? If a person converts to islam , then no to kill , but if he doesnt want to convert to islam , u have to kill him , simple ,.
    Finally , which command is more important ? Quranic command or Hadith Command ? whats your opinion ?

  3. Truth Seeker09 says:

    DonShin1 Truth Seeker09 
    No I couldnt understand anything reading all those verses.

    First you should know the context of Surah Tawba which you are ignoring from the very begning but you wil insist on context for other verses of quran which shows your double standard.

    Surah Tawba was revealed in peaceful time and was revealed after 1 year of Mohammad’s Mecca conquest and tribes around Mecca or Medina were either subjugated to Mohamamd or were in some treaty. 9:1 says Allah is cancelling all the treaty without any reason , it doesnt say , non Muslims violated the treaty ( whch they couldnt dare to do when they were weak ) and so Allah said this verse , so Allah just cancelled treaty one sidedly , but why ? because Mohamamd is then victorious and powerful and so he doenst need any treaty any more .

    9:4 says to fulfill the trearty again which is contrary to 9:1 but in spite of that , how long time will be that treaty ? the 9:5 cleary shows it will be valid only for 4 months and later Muslims will kill every non Muslim whereever they will find them if they dont convert to Islam.
    And notice that , not a single verse says , Non Muslims were going to attack or were violating the treaty and so Allah is saying to attack and kill them.  but may be now you will make a story of your own where you can say non Muslims were violating treaty or were going to attack Mohamamd , but i am not interested in your own made story , sorry .

    9:6 says , give shelter to non Muslims , but the question is why will you attack then before as per 9:5? After attacking them , if you give them shelter if they ask for shelter , what kind of kindness is that one ? it means you are gifting a pair of shoes to a person stealing his cow.

    So you should read all those verses clearly  and then make your comment . dont be blind any more , wake up , open your eyes , know the truth

  4. DonShin1 says:

    Truth Seeker09 DonShin1
    And i want to criticize about your misconception with this verse:
    Quran-9:5: So when the Sacred Months have passed, then fight the Mushrikin wherever you find them, and capture them and besiege them, and lie in wait for them in each and every ambush. But if they repent and perform the Salah, and give the Zakah, then leave their way free. Verily, Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

    you should put it in a proper context first then give a correct explanation, so i’ll put here the complete topic about this ayah.

    translation of Al-Qur’an 9:1-12 (as one topic)
    9:1
    [This is a declaration of] disassociation, from Allah and His Messenger, to those with whom you had made a treaty among the polytheists.

    9:2 
    So travel freely, [O disbelievers], throughout the land [during] four months but know that you cannot 
    cause failure to Allah and that Allah will disgrace the disbelievers.

    9:3 And [it is] an announcement from Allah and His Messenger to the people on the day of the greater pilgrimage that Allah is disassociated from the disbelievers, and [so is] His Messenger. So if you repent, that is best for you; but if you turn away – then know that you will not cause failure to Allah . And give tidings to those who disbelieve of a painful punishment.

    9:4
    Excepted are those with whom you made a treaty among the polytheists and then they have not been deficient toward you in anything or supported anyone against you; so complete for them their treaty until their term [has ended]. Indeed, Allah loves the righteous [who fear Him].

    9:5 
    And when the sacred months have passed, then kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they should repent, establish prayer, and give zakah, let them [go] on their way. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.

    9:6
    And if any one of the polytheists seeks your protection, then grant him protection so that he may hear the words of Allah . Then deliver him to his place of safety. That is because they are a people who do not know.

    9:7
    How can there be for the polytheists a treaty in the sight of Allah and with His Messenger, except for those with whom you made a treaty at al-Masjid al-Haram? So as long as they are upright toward you, be upright toward them. Indeed, Allah loves the righteous [who fear Him].
    9:8
    How [can there be a treaty] while, if they gain dominance over you, they do not observe concerning you any pact of kinship or covenant of protection? They satisfy you with their mouths, but their hearts refuse [compliance], and most of them are defiantly disobedient.

    9:9
    They have exchanged the signs of Allah for a small price and averted [people] from His way. Indeed, it was evil that they were doing.

    9:10
    They do not observe toward a believer any pact of kinship or covenant of protection. And it is they who are the transgressors.

    9:11
    But if they repent, establish prayer, and give zakah, then they are your brothers in religion; and We detail the verses for a people who know.

    9:12
    And if they break their oaths after their treaty and defame your religion, then fight the leaders of disbelief, for indeed, there are no oaths [sacred] to them; [fight them that] they might cease.

    actually, after reading all of this verses you should have some understanding. so why in islam if politheist asking for help (protection) we should grant them our protection?. why muslim bother to give protection if they can just kill all of them like what you said?.
    so i’ll give some source that can give you a good explanation about this verses (history and meaning) and four kind of politheist in this 12 verses.

    http://haroonbaloch.blogspot.com/2007/02/explanation-of-verse-5-of-surah-taubah.html

  5. DonShin1 says:

    Truth Seeker09 DonShin1
    you want in of context and with detail?. alright i’ll give it my
    all.

    Qur’an Surat Al-Maidah 5:32 
    Because of that, We decreed
    upon the Children of Israel that whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for
    corruption [done] in the land – it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And
    whoever saves one – it is as if he had saved mankind entirely. And our
    messengers had certainly come to them with clear proofs. Then indeed many of
    them, [even] after that, throughout the land, were transgressors.

    Tafsir Ibnu Katsir Qur’an Surat
    Al-Maidah 5:32 
    “(that if anyone killed a
    person not in retaliation of murder, or (and) to spread mischief in the land –
    it would be as if he killed all mankind, and if anyone saved a life, it would
    be as if he saved the life of all mankind.) The Ayah states, whoever kills a
    soul without justification — such as in retaliation for murder or for causing
    mischief on earth — will be as if he has killed all mankind, because there is
    no difference between one life and another.
    (and if anyone saved a life…) by preventing its
    blood from being shed and believing in its sanctity, then all people will have
    been saved from him, so,
    (it would be as if he saved the life of all
    mankind.) Al-A’mash and others said that Abu Salih said that Abu Hurayrah said,
    “I entered on ‘Uthman when he was under siege in his house and said, ‘I
    came to give you my support. Now, it is good to fight (defending you) O Leader
    of the Faithful!’ He said, ‘O Abu Hurayrah! Does it please you that you kill
    all people, including me’ I said, ‘No.’ He said, ‘If you
    kill one man, it is as if you killed all people.
    Therefore, go back with my permission for you to leave. May you receive your
    reward and be saved from burden.’ So I went back and did not fight. “It is
    as Allah has stated,
    (if anyone killed a person not in retaliation of
    murder, or (and) to spread mischief in the land – it would be as if he killed
    all mankind, and if anyone saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of
    all mankind.) Saving life in this case occurs by not killing a soul that Allah has forbidden. So this
    is the meaning of saving the life of all mankind, for whoever forbids killing a
    soul without justification, the lives of all people will be saved from him.”

    So, although it happen in the
    past (Moses Prophet), it doesnt mean it can’t be applied in islam. there’s a
    lot of hadith that forbid murdering human being (whether it’s muslim or non
    muslim) to support this ayah.

    “Narrated Anas bin Malik:
    The Prophet said, “The biggest of
    Al-Kaba’ir (the great sins) are (1) to join others as
    partners in worship with Allah, (2) to murder a human
    being, (3) to be undutiful to one’s parents (4) and to make a
    false statement,” or said, “to give a false witness.”

    (Sahih Bukhari volume 9, book
    83, number 10)

    “Narrated ‘Abdullah bin
    ‘Umar: One of the evil deeds with bad consequence from which there is no escape for the one who is involved in it is to
    kill someone unlawfully.”
    (Sahih Bukhari volume 9 book 83
    number 3)

    “The Holy Prophet said: “The destruction of the entire world is lighter in the sight of Allah
    than the unjust killing of a believer.””Even if the inhabitants of
    Allah’s seven heavens and seven earths were to join in the killing of a
    believer unjustly, He will put all of them into Hell.” (Ibn Majah – Classed As Hasan & Al-Baihaqi – from Mazhari – cited
    in: Maulana Muhammad Taqi Usmani – Ma’ariful Quran – Volume 5 – Page 495).
    with
    all of this proofs, I hope you can see islam in different perspective.

  6. Truth Seeker09 says:

    bategu 
    you are exactly right ISIS are actually practicing the real Islamic doctrine and showing the whole world what the real Islam is. Surprisingly most of the Muslim people of Muslim countires are dead silent about their activities and not protesting against them which means they also support those ISIS but silently not openly which shows the real face of Muslims and Islam

  7. Truth Seeker09 says:

    DonShin1 Truth Seeker09 
    your hadith says ://////// “Whoever kills a mu‘aahid (a non-Muslim living under Muslim rule)
    will not smell the fragrance of Paradise, although its fragrance may be
    detected from a distance of forty years.” /////// it says not to kill non Muslims under islamic rule , it doesnt say anything about killing non Muslims when establishing islamic rule. ISIS are now trying to establish the real Islamic rule under Khilafot , and so they are killing everybody who doesnt support their policy ,which is absolutely approved by Quran and Sunnah

  8. DonShin1 says:

    Truth Seeker09 DonShin1 No, It’s not clear. why you not explain about hadist that i mentioned above?. after that i’ll give you my full rebuttal.

  9. bategu says:

    Dear TruthSeeker,
    What I had  written about ISIS etc, they are just practising what islam and quran command to them, so IS, Boko, etc are practising precisely what their prophet and quran should do and behaves , so exactly you may not diferentiate between the true islam to the  hijack.s islam or to the  true idolaters.

  10. Truth Seeker09 says:

    DonShin1

    Thanks for your nice comment . But you made the typical complaint like typical muslims which is : Out of Context.
    To avoid such typical and vague complain, I have tried to support with Tafsir Ibne Kathir and also related hadiths. And still u want to say all those are out of Context ? If so , then you should prove your case with in of context in details .

    And you just behaved a fraud Muslim scholar who try to defend islam mentioning partial quran verse. Like you mentioned the verse 5: 32 which was just partial , the full verse is :
    Quran 5: 32: Because of that, We decreed
    upon the Children of Israel that whoever kills a soul unless
    for a soul or for corruption [done] in the land – it is as
    if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one –
    it is as if he had saved mankind entirely. And our messengers
    had certainly come to them with clear proofs. Then indeed
    many of them, [even] after that, throughout the land, were
    transgressors.
    (http://quran.com/5)

    The verse was said to Moses not Mohammad , so the commandment of the verse was applicable for Moses and his followers not MOhamamd and his followers , so you just used an evil trick here to justify your case.

    As for your 25: 68-69 , this verse is obviously says about not to kill muslim which is said as Sacred , not non Muslims or kafirs or munafiks.

    Well why ISIS are killing Shia though they are known as Muslims ? Its because Sunni ISIS considers Shia as Munafiks and as per quran 4: 89 all munafiks must be beheaded and ISIS are actually trying to follow that commandment of Quran 4:89. To Sunni ISIS, shia are nothing but Munafiks and so they are punishing them with beheading. And surprisingly , Shia too can use the same verse for beheading Sunni Muslims. So Islam is such a religion that is only for hate , killing , robbing , raping etc and so Islam is nothing but an evil cult.

    Now I think everything is clear.

  11. DonShin1 says:

    Dear TruthSeeker,

    Your analysis is completely based only on your own desire (not objective) and all verses you put here is out of context. i really want to criticize every paragraph that you have explained here, but it will need a new article from me to do that and i doubt you will really understand what i’m trying to say. so i’ll make it as simple as possible.

    ISIS, Al-Qaida, and Boko Haram are terrorists, but not jihadist. what have they done is not in islam teaching. they translate Qur’an verses like you, without proper knowledge, and as they desire, that’s why we call them as The Fool. this group kill more muslims than non-muslims. And it’s not about Syiah or Sunni, cristian etc, but about anyone who try to oppose them and have different ideology will be executed, even their own member!!.

    This Qur’an verses and hadist explain about the consequences of killing innocent people (muslim or not).

    “…if any one slew a person – unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land – it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people…(Noble Quran 5:32)”

    “Those who invoke not, with God, any other god, nor slay such life as God has made sacred except for just cause, nor commit fornication; – and any that does this (not only) meets punishment.  (But) the Penalty on the Day Of Judgement will be doubled To him, and he will dwell Therein in ignominy. (The Noble Quran, 25:68-69)”

    It was narrated from ‘Abdullah ibn ‘Amr (may Allah be pleased with him) that the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “Whoever kills a mu‘aahid (a non-Muslim living under Muslim rule) will not smell the fragrance of Paradise, although its fragrance may be detected from a distance of forty years.” Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 2995

  12. bategu says:

    If they were different kinds of islam, so why they have the same code of conduct and practicing the precise way of daily life and  ritual habit such as anti infidels, jews, christians, etc.

  13. dhrubotara108 says:

    ha ha ha ha excellent article , now everything is clear and I think any person who will read it will understand clearly what the real islam is