A Letter About Jesus

Ali Sina

Ali Sina is the author of Understanding Muhammad and Muslims.

39 Responses

  1. hydrococo says:

    Why would the church is intended to gain wealth control of earth? It’s not middle age anymore, and I saw catholic church is going to be better these days. As far as I know the church never forced its member to donate some moneys, its okay for not giving church money in every mass, no punishment too for those people who leave the church (apostate). How about the saints and other good figure that catholic church had produced in the name of humanity, in the name of Jesus, and of course in the name of love (e.g. Mother Theresa). Do you want to call them evil too?

  2. washim says:

    I’m disagree with some aspects of your writing. Because some of them are just an assumption (like you need to be a pedophile to be a high ranked priest? Is there any proof for this? is such guideline written in any christians/catholic scripture? Or suggested by Jesus himself?)

    I went to catholic church for 20+ years in Indonesia, and as far as I saw it, they always preach love in every single mass, very far from hate speech. The church, the homily from the priests had helped me to get closer to God, to get closer to love like you always said. You’re true about the pedophile scandals in catholic churches environment, and I’m aware for that. I do hope those inappropriate priests to be taken out of the churches. I think it’s not about the church went wrong, it’s about the people who run it.

    Catholic church has a very strong and good root based on history from the very first century (a period very close to Jesus’ era), And I always believe the bad people inside it will be eliminated by nature. Just like a big deep rooted tree releases its rotten leaves

  3. J35ter says:

    Well done my friend. Its a good to see you still writing this blog. Gbu.

  4. Lizzie says:

    I’m sure God will note the extreme blasphemy of ‘Face the Truth’ when he passes which will be in three years time. In the meantime carry on as you dig your final grave with your stupid tongue.

  5. Face_The_Truth says:

    Falsehoods Of Prophet Jesus & Falsehoods Of Christianism: The Origin Of Christianity


    As we shall see, the Allãh of the Qur’ãn says again and again that Allãh is not revealing anything new, but only re-affirming what is already recorded in the earlier scripture, namely, the Bible.

    Allãh is annoyed with the Jews in particular for their refusal to recognize Muhammad as a prophet when their own prophets were known to have spread the same message received from the same source.

    Muhammad, too, is pained that his people repudiate him without checking with the Jews and the Christians the truth of what he is proclaiming.

    Muslim theologians of later ages will deny that Muhammad learnt anything from the Bible.

    In their eagerness to invest Muhammad with an absolutely original inspiration, Muslim theologians will portray him as an illiterate (ummî) who could neither read nor write!

    But we will better believe Allãh and his prophet rather than the latter-day Muslim theologians, and proceed to examine what the Bible says vis-a-vis other people’s Gods and places of worship.

    The Bible is, of course, a large and complex composition spanning several centuries and dealing with diverse subjects.

    We shall confine ourselves to the main theme which runs through all its book except most of the Psalms and Proverbs, namely, the struggle by a succession of prophets to make the Jews stick to a strict monotheism with all its implications.

    The prophets speak on behalf of a boastful being who introduces himself as Jehovah and thunders a thousand time that he alone is worthy of worship to the exclusion of all “other Gods”.

    Jewish Prophet Moses hails him as “a warrior” whose name “the nations heard and trembled.”

    The story in the Bible starts a long time before Jehovah identifies himself to Jewish Prophet Moses.

    But that story is not relevant in the present context except at one point where Jacob asked his people to “rid yourselves of foreign gods you have among you” and “buried them under the tere-binth tree.”

    For our purpose, the story acquires interest only after Jewish Prophet Moses leads his people out of Egypt and goes up to Mount Sinai where Jewish Prophet Moses has been summoned by Jehovah “in a peal of thunder.”

    That is when Jewish Prophet Moses receives the famous Ten Commandments!

    The commandments that are relevant in the present context are the first two.

    Jewish and Christian God Jehovah says:

    “I am the Lord your God who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.

    You shall have no other Gods set against me!

    You shall not have a carved image for yourself nor the likeness of anything in the heavens above, or on the earth below, or in the waters under the earth.

    You shall not bow down to them, for, I, the Lord your God am a jealous God.

    I punish the children for the sins of their forefathers to the third and fourth generations of those that hate me!”

    Jewish and Christian God Jehovah does not make it clear how homage to other Gods means hatred for him.

    Jewish and Christian God Jehovah portrays the pathological state of mind in which a person feels slighted simply because some other person is praised.

    In any case, Jehovah goes ahead and lays down that “whoever sacrifices to any other god but the Lord shall be put to death under solemn ban.”

    This was no empty threat as Jewish Prophet Moses proved soon after.

    While Jewish Prophet Moses went up to Mount Sinai for a second time his people down below melted their ornaments, made a golden calf, and started worshipping it with song and dance.

    Jewish and Christian God Jehovah was furious!

    Jehovah threatened to destroy the whole lot of them, and Jewish Prophet Moses had a hard time pacifying him.

    Moses hurried down in order to handle the situation.

    “Then Moses took the calf they had made and burnt it; he ground it to powder, sprinkled it on water and made the Israelites drink it.”

    Next Jewish Prophet Moses took his place at the gate of the camp and said, “Who is on the Lord’s side?

    Come here to me; and the Levites all rallied to him.

    Jewish Prophet Moses said to them, ‘These are the words of the Lord the God of Israel: Arm yourselves, each of you, with his sword.

    Go through the camp from gate to gate and back again.

    Each of you will kill his brother, his friend, his neighbour.’

    The Levites obeyed, and about three thousand of the people died.

    Jewish Prophet Moses then said, ‘Today you have consecrated yourselves to the Lord, because you have each turned against his own son and his own brother and so have brought this blessing upon yourselves.’”

    All ties of kinship which normal societies, particularly Pagan societies, have prized stood dissolved in the new dispensation.

    A brotherhood of Jewish believers (or Jewish bandits) based on a commonly shared cult came into existence!

    Islam’s founder Muhammad will also call upon the Muslims to do the same and acknowledge no relationship higher than obedience to the dictates of Islãm’s Allãh.

    Jewish and Christian God Jehovah made it quite clear to the Jews that if they failed to punish those among them who turned to other gods, Jehovah will take the matter in his own hands and inflict terrible calamities on the whole people.

    “If inspite of this you do not listen to me and still defy me, I will defy you in anger, and I myself will punish you seven times over for your sins.

    Instead of meat you shall eat your sons and your daughters.

    I will destroy your hill shrines and demolish your incense altars.

    I will pile your rotting carcases on the rotting logs that were your idols, and I will spurn you.

    I will make your cities desolate and destroy your sanctuaries.

    I will destroy your land and the enemies who occupy it shall be appalled.

    I will scatter you among the heathen and I will pursue you with the naked sword; your land shall be desolate and your cities heaps of rubble.”

    Jehovah left no one in doubt that he was a hardened gangster who would stop at no crime.

    We shall meet Jehovah again in the Qur’ãn of Islam.

    The “other Gods” are not worth worshiping because “other Gods” are “made by human hands out of wood and stone, “other Gods” that can neither see nor hear, neither eat nor smell.”

    Idols are not only dead matter but also “loathsome and abominable.”

    “Other Gods” cannot help, nor save you in an emergency!

    We shall meet the same note in the Qur’ãn of Islam.

    Allãh — another name for Jewish and Christian God Jehovah — will also pity the people who bow before such “dead and dumb things”.





  6. Face_The_Truth says:

    Falsehoods Of Prophet Jesus & Falsehoods Of Christianism: The Origin Of Christianity

    The march towards the promised land, which Jehovah had long ago promised to deliver to his Chosen Jewish People, was resumed.

    Jehovah himself led the Jewish horde, assuming the form of a cloud.

    On the way Jehovah gave elaborate instructions about how he himself was to be worshiped alone.

    At last they were on the frontiers of the promised land.

    Jehovah briefed them how to proceed:

    “When the Lord your God brings you into the land which you are entering to occupy and drive out many nations before you — Hitites, Girgashites, Amorites, Cananites, Perrizites, Hivites and Jebusites, seven nations more numeous and powerful than you — when the Lord your God delivers them into your power and you defeat them, you must put them to death.

    You must not make a treaty with them or spare them.

    You must not intermarry with them, neither giving you daughters to their sons nor taking their daughters for your sons: if you do, they will draw your sons away from the Lord and make them worship other Gods.

    Then the Lord will be angry with you and quickly destroy you.

    But this is what you must do to them: pull down their altars, break their sacred pillars, hack down their sacred poles and destroy their idols by fire, for you are a people holy to the Lord your God; the Lord your God chose you out of all the nations on earth to be his special possession.”

    Jehovah also warned the Jews against reformers who may appear among them.

    “When a prophet or dreamer appears among you and offers you a sign or a portent and calls on you to follow other gods whom you have not known and worshiped, then, even if the sign or portent should come true, do not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer.

    That prophet or that dreamer shall be put to death, for he has preached rebellion against the Lord who brought you out of Egypt and redeemed you from the path which the Lord your God commanded you to take. You must rid yourselves of this wickedness.”

    The gate was thus slammed for ever against any second thoughts on the subject.

    The Israelites were to remain in the prisonhouse of monotheism for all time to come.

    The conquest of the promised land proceeded apace, accompanied by unmitigated slaughter and rapine.

    Jehovah commanded his servants again and again not to leave alive anything that breathes.

    “So, Joshua massacred the population of the whole region — the hill country, the Nageb, the Shephelah, the watersheds — and all their kings.

    Joshua left no survivor, destroying everything that drew breath as the Lord God of Israel had commanded.”

    Jehovah took credit for all the victories and waxed eloquent in self-adulation.

    But as the war of conquest drew to a close and the Jews settled down in the promised land they reverted more and more to the normal human habit of worshipping the Divine in many Names and Forms.

    They intermarried with the neighbouring non-Jewish tribes, defying the ban which Jehovah had imposed on them.

    The foreign brides brought their own Gods, and also priests who tended to those Gods.

    The defiance of Jehovah reached a new high in the reign of Solomon.

    Solomon had seven hundred wives, most of them foreign princesses, and three hundred concubines who “turned his heart to follow other gods.”

    Jehovah warned him twice, but to no avail.

    Solomon simply ignored him, and Jehovah could not do a thing.

    Jehovah consoled himself that he was sparing Soloman for the sake of the latter’s father, Jewish King David.

    The Jewish kingdom split into two after the death of Solomon — Israel in the north with its seat at Samaria, and Judah in the south with its seat at Jerusalem.

    The Jewish scribes who wrote the story of Solomon credited Jehovah with a curse which broke the kingdom after Solomon’s death.

    It was wisdom after the event.

    In any case, the worship of other Gods continued unabated. Ahab, king of Israel, had married a foreign princess, Jezebel, who was a devotee of Baal.

    Temples were built for the new God where his priests presided.

    Ahab himself paid homage to the new God.

    Elijah, a self-appointed Jewish prophet, admonished the King Ahab, but was dismissed with contempt.

    So, Elijah took resort to trickery.

    Prophet Elijah invited the priests of Baal to Mount Carmel in order to demonstrate to them the superiority of Jehovah over Baal.

    Elijah’s swordsmen who lay in ambush seized four hundred and fifty priests.

    Elijah himself “took them down the Kishon and slaughtered them in the valley.”

    Then, Elijah ran away for dear life, because Queen Jezebel had summoned him!

    The mantle of Elijah fell on new Jewish Prophet Elisha.

    Jewish Prophet Elisha earned his well-deserved reputation as a prophet by cursing some naughty children, forty-two of whom were torn to pieces by she-bears.

    Elisha egged on an adventurer, Jehu, who seized the throne of Israel after slaughtering the sons of Ahab, and getting Queen Jezebel thrown out of a palace window so that “some of the blood splashed on the wall and the horses who trampled her under foot.”

    The worship of Baal, however, was far from finished in the kingdom, and many of his priests were still around.

    Guided by Jewish Prophet Elisha, Jehu announced that he, too, had become a devotee of Baal and was holding a great sacrifice in the big temple in the capital city.

    Jehu invited all the priests of Baal and saw to it that all of them assembled.

    Jehu’s armed guard fell on them suddenly and slaughtered them to the last man.

    The idols in the temple were brought out and burnt.

    The sacred poles were broken and the sacred pillars pulled down.

    The temple was turned into a lavatory.

    Jewish and Christian God Jehovah blessed the enterprise and confirmed the kingdom in the family of Jehu for four generations!

    Jewish Prophet Elisha lived thereafter a much satisfied man who had fulfilled his mission.

    And so on, the story snowballs through the rest of the books in the Bible.

    The common people in the two kingdoms relapse into polytheism and idol-worship, again and again!

    More Jewish prophets appear on the scene and do what Prophet Elijah and Prophet Elisha had done!

    Each succeeding Jewish and Christian prophet turns out to be a gangster greater than the preceding one.

    They curse and torment their own people, and invoke calamites on them.

    But as the people remain indifferent to them, Jewish prophets feel utterly helpless and console themselves by praying for the “Great Day” when the Lord Jehovah will destroy all other Gods together with those who worshiped them!





  7. Face_The_Truth says:

    Falsehoods Of Prophet Jesus & Falsehoods Of Christianism: The Origin Of Christianity

    Jewish and Christian God Jehovah himself had always been intemperate in his language vis-a-vis those who strayed away from the straight path so-called Monotheism.

    But as Jehovah feels more and more helpless in the face of his people’s “obstinacy”, Jehovah’s language becomes increasingly foul and ends by being downright obscene.

    Jehovah views the worship of other gods as adultery and fornication, and denounces both kingdoms as harlots given to willful whoredom!

    Jehovah addresses his prophet Ezekiel and says: “Son of man, cause Jerusalem to know her abominations.

    And it came to pass after all thy wickedness, that thou hast also built unto thee an eminent place and made thee a high place in every street, and hast opened thy feet to every one that passed, and multiplied thy whoredoms!

    Thou has also committed fornication with the Egyptians thy neighbours, great of flesh.

    They give gifts to all whores: but thou givest thy gifts to all thy lovers, and hirest them, that they may come unto thee from every side for thy whoredom!

    O harlot, hear the words of the Lord:

    Thus saith the Lord God: Because thy filthiness was poured out, and thy nakedness discovered through thy whoredoms with thy lovers, and with all the idols of thy abominations!

    I will gather all thy lovers with whom thou has taken pleasure. I will gather them round about against thee, and will discover thy nakedness unto them, that they may see all thy nakedness.

    And I will also give thee into their hands, and they shall stone thee with stones, and thrust thee through with their swords.

    And they shall bum thy houses with fire, and I will cause thee to cease from playing the harlot, and thou also shall give no hire any more.”

    In another message to the same prophet, Jehovah says, “Son of man, there were two women, the daughters of the same mother.

    And they committed whoredoms in Egypt; they committed whoredoms in their youth: there were their breasts pressed, and there they bruised the teats of their virginity.”

    Turning to Samaria, Jehovah pronounces: “Neither left she her whoredoms brought from Egypt: for in her youth they lay with her, and they bruised the breasts of her virginity, and poured their whoredoms upon her.”

    Coming back to Jerusalem, Jehovah’s language becomes filthier!

    “And when her sister saw this, she was more corrupt in her inordinate love than she, and in her whoredoms more than her sister in her whoredoms.

    For she doted upon their paramours whose flesh is as the flesh of asses and whose issue is like the issue of horses.”

    Jewish and Christian God Jehovah’s character, as portrayed in the Bible, can now be summed up.

    Jehovah behaves like a bully and a coward par excellence, apart from his proclaiming, again and again, that he is a hardened gangster who has committed many crimes.

    Jewish and Christian God Jehovah takes the whole credit every time the Jews are victorious and commit slaughter and rapine.

    But when the tables are turned on the Jews, Jehovah turns tail and blames the Jews for betraying him by worshiping other Gods.

    The Jews on their part try to return to Monotheism, and its concomitant, iconoclasm, again and again, on being admonished by their prophets.

    But their situation does not improve.

    Jews get defeated and enslaved successively by the Assyrians, the Babylonians, the Persians, the Mecedonians, the Seleucids, and the Romans!

    In the final round, the only country which they had occupied after making rivers of blood flow is lost to them for ever, and Jehovah’s only temple at Jerusalem is destroyed from the foundations, never to be built again.

    Jewish and Christian God Jehovah does not bat an eye.

    Jehovah remains unshaken in the hallucination that he is the Lord.

    Jehovah’s final volte-face on the Jews is simply breath-taking.

    Another self-appointed prophet named Jesus follows in the footsteps of his predecessors and harangues the Jews to repent, for the Last Day is drawing near.

    Prophet Jesus shows some miracles, collects crowds, and gets picked up by the Roman police as a disturber of peace!

    Jehovah does not lift his little finger to save his prophet from a cruel and shameful death; Jesus is crucified along with two common thieves.

    The prophets that follow beat their Lord’s record in double-talk!

    On the one hand, they pin down the crime of the Jews, so that this already tormented people gets subjected to repeated pogroms for two thousand years.

    On the other hand, they spread the abominable superstition that Jesus was the Christ who mounted the cross willingly and voluntarily in order to wash with his own blood the sins of mankind!

    Knavery, thy name is Jewish, Christian, and Islamic prophethood.





  8. Face_The_Truth says:

    Falsehoods Of Prophet Jesus & Falsehoods Of Christianism: The Origin Of Christianity

    Reading the Bible between the lines, however, one cannot resist the conclusion that Jehovah’s blessing as well as cursing is no more than wisdom by hindsight.

    Howsoever awsome Jewish God Jehovah may sound, particularly because Jehovah has been for a long time the God of nations with bigger guns, Jehovah remains a contrived creation of a closed and cruel theology mounted mechanically on purely mundane happening.

    Jehovah does not exist and has never existed outside that theology, neither in history nor in any high heaven.

    The only dwelling place which can be assigned to Jehovah is in the dark drives of human nature!

    Jehovah has possessed successively or Jehovah has been appropriated by some bandit formations bent upon wanton aggression in order to carve out predatory empires.

    The fact that these formations advertise themselves as the Church or the Ummah should deceive no one.

    Christianity which took over bodily the closed theology of Judaism committed the same crimes on a far more extensive scale.

    This is not the place to describe what the Christian theologians, Christian missionaries, and Christian swordsmen did to the Pagan people and their places of worship in Europe, Asia, Africa, the Americas, and the Oceania; for the present we are dealing with the Islamic theology of iconoclasm, and the Bible has come in because it is the source of that Islamic scourge.

    What we wish to point out is that in every case the Bible was Islamic guidebook.

    “The introduction of Christianity, and more especially its establishment in the Roman Empire in the fourth century of our era, proved the destruction of Pagan idols, however skilfully and elegantly formed.

    The crusade against the statues of Gods commenced in the latter part of the reign of Roman Emperor Constantine and continued gradually to advance, until under Theodosius the Younger it pervaded all parts of the Empire.

    Not that the Christians despised art or were incapable of appreciating aesthetic excellence, whether in painting or in sculpture, but their hostility to Pagan idols was wholly of a religious nature.”

    Nearer home and as late as the sixteenth century, “At least from 1540 onwards, and in the island of Goa before — that year, all the “Hindu” idols had been annihilated or had disappeared, all the “Hindu” temples had been destroyed and their sites and building material were in most cases utilized to erect new Christian churches and chapels.”

    A complete history of Christian iconoclasm world-wide has yet to be compiled.

    But judging from what we find scattered in the histories of Christianity in different countries, there is enough evidence that for a long time the Bible left a trail of devastation wherever it went.





  9. your journey to Christ was because of the NDE and spiritual experiences of others? ..

    Me: Christians bore witness,and I base my conversions,based on the experience of others,such as Perter,James and John,…and Jesus. I believe.Did Abraham repent of his sins,and was God wrong to accept him base on his faith in God then?

  10. There is an Eternity.Where we spend eternity is the truth we must confront.

  11. There are 300,000 to 350,000 Catholic priests, who practice celibacy. Less than one percent of this clergy had been involved in paedophile activities 1950 to 2009. Agreed, not a single priest is supposed to do this crime. Jesus is so angry with these type of people that he suggested capital punishment. “If anyone causes one of these little ones to stumble, it would be better for them to have a large millstone hung around their neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea”(Mathew 18:6) However man is weak. Satan is the prince of this world and had the audacity to demand Jesus, the Son Of God, to prostrate before him and venerate him. (Mathew 4:9) Satan is doing his job wonderfully. Practically everyone is falling into temptation, whether John Kennedy with Merlin Munro, or Bill Clinton with Monica, or Protestant married clergy, or Buddhist monks or Hindu priests. Knowing the Satan tricks Jesus said “The spirit indeed is willing but the flesh is weak therefore watch and pray” He taught us to pray “Lead us not into temptation but deliver us from evil (Satan)”
    Jesus speaks about celibacy “Some are born as eunuchs, some have been made eunuchs by others and there are those who choose to live like eunuchs for the sake of the Kingdom of Heaven. Let anyone accept this who can” (Mathew 19:12). Yes, the Catholic priests choose to live like eunuchs for the sake of the Kingdom of Heaven. Everyone who follows Jesus including Ali Sina, are constrained to pray for these priests.

  12. We should understand the mind of Ali Sina. He was a strong atheist for some time and if I remember correctly his name once appeared in one of Richard Dawkins’ books. Perhaps he would have maintained friendship with Dawkins and other atheists. When he accepted Jesus as Son of God through NDEs he found it difficult to explain his conversion to the atheists. For atheists hate the Bible. For them the God of the Bible has killed thousands of people including infants, children, women, and men. His command “Eye for an Eye”; the incest of Lot with his two daughters (Genesis 19:31-35); annihilation of homosexuals in Sodom and Gomorrah; six days of creation; etc are unacceptable. Ali Sina read the whole Bible three times and he couldn’t reject the good things in the Bible; perhaps the Psalm, the Proverbs and the prophecies that fulfilled in Jesus. So he started comparing the Bible with the gold mine, which has both dirt and gold. However I can see him through his articles as an evangelist. He is appealing to the atheists and humanists to believe in Jesus and disregarding the Bible. To a certain extent I agree with him. My way of believing the Bible is difficult to explain to the atheists, they will reject every word I utter but not with Ali Sina’s way.

  13. blitz2b says:

    Catholics are well intentioned however they need to steer away from some practices that contradict Christianity…

  14. Ali Sina is foolish if he thinks that 7.5 billion people can come to know Jesus the way he came to know Jesus. Billions of Bibles are sold and Millions of Christian oriented NGOs and 700,000 Catholic nuns are working round the clock because of the Churches. I will appreciate Ali Sina if he came to know Jesus from the African jungle.
    The positive thing about the RC Church is that it has the capacity to correct its mistakes and to regenerate itself through Vatican Councils as it came through Reformation, Renaissance etc. The last Vatican council, with 5000 bishops under one roof, proclaimed that there is salvation outside the Catholic Church; unbaptised children would go to heaven etc. The Church has already taken the decision to excommunicate the paedophile priests. It is more or less like and democratic establishment without general election.
    No one can deny the fact that the Pope John Paul II worked hard along with President Reagan in bringing down the powerful communist Soviet Union. Both Reagan and the Pope were shot at close range but they survived by the power of God. It was the Pope who mediated between America and Cuba and brought freedom to Cuba. It was the Pope who visited Jerusalem and apologised for the injustice and the persecution done to the Jews, thus bringing down antisemitism to a great extent. Now Israel is recruiting Christians into their military.

  15. I agree with Ali that Jesus was irreligious but disagree that He did not start a religion. Jesus established the church. In His interview with his 12 directors, Peter answered first and correctly “You are the Christ, Son of the Living God” (Mathew 16:16) Thus Peter was appointed as the head of the Church. As Jesus said “on this rock I will build my church and all the powers of hell will not overcome it” (18) Is it not a miracle that the Church continue its reign continuously for the last 2000 years without any brake/obstacles.
    I am critical of the Catholic Church as it gives importance to hundreds of saints and many Catholics are devotees of Saints like St. Anthony etc. The R. C Church concentrates more on piety and less on scripture. Belgium Cardinal Suenz is correct when he said “We Catholics have been sacrementalized not Evangelised” St. Jerome said that if the Catholics do not have the knowledge of the Gospels, they are not Christians. The Church with 1.2 billion members is far behind the Evangelical churches in spreading the Gospels.

  16. blitz2b says:

    “….Ofcourse you can! But remember always that you got your bible from the Church….”

    I never will my friend, that is why although I don’t agree with all of the doctrines of the Catholic Church I still call myself a catholic…

    I can relate more with evangelicals but still go for mass….. Did Christ not come to abolish all forms of religious ritual burdens? He as God incarnate, ate, drank and mingled with sinners, porosities and tax collectors. What then gives me, a mere human the right to judge others who proclaim Christ as their Lord and Savior as being ones on the wrong path simply because I don’t agree with their other secondary doctrines?

    Do we not all as Christians accept Christ’s sacrifice on the cross as the ultimate payment for all our iniquities? If not… for me then, did Christ die in vain?

    In an age where souls are lost to false cancerous doctrines like Islam and self gratification ones like atheism our real battles should be fought out there rather than pretty in house squabbles.

    Jesus Christ should be our head and love for each other should be in our hearts…. Adhering to what Christ himself teaches…. “… Love one another …. and they will know you are mine..”

    In Christ..

  17. A.H. says:

    Dear Blitz2b,

    You wrote:
    ” I don’t see why a Catholic can’t be a born again Christian”

    Ofcourse you can! But remember always that you got your bible from the Church.


  18. blitz2b says:

    “The Church Jesus founded is one, holy, catholic (universal) and apostolic.”

    If the Catholic Church is supposed to be “universal” why are you claiming it’s exclusivity?
    Are not the central tenets of all Christian denominations the death burial and resurrection of Jesus? Do we not all believe in the divinity of Jesus? Do we not all profess that Jesus died for our sins and that of the world?

    Why do we need the Church which is the body to replace the head which is Christ? Why is the catholic church placing other mediators (itself) other than Jesus between God and man?

    If we are the collective church are the body, then let’s embrace our differences as parts of a body but not allow our ego to take over and try to replace Christ as our head with the Catholic Church, or else it could very well become the gates of hell that Christ warned us against.

    I don’t see why a Catholic can’t be a born again Christian… Is that not what Jesus said was required? “…. Unless you are not born again you cannot enter the kingdom…” (Paraphrasing)

  19. A.H. says:

    Dear Blitz2b

    “I’m almost certain you are implying this ” church” is the Catholic Church”

    The Church Jesus founded is one, holy, catholic (universal) and apostolic. It is based on the apostles, to be more specific, as per Mathew 16, 18 on Peter. Jesus did not establish for example the Reformed, Baptist or Methodist churches and all the other denominations which did arise in the course of the centuries. The Church Jesus founded is still existing, in Mathew 16 he promised that the gates of hell will not prevail against it.

    “Imagine this the grand St. Peter’s basilica was constructed on the monies collected from ” indulgences” sold”.

    You can see it as a giant welfare project. People had work for years and years. The Body of Christ is a collection of saints and sinners. There were corruptions but the doctrine of indulgenses has never been abolished.

    “S were encouraged to remain illiterate so that the clergy could rule over them with divine order.”

    Bible reading became popular after the invention of the printing press when books became affordable. Yes there is a divine order to rule over the faithful in John 21:15-17 for example where Jesus even three times asked Peter to feed his lambs and to feed his sheep. In the early Church we see this order, while some apostles were still alive, was extended to the successors of Peter.

    ‘Are you telling me that this same church possesses the ” truth” more than the bible could simply because we interpret it differently?”

    Let me explain, as you know the teachings of Jesus were spread all over the ancient world by oral Tradition (most people were illiterate) before the New Testament even was written down. God or Jesus did not distribute bibles. Decades later there was an written Tradition in the Church and these writtings were for the Church. Until the end of the fourth century, and beginning of the fifth century the Church compiled the NT and canonised it. In disputes for example about the Trinity and the divinty of Christ the Church had the final word and were settled long before the NT was available.

    “Yet the Catholic Church is a works based denomination. Can you please explain why?”

    Remember James 2: 17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

    Below you will find some interesting links about this topic.

    Keep in mind the Church is not a denomination, it is established by Jesus.

    “Why do we need good works to gain eternal life, when Christ’s sacrifice on the cross was more than enough?”

    Colossians 1: 24 Paul writes: I am now rejoicing in my sufferings for your sake, and in my flesh I am completing what is lacking in Christ’s afflictions for the sake of his body, that is, the Church.

    “BTW, I’m Catholic…”

    You sound like a Protestant, I will not be surprised that you are a born again Christian.



  20. blitz2b says:

    A.H writes “….That is why we need the Church founded by Jesus to understand what it means. Not to the preachers you mentioned but to the Church he founded was Jesus` promise to keep it in all truth….”

    Dear A.H,
    I’m almost certain you are implying this ” church” is the Catholic Church… In fact I will agree with you that the Catholic Church streamlined the true teachings of Jesus for a time… The doctrines if not passed down by the original church leaders would be lost… However over the centuries and through various stages of history corruption crept into the church of Christ…. Imagine this the grand St. Peter’s basilica was constructed on the monies collected from ” indulgences” sold. S were encouraged to remain illiterate so that the clergy could rule over them with divine order.

    Are you telling me that this same church possesses the ” truth” more than the bible could simply because we interpret it differently? That is absolutely an absurd notion.

    Christ reminded St. Paul during his bouts of physical anguish “… My grace is enough for you..” Yet the Catholic Church is a works based denomination. Can you please explain why?

    Why do we need good works to gain eternal life, when Christ’s sacrifice on the cross was more than enough?

    BTW, I’m Catholic…

  21. A.H. says:

    Dear Blitz2b

    You wrote:

    “Because you simply cannot discard every preacher in Christ as a charlatan….”

    Don`t get me wrong, these preachers are serious and faithful people, but is it true what they are saying.
    There are nowadays almost 40,000 christian denominatios with different, even opposite, doctrines distracted from the bible.

    “as your line of questioning seems to insinuate”

    Sorry I apologize, it was not my intension to insinuate, but what I meant is this: for a christian the bible is the word of God, if God is Thruth, his word must be thruth too. But there are millions of opinions about the bible. What must I believe.

    The scriptural references of 1 Peter 3:21 and John 3:5 seem to describe pretty magical events. Is it gold or is it dirt. That is why we need the Church founded by Jesus to understand what it means. Not to the preachers you mentioned but to the Church he founded was Jesus` promise to keep it in all truth. According to 1 Timothy 3:15 is not the bible but the Church the bulwark of truth.

    Here below you wil find an interesting link of an historical overview of baptism.


  22. blitz2b says:

    A H wrote “…How do you know?…”

    Because you simply cannot discard every preacher in Christ as a charlatan … Of course I don’t pretend to know everything, as your line of questioning seems to insinuate, you necessarily have to investigate and compare what they teach with the teachings of Jesus in the Gospels…

    I realize in the eyes of God we are a fallen people, I was merely giving humanity the benefit of the doubt….

    Thanks for the scriptural references you provided, however none absolutely guarantee that with the ritual of water baptism the induction of the Holy Spirit occurs. Yes no doubt the beginning of a new life, or a welcoming into the Christian family….. As I mentioned, never once a mention of an automated system of the pouring in of the Holy Spirit…. Correct me if I’m wrong.

    Can you point out where in scripture any of the disciples of Jesus were baptized by water?
    Pentecost in actuality was the baptism of fire and the Holy Spirit that transformed timid men into fearless messengers who took the message of Christ’s salvation to the ends of the earth.

    In several instances there is a mention of the formula of baptism … Father son and Holy Spirit, however there are others that only mention baptism in the name of Jesus.

    I am really not disputing you and I also mentioned this to Umer that nothing is impossible for the Spirit however to suggest that we could receive the gift of the Spirit without true repentance simply by water baptism is unbiblical.

  23. A.H. says:

    Blitz2b wrote:

    “There are many apologists and preachers who convey the true message of Christ”.

    How do you know?

    “So in essence there is no magical event that happens after the ritual of water baptism”.

    But what about 1 Peter 3:21 which reads: The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us.

    And John 3:5: Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

    Here below you will find in brief what the historical Church believes for 2000 years about baptism.

    Christian initiation is accomplished by three sacraments together: Baptism which is the beginning of new life; Confirmation which is its strengthening; and the Eucharist which nourishes the disciple with Christ’s Body and Blood for his transformation in Christ.

    “Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you” ( Mt 28:19-20).

    Baptism is birth into the new life in Christ. In accordance with the Lord’s will, it is necessary for salvation, as is the Church herself, which we enter by Baptism.

    The essential rite of Baptism consists in immersing the candidate in water or pouring water on his head, while pronouncing the invocation of the Most Holy Trinity: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

    The fruit of Baptism, or baptismal grace, is a rich reality that includes forgiveness of original sin and all personal sins, birth into the new life by which man becomes an adoptive son of the Father, a member of Christ and a temple of the Holy Spirit. By this very fact the person baptized is incorporated into the Church, the Body of Christ, and made a sharer in the priesthood of Christ.

    Baptism imprints on the soul an indelible spiritual sign, the character, which consecrates the baptized person for Christian worship. Because of the character Baptism cannot be repeated.

    Those who die for the faith, those who are catechumens, and all those who, without knowing of the Church but acting under the inspiration of grace, seek God sincerely and strive to fulfill his will, are saved even if they have not been baptized.

    Since the earliest times, Baptism has been administered to children, for it is a grace and a gift of God that does not presuppose any human merit; children are baptized in the faith of the Church. Entry into Christian life gives access to true freedom.

    With respect to children who have died without Baptism, the liturgy of the Church invites us to trust in God’s mercy and to pray for their salvation.

    In case of necessity, any person can baptize provided that he have the intention of doing that which the Church does and provided that he pours water on the candidate’s head while saying: “I baptize you in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.”

  24. A.H. says:

    Ali Sina wrote:
    “Jesus was irreligious”.

    An assertion, evidence please!

    “Bible is a mixed bag of truth and fiction”.

    But what is true and what is fiction in the bible, men will come to different, even opposite, conclusions. Even scholars will not agree with each other.

    “I see the Bible as a mine rich in precious metals and gems, which contains also plenty of dirt. Ignore the dirt and mine the gems”.

    Again what is gold and what is dirt in the bible.

    “He did not start a religion”.

    Agreed, but as per Mathew 16.18 after Peter confessed that Jesus is the Son of the living God, Jesus founded a Church and appointed a leader who got power to bind and loose. He even promised that the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

    Perhaps this is dirt for you, but it was gold for the early Church, history shows ( and that`s objective) that there is an unbroken line through the ages of successors of Peter-by laying on hands- from its inception to this very day.

    “Vatican is, as it has always been, the seat of Lucifer on earth”.

    Yeah, and the pope is the Anti-Christ and Rome is the Whore of Babylon.

    You sound like a fundamental Protest-ant, or hides the Muslim still inside.

  25. Walter Sieruk says:

    To Umer Deen, actually I agree with you that engaging in research to find out truth is a good idea . For to accept someone claim, be he a clerics or not, about what is true without checking out the facts in an objective method is folly. For to believe any claim made ,as in to take that clam in face value is being shallow , unintelligent and unthinking and thus being gullible and naive. For he Bible does instruct “A wise man inquires into a matter but a fool believe every word.” Proverbs 14:15.

  26. Umer Deen says:

    Thank you for the response blitz2b.

  27. blitz2b says:

    Umer Deen wrote “….I need to understand the relationship between Holy Spirit and Baptism….”

    Welcome to the faith brother Umer.

    It is important to understand that there is a clear distinction between rituals in Islam and Christianity. Baptism may represent a welcoming ritual into the faith in Christianity just as the shadaah is in Islam. There is no reason to expect the Holy Spirit to be introduced into your life at this point, although it is not impossible.

    John the Baptist told his disciples “… I am baptising you with water, but the one who is to come (referring to Jesus) will baptise you with the Holy Spirit and fire…”

    That is exactly what happened at Pentecost with the disciples of Jesus, they received the Holy Spirit who transformed their lives utterly.

    So in essence there is no magical event that happens after the ritual of water baptism, however one has to consciously work toward the goal of genuine repentance and while constantly studying the word of God.

    Jesus never told his disciples to go into the world and convert people but to make disciples (students) of them…

    May God help you in your quest to receive his Spirit.

  28. Umer Deen says:

    Walter, In my experience with Muslims, no fundamental Islamist cleric has spoken about the negatives of Islam. I found out the negatives of Islam after 9-11, on my own. I am very doubtful about preachers of all religions. Religion has become big business. Wherever their is money corruption follows. Before I take the first step, I have a tendency to do more research. I need to understand the relationship between Holy Spirit and Baptism.

  29. Walter Sieruk says:

    To answer the question of Umer Deen. How about an visiting a pastor of an Independent fundamentalist Bible based church or other kind of Fundamentalist Bible based church as a Alliance church or Brethren church . Did you her ears about Dr Stanley ? His site is http://www.intouch.org

  30. blitz2b says:

    Face_The_Truth says…

    “…hanging on the gallows for the crime(s) of sedition against the Roman authorities 2000 years ago…”


    53 Who has believed our message
    and to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?
    2 He grew up before him like a tender shoot,
    and like a root out of dry ground.
    He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him,
    nothing in his appearance that we should desire him.
    3 He was despised and rejected by mankind,
    a man of suffering, and familiar with pain.
    Like one from whom people hide their faces
    he was despised, and we held him in low esteem.
    4 Surely he took up our pain
    and bore our suffering,
    yet we considered him punished by God,
    stricken by him, and afflicted.
    5 But he was pierced for our transgressions,
    he was crushed for our iniquities;
    the punishment that brought us peace was on him,
    and by his wounds we are healed.
    6 We all, like sheep, have gone astray,
    each of us has turned to our own way;
    and the Lord has laid on him
    the iniquity of us all.
    7 He was oppressed and afflicted,
    yet he did not open his mouth;
    he was led like a lamb to the slaughter,
    and as a sheep before its shearers is silent,
    so he did not open his mouth.
    8 By oppression[a] and judgment he was taken away.
    Yet who of his generation protested?
    For he was cut off from the land of the living;
    for the transgression of my people he was punished.[b]
    9 He was assigned a grave with the wicked,
    and with the rich in his death,
    though he had done no violence,
    nor was any deceit in his mouth.
    10 Yet it was the Lord’s will to crush him and cause him to suffer,
    and though the Lord makes[c] his life an offering for sin,
    he will see his offspring and prolong his days,
    and the will of the Lord will prosper in his hand.
    11 After he has suffered,
    he will see the light of life[d] and be satisfied[e];
    by his knowledge[f] my righteous servant will justify many,
    and he will bear their iniquities.
    12 Therefore I will give him a portion among the great,[g]
    and he will divide the spoils with the strong,[h]
    because he poured out his life unto death,
    and was numbered with the transgressors.
    For he bore the sin of many,
    and made intercession for the transgressors….”

    Was Paul’s pseudonym Isaiah…?

  31. Walter Sieruk says:

    About the this article about Jesus being the Son of God .As in the Son of God, Who is God the Father.
    First , is a person reads the New Testament he or she will find that Christians are sometimes referred to as son’s of God . Yet with a small “s” Jesus ,in contrast, is the Son of God printed in with a capital “S.”
    Furthermore in the KING JAMES VERSION and THE NEW KING JAMES VERSION God gave His “only begotten Son…” John 3:16. This word “Begotten” is not used in the typical human sense but the meaning of Unique the Only one of His kind. ” Indeed Jesus is the only one of His kind. As Jesus taught concerning Himself. “I am the way the,the truth and the life;: no one comes to the Father expect by Me.”
    So the claim and case is clear cut .In that just fence siting is not an option . As a fence sitting statement is “Jesus was a good man by no the only way to heaven.” That’s an absurd and nonsensical thing to say “For Jesus in is claim of being the only way to heaven makes Him either One true and only Savior of humans or by contrast He is a liar and a fake. In other words , with Jesus there is no middle ground. He is everything He say’s He is or he is the most deceptive hoaxer and liar that had ever walked on the earth.

  32. Umer Deen says:

    I am an ex-muslim. I live in USA and have accepted Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior. I call myself a disciple of Jesus. I have so far not been baptized or entered a church for prayers. I can take my time to carefully select a church, but what bothers me most is Baptism. Baptism was done by two very major religious figures, Jesus was baptized by John the Baptist. Should I be baptized ? Where and by whom ? Will the Holy Spirit enter someone without Baptism ?

  33. Walter Sieruk says:

    In the about article a rather strange statement was “I always loved Jesus but regarded him a mythological figure ,no different than Santa Clause.” This leads to something a bit different than my other essays. Meaning that with that statement about Jesus being viewed as “no different then Santa Clause.” The following essay is therefore very appropriate.
    This past Christmas season with many decorations of glitter, one of which is that fictional fantasy non-entity called Santa Claus. Some Christians agree and some don’t that this third level myth is of no value and is even terrible. Only worthless mythical character that distracts and subverts the center of focus from the God -Man Jesus to valueless character of fiction, Santa Claus. For example during the 1960’s when I was eleven I was taken to a Presbyterian church Christmas social. The minister of that church gave no mention of Jesus but had a man come into the room as the guest of honor .He was dressed up and Santa Claus
    Furthermore, some Christians have, well spoken, when they had said the Santa Claus is a type of Anti-Christ. Meaning a usurper of Christ or a Christ –like substitute. After all, Jesus taught many good values. This substitute for Jesus, [S.C.] wants little girls and boys to be good and rewards them for it. Also, in the Bible Jesus had great power and performed miracles. Likewise ,this usurper [S.C.] has great magical powers .As to visit with gifts the homes of millions of people in one night. A further example of this myth character being a Jesus usurper who is god- like is the song HERE COMES SANTA CLAUS one of the lines in that song is “He doesn’t care if your rich or poor he loves you just the same….” What blasphemy .that sounds, very much, like Jesus ! Then there is the other song in which some of the lyrics are “He knows when you are sleeping, he knows when your awake , he knows when you are bad or good so be good for goodness sake…” Now this clown [S.C.] is all-knowing, as in god-like .
    The very worst of all was on Yahoo new which ran a tragic story about a small terminally ill child who died in the arms of an actor playing the role of Santa Claus. In other words that was a news story of a child who dies in that that usurper arms [S.C.] and not in the arms of Jesus. In short Christians should feel nothing but disdain and abhorrence about that fictional character Santa Claus.

  34. blitz2b says:

    I understand that many churches teach man made doctrines, however they are truly some Bible based ones if you do some investigation.

    Ali your analogy of not throwing the baby with the bathwater rings true even here. There are many apologists and preachers who convey the true message of Christ.

    If you get a chance please check out Ravi Zacharias ministries, Dr. Nabeel Qureshi, Abdu Murray, Dr. John Lennox, Hugh Ross and Dr. Rana at – reasons.org.

    These gentlemen give good sound and scientific reasons for believing in the God of the Bible.

  35. Face_The_Truth says:

    Ali Muhammad Amir Abd’Allah Umar Salehi ibn Sina was a born-Muslim, but refused to accept Muhammad the Arabian Bastard as the “Prophet of Almighty Allah”, and rather accepted a dead Nazarene Jew who was a son of a Jewish whore based on our all historical records — hanging on the gallows for the crime(s) of sedition against the Roman authorities 2000 years ago — as his new “Savior” because of Ali Muhammad Amir Abd’Allah Umar Salehi ibn Sina’s all sorts of “Near Death Experience(s)”.

    For the rests of my readers — if I have anyone left now after my so many disgusting, un-readable posts on this FaithFreedom.Org website — I can tell one thing for sure that it is indeed a great leap forward for a born-Muslim like Ali Muhammad Amir Abd’Allah Umar Salehi ibn Sina to change his faith from Islam to Christianity.

    Jumping from one falsehood to another falsehood is the way to go!

    MAZEL TOV!!!




    Jesus was a Nazarene Jew and supported the Jewish laws and traditions, though Jesus might have softened some of the more stringent rules!

    Nevertheless, if you DO NOT observe the Halakha, the collective body of Jewish religious laws, you cannot consider yourself to be a follower of Jesus.

    If you DO NOT attend a synagogue, you cannot be a follower of Jesus.

    If you DO NOT observe the Sabbath, from Friday evening to Saturday evening, you cannot be a follower of Jesus.

    If you DO NOT observe the requirement of circumcision, you cannot be a follower of Jesus.

    If you DO NOT observe the Kosher dietary rules, you cannot be a follower of Jesus.

    TO SUMMARIZE, you can consider yourself to be a Christian, but you are not a follower of Jesus.

    If Jesus could observe your life, Jesus would NOT consider you to be his disciple.

    You are NOT a follower of the real Jesus.

    Instead, YOU ARE a follower of the fictional Jesus created by Paul (i.e., Jewish Saul the Proven Liar), the Christian Gospel authors, the Roman Emperor Constantine, and all the Popes, and all the Christian religious leaders over the past 20 centuries.

  36. Lizzie says:

    Christ is the only truth and way to God and this will be made plain in three years time when he returns to the Earth.
    I visited my usual church this morning for a service and we had a lay preacher. He is just the sort of person who is closing down churches and repelling worshippers. Boring ego trip, mainly about how special HE is. He even compared himself to Christ in his narrative.
    In spite of this I think going to the Christian church is very important and this man today is a minority in his delivery as most of the preachers at this mid-week service are very mindful of making their love of Christ meaningful.
    I thank God for sending his only beloved Son to the Earth to show man the way to his Father.

  37. Rosita says:

    ” Vatican is, as it has always been, the seat of Lucifer on earth.”
    I thought the Mecca is the seat of Lucifer.

  38. This is true about religion, all religions, and I smile and my heart rings with His Prescence remembering all the times He has been with me since I was a very small child and He showed Himself where He was when I felt so lost and alone..He was there. I love every word He has written in the beautiful scriptures of the Old and New Testament Oracles He has left as a Lamp unto our feet. I have seen many fall out of the Churches into His arms and have seen many shunned by them who chose mens’ doctrines instead of His Words to us, and those who held His Words above all. Learning more and more each day of the terrible things done to truth and His breadcrumbs left to us from the books of the Bible, Enoch, Jubilees, Noah, Jasher, and Jesus and the Holy Spirit who call us to follow, I am humbled that He left His messages in them and in His children Jews and Gentiles to show us the Way back tour Father, I simply must rejoice that the truth is coming forth as my Yeshua/Jesus calls
    to still set people free even in these last few days of the age of mans’ evil greedy rule upon the earth and I can no longer help but rejoice in His Wonderful Grace and love and kindness to us who sought Him not but He Loved us so much that He gave His only begotten Son Jesus/Jeshua that whosoever believes in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life…I find this the most incredible gate that opens to all people who call upon Him to save them no matter where they are. I have seen many die…those who have despised and hated and go out yelling the same as they have lived…even when I knew Him not personally and nursed them I knew they went to hell, but, all those who have died or have responded to His call or heard His message and asked Him to save them…their passing over the veil was an entirely different thing…and I, but, watched them leave waiting on this side…calling others to Him and praying for so many in this world…I know Him each morning, each day, each night and am so grateful for our Father who did not leave us to Satan and his minions and men who work their hatred to call as many to his hatred as they can, but, churches don’t matter for those who do not follow Him…what matters is that we each know Him and follow Him and have Him in our hearts to guide us to the last day to His soon return. Thank you for your story.

  39. stanley says:

    Hi Ali, So from your story above do I deduce correctly that your journey to Christ was because of the NDE and spiritual experiences of others? Did you or did you not admit that you are a sinner, in need of a Saviour and that Christ is that Saviour? After all the sole purpose of Christ’s mission was to redeem sinners and bring us to the Father.
    If there is no repentance from your part, in what sense, may I ask that you are a follower of Jesus Christ?

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