A letter from a Muslim
Dear Ali Sina,
I have first encountered your blog in 2008 i suppose and i was pursuing my bachelors at that time. As a muslim i was naive to the obligations, practices and requirements to practice my religion as it was never imposed by my family on me. So out of inquisitiveness i used to gain knowledge in islam and also used to check on other religion too to know and feed my conscience with good things. At that time i found your website quite hurtful and offensive to me and my faith but i always never got convinced by your claims as without being a bigot which i could never be at such small age my heart never got agree on your information. i never hated you only got upset. I always used to think to contact you to ask as why you have taken the pain to reveal the atrocities in islam and why muslims can’t be as good as you want to be. I revisited your site 10 days back on the pretext of questioning the divine decision i have faced unexpectedly by GOD. I lost my father this January and i am totally broken and feel strange on this decision of Allah as i was on waiting list for many good things to come in my life during my father’s presence. My father was a true spiritual person who never hated anybody, forgave everyone by whom he had been harmed, was very patient, bearable, shy and god fearing kind of person, kind and harmless. But for him his god was Allah And his messengers he believed in Quran and its words and he returned with this faith to the creator. He was indeed influenced by his religion for who he was.
I personally feels and got to know your state of mind in experiencing yourself as a human being through many of your articles which was surely lacking at that old time like you learned purpose of life by NDE, you believe in love, kindness, justice, forgiveness which shows that your conscience is good warm and aware however i feel sad when you lack these features of yours to curse your pre identity i. e. you were muslim before. I believed that its you who have changed your conscience and not the religion which has brought all these changes in you. You are more aware knows the truth understand how things work in this world and what our eternal life holds but i promise you that your this enlightenment was possible as being a muslim also. You and I will return to same Almighty surely and will get the report on our lives.
What i want to say that like you and me, everyone looks up to God in its own way, in its own level of understanding and acts as he perceives just the difference is that some gets truly enlightened while some gets mislead but this has nothing to do with doctrines books and commandments. it is something inside of human by which he acts and behaves. Being in Islam does not render any person cruel or good its conscience and subconscious fear of the creator.
I feel immensely bad when you challenge muslims, excite the Islamic scholars to bring their truth which you will not accept as you feels you are clear by your side and they think maybe you really honestly want to refresh your faith. Dear Ali you know it all your intentions, maybe we muslims are also right just like you, egoistical tendency is a human nature one should not hurt you by their words or behavior but tell me aren’t you doing the same thing? you are practicing goodness and awareness in your mind but at the same time you are hurting others believe, infuriating them, abusing them, there are many who lives their life by following good side of Prophet Mohammad and all the good attributes of Allah as mentioned in Quran so why abuse them, why challenge them, what will be achieved by this?
So if your purpose of life is this then may be you are also not liberal as others. I think it has been more than 10 years you have been into this but what have you achieved from this part of life as far. Just know the truth, live you’re really well in a way you want to be and leave rest up to the creator for you are not even your own. You are his property and viceroy on earth
At the end i do say everything looks upside down when you question your existence. The meaning of it and relation with God must therefore be sought in most unbiased and unprejudiced way. I hope we pass this life with such wisdom
Will be very happy to have a say from you
be happy may God guides you and protect your humaneness
regards
Dear Shehla,
It is my belief that good and evil people are born in equal proportions among all the nations. Yet, we cannot deny that beliefs play a crucial role in the way humans behave. Is this not the very premise behind religions? Don’t religions claim that they have a plan to make people better, more just, more honest, more caring and more ethical? What is the point of following a religion if not to become a better person?
Let us say someone has done you some wrong. He/she has violated your right, abused you and victimized you. You want justice. But that’s not happening. It’s natural for you to seek revenge. Someone should right this wrong, you say, and if no one will do it you want to take the matter in your own hands. That, in your opinion is equitable and just. If you believe in a religion that tell you to take an eye for an eye, there is nothing that would stop you. If you can take your revenge and avoid the law, you will have all the reason to make the person whom you believe has harmed you pay for his transgression. Your god approves it. So, why not?
The problem is that often one is not a fair minded judge when it comes to their own case. People tend to give themselves rights that they do not actually have. They often feel victimized when the victimization is only imagined. So if you follow the eye for an eye law you will harm an innocent person based on your faulty judgement and false sense of victimhood. For example, you wrote my website is quite hurtful and offensive to you and to your faith. That is a fictitious sense of victimhood. All Muslims find my words and the words of anyone who criticizes Islam offensive. They feel hurt and when they can, as in the famous case of Charlie Hebdo, they murder to take their revenge, while at the same time, think of themselves as victims.
Why so many Muslims gravitate to violence and engage in acts of terrorism? In the last 17 years alone several millions of people, Muslim and non-Muslim, have been killed by Muslims in the name of Islam. The site thereligionofpeace.com keeps a tab on Islamic terrorism and have compiled over 32,550 deadly acts of terrorism by Muslims since 9/11 alone. This is only what is reported in the media. Most of the violence in Islamic countries is not reported because the victims fear going to authorities who are also Muslims.
Yesterday, I received an email from a lady in Pakistan. This person who wanted her email to remain confidential said that she and her husband left Islam a decade ago. The word got around and not only their family disowned them their neighbors have started a relentless campaign of persecution and molestation against them. They fear for their lives and the lives of their small children. They are no longer considered human beings. Their children fear going to school and being accosted by other students and even teachers. Their Muslim neighbors throw rubbish in front of their house. She says she contacted many NGOs. But in Islamic countries these organizations are staffed and run by Muslims who are sympathetic to their abusers and their cries have fallen on deaf ears. They live in constant state of fear. Sometimes stones are thrown at their door and windows. The children cannot play in the streets or ride bikes for the fear of being beaten by other kids. Their 13 years old daughter is mocked when she goes out, is taunted as kafir and Muslim boys tease her. This woman says she is at the verge of suicide and is contemplating to take her children with herself too.
Her desperation is palpable in her closing words: “Mr. Sina, are you waiting for us to be killed so you do something? I have not written back to her because I don’t know what to tell her. What can I do for them? I feel their pain in my soul. I weep at their plight. But none of that is of any avail to this family.
This is hurt. This is persecution. And you claim to be hurt by my words? Just words? Really? You are not bothered how Muslims persecute innocent people and if not they approve it, but feel offended by mere words? Muslims think one who offends their petal delicate religious sensitivity deserves to die, but are not offended by countless Islamic terrorism done in the name of their god and prophet. Muslims murder, Muslims blow up bodies, Muslims rape, Muslims plunder, Muslims persecute, Muslims abuse, Muslims discriminate, Muslims commit all sorts of atrocities and none of that is offensive. But they are deeply offended if someone reveals the ugly truth about their cherished faith and their pedophile prophet. If words are offensive, relief is one click away. No one is forcing Muslims to read words that they find offensive. They are offended because others may read them and may find the truth about Islam that they want to keep hidden. It is the truth that is offensive to Muslims. If my words offend you, don’t read them. If truth is hurtful keep your head deep in the sand. You have the option to stop your imaginary pain. But the above mentioned Pakistani woman and millions of non-Muslims living in Islamic lands don’t have that option. Their pain is real.
Not all Muslims are murderers and rapists. But all who follow Muhammad are murderers and rapists. Sadly, this is a big number. Those who throw garbage at our ex-Muslim family are ordinary Muslims. They are very much like you. “Peaceful Muslims!” This is the only way to become a true Muslim. A true Muslims takes part in Jihad, fights with his body and wealth, kills and gets killed and if he can’t fight in person he pays zakat so others can wage jihad in his name. Do you honestly believe that Islam has nothing to do with these killings?
Asma bint Marwan was a Jewish poet living in Yathrib. The city was founded by the Jews 2000 years before Islam. About 180 years before Muhammad arriving at that town a group of Arabs from Yemen, whose houses had been damaged by a big flood had come there as refugees. In less than two centuries, the refugees had outnumbered the locals. When Muhammad came he divided people and set his Arab followers against the Jews. He banished some and massacred others. Asma was one of his first victims. Her crime was to compose a poem lamenting the stupidity of her township for allowing a foreigner divide the people and make them hate one another. Muhammad asked “who will relieve me from her who has hurt Allah and his messenger.” An Arab who was familial with Asma volunteered. He entered her house in the middle of the night and drove his dagger in her chest while her five children, including a baby were sleeping next to her. Asma’s case is not the only assassination ordered by Muhammad. Several people were assassinated because Muhammad was offended by their words.
So, if you are offended by my words and probably think, if killed by a Muslim, I deserved it, it is because of the influence of your prophet on your ethical values. Muslims become terrorist by millions because of their belief in Muhammad. According to some estimates, since its inception, the petal sensitive perpetually offended Muslims have killed over 280 million people all over the world. This estimate does not take into account number of Muslims killed by other Muslims.
Beliefs matter. If you believe in a religion that says, forgive other people’s transgressions so yours are forgiven by your heavenly Father, as was stressed by Christ (Matthew 6:15, Mark 11:26), it is likely that you become a forgiving person. If you believe in a religion that tells you to murder those who disbelieve and be harsh with them (Quran 9:123) or do not make friends with unbelievers even if they are your father and brothers (Q. 3:28), it is likely that you become a hateful person, abusing innocent people like the above mentioned Pakistani family or millions of other victims of Islam.
As for your father’s fate it is my belief that God will not send people to hell only because they are born in the wrong society and wrong religion. I believe He judges people by their actions. My grandmother was born a Muslim but did not live like a Muslim. She did not hate anyone. Did not think the kafir are najis. Did not think non-Muslims should be killed. She chanted the Quran daily without understanding a word of it. I am sure she would have been aghast had she known the meaning of those verses. While calling herself a Muslim she lived a Christian life. If God is just He would not send my grandma to hell because she was born in a wrong part of the world. I’d say the same about your father or any Muslim. I don’t think God will send all Muslims to hell. That would be unjust and an unjust God is not worthy of worship. But if Muslims follow Muhammad and do what he did, they will go to hell. Anything else would be injustice.
An example can clarify my point. It is a fact that smoking contributes to lung cancer. Does it mean that all smokers will develop lung cancer, or that all non-smokers are immune to it? Of course not! However, it is undeniable that smokers have a higher chance of developing lung cancer. Likewise, not all Muslims will go to hell and not all Christians are saved from hell. But it is a fact that by following Muhammad, Muslims are more likely to end up in hell. You cannot go about murdering, mistreating and raping people and expect to go to heaven,. What is more likely? That God is a crazy psychopath or that Muhammad was a liar? You decide.
I hope your father did not follow Muhammad. But there is nothing we can do for the dead. Their fate is in the hands of God. We have to worry about the living and particularly about our own selves. Even though my words offend you, if you open your ears and mind and listen to what I say, they can save your soul. If you follow Muhammad and Allah, you will meet both in hell. You can pray for your father. But his chance to redeem himself is over. You need to worry about your own soul. We never know when our time comes. Don’t go in ignorance. You have read my articles and I made my book available for free. You can no longer plead Ignorance. If your father didn’t make it to heaven, he may have some chance if you make it. If you shun the truth and end up in hell, both of you lose your chances.
Truth is not difficult to find. See who preaches love and who preaches hate. The message of Muhammad is that of hate, of killing, of fighting, of murdering, of cursing. The message of Jesus is that of love, of forgiveness. This is an easy test. If you fail, don’t think your excuses will fool God. If you choose hate over love be prepared for the consequence. We are created to love and Muslims have chosen the opposite fooling themselves with some stupid claims that the Quran contains miracles, so silly that is laughable. But they will stop laughing in the moment of their death.
I read over a thousand stories of NDE. Those who went to heaven describe an infinite bliss. Those who went to hell say they felt unbounded fear. Watch this video of Ahmad Deedat in the moment of his death. Is he about to enter heaven or hell? This man promoted Islam and misled millions. Millions of Muslims turned to terrorism after he convinced them that Islam is from God. He is responsible for all those deaths. Zakir Naik will follow him and so most, if not all mullahs. All Muslims will not go to hell, but it is hard to follow the Devil and go to heaven.
Martin wrote “After reading all Steve’s comments that you sent me, Steve is similar to Ali Sina. Perhaps he is Alisina himself. He just pretended as not a Christian when he knocked out by Hakan with all Bibble verses. Alisina is a cunning person because he uses his kafiir side of himself.”
1)I am not Ali Sina.
2) There are plenty of Christians on this site if you want to discuss issues related to Christianity.
3)I have shown your/Hakans interpretation to have no basis in Islamic theology. Hakan says the basis is the koran and the sunnah. Yet those sources clearly say a) A kufaar is a disbeliever in Islam. b) Kufaars are to killed, terrorised, humiliated and subdued until Islam is dominate. c) No other religion apart from Islam is acceptable to Allah and all kufaars will be going to hell fire. d) The Muslims are obligated to obey Muhammed and follow his example for all times. (Such as the prayer rituals or growing the beard and trimming the moustache). Any Muslim who denies this is himself a kuffar.
This is continuation from the Blogger…
WANTED:
I am looking for Ali Sina’s address. For anyone, the readers of this website, who can give me the real and the correct full address information of Ali Sina, I will divide the prize of US$ 10,000 for him/her after my demands succeed. It is confidential, I will not open the informer name to anyone. Please send information to my email address: [email protected]
Instead of debating anyone here in this useless website, I would like to ask Alisina to deny everything that I have sent to him.
The Chronology:
1. In debate with Alisina at http://www.alisina.org he suddenly pretended that his website was hacked by a stranger. Until now he has not denied my argument in the discussion. The debate can be read in this link:
http://alisinatheliar.blogspot.co.id/2016/
Please ask the Unknown scholar to read the above link carefully. He will find which one the “clear book” (5:15) “easy to understand” (44:58 , 54:22 , 54:32, 54:40) “explained in detail” (6:114), “conveyed clearly”, (5:16, 10:15) and with “no doubt” in it (2:1). All are inside of his heart. This book called by us as “concience”. When he lie to his wife or to his husband, his “clear book” will admonish him/her that “Hi the Unknown scholar, you are lie…”. The one who admonish him by whispering kindness every time is “easy to understand, explain in detail, conveyed clearly and no doubt”. If he does not believe it, means he does not believe himself. The question, is his concience still clear or still no doubt? If the answer is no, means the unbelievers (kuffar) who always using carnal desires and whispering evil everytime already covered his diamond of heart.
2. At that time I asked Alisina to drop all his charges to fulfil his promising because he lost the debate. He said that he would send a video. The video is about an ex Muslim asking one verse in Al-Quran that should be answered by me first. Then I explained and denied the video as well as denied the bad issue of slavery in Islam. My denial can be seen at the blog address below:
http://alisinatheliar.blogspot.com/2018/01/normal-0-false-false-false-in-x-none-ar.html
3. But after that he still argued, then he asked me to refute his e-book as thick as 312 pages titled “Understanding Muhammad and Muslims”. I have made a 402 pages e-book and have sent it to him more than a month ago. In the rebuttal of this book, I open up all his trickery and rottenness in his book. He is an unfair scholar, for example deliberately cutting off the contents of hadiths or deliberately not quoting additional hadiths explain the same case or misinterpretation of Qur’anic verses.
4. After I sent him e-book of rebuttal, I asked him persuasively to pay the reward that he promised according to his ability, just to prove that he has accepted my denial. But he replied that I was delusional. If I delusional then please refute my e-book, please deny one by one of the issues that I reverted to him. I have submitted all documents to my lawyer in Canada. I will not report regarding blasphemy issue but I will report it regarding an online deceit issue. He had promised a $ 50,000 reward but it turned out to be a planned fraudulent. He becomes deceiver. I will demand it $ 50,000 + $ 50,000. No more persuasive negotiations, once my report submitted into Canada’s police.
This is from the blogger….
Dear Martin,
After reading all Steve’s comments that you sent me, Steve is similar to Ali Sina. Perhaps he is Alisina himself. He just pretended as not a Christian when he knocked out by Hakan with all Bibble verses. Alisina is a cunning person because he uses his kafiir side of himself.
The other Muslim commentator said
” you will not be able to make him understand because his heart has been closed, his hearing has been deaf and his eyes have been blinded based on Quran al-Baqarah 2:18 & 2: 117″
In other words this person was calling me a kuffar. As the Koran says “Allah has set a seal upon their hearts and upon their hearing, and over their vision is a veil. And for them is a great punishment.” (2.7) Who is Your God talking about? He is talking about disbelievers (kuffars) like me as correctly stated by Pasompe.
“I have many evidences to show you that the unbeliever in Al-Quran is not appoint to outside of our selves……” And I have shown you plenty of evidence that disbelievers in Islam are kuffar and even another Muslim calls me a disbeliever who Allah has set a seal over my heart, and made me deaf and blind to the “truth” of Islam. And yet you still repeat your nonsense.
“You only always say “no basis” and “nonsense”. I think there something wrong in the way you thinking. Do you know what the meaning “basis”. Base or foundation. Base or foundation of Islam is Quran and sunnah. But you are illiterate to understand what is Quran and sunnah. You think the basis of Islam is interpretation of scholar. Non sense…you are the non sense Steve by not using your mind….are you realize?” Got it you believe you understand the Koran and sunnah better than the scholars, the companions of Muhammad and Muhammad himself? Whose opinion of mental illness is more valid a certified psychologists or a witch doctors? No doubt in that case you would say the professional who is an expert on mental illness but when it comes to your religion you think you know more than all the experts but in reality your opinion is no more valid and no more interesting than a witch doctors opinion of mental illness.
Steve you quote this…. (And whom Allah has placed a seal on their heart?)…. This is the evidence that you didn’t read the writing of the Blogger. This is what the blogger wrote down:
…….Please see verse 64:2 of Al-Quran “It is He who created you, and among you is the disbeliever, and among you is the believer. And Allah , of what you do, is Seeing.” In this verse, “among you” is actually between you or between your single body. It is not “among you all”. Inside of your body there is the believer and there is the unbeliever. It is not appoint to outside but inward of all of us, one by one body of the all humankind in the world; there is an infidel creates by the God from the beginning starting when your mother has a pregnancy. In another side there is a virtue creates by the God begins when He breathed the spirit (soul) into us in the mother’s womb. The infidel with our body will beback to cemetery and the virtue with spirit will back to the God when the time comes. Our body comes from our parents and the spirit comes from our God, from the same God!
What is the evidence that the word unbeliever not appoint to outward? Please see 2:6 of Al-Quran: Indeed, those who disbelieve – it is all the same for them whether you warn them or do not warn them – they will not believe. If we use this verse and have a perception that the unbeliever is outside (let say outside is a Christian), there will be no Christian apostate and move to Islam because you warn or not the Christian will not believe. In fact, there are so many Christian apostate and believe Islam. I have many evidences to show you that the unbeliever in Al-Quran is not appoint to outside of our selves……
Please see the complete writing in this link:
http://alisinatheliar.blogspot.co.id/2016/
and also this link:
http://alisinatheliar.blogspot.co.id/2018/01/who-is-deafer-dumber-and-blinder-than.html
You only always say “no basis” and “nonsense”. I think there something wrong in the way you thinking. Do you know what the meaning “basis”. Base or foundation. Base or foundation of Islam is Quran and sunnah. But you are illiterate to understand what is Quran and sunnah. You think the basis of Islam is interpretation of scholar. Non sense…you are the non sense Steve by not using your mind….are you realize?
I thought you were just delirious…..
Hakan
“Your knowledge is still not enough to understand that the rocks can do anything. Based on the Bible, the rocks can cry out and can singing and trees can clap their hands” So not only are rocks conscious and have a will but now they are also omnipotent (rocks can do anything) brilliant! I am surprised you didn’t try to give these verses a “spiritual” interpretation. Rocks falling down for fear of Allah no problem completely literal. Humiliating, subduing and terrorising the kuffar in order to make Islam dominant nah can’t be literal it must be speaking about terrorising the evil inside yourself, makes total sense!
Pasompe
“you will not be able to make him understand because his heart has been closed, his hearing has been deaf and his eyes have been blinded based on Quran al-Baqarah 2:18 & 2: 117” Ah so a kuffar is indeed a person who does not accept Islam is true? (And whom Allah has placed a seal on their heart?) Thanks for confirming Hakan and the author of “Ali sina the liar” blog are talking nonsense.
Steve,
Your knowledge is still not enough to understand that the rocks can do anything. Based on the Bible, the rocks can cry out and can singing and trees can clap their hands
Luke 19:40
“He answered, “I tell you, if these were silent, the very stones would cry out.””
Isaiah 55:12
“For you shall go out in joy and be led forth in peace; the mountains and the hills before you shall break forth into singing, and all the trees of the field shall clap their hands.”
Habakkuk 2:11
“For the stone will cry out from the wall, and the beam from the woodwork respond.”
Hakan, you will not be able to make him understand because his heart has been closed, his hearing has been deaf and his eyes have been blinded based on Quran al-Baqarah 2:18 & 2: 117
“The mushaf is the explanation of the real Quran and real verses….The blogger already informed us but you were no open your heart in reading it, instead you only open your lust….” Okay explain these verses? Are they talking about lack of conscience or disbelief in Allah and Muhammad? Once again you think you and the author of the blog “Ali sina the liar” understand the Koran better than the scholars, the companions of Muhammad and Muhammad himself. According to muslim scholars you yourself are a kuffar and since Muslims don’t care about your opinion why do you think non Muslims will?
“Has there not come to you the news of those who disbelieved before? So they tasted the bad consequence of their affair, and they will have a painful punishment.’ (64.5)
“That is because their messengers used to come to them with clear evidences, but they said, “Shall human beings guide us?” and disbelieved and turned away. And Allah dispensed [with them]; and Allah is Free of need and Praiseworthy.” (64.6)
“Those who disbelieve have claimed that they will never be resurrected. Say, “Yes, by my Lord, you will surely be resurrected; then you will surely be informed of what you did. And that, for Allah, is easy.” (64.7)
“So believe in Allah and His Messenger and the Qur’an which We have sent down. And Allah is Acquainted with what you do.” (64.8)
But the ones who disbelieved and denied Our verses – those are the companions of the Fire, abiding eternally therein; and wretched is the destination. (64.10)
“You are only able to make a sentence of a writing similar with the sentence of writing in the mushaf/book of the Quran.” The Koran says rocks and the heavens have a will this is absurd nonsense.
ha ha ha Steve..you really didn’t get the essence…you are far away friend……the conscience is the verse itself, the real verse from our GOD. That is why the Quran says even you collect all of your allies you will no be able to make one surah the same with the Quran. Even one verse you will not be able to create it. Even you take one ocean water, plus one ocean again will not sufficient to be the ink in writing (in make it) the (real) verses. You are only able to make a sentence of a writing similar with the sentence of writing in the mushaf/book of the Quran. The mushaf is the explanation of the real Quran and real verses….The blogger already informed us but you were no open your heart in reading it, instead you only open your lust….
Hakan
” If the answer is “singular” means you should follow my view that kafir is inward of our body not point outside to Christian or to Jews or to free thinker etc. If there is effect of kafiir to all of them it is another story not because the Quran purposely point to them. If the answer is “plural” means you are the correct one. Please tell me the result of your research to my email:[email protected]” It doesn’t matter if that verse is talking about “inner kuffar” it doesn’t change the fact that kuffar means disbelief (in Allah and his messenger and NOT acting without conscience). And Christians, Jews, free thinkers etc are kuffar. These verses following 64.2 are clearly talking about people who disbelieve in Allah and his messenger and NOT people who do not follow their conscience.
“Has there not come to you the news of those who disbelieved before? So they tasted the bad consequence of their affair, and they will have a painful punishment.’ (64.5)
“That is because their messengers used to come to them with clear evidences, but they said, “Shall human beings guide us?” and disbelieved and turned away. And Allah dispensed [with them]; and Allah is Free of need and Praiseworthy.” (64.6)
“Those who disbelieve have claimed that they will never be resurrected. Say, “Yes, by my Lord, you will surely be resurrected; then you will surely be informed of what you did. And that, for Allah, is easy.” (64.7)
“So believe in Allah and His Messenger and the Qur’an which We have sent down. And Allah is Acquainted with what you do.” (64.8)
But the ones who disbelieved and denied Our verses – those are the companions of the Fire, abiding eternally therein; and wretched is the destination. (64.10)
What mental gymnastics will you try to do to claim these verses are talking about people not following their conscience?
But of course you will not try as you have already given up and I have shown your interpretation of what kuffar means has no basis in Islamic theology.
No wonder…but just for closing statement. What ever you say in your comment about kafir and kuffar you must know that the basis of word kafir is from the Quran 64:2. Kafir is inward of your body and not point to outside. Kafir and also Mukmin is no gender identity but inside of Male and Female body. The gender identity is the casing/the body of you. There is no gender identity on our soul. The evidence that Kafiir and Mukmin is inward that mention in the Quran 64:2 is a hadith “abdin fi qolbul mukminin” (My servant in their heart is called Mukminin) If the God point to outside He will mention as “Male Kafiir or Female Kafiir”. You can find this term in the Quran but how you can find if you are not learn it. I think you are not able to learn it as integrated understanding. So there is no value to continue our discussion.
Just to make you sure, If you are able to ask the Arabic expert language please ask this question:
Please give an advice about the meaning of Verse 64:2 in the Quran. Especially word “faminkum kafirun wa minkum mukminun”. is the word “KUM” (from “faminKUM” and from “minKUM”) singular (you) or plural (all of you)?
If the answer is “singular” means you should follow my view that kafir is inward of our body not point outside to Christian or to Jews or to free thinker etc. If there is effect of kafiir to all of them it is another story not because the Quran purposely point to them. If the answer is “plural” means you are the correct one. Please tell me the result of your research to my email:[email protected]
At least I have told you…. your way is up to you….
Hakan
“Your reason is very weak.” Really? That’s why you didn’t refute anything I said? And in fact your link confirms what I was saying. (That Islam (submission to Allah) is the way of life Muslims must adopt by complying with divine law (Quran and sunnah). If the faculty of conscience was sufficient and anyone could go to paradise, Allah wouldn’t need to send Muhammad to all mankind with laws and instructions about how to live and disbelievers wouldn’t have to be fought, terrorised and killed.
“You even didn’t answer my question in the last sentence of my comment” 1) I am not a Christian. 2) Jews (and some Christians) don’t believe in the concept of trinity but they are still classed as kuffar and mushrikeen. “The kaafir is the one who denies and conceals the truth. The basic meaning of the word kufr in Arabic is concealment. Shirk means devoting worship to anyone or anything other than Allaah.
Kufr may take the form of denying and rejecting, but the mushrik may also believe in Allaah. This is the difference between the mushrik and the kaafir.
Each word may also carry the meaning of the other, so the word kufr may be used in the sense of shirk, and the word shirk may be used in the sense of kufr.
Here Allaah calls the kuffaar kuffaar, and He calls them mushrikeen. This indicates that a kaafir may be called a mushrik and a mushrik may be called a kaafir. There are many similar verses and ahaadeeth.”
https://islamqa.info/en/67626
So a Jew for example who believes in one God is a kuffar and mushrikeen. Why? Because he is disbelieving in Muhammad and is believing in false doctrines which means he is worshipping someone or something else besides Allah so he is still classed as a kuffar (and mushrikeen) for this reason.
You seem like reading (or hearing) something to reply not to understand first. Your reason is very weak. You even didn’t answer my question in the last sentence of my comment…. My suggestion, please read, ponder and consider first about what I have conveyed to you. Since we all are looking for a real truth, do not be shy to admit the truth if any, at least admit it in your heart because your heart can not lie…
Hakan
“I think you should collect all scholars of Arabic to get a real translation of the meaning “dien”. ” This is what the Wikipedia article you linked says “The term is loosely associated with religion, but in the Qur’an, it means the way of life in which righteous Muslims must adopt to comply with divine law (Quran and sunnah), or Shari’a, and to the divine judgment or recompense to which all humanity must inevitably face without intercessors before God”. Isn’t this exactly the same thing the scholar I quoted said? Indeed it is so this confirms what I said and confirms that you don’t know what you are talking about.
” Which one is true Jews?” According to Muhammad the ones who believe he is the last and final messenger of Allah all the others are kuffar and Allah has cursed them.
You agree Christians are kuffar and didn’t Muhammad say their books have been corrupted and the original message of Jesus lost? If so all present day Christians are kuffar.
So what are disagreeing with? Your claim that other religions are valid has no basis in Islamic theology.
To STEVE:
Steve comment:
Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“And whoever seeks a religion other than Islam, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers” [Aal ‘Imraan 3:85]
“Say (O Muhammad): “O mankind! Verily, I am sent to you all as the Messenger of Allaah” [al-A’raaf 7:158]
Al-Qaadi ‘Ayyaad said: hence we regard as a kaafir everyone who follows a religion other than the religion of the Muslims, or who agrees with them, or who has doubts, or who says that their way is correct, even if he appears to be a Muslim and believes in Islam and that every other way is false, he is a kaafir
My comment:
I think you should collect all scholars of Arabic to get a real translation of the meaning “dien”. Dienul Islam is “stand or the way to be followed for salvation”, a universal term,whether you claim yourself as Muslim, or Christian or Jewish, you all need Dienul Islam. There are only two ways in this world: “Dienul Islam” and “dienulsatan” Dienul satan is kuffar, the way for not salvation. To translate “dien” with religion you will mixup it with you think religion of Christian and Jews. You should know that at the time of Prophet Isa also dien of Islam = the way of life for salvation = Christian = Messiah. It is just different language.
See this link to get a wide sight, Steve:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Din_(Arabic)
The opinion about the meaning of dien in the above link is a collection of many scholars.
Steve comment:
Whoever says that the Jews are not kaafirs is disbelieving in the words of Allaah (interpretation of the meanings):
“And their hearts absorbed (the worship of) the calf because of their disbelief” [al-Baqarah 2:93]
My comment:
Please see carefully the Quran 2:92 – 93, is it true that the Jews were not worship to the God the creator of the universe but they were worship calves? Or with other words, Which one is true Jews? The one who worship the God of the universe or the one who worship calves?
Steve is very funny, guys…..
Steve’s comment:
Whoever says that the Christians are not kuffaar is disbelieving in the words of Allaah (interpretation of the meanings):
“Surely, in disbelief are they who say that Allaah is the Messiah, son of Maryam (Mary)…” [al-Maa’idah 5:17]
“Surely, disbelievers are those who said: “Allaah is the third of the three (in a Trinity).” But there is no Ilaah (god) (none who has the right to be worshipped) but One Ilaah (God —Allâh). And if they cease not from what they say, verily, a painful torment will befall on the disbelievers among them” [al-Maa’idah 5:73]
My comment:
There are a lot of evidences from the Bible itself saying that Jesus is not God, not a son of God and the God is not the third of the three (in a Trinity). How then who claim themselves as Christian changed their faith?
Let see all the verses in Bible below:
Jesus firmly says that he is not a God:
• John 20:17 “Jesus said to her, “Do not cling to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.”
Jesus wanted to say that the Father is the father of Jesus and the father of all of us. The true God is the God of Jesus and the God of all of us. Jesus is not the God. He is the son of God but we also the son of God. There is nothing special that the son of God is part of the God in trinity.
• John 8:54 “Jesus answered, “If I glorify myself, my glory is nothing. It is my Father who glorifies me, of whom you say, ‘He is our God.”
Only God is able to glorify Jesus. Jesus was not able to glorify himself, means he is not a God. He even said “He is our God”.
• Matthew, 18:19 “Again I say to you, if two of you agree on earth about anything they ask, it will be done for them by my Father in heaven..”
He is not appointed to himself as a god. He appointed the God in paradise.
• Matthew 7:21 ““Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.”
Jesus emphatically says that God is the One God / One (not three), the God of Jesus and the God of the universe:
• Matthew, 4:10 “Then Jesus said to him, “Be gone, Satan! For it is written, “‘You shall worship the Lord your God and him only shall you serve.
• Mark, 12:29 “Jesus answered, “The most important is, ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.”
• Mark 12:32 “And the scribe said to him, “You are right, Teacher. You have truly said that he is one, and there is no other besides him.”
• Luke 10:21 “In that same hour he rejoiced in the Holy Spirit and said, “I thank you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that you have hidden these things from the wise and understanding and revealed them to little children; yes, Father, for such was your gracious will.”
• John 5:44 “How can you believe, when you receive glory from one another and do not seek the glory that comes from the only God?”
• John, 17:3 “And this is eternal life, that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent.”
• Deuteronomy 4:35 “To you it was shown, that you might know that the Lord is God; there is no other besides him.”
• Deuteronomy 6:4 “Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.”
• Isaiah 46: 9 “remember the former things of old; for I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me,”
Jesus says that he is only an Apostle / Prophet / messenger of God / leader:
• John 12:49 “For I have not spoken on my own authority, but the Father who sent me has himself given me a commandment—what to say and what to speak..”
Jesus = messenger of God not a god in trinity
• Matthew 15:24-26 “He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”
Jesus = messenger of God.
• John 17:3 “And this is eternal life, that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent.”
Jesus = Apostle of God
• And many more Bible mentioning that Jesus is apostle or prophet or instructor/teacher. Please see Matthew 10:40, 23:10, Mark 6:4-6, Luke 4:18, 4:24, 4:43, 7:16, 7:39 , 9:48, 10:16, John 4:34, 4:44, 4:19, 6:38-39, 6:57, 7:16, 7:33, 8:18, 8:29, 9:4, 11:42, 17:6-9
• Jesus only servant Matthew 12:17 and Acts 4:27
All Bible propositions show that Jesus is not a God, God is not trinity and Jesus is the apostle of God and he is not a god. This is similar to the Quranic verse (5:17 & 5:73) that Steve quoted above in his comment. Then why there is an understanding of trinity (something that is difficult to explain logically). Perhaps in his journey the Bible experiences additions and changes by the human hands influenced by lusts (kuffar). If not then the Bible verses contradict each other. That means the current Bible is not a sacred book of the prophet Isa (Jesus)??
Does Steve want more evidences that Jesus is not God, not Son of God as part of God in trinity, read these scholars on the links below:
http://www.the-gospel-truth.info/bible-teachings/god-unity-or-trinity/
http://www.thedeenshow.com/90-verses-that-say-jesus-is-not-god-nor-the-literal-son-of-god/
http://www.answering-christianity.com/sami_zaatri/10_reasons_jesus_not_god.htm
Steve comment:
This scholar presents evidence from Islamic texts to support his opinion. Hakan has presented no evidence to support his interpretation therefore he is deluded and his opinion is based on nothing but his own imagination.
My comment:
Are you still wanting to dodge Steve? These are clear evidences from the Bible, without the need for another perception because its meaning is very clear and bright. Now my question, If you are a Christian, with the above facts of the Bible, which one you will believe: the Bible or Christian scholar/priest that guides you on opinion that Jesus is God and Son of God as part of three in trinity? Answer this question and we will get a clear picture about you, whether you are a logic man or a deluded man?
Hopiing you get a right way Steve…..and hoping you all my brother from one father in heaven will get salvation…
“When you just quote a piece of ayah Quran al-Tawbah 9:32-33 make us wrong perception, then he added on ayah 34 as an integrated and make us get a full understanding that not all Christian and Jews are kafiir….” Okay here is evidence from the Koran and Hadith presented by a Islamic scholar that the Jews and Christians are kuffar and any Muslim who denies this is himself a kuffar.
https://islamqa.info/en/6688
“Yes, this is correct. Whoever is not convinced that the person who disbelieves in the religion of Allaah is a kaafir, does not believe what Allaah has told us about their being kaafirs, and he does not believe that the religion of Islam abrogates all previous religions and that all people must follow this religion no matter what their religion was before.
Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“And whoever seeks a religion other than Islam, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers” [Aal ‘Imraan 3:85]
“Say (O Muhammad): “O mankind! Verily, I am sent to you all as the Messenger of Allaah” [al-A’raaf 7:158]
Al-Qaadi ‘Ayyaad said: hence we regard as a kaafir everyone who follows a religion other than the religion of the Muslims, or who agrees with them, or who has doubts, or who says that their way is correct, even if he appears to be a Muslim and believes in Islam and that every other way is false, he is a kaafir
“It was reported from Abu Hurayrag that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “By the One is Whose hand is the soul of Muhammad, not one of this nation, Jew or Christian, will hear of me and will die without having believed in that with which I have been sent, but he will be one of the dwellers of Hell fire.”
(Narrated by Muslim, 153)”
Whoever says that the Jews are not kaafirs is disbelieving in the words of Allaah (interpretation of the meanings):
“And their hearts absorbed (the worship of) the calf because of their disbelief” [al-Baqarah 2:93]
“Among those who are Jews, there are some who displace words from (their) right places and say: “We hear your word (O Muhammad) and disobey,” and “Hear and let you (O Muhammad) hear nothing.” And Raa‘ina [in Arabic it means “Be careful, listen to us, and we listen to you”, whereas in Hebrew, it means “an insult”] with a twist of their tongues and as a mockery of the religion (Islâm). And if only they had said: “We hear and obey”, and “Do make us understand,” it would have been better for them, and more proper; but Allaah has cursed them for their disbelief…” [al-Nisa’ 4:46]
“Because of their breaking the covenant, and of their rejecting the Ayaat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) of Allaah, and of their killing the Prophets unjustly, and of their saying: “Our hearts are wrapped (with coverings, i.e. we do not understand what the Messengers say)” — nay, Allaah has set a seal upon their hearts because of their disbelief, so they believe not but a little. And because of their (Jews) disbelief and uttering against Maryam (Mary) a grave false charge (that she has committed illegal sexual intercourse); And because of their saying (in boast), “We killed Messiah ‘Eesaa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), the Messenger of Allaah,” — but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but it appeared so to them the resemblance of ‘Eesaa (Jesus) was put over another man (and they killed that man)]…” [al-Nisa’ 4:155-157]
“Verily, those who disbelieve in Allaah and His Messengers and wish to make distinction between Allaah and His Messengers (by believing in Allaah and disbelieving in His Messengers) saying, “We believe in some but reject others,” and wish to adopt a way in between. They are in truth disbelievers. And We have prepared for the disbelievers a humiliating torment” [al-Nisa’ 4:150-151]
Whoever says that the Christians are not kuffaar is disbelieving in the words of Allaah (interpretation of the meanings):
“Surely, in disbelief are they who say that Allaah is the Messiah, son of Maryam (Mary)…” [al-Maa’idah 5:17]
“Surely, disbelievers are those who said: “Allaah is the third of the three (in a Trinity).” But there is no Ilaah (god) (none who has the right to be worshipped) but One Ilaah (God —Allâh). And if they cease not from what they say, verily, a painful torment will befall on the disbelievers among them” [al-Maa’idah 5:73]
And he is disbelieving in the words of Allaah concerning the Jews and Christians who do not believe in our Prophet or follow him:
“Verily, those who disbelieve in Allaah and His Messengers and wish to make distinction between Allaah and His Messengers (by believing in Allaah and disbelieving in His Messengers) saying, “We believe in some but reject others,” and wish to adopt a way in between. They are in truth disbelievers. And We have prepared for the disbelievers a humiliating torment” [al-Nisa’ 4:150-151]
What is there left to say after these clear statements from Allaah, may He be exalted?”
This scholar presents evidence from Islamic texts to support his opinion. Hakan has presented no evidence to support his interpretation therefore he is deluded and his opinion is based on nothing but his own imagination.
I agree with Pasompe
I don’t think so. When you just quote a piece of ayah Quran al-Tawbah 9:32-33 make us wrong perception, then he added on ayah 34 as an integrated and make us get a full understanding that not all Christian and Jews are kafiir….
“which one we will choose if the first scholar just explain the sentence of the knife and another scholar bring us the real object of the knife? His fallacy thinking could not understand your wise explanation.” Hakan is an average person he is not a scholar of Islam, his opinion holds no weight and is based on nothing but his own imagination.
Hakan,
Seems like Steve doesn’t understand what you are saying. He doesn’t catch up that a small kid just a parable. Let say scholar with scholar, which one we will choose if the first scholar just explain the sentence of the knife and another scholar bring us the real object of the knife? His fallacy thinking could not understand your wise explanation.
Hakan
” I would like to ask Steve, of those two people whom Steve trusts more, the Schoolar or the kid? For me I would trust the kid that shows the real object of the knife rather than believe to the scholar.” If you want to know about Quantum mechanics do you ask a little kid or a theoretical physicist? Likewise if you want to know about Islam do you read Islamic texts and how those texts was understood by the early believers (the people who was devoted to Muhammad and knew him personally) and the expert opinion of the scholars or do you listen to some little kid who comes up with a new interpretation which goes against everything Muhammad did and taught and how how his companions understood those teachings and how the scholars interpreted them? I guess a little kids interpretation of Quantum mechanics is also more valid than a theoretical physicists as well according to you?
“Means not all (Jewish) rabbis and the (Christian) monks as kuffar.” If they are Aware of Islam and have rejected it then they are kuffar. And it says many times in the Koran that only Islam is acceptable to Allah – all non Muslims are to pay jizya, convert or be killed. And after they die they go to hell fire for eternity this is made clear in the Koran.
” The kuffar is not pointed to the religion that we know as religions now. The origin followers of Isa were the believers and not the unbelievers.” So you admit modern day Christians and Jews are kuffar then?
“Prayer is by heart and ritual prayer is by body. The one who doing “ritual prayer” but not in “prayer” will get the condition that mention in the Quran 107:4-5.” Muhammad is saying if you (a Muslim) don’t believe in his revelations and examples (such as the prayers) then you are a kuffar.
“Islam is Arabic language means safe or salvation.”1) It means submission (to Allah), 2) To submit and be saved from Allahs wrath you have to follow what Allah and Muhammad ordered.
“Whether you claim yourselves as Christian, Muslims or Jewish only have two choiches; “believer” or “unbeliever”” Yes believe in and obey Allah and his messenger Muhammad. If you don’t believe in Muhammad and what he did and taught then you are a kuffar.
To Steve, responding on your February 20 & 21 reasons……..
Steve wrote:
“You are talking about the truth but you don’t know which one the object of the truth. On the contrary, you so sure debating about the kuffar but you don’t know what actually kuffar.” Remember this is not some shit I have made up out of thin air, I am quoting an Islamic scholar who bases what he says on Islamic texts. Do you think that this blogger knows more about it than a scholar?
My comment:
“Unzhur ilaa maa qoola walaa tanzhur ilaa man qiila” (pay attention to what is said, do not pay attention to who is saying). This is the saying of Ali bin Abi Talib continuing the Hadith of the Prophet “The sentence of wisdom is the weapon of the wise. Wherever he finds it, he is entitled to it “.
Let say, Steve wants to know what exactly a thing called a knife. Here it is assumed that a knife is something that is not yet known in general and Steve has not yet known exactly what a knife is. There are two people who came to him. The first person who come to him to explain about the knife is a scholar. The scholar explains in front of Steve by writing the word “knife” and explains with the words that the knife is a sharp object. The blade is flat and its length is about an inch. He explain about the meaning of the word from any aspects of linguistic and so on. The second person who come to Steve is a little boy. The little boy is carrying only a real object of the knife and the only sentence that come out of his mouth when he hands it over the knife to Steve is “Mr. Steve this is a knife “. I would like to ask Steve, of those two people whom Steve trusts more, the Schoolar or the kid? For me I would trust the kid that shows the real object of the knife rather than believe to the scholar.
Steve wrote:
“The blogger told us that both of them are inside of our body. It’s inward and not outward….his explanation is really surprise but reasonable and based on the Quran….” No his “explanation” is bullshit the Islamic scholar I quoted gave the correct definition. Are these verses and Hadith talking about “inner kuffar” or is it talking about the disbelievers? “Allah says in Soorat al-Tawbah (interpretation of the meaning):
My comment:
Steve, you apparently have not read in detail and attentively what the blogger wrote about “kuffar” but you’ve written this fiery. The worst communication is “reading” or “hearing” something to quickly respond without understanding it first. The blogger actually show us, which is the object of the kuffar and vice versa which is the object of the believer. Both are within the body of each of us. Not pointing out to non-Muslims. Steve, try to check out the Quranic verse below:
The Quran verse 64:2
He it is Who created you, but one of you is a disbeliever and one of you is a believer, and Allah is Seer of what ye do.
Inside of your body, there is a person who is unbeliever and there is a person who is named believer. The name is called according to the nature or deeds. When you as a human do unjust then you are kafir (unbeliever) but when you doing good enforce the truth that is in you then you are a mukmin (believer). Which is the truth? It is in the substance of the soul. The soul is from the God. That substance is what we call concience. This conception that always whispers the truth to us but we like to reject it and then analyze it with the imagination that uses the lust.
Steve wrote
“They (the disbelievers, the Jews and the Christians) want to extinguish Allaah’s Light (with which Muhammad has been sent — Islamic Monotheism) with their mouths, but Allaah will not allow except that His Light should be perfected even though the Kaafiroon (disbelievers) hate (it).
33. It is He Who has sent His Messenger (Muhammad) with guidance and the religion of truth (Islam), to make it superior over all religions even though the Mushrikoon (polytheists, pagans, idolaters, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allaah) hate (it)”
[al-Tawbah 9:32-33]
My comment:
You cited the Quran 9:32-33 but you did not cite the continuation of verse 34:
34. O you who believe! Verily, there are many of the (Jewish) rabbis and the (Christian) monks who devour the wealth of mankind in falsehood, and hinder (them) from the Way of Allah (i.e. Allah’s Religion of Islamic Monotheism). And those who hoard up gold and silver [Al-Kanz: the money, the Zakat of which has not been paid], and spend it not in the Way of Allah, -announce unto them a painful torment.
The verse 34 that I just follow you to cite from translation of Mohsin Khan mentioning that “there are many…” Means not all (Jewish) rabbis and the (Christian) monks as kuffar. In another version of translation also the same. In the era of Prophet Isa (Christian called Isa as son of god or god) there are many of his community as kuffar and there were some not kuffar. It means not all Jewish and Christian are kuffar. The kuffar is not pointed to the religion that we know as religions now. The origin followers of Isa were the believers and not the unbelievers. If you are a Christian you should find the original Christian faith with no addition and modification.
Steve wrote:
Here Allaah calls the kuffaar kuffaar, and He calls them mushrikeen. This indicates that a kaafir may be called a mushrik and a mushrik may be called a kaafir. There are many similar verses and ahaadeeth.
Another example is the hadeeth in which the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Between a man and shirk and kufr there stands his giving up prayer.” Narrated by Muslim in his Saheeh from Jaabir ibn ‘Abd-Allaah (may Allaah be pleased with him). And the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “The covenant that differentiates us from them is prayer; whoever gives it up is a kaafir.” Narrated by Imam Ahmad, Abu Dawood, al-Tirmidhi, al-Nasaa’i and Ibn Maajah with a saheeh isnaad from Buraydah ibn al-Husayb (may Allaah be pleased with him). And Allaah is the Source of strength.”
My comment:
Prophet Isa and his origin followers also have a prayer. Please do not think that there was no prayer at that time. Please do not associate first the prayer with “ritual prayer” of Muslims. Establish prayer means remembering the God by establishing the truth that is in us where the truth comes from the God. This is the understanding of prayer that mentioning in Muslim Hadith that you cited the above. It is not the “rukun shalah” (ritual prayer) that special for Muslims that ordered by Prophet Muhammad after Isra ‘Mi’raj. The context of the hadith you cited about prayer that differentiates kafiir is not “establish the rukun shalah (ritual prayer)” but establish the shalah (prayer) “. The mention of the Quran 20:14 says “aqqimisshalah li dzikri”, establish the prayer. It is not “establish ritual prayer to remember me”. In this case, it is different between prayer and ritual prayer. Prayer is by heart and ritual prayer is by body. The one who doing “ritual prayer” but not in “prayer” will get the condition that mention in the Quran 107:4-5.
Steve wrote:
So clearly a kuffar is one who rejects Islam and its teachings.
My comment:
Yes but you must know first what is Islam actually. Islam is Arabic language means safe or salvation. Islam has four good characteristic; siddiq (trust), amanah (trustworthy), tablig (reminiscent of goodness) and fathanah (wise, smart). This is the same with the characteristic of the Messenger Muhammad. When you use these natures in the side of Allah you will safe (Islam).
The Quran 3:19,
“Truly, the religion with Allah is Islam. Those who were given the Scripture (Jews and Christians) did not differ except, out of mutual jealousy, after knowledge had come to them. And whoever disbelieves in the Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, signs, revelations, etc.) of Allah, then surely, Allah is Swift in calling to account.”
Please be careful on the word “dien” that most of us translate into “religion”. Actually “dien” is “establishment” or “stand”. Actually there are only two standings; with the God and with the lust (satan). Whether you claim yourselves as Christian, Muslims or Jewish only have two choiches; “believer” or “unbeliever”. Do you want me to show you where is the satan is? Firstly, please see the Quran 2:168-169, 4:38, 43:36 & 38, 58:19, 4:60 and then secondly go to the mirror and you will see the real satan, when you angry, when you lie and when you in other influences of the lust.
So when you don’t use your concience with guidanced by the God but wear your lust will with guidanced by the satan, you are kafiir (singular), kuffar (plural).
In the time of Prophet Isa (Jesus) the original followers of him were safed. They were Islam. Are you Christian Steve? Please look for original teaching of Prophet Isa (Jesus) then you are Islam. But unfortunately believing of Christian was version 3 while believing of Islam is version 4, the last version. Steve, do you like the out of dated version or the update version? It is up to you…
The blogger is telling the truth of Islam…….
This message is intended for screen-name Unknown_Scholar:
Many a Muslim college-professor in many parts of the world claim that, prior to invention as well as perfection of both military and commercial aviation by well-renowned American aviators such as Howard Robard Hughes and few others in the 20th century A.D., it was Islam’s founder (i.e., Muhammad the Arabian) who flew all over Middle East and even to the Islamic paradise in a dream-like mental-state by riding on a horse-like flying creature called “Buraq”.
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Answer precisely these 2 mistakes in the Quran.
1- Quran 2: 74 “Then your hearts became hardened after that, being like stones or even harder. For indeed, there are stones from which rivers burst forth, and there are some of them that split open and water comes out, and there are some of them that fall down for fear of Allah. And Allah is not unaware of what you do.”
This verse says that some Rocks fall down for ‘fear of Allah’. Rocks are non-living things, who do not have any emotions like fear. This is a ridiculous, absurd statement in the Quran, which shows that it is the statement of a man with a limited intelligence, and not God. A real God would know that Rocks do not have emotions.
2- Quran 41:11 “Then He directed Himself to the heaven while it was smoke and said to it and to the earth, “Come [into being], willingly or by compulsion.” They said, “We have come willingly.””
This verse says that Heaven and Earth have wills of their own to obey or disobey God. They also talked to God and said “We have come willingly”. Even a little grown-up children will know that non-living beings like the Earth and Heaven cannot have wills of their own, and cannot talk. A real God or even any intelligent man would know that Earth and Heaven do not have emotions.
I am kaffir. Why Muslim hate too much to us?
+Walter
Muslim scholars are very much aware that Islam spread by the sword (and this was commanded by their God and carried out by Muhammad).
https://islamqa.info/en/43087
“We have already stated in question no. 34830 that jihad is of two types: taking the initiative in fighting and jihad in self-defence.
Undoubtedly taking the initiative in fighting has a great effect in spreading Islam and bringing people into the religion of Allaah in crowds. Hence the hearts of the enemies of Islam are filled with fear of jihad.”
“The orientalist Thomas Arnold wrote his book The Preaching of Islam with the aim of killing off the spirit of jihad among the Muslims and proving that Islam was not spread by the sword, rather that it spread by means of peaceful preaching, free from any use of force.
The Muslims fell into the trap that was set up for them. When they heard the orientalists’ accusations that Islam was spread by the sword, they said: You are mistaken, listen to a refutation from one of your own people, this Thomas says such and such.
The defeatists among the Muslims come out to defend Islam, and they want to disavow Islam of this so-called lie, so they deny that Islam was spread by the sword, and they say that jihad is not prescribed in Islam, except in the case of self-defence. There is no such thing in Islam as taking the initiative in fighting in their view. This goes against what the Muslim scholars have stated, let alone the fact that it goes against the Qur’aan and Sunnah.”
Those Muslims (such as those commenting on this article) who claim Islam was not spread by force are ignorant of what their religion teaches and its history.
Since the subject title of the above essay is “A letter from a Muslim” it’s therefore fitting to post my reply send to me by a Muslim who was writing to me as a apologist for Islam. So here it is
To X , Thank you for taking the time to reply to my posting. As for your statement that I had taken verses of violence “out of context” from the Quran .meaning those Quran verse only applied to the hostile pagan and violent disbelievers in the Fourteenth century.
As for the interpretation of the words found in the Quran there are people who many Westerner s call “Moderate Muslims” The “moderate Muslims” view the violent instructions found in the Quran as “Descriptive” as in descriptive of what s to do about the vicious , violent and murdering Pagan in the time of the fourteenth century , the historical viewpoint. In contrast, the interpretation of those who many Westerner call “Radical Muslims” are the Muslims who view the instruction of deadly violence found in the Quran as “prescriptive.” As in what to do in all time and places. It’s not clear that prescriptive interpretation is wrong.
In addition ,point two you keyboarded which is “The Fundamental Quranic principal is that fighting is allowed only in self-defense. And it is against those who actively fight against you.” The reality is that many violent jihadist/Muslims strongly feel that their deadly jihad violence in “self-defense” because of the international polices in the Middle East that the don’t like . Likewise they also detest the influence of the decadence of the West. [The decadence in the West also detests but won’t become violent over it.]
In short, I’m not so naïve as to think that anything I keyboard will chance your religious worldview. Nevertheless, I do appreciate your non-hostile and intelligent way you responded to my posting.
Martin
On a “clear book”
https://islamqa.info/en/103146
“Allah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“It is He Who has sent down to you (Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم) the Book (this Qur’aan). In it are Verses that are entirely clear, they are the foundations of the Book [and those are the Verses of Al-Ahkaam (commandments), Al-Faraa’id (obligatory duties) and Al-Hudood (laws for the punishment of thieves, adulterers)]; and others not entirely clear. So as for those in whose hearts there is a deviation (from the truth) they follow that which is not entirely clear thereof, seeking Al-Fitnah (polytheism and trials), and seeking for its hidden meanings, but none knows its hidden meanings save Allaah. And those who are firmly grounded in knowledge say: “We believe in it; the whole of it (clear and unclear Verses) are from our Lord.” And none receive admonition except men of understanding”
[Aal ‘Imraan 3:7]
What is meant is that the Qur’aan contains verses that are entirely clear and verses that are not entirely clear. The entirely clear verses (muhkam) are those which are clear and concerning which there is no confusion; this applies to most of the verses of the Qur’aan. These verses are the “foundations of the Book”. As for the verses which are not entirely clear (mutashaabih) these are verses which may not be clear to some people, in exclusion to others. The scholars know them but the ignorant do not, and there are some which only Allaah knows.
Those who follow the truth refer the verses which are not entirely clear to the verses which are entirely clear, whereas those who follow deviation follow the verses which are not entirely clear, and they use the verses which are not entirely clear to contradict the verses which are entirely clear, for the purpose of creating confusion, distorting and misleading. ”
The Koran is clear when it says obey Allah and his messenger, it is clear when it says cut the hand of the thief, it’s clear when it says fight the kuffar and humiliate and terrorise them until religion is only for Allah. All these verse are very clear what you say has no basis in Islamic theology.
Martin
. “All are inside of his heart. This book called by us as “concience”. ” Really are these verses talking about conscience or are they talking about obeying Allah and Muhammad? For example the scholar I am quoting says “How will he apply the words of Allah, may He be glorified and exalted (interpretation of the meaning): “Cut off the hand of the thief, male or female, as a recompense for that which they committed, a punishment by way of example from Allah. And Allah is All-Powerful, All-Wise” [al-Maa’idah 5:38]? What is the minimum value of wealth that defines theft? From where should the hand be cut off? Is it the right hand or the left hand? What are the conditions to be met with regard to the stolen item? And you may ask similar questions about the hadd punishments for zina (fornication or adultery), slander, li‘aan and so on.” Where does conscience tell you what the minimum value of wealth that defines theft is? Where does conscience tell you to cut of the hand? And which hand? Ironically if all these things are already known through the faculty of conscience then there would be no need of any messages and prophets to tell us how to live, so if you are right Islam (and all “revealed religions”) are automatically false.
https://islamqa.info/en/93111
“One of the easiest ways in which the ordinary Muslim can refute this flimsy specious argument is to ask himself: How many rak‘ahs do I pray in Zuhr? What is the minimum threshold at which zakaah becomes obligatory? These are two simple questions which no Muslim can do without knowing the answer to, but he will never find the answer to them in the Book of Allah, may He be exalted; rather he will find that Allah, may He be exalted, instructed him to pray and He instructed him to give zakaah, but how can he carry out these commands without looking to the Prophet’s Sunnah? This is impossible. Hence the Qur’an needs the Sunnah more than the Sunnah needs the Qur’an As Imam al-Awzaa‘i (may Allah have mercy on him) said:
The Book needs the Sunnah more than the Sunnah needs the Book.
al-Bahr al-Muheet by az-Zarkashi (6/11); quoted by Ibn al-Muflih al-Hanbali in al-Aadaab ash-Shar‘iyyah (2/307) from the Taabi‘i Makhool.
We think only in the most positive terms of the brother who asked this question, and we think that he asked by way of seeking ways to refute those who say such things and claim to be respecting the Holy Qur’an thereby.
Secondly:
One of the ways in which we may refute those who claim that the Muslims have no need of the noble Sunnah, and that the Holy Qur’an alone is sufficient, is to note that this view is a rejection of the words of Allah, may He be exalted, in His holy Book, in many verses of which He instructed us to accept what the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) brought, to refrain from that which he forbade, to obey him and to accept his rulings. For example, Allah, may He be exalted, says (interpretation of the meaning):
“And whatsoever the Messenger (Muhammad (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him)) gives you, take it, and whatsoever he forbids you, abstain (from it) , and fear Allah. Verily, Allah is Severe in punishment”
[al-Hashr 59:7]
“Say: “Obey Allah and obey the Messenger, but if you turn away, he (Messenger Muhammad (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him)) is only responsible for the duty placed on him (i.e. to convey Allah’s Message) and you for that placed on you. If you obey him, you shall be on the right guidance. The Messengers duty is only to convey (the message) in a clear way (i.e. to preach in a plain way)”
[an-Noor 24:54]
“We sent no Messenger, but to be obeyed by Allah’s Leave”
[an-Nisa’ 4:64]
“But no, by your Lord, they can have no Faith, until they make you (O Muhammad (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him)) judge in all disputes between them, and find in themselves no resistance against your decisions, and accept (them) with full submission”
[an-Nisa’ 4:65].
So what should this person do who claims that he is content with the Qur’an and therefore has no need for the Sunnah with regard to these verses? How will he respond to the commands of Allah, may He be exalted, contained in them?
This is in addition to what we said briefly first of all, which is: how can he establish the prayer which Allah, may He be exalted, enjoined upon him in His holy Book? What are the numbers of the prayers? What are the times of the prayers? What are the conditions of them being valid? What invalidates the prayer? And you may ask similar questions about zakaah, fasting, Hajj, and all the other rituals and laws of Islam.
How will he apply the words of Allah, may He be glorified and exalted (interpretation of the meaning): “Cut off the hand of the thief, male or female, as a recompense for that which they committed, a punishment by way of example from Allah. And Allah is All-Powerful, All-Wise” [al-Maa’idah 5:38]? What is the minimum value of wealth that defines theft? From where should the hand be cut off? Is it the right hand or the left hand? What are the conditions to be met with regard to the stolen item? And you may ask similar questions about the hadd punishments for zina (fornication or adultery), slander, li‘aan and so on.
Badr ad-Deen az-Zarkashi (may Allah have mercy on him) said:
Ash-Shaafa‘i said in ar-Risaalah, in a chapter on the obligation of obedience to the Messenger (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him):
Allah, may He be exalted, says (interpretation of the meaning): “He who obeys the Messenger (Muhammad (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him)), has indeed obeyed Allah” [an-Nisa’ 4:80]. With regard to every obligation that Allah, may He be exalted, has enjoined in His book, such as Hajj, prayer and zakaah, were it not for the explanation of the Messenger, we would not know how to do it and it would not be possible for us to do any act of worship. Because the Messenger is of such great importance with regard to sharee‘ah, obedience to him is in fact obedience to Allah.
Ali Sina should pay the reward… be gentleman Sina!
Thank you Martin for your info,
Unknown scholar is the same typical of Alisina. To deny what he is asking is very easy. He said that it was an error from Al-Quran, not at all, but only the knowledge of him that has not reached his estuary.
Instead of debating the unknown scholar, I would like to ask Alisina to deny everything that I have sent to him.
The Chronology:
1. In debate with Alisina at http://www.alisina.org he suddenly pretended that his website was hacked by a stranger. Until now he has not denied my argument in the discussion. The debate can be read in this link:
http://alisinatheliar.blogspot.co.id/2016/
Please ask also the Unknown scholar to read the above link carefully. He will find which one the “clear book” (5:15) “easy to understand” (44:58 , 54:22 , 54:32, 54:40) “explained in detail” (6:114), “conveyed clearly”, (5:16, 10:15) and with “no doubt” in it (2:1). All are inside of his heart. This book called by us as “concience”. When he lie to his wife or to his husband, his “clear book” will admonish him/her that “Hi the Unknown scholar, you are lie…”. The one who admonish him by whispering kindness every time is “easy to understand, explain in detail, conveyed clearly and no doubt”. If he does not believe it, means he does not believe himself. The question, is his concience still clear or still no doubt? If the answer is no, means the unbelievers (kuffar) who always using carnal desires and whispering evil everytime already covered his diamond of heart.
2. At that time I asked Alisina to drop all his charges to fulfil his promising because he lost the debate. He said that he would send a video. The video is about an ex Muslim asking one verse in Al-Quran that should be answered by me first. Then I explained and denied the video as well as denied the bad issue of slavery in Islam. My denial can be seen at the blog address below:
http://alisinatheliar.blogspot.com/2018/01/normal-0-false-false-false-in-x-none-ar.html
3. But after that he still argued, then he asked me to refute his e-book as thick as 312 pages titled “Understanding Muhammad and Muslims”. I have made a 402 pages e-book and have sent it to him more than a month ago. In the rebuttal of this book, I open up all his trickery and rottenness in his book. He is an unfair scholar, for example deliberately cutting off the contents of hadiths or deliberately not quoting additional hadiths explain the same case or misinterpretation of Qur’anic verses.
4. After I sent him e-book of rebuttal, I asked him persuasively to pay the reward that he promised with amount according to his ability, just to prove that he has accepted my denial. But he replied that I was delusional. If I delusional then please refute my e-book, please deny one by one of the issues that I reverted to him.
I have submitted all documents to my lawyer in Canada. I will not report to the police regarding blasphemy issue but I will report it regarding an online deceit issue. He had promised a $ 50,000 reward but it turned out to be a planned fraudulent. He becomes deceiver. I will demand it $ 50,000 + $ 50,000. No more persuasive negotiations, once my report submitted into Canada’s police.
This is the law in Canada:
Criminal Code (R.S.C., 1985, c. C-46)
Fraud
• 380 (1) Every one who, by deceit, falsehood or other fraudulent means, whether or not it is a false pretence within the meaning of this Act, defrauds the public or any person, whether ascertained or not, of any property, money or valuable security or any service,
(a) is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to a term of imprisonment not exceeding fourteen years, where the subject-matter of the offence is a testamentary instrument or the value of the subject-matter of the offence exceeds five thousand dollars; or
(b) is guilty
(i) of an indictable offence and is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years, or
(ii) of an offence punishable on summary conviction,
where the value of the subject-matter of the offence does not exceed five thousand dollars.
ding-dong
This message is intended for screen-name Unknown_Scholar:
World’s Muslims believe in a fictitious “Allah” who happens to reside in modern-day territories of Saudi Arabia.
On the day when Qiyamat will descend on earth, according to world’s Muslims’ belief system, the fictitious Islamic “Allah” will judge only humans — both living and long dead — but will not judge the animals and plants!
Because, world’s Muslims believe that, the fictitious Islamic “Allah” has created animals and plants on earth exclusively for human-pleasure, which is just like the fictitious Islamic “Allah” will create countless number of female sex-slaves in Islamic paradise for the carnal pleasure of all faithful Muslim men in Islamic paradise.
World’s Muslims believe that, the fictitious Islamic “Allah” (i.e., Jehovah) is the most merciful and the most generous who has commanded world’s Muslims to murder non-believers, rape non-believing females of all ages, and loot non-believers’ lands and properties on earth.
LINK
http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2018/02/20/pakistan-3000-extremists-call-for-beheading-of-teeb-christian-over-blasphemy/
I was a Muslim and embarrassed and had a guilty feeling that I was following a death cult. But abandoning that cult means death. Fortunately through a friend I came to overcome my dilemma and began living a civilized life. For those who want to follow me see http://sanatanaparishad.blogspot.in/
Hakan :::This gives Clarifications to Questions and Doubts from you.
https://carlosmdiaz.wordpress.com/2014/08/05/the-most-awful-name-in-allahs-sight-sahih-al-bukhari-bk-73-num-224/
In the hadith (Sahih-Al-Bukhari Bk 73; Num 224) Mohammed said, “The most awful name in Allah’s sight on the Day of Resurrection, will be (that of) a man calling himself Malik Al-Amlak (the King of kings).”
Quran 2:245 “Who is it that will lend unto Allah a goodly loan, so that He may give it increase manifold? Allah straiteneth and enlargeth. Unto Him ye will return.”
Allah asks for a loan, promising to pay us back with interest. Allah straightens and enlarges whatever is bent or small. The concept of ‘giving Allah a loan’ is often repeated in the Quran. Clearly, such a God who needs a ‘loan’ is not Omnipotent. It is obvious that these are the words not of God, but of a man with a limited intelligence, who thought of ‘God needing a loan’. It is obvious that it is Muhammad who needed a loan to serve his own cause, and not God.
We are discussing the TRUTH of Islam. Either it is from God, or it is not. If it is from God prove it and we will all revert or convert to Islam. If not, LEAVE IT. All we need to prove that the Quran is not from God is one error. A book from God cannot contain even one mistake, and even if a book contains no error, it is no proof that it is from God, since even a human can write a book without any mistake. Every single sentence in the Quran can be explained from Muhammad’s own socio-cultural background, just like any perfectly human product. Faithful believers go to any level to bend all rules of logic to deny the undeniable, defend the indefensible and explain the unexplainable. Why should there be a need to explain contradictions in a ‘clear book’? The best answer to show that the Quran must not be interpreted in any other way than its obvious meaning comes from the Quran itself. The Quran repeatedly claims to be a “clear book” (5:15) “easy to understand” (44:58 , 54:22 , 54:32, 54:40) “explained in detail” (6:114), “conveyed clearly”, (5:16, 10:15) and with “no doubt” in it (2:1). For such a book, if errors and contradictions appear to be obvious, then the book itself should clarify the explanations- human explanations to clarify clear contradictions reveal that the book needs human interpretations to understand.
16- Quran 84:1-5 “When the heaven is split asunder and attentive to her Lord in fear, And when the earth is spread out And hath cast out all that was in her, and is empty And attentive to her Lord in fear!”
Thus the verses 84:2 and 84:5 of the Quran say that Heaven and Earth fear God. Both Heaven and Earth are of course, non-living things who do not have any emotions, and they cannot be ‘attentive to God’ like living beings could be.
17- Quran 29:14: “And verily we sent Noah (as Our messenger) unto his folk, and he continued with them for a thousand years save fifty years; and the flood engulfed them, for they were wrong-doers.”
This verse 29:14 thus says Noah lived for at least 950 years. He actually preached as a messenger unto his folk for 950 years, meaning he lived for more years than that. This is of course, an absurdity since ‘Prophets’ are considered as mere mortal messengers of God with absolutely no superpowers. Ordinary human beings cannot live for 950 years, and this is a big blunder, a fairy-tale sort of description of the Quran. If the oldest known humans now cannot live for more than 120-125 years, there is no way humans of the past could live for as many as 950 years. The ‘best and last of God’s prophets’ i.e. Muhammad could not live more than 62 years of age. This is also mentioned in the Bible of course in Genesis 9:28-29 that Noah lived for a total of 950 years and then died. In the Quran, only his preaching time is mentioned as 950 years with no further information on how many years he lived before he became a Prophet, and how many years later he died after his preaching ended.
18- Quran 10:5, 25:61 and 71:16 say that the moon has light, whereas in reality the moon does not have light of its own, and simply reflects the light of the sun. This information (that the moon simply reflects the sun’s light) was known since at least 1,000 years before the time of Muhammad. Quran 10:5 says: “He it is Who appointed the sun a splendour and the moon a light, and measured for her stages, that ye might know the number of the years, and the reckoning. Allah created not (all) that save in truth. He detaileth the revelations for people who have knowledge.” Quran 71:16 says “And hath made the moon a light therein, and made the sun a lamp?”. Quran 25:61 says, “Blessed be He Who hath placed in the heaven mansions of the stars, and hath placed therein a great lamp and a moon giving light!“
Muslim explanation: Some Muslims, desperate to explain the mistake, like Dr. Zakir Naik lie, “The Arabic word for moon is ‘qamar’ and the light described there is ‘muneer’ which is borrowed light, or ‘noor’ which is a reflection of light.” Dr. Naik insists that the Quran makes it clear that the light of the Moon is borrowed light and to prove that, he claims ‘nur’ means reflection. This is a blatant lie. Nur is not borrowed light nor reflection. It is light. Munir also does not mean borrowed light. It means ‘luminous’. There are many verses in the Quran where the words nur and Munir are used and they cannot be interpreted as borrowed light. Eg 2:257 (“He bringeth them out of darkness into light”), 6:91 (“Moses brought, a light and guidance for mankind”), 4:174, 5:15, 5:44, 5:46, 6:1, 6:122, 7:157, 9:32, 13:16, 14:1, 14:5, 64:8, 33:46, 35:20, 39:69 and many others, which by no stretch of imagination can mean ‘borrowed light’ but simply mean ‘light’.
This knowledge, of course, was known to the ancient Greek astronomers at least 1,000 years before Muhammad, and can hardly be called miraculous knowledge. For example when Aristotle (384-322 B.C.) discussed the shape of the earth he was clear that the moon’s light is only reflected light of the sun.
Some Muslims claim that since the Quran uses different words speaking about the light of the sun and the light of the moon, it reveals that the sun is a source of light, while the moon only reflects light. Why would the Quran just use different nouns, calling the moon “a light” and the sun “a lamp”, to show this truth? If the author of the Quran wanted to convey this meaning, why did he simply not say: “The moon’s light is only a reflection from the light of the sun, and the Moon does not have its own light”? Simple and clear! The words for “light” and “sun” are used many times in the Quran and there is an Arabic word for reflection (in`ikaas) which is not used to described the Moon’s light.
The Quran repeatedly claims to be a “clear book” (5:15) “easy to understand” (44:58 , 54:22 , 54:32, 54:40) “explained in detail” (6:114), “conveyed clearly”, (5:16, 10:15) and with “no doubt” in it (2:1). For such a book, if an error as blatant as ‘Moon having light’ would seem to be in it, then the book itself would state clearly ‘Moon does not have its own light’. This is a big mistake of the Quran saying the moon is a light, whereas in reality it has no light of its own.
19- Quran 18.86: “Till, when he reached the setting-place of the sun, he found it setting in a muddy spring, and found a people thereabout. We said: O Dhu’l-Qarneyn! Either punish or show them kindness.” The sun thus sets in a muddy spring according to the Quran. The Sun of course, doesn’t ‘set’ in any specific place anywhere.
Muslim explanation: Showmen like Dr Zakir Naik lie that “the Arabic word used here is wajada meaning, it appeared to Zulqarnain. Wajada means ‘it appeared.’ Allah is describing what appeared to Zulqarnain.”
Wajada means “found”, not “appeared”. All the ten translators of the Quran that we consult have translated this word as found. URL. Dr. Naik simply lies. The verse 18:85 says: “And he followed a road. Till, when he reached the setting-place of the sun, he found (wajada) it setting in a muddy spring, and found (wajada) a people thereabout. We said: O Dhu’l-Qarneyn! Either punish or show them kindness.”
The word wajada is used twice. Are we supposed to understand that the people whom he saw were not real but also an apparition? How could he reward and punish such imaginary people? Again we find the same word in the same sura:
18:92-93 Then followed he (another) way, Until, when he reached (a tract) between two mountains, he found, (wajada) beneath them, a people who scarcely understood a word.
In two other verses wajada is used which cannot mean ‘appeared’ but only can mean ‘found’:
3:37 And her Lord accepted her with full acceptance and vouchsafed to her a goodly growth; and made Zachariah her guardian. Whenever Zachariah went into the sanctuary where she was, he found (wajada) that she had food.
28:23 And when he came unto the water of Midian he found (wajada) there a whole tribe of men, watering.
People like Zakir Naik lie and shift the blame on Zulqranain and say it is not the fault of Allah for saying what Zulqranain had mistakenly assumed. If so, why Allah did not make it clear that Zulqranain had made a mistake? Since in those days everyone thought that the Earth is flat, this was the perfect chance for Allah to set the record straight and clarify that Zulqranain was mistaken because the Sun does not set in waters; it is the Earth that is rotating making you think it is rising and setting. Nowhere in the entire Quran is it said ‘The earth rotates around itself’. On the contrary, the earth is described as ‘flat’. Can the Creator of the Earth be unaware of its shape?
20- Quran 86:6-7 “He is created from a drop emitted- Proceeding from between the backbone and the ribs…”
The Quran thus says sperms proceed from between the backbone and the ribs. This is wrong. Even the eminent Pakistani scholar Mr. Javed Ahmed Ghamidi and his disciple Dr. Khalid Zaheer accepted in a debate with Ali Sina that this is wrong as per the scientific knowledge now, but claimed that Science may change the facts as we know in future.
21- Quran 24:24 “On the day when their tongues and their hands and their feet testify against them as to what they used to do”
The limbs and organs of a human are controlled by the brain that conveys electrical signal through the nervous system. But the Quran believes that the limbs can talk and testify against the person, even though they would have no voice, memory or mind of their own. This is not a new mistake, the Quran is full of such mistakes thinking ‘Rocks’ have fear of God, Hills and Mountains have feelings etc.
22- Quran 41:21 “And they say unto their skins: Why testify ye against us? They say: Allah hath given us speech Who giveth speech to all things, and Who created you at the first, and unto Whom ye are returned.”
This verse says that skins will speak. This is another absurdity and a big mistake. Skins cannot speak on their own. This absurdity of non-living things speaking, or having emotions is repeated many times in the Quran, e.g. in 2:74 it is said that ‘Rocks fear God’, 41:11 says ‘Earth and Heaven talked to God’ etc.
23- Quran 2:65-66 “And ye know of those of you who broke the Sabbath, how We said unto them: Be ye apes, despised and hated! And We made it an example to their own and to succeeding generations, and an admonition to the Allah-fearing.”
Allah turned Sabbath-breaking Jews into apes to be despised and hated. Modern Jews are descendants of apes. This is an absurdity of course. This same thing is repeated in 5:60 which says that Allah has turned some Christians and Jews into apes and swine. Also in 7:166 where Allah turned men into apes.
24- Quran 2:243 “Bethink thee (O Muhammad) of those of old, who went forth from their habitations in their thousands, fearing death, and Allah said unto them: Die; and then He brought them back to life. Lo! Allah is a Lord of Kindness to mankind, but most of mankind give not thanks.”
This verse says dead people were brought back to life. This is a huge absurdity. If at all one would think dead people will rise before God to get their verdict of Eternal Heaven or Hell, will it not be on the Day of Judgment? How can people get 2 lives in this world before the Day of Judgment when Islam claims this life is the only life before the Day of Judgment? The same mistake is repeated in 2:259 where it is said that a man who had been dead for 100 years had been brought back to life.
25- Quran 2:245 “Who is it that will lend unto Allah a goodly loan, so that He may give it increase manifold? Allah straiteneth and enlargeth. Unto Him ye will return.”
Allah asks for a loan, promising to pay us back with interest. Allah straightens and enlarges whatever is bent or small. The concept of ‘giving Allah a loan’ is often repeated in the Quran. Clearly, such a God who needs a ‘loan’ is not Omnipotent. It is obvious that these are the words not of God, but of a man with a limited intelligence, who thought of ‘God needing a loan’. It is obvious that it is Muhammad who needed a loan to serve his own cause, and not God.
26- Quran 6:6 “See they not how many a generation We destroyed before them, whom We had established in the earth more firmly than We have established you, and We shed on them abundant showers from the sky, and made the rivers flow beneath them. Yet we destroyed them for their sins, and created after them another generation.”
How could they (or anyone else who wasn’t there) see Allah destroy previous generations? A scholar has said that if God wants to talk to mankind, He revealing his statements to only one mortal man and depending on that man to reveal it to other mankind is improper. This is because it becomes heresay for other humans. Why should God rely on one mortal human to reveal His statements to other men? And how can other men rely on the mortal man?
Patricia Crone said: “It is a peculiar habit of God’s that when he wishes to reveal himself to mankind, he will communicate only with a single person. The rest of the mankind must learn the truth from that person and thus purchase their knowledge of the divine at the cost of subordination to another human being, who is eventually replaced by a human institution, so that the divine system remains under other people’s control.” [TLS, January 21, 1994, p 12]
Paine said: “But admitting for the sake of a case, that something has been revealed to a certain person, and not revealed to any other person, it is a revelation to that person only. When he tells it to a second person, a second to a third, a third to a fourth, and so on, it ceases to be revelation to all those persons. It is revelation to the first person only, and hearsay to every other, and consequently they are not obliged to believed it…When I am told that the Koran was written in heaven and brought to Mahomet by an angel, the account comes too near the same kind of hearsay evidence and second-hand authority as the former. I did not see the angel myself, and therefore, I have a right not to believe it.”
And indeed, as Ibn Warraq, the author of “Why I am not a Muslim” says (pp 130-131): “It is very odd that when God decides to manifest Himself, He does so to only one individual. Why can He not reveal Himself to the masses in a football stadium during the final of the World Cup, when literally millions of people around the world are watching?”
But here the Quran said: “Did you not see how we destroyed the previous generations?” when people of the current generation were not even born! How could they ‘see’ that? How would they know that they really existed and were destroyed by God in the past? If God wanted them to see how He destroys or destroyed people, He would have shown them that with their eyes.
27- Who was the first Muslim? Muhammad 6:14,163, Moses 7:143, some Egyptians 26:51, Abraham 2:127-133, 3:67 or was it Adam 2:37?
This is a clear contradiction meaning that at least 4 out of these 5 must be wrong, and a book from God cannot contain even one mistake.
Muslim explanation: These people were the first Muslims “of their community” not humanity. This explanation is completely wrong since nowhere is it mentioned in the Quran that they were the first Muslims of their community. “Of their community” is invented by some Muslims to explain a clear contradiction. It is also a heinous sin to alter the words of the Quran, which those who are trying to explain this are doing.
28- Quran says that the ships run into the sea through the favour of God e.g. Quran 14:32, 17:66, 22:65, 30:46, 31:31, 36:41, 42:32, 45:12
It is opposed to true knowledge to say that the ships run into the sea through the favour of God when in reality they are propelled by machinery and by sailors. Would not the sign of God (a ship) sink if it was made of iron or stone? If a ship made of iron or stone was shown to run into the sea without sinking, one may have considered it as a ‘sign’ of God. Many ships not made of iron or stone also sink into the sea.
29- Quran 38:75 “He said: O Iblis! What hindereth thee from falling prostrate before that which I have created with both My hands? Art thou too proud or art thou of the high exalted?
This shows that the God of the Quran was two-handed person. He cannot, therefore, be Omnipresent and Omnipotent. This also shows the limited intelligence of the author of the Quran, not only was he not God, he was also not a very intelligent human, but was a man of limited intelligence, who let slip in his mistaken thought that God has only two hands.
30- Who takes the souls at death: The Angel of Death 32:11, THE angels (plural) 47:27 or Allah 39:42? This is a clear contradiction.
Muslim explanation: All the above are Beings who take souls to God, to whom the souls ultimately reach. The ‘Angel’ or ‘Angels’ of death do it on behalf of God i.e. Allah only. Of course, this is a desperate attempt to explain a clear contradiction, since if it was so in a book claimed as “clear book” (5:15) “easy to understand” (44:58 , 54:22 , 54:32, 54:40) “explained in detail” (6:114), “conveyed clearly”, (5:16, 10:15) and with “no doubt” in it (2:1), it would have been clearly explained directly why 3 different Beings are named on 3 different occasions as taking the souls at death. Is it that in some instances only one Angel takes them, in some instances many Angels, and in some instances Allah? Or is it that on all occasions Angels take them but bring them to Allah on His orders? This is of course a clear contradiction with no explanation provided in the Quran, meaning it is a clear mistake.
http://www.faithfreedom.org/mistakes-in-the-quran-which-prove-islam-is-false-part-ii/
@Hakan Allah is supposed to be omniscient. For such a Being it should be very easy to demonstrate some knowledge which is beyond the reach of ordinary human beings like Mohammed, say, being able in 620 AD to predict the events of 2000 AD, or to give the then-unknown chemical formula of water, or to write a then-unknown language including modern Arabic. This would not be proof of omniscience yet, but at least proof that the Quran is not the handiwork of an ordinary mortal; but nothing of the sort is done in the Quran. Moreover, the Quran contains many contradictions and mistakes, both in terms of modern physical and medical knowledge and in terms of its references to Biblical characters and events, e.g. saying that Samaritans lived at the time of Moses, whereas in reality the city of Samaria was founded more than 500 years after the time of Moses.
Now let us see some clear mistakes of the Quran.
1- Quran 2: 74 “Then your hearts became hardened after that, being like stones or even harder. For indeed, there are stones from which rivers burst forth, and there are some of them that split open and water comes out, and there are some of them that fall down for fear of Allah. And Allah is not unaware of what you do.”
This verse says that some Rocks fall down for ‘fear of Allah’. Rocks are non-living things, who do not have any emotions like fear. This is a ridiculous, absurd statement in the Quran, which shows that it is the statement of a man with a limited intelligence, and not God. A real God would know that Rocks do not have emotions.
2- Quran 41:11 “Then He directed Himself to the heaven while it was smoke and said to it and to the earth, “Come [into being], willingly or by compulsion.” They said, “We have come willingly.””
This verse says that Heaven and Earth have wills of their own to obey or disobey God. They also talked to God and said “We have come willingly”. Even a little grown-up children will know that non-living beings like the Earth and Heaven cannot have wills of their own, and cannot talk. A real God or even any intelligent man would know that Earth and Heaven do not have emotions.
3- Quran 13:13 “And the thunder exalts [ Allah ] with praise of Him – and the angels [as well] from fear of Him – and He sends thunderbolts and strikes therewith whom He wills while they dispute about Allah ; and He is severe in assault.”
This verse says that the thunder (of rain) praises God. Again, a non-living thing praising God is a big mistake.
4- Quran 13:15 “And to Allah prostrates whoever is within the heavens and the earth, willingly or by compulsion, and their shadows [as well] in the mornings and the afternoons”
This verse says that SHADOWS prostrate before God. They are of course, non-living.
5- Quran 17:44 “The seven heavens and the earth and whatever is in them exalt Him. And there is not a thing except that it exalts [ Allah ] by His praise, but you do not understand their [way of] exalting. Indeed, He is ever Forbearing and Forgiving.”
This verse says that Earth and Heavens praise God, exalt God. Again, small children can believe it, but not grown ups or even a little grown children. Non living objects like Earth are just that-non living.
6- Quran 33:72 “Lo! We offered the trust unto the heavens and the earth and the hills, but they shrank from bearing it and were afraid of it. And man assumed it. Lo! he hath proved a tyrant and a fool. “
This verse says that Heavens, Earth and Hills refused to accept God’s trust and were ‘afraid’ of God’s trust. These are non-living objects who have no feelings like ‘Fear’ and cannot ‘refuse’ God’s trust.
7- Quran 55:6 “And the stars and trees prostrate”
The stars are non-living beings which cannot prostrate before God.
8- Quran 59:21 “If We had sent down this Qur’an upon a mountain, you would have seen it humbled and coming apart from fear of Allah . And these examples We present to the people that perhaps they will give thought”
This verse says that a mountain has fear of Allah. Naturally mountains are non-living things having no emotions of fear.
9- 20:85-88, 95 “He said: Lo! We have tried thy folk in thine absence, and As-Samiri hath misled them. Then Moses went back unto his folk, angry and sad. He said: O my people! Hath not your Lord promised you a fair promise? Did the time appointed then appear too long for you, or did ye wish that wrath from your Lord should come upon you, that ye broke tryst with me? They said: We broke not tryst with thee of our own will, but we were laden with burdens of ornaments of the folk, then cast them (in the fire), for thus As-Samiri proposed. Then he produced for them a calf, of saffron hue, which gave forth a lowing sound. And they cried: This is your god and the god of Moses, but he hath forgotten…. (Moses) said: And what hast thou to say, O Samiri?“
However, at the time of Moses, Samaria did not exist and there was no one known as Samaritan. Samaria was a hill belonging to Shemer that was purchased by King Omri where he founded the city of Samaria about 870 B.C. The Samaritans as a distinct people only emerged after the exile of the Northern Kingdom of Israel and the resettlement of the area under king Sargon II after 722 B.C. Moses lived in around 1400 years B.C. That is five to seven centuries before anyone could be called Samaritan (Sameri). Therefore, the explanation of the Quran that Samaritans led the Jews to worship a calf cannot be correct. At the time of Moses Samaria did not exist and no one could be the citizen of an inexistent city. This full article will comprehensively reveal this mistake http://alisina.org/?p=191
10- Quran 39: 6 “He created you from one being, then from that (being) He made its mate; and He hath provided for you of cattle eight kinds.”
There are of course, many more than 8 kinds of cattle. This list on wikipedia gives many more https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cattle_breeds
11- Quran 42 :10 “And in whatsoever ye differ, the verdict therein belongeth to Allah. Such is my Lord, in Whom I put my trust, and unto Whom I turn.”
Clearly, these can’t be God’s words. It is quite obvious that these are Muhammad’s words. This is a clear mistake of the Quran, since it is supposed to be the Word of God, not Muhammad. Muhammad forgot that the Quran should have been the word of God, and let slip words which obviously reveal are his. This shows that it is Muhammad, not God, who wrote the Quran.
12- Quran 50:30 “On the day when We say unto hell: Art thou filled? and it saith: Can there be more to come?”
This verse says that Hell will talk to God. Hell, just like Heaven (assuming it exists) is a non-living entity with no ability to ‘talk’ to God. This incidentally also contradicts 78:37 which says that no one can converse with God, but here in this Verse it says that Hell will converse with God.
13- Quran 51:50-51 “Therefor flee unto Allah; lo! I am a plain warner unto you from him. And set not any other God along with Allah; lo! I am a plain warner unto you from Him. “
Clearly, these cant be the words of God. They are obviously the words of Muhammad. In the translation by Pickthall, he says in his comments that it appears that it is the revealing angel who is saying this. Irrespective of whether these are the words of the revealing angel or of Muhammad, why are they in the Quran which is supposed to be the Word of God? Either way, they are not God’s words. Obviously these are Muhammad’s words, who forgot that the words should be God’s.
14- Quran 51:49 : “And all things We have created by pairs, that haply ye may reflect.”
This is a clear mistake. Not all animals have pairs, such as aphid, hydras, budding, Binary Fission, etc
15- The Quran says: The food for the people in Hell will be only “Dhari” 88:6, “only foul pus from the washing of wounds” 69:36, and “they also get to eat from the tree of Zaqqum” 37:62-66?
This is a clear contradiction. Muslim explanation: Here, someone tries to explain the unexplainable by saying that God is simply saying that food in Hell will be horrible and that God uses different words for the same thing. This is a clear contradiction-foul pus is different from Dhari and tree of Zaqqum is also different. Nowhere is it said in the Quran that Dhari is same as pus and Zaqqum’s fruits. Forcible explanations to explain the unexplainable clear contradiction are all wrong.
These are just a few of the numerous mistakes of the Quran. There are many more, more than 1000 mistakes in the Quran itself and thousands more ridiculous tales in the Hadith.
http://www.faithfreedom.org/mistakes-in-the-quran-which-prove-islam-is-false/
Hakan
More evidence from Islamic texts that the blogger is talking bull
“Whoever is not convinced that the person who disbelieves in the religion of Allaah is a kaafir, does not believe what Allaah has told us about their being kaafirs, and he does not believe that the religion of Islam abrogates all previous religions and that all people must follow this religion no matter what their religion was before.
Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“And whoever seeks a religion other than Islam, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers” [Aal ‘Imraan 3:85]
“Say (O Muhammad): “O mankind! Verily, I am sent to you all as the Messenger of Allaah” [al-A’raaf 7:158]
Al-Qaadi ‘Ayyaad said: hence we regard as a kaafir everyone who follows a religion other than the religion of the Muslims, or who agrees with them, or who has doubts, or who says that their way is correct, even if he appears to be a Muslim and believes in Islam and that every other way is false, he is a kaafir
(Al-Shifaa’ bi Ta’reef Huqooq al-Mustafaa, 2/1071)”
https://islamqa.info/en/6688
@Hakan,
It is really not important to us what the “correct” interpretation of the Koran etc is. We don’t believe that the Koran is the literal word of God therefore we don’t care about the nuances that you keep talking about.
We DO care about the impact that Islam has had on the world. Before the time of M. the whole region of the middle east and North Africa was occupied by two great empires. The Christian Eastern Roman Empire and the Zoroastrian Persian Empire. Then the Muslims arrived on the scene and basically trashed half of the eastern Roman Empire all of the Persian Empire. They also trashed Spain and it took 800 years of struggle to dislodge them. Under Islamic rule the locals were second class citizens unless they converted. This situation continues today in Muslim majority countries. We don’t like this and we don’t want it where we live.
Hakan
“You are talking about the truth but you don’t know which one the object of the truth. On the contrary, you so sure debating about the kuffar but you don’t know what actually kuffar.” Remember this is not some shit I have made up out of thin air, I am quoting an Islamic scholar who bases what he says on Islamic texts. Do you think that this blogger knows more about it than a scholar?
“The blogger told us that both of them are inside of our body. It’s inward and not outward….his explanation is really surprise but reasonable and based on the Quran….” No his “explanation” is bullshit the Islamic scholar I quoted gave the correct definition. Are these verses and Hadith talking about “inner kuffar” or is it talking about the disbelievers? “Allah says in Soorat al-Tawbah (interpretation of the meaning):
“They (the disbelievers, the Jews and the Christians) want to extinguish Allaah’s Light (with which Muhammad has been sent — Islamic Monotheism) with their mouths, but Allaah will not allow except that His Light should be perfected even though the Kaafiroon (disbelievers) hate (it).
33. It is He Who has sent His Messenger (Muhammad) with guidance and the religion of truth (Islam), to make it superior over all religions even though the Mushrikoon (polytheists, pagans, idolaters, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allaah) hate (it)”
[al-Tawbah 9:32-33]
Here Allaah calls the kuffaar kuffaar, and He calls them mushrikeen. This indicates that a kaafir may be called a mushrik and a mushrik may be called a kaafir. There are many similar verses and ahaadeeth.
Another example is the hadeeth in which the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Between a man and shirk and kufr there stands his giving up prayer.” Narrated by Muslim in his Saheeh from Jaabir ibn ‘Abd-Allaah (may Allaah be pleased with him). And the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “The covenant that differentiates us from them is prayer; whoever gives it up is a kaafir.” Narrated by Imam Ahmad, Abu Dawood, al-Tirmidhi, al-Nasaa’i and Ibn Maajah with a saheeh isnaad from Buraydah ibn al-Husayb (may Allaah be pleased with him). And Allaah is the Source of strength.”
So clearly a kuffar is one who rejects Islam and its teachings.
Steve
You are really blind friend… You can find the difference between Prophet (Nabiyullah) and Messenger (Rasulullah) in this link:
http://alisinatheliar.blogspot.com/2018/01/the-crimes-of-alisina-are-irrefutable.html
Regarding kuffar, please see these links:
http://alisinatheliar.blogspot.com/2016/
http://alisinatheliar.blogspot.com/2018/01/who-is-deafer-dumber-and-blinder-than.html
You are talking about the truth but you don’t know which one the object of the truth. On the contrary, you so sure debating about the kuffar but you don’t know what actually kuffar. The blogger told us that both of them are inside of our body. It’s inward and not outward….his explanation is really surprise but reasonable and based on the Quran….
Is there any hadith that we should refer to https://islamqa.info or refer to Ibnu Kathir? If yes I will follow you….
Hi Shehla Adhami:: Anyone can Any Fictitious Claim in Air . Islam is a Philosophy and its Evaluation has to be after taking into Consideration of Practical Effects.
Communism is a Much Later Philosophy, but bit too can Show many, Positive Contributions to World CIvilization and Development.
Islam doesn’t have anything Positive to show, other than Boasting, thereby you continue to Beat Around the Bush without Substance.
Great Hindu Sage ‘Vyas’ Prophesied, 5000 Years Ago; ‘Religion Established by Muhammad will be ‘Destructive’. For more Details, Read ‘Bhavishya Purana’.
Hakam
Who is a kaafir according to an Islamic scholar (so again you can’t accuse me of not knowing what I am talking about).
“The kaafir is the one who denies and conceals the truth. The basic meaning of the word kufr in Arabic is concealment. Shirk means devoting worship to anyone or anything other than Allaah.
Kufr may take the form of denying and rejecting, but the mushrik may also believe in Allaah. This is the difference between the mushrik and the kaafir.”
“The Jews and Christians are both kaafirs and mushrikeen. They are kaafirs because they deny the truth and reject it. And they are mushrikeen because they worship someone other than Allaah.”
https://islamqa.info/en/67626
+Hakan
“You didn’t read all the content of the blog. It’s different between Prophet and Messenger. Try to find first before I answer your question….” The link doesn’t say anything about any (proposed) difference between prophethood and being a messenger. Also the Koran says in many places to obey Muhammad “Allah has commanded the people to obey His Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him). He has enjoined this in many verses of the Quran, of which we will quote some. Allah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“Say (O Muhammad): “Obey Allah and the Messenger (Muhammad).” But if they turn away, then Allah does not like the disbelievers.” [3:32]
“He who obeys the Messenger (Muhammad), has indeed obeyed Allah, but he who turns away, then we have not sent you (O Muhammad) as a watcher over them.” [4:80]
“O you who believe! Obey Allah and obey the Messenger (Muhammad), and those of you (Muslims) who are in authority. (And) if you differ in anything amongst yourselves, refer it to Allah and His Messenger, if you believe in Allah and in the Last Day. That is better and more suitable for final determination.” [4:59]
“And perform As‑Salah (Iqamat‑as-Salah), and give Zakah and obey the Messenger (Muhammad) that you may receive mercy (from Allah).”
[24:56]
And there are many similar verses.
The one who rejects the Sunnah is a kafir and an apostate.” https://islamqa.info/en/9067
“You cited some verses of the Quran 2:193, 8:39 and quoting ibnu kathir mentioning about Kuffar but you don’t know the essence of kuffar. You are a wiseacre… My suggestion read all the content of the blog, you will find the essence of kuffar. Kuffar is not the same with non-Muslims….” A kuffaar is a non Muslim who hasn’t converted to Islam (after being invited to by Muslims) or payed the jizya to the Islamic state. As my link said “And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and polytheism, i.e. worshipping others besides Allaah), and the religion (worship) will all be for Allaah Alone [in the whole of the world]. But if they cease (worshipping others besides Allaah), then certainly, Allaah is All-Seer of what they do”
“Ibn Jareer said:
So fight them until there is no more shirk, and none is worshipped except Allaah alone with no partner or associate, and trials and calamities, which are disbelief and polytheism, are lifted from the slaves of Allaah on earth, and religion is all for Allaah alone, and so that obedience and worship will be devoted to Him alone and none else.”
“This purpose of jihad was present in the minds of the Sahaabah (may Allaah be pleased with them) during their battles with the enemies of Allaah. Al-Bukhaari (2925) narrated that Jubayr ibn Hayyah said: ‘Umar sent people to all the regions to fight the mushrikeen… so ‘Umar recruited us and appointed al-Nu’maan ibn Muqarrin to lead us. When we were in the land of the enemy, the representative of Chosroes came out to us with forty thousand troops. An interpreter stood up and said: “Let one of you speak to me.” Al-Mugheerah said: “Ask whatever you want.” He asked, “Who are you?” He (al-Mugheerah) said: “We are some people from among the Arabs. We used to lead a harsh and miserable life, sucking on animal skins and date stones because of hunger, wearing clothes made of camel and goat hair, worshipping trees and rocks. While we were in this state, the Lord of the heavens and the earth, exalted be His name and glorified be His greatness, sent to us a Prophet from amongst ourselves, whose father and mother we know. Our Prophet, the Messenger of our Lord, (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), commanded us to fight you until you worship Allaah alone or pay the jizyah. Our Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) told us the message from our Lord, that whoever among us is killed will go to Paradise to enjoy delights such as no one has ever seen, and whoever among us is left will become your master.”
Since all non Muslims countries today are aware of Islam but haven’t accepted it or payed the Jizyah they are kuffaar and all Muslims have a duty to wage war and terrorise these countries and their citizens – until either they get killed – and go to paradise – or subdue the kuffaar and become their masters.
Steve
You cited some verses of the Quran 2:193, 8:39 and quoting ibnu kathir mentioning about Kuffar but you don’t know the essence of kuffar. You are a wiseacre… My suggestion read all the content of the blog, you will find the essence of kuffar. Kuffar is not the same with non-Muslims….
Steve
You didn’t read all the content of the blog. It’s different between Prophet and Messenger. Try to find first before I answer your question….
Shehla you say
“This religion and its beliefs are not responsible for any violence in the world rather the wicked intentions and ignorance in misusing the verses to suit their conditions or to justify their doings for their own personal agendas or a constant fight of dominance for a region.” That’s bullshit and you know it.
“Some of the reasons why jihad for the sake of Allaah is prescribed in Islam are as follows:
1 – The main goal of jihad is to make the people worship Allaah alone and to bring them forth from servitude to people to servitude to the Lord of people. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allaah) and (all and every kind of) worship is for Allaah (Alone). But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zaalimoon (the polytheists, and wrong-doers)”
[al-Baqarah 2:193]
“And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and polytheism, i.e. worshipping others besides Allaah), and the religion (worship) will all be for Allaah Alone [in the whole of the world]. But if they cease (worshipping others besides Allaah), then certainly, Allaah is All-Seer of what they do”
[al-Anfaal 8:39]
Ibn Jareer said:
So fight them until there is no more shirk, and none is worshipped except Allaah alone with no partner or associate, and trials and calamities, which are disbelief and polytheism, are lifted from the slaves of Allaah on earth, and religion is all for Allaah alone, and so that obedience and worship will be devoted to Him alone and none else.
Ibn Katheer said: Allaah commands us to fight the kuffaar so that there will be no fitnah, i.e., shirk, and the religion will all be for Allaah alone, i.e., the religion of Allaah will prevail over all other religions.
The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “”I have been commanded (by Allaah) to fight the people until they testify that there is no god but Allaah and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allaah, and they establish regular prayer and pay zakaah, then if they do that, then they save their lives and property from me except for Islamic laws and then their reckoning will be with Allaah.” Narrated by al-Bukhaari (24), Muslim (33).
And he (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “I have been sent just before the Hour with the sword, so that Allaah will be worshipped alone with no partner or associate.”
Narrated by Ahmad, 4869; classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh al-Jaami’, 2831.” https://islamqa.info/en/34647
Note – This is not my opinion this is a mainstream Islamic scholar quoting Islamic texts which commands Muslims to wage war on the kuffaar until Islam rules the whole world.
” believe me you will find the all goodness and truth in Islam as you find in your own faiths. ”
If that were so then the three things I mentioned early (No churches in Saudi, Pakistan blasphemy laws, Stolen Hagia Sophia) would not be true.
If you can persuade the governments responsible for these three offences to change them then i might believe you. Until then you would better spend your efforts educating your fellow muslims – because until you do that you won’t change any minds here.
@ commentators believe me you will find the all goodness and truth in Islam as you find in your own faiths. Forget about the community level but on individual level we all have right to follow all the good things that islam preaches and make us successful in the sight of our lord. This religion and its beliefs are not responsible for any violence in the world rather the wicked intentions and ignorance in misusing the verses to suit their conditions or to justify their doings for their own personal agendas or a constant fight of dominance for a region. It is evident from both bible and quran that near the end of world things will get worsen in the name of religion. In quran it is clearly written that the people of the book whether quran, bible or torah those who lived righteously but used to differ in their opinions will be justly judged and will be forgiven by Almighty. Nor your god or my god can justify and approve hate leading to destruction of human race and its ethical nature. Almighty wants us to understand him and worship him only that is our main purpose rest other curiosities does not hold any meaningful position because in the end we all will return with our deeds only that is our actions on this earth which must always be as correct as it could be
Hi Shehla Adhami, Is it not a Fact, that by showing Wolf, shouting Repeatedly, ‘Lamb’, ‘Lamb’ ‘n’ Times cannot Transform Wolf into Lamb. However Only One Religion has the Credit of Containing ‘Satanic Verses’. That can’t Stand on Conviction, but on Imposition.
Hinduism is the Oldest among the Living Religions. Great Hindu Sage ‘Vyas’ wrote, 5000 Years ago, the Book Titled Bhavishya Purana. This has the Prophecy about Jesus and Muhammad. Book can be Read In webpage too. Login and Read, instead of giving Fictitious Arguments, in Air.
Hakan
All the link says is “What is the excellent pattern? The excellent pattern is the nature inside of the Messenger himself that has four virtues i.e. siddiq, amanah, tabliq and fatanah (true, trustworthy, reminiscent of goodness and wise). It is not follow on his gamis shirt (wearing Arabic shirt), or his beard and other physical things. It is no problem to follow the physical custom of the Prophet but follow the way and the nature of Rasulullah Muhammad as a Sunnatirasul is a real obligatory (fardhu a’in). The four natures are ISLAM. The four natures of Islam raises a peaceful heart for salvation.”
If a person has a virtuous nature then if follows that their actions must also be virtuous. So it must mean follow his actions? And if you say no what is the point in sending prophets? (And this also contradicts the Koran when it’s says Muhammad is the last prophet and Islam is perfect).
To Shehla, Read first the below link for your reference. Read all the content of the blog. I have read it… I think the explanation from the blogger is make sense
http://alisinatheliar.blogspot.co.id/2018/02/
Richard, Antony Flew should have used “no true Muslim” instead of “no true Scotsman” to describe the fallacy. All Muslims (without exception) engage in this fallacy. Scots, generally don’t and if some do, they don’t do it any more than other people. But All Muslims do it all the time.
@Shehla “I KNOW NO MUSLIM A TRUE MUSLIM WILL EVER WANT TO KILL YOU”
I am afraid that you have hit the famous “no true Scotsman” fallacy here –
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman .
further to that the problem is that without the “muslims” who do want to kill you the peaceful ones would not exist. Islam was built on war. That is a historical fact. If you really believe that Islam is peaceful please stop lecturing us and turn your attention to the “muslims” who don’t agree with you.
Campaign for churches to be allowed in Saudi Arabia. Campaign for the blasphemy laws in Pakistan to be abolished. Campaign for the Turks to return the Hagia Sophia to the Orthodox Church.
If you can get even one of these goals then we can talk about Islam being peaceful – till then the evidence is against you.
@Truth Seeker
“God was not seen by anyone”
But Jesus was. He came and dwelt with us.
How could a remote “Allah” have the right to judge us, never having experienced what it is to live as a human being?
But Jesus, having dwelt with us and suffered just about the maximum that any human could suffer has that right.
Hi Shehla Adhami, Evaluation of Any Philosophy will be Correct after taking its Practical Contributions otherwise it will remain as Fictitious. See the News in the Webpage.
https://www.israelislamandendtimes.com/muslims-massacred-669-million-non-muslims-since-622ad/
Islam Has Massacred Over 669+ Million Non-Muslims Since 622AD
By way of contrast to the Deedat video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OePqt2xXJYk
“Please Evaluate Quran in broader objective taking all the verses together to connect the dot. Single verse gets out of context and is misleading”
I tried that – but it didn’t make any sense at all it hops around randomly. How can one avoid taking verses out of context when there is no context?
Shehla,
You and your fellow “peaceful muslims” may not be responsible for violence – but violence is responsible for you. Without violent Jihad and the oppression of non-muslims in muslim societies you and your father would never have been muslims. Somewhere in your family history there is a tragic moment when somebody took a bribe or gave in to a threat and became a muslim. Thanks to the intolerance displayed towards anyone who leaves the faith your family’s fate was settled at that point.
Please rad the real history, not the whitewashed version you have been fed, and understand this point.
Do you seriously believe that a “religion of peace” could have conquered half the known world at the point of a sword?
Prophets are Philosophers through whom God Performed Miracles too. This was to make People Realise, the Message is from God. No Miracle: NOT God’s Prophet.
God was Not Seen by Anyone. Thus it is Imaginary Power. Religions Except One Teaches, God’s Might is Revealed by Miracles and Signs. No Miracle Means, Not of God. Exception teaches No god but—
Hello Shela
“it also commands through its verses to face the situation in case of extreme situations of chaos, atrocity and oppression or any other situation that may arise out of disparity.” Isn’t this EXACTLY what the likes of Bin Laden and ISIS etc argue? I.e they are agents of divine justice?
“YOU CANNOT TRAP PROPHET MOHAMMAD OR ALLAH IN THIS ISSUE.” Certainly you can – since the terrorists quote the Quran and examples of Muhammad to justify their actions. How can you prove them wrong?
“Those who are troubling that family are not doing right by behaving this way , they are ignorant, have superiority complex by being stick to their own religion, today everyone is so self-absorbed that all they want to be just right and nothing else . Nobody wants to see the truth they have been shown to. ” This is the perfect description of somebody with a narcissist personality and as Ali argues in his book Muhammed himself was a narcissist which is probably why this trait is so prevalent in Islamic societies.
“We can advise them but we cannot harm or hurt them by our actions and Allah does not gives this responsibility to anyone.” This is your opinion not Muhammad’s this Islamic site https://islamqa.info/en/20327 tells us honestly the punishment for apostasy “3 – What is the ruling on the apostate?
If a Muslim apostatizes and meets the conditions of apostasy – i.e., he is of sound mind, an adult and does that of his own free will – then his blood may be shed with impunity. He is to be executed by the Muslim ruler or by his deputy – such as the qaadi or judge, and he is not to not be washed (after death, in preparation for burial), the funeral prayer is not to be offered for him and he is not to be buried with the Muslims.
The evidence that the apostate is to be executed is the words of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him): “Whoever changes his religion, execute him.” (Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 2794). What is meant by religion here is Islam (i.e., whoever changes from Islam to another religion).
The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “It is not permissible to shed the blood of a Muslim who bears witness that there is no god except Allaah and that I am His Messenger, except in one of three cases: a soul for a soul (i.e., in the case of murder); a married man who commits adultery; and one who leaves his religion and splits form the jamaa’ah (main group of Muslims).” (Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 6878; Muslim, 1676)
See al-Mawsoo’ah al-Fiqhiyyah, 22/180.
Thus it will be clear to you that execution of the apostate is something that is commanded by Allaah, when he commanded us to obey the Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), as He says (interpretation of the meaning):
“O you who believe! Obey Allaah and obey the Messenger (Muhammad), and those of you (Muslims) who are in authority”
So again the question is how can you argue with Allah and Muhammed?
Dear Ali Sina, By Mistake, my Message got repeated. Pl remove the Repetitions.
Vague Arguments or Beating Around the Bush are of No Use. Give Clear Points. Show the Visible positive Contributions from Quran. Claim Must have Salient evidence, not Claims in Air..
*****“The Prophet said, Allah made me victorious with terror.” (Bukhari: 1.7.331). ****
**** “The Prophet said, ‘Hear me. By Him who holds Muhammad’s life in his hand, I will bring you slaughter’.” (Ishaq: 130; Tabari: VI.101) ** *
**** “It is not for any Prophet to have captives until he hath made slaughter in the land.” (Q: 8.67)*** *
*** “Allah said, ‘A Prophet must slaughter before collecting captives. Muhammad, you craved the desires of this world, its goods and the ransom captives would bring. But Allah desires killing them to manifest the religion.’” (Ishaq: 327)***
* ** “Killing disbelievers is a small matter to us.” (Tabari: IX.69).******
** “Killing them (infidels) was sweeter than drink.” (Ishaq: 576) “Warfare is ordained for you…” (Q: 2.216). **
***“… if you kill, kill well: and if you slaughter, slaughter well” (Al-Nawawi, Hadith no. 17).****
*****“The Prophet said, Allah made me victorious with terror.” (Bukhari: 1.7.331). ****
**** “The Prophet said, ‘Hear me. By Him who holds Muhammad’s life in his hand, I will bring you slaughter’.” (Ishaq: 130; Tabari: VI.101) ** *
**** “It is not for any Prophet to have captives until he hath made slaughter in the land.” (Q: 8.67)*** *
*** “Allah said, ‘A Prophet must slaughter before collecting captives. Muhammad, you craved the desires of this world, its goods and the ransom captives would bring. But Allah desires killing them to manifest the religion.’” (Ishaq: 327)***
* ** “Killing disbelievers is a small matter to us.” (Tabari: IX.69).******
** “Killing them (infidels) was sweeter than drink.” (Ishaq: 576) “Warfare is ordained for you…” (Q: 2.216). **
***“… if you kill, kill well: and if you slaughter, slaughter well” (Al-Nawawi, Hadith no. 17).****
*****“The Prophet said, Allah made me victorious with terror.” (Bukhari: 1.7.331). ****
**** “The Prophet said, ‘Hear me. By Him who holds Muhammad’s life in his hand, I will bring you slaughter’.” (Ishaq: 130; Tabari: VI.101) ** *
**** “It is not for any Prophet to have captives until he hath made slaughter in the land.” (Q: 8.67)*** *
*** “Allah said, ‘A Prophet must slaughter before collecting captives. Muhammad, you craved the desires of this world, its goods and the ransom captives would bring. But Allah desires killing them to manifest the religion.’” (Ishaq: 327)***
* ** “Killing disbelievers is a small matter to us.” (Tabari: IX.69).******
** “Killing them (infidels) was sweeter than drink.” (Ishaq: 576) “Warfare is ordained for you…” (Q: 2.216). **
***“… if you kill, kill well: and if you slaughter, slaughter well” (Al-Nawawi, Hadith no. 17).****
See this too.
*****“The Prophet said, Allah made me victorious with terror.” (Bukhari: 1.7.331). ****
**** “The Prophet said, ‘Hear me. By Him who holds Muhammad’s life in his hand, I will bring you slaughter’.” (Ishaq: 130; Tabari: VI.101) ** *
**** “It is not for any Prophet to have captives until he hath made slaughter in the land.” (Q: 8.67)*** *
*** “Allah said, ‘A Prophet must slaughter before collecting captives. Muhammad, you craved the desires of this world, its goods and the ransom captives would bring. But Allah desires killing them to manifest the religion.’” (Ishaq: 327)***
* ** “Killing disbelievers is a small matter to us.” (Tabari: IX.69).******
** “Killing them (infidels) was sweeter than drink.” (Ishaq: 576) “Warfare is ordained for you…” (Q: 2.216). **
***“… if you kill, kill well: and if you slaughter, slaughter well” (Al-Nawawi, Hadith no. 17).****
Dear Shehla, I added a new paragraph that answers your argument about good and bad people exist in all religion. It is the 4th form bottom up.
I read the Quran in its context. The context of Islam is the Sira and hadith. The Quran without these sources is a book without a context. Few Muslims have read the Sira of their prophet. I wrote a major book on his life.
Your understanding of Islam is incorrect. Islam is not that lovey dovey religion that you think it is. I know how Muslims think about Islam, when they have not read its sources. I too had the same beliefs. Only after reading the Quran in its entirety and reading several books of sira I realized this religion is all evil.
Please Evaluate Quran in broader objective taking all the verses together to connect the dot. Single verse gets out of context and is misleading
Sura.2.191. And kill them (Kafir) wherever you find them, and drive them out from whence they drove you out, and persecution is severer than slaughter, and do not fight with them at the Sacred Mosque until they fight with you in it, but if they do fight you, then slay them; such is the recompense of the unbelievers.* *
* ** Sura.9:5 So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.** *
* ** * Sura. 5:60. “God has cursed the Jews, transforming them into apes and swine and those who serve the devil”. * * ** Sura. 2::96.Jews are the greediest of all humankind. They’d like to live 4,000 years. But they are going to hell.” * *
* Sura 5:51,”O believers, take not Jews and Christians as friends; they are friends of each other. Whoso of you makes them his friends is one of them. Allah guides not the people of the evildoers.” *
* * Sura. 8:12-13.”Allah revealed His will to the angels, saying: ‘I shall be with you. Give courage to the believers. I shall cast terror into the hearts of the infidels. Strike off their heads, strike off the very tips of their fingers!’ That was because they defied Allah and His apostle. He that defies Allah and his apostle shall be sternly punished by Allah.” *
* ** Sura. 8:39.”And fight them until there is no more fitnah (disbelief and polytheism, i.e. worshipping others besides Allah) and the religion (worship) will all be for Allah alone (in the whole world). But if they cease (worshipping others besides Allah) then certainly, Allah is All-Seer of what they do.” **
* * Sura. 8:60.”Muster against them [i.e. non-Muslims] all the men and cavalry at your command, so that you may strike terror into the enemy of Allah and your enemy, and others besides them who are unknown to you but known to Allah.” ** *
** * Sura. 8:65.”O Prophet, urge on the believers to fight. If there be 20 of you, patient men, they will overcome 200; if there be 100 of you, they will overcome 1000 unbelievers, for they are a people who understand not
Dear Shehla,
Every Religion is a Philosophy. It takes some time to Prove the Worthiness and Effect of Religion or any Philosophy.
Unlike Other Religions, Islam, Boasts. Other Religions teach to Practice Humility, Islam teaches to show Pride.
Islam Claims to be Superior to Other Religions. In that case at give the List of at Least 7 Outstanding, Salient Achievements, Positive Contributions to World Civilization and Development, compared to Others.
If Islam has Love to Fellow Beings, why Millions of Innocents were Massacred from Generation to Generation and the Process is Still Continues?
Why the so called Creator, created Innocents as Foes to be Butchered by by his Fans? Was it Not Better Not to Create than Creating and Getting them Butchered? This Butchering is Human Sacrifice; is it not?
Other religions Grow by Conviction but Islam grows by Imposition, Befooling etc. Besides are those who are in are Retained by Force. If it is Really Good Religion give Freedom and Stand like Other Religions by Conviction.
Dera Ali Sina
First of all I wanted you to understand what I was really talking about. I was expecting an empathetic understanding of yours towards hundreds of real Muslims who really knows what Islam is all about, who lives a virtuous life by believing in Almighty the creator of this world, the identification of it as per Islam is ALLAH and who believe in living a straight life without harming and misleading others. For you, you recognize your God as Jesus but what I was questioning was the way we are living our lives in respect of self, others and God. You believe that good and bad people do exists among all nations and in every religion. Then why it is not possible that the so called Islamic terrorists are the bad part of muslim society who are not only ignorant but malicious and harmful in propagating their selfish agendas which has absolutely nothing to do with their books, commandments and doctrines. They have camouflaged themselves behind Quran. Quran is a book which are more oriented towards the recognition and acknowledgement of God and its creation and how the human society can benefit by understanding this knowledge of the book. If positive verses are there which indicates peace it also commands through its verses to face the situation in case of extreme situations of chaos, atrocity and oppression or any other situation that may arise out of disparity. Same is the Bible it also make us aware of all the life situations and it must also have a say for the violent situations or perceived threat. I agree belief is the backbone of every action but the actions are not always oriented or compelled by the belief itself. Actions may also results from ignorance and necessity. For example a thief do not believe to be a thief himself nor he feels bad when he sabotage others property, what he just thinks and perform his actions based on his necessity and the ignorance that he is bothering others. In his mind he is focused to execute his practice so that he can fulfill his needs without understanding the consequences of it be at personal level or societal level.
I already told you that I am not victimized at this action of yours,as you have all your right to express yourself, your doubts, your assertions and your belief. What we muslim feel sad about is the ignorance and incomplete understanding of Islam and understanding Islam from the point of view of so called Islamic terrorists and their actions. Believe me my religion is as harmless as your or anybody’s religion and this can be accepted when you have the proper understanding and evaluation of Islamic principles and Quran. Prophet Mohammad was as human as we all are, as sensitive and as god fearing as we are. I am not here to convince you on my religion I just want you to understand that truth is always light ,clear and continuing. By the persona of Prophet Mohammad which you tell to people if muslims would have accepted him and acknowledged him in this way then right now we all muslims would have been a murderer, racist, rapist, oppressor but WE ARE NOT BECAUSE OUR RELIGION AND THIS MAN DO NOT TEACH US THIS RATHER SOMETHING ELSE WHICH YOU SHOULD HAVE TALKED ABOUT. As far as those Great Islamic people who are killing innocents may be with an intention to take revenge or conquer the world of whatever personel or political agenda they may have they are not God’s people. They will definitely pay for their actions. Even if you try to convince them through Quran or Bible to stop their heinous activities they will never resort to it as they are blinded by their own violent conscience. YOU CANNOT TRAP PROPHET MOHAMMAD OR ALLAH IN THIS ISSUE.
As far as today’s society is considered it is going towards degradation of ethical and moral responsibilities. It is clearly known to a muslim that there is no compulsion in religion. Those who are troubling that family are not doing right by behaving this way , they are ignorant, have superiority complex by being stick to their own religion, today everyone is so self-absorbed that all they want to be just right and nothing else . Nobody wants to see the truth they have been shown to. If they have left the religion it is a matter between them and Allah. We can advise them but we cannot harm or hurt them by our actions and Allah does not gives this responsibility to anyone. We are the creation who are there on this earth to practice and understand the truth and virtues of life as laid down by the creator in most dignified and peaceful way. Islam teaches SABR not violence and this sabr comes to only those who knows the truth.
I KNOW NO MUSLIM A TRUE MUSLIM WILL EVER WANT TO KILL YOU RATHER THEY WILL PRAY FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND THE TRUTH, TO UNDERSTAND THE GOD AND THEIR PROPHETS IN A BETTER AND UNBIASED WAY AND THOSE WHO WANT TO KILL YOU ARE NOT AMONG THE PEOPLE OF PROPHET MOHAMMAD.PEOPLE WHO CANNOT FORGIVE ARE HIS PEOPLE. IT’S A PITY THAT WE ALL JUST KILL, FIGHT AND PERSECUTE EACH OTHER WITHOUT UNDERSTANDING THE WILL AND WORDS OF GOD. World will never be a better place for a believer.
I totally understand what my religion teaches me and understand the necessity of being a god fearing human being who just rely on him and I am sure if my actions to be good and healthy I may meet my Lord Allah who will place me with my loved ones in the paradise . Inshaallah. My God is just (Al Adil) and he does not wrong anyone. After seeing my father departure I realized that we are really running short of time to practice ourselves as best creation of Almighty. Lets hope you me my father and rest of the world gets their due share in eternity in a best possible way as per our actions and not on as per the need of dominance because it is only the creator to whom the sovereignty belongs.
I BELIEVE IN ALLAH AND PROPHET MOHAMMAD AND I PROMISE YOU THAT I AM NOT THE ONE WHO YOU THINK I COULD BE
May your conscience, your intensions and actions reaches to the best level before you reach to God.
Regards
Shehla Adhami