Did Muhammad Respect the Holiness of the Ka'ba?
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In this article, I discuss the killing of Ibn Khatal the day the prophet of peace entered Mecca in a victorious manner.
Did Muhammad Respect the Holiness of the Ka'ba?
What would you think about one of the holiest men of our time if he committed a bloody murder in the holiest of temples? What would you think of mother Teresa if, before she died, killed a poor man right in her main headquarter in India? What would you think if one of the holiest and wisest of Swamis and Gurus commits a murder in his own home? What would you think of the Pope if he committed a murder in his own Cathedral in Rome? And, what if the crime was for no good reason at all. Let us say that one of the bishops in Rome left the faith and became an atheist. Is that a good reason for the Pope to order one of his followers to kill the apostate bishop even if he was holding to the curtains where the pictures of Jesus and Mary are displayed in their utmost light? I am sure that any reader capable of doing some thinking will say that the Pope is never justified in committing such a crime. Good answer.
Now, let us go to the prophet of Islam (PBUH) and see what he did when he entered Mecca, victorious, with his three thousand strong men. I present the reader a collection of hadiths, and some quotes, about Ibn Khatal. The hadiths and quotes are all from very reliable Islamic sources. So, there is no doubt that the story of Ibn Khatal did in fact happen in a, pretty much, sequence of events as we will see.
Who was Ibn Khatal?
He was a Muslim at one time, then apostacised. Please note that the apostle of Allah (PBUH) ordered him killed because of his apostacy, not because he (Ibn Khatal) killed a freed slave working for him. Such slaves were not considered as equals to free people..
Please note that in Islam proper, apostates are to be killed. he was not put to death because of killing his freed slave. That slave stayed with him serving him.This tells that his freedom was probably not true freedom so to speak. It is really difficult to figure out how or why that slave was “free” since he stayed with his master serving him. In any case, even if he was truly “free”, during the time of early Islam, if one is killed like that, the punishment is not the death penalty. It usually went with no real consequences. On the other hand we know apostates were killed once and again in Islam. many by the orders of Muhammad himself. Also, in the above story itself, there are no Hadiths asserting the fact that he was killed because of killing the slave. If he was killed because of killing the slave, we most probably would have had at least one hadith attesting to this fact. Even today in Saudi Arabia, only the killing of a Saudi male puts you in much trouble. Others; you probably can get by with money and buy your freedom off.
Bukhari (80:753) - “The Prophet said, ‘The freed slave belongs to the people who have freed him.’”
Ibn Kathir, a scholar in interpreting the Quran, explained this verse (2:178) saying that the slave is a commodity, and if a slave was killed by mistake or unintentionally, no fine or compensation should be paid.
Going back to our story, note that he had two singing girls who sang satire about the prophet (now that would have been really fun to hear!!).
"Another [to be killed] was Abdullah Khatal of B. Taym b. Ghalib. He had become a Muslim and the apostle sent him to collect the poor tax in company with one of the Ansar. He had with him a freed slave who served him. (He was Muslim). When they halted he ordered the latter to kill a goat for him and prepare some food, and went to sleep. When he woke up the man had done nothing, so he attacked and killed him and apostatized. He had two singing-girls Fartana and her friend who used to sing satirical songs about the apostle, so he ordered that they should be killed with him." (the Sirat, p. 550)
The Prophet ordered Ibn Khatal killed
Tabaqat Ibn Sa'ad - Vol 2. - p.168
"The apostle of Allah entered through Adhakhir, [into Mecca], and prohibited fighting. He ordered six men and four women to be killed, they were (1) Ikrimah Ibn Abi Jahl, (2) Habbar Ibn al-Aswad, (3) Abd Allah Ibn Sa'd Ibn Abi Sarh, (4) Miqyas Ibn Sababah al-Laythi, (5) al-Huwayrith Ibn Nuqaydh, (6) Abd Abbah Ibn Hilal Ibn Khatal al-Adrami, (7) Hind Bint Utbah, (8) Sarah, the mawlat (enfranchised girl) of Amr Ibn Hashim, (9) Fartana and (10) Qaribah. ("Kitab al-Tabaqat al-Kabir" by Ibn Sa'd, Vol. 2, p.168)
How was Ibn Khatal to be killed?
Also on pages 172 and 173 in Ibn Sa'd's Tabaqat:
"The apostle of Allah entered Makkah in the year of victory and on his head there was a helmet. Then he removed it. Ma'n and Musa Ibn Dawud said in their version: A person came to him and said, "O apostle of Allah! Ibn Khatal is holding fast the curtains of al-Kabah. Thereupon the apostle of Allah said: "Kill him."
"....kill him wherever you find him"
Bukhari, Volume 3, Book 29, Number 72:
Narrated Anas bin Malik:
Allah's Apostle entered Mecca in the year of its Conquest wearing an Arabian helmet on his head and when the Prophet took it off, a person came and said, "Ibn Khatal is holding the covering of the Ka'ba (taking refuge in the Ka'ba)." The Prophet said, "Kill him."
Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 59, Number 582:
Narrated Anas bin Malik:
On the day of the Conquest, the Prophet entered Mecca, wearing a helmet on his head. When he took it off, a man came and said, "Ibn Khatal is clinging to the curtain of the Ka'ba." The Prophet said, "Kill him." (Malik a sub-narrator said, "On that day the Prophet was not in a state of Ihram as it appeared to us, and Allah knows better.")
Muslim, Book 007, Number 3145:
Anas b. Malik (Allah be pleased with them) reported that Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) entered Mecca in the Year of Victory with a helmet on his head; and when he took it off, a man came to him and said: Ibn Khatal is hanging on to the curtains of the Ka'ba, whereupon he said: Kill him. Malik (one of the narrators) attested this statement having been made.
Muwatta' Malik, Book 20, Number 20.76.256:
Yahya related to me from Malik from Ibn Shihab from Anas ibn Malik that the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, entered Makka, in the Year of Victory, wearing a helmet, and when he took it off a man came to him and said, "Messenger of Allah, Ibn Khatal is clinging to the covers of the Kaba,'' and the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, "Kill him."
Malik commented, "The Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, was not in ihram at the time, and Allah knows best."
"Another [to be killed] was Abdullah Khatal of B. Taym b. Ghalib. He had become a Muslim and the apostle sent him to collect the poor tax in company with one of the Ansar. He had with him a freed slave who served him. (He was Muslim). When they halted he ordered the latter to kill a goat for him and prepare some food, and went to sleep. When he woke up the man had done nothing, so he attacked and killed him and apostatized. He had two singing-girls Fartana and her friend who used to sing satirical songs about the apostle, so he ordered that they should be killed with him." (the Sirat, p. 550)
So, it seems that the holy prophet of Islam ordered the killing of an apostate. This apostate went to the holiest of places in the holiest place in Mecca at the time. This action did not save him. Muhammad was ruthless, and did not respect the presenc e of this man in the Ka'ba. I wonder if Muslim apologetics even think of “What Ifs”. What if Muhammad had pardoned him? Isn't that a better course of action. After all the man was harmless. He probably was in the entertainment business along with his two singing girls. Let us move to the details of his death.
How did Ibn Khatal die?
"Verily the apostle of Alah ordered (his followers) on the day of the Victory to kill Ibn Abi Sarh, Fartana Ibn al-Zibr'ra and Ibn Khatal. Abu Barzah came and saw him (Ibn Khatal) holding fast the curtains of al-Kabah. He (Abu Barzah) ripped open his belly.” (Tabaqat Ibn Sa'd, p.174)
What happened to the two slave girls?
"As for Ibn Khatal's two singing girls, one was killed and the other ran away until the apostle, asked for immunity, gave it to her." (Sirat, p.551)
Did Muhammad make a wise decision regarding Ibn Khatal and his two slave girls?
No, he did not. He could have easily forgiven him and let the incidents go. The same applies to the killing of one of the girls. Forgiveness is a virtue that Muhammad died thinking it spelled “REVENGE”.
And the answer to the title of this article is: No, Muhammad had no respect for the holy. He demonstrated that in his Nakhla raid when he attacked a Meccan commercial caravan during the sacred month. He demonstrated that by violating, again and again, his own signed treaties before conquering Mecca. And, yet again, proved this claim by ordering the killing of a man who was holding to the curtains of the most holy in Mecca; the Ka'ba. Is this a man worthy of being called a prophet of the most High?
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This is news to me.I never
This is news to me.I never heard this story before.Even the most hardened criminal(except terrorist)would think twice before harming a fellow human being in a place of worship.
But then the followers of muhammed are not far behind.Ex--bomb blasts in masjids in India,bombing & gunning of muslims in pakistan,iraq,etc.
muhammed set a good example.I am convinced that the mullahs would have quoted this example to budding terrorists.He is truly a prophet ---- of destruction.
Ibn Kammuna, Can you please
Ibn Kammuna,
Can you please elaborate on how you can conclusively prove that he was killed for apostasy and not for killing the free slave(whatever that means)?
krishna i used to abuse the
krishna
i used to abuse the VHP and Bajrang dal people a lot till recently, but now i ve realized that they are the only protection that we Indians have against the psychopathic islamists who are thriving on our soil.
i really hope that they beat the shit out of the terrorists and help ordinary Muslims come out of the vile cult of Islam.
and ppl still say he was a
and ppl still say he was a mercy for the world ....
@focussed its nothing new
@focussed its nothing new ...
Apostates are to be killed...
"...The Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.' "
Bukhari (83:37)
"Allah's Apostle never killed anyone except in one of the following three situations: (1) A person who killed somebody unjustly, was killed (in Qisas,) (2) a married person who committed illegal sexual intercourse and (3) a man who fought against Allah and His Apostle and deserted Islam and became an apostate."
Bukhari (84:57) - "[In the words of] Allah's Apostle, 'Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.'"
Bukhari (89:271) - A man who embraces Islam, then reverts to Judaism is to be killed according to "the verdict of Allah and his apostle."
Bukhari (84:58) - "There was a fettered man beside Abu Muisa. Mu'adh asked, 'Who is this (man)?' Abu Muisa said, 'He was a Jew and became a Muslim and then reverted back to Judaism.' Then Abu Muisa requested Mu'adh to sit down but Mu'adh said, 'I will not sit down till he has been killed. This is the judgment of Allah and His Apostle (for such cases) and repeated it thrice.' Then Abu Musa ordered that the man be killed, and he was killed. Abu Musa added, 'Then we discussed the night prayers'"
Bukhari (84:64-65) - "Allah's Apostle: 'During the last days there will appear some young foolish people who will say the best words but their faith will not go beyond their throats (i.e. they will have no faith) and will go out from (leave) their religion as an arrow goes out of the game. So, wherever you find them, kill them, for whoever kills them shall have reward on the Day of Resurrection.'"
JIHAD IS THE WAY OF MUSLIMS,
JIHAD IS THE WAY OF MUSLIMS, EVERY MUSLIM IS A GHAZI......
WHO GIVES A DAMNN ABOUT WHAT A BUNCH OF KUFFAR SAY OR DO
REMEMBER
ISLAM WILL DOMINATE THIS WORLD, INSHALLAH
the rapist pedo showed the
the rapist pedo showed the way for the moslems to follow for ever.The donkey saddam called his son in law back to iraq and just eliminated him.orgiveness as per islam is sin. The mohammad of Ghazni attacked somnath and Rana pratap defeated him 17 times and that just one time the pratap lost to gazani, all that brutal coward ghazni did was to decapitate the king! In india we still have not learnt anything at all from history.No moselm can ever be trusted until he leaves islam!
@Komal, I do know that. The
@Komal,
I do know that. The reason I asked the question of Ibn is to close the only possible loophole that a muslim apologist might exploit with respect to this article.
Thanks for your inputs though.
Ghazi.murad,
you are just a junior pimp to your senior pimp called mohammad. if you did not care, you would not be here. Flies outnumber humans but that does not mean that they will dominate. Kufr still control the technology and the scientific know-how. Had it not been for humaness in Kufr, Muslims would have been elimited by unleashing a few killer diseases from laboratories. But I guess you will not understand that. you are a brain dead zombie who hopes to be serviced by 72 virgins in islamic paradise but does not know how to be a good human being.
JIHAD IS THE WAY OF MUSLIMS,
JIHAD IS THE WAY OF MUSLIMS, EVERY MUSLIM IS A GHAZI……
WHO GIVES A DAMNN ABOUT WHAT A BUNCH OF KUFFAR SAY OR DO
REMEMBER
ISLAM WILL DOMINATE THIS WORLD, INSHALLAH.
Wishful thinking.!!!!!!!!!! He mentioned THIS WORLD,meaning planet earth.When man colonizes moon or mars,my dear in which direction u will pray.After bombing when u enter the next world,the power or God or whatever will ask you why did u kill in my name.What will be your answer???I am sure you will blame the jews,christians,hindus,ete,etc.Now don't tell me you want to bomb FFI,try it.
One more thing dear FFi is also equally important in enlightening kaffars.Kaffars words do matter.Muslims are on a high on petro riyals & drug trade money,once the booster is missing what will you do.???
A good muslim is no muslim at
A good muslim is no muslim at all
Amim is copy-pasting
Amim is copy-pasting something that has nothing to do with the article again
AMIM is in Saudis. Guess
AMIM is in Saudis.
Guess why.
Hes been taken as slave.
Thank you Focussed for the
Thank you Focussed for the comment. As you know, apostates are to be killed. Also, this was his slave that he freed, but he stayed with him serving him. This told me that probably his freedom was not true freedom so to speak. It is really difficult to figure out how or why that slave was "free" since he stayed with his master serving him. In any case, even if he was truly "free", during the time of early Islam, if one is killed like that, the punishment is not the death penalty. It usually went with no real consequences. On the other hand we know apostates were killed once and again in Islam. many by the orders of Muhammad himself. Also, in the above story itself, there are not Hadiths asserting the fact that he was killed because of killing the slave. If he was killed because of killing the slave, we most probably would have had a hadith attesting to this fact. Even today in SA, only the killing of a Saudi male puts you in much trouble. Others; you probably can get by with money and buy your freedom off. Thanks again
i think u should include some
i think u should include some of what u said in ur article IK
IK, Thanks for the
IK,
Thanks for the clarification and I agree with Ibrahim that some of it could go into the main article itself.
You guys are doing tremendous work and I appreciate the work that you do.
@ Focussed : According to the
@ Focussed :
According to the what the prophet had done b4 :
Since Ibn Khatal was an apostate his punishment was death ....
According to Quran 2:178:
O ye who believe! the law of equality is prescribed to you in cases of murder: the free for the free, the slave for the slave, the woman for the woman. But if any remission is made by the brother of the slain, then grant any reasonable demand, and compensate him with handsome gratitude, this is a concession and a Mercy from your Lord. After this whoever exceeds the limits shall be in grave penalty.
So u see even if he killed the slave all he had to do was to replace the killed
slave with another one "Slave for a slave"... or prehaps give the blood money
...
Firstly the slave being free is questionable and secondly even if the slave was freed he is still the property of Ibn Khatal and therefore he could annul the
freedom of the slave even after his death ...
Bukhari (80:753) - "The Prophet said, 'The freed slave belongs to the people who have freed him.'"
Ibn Kathir, a scholar in interpreting the Quran, explained this verse saying that the slave is a commodity, and if a slave was killed by mistake or unintentionally, no fine or compensation should be paid
So the bottom line is that death punishment due to muder of slave is almost unlikely but as we have seen the apostate is to be killed as I have already
mentioned to you in my prevous reply
Komal, thanks brother. Good
Komal, thanks brother. Good info.
Eeehhh I am not brother ....
Eeehhh I am not brother .... I am a gal ....
so calling sister wud be fine :)
Ibn Kammuna; Just hold your
Ibn Kammuna; Just hold your gun. You said----
""--I am sure that any reader capable of doing some thinking will say that the Pope is never justified in committing such a crime. Good answer.---""
You have Answered your own question your way, and imposing the answer on the readers. Am I correct?
No Pope, no Mother fkr. Teresa or any Hindu Guru is foolish enough to kill some one they want to Save or Serve. Only a MoHamMad can do that: as he has his Allah to justify all his actions as divine Sunnah.
On the other hand the Pope and Mother fkr Teresa etc. need many helpless poor people to save and serve to prove their divinity and ensure their place in heaven.
Komal which part of pakistan
Komal which part of pakistan are u from? Punjab I hope?
Its good to kick AMIM. I see
Its good to kick AMIM. I see his posts are being deleted by Admin. I would like to thank him/her. Her is just a nuisance and doesn't use logic. Always comment that has nothing to do with main article. If he wishes to comment then go to proper place. By blaming other religion Islam doesn't become great in itself. If amim know how to read, then read carefully.
"YOU CAN ONLY DEFEND ISLAM HERE. NOT CURSE OTHERS.
POST RELEVANT COMMENTS IN CIVILIZED LANGUAGE.
Many are qualified to here to debate you out here. Challenge is always open"
I am from Punjab U guessed it
I am from Punjab U guessed it right
That's great Komal. I ve
That's great Komal. I ve heard that FFI is banned in Karachi and many other cities of Pakistan, I wonder how you guys manage to get logged on to FFI.
krishna i used to abuse the
krishna
i used to abuse the VHP and Bajrang dal people a lot till recently, but now i ve realized that they are the only protection that we Indians have against the psychopathic islamists who are thriving on our soil.
i really hope that they beat the shit out of the terrorists and help ordinary Muslims come out of the vile cult of Islam.
Dear Ibrahim i missed your post.excuse me.The VHP is more organized & controlled.But i worry about the bajrang dal,they are very volatile & have no agenda.They are only creating minor nuisances.I am sure their tactics will hurt the BJP in the forth coming elections.I really wonder if they are a part of the sangh parivar.But YES,at the street level they are capable of taking on the muslim mob.
A0000Z, I wish you would use
A0000Z, I wish you would use a cleaner language. No offense meant to you brother/sister.
Komal, I am sorry sister. I'll watch it next time.
Focussed and Ibrahim: you are right folks, I rpobably should haver part of that in the main article to strengthen it. i probably could also use some of what Komal said.
This is how we learn anyway..the commnets section is indeed a good learning media for me..so many good ideas. Thanks folks
krishna says But YES,at the
krishna says
But YES,at the street level they are capable of taking on the muslim mob.
At the end of the day, that is where the desicions will be made. It might not sound good to many, but I a really bad time coming.....
Yes ibrahim,even i feel we
Yes ibrahim,even i feel we will head in this direction.Matter of time really.
Ok folks. I fixed the article
Ok folks. I fixed the article as per your notes and sent to FFI to update it.
thanks for your comments
JIHAD IS THE WAY OF MUSLIMS,
JIHAD IS THE WAY OF MUSLIMS, EVERY MUSLIM IS A GHAZI……
WHO GIVES A DAMNN ABOUT WHAT A BUNCH OF KUFFAR SAY OR DO
REMEMBER
ISLAM WILL DOMINATE THIS WORLD, INSHALLAH.
Thanks for showing us once again the religion of peace at it again. You are all so stupid.
Sri Lankan Team fired at and
Sri Lankan Team fired at and wounded in (Taliban) Pakistan .
Never ever trust the friendly invitation from Islamic Countries.
AMIM are you in (Taliban)
AMIM are you in (Taliban) Pakistan.
pakistan what pakistan?
pakistan what pakistan?
Gunmen attack SL cricketers
Gunmen attack SL cricketers in Lahore
Last Updated: March 03, 2009 11:00 IST
Gunmen killed at least four people in an attack on the Sri Lankan cricket team's bus on Tuesday as it drove to the Gadaffi stadium in Lahore [Images], according to witnesses and cricket officials.
Sri Lankan media, quoting the sports minister, said four players received minor injuries in the attack -- Kumar Sangakkara, Ajantha Mendis [Images], Thilan Samaraweera [Images] and Tharanga Paranavithana.
Pakistan television channels said four people were killed.
A witness told Reuters he believed two police commandos were killed along with a regular policeman and a traffic warden. Shopkeeper Ahmed Ali said the two police commandos had been driving behind the team bus when they were hit.
"It was a very heavy firing and I heard at least two explosions at the time," said a Reuters witness who had been on his way to cover the Test match between Pakistan and Sri Lanka [Images].
Pakistan only invited the Sri Lanka team to tour after India's team pulled out with security concerns following the militant attacks on the Indian city of Mumbai [Images] in November.
According to PTI, the incident took place when the Sri Lankan team was attacked by around 10 armed gunmen near the Liberty Chowk which is close to the stadium.
"The firing took place from at least four sides and continued for some minutes," one police official said.
One explosion was also heard at the stadium, PTI adds.
The attackers later escaped in separate groups.
The liaison officer of the Pakistan team said players of the host nation have been sent back to the hotel.
"The Sri Lankan players are presently safe at the Gaddafi stadium [Images] and they are getting treatment," one PCB official told PTI.
Sources also claimed that the police had received a threat on Monday that the Sri Lankan team would be attacked so a different route was used to transport the team to the stadium.
"The firing took place from at least four sides and continued for some minutes," one police official said.
"There were 12 masked gunmen," Lahore police chief Habib-ur Rehman told reporters, adding that police battled against the assailants for about 25 minutes.
"They appeared to be well-trained terrorists. They came on rickshaws. They were armed with rockets, hand grenades, kalashnikovs," he said.
Television channels aired footage of at least two of the gunmen, one of them wearing shalwar kameez and other jeans and a jacket. Both were armed with assault rifles and carrying backpacks.
Police cordoned off the area immediately after the attack and launched a search for the gunmen. The driver of the cricket team's bus drove away from the spot immediately after the firing started.
"We are assessing the situation," Pakistan Cricket Board chief Ejaz Butt said.
"Five policemen who were providing protection to the team sacrificed their lives," he added.
only one thing i can say is
only one thing i can say is that they are so brain washed till they cant see anything beyond islam, true to form i do believe that the human race will one day be decimated by Muslims and controlled by them, and of course there would be a band of opposers but would be too late!!
Why are we so silly to allow them so much freedom, i will never know
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