Does the Quran sanction wife beating?

No body but allah can change the contents of qrand! But pickthall changes and gives a different meaning to by putting words with in brackets to mislead!
I was speaking to a muslimah and asked her if it's true that her god says man can beat her.She as horrified as she was asked the question in the presence of other moslems! Some how I escaped further action .Later muslimah said that yes the devil allah wants men to beat us and what can we do??
Allah the pimp asked his client mohammad to beta his women and the followers of dalal do exactly that.The beating is not lightly though as in brackets!

Question is: Could Allah have given such an open and obnoxious permission to men to beat, and not to have sex with, those women who depend on them for their survival?
Allah sanctions stoning of a deemed adulteress, as a rape victim automatically becomes an adulteress when she cannot produce 4 pious muslims who saw the act of penetration. To be stoned, she has to be buried atleast upto her waist / neck so that she cannot run away. The stone size is also prescribed, big enough to hurt her but not big enough to kill her (with one stone). Then pious muslims gather and with the chant of allah-ho-akbar, begin their act of stoning her, until she dies.
Sorry, what were we discussing about is, muslim men beating the women who are under his control. This matter looks so trivial after what is discussed above, anyway would you have any doubt after stoning?
Wanted to discuss honor killing, but that would be off topic once again...

Mr PK, the moment a muslima responded with such escapist answer, it's the brainwashing taking place. she may dislike and hesitate about this barbaric injunction, but the moment she thinks about the quran being god's word and her supposed obedience to god will eliminate any potential protest gushing out of her conscience. she will say that this is god's commandment, thus she is to comply. dont you pity such creature Mr PK? i bet you would. what should we do? making fun of them? of course not.

Mr PK must tell her that wife beating may occur in every community, not exclusively in islamic one. HOWEVER, quran is the holy book accepted by muslims and sanctioned this practice. thus, something must be wrong here that induce the translator to put the imaginary bracket with the word "light beating". the word 'Fadhribuuhun' means to beat in Arabic and the Arabs understood beating as something of violent one, not the soft one. if the muslima then reply that the beating is justified and deserved due to their disobedience, then ask her what if the husband becoming disobedient? can the wife beat him? if she is perplexed, tell her that this god of the quran is showing favouritism to the husband. then try to generalize the situation to the islamic community in which the wife beating is so rampant and the beater feel justified to do so without hesitation. there must be something improper here.

for sure, the muslima will have trace of doubt in her heart and may become potential apostate. will you able to do it Mr PK?

Humanity is but one family. :)

Every community has this wife beating instances. How truely spoken.But no religion but islam has raised this wife beating act to the level of godly and kind act.Do you realise that at all? It's inhuman to beat the wife/women for what ever reason, but to say that there is a god who is kind and merciful and who allows this wife beating is what we are against.I have daughters and I am worried if they marry the scum bag moslems.
Allah the pimp did say that beat the wife.Scourge her and out of pity this convert pickthal adds brackets every where ( beat her lightly, with a tooth brush, with a green stick not iron rod etc) Being born in a moslem family are you not embarassed about the qrand at all? I would be and i would oppose tooth and nail qrand
Moslems in India have a serious problem.
They are compelled by the mullahs, politicians of secular hue please, community leaders etc to be obedient to islam, follow islam and not question any thing.that makes them even more ignorant and helpless.Get out and get the crap qrand out and wipe your back side with it.teach your children and your women.Educate them and see the effect of a really free brain not shackled to the qrand.You follow the silly stupid,idiotic qrand not knowing what is in it.the mullahs know and still want you and your women to remain illiterates.Teach every moslimah to read.I would if I can, suckilng her breasts or not immaterial

I'm a muslim woman and no, "wife beating" is not aloud. I have never been beat nor do I know any other muslimas who have been beat by their husbands or anybody else. Maybe there are some CULTURES that allow abuse to take place, but it is in NO way allowed in Islam. My next door neighbor used to beat his wife and kids and he wasn't muslim. Stuff is going to happen no matter where you are. Wake up people.

Islamic marriage is nothing but an institutional prostitution. The contract is in between women and the customer. Customer pays the service charge some times 50% advance or even 100% advance as they know it “Mahr”. The customer enjoys the right to approach from any direction any time and to beat lightly if the women are not agreed according to the customer’s desire.

This is just like any other business contract and the matter of the contractors solely. Why the westerners want to raise hue and cry while they are completely ignorant of the contract terms which are always agreed by the woman and customer or by the family of the woman on behalf of her and the customer? Naturally, customer would enjoy better rights since he is paying for that. Do you want to take it away and give the right to the woman to beat the customer? Do you think there will be any business of this kind after that? Westerners are always doing conspiracy to show islam mean and to ruin it. Now you are after this Islamic family business? We know very clearly, it is jewish conspiracy against the deen of Allah and muslim will not buy it ever. Allahu Akber.

There are temporary marriages also known as mutta/mysiar marriages, which can be of any agreed duration.
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Ms. Brooke Fairouz seems to be the new Taquiah Tactician on the block. Welcome to FFI ma'am.

Mrs Brooke Fairouz, thank you for your comment,

Do you mind looking up verse 4:34 in the Qur'an and tell me it does not sanction wife beating?
I actually researched this topic myself and published three articles on this subject. If you look in this site under authors (to your left) and click on it, and check my articles (Ibn Kammuna), I have two articles on Wife Beating in Islam. I provided evidence from Hadith and Qur'an. Please check them out.
The simple fact is Mr. Mohammad Asghar is a fine researcher of high calibre. he is honest to find the truth in Islam, and nothing else. All of the research he did and i read is just great and truthful. Peace

Ms. Fairouz, kindly let us know what you think. Please remember we are studying Islamic teachings, not what your husband does with you. Thanks

#5 Men beat their wives yes but Islam's god told Muslims to Beat you. Islam is the only religion that says BEAT WIVES. Stop making excuses by using what somone else did or didnt do to justify your words. Sura 4:34 says beat wives. I know muslimahs who killed their husbands and said no beating on me! They left islam as they actually read the Quran.

Islam has temporary marriages which we call prostitution and there is nothing you muslimahs can do about it. All you will do is tell us what someone else did. If someone else jumped off the bridge will you jump also. Of course you will and then blame them!

Hijab gives her peace??? Ofcourse.The full veiling gives her freedom! Freedom to wear nothing underneath!
Have we not heard all these lame excuses before from men moslems and muslimahs?
Hijab is a sign of assertion. I feel closer to allah wearing the hijab. blahblah

@Brooke Fairouz

Can you provide us with some evidence of what you just said? A few Hadiths or some verses in the quran, or some figures from Islamic countries where women are given the kind of respect which you claim they are?

Muhammad even beat Aisha for having a picture on the wall. she was a child with dolls.

Ibrahim,
I don't see you much in the forum Any reason why you avoid the forum?

Thanks

I am taking Islamic classes as well and we have gone over this topic SO many times. Theres an item in the Quran where it say to "tap your wife gently, as to gain her attention", it dosn't say grab a shoe and beat her senseless. You all are taking these way too far. If you sit with an Islamic scholar and have him explain then to you then you'd understand. You've never taped anyone on the shoulder or arm to get their attention? We have many groups against spousal abuse here in my city. We have found that it occurs in one particular culture which I will not name here, but really, if Islam allowed the abuse of women why are more women reverting to Islam than any other religion? :)

#14 Women are NOT reverting or converting to Islam. You cut little girls virgina out and you call it LOVE. WaS YOUR VAGINA CUT OUT. dID YOUR CLASSES TELL YOU THAT. dID YOUR CLASSES TELL YOU THAT mUHAMMAD SLAPPED aISHA FOR HAVING A PICTURE ON THE WALL. Women convert because of theri men from prison. The smooth talking men who use savvy to convert women as wives then Islam. Muslim men can marry anyone but not you. Is that fair? Muslim men can have 4 wives and as many temp wives as they wish! If they can pay for them screw them at will.

All Islamic scholars say pdophilia is holy in Islam. Sex with babies is holy as mo screwed Aisha at nine and thighed her from age 6-9. Muslim men can have sex with animaLS and smoke weed but not drink wine when Moses said drink wine and so did Jesus.

#14 What culture is that? American culture, Islamic culture? Hindu culture or Shinto culture? Muslims now have shelter for abused women. Did you know that Muslim women are abused by Muslim men and now have to have their own holy shelters. They scare the infidel kids with the witch like outfits. They look like the wicked witches of the east, like the nuns used to look. The kids are afraid of them. Islam allows men to beat women so why go to a shelter, just take the beating as it is so holy!

"Theres an item in the Quran where it say to “tap your wife gently, as to gain her attention”.

Any sane human know how to greet someone politely (gentle tap). Humans don't need quran to know such thing. The problem is the beating is sanctioned. as far as i know if you beat someone it must hurt. There is no such thing as light beating.

Can anyone explain what is light beating really means? Do you mean like shadow boxing for training?

#18 looooooooooooooooooooooooooool. It means beat them so bad they never forget. Ask the Muslimahs who now live in homeless shelters

So muslimah is considered as sand bag for muslim man. No wonder boxer like mike tyson or muh. ali converted to islam. Maybe they didn't get enough training in the gym, so they want to train in their home also.

the word that appears in Quran is beat. Some translators have added "lightly" in brackets because they felt ashamed of such a rule. In original Quran, the word is beat them and we all know what beating means. If it were supposed ot mean tap them, then why not use that word.

Proudkafir wrote:

Hijab gives her peace??? Ofcourse.The full veiling gives her freedom! Freedom to wear nothing underneath!
Have we not heard all these lame excuses before from men moslems and muslimahs?
Hijab is a sign of assertion. I feel closer to allah wearing the hijab. blahblah

Freedom? What freedom? In Egypt 80% of Muslim women reported being sexually harassed by Men. In Iran and other Islamic countries women are raped regardless of the fact they are covered from head to toe.

Brook Fairouz:

I am taking Islamic classes as well and we have gone over this topic SO many times. Theres an item in the Quran where it say to “tap your wife gently, as to gain her attention”, it dosn’t say grab a shoe and beat her senseless. You all are taking these way too far. If you sit with an Islamic scholar and have him explain then to you then you’d understand. You’ve never taped anyone on the shoulder or arm to get their attention? We have many groups against spousal abuse here in my city. We have found that it occurs in one particular culture which I will not name here, but really, if Islam allowed the abuse of women why are more women reverting to Islam than any other religion? :)

LOL.

Why are women converting to Islam? 1. Many of them have low self-esteem and that by wearing a headscarf and other clothes, they don't have to worry about their looks or appearance. 2. Because some women are more comfortable with a male as the breadwinner and head of the household ( which is the model of many Muslim households ) instead of the modern of the independent woman. 3. Because they married a Muslim. 4. When it comes to spirituality many people leave their intelligence at the front door.

Moooo wrote:

Can anyone explain what is light beating really means? Do you mean like shadow boxing for training?

It means slap them around.

Brook Fairouz:

I am taking Islamic classes as well and we have gone over this topic SO many times. Theres an item in the Quran where it say to “tap your wife gently, as to gain her attention”, it dosn’t say grab a shoe and beat her senseless. You all are taking these way too far. If you sit with an Islamic scholar and have him explain then to you then you’d understand. You’ve never taped anyone on the shoulder or arm to get their attention? We have many groups against spousal abuse here in my city. We have found that it occurs in one particular culture which I will not name here, but really, if Islam allowed the abuse of women why are more women reverting to Islam than any other religion?

First give them the equal right similar to the man, and than talk about Taping to gain the attention. When you have a husband and his four or more wives in the same house than they all will be ready to do any bitchy/filthy kind of thing to get your attention instead as they feel out of self esteem. First stop justifying the Prostitution in the name of Marriage by allowing more than one wife at a time in Islam.

Dear Brook fairouz
first, verse 4:34 says clearly "beat them". There is no lightly or a gentle tap as apologetics claim. Why don't you read the verse yourself. It flat out says "beat them"

second, I have published 2 articles on the subject. I provided many Hadiths in addition to the Qur'an, that shows that the Muslim teaching about beating women is giving them a good one, not just a tap. Please read my articles. Defending evil, i.e. Islamic teaching about beating women, is evil. Please read my articles. I am not the only researcher here who published on the subject. There are many who I only qualify to be their student. All of which reached the same conclusion. If you want to be objective, study the sources yourself and reach your conclusions. Muslim apologetics try to hide the truth or twist it to make Islam look nice to people like you. Here is the links to my articles. Please review, and give me your thoughts on that. Thanks

http://islam-watch.org/Kammuna/Beating-Women-Sanctioned-By-Allah-Prophet...

this second article has some videos that shows you how Muslims understand wife beating. One of them is such an idiot that he looks at beating other human beings as "Therapy". Isn't that nice! here is the link

http://islam-watch.org/Kammuna/Beating-Women-Islamic-Teaching-into-Pract...

I'll await your response sister.
Have a good evening/day

Taqiyya at best! Tap gently, gently beat her with a tooth brush, bet her wiht out raising the arm and flexing the elbow more than 15 degrees, bet her not on the face, beat her very gently with red roses only, beat her to the beats of a drum, bet her with out leaving a mark, beat her ever so gently that she understands what love is, .Right I am Bill gates.
Beat is the key word given to all moslem men by allah and they forget to read the other bits of allah's words.
Welcome to the world of beating by the moslem men.

Not only does Islam permit men to beat women, it instructs men to beat disobedient women. It is right there in the Quran - 4:34. How could any Muslim deny this? The Quran also allows men to possess women as slaves - 4:3, 4:24, 33:50. It is fear that keeps Muslims in Islam. Muslims dare not question Islam for real for they fear that God may be as cruel as Mohammed said he is. Mohammed was a very clever cult leader. He knew that fear, promises of heaven and some earthly "goodies" would work.

Ms Brooke Fairuz, welcome.

Please all my brothers and sisters in humanity, do not make fun of Ms Brooke Fairuz, respect her. she is an honest researcher coming to FFI.

Ms Brooke, can you please enlighten us with the verse that say 'tapping gently'? the verse clearly stated: "Fadhribuuhunna" and the Arabs understand this a little different than you Ms Brooke. do you believe in Hadith literature? In Sunan Abu Dawud, Book 11, Number 2142: Narrated Umar Bin Al Khattab: "A man will not be asked why he beats his wife." see the consistency of this hadith with the verse of wife beating? Wife beating is part and parcel of islamic marriage life. the muslims who behave humanly is acting in accordance with his innate good nature, nothing to do with islam.

Humanity is but one family.:)

No, Focussed, I am not avoiding the Forum. I just talk when it is required of me to talk. There are several other Forum mebers who can present much better arguements that I can, so I like to step in only when I am required. There is no reason why we should uneccesarily spam the Forum.

BTW: Its been quite a while since I last saw you, where have you been all these days, my dear friend.

Brooke Fairouz,

Your first name sounds English, and your second name, I don't know, "Eastern". Did you marry into Islam, perhaps? I am sure women who convert to or stay in Islam have good reasons for it.

But please look global, as Islam is also global and your loyalty is to Islam first, I guess. Do Islamic teachers teach the same everywhere? Are Islamic practices, behavior everywhere the same as in your city? If not, maybe it is different in Western countries from Islamic countries, due to "Kaffir laws"?

Is it OK with you that in most Islamic countries the testimony of women is only worth half that of men? This seems relevant to me in case women ARE maltreated and try to get justice done. At least in the Western countries they then stand an equal chance.

To Demsci, the name Fairouz is an ancient Persian name.

Analysing her psycology through her writing, we can detect that she has a nice and kind loving muslim husband who treat her with respect and dignity. she believes that his immaculate behaviour originated from islam, we must admit this point unhesitatingly.

second, she has a non muslim neighbour who live next door but leading a miserable life of infighting and clashes between husband and wife which consequently cause beating pain.

therefore, she concluded that islam is against wife beating as she visualize the ideal image of islam from the good virtues of her husband. this is her standing ground of upholding her islamic faith.

thirdly, someone may suggest to her about FFI and she quickly skim through a few articles, reading a few posts, including the garbage one. then here we see her, posting her thought.

i urge all readers and posters to maintain respect to this good human, she is in the process of enlightenment, otherwise, she will not be coming back. give her some time to scrutinize the contents of this site.

Humanity is but one family. :)

OK, mr Kenmirzz, I like your style very much,

In the meantime I was puzzling about the question if there is only one Islam or are there many Islams or variations of it? Because we are forever told not to generalize, when we hear or see reprehensible words or deeds from some of the Muslims, from all over the earth. Very well, if there are many variations, please Muslims, enlighten us more to the differences and please let a part of the vast majority of decent Muslims distance themselves from the ones that we criticize, protest against these as well, not only to us, admit our points a bit.

Muslims who lie about wife beating are going against Allah and Mohammed.
both the Quran and Mohammed support wife beating period.
there is nothing about soft tapping her.

the Quran SAYS BEAT HER. Any Muslims who deny's this fact is a none believe/infidal and goes against Islam.

You Muslims should be PROUD ALLAH THE MERCIFUL SAYS TO BEAT WIFES FOR THEIR OWN GOOD, ALLAH AND MOHAMMED KNOW BEST.

In the pre-Islamic days, the eldest sons of the Pagans inherited their fathers’ widows with the flocks and the tents. Incest between sons and stepmothers thus was not only lawful but obligatory.1

>> This is highly unlikely because it was the same pagans or neo-converts to Islam that opposed the marriage between Zainab (Muhammad's adopted son's wife) and Muhammad. If incest between sons and step-mothers was approved, then they shouldn't have opposed the incest between Muhammad and Zainab. Well well, I am quite skeptical about the reference (RVC Bodley) given there.

Allah says scourge her.Beat the xxxx out of her.Let there be no mark of beating on her face. Allh the most gracious, most merciful, most benevolent, most cruel,mosy rabid, most lunatic, most idiotic, most criminal, most absurd.most asinine, most deadly, most violent etc.Allah the xxxx of xxxx.Allah the swine of swines

to Mr Demsci, if you read the article of Mr Ali Sina, you can see that he praised his grandmother as the nicest person who never hurt anyone in her life. she was also a pious muslim lady.

Generalization is wrong, we must admit a spade to be a spade. if a muslim behaved in a civilized manner, treating his wife with due respect like Ms Brooke's husband, we must admit his humanity.

the problem with some posters here is they are too indulged in hatred and prejudice as if all the muslims to be bunch of devils. this is totally unjustifiable. this kind of biased method will inflame the muslims and they will never ever get to know the real hidden truth behind their 'not so holy' scriptures.

as i myself struggle not to be a prejudice person, i hate to see someone with this blemishing attitude hanging around.

actually there is only one islam that accept the quran. but when it comes to hadith, you can have many versions of islam. then come the intepretation of quran, there you have plenty version of islam again.

i will scrutinize the psycology inside a good human who happen to be a muslim. let me elaborate, these people associate every virtues and goodness to islam. however in actual fact, they themselves are innately good natured endowed with humanistic values. it has nothing to do with islam but this people is a good compromizer. they behave like a saint and they genuinely believe to be motivated by islam. to them, every source of goodness and good values are islam. when they discover high moral teaching in other religions, they comfort themselves by saying all these apparent good commandments were remnants of ancient prophets teaching. this is how these people maintain their "islam". moreover, they are successful in attaining new converts from other religions too.

Humanity is but one family. :)

Humanity is but one family but true pious moslems are not part of that one family! They belong to the evil allah's family and need to be annhilated

Dear Mr PK, it is unfortunate for you to have such mentality. if muslims need to be annhilated, then you advocate the whosale massacre. a sad truth Mr PK. you dont even give them opportunity to learn the truth and now you resort to violence? i hope no one is giving you any missile launcher or else the first trigger that you pull must be severely devastating to the world peace.

Leaving sophistry aside, Ayesha was called 'Humayra'. any knowledgable person can provide me with the true meaning of this terminology? the muslims said that it is an epithet for Ayesha due to muhammad's love for her. but i think there is more to it. anyone?

Humanity is but one family. :)

kenmirzz Says:

Dear Mr PK, it is unfortunate for you to have such mentality. if muslims need to be annhilated, then you advocate the whosale massacre. a sad truth Mr PK. you dont even give them opportunity to learn the truth and now you resort to violence? i hope no one is giving you any missile launcher or else the first trigger that you pull must be severely devastating to the world peace.

Dear Kenmrizz, you sound like a hopeless optimist, and not a realist. What do you think? That you will try to spread the message around and there is going to be an exodus of Muslims from Islam. Are you really that naive, and who told you that PK wants to anhilate Muslims? And even if he does, is he capable of doing that? Cmmon now, don't try to make Muslims as victims, so many Muslims know fully well what Islam is all about. They commit all those henious crimes with a clear consience. So who are you trying to defend here?

# 39 and 40
Thanks Ik.
I never said all moslems need to be annhilated.please read my comments again
"Humanity is but one family but true pious moslems are not part of that one family! They belong to the evil allah’s family and need to be annhilated
True and pious moslems! Does that sound ok? true and pious moslems can be and are truly evil, as they follow the teachings of the pedophile prophet.

to both Mr Ibrahim and Mr PK, ganging up against me pal? i am an optimist? yes, a realist? also yes. i do not recall defending any evil human, let alone evil muslims. but i defend the whole concept of humanity and neither the evil muslims nor you will be able to comprehend this.

you are not impartial in dealing with any issue about islam. if they commit the most heinous crime with clear conscience, it shows that they are sick. sickness requires cure. cure requires understanding, understanding requires intellect, intellect requires wisdom.

regarding my naivety about the mass exodus of muslims from islam, it can happen not in 30 years but 300 years. Optimistic? or realistic? you be the judge.

both respectable person, Mr PK and Mr Ibrahim, our differences are merely on this level, please dont take it as personal. "kenmirzz" is a truth seeker who cherish truth of humanity above all.

Humanity is but one family. :)

to both Mr Ibrahim and Mr PK, ganging up against me pal? i am an optimist? yes, a realist? also yes. i do not recall defending any evil human, let alone evil muslims. but i defend the whole concept of humanity and neither the evil muslims nor you will be able to comprehend this.

Ganging up against you? Listen little one, we don't gang up against anyone here! We have better things to do than that! Ofcourse if I feel that you are wrong in your assumptions I wil rebuke you! That is what this forum is all about. None of us can claim to be better than the others, simply because FFI is a bazzar of ideas. The best ideas are sold and bought and the ones that don't hold water and discarded. That is the spirit of FFI. You misquoted PK, and then held it against him and ended up giving us a common sermon, and what for? Can you tell me how you concluded that PK wishes to ahilate all Muslims. Don't get personal, dude, like it said, its a Bazzar of ideas.

you are not impartial in dealing with any issue about islam. if they commit the most heinous crime with clear conscience, it shows that they are sick. sickness requires cure. cure requires understanding, understanding requires intellect, intellect requires wisdom.
What do you mean by being impartial. Are you saying that I should take the civiled people and the unciviled barabrians in the same measure, or what else are you suggesting. After seeing the deeds of Muslims and the teachings of Islam for a better part of my life, all I have to say is that hell yes I am impartial. I am partial to humanity, to life, to godness and freedom.

regarding my naivety about the mass exodus of muslims from islam, it can happen not in 30 years but 300 years. Optimistic? or realistic? you be the judge.
In 300 years everything wil be over. In another 30 years Europe will be a Muslim dominated continent, if something is not done about it. India is next, then China maybe and then the rest of world will be done away with in the next 60-70 years. Do you really think we have those 300 years. Muslims are exploding their populations under careful instructions by their imams and Mullahs. They pretty well know why they are being asked to increase their demographics.
So please stop playing the inoccent Muslim card.

both respectable person, Mr PK and Mr Ibrahim, our differences are merely on this level, please dont take it as personal. “kenmirzz” is a truth seeker who cherish truth of humanity above all.
Thank you for respecting me dude, but your respect will not save us from the wrath of Muslims when the time comes. Our level of preparation will! Lebanese Christians also used to think that Muslims can change, till Muslims changed their country forever. Today Lebanon is a Muslim majority country, with only 40 % Christians.
Its time to wake up!

Thank you for civility mr humanity!
As a truth seeker, you would and should have by now realised that islam ( and bible too to an extent) is no where near even transient truth, let alone truth and eternal truth!
Islam is a lie of giagantic proportions ( bible too).Its an evil lie .I am sure you have realised that as well, as a truth seeker.
Iam against islamic evil thought process and am really not against people who are born ( unfortunately) in to moslem families.As a follower of evil pedophile prophet, if people feel i am against them, its not my fault.
I have also no hard feelings against any one.What I find difficult to swallow is the utter stupidity of the followers of islam.
Educated or illiterate, arab or non arab, east or west, most moslems are the same when it comes to mohammad and allah and qrand.
I agree that generalisation is incorrect.
I have met perfectly decent and nice people in islamic countries.They unfortunately were considered as bad moslems! A bad moslem is likely to be a good human being.An apostate moslem is more likely to be avgood human being.A pious moslem is most likely to be evil.But then again there are exceptions.
Every generalisation is with out exception incorrect! But then there are a billion idiots around and that's the problem. Here generalisation seems to be truly in order.
I have not attacked you and it's your imagination.I have been attacking the concept of islam
.I am against thighing of infants, beating wife/ wives, treating women as sex objects, killing animals for the sake of eating or religious purpose,against killing people just because they do not follow my religion, against dumb following and absolutely detest imbecility.
Tell me if I am worng , will you?

I think it is a mix, honestly. Many (probably more than not) are guilty and like Ibrahim said, they commit these crimes with a clear conscience, but there are some Muslims (muslimas mostly and children) who are indeed victims. Many women choose not to leave for the sake of their children because in countries like Saudi Barbaria, the fathers 99% of the time receive custody of the children and they are then raised by other wives/members of the family.

Western women, however have a choice....they can choose to stay free by educating themselves ahead of time or they can choose to become a victim...knowingly or unknowingly....western women....educate yourselves, seriously....don't make the same mistakes so many of us have made and have had to pay harsh/high prices....read, read, read...ask questions and think twice before you fall into the arms of a smooth-talking manipulative exotic good looking Muslim man....takiyya is their duty! Muslimas, think twice before you marry!

#45 Hello Free Spirit. Welcomed back. Marie said you were busy! Glad to see you again.

The rap music is allowed for l, Muslim kids like it, ans (2) Muslim scholars claim it is poetry which was allowed in the days of Mo.

Now the prisons are releasing Muslim gangs who are recruiting the blood and crips to Islam under NOI. They plan to blowup synagogues and churches. I wonder will they blow up their mothers and family. Black Muslims are useful idiots! They are either naive and plain stupid as allah said they were less than a donkey's penis. They are never shown these verses in the Quran and hadith.
They are recruited in jail and then when released they return to wives who they turn into muslimahs who most of the time are even less intelligent than they are.
The churches are not equipped to overcome the teachings because they are not Bible savvy enough. s

Hi, Raisinhead,

Thanks...good to be back...Yeah...was a bit busy and I figured I'd let things calm down on the site.

Well, wife beating in Islam happens quite frequently. It is unfair to judge a good husband to a good Muslim....Brooke's husband is apparently a good husband, but a bad Muslim because if he was a good Muslim, she'd probably get the crap knocked out of her. It's not cultural....Muslims from all races and nations beat their wives/the women in their family. Yes, it happens in all races, religions, nations, etc. but the difference is that in the U.S. we have a choice as to whether or not we stay or go and if another man lays his hands on me again, you can bet I'm going to do what I can to beat the living hell/s..t out him! Lightly tapping??? Please! Since when did slaps across the face, pulling hair, kicking, pushing, jerking around become "lightly tapping!?!" Or punching a woman up side the head while pregnant....hmmmm...gosh I must have truly been mistaken, then!

Keep defending Islam, Ms. Brooke and more women will run into good Muslim husbands and get the s.it beaten out of them and their children taken away! As you said, it happens among other religions and such, but as many have said, Islam is the only religion that declairs it holy.....YOU, wake up and we'll be here with open arms when you do and here to help enlighten you in the meantime....!

To Mr Ibrahim and Mr PK, my apology if i hurt your heart especially if i i misquoted the latter.

but i doubt that europe will be a muslim continent. yes, some muslims retain their religiousity and being resistant to change. most youngsters are already crossing the border of islam and adapting themselves to the western society. their renaisaance as apostates commence from now. the council of ex muslims is testifying to this and they are growing in numbers. sorry if i sounded too optimistic.

Humanity is but one family. :)

No body has the right to hurt me with out my permission! SO not to worry.After all what do words achieve? Not a lot or quite a lot , depending on the circumstances in which these were uttered.Mohammd cretin uttered kill kafirs and moslems went beserk then and few cretins are going beserk now as well.We shall over come these cretins.not to worry

kenmirzz Says:

To Mr Ibrahim and Mr PK, my apology if i hurt your heart especially if i i misquoted the latter.

darling, I am a Scorpio, and I am as tough as they come. So don't worry about hurting me, no one on this Forum or anywhere else can hurt me till I don't permit them to hurt me.

As for your belief that Muslims won't take over Europe, well, the fugures are on my side, so I will stick to what I believe. You are free to think what you like!