A Guide to the Qur’anic Contradictions-3
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Sura 5: al Maeda (The Table Spread)
5:5
Foods of the people of the Book are lawful for Muslims and vice versa. Lawful in marriage (for Muslim men) are: chaste believing women; chaste women of the Book (i.e., Jewish and Christian women).
Contradiction: 2:221 says do not marry idolatresses.
Contradiction: 9:30 says Christians and the Jews are idolaters.
5:13
The Children of Israel (Jews) tampered with their scriptures and broke their covenant with Allah; Allah made their hearts hard, but Muhammad is to forgive them.
Contradiction: 6:34, 6:115 say none can tamper with Allah’s words.
Contradiction: 9:29 says kill the Jews and Christians unless they pay jizya tax or convert to Islam.
Contradiction: 5:54 says the Muslims must be very harsh and stern towards infidels.
5:21
Moses said his people should occupy the holy land (of Palestine, Jerusalem or Jericho).
Contradiction: 7:137 says Allah let the Moses’ people inherit the land east and west, that is, the land of greater Syria.
5:26
Allah made the wicked people (a faction of children of Israel; they numbered 600,000—Jalalyn) to roam aimlessly for forty years.
Contradiction: 7:129 says Allah let the children of Israel inherit Egypt.
Contradiction: 7:137 says Allah let the Moses’ people inherit the land east and west, that is, the land of greater Syria.
5:32
Killing one person except for a just cause is like slaying the whole people; saving a life is like saving the whole people (killing here refers to a Muslim killing another Muslim and not humanity in general—ibn Kathir).
Contradiction: in 5:33 Allah commands Muslims to crucify or behead those who criticize Islam and Muhammad, or do not convert to Islam.
5:41
Allah will not purify the hearts of those Jews who distort the meanings of the Book.
Contradiction: 6:34, 6:115 say none can alter the words of Allah.
5:51
Muslims are not to take the Jews and Christians as friends and protectors.
Contradiction: 5:82 says Christians are Muslims’ closest friends.
5:54
If one turns to be an unbeliever, Allah may bestow His blessings to others who will become Muslims. These Muslims will be humble and friendly to other Muslims but very harsh and stern towards the infidels (unbelievers, the apostates; i.e., these pious Muslims must kill the unbelievers and the apostates).
Contradiction: 5:13 says Muhammad is to forgive and overlook the faults of Jews and Christians.
5:55
Real friends are: Allah, His apostle (Muhammad), and the fellowship of pious and charitable believers.
Contradiction: 9:116, 17:111, 32:4, 42:28 and 42:31 say Allah is the only protector and helper.
Contradiction: 41:30 32 say angels are our protectors in this life and in the life hereafter.
5:57
Do not take as friends the people of the Book (Jews and Christians), the pagans, and those who mock at Islam.
Contradiction: 5:82 says Christians are Muslims’ closest friends.
5:69
The believers of the Qur’an, the followers of the Jewish scriptures, the Sabians, the Christians, and those who believe in Allah and the last day shall have no fear.
Contradiction: 3:85 says Allah accepts only Islam.
Contradiction: in 5:33 Allah commands Muslims to crucify or behead those who criticize Islam and Muhammad, or do not convert to Islam.
5:82
Strongest enemies are the Jews and the pagans; the nearest in love (or friendly) are the Christians.
Contradiction: 3:118 says not to be friendly with unbelievers, including Jews and Christians.
Contradiction: 5:51 forbids Muslims to be friendly with Jews and Christians.
Contradiction: 5:54 says pious Muslims must be harsh and stern towards Jews and Christians, these Muslims must kill Jews and Christians and other infidels.
5:90
Intoxicants (wine and spirits), stones (i.e., stone/idol worshipping), and gambling (playing chess is a form of gambling—ibn Kathir) are Satan's handiwork.
Contradiction: 47:15, 83:25 say Satan’s handiwork, wine, will flow freely in Islamic Paradise.
Sura 6: al Anam (Cattle)
6:12
Allah has prescribed mercy on Himself. Undoubtedly, on the Resurrection day, Allah will gather together mankind. They are responsible for their belief.
Contradiction: 14:4, 6:35 say Allah purposely does not guide some people.
Contradiction: 10:100 says no soul can believe without Allah’s will.
6:14
Allah feeds others, but He does not need any food. Allah commanded Muhammad to be the first person to embrace Islam.
Contradiction: 2:37 says Adam was the first Muslim.
Contradiction: 2:131, 3:67 say Abraham was the first to accept Islam.
Contradiction: 7:143 says Moses was the first Muslim.
Contradiction: 26:51 says some Egyptians were the first Muslim.
6:34
Apostles before Muhammad were rejected too; but through patience, constancy, and Allah’s help the apostles won. None can alter the words of Allah (Qur’an).
Contradiction: 2:79, 3:78, 4:46, 5:13, 5:41, 6:112, 41:43 say the Jews and the Christians tampered with Allah’s Books.
Contradiction: Allah says in 2:106, 16:101 He changes the Qur'an through abrogation and substitution.
6:38
All creatures, including birds with wings, form communities like human beings; they too will be resurrected (that is, these creatures also have souls).The Qur’an did not omit anything (i.e., the Qur’an is complete).
Contradiction: 18:109, 31:27 say all the seven oceans (ink) and all trees (pen) are not enough to write the Qur’an.
6:101 102
Allah has no consort (wife), so He could not have children (sons) (the polytheists thought that the angels were daughters of Allah; Allah does not have any wives—ibn Kathir).
Contradiction: Allah says in 19:21 Mary could have a son without a man (consort), because Allah decreed it so.
Contradiction: 39:4 says if willed, Allah could have a son out of His creation, but He didn’t.
Contradiction: 2:117 says Allah says ‘Be and it is’.
6:103
Allah is beyond our vision and comprehension; but He sees and comprehends all things. Allah is not visible.
Contradiction: 53:11 says Muhammad, with his own eyes, saw Allah (Muhammad saw with his eyes his Lord—ibn Abbas).
6:112
It is Allah’s wish that every messenger will have men and Jinni devils as his enemies, inspiring each other with flowery words.
Contradiction: 6:34, 6:115 say none can alter the words of Allah.
6:115
The Qur’an is complete in truth and justice; none can change the Qur’an.
Contradiction: 2:106, 16:101 say Allah abrogates and substitutes verses, changing the Qur'an.
6:128
At the approach of death, Jinni misleads many humans; these misguided men will implore Allah for mercy, but Allah will send them to Islamic Hell to dwell there permanently, except if Allah decides otherwise.
Contradiction: 2:167 says eternally.
6:130
Allah sends humans and Jinni respectively as messengers to them.
Contradiction: 12:109 says Allah sends only men as messengers.
Contradiction: 27:82 says Allah also sends a beast as a messenger to mankind.
Contradiction: 35:1 says Allah sends angels with wings as messengers.
6:131
Allah will not destroy a city for their sins when their inhabitants are there (that is, a messenger—ibn Kathir).
Contradiction: 17:16 says Allah destroys a city by giving its inhabitants warning.
Sura 7: al Araf (The Heights)
7:20
Satan lured Adam and his wife (Eve) to transgress Allah’s prohibition.
Contradiction: 20:120 says Satan lured only Adam to the tree of eternity.
7:54
Allah created the heavens (first) and (then) the earth in six days, and then he rose over His throne.
Contradiction: 41:9 12 says Allah created the earth (two days), the mountains (four days), and the heavens (two days) in total of eight days.
Contradiction: 79:27 30 says Allah created the heavens first.
Contradiction: 2:117 says Allah creates instantly.
7:77
So they killed the she-camel and challenged Salih to bring Allah’s torment on them.
Contradiction: 54:29 says one person took a sword in his hand and killed the she camel.
7:82
Lot’s people wanted to drive him and his companions (i.e., Lot and his two daughters: Za'ura and Raytha—ibn Abbas) out of their city. (Lot’s people were sarcastic to Lot’s followers that they are a people who want to be pure from men's anuses and women's anuses—ibn Kathir.)
Contradiction: 7:77 and 29:29 say when Lot admonished his people for their sins they challenged Lot to bring upon them Allah’s wrath.
7:83
Allah saved Lot (including his daughters—ibn Abbas) but not his wife; she received the torment of Allah.
Contradiction: 26:170 171 says Allah saved Lot and all his followers except an old woman.
7:127
The chiefs of Pharaoh wanted to know if Pharaoh would allow Moses to spread mischief and let the people abandon their gods. Pharaoh then decreed to kill sons of Moses’ people, but reprieved their daughters.
Contradiction: 28:38 says Pharaoh was the God of his people. They worshipped only Pharaoh and not many gods.
7:136
Allah avenged the betrayal of covenant of Moses’ people by drowning Pharaoh and his people in the sea.
Contradiction: 10:92 says Allah forgave and saved Pharaoh, and made his dead body a symbol for Pharaoh’s progeny.
Contradiction: 10:90 says Pharaoh submitted to Islam.
7:137
Allah let the oppressed people (the Children of Israel) inherit (Egypt) the land east and west (this refers to the area of greater Syria—ibn Kathir.)
Contradiction: 2:58, 5:21 say Allah let the Moses’ people inherit the land of Palestine and Jerusalem.
7:143
Allah spoke directly to Moses, but did not show His face; when Moses looked at the mountain where Allah was hiding, the mountain crumbled and Moses fainted; Moses was the first to believe in Islam.
Contradiction: 2:37 says Adam was the first Muslim.
Contradiction: 2:131, 3:67 say Abraham was the first Muslim.
Contradiction: 6:14 says Muhammad was the first Muslim.
Contradiction: 26:51 says some Egyptians were the first Muslims.
7:152
Those who idolized the calf for worshipping incurred the wrath of Allah.
Contradiction: 2:52 says Allah forgave them.
Contradiction: 2:63 says Allah terrorized the Children of Israel by raising the Mount Sinai above them.
7:179
Allah has made many men and Jinni for hell, they are worse than cattle.
Contradictions: in 51:56 Allah says He created men and jinns only to serve (worship) Him.
Contradiction: in 35:15 Allah says he does not need human; He is free of all want.
End of Part 3
To be continued in part 4.
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Abul Kasem writes from Sydney, Australia. Send your comments to nirribilli@gmail.com
Abul Kasem, Fantastic, can
Abul Kasem,
Fantastic, can you do another one base on current events. Wars in Gaza, Lebanon, Afghanistan and Iraq. I am sure Muslims will love it very much.
An "Omnipotent and
An "Omnipotent and Omniscience" God could not say any contradiction in His Words. If there is contradictions, so that words must came from a fake god!
Mr. Abul Kasem, I always like
Mr. Abul Kasem, I always like your information. Now I can see why only intelligent people, complete human beings, leave Islam. Stay with it friend. The more you convert, the less mayhem we'll have around us. I'm not knocking only bad Muslims. There are also bad Christians. But at least we put them in jail when they do something bad, such as making out with little girls. In the Muslim world, it's open season on little girls as soon as they begin to bleed, which could be at a very early stage. It's sad, very sad. I really feel sorry for those little children. I wish evil Muslim perverts had licet feelings for children, but I guess they don't. The feelings of Muslim perverts are all illicet. Well friend, keep plugging. Maybe some day the Muslim perverts will grow a human brain and a human heart.
This is an excellent work
This is an excellent work Abul Kasem,
I know the Quran and I know the amount of work, skills and time necessary to produce this series.
Thank you very much
In a way you can't blame the
In a way you can't blame the Muslim male perverts, ho prey on little girls. They think that they have to emulate their prophet, actually a false prophet, Muhammad, who was a first class pervert. Man, did you ever read his story? That dude Muhammad was not only a paedophile and child molester. He was also a murderer, wife beater, polygamist, adulterer, hypocrite, slave owner. That Muhammad was one cruel SOB. No, no, SOB doesnt' mean what you think, but if it fits go right ahead and say it. SOB means "son of the beast." The Beast of course is Allah, the god of cruelty, the god of wickedness, the god of female genital mutilation, the god of untimely deaths, the god of destruction, the god of polygamy, the god of leglized adultery, the god of legalized brothels, the god of hyprocrisy, the god of Muslims. Now, do you see why evil Muslims like Muhammad and Allah? Talking about brothels, about two weeks ago I read about one Muslim whoremonger who had more than 80 wives. That guy had more libido than Hammy. Now, that's what you call a real Muslim practicing his faith called Islam. Hammy is an affectionate nickname that I use for Muhammad.
The Beast of course is Allah,
While I agree to this, how is biblical god any different ?
Cruelty and Wickedness:
Now, go, and you shall smite Amalek, and you shall utterly destroy all that is his, and you shall not have pity on him: and you shall slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.' " (1 Samuel 15:3)
Biblical god himself agrees that he does evil things.
The Lord [then] reconsidered the evil He had said He would do to His people.(Exodus 32:14)
Jealousy or enviousness:
For you shall not prostrate yourself before another god, because the Lord, Whose Name is "Jealous One," is a jealous God. (Exodus 34:14)
untimely deaths
Talk about 1 Samuel 15:3 and killing of infants. That is perfect example of "god of untimely deaths" indeed.
And they completely destroyed all that was in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox, and sheep, and ass, with the edge of the sword. (Joshua 6:21)
the god of destruction,
Deuteronomy 3:1-6
1. Then we turned and went up the way of Bashan, and Og, the king of Bashan, came forth toward us, he and all his people, to war at Edrei
2. And the Lord said to me, "Do not fear him, for I have given him, all his people, and his land into your hand, and you shall do to him as you did to Sihon, king of the Amorites, who dwelt in Heshbon."
3. So the Lord, our God, delivered into our hands also Og, the king of Bashan and all his people, and we smote him until no remnant remained of him.
4. And we conquered all his cities at that time; there was not a town that we did not take from them sixty cities, all the territory of Argob the kingdom of Og in Bashan.
5. All these cities were fortified with high walls, double doors, and bolts, in addition to a great many unwalled cities.
6. And we utterly destroyed them as we did to Sihon, king of Heshbon, utterly destroying every city, the men, the women, and the young children.
the god of polygamy,
jesus agrees to polygamy
Matthew 19:8 (New International Version)
Jesus replied, "Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning.
If he takes another [wife] for himself, he shall not diminish her sustenance, her clothing, or her marital relations. (Exodus 21:10)
the god of leglized adultery and sex slavery, and the god of legalized brothels,
And he had seven hundred royal wives and three hundred concubines, and his wives turned away his heart. (1 Kings 11:3)
And Rehoboam loved Maacah the daughter of Absalom more than all his wives and his concubines, for he married eighteen wives and sixty concubines, and he begot twenty-eight sons and sixty daughters. ( 2 Chronicles 11:21)
the god of hyprocrisy:
Jesus teaches others to love their enemies, but himself wishes hell for unbelievers, asks other not to call their brothers as fools for danger of judgment, but himself calls Jews as fools...talk about hypocrisy...
But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you (Mathew 5:44)
“And if any one will not receive you in your words, shake off the dust from your feet as you leave that house or town. Truly, I say unto you, it shall be more tolerable on the day of judgment for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah than for that town.” (Matt. 10:14-15).
But I tell you that anyone who is angry with his brother[a]will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to his brother, 'Raca,[b]' is answerable to the Sanhedrin. But anyone who says, 'You fool!' will be in danger of the fire of hell. (Matthew 5:22)
You blind fools! Which is greater: the gold, or the temple that makes the gold sacred? (Matthew 23:17)
the god of Christians indeed...
The difference is that you
The difference is that you dont see christians or jews running around mutilating little girls, calling for beheadings,puting tablecloths over womens faces,blowing themselves up,marrying 9 year old child brides such as in Afghanistan and all the really illiterate muscums.actions speak louder than words.
Some excellent content here
Some excellent content here and a nice writing style too - keep up the great work!
Are you saying Christians and
Are you saying Christians and Jews are better than their god ?
A masterpiece from Kasem. I
A masterpiece from Kasem. I think the article should be added to wikiislam
Excellent article
Excellent article
To my Hindu brother
To my Hindu brother Continuum,
I fully agree with you my brother Hindu, the Bible is indeed full of violence. But one thing, as a Hindu Atheist, bothered me so much is your disturbing or should I say questionable statement that Jesus Christ (the person evil Christians call the Son of God) agrees to polygamy when the Christian scriptures says this:
“1 And it came to pass, that when Jesus had finished these sayings, he departed from Galilee, and came into the coasts of Judaea beyond Jordan; 2 And great multitudes followed him; and he healed them there. 3 The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause? 4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, 5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? 6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder. 7 They say unto him, Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement, and to put her away? 8 He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so. 9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.”
I don’t understand, as an honest Hindu, you would rather twist what the evil Bible says. As a Hindu I already know that the Bible is evil, we as Hindus should not have to twist what it says because it makes others look at us as liars like the Muslims.
I believe you that Hinduism is the most perfect religion, that’s why I left Christianity but some Christians, in one of our discussions gave me a copy of the following extract from a Hindu website, and it bothers the heck out of me and I need your help to convince me that we as Hindus do not condone polygamy like the Muslims and Christians do.
Polygamy In Hinduism:
According to the scriptures, a Hindu marriage is indissolvable in life. Still polygamy was rampantly practised in ancient Hindu society. An address by Bhishma to King Yudhishthira in the Mahabharata, succinctly endorses this fact: "A Brahmana can take three wives. A Kshatriya can take two wives. As regards the Vaishya, he should take a wife from only his own order. The children born of these wives should be regarded as equal." (Anusasana Parva, Section XLIV).
Over the past few months, the issue of Hindu marriage remained a hot bed of legal and governmental debates in India. Most of this controversy arose from the fact that since polygamy is banned by law for the Hindus (thanks to emperial British), an increasing number of Hindu men have been showing a propensity to convert to Islam whenever they want a second wife.
I’m looking forward for you to help me defend my new found religion of Hinduism. I apologized if I brought up something that can make Hinduism look bad, it is me that made the error because Hinduism is absolutely perfect.
Your Hindu brother,
Freedomfighter67
Continuum, there you go
Continuum, there you go again, giving wrong interpretations. Jesus never, never allowed more than one wife. Where? When? When has the Catholic Church allowed more than one wife? And again, you're going back thousands of years. The people then might have cause mayhem, or maybe not in those days. The important thing is that they're not doing it today. That's very important. The Muslims are doing it everyday, now! There is nothing I can do about what evil might have happened thousands of years ago. But we can do something about the evil that is occurring today. You seem to want to draw attention to what the Muslims are doing right now! It seems that you don't care. Instead, you go back thousands of years to something that noboby can alter. We can alter the mayhem that is going on now. But you don't seem to care. Are you pro evil Muslims that are raping little girls right this minute? Incidentally, Muslims male perverts are forcing little girls as young as eight years old to marry them and then raping them now. If old men raped little girls hundreds or thousands of years ago, there is nothing that I can do. That's why I don't argue about it. Continuum, I don't know what your game is. Incidentally, sometime back, I mentioned that Muslims hadn't invented anything. I was wrong and I apologize. The Muslims invented suicide bombers. The Muslims are using these weapons everyday. Let's hope that we can deter the suicide Muslim bombers from murdering innocent people.
Continuum, I meant to say
Continuum, I meant to say that you want to draw attention AWAY to what the Muslims are doing right now. According to the set up on my computer, I can't check check my work.
hahahhaha... LOL.... real
hahahhaha... LOL.... real funny ff67....
I did NOT know most Hindus were looking to convert to Islam because of this. Where did you get this copy paste crap ?
Where did I twist anything. I just quoted from your bible.
Matthew 19:8 (New International Version)
Jesus replied, “Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning.
If he takes another [wife] for himself, he shall not diminish her sustenance, her clothing, or her marital relations. (Exodus 21:10)
I think that settles it.
No need to defend. Polygamy was practiced in early days in all cultures.
Continuum, there you go
Strange... Whenever it is convenient Christians claim that Jesus and God of OT are same.
Whenever not convenient, then they talk as though OT God and Jesus are completely different entities.
Did God authorize polygamy through Moses ? The answer is yes as shown below....
If he takes another [wife] for himself, he shall not diminish her sustenance, her clothing, or her marital relations. (Exodus 21:10)
So what is Jesus referring to in the verses below ?
Matthew 19:8 (New International Version)
Jesus replied, “Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning.
It seems Jesus approved of certain relaxations in strictness in early days. So Jesus also approved polygamy.
Where does Jesus say polygamy is wrong ? Please show me one explicit verse which says so ? He rejects divorce, NOT polygamy.
Continuum, I meant to say
No.... I am putting equal effort in exposing biblical intolerance as well.
Freedomfighter67, do doubt
Freedomfighter67, do doubt you are a good person. You seem sincere and kind. I don't know anything about Hinduism. I know that one of my doctors was Hindu, and he seemed like he was a very good man. About your new found religion, Hinduism. What you can do is find out if it's an infallible religion. If so, what makes it infallible? Infallibility has to come through a human arbiter. Who is that arbiter to settle all disputes concerning faith and morals, which in my estimation are the two ingredients that are necessary for salvation. Notice that I said "faith and morals." I didn't say anything about astronomy, math, biology, et cetera. Well, anyway, lots of luck and may God bless you. Incidentally, I'm a Catholic. Catholics, according to history, were the first Christians. In the beginning the Christians called themselves Christians. About the year 110, the Cristians, actually St. Anthony of Antioch, changed the name to "Universal" or "Catholic" because the church began to spread. Well, lots of luck. Thank you freedomfighter67 for not being contentious. You seem to be a very good person.
M. PS, Please....ff67 is a
M. PS,
Please....ff67 is a Christian, NOT a Hindu.... Do you understand satire of ff67 and see the comedy in his writing.... I enjoy his comedy....
Continuum, why don't you look
Continuum, why don't you look at the present people, and not at the people of thousands of years ago. I'm trying to solve the problems that are going on this very minute as I write, and not the problems that might have happened thousands of year ago. Are the Jews today belligerent? Generally, I don't think so. If the Jews were belligerent thousands of years ago, but are not now belligerent, where is the connection? It's true that many Muslims are good people, but many are not good people. If the percentage of people in my religion was that high, I would be fighting them and not the high percentage of violent Muslims. According to one survey, about 26% of Muslims think violently. For example, that how many agree with suicide bombers. It think it's horrible. Well anyway, try not to draw me away from present problems. To my way of thinking it's silly to go way back thousands of years and point out violence that has no connection to mostly peaceful people today. Sometimes you give me the impression that you are a violent person. Why don't you try to deter the violence that is going on NOW? That's what I'm doing, and that's what Ali Sina is doing. Sina is another good person that isn't fighting wars of long ago. He's like me. He's trying to deter the violence that's occurring NOW! May God bless him for that.
To my Hindu brother
To my Hindu brother continuum,
I don’t understand why you call my honest but questioning Hindu mind funny. Just wondering, is it laughable to ask questions in Hinduism? What makes us different from Muslims then? I expect you as my Hindu brother to help me find truth and I’m surely convinced by you that Hinduism is the absolute truth, that’s why I left Christianity and became a Hindu.
The reason why I left Christianity is because of their concept of Trinity. This is just so ridiculous and I can’t believe Christians believe such ridiculous thing. Then one day, one of the Christians asked me this question; If Hindus find it so ridiculous to believe in such thing as Trinity, isn’t it more ridiculous to believe in a god who supposedly reincarnitated into a monkey, and a god whose head is an elephant and has four sets of arms and a god whose skin is the color of a decomposing human being, and that cows are sacred? To my surprise I reacted like the Muslims, and told Christians that the Bible is evil because of the Old Testament. I have no defense to what I believe whatsoever and I don’t want to see it. All I care is Hinduism is the absolute truth and nothing but the truth.
Now my brother Hindu, please don’t laugh at what I think because you are like the Christians who think Hinduism is more ridiculous than anything Jesus Christ showed to the world. You’re supposed to help me refute these evil Christians, not laugh at me.
Now please answer me this again, how could these evil Christians find it in one of the many Hindu websites showing our scriptures as condoning polygamy? How can I supposed to convince them that Hinduism is the absolute truth when I can’t defend Hinduism concerning polygamy? They even showed Hindu scriptures describing a polygamous god. I can give you the link if you’re really interested, so please, in defense of Hinduism, you might want to refrain from the subject of polygamy when attacking Christianity. I have nothing against attacking the Christian faith because that’s one of our purpose here in FFI as Hindus and Atheist but what you’re doing is inviting these evil Christians to our websites and I’m afraid they might open not one but thousands of cans of worms like our elephant and monkey gods. It just seem to be so hard to explain how an elephant and a monkey can logically became gods.
Please help me answer all the troublesome questions above so I can equip myself in attacking Christianity like you do. You are my Hindu idol and in you I find truth and honesty, that’s why I left Christianity.
Your Hindu brother,
Freedomfighter67
My dear friend
My dear friend Freedomfighter67, down deep I believe you are still a good person. At least I believe you are trying to be a good person. I'm not here to question your religion. However, I do ask you to be humble and patient. No, I will not make fun of your religion. Remember, I'm a Christian, and a good Christian is charitable and patient. But I do ask an honest question, how can a Bible be evil if no one is practicing evil? How could even the Qur'an be evil if no one practiced what it contains? The problem is that some Muslims are practicing what the Qur'an contains, and that's bad. I haven't met a Jew or a Christian who is practicing what might be only apparent evil. But even if it were absolute evil, how can it be evil if no one practices it. From observation, most Christians and Jews are trying to do good. They, at least the way I see it, are never or very seldom the aggressors. I do see retalitation after someone attacks them. For example, the Jews put up with Hamas for several months before they retaliated. The Jews showed patience. Hamas showed pure hatred. Generally, I don't see hatred in Hindus just as generally I don't see hatred in Christians and Jews. Anyway, this is one Christian who doesn't hate you. Personally, I don't believe I know how to hate. Try to be humble and patient. I hope you don't resent that advice. May God bless you. No, I will not make fun of your religion.
Dear evil Christians, As a
Dear evil Christians,
As a new convert to Hinduism, my understanding of the Bible now (thanks to the Hindus and the Atheists here in FFI) is that it is evil because the God of the Israelites commanded them to kill their enemies instead of practicing Yoga to subdue absolute evil and transform it into a peaceful entity. Yes, I believe now that if satan really exists, Hinduism can transform him into a good person. The thing I am troubled with is that, Muslims seem to be harder to transform into peaceful entities than satan. I can see that Hinduism is the most peaceful religion on earth, so peaceful that we’re about to loose 90 % of all Hindu country called India to the Muslims as we speak. But Hindus like me don’t care if evil triumphs as long as we can live peacefully through our yoga and meditation in the middle of this islamic chaos. Death for us means nothing, we just get recycled to a higher caste of Hindus when we die and hopefully, not into cows, monkeys and elephants, so who cares about the Muslims killing us and taking over our country. Let evil triumphs and let Hindus like us freely practice our religious traditions. Hindus are good and Jews and Christians are evil because you people are killing the Muslims instead of letting them kill you while meditating and say Hare Raya Hare Krishna.
You have the audacity to talk about Gaza. Our Indian brothers in Kashmir who used to be Hindus are protesting and more than one of our Hindu political leaders in India are also protesting against the Israelites killing the Muslims. These Muslims are innocent despite their full support of the many years of rocket attacks against Israel. Israel is supposed to tolerate these Muslims like Hindu India tolerate them through our Yoga and Kama Sutra. I know Hindus are losing ground against the Muslims but at least we’re tolerant and peaceful. The thing that we Hindus can’t tolerate is the evil Christian missionaries converting our lower caste Hindus to Christianity. Who do you think are going to do our lowly paying jobs? The Muslims surely won’t do it, the Mexicans are oceans away, are Christians going to clean our toilets? How are we supposed to do our yoga if we have to spend more time cleaning our own toilets now? Heck no, we will definitely not tolerate such actions from the evil Christians converting our lower caste Hindus. We Hindus would rather tolerate the Muslims killing us through Mumbai attacks than losing our lower caste Hindus to Christianity. If it takes to use our Hindu atom bomb against these evil Christian missionaries, so be it.
My Hindu brothers here in FFI, can you please help me refute this evil Christian here? I’m about to go ballistic to this evil Christian and my blood pressure is way up to the ceiling now. I have to do another yoga crap again to control my predatory urges. How many times I have to do this yoga crap anyway? By the way, why is it that everytime I watch the yoga channel in Fit TV, it’s always some gay person from California giving the yoga session? Does yoga has any connection to being gay? Just wondering…
Your Hindu brother,
Freedomfighter67
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well said , every hindu bollywood female star is sucking muslim c**k , no problem !! millions of hindus , no education no problems, hindus run to christian west holding lap top , but forget to flush the toilet after use !!
LFaithfreedom 67, people know
LFaithfreedom 67, people know the atrocities committed by Christian demons everywhere in the world. You must be cleaning toilets of your neighbours and it is a good job. You are better than your Pope who is indulged in hating every non-christian religion on earth. Poor boy, you neither know how to do yoga nor possess any knowledge on the greatness of Indian civilization. Refer to what Will Durant, the greatest American historian, said about India.
wagamama Says: People know
wagamama Says:
People know the atrocities committed by Christian demons everywhere in the world. You must be cleaning toilets of your neighbours and it is a good job. You are better than your Pope who is indulged in hating every non-christian religion on earth. Poor boy, you neither know how to do yoga nor possess any knowledge on the greatness of Indian civilization. Refer to what Will Durant, the greatest American historian, said about India.
My response:
I know what the evil Christians did especially to Hindus in India my Hindu brother. They transformed them from lower caste Hindus to free people who have no limitations to what they can do in life. These evil Christians have caused so much imbalance to our natural Hindu world that I, as a true Hindu, consider these evil Christians to be the most dangerous influence in our Hindu society, more dangerous than Islam itself. Can you imagine me as a Brahmana, cleaning toilets for a living? Not according to our Hindu scriptures. No sir, I will not clean toilets for a living because it is against my Hindu belief.
Yes, I am better than the Pope because I’m a Brahmana, the highest caste of any Hindu racism/prejudism in existence. The Pope is pretty much a Brahamna also if we can translate the Vatican rules to Hinduism but I’m still better than him because I used to be Christian but now a Hindu Brahmana. I don’t know about the Pope’s hatred against non-Christians though, because he went inside the mosque in Turkey and prayed in there facing Mecca like some kind of low caste Dhimmi. I’ve never heard of any Hindu Guru praying inside the mosque because he will definitely be beheaded by our peaceful Muslim pagan counterparts. I want to argue with the Muslims that god is a purple god with many hands and we all worship the same god but I don’t want to offend our peaceful Muslim brothers in India. I know for a fact they’re peaceful but they are also very handy with their knives.
I’m very much knowledgable about yoga my Hindu brother because I watch Fit TV everyday. They have a Yoga show in which a gay person is giving a yoga session in front of all these hot looking California females young and old. I noticed there is no male participant in that class, and I wonder why. In fact, we can make a quick survey here in FFI and ask each one of our male contributors here if they normally do any yoga. How much you want to bet that there’s no real man who wants to do yoga unless they’re gay. You can also do a survey in a construction site and ask each one of the workers if they do yoga and they’ll laugh at you and call you fag.
I just recently converted to Hinduism and I’m proud to tell you that I am part of the great Indian civilization as we speak now. I even smell like one too (hope this doesn’t offend anyone here). I don’t eat cows anymore but treat the cows with utmost respect. In fact I once passed a ranch in Kansas full of cows. I stopped my car in the middle of the Highway and payed homage to the sacred cows. The only thing that I didn’t like so much is their smell. It was just horrible smell. Why do they smell like that if they are so sacred? Can any of our Hindu gods if I pray to them change these cows’ predicament?
Lastly, I don’t know who Will Durant is but one thing he omitted about history is the evolution of the Hindu smell. He might be right about the greatness of my Hindu civilization but honestly he was dishonest about the greatness of our Hindu smell. From 1 to 10, I rated him to a 3. Sorry.
If you have your face stuck
If you have your face stuck up nthe JC's arse, you keep smellin crap!
So 'Continum' can you please
So 'Continum' can you please explain to us all how all your Tu Quoque about the Bible makes your ridiculous koran even one bit less stupid and contradictory than it is? I mean it must do otherwise why would you post such a heaving pile of BS.
Pragmatist seems to think
Pragmatist seems to think anybody who ridicules bible is mooslim by default... LOL...
isn’t it more ridiculous to
Who was talking about trinity ? I wonder why you bring this crap here ?perhaps because you have no logical point to retort all the evil your biblical god commits and so you descend to using condescending words.
decomposing human being.... what is that corpse on that stick then ? If you want to I can get down to your level ? If your holy ghost can get some jewish woman pregnant and be born through her as her son, perhaps Hindu Gods can descend in any form.
Now please answer me this
When jesus christ himself approves of polygamy and not to say God, jesus' father who is jesus himself, approves of polygamy how could these christians call this as evil, unless these evil christians think that their three-in-one dynamic trio is evil. Why don't you ask them this question ?
Did you see a shrink yet ? All that christian shit exposed may have caused you more mental problems.
I know what the evil
yes..yes... Christians care so much for Hindu untouchables until they convert... once they convert, they become toilet cleaners, garbage collectors, and are even given separate segregated places to stay like the black untouchables of America who have no limitations to what they can do in life as long as they stay in their places and know how not to step in white man's foot. These evil Hindus want to stop such freedom that Christianity provides to Hindu untouchables.
I just recently converted to
Poor ff67, is getting more and more helpless after his biblical god is being exposed. Instead of arguing logically, he has to resort to cheap insults... perhaps his nose in permanently glued to jesus' ass (should be super-glue) and since jesus likes Indian food so much, he keeps smelling all the spices jesus excretes right after a tasty Indian meal. Perhaps his brain absorbed all the fart from jesus' ass and so you see poor ff67 farting through his mouth, releasing all the poisonous gases from jesus' ass.
Allah is pig, Hey buddy,
Allah is pig,
Hey buddy, welcome home. I hope you can respect Allah (real be upon him) and Mohammad (pain be upon him) more here. Although by exposing the true identity of Allah is not a bad thing. But have you ever thought of the consequences after Muslims know Allah is just a pig but not even a Moon God ? I must remind you it could be devastating than World War 2.
But then again if there is world war 3 between the kafir and Muslims, I am getting more worried about the Ka'ba which is Allah's rest room. I hope the kafir will not nuke the black rest room of Allah before I piss there.
However we sincerely appreciate your effects to tell the truth here. Thanks and keep it up.
hi kafir I am Allah the moon
hi kafir I am Allah the moon God
Hi Allah, how are you doing ?
Hi Allah, how are you doing ?
Licence to flush, Me and Mo
Licence to flush,
Me and Mo are ok here in hell. Just the heat that is too much to us,
License to flush, Could you
License to flush,
Could you please do me a favor ? Tell the Muslims in Gaza don't wait for me. Cause I don't think the Hell government here will free both me, Mo and all the suicide bombers so soon. Besides I am used to the hell fire here.
Yesterday me and Mo and some of the suicide bombers went for a swim in a molten lava near our prison. Please tell the Muslims it is fun. We enjoyed a lot... we did.
Please tell the Muslims don't rush here without lotions and sun glasses ok ? And if not too much asking bring some for me and Mo ok ? We ran out.
Also remind all the Muslims not to worry about us. Bye and keep it touch.
Allah
The trustable Moon God for Muslims only
License to flush, I know it
License to flush,
I know it is not nice for me to ask something like that to you. But ever since me and Mo were arrested and punished here in Hell. Both of us miss all the 72 virgins. Can you find out for me if they are ok ? Did anyone get pregnant ?
Got to go now, the hell guards are waiting. Me and Mo have to rush for another punishments. Don't forget my questions ok ? Bye and hope to hear from you soon.
Allah
The trustable Moon God for Muslims only and certain Arab Christians
Continuum Your explanation of
Continuum
Your explanation of the God of Christians is very good - although most of your quotes are from the Old Testament scriptures. The great difference between the god of Islam and the God of Christianity is that one chose to DO SOMETHING about the irrepairable awful state of human sin, its effects and consequences - whereas the other god did nothing. The God who "took action"
is the "God of Love, Mercy and Compassion" - whereas the god who did nothing is a "Selfish, Don't-Care, Try-Your-Best" god.
I believe that Hinduism teaches a supreme god - (I think it is Brahma) - am I correct? What is the ultimate goal of "Brahma" for the human race? What is the significance of the hundreds of hindu gods (many of which are man-made graven images) when Hindus "chop and change" them when these gods fail to satisfy their purposes?
Do your research and investigate New Testament teachings. Can you tell me - I believe that Hinduism teaches that
Allah, Hey it's good to know
Allah,
Hey it's good to know you and Mo and the rest of the suicide bombers enjoy your pleasant stay in hell. Don't you worry about Muslims in Gaza, the Jews are taking care of them now.
Yes I will tell them where you are now. And I'm pretty sure once they know that, none of them want to waste anymore time to pray for your rescue.
As for lotions and sun glasses, could you let me know the brand and if anyone of you allergic to anything ?
Regarding 72 virgins, sorry to inform that some of them ran off and some are pregnant now. Only few are still serving in the harem in good conditions. I am so sorry, so far no suicide bombers claim responsible for the pregnancy of the virgins yet. But don't you worry, the UN and America will get to the bottom of this.
Bye and please take really good care of yourself and Mo ok ?
licence to flush, 007.2
The spy who serves Quran
continuum Is Indian
continuum
Is Indian civilisation really "civilised"?
If so, why do they treat and place their own people in different "religious caste systems" - and look upon those of "lower caste" as NOTHING? Are these
"lower caste" Indians less than Human to those of the "upper caste" systems? Why does the supposed "Civilised" Indian Government allow human and animal excrement to pollute "poor" environments and cause disease, poverty, suffering and death?
Indians civilised? The Indian Government must first show an example of what "being civilised" is all about, and change their ideologies for the good and benefit of their own people.
license to flush Believe it
license to flush
Believe it dear - it is not good to know "allah". I have given a description of him in a previous comment on this page.
If the muslim men believe they can have 70+ cellestial virgins in their version of "Paradise" - then what happens to their earthly muslim women when they die? Do they serve their men (together with the virgins) in their Paradise?
If so, is this all that their lot is, or is there more?
Freedomfighter67 I am amazed
Freedomfighter67
I am amazed at your ignorance. first of all, it is extremely doubtful that you were a "Christian". There are countless people like yourself who think they are Christians, yet don't have a "clue" what Biblical scripture teaches. Be Brave and state (with proof-evidence) what Christ says about Himself in the New Testament). State where He does not confirm and validate His identity in scripture.
You address yourself as "Freedomfighter" - Read what Christ says about Freedom - "You will know the "Truth" and the "Truth" will set you "FREE". John 8:31-32 "So, if the Son sets you FREE, you will be FREE indeed" John 8:36
You are evil, deceived and mis-guided. You speak about Hindu Atheism!
How do you work that out? Hindus believe in countless idolatrous man-made gods (many are graven images) - in that sense, how can you reconcile a Hindu with an Atheist? Tell me - why do your fellow Hindus "chop and change" their gods when these gods do not satisfy their purposes, or fail to meet a desired expectation? Hinduism indeed - Hahahahahha. Hindu gods are False gods of course.
Faithfreedom67, I think you
Faithfreedom67, I think you just came out finishing your toilet cleaning job. You smell really bad and your writing sums it all. So better remain with your old ideas of Old Testicles (sorry Testament). Don't faaart anymore LOL
It's terrible that low caste
It's terrible that low caste Indians become Christians. Now they have to learn Christian things like: "Feed the hungry." "Clothe the naked." "Love your neighbor." "Do good to those who persecute you." "Love your enemy." Isn't that horrible? What's wrong with cleaning toilets or sweeping the floor? I've done it. Jesus was a carpenter. I've done that too. May the God of Christians and Jews bless you.
Continuum said: Who was
Continuum said:
Who was talking about trinity ? I wonder why you bring this crap here ?perhaps because you have no logical point to retort all the evil your biblical god commits and so you descend to using condescending words.
decomposing human being…. what is that corpse on that stick then ? If you want to I can get down to your level ? If your holy ghost can get some jewish woman pregnant and be born through her as her son, perhaps Hindu Gods can descend in any form.
My response:
I’m sorry I brought up the subject of Trinity my Hindu brother. It just happens that these evil Christians attacked me by asking me so many questions about our most perfect religion of Hinduism. They even insulted me by explaining to me the process of decomposition especially of the human skin when such tissue goes to discoloration making it look purple in color like our true god Krishna. These evil Christians also brought up the black ring (the same ring we paint on Krishna’s eyes) around a decomposing human body’s eyes which is caused by the shrinking of muscular tissue around the eye socket. This process of decomposition would probably take more than five days to occur, so they told me that according to our paintings, Krishna was probably decomposing for more than five days at the minimum. Can you imagine the stench Krishna must have created while talking to our Hindu ancestors? Luckily, we Hindus nowadays can only see Krishna through our paintings.
Continuum said:
yes..yes… Christians care so much for Hindu untouchables until they convert… once they convert, they become toilet cleaners, garbage collectors, and are even given separate segregated places to stay like the black untouchables of America who have no limitations to what they can do in life as long as they stay in their places and know how not to step in white man’s foot. These evil Hindus want to stop such freedom that Christianity provides to Hindu untouchables.
My response:
I know exactly what you’re saying my brother Hindu. These untouchables once converted will do the best they can to leave our mother India and immigrate to wealthy countries and leave us the Brahmanas behind looking for their replacements. The worst part is that these used to be untouchables come back and visit mother India richer than us. Luckily, India has plenty of supplies of these lower caste Hindus to replace them, and our government only encourages wealthy Brahmanas to leave the country to show to the outside the sophistication of true Hindus, thanks to our true religion of Hinduism.
Continuum said:
Poor ff67, is getting more and more helpless after his biblical god is being exposed. Instead of arguing logically, he has to resort to cheap insults… perhaps his nose in permanently glued to jesus’ ass (should be super-glue) and since jesus likes Indian food so much, he keeps smelling all the spices jesus excretes right after a tasty Indian meal. Perhaps his brain absorbed all the fart from jesus’ ass and so you see poor ff67 farting through his mouth, releasing all the poisonous gases from jesus’ ass.
My response:
I am a Hindu now my brother, I could care less what that evil Bible said, and that’s due to your credit I realized the evilness of the Bible. I thank you so much my brother Hindu. So jesus likes Hindu food too? That’s cool. I thought people named jesus only like Mexican foods. Thank you for the explanation where our Hindu smell came from my brother Hindu. Like everyone expected, it came from our spices. You might want to send this information to Will Durant so he can add this to his writings on Hindu civilization. I really feel very much insulted when such fine Historian omit’s the tenet and the strength of our Hindu civilization which is our smell.
Truthseeker Says: January
Truthseeker Says:
January 18th, 2009 at 11:47 am
Freedomfighter67
I am amazed at your ignorance. first of all, it is extremely doubtful that you were a “Christian”. There are countless people like yourself who think they are Christians, yet don’t have a “clue” what Biblical scripture teaches. Be Brave and state (with proof-evidence) what Christ says about Himself in the New Testament). State where He does not confirm and validate His identity in scripture.
You address yourself as “Freedomfighter” - Read what Christ says about Freedom - “You will know the “Truth” and the “Truth” will set you “FREE”. John 8:31-32 “So, if the Son sets you FREE, you will be FREE indeed” John 8:36
You are evil, deceived and mis-guided. You speak about Hindu Atheism!
How do you work that out? Hindus believe in countless idolatrous man-made gods (many are graven images) - in that sense, how can you reconcile a Hindu with an Atheist? Tell me - why do your fellow Hindus “chop and change” their gods when these gods do not satisfy their purposes, or fail to meet a desired expectation? Hinduism indeed - Hahahahahha. Hindu gods are False gods of course.
My response:
Yes I was a Christian before but now I believe in the truth of Hinduism. I used to believe in that central tenet of Christianity that “God loves the world so much that He sends his only Son to save it“, but now this idea is replaced by the central tenet of Hinduism which is: “The more gods you believe, the more chances you have to have a good life as a Brahmana.” and “Yoga, vegetarianism and pacifism (in other words; gayishness) is the way to salvation.” What can be better than that?
You don’t know how free I am now as a Hindu Atheist my friend. I can worship basically anything even the cows you eat at the McDonalds, or sometimes I switch into atheist mode, I can have Kama Sutra with anyone even if they are married to someone else with no guilt whatsoever. Can you do that as a Christian without any guilt? I don’t think so. Now, who’s freer, you or me?
I know it’s strange for you to see our Hindu gods and that we have so many but the honest truth is just, these artists can’t draw crap when drawing our gods. These Hindu artists were out of control painting gods with many hands and putting elephant’s head on a person and making drawings of a monkey who supposedly pray like a Hindu and choosing the color of human decomposition for our gods’ skin color, and so on and so forth, but who cares. As long as my idol continuum continue to explain to me that Hinduism is the truth and nothing but the truth. I will believe him because he’s my idol, just like the Muslims believe Muhammad as telling the honest truth, I have all the rights to believe what I believe. I will just let the experts like continuum explain the absurdities of Hinduism because I’m new to this Hinduism religion and I‘m not properly equipped just yet to defend it. So back off you evil missionary!
:I’m sorry I brought up the
Poor xian has lost his mind, has no substance to defend his stance logically... Keeps writing meaningless rants.
More BS.....
and then more..... comes from reading too much bible I suppose. Too much BS shows that ff67 has no substance...
Your explanation of the God
Now can you tell me why this god of yours created people with the tendency to sin out of nothing ?
Why could he not create perfect people with free-will who do not choose to sin ?
He knowingly creates people who sin and then punishes them. Frankly none of this makes sense.
You need to first learn about some religion before making comments on it. I am making comments on bible after reading through it. Did you ever read any Hindu scripture ?
teaches that ????? teaches what ? NT ???? do not think so.