Karin in Saudi Arabia
About a month ago Dr. Sami Alrabaa sent me the manuscript of his book, Karin in Saudi Arabia and asked me to review it. The book is just released. (click on the image, to order it)
The stories in Dr. Alrabaa’s book are captivating, but at the same time harrowing, chilling, and distressing. When I started reading I did not want to stop, but there were moments that I just could not read further. I had to stop, go out for a walk, breathe and clear my mind. The horrendous stories of violence, of human rights abuses, of inhumanity and of sheer evil reported in this book are unbearable. It is unbelievable that a place such as Saudi Arabia could exist.
Karin is a German woman who was raped by Moral Police, beaten and kept in Saudi Arabia against her will and finally was deported after her toddler was taken away from her. Karin’s story is only one of many horror stories in this book, each more chilling that the other.
The problem with Saudi Arabia, as well as other Muslim countries, is not just the governments that are all corrupt and dictatorial, but also the people. People commit unthinkable atrocities to each other with clarity of conscience, but the foreigners take the cake.
Muslims are not just technologically underdeveloped, but also morally and spiritually. Their ethos is wrong, their minds are crooked, and their ways are pervert. There is something wrong in the way Muslims perceive the world. They have values that are out of this world and inconceivable by civilized people.
The problem with Muslims is their religion. People are born innocent everywhere; it is the way they are educated and the values that they embrace that makes them different. Islamic teachings reduce humans into something else. In the name of Islam, Muslims commit atrocities that curl the blood. The stories narrated in this book are factual. They are real stories that happened to real people. And yet, they are more incredible than horror stories made for movies.
Islamic societies are ruled by insanity. There is no politically correct way to describe it. Islam is mental disease. The more a country follows Muhammad, the madder it gets. More draconian become its laws, more tyrannous become its rulers and more barbarous become its people. Saudi Arabia, being the heart of Islamic faith, is also the most evil country in the world followed by Iran, which is the heart of the Shiite version of Islam.
The only hope for these wretched people is to help them get rid of Islam. It is Islam that is the cause of their barbarity, wickedness and intellectual torpor. People are the same everywhere. It is their beliefs that make them act differently. Islam cannot be reformed, but it can be demolished. Once it is demolished, civility will be restored and terrifying tales such as those reported by Dr. Alrabaa will become history.
We owe it to them; we owe it to their children and to mankind to rescue Muslims from the yoke of Islam and set them free. This is doable if people talk about it, break our silence and tell the truth about Islam. The world must know what is happening in the name of Islam in Muslim countries. Young girls are beguiled by Muslim men and their lives are destroyed. Only truth will set us free. Alrabaa has done his part in revealing this ugly truth. The rest is up to us. Within these stories lies the horrifying truth about Islam.
This book must be compulsory reading for anyone who wants to travel to Saudi Arabia for any reason. If you know of anyone thinking of going there, please give them this book. It could save their lives.
Please watch this related video.
written by Ali Sina
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January 7th, 2009 at 7:08 am
Please Dr Sina, tell us how to place an order. Thanks
January 7th, 2009 at 7:19 am
.Americans Trapped in Saudi Arabia: Who Will Move a Mountain?
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5712220499572873775
January 7th, 2009 at 7:20 am
Americans Trapped in Saudi Arabia: Who Will Move a Mountain?
video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5712220499572873775
January 7th, 2009 at 8:01 am
You are so right!
January 7th, 2009 at 8:03 am
Dear Ali Sinna,
Your revelations about Saudi Arabia sounds too gruesome to be true. But this is the truth and thanks for highlighting the truth.
It is very pathetic that more than a Billion people have been led into believing some nonsense and they can only be rehabilitated by no others than those who were in the same Islamic Consumption Culture before. There many good Muslims and they are so because they are born so and not because they are Muslims.
Malays/Indonesians in Malaysia and Indonesia were some of the most gentle people before but since the last 50 years the Islamic thought have corrupted their minds and we may have some of the highest incidence of incest, rape, molest and bribery is so common a practice. Malaysia may soon follow closely the way of Saudi Arabia. Thanks to the Non Muslims, there is check and balance, this will always keep the Muslim values under check especially by comparison with non Muslim way of life.
One great danger is that he Muslims believe they are following and the most perfect religion When a fool believes he is the most intelligent the situation is mayhem.
Please keep up the good work and we shall pray for your safety.
Thank you,
php4all
Peace, happiness and Prosperity for All
January 7th, 2009 at 8:16 am
Sodi barbaria is hell hole of a place for some and great place with a lot of money, wine and women for others.Fi waastha fi raastha is the dictum you need to follow in sodi barbaria.During my stay in that hell hole ( due to request from sodi barbarians I went there) I had a really good time and blue label whisky almost daily.Pots of money etc.But the life for an average sodi and average immigrant was real hell. That’s when I started introspection about life and the meaning.That’s when for the first time in my life took a copy of the toilet tissue qran and started reading. Thoughts went crazy and then read bible and then Torah.Then started reading other philosophies.One thing for sure.B & Q are pure evils.Christians may not now practice the evil bible, but sodi barbarians do it with gusto.
The life of an immigrant muslim is even worse.Sodi barbarians issue different ID cards ( called iqamma) to muslims ( green) and brown to kafirs.If you are a green card holder and are caught not praying during salah, they beat you up.The mutawwa’s are the mad dogs of sodi barbaria and are let lose on the public.They are funnily called the squad for promotion of the piety and prevention of the vice! They are the worst lot of two legged creatures one can come across.Perhaps the afghani cretins take the cake.In sodi barbari there is place called Buraidah and thats where these mad dogs get trained.
Its a rabid society.Ordinary sodi’s curse allah and mohammad in the meanest of the language! The sodi’s feel that the royals are above criticism and then Islam and Then mohammad. Its ok to curse mohammad, then Islam and then they stop.!
January 7th, 2009 at 8:28 am
hi all,
i am ex-muslim kafir and i have to say : so also a muslim went to saudi arabia,he is close friend.whores are dime a dozen-right hand possessions.[lol].
wine is flowing like water-jannat on land[lol].he was treated badly and returned back after 1 yr as he could not bear the discrimination an indian faces,whites r given top priority and my friend had no less skills but was discirminitaed and stuff.WORST – THE WINE AND WHORES R IN SAUDI ALREADY.many royal family suffer from liver problems and poor pakis etc r given small money to get their liver,kidneys etc.only few women on top have some rights rest r slaves.
especially filipinos and indonesian.they r raped even when pregnant and if they bleed form vagina so what ?? its true,my friend saw it.death to islam,lovg like paganism kafirms and truth
January 7th, 2009 at 8:31 am
its impossible to get books by ex-muslims in india u know what happened to taslima nasreen.
pls can u make e-books available ??? i can pay by credit card.
January 7th, 2009 at 9:59 am
No it is not impossible to order books written by ex-Muslims from India. I have sent my own books to India and they have arrived. The shipping takes a long time.
January 7th, 2009 at 10:20 am
I have just translate it into Bahasa Indonesia and post it to FFI Indonesia, thanks Ali Sina
http://www.indonesia.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=30553&p=437853#p437853
January 7th, 2009 at 11:52 am
Dear Ali Sina,
I am relieved to find you hale and hearty and your fighting best. It has been more than 3 months now and your “Muhabila friend” must be eating crow. Please write to him and ask him to abandon this foolish cult. You will have one more staunch sensible Ex-Muslim into your fold.
Keep up your good work and sincere wishes for a long, healthy and successful life for all Ex-Muslim Social reformers like you.
Cheers,
January 7th, 2009 at 2:05 pm
The treachery in the land of mohammad is apalling, it gets pretty ugly when one moves close to mohammad’s teaching, I don’t think I will ever get tired of saluting people like Sina and Khan for their bravery in standing up strong in the freestyle battle field of islamic barbarism, without sites like this one won’t know where to go and vent, I hate it when I see the chopping off of hands as a decree from a god, and my pet peeve is when they call the name of allah after commiting a crime against humanity, keep it up.
January 7th, 2009 at 3:04 pm
The criticism of Islam is growing even openly. This is immensely important.
January 7th, 2009 at 4:35 pm
Those are just American hostages there. Can you imagine how many more captive people are kept against their will in that hell?
January 7th, 2009 at 4:38 pm
Isn’t this country a US ally?
January 7th, 2009 at 6:22 pm
so called captive : i think all muslim women r captices of islam.
January 7th, 2009 at 7:11 pm
All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
Arthur Schopenhauer
German philosopher (1788 – 1860)
i would says you guys are at 1/2 i mean seriously crimes like this happen all over the world and some arabians do abuse there religious heritage and its commonly knows that most of their kings do drink alcohol.You say muslim people have crooked minds yet alhazen was the first ture scientist and he was a muslim.He had more knowledge then youll ever get in youre life.Its people like you who are keeping people from realizing the true potential you are the kind of person who wants to keep people like alhazen off the science books and history books.
January 7th, 2009 at 7:14 pm
oh and btw the conversion rate of muslim women into islam 4/1 in the usa
January 7th, 2009 at 7:21 pm
“Ordinary sodi’s curse allah and mohammad in the meanest of the language! The sodi’s feel that the royals are above criticism and then Islam and Then mohammad. Its ok to curse mohammad, then Islam and then they stop.!”
Proudkafir,
This is interesting. Do majority Saudis hate Islam ?
January 7th, 2009 at 7:55 pm
What people do for money ?
The guy on the video yousee is paid $ 200,000/month to make Saudis LOOK good.
January 7th, 2009 at 8:01 pm
“All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.”
And in the case of izlam it started off ridiculing others and being violent. I guess izlam IS its last stage: it’s self-evident only to itself.
“crimes like this happen all over the world ” And so that justifies izlam committing those crimes… I think not.
January 7th, 2009 at 8:05 pm
“seriously crimes like this happen all over the world and some arabians do abuse there religious heritage”
Seriously, no non-muslim country in the world supports through its laws such activities as Saudis do.
January 7th, 2009 at 8:09 pm
there are many bad people who claimed they’re moslems, but Islam yet still the truth that will out. keep on cursing Islam, but you’ll know smday, in the hereafter, WHO IS THE THRUTH
January 7th, 2009 at 8:31 pm
lol religions dont commit crimes people do, btw have you ever even been to saudi arabia?oh and learn to spell Islam.
January 7th, 2009 at 9:08 pm
so called captive : i think all muslim women r captices of islam.
If a Moslem woman wants to live that way and to be treated worse than a burden beast, because that’s the islamic way, well, I don’t care. I pity her, that’s all, but I’m sure I can’t domuch for her.
From the things I’ve heard in the video, rape and violence at home is the norm and if the police won’t lift a finger to prevent it it means that Saudi Arabia is full of disturbed people conniving with one another. If such terrible crimes and such degree of folly are perfectly normal there, there’s no way anybody can be of help to anyone in a place like that. No-one can really honestly think one can sweet-talk psychopaths with a twisted view of the world and the people around them out of their madness: it’s simply impossible and extremely dangerous.
If until the 1960’s slavery was legal there, it means there are generations of parents and grandparents who remember perfectly well the times when they owned human beings whose lives were at their mercy. If they see people as property why wonder if they beat and kill them: things are also property and they can be used and destroyed by their owners. Women and children are property. However insane, there’s a logic to all that.
January 7th, 2009 at 9:17 pm
To the idiot Rauhillah and fez,
How can a totalitarian fascist political ideology be considered the true religion? Is it because you have been deluded into thinking that Izlam is the fastest growing religion? Who fed you that bowl of shit, the imam from the local masjid? Give your head a shake both of you and just look around you 2 years ago on YouTube, newspapers, TV and other news-networking/transmitting mediums, Muzlims practically had a monopoly over the PR and dawah campaigns. Now look @ the situation NOW everywhere you see people around the world are fighting back and fighting hard. Where you were once on the offensive, you fucks are now on the defensive.
And as for fez, the conversation rate for women blah blah blah YAWWWNNNNN. Where’d you get that statistic from answeringChristianity.com? Or no better yet faithfreedom.com? Oh but wait it looks like 75% of converts into Izlam convert out of that cult of death and destruction within 1 – 5 years so not too too much to be worried about. Besides Muslim only make up 1.5 million in the USA, while Christian is 33% of Saudi Arabian population. LOL.
January 7th, 2009 at 9:23 pm
Btw, to my knowledge kidnapped children aren’t found only in Saudi Arabia. In Syria things are pretty much the same and it takes years before parents can see their children. In the case of Syria, also Christians can behave in the same way there: there was an Italian woman married to a Christian from Syria and he kidnapped their child.
I’m almost sure there was the case of another Italian woman who converted to islam to marry a Kuwaiti Moslem and she was kept as a prisoner with her daughter for a few years before she could escape and reach the Italian embassy. When she got a divorce, one of her faults was that of having a distant relative who was a priest or a monk.
I remember watching a TV program few years ago showing lots of Italians wanting their children back and many of them had married Syrians. They didn’t say it clearly, but I’m sure it was the Italian State that paid a sort of ransum to some families in order to have the kids released and brought back to Italy.
January 7th, 2009 at 9:24 pm
Islam yet still the truth that will out
LOL! That’s a nice ‘un, buddy!
January 7th, 2009 at 9:52 pm
im sorry but im not gonna waste my time on the website i just found out by surfing youtube ali sina have been proven wrong in most of his accusations by a guy called Crunchybear1.and to they guy saying z instead of z WTF ARE YOU SOME KIND OF WANNA BE CRIP ?!?!?!?! kudos to every one meaby ill see you again if there a good argument. peace and please dont diss chirtianity our beloved prophet even let christans do their prayers in a mosque
January 8th, 2009 at 1:51 am
fez,
I thought that Quran orders Jihad (qaatil) against people of scriptures and that Kafirs are NOT allowed in a mosque. Can you explain this how Muhammad allowed Christians to pray in a mosque ?
Fight against those who (1) believe not in Allâh, (2) nor in the Last Day, (3) nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allâh and His Messenger (4) and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth (i.e. Islâm) among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. (At-Tawbah 9:29)
January 8th, 2009 at 2:47 am
I was in saudi arabia.It was interesting to note the responses of some people who i feel have not been to saudi arabia.Please i am a hindu but bear no grudge against muslims.I only wish my muslim brothers go to saudi arabia to know their holy land.Please go as workers not on conducted tours(haj).did u know a city called jeddah — gateway to ur holy cities,the underground here is the same as in our own mumbai.u have money u get anything & everything.(EX – u commit any crime in saudi arabia & if u can spend 5000 riyals,u will be at home within 2 days).In short,they r just like us,but with HOLY & PURE STICKERS.The point is islam maybe the fastest growing religion,but ur basics r weak.It is a matter of time it will crumble.The question is when?Till then mankind has to undergo suffering & killings.
January 8th, 2009 at 3:06 am
Continuum
Of course sodis hate islam! Its a repressive ideology that affects day to day life of sodis more than others.It dictates what to wear,how to crap,( using odd number of stones! how odd indeed!), when to eat, when to pray, how to pray, how to eat, what to eat, what not to eat, even when to screw the wife/wives, how to do that and the list is endless.Every sodi confesses to a non muslim Indian and some times mistakenly to indian muslims as well, how they hate this shit mohammad and crap islam! Wallahi they will say this is stupid,This islam and mohammad, real naiks!( naik in arabic means fuck)
Any sodi is an informant to other sodis! They do not trust each other.Any one can accuse of being unislamic and if you are a sodi with out money or even with money, you are ruined.Islam deals the worst cards to women. Sodi women( married and unmarried) are easy to befreind in the west!
The first way to bring about demise of islam is to show to the non arabic moslems the following things
1.That islam places arabs above non arabs.
2.That arabs are stupid unintelligent people.
3.That all converts non arabs are inferior to Arabs as far as islam is concerned
4,Indian and pakis are the worst affected moslems in sodi barbaria!
January 8th, 2009 at 3:10 am
“lol religions dont commit crimes people do, btw have you ever even been to saudi arabia?oh and learn to spell Islam.”
I will spell izlam as you wish and with the honourific when izlam becomes honourable. But I see that you’re running away… so it doesn’t matter. But come back and read the articles and free yourself from the shackles of izlam.
Izlam and the god known as mohammed inspired and gave the initial examples of how the slaves to allah should act. The fake religion known as izlam is to blame and its vile words need to be extirpated from the mind of humanity.No, I’ve never been to saudi arabia, I’ve also never stuck my head in a guillotine: but I don’t need to do that to know that I don’t want to.
January 8th, 2009 at 3:12 am
Moslems are so stupid that you need a first grade child to scatter their arguements here! Look at the moslems posting here in support of islam! I must give credit to christians.they do post here intelligently and try and convince one and all, unsuccessfully though that Bible is truth!
Moslems are really stupid and unintelligent because they inbreed.The inbreeding leads to loss of brain tissue first and then many congenital anamolies. We need to have a lower standard of discussion for moslems here on this board.Allah is so stupid that he copied from bible and that too inaccurately!
January 8th, 2009 at 4:28 am
fez Says:
All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
Arthur Schopenhauer
German philosopher (1788 – 1860)
Fez, the “truth” you are talking about is 1400 years old. The truth as you see it has been exposed. What we found that it is not the truth but a big lie. Islam is the biggest hoax perpetrated on humanity.
Tell me, why do Muslims get violent when we examine Islam? If Muslims know the truth why would they burn and kill in the name of Allah and shout Allah Akbar? Everything Muslims do is in the name of Allah, even slaughter of innocent kaffirs. They killed Daniel Pearl while shouting Allah Akbar. Every time Muslims go on killing spree they shout Allah Akbar.
I know because I have heard it myself. In Quetta, Balochistan I have heard blood curdling cries of Hindu women and children while Muslims were shouting Allah Akbar and beheading Hindu children and raping Hindu women before slaughering them. I dare you to respond to my post. If Allah is kind why scream Allah Akbar and kill children? We judge Islam by the actions of Muslims not by their words.
There is a famous Jewish saying, “you shall be judged by not what you think, not by what you say but you shall be judged by your actions.
Muslims can say whatever they want but their actions prove that Islam is a big lie and the Quran is nothing but hate literature – Muhammad was a rapist and a paedophile, Allah is a vindictive and cruel diety.
January 8th, 2009 at 7:12 am
Ahh ruffled a few feathers did I? Did I call you any names specifically? Its another matter that you are a moslem and i called moslems stupid and so you responded.So there, moslems and stupid are synonymous.
I am being extremely defensive? I mean let us not start english lessons here shall we? I am being offensive by calling moslems stupid. I am the attacker and you are defending the indefensible IE Islam.
MRI scan is not needed to prove brain matter! CT sacn is sufficient and in very young children just ultra sound. If pharaohs inbred it shows. The current egyptians are not very bright are they?? if you have worked with arabs and egyptians, you will get to know how stupid they are and I have had the misfortune to have arabs and egyptians work for me.
I know you are a hindi moslem as sodi’s call you derogatorily. Please remember allah likes only arabs and not non arab moslems.If you are willingly submitting to the arabs and bending over thats up to you.
Moslems are stupid to believe that mohammad split the moon in two.
Moslems are stupid to believe that sun sets in a muddy pond please.
Moslems are stupid to believe that after crapping you need odd number of stones to wipe.
Moslems are stupidest to believe in allah and are lunatics as they are willing to kill in the name of allah
When qrandic papers are freely available why go for odd number of stones.how odd indeed.Now there got even right?
January 8th, 2009 at 7:32 am
I know saudis are very sick of Islam. Several of my arab friends have given their views on this.Their social order is caliberated by the royals. If Saudi monarchy goes (and of course not taken over by taliban like rulers), Islam will crumble in its very place of birth. It will happen in time, but if the world does not help them, it is going to be very bloody.
January 8th, 2009 at 7:40 am
Yeah whatever, proudkafir. What you ARE doing right now is called ‘being defensive’.
‘Psychology lessons’ would have sounded more reasonable, I guess.
So what’s wrong with using the MRI? I think it’s better than both the CT and the ultrasound!
so ‘Moslems’ are stupid to believe that mohammad split the moon in two? Maybe he did? Were you there? Maybe he developed some LSD type stuff in his private lab and made all of his audience take it before he ’split’ the moon. So the audience, who were actually tripping on that stuff when told to look at the moon, did actually see the moon splitting into two. So they passed on the story to everyone. That’s how it came about.
January 8th, 2009 at 9:42 am
moslems are stupid for not just believing in the crap called qrand.But they are stupid and dangerous because they willing to kill and die for the stupidity of 72 revirginating virgins, 28 boys jannat etc.They are not only stupid but dangerous.They can believe for all I care in pedophile mohammad or the arsehole allah and keep it at home firmly wrapped in toilet tissue ( used if you please) and bang their heads.They are killing innocents all over the world and that pisses me off.
I believe you are now bordering on apostating.If you made this statement about lSD and mohammad, in sodi barbaria, you will be at least in two pieces.In your enthusiasm to convince me of the truth of piss mohammad having split the moon, you have apostased. be careful moslems are watching
January 8th, 2009 at 9:49 am
RE>>>>>>Ekxotic Ii would like to know about your views on the following :
1. The American war of Independence.
2. The holocaust.
3. The Partition of India and the massaceres of Hindus and Sikhs by the Moslems.
4. The attacks on Israel, by Hammas.
Kindly let us know if these incidents actually took place or would you say that they never happened.
January 8th, 2009 at 9:57 am
If you are a non arab moslem please reconsider your position.
Of the two tribes that God chose as the best were
the descendants of Ishmael and Isaac. God preferred
the children of Ishmael (Arabs, to the children of
Isaac – the Jews). Then God created Muhammad in
the chosen tribe of the Quresh (the descendants of
Ishmael ) and then he chose his family as the best
among the Quresh families and created Muhammad
as the best of all men.” (Jame Tirmze, Vol. 2)
One can see here the racial pride of the Prophet; he not only exalts the Arabs over the Jews but also prefers his own family (Hashemites) to the rest of the Arab clans. Finally, he asserts his own superiority over each and every member of mankind to rank as Khair-ul-Bashar (the best of men). It is strange that the non-Arab Muslims eagerly quote the Prophet’s Address of the Last Hajj to prove that there is no colour distinction or nationalism in Islam. This address is, obviously, a forgery because it contradicts the principles and practices of the Prophet. Again, one should remember that members of the Prophet’s audience at that occasion, were all Arabs except a few slaves of the African origin. As the Arabs have different colours, the Prophet’s remarks regarding colour apply to the Arabs and not the Africans, who were never given high posts in the Prophet’s administration. One must also remember the famous hadith:
“Love of one’s motherland is an integral part of faith.”
January 8th, 2009 at 10:01 am
“so ‘Moslems’ are stupid to believe that mohammad split the moon in two? Maybe he did? Were you there? Maybe he developed some LSD type stuff in his private lab and made all of his audience take it before he ’split’ the moon. So the audience, who were actually tripping on that stuff when told to look at the moon, did actually see the moon splitting into two. So they passed on the story to everyone. That’s how it came about.”
I guess PK, is right. Moslems really are stupid bums. Your statements make Pk’s theory apparent. I guess inbreeding does impair the thinking ability of a person.
January 8th, 2009 at 12:03 pm
“Love of one’s motherland is an integral part of faith.” sorry forgot to add Indian moslems have no faith in indian religion and so do not love their land India! Simple? Not really.There are exceptions.By and large moscums in India want to turn their bums towards mekkah or is it the face? never mind what’s the difference? and love to marry off their 6 year old daughters to syphilitic old arabs, to get some money, and will kill for the sake of islam.They( IMs) are stupid,ignorant,illiterate, poor, violent etc.All these traits are fairly common to Arabs too! Arabs have at least allah ( though imaginary) but these indian and pakis have nothing to look for.Arabs treat them as crap and at least in india the moscums are treated better. I remeber during my stint in sodi arabia an indian moslim came to me and borrowed some books saying this ” our parents made a mistake and i do not want my children to suffer for their mistakes” Profound thought? Not really.He was mistreated by sodis even though he was a moslem and he was really pissed off.I gave him qran to read.After reading qran he came to me for an advise.Why do I get the feeling that its more important and easier to get the non arab moslems off islam first?
January 8th, 2009 at 1:28 pm
I email everyone I can about this website. I post a link to it on blogs every time I can.
I see, at the time of writing this, that there has be 12,536,257 visitors to this site. That is nowhere near enough!! Lets all work ever harder to get as many people as possable to read the information on this website.
To all the ex-Muslims who risk so much to help the human race – we owe you a great debt
January 8th, 2009 at 1:31 pm
My point when I said people in Muhammad’s time could have been on a drug was to make a comparison with Sina’s findings. What I just said sounds really ridiculous and absurd. Something our mind would never accept. Ali Sina in his book has diagnosed a long long departed person with more than 6 six mental and physical disorders. This sounds just as stupid and ridiculous. I have asked him this question too: Could anyone have possibly diagnosed a person, who died more than 1400 years ago, with such disorders and with such precision and surety? He chooses to ignore or give totally irrelevant answers. He asks all of us to have blind faith in him, only through his writings through this website. Who would believe such a person?
January 8th, 2009 at 1:39 pm
RE>>>>>>Ekxotic Ii would like to know about your views on the following :
1. The American war of Independence.
Know nothing about it. Absolutely nothing!
2. The holocaust.
Hitler couldn’t finish the job, i guess!
3. The Partition of India and the massaceres of Hindus and Sikhs by the Moslems.
What about vice versa?
4. The attacks on Israel, by Hammas.
What about vice versa?
Kindly let us know if these incidents actually took place or would you say that they never happened.
January 8th, 2009 at 2:56 pm
oh your heart bleeds for moscums doesn’t it?
Moscums asked for partition of their mother land based on religion of a screwed up mind fellow.
The moscums massacred kafirs in the name of the disease called islam.
Moscums are still massacaring kafirs in the name of that pedophile prophet rapist syphilitic cretin.
Moscums have killed many jews
moscums have displaced, killed and raped the kafirs in kashmir.Your soft heart still bleeds for these jihadi scums.Thats why I hate moscums.period.They are stupid and dangerous.they are like snakes
Hitler did not finish the job? Its down right arrogance, stupidity and mean wicked and simply put it moslem thought. Must be the moscums in India are be happy selling their daughters at the age of 6 or 7 to syphilitic sodi sheikhs.Sunna you see.Thats why I repeat with out hesitating
Islam is pure evil and moscums who follow evil are nothing but evil
No wonder the sodi masters treat you as dirt.You people produce daughters for selling them to sodi sheikhs and sons for jihadi cause.
January 8th, 2009 at 3:07 pm
Ekxotic.
If you found out that your best friend has previously committed multiple murders and that he actually is currently sleeping with a little girl below the age of puberty, that he beileves he once flew to the mars on a goat and that same friend of yours recognizes only your friends and has killed others that are not friends with you guys, that your friend was confirmed to have had some kind of convulsive seizures in the past WHAT WILL BE YOUR FIRST JUDGEMENT ON THAT FRIEND OF YOURS? no matter how you love your friend you wont trust him to guard your family if you should go for a 2 weeks trip because you know that anybody that claims to have been to mars presently using anything other than a space vehicle is more than just a liar considering his other record of serial killing, madman should not be trusted with one’s family especially if there is a an undreaged female.
Do yourself a favour and read through the prophetic traditions you will likely come up with another anomally concerning mad mo.
Do you get it now? this is called deductive reasoning, actions speak louder than words, mohammad was observed through the traditions and later diagonosed, many people in the past thought mohammad was mad, even at his own time.
If we agree to rule out the possibility of his lying, then the next logical objection to his diehard claim to Prophecy is that he was deluded, he was either mentally ill or (insert here what you think will cause a man to act incredibly crazy).
Was he mad?
“some arabs around the Prophet also accused him of madness, as Allah mentions in Surah 15, verse 6:”…Ingalls
*{And they [the Arab pagans] say, ‘O you to whom the Reminder has been revealed! You are most surely insane!’}*
So it is not only a sina’s opinion that Mohammad was mad, his own people told him to his face.
January 8th, 2009 at 3:53 pm
The Video above is not anymore disposable. Is Islamic Censorship already working?
It is working. Please check the settings of your computer. – FFI Team
January 8th, 2009 at 5:20 pm
ali sina have been proven wrong in most of his accusations by a guy called Crunchybear1.
Crunchybear1 has videos posted on youtube. His arguments are rather pathetic. Most Moslems will sound either crazy or pathetic when they try to defend islam. One of Crunchybear1’s argumets is this:
Ali Sina accuses Muhammad of paedophilia (because Muhammad married a 9 year old child).
BUT
since it was common for Byzantine emperors (sic!) to have child brides
AND
since Muhammad’s first wife (Khadija, who left him a widower) was older than he
THEN
Muhammad wasn’t a paedophile.
That’s islamic logic…
Crunchybear1 has a video on Ibn Sina known in the West by his latinised name Avicenna. Ibn Sina wasn’t a Moslem, because of his peculiar ideas about god: he was an Aristotelian philosopher and his god was the same one god of the Hellenistic philosophers and possibly the same God as Thomas Aquinas’, a Western Aristotelian philosopher and a Catholic. Using Ibn Sina to make islam look better is an offence to everybody’s intelligence and to Ibn Sina himself.
There’s no islamic school in the world following or teaching Ibn Sina’s ideas. As a matter of fact, if I’m not wrong, his books and writings were proscribed and burnt several times in the islamic world. The divorce of islam from Hellenistic philosophy was sanctioned by Al Ghazali, who is still an authority in the islamic world, while Ibn Sina is not. What Al Ghazali did was to bring back a lot of the irrationality of Asharism against the mysticism of Sufism and the rational views of the Mutazilites. If we know about Ibn Sina it’s because the West salvaged his works.
January 8th, 2009 at 9:44 pm
My heart bleeds for you too, proudkafir. In fact, it bleeds for every pathetic soul in this universe!
Muslims in India enjoy a great status. They can write an extremely derogatory book on Hinduism and then get praise and acclamation for it too after becoming a celebrity. Most famous bollywood stars are Muslims. Muslims outnumber every minority so they enjoy a higher status and thus get more privileges. They can pray openly, preach their religion openly, criticise Hinuism and other religions openly, eat beef openly, have multiple wives openly, and do all that without having to have the caste system applied on them. Where else would you find so much comfort?
January 8th, 2009 at 9:57 pm
“So it is not only a sina’s opinion that Mohammad was mad, his own people told him to his face.” Said Mr or Ms/Mrs BustedDivinity
Ali Sina does not ‘THINK’. He knows for SURE. Like everything happened right before him. He claims to follow logic and science like no one else. So what does the logic say here? It is a fact that even with all these advancements in medical science and science in general, we still have no way of diagnosing a history figure with any mental or physical disorders. Not even close. What Ali Sina did contradicts science, philosophy, logic, rationality, and even his own ideals to some extent too. Ali Sina most probably did that because he is hurt and traumatised inside for following a religion which he now believes is false. What he writes about Muhammad, Islam or Muslims is just a way of letting out his anger, hate and frustration. Plus he wants to be a famous person too. Who would blame him? I wouldn’t. I just try to tell him that he is wrong. Which he is! Period.
January 8th, 2009 at 10:33 pm
Ekxotic:
RE>>>>>>Ekxotic Ii would like to know about your views on the following :
1. The American war of Independence.
Know nothing about it. Absolutely nothing!
2. The holocaust.
Hitler couldn’t finish the job, i guess!
3. The Partition of India and the massaceres of Hindus and Sikhs by the Moslems.
What about vice versa?
4. The attacks on Israel, by Hammas.
What about vice versa?
Kindly let us know if these incidents actually took place or would you say that they never happened.
Wow I am astounded and impressed with your intellect.
January 8th, 2009 at 10:33 pm
I admit I have not read the book, but I am certain Saudi Arabia has suffered a spate of bad PR for its policy of prohibiting public practise of religions other than Islam. Please take it from me the reality is far removed from what is propagandised. I grew up Saudi Arabia and have lived there for 15 years. More than half of my entire life I have spent in that country. I can vouch for a fact that life in the Kingdom is not as bad as people make it out to be. For women, it is one of the safest places on earth. It is not true that women are forcibly hijabbed there.. they are only required to dress modestly. I think such a law very well takes care of women dressing themselves as whores, although I do not believe in enforcing this with religious police(muttawwa).
Anyway, I was really exited to follow the news about the launch of the Atheist Bus ad campaigns in the UK.
http://richarddawkins.net/article,3494,Atheists-launch-bus-ad-campaign,Ariane-Sherine
The campaign site has posted pictures of the campaign along with its initiators and members. . I was very disappointed to see Ariane Sherine dress up like a slut and pose in front of the camera. It is people like her who give the larger atheist community a bad name and send the wrong message out that we lack morals and ethics do not mean a thing for us. I couldnt help but wonder how on earth we in the west could implement Islamic values regarding rights of women and gender roles without breaching an individuals rights and freedom. I do not know how we can reconcile between freedom and ethics and values.
January 8th, 2009 at 10:49 pm
Oh my Lord.
January 8th, 2009 at 10:59 pm
Thanks, Marie
January 8th, 2009 at 11:30 pm
Sundried Atheist:
I agree on your views about women and life in Saudi Arabia. I have lived there too during my teen. Although I was too young to know these clearly I was still able to appreciate the different lifestyle they had in Saudi Arabia. True it is one of the safest places on earth for women, but women do give away a lot of their freedom in return to get this. I do not know if they think it is justified to do so, but then again they don’t have a choice in this matter.
“It is not true that women are forcibly hijabbed there.. they are only required to dress modestly. I think such a law very well takes care of women dressing themselves as whores, although I do not believe in enforcing this with religious police(muttawwa).”
I would actually disagree on this with you. Women ARE forcibly hijabbed there by the religious police called Muttawwas. My sister, on a number of occasions, was told explicitly and rudely to ‘cover her hair properly’ by these Muttawwas. And it was just her hair ’showing’ through the traditional black cloak and scarf she used to wear on her normal clothes. I think forcing someone to dress up like this is not dressing up modestly.
January 8th, 2009 at 11:43 pm
Ekxotic
“True it is one of the safest places on earth for women, but women do give away a lot of their freedom in return to get this.”
LOL. Saudi Arabia is a safe place for women? LOL. What a joke! There are many places in the world that are safe for women and we do not have to give up any of our freedoms to be safe.
January 8th, 2009 at 11:48 pm
Yeah whatever you say Marie. LOL or I am tripping on LSD and I see Lucy with the Diamonds on the SKY in my la la land.
January 8th, 2009 at 11:49 pm
Saudi is one of the few places on earth where women are not allowed to drive. The Saudis go to great lengths to protect women and their dignity. I think we have to be fair and unbiased and give credit where it is due. Just becuase we are against Islam, it does not mean we have to criticise every aspect of a culture that happens to be Islamic. You will have noticed I am one of the most strident critics of religion and Islam in particular. But I can appreciate good when I see it without being biased or judgemental about it.
@EKxotic, yes I agree with you. In some places the muttawwas take it to the extreme. But generally you do not see such behaviour. They are mostly partoling the streets looking for trouble makers.
January 8th, 2009 at 11:59 pm
Yes I agree. Would someone try telling this to ALI SINA? He only sees the glass half empty when it comes to Islam, Muslims, and Muslim countries. But the same Ali Sina chooses conveniently to see the same glass half full when it comes to anything that is not Islam — western society in particular. God, he is ’something’ to have debate with. Literally burns your brains out! How do you put it through his brain that everything is a combination of good and bad, right and wrong? Western societies have their bad aspects and Muslim societies have their good aspects. He chooses to ignore both and goes the other way around!
January 9th, 2009 at 12:01 am
Ekxotic
“Yeah whatever you say Marie. LOL or I am tripping on LSD and I see Lucy with the Diamonds on the SKY in my la la land.”
This is coming from someone who chooses a porn star username as his avatar.
January 9th, 2009 at 12:03 am
Hey I didn’t know that. So now that you have told me, tell me what’s wrong with that? Porn stars not humans? You acting like a Muslim?
January 9th, 2009 at 12:12 am
Yes porn stars are human. No unlike you I am not a Muslim, I am a Christian and I am proud of it.
January 9th, 2009 at 12:25 am
Ekxotic wrote“How do you put it through his brain that everything is a combination of good and bad, right and wrong?”
I am fully aware of that. Also there are many good things in Islam. These good things are the product of the goodness of people who happen to be Muslims. The evil part of Islam comes from its author. I have no beef with the good part of Islam, its architecture, calligraphy, poetry, mysticism, literature, art and whatever is made by humans and attributed to Islam. My beef is with Muhammad and his demonic message of hate and violence.
Ekxotic wrote“ Western societies have their bad aspects and Muslim societies have their good aspects. He chooses to ignore both and goes the other way around!”
Do the bad aspects of the Western societies come from Judeo-Christianity? Do the good part of Islamic societies come from Islam? The answer is no in both cases. We are criticizing Islam and its effect in the society, not the society itself. Islam is either evil or it is neutral. There is nothing good in Islam that you cannot find in other beliefs but there are plenty of evil teachings that are unique to Islam.
January 9th, 2009 at 12:33 am
Ali Sina wrote:
“Do the bad aspects of the Western societies come from Judeo-Christianity? Do the good part of Islamic societies come from Islam? The answer is no in both cases. We are criticizing Islam and its effect in the society, not the society itself. Islam is either evil or it is neutral. There is nothing good in Islam that you cannot find in other beliefs but there are plenty of evil teachings that are unique to Islam.”
Agree.
January 9th, 2009 at 6:23 am
Muslims can rape ,loot,kill,rob and sleep with their mothers openly and our G**du politicians will not do any thing apart from seeking mullah’s vote and handing over their daughters to moscums.The moslems in india can openly give their under age daughters to syphilitc old sodi sheikhs and politicians will turn the other way.there are many mscums who happily hand over their under age daughters to sodi sheikhs for use and throw at throw away price. Indians can do nothing.I agree. Perhaps only moscums born to these throw away price daughters will only know the importance of throw away price.
Are you also a product of throw away daughter? Hmm I wonder
January 9th, 2009 at 7:28 am
don’t wonder too much, proudkafir. keep your brain in P.
January 9th, 2009 at 7:42 am
This is how to you contradict yourself, Sina:
“I am fully aware of that. Also there are many good things in Islam. These good things are the product of the goodness of people who happen to be Muslims. The evil part of Islam comes from its author. I have no beef with the good part of Islam, its architecture, calligraphy, poetry, mysticism, literature, art and whatever is made by humans and attributed to Islam. My beef is with Muhammad and his demonic message of hate and violence.”
If you have no beef with the good part of Islam then how come there isn’t a single mentioning of good things about Islam in a positive way on your website and in your book? If you think Muhammad has given a message of hate then what do you think you are doing by running this website? Exactly the same thing, only the other way around.
“Do the bad aspects of the Western societies come from Judeo-Christianity? Do the good part of Islamic societies come from Islam? The answer is no in both cases. We are criticizing Islam and its effect in the society, not the society itself. Islam is either evil or it is neutral. There is nothing good in Islam that you cannot find in other beliefs but there are plenty of evil teachings that are unique to Islam.”
Why do you say Islam is either evil or neutral? I have already told you it is called black and white thinking and it’s actually a flaw in your reasoning — you don’t see it but others do. And why do you say there is nothing good in Islam that you cannot find in other religions? Can’t you even think of one single good thing unique to Islam? This is just your bias. And talking about evil things unique to a religion, which religion in the world tells its followers to burn a widow alive? Which religion tells not to touch the ‘untouchables’ and divides people in different castes? Which religion permits marriage between a man and his niece? Come on Sina, stop being so biased and irrational.
January 9th, 2009 at 7:43 am
Hey Marie, it’s actually Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds=LSD
January 9th, 2009 at 10:58 am
Ekxotic.
You are the one who is heavily biased here, from the first day I read sina’s criticism on Islam I read many places where he said times without number that muslims are victims of Islam and that no one is born evil but later ideologies could turn one into a bad person, the problem with your thinking is that you tend to bag both the actual terrible teachings of mohammad and the moderated versions that later apologetics designed either for taqiyya purposes or other reasons, when people like sina or anybody bashing Islam talks about Islam they mean the literal Islam that preaches naked hatred and violence as am sure you know what am talking about.
This website have more on the evil side of Islam because it aims at educating muslims and others about the dangers, if I should warn you about the dangers of swimming in a large shark infested ocean do you think I will give a damn telling you how nice swimming could be in that ocean????
And by the way, Mohammad was diagonosed by his own people in the 7th century, the result is still the same, he was mad, get over it.
January 9th, 2009 at 11:05 am
OK. I got over it. I feel so relieved now!
Sharks don’t eat humans unless they mistake them for ‘a big fat seal’. I would take my chances.
January 9th, 2009 at 11:07 am
And just a correction here:
“This website have more on the evil side of Islam because it aims at educating muslims and others about the dangers,”
This website has material only on the evil side of Islam for whatever reasons.
January 9th, 2009 at 12:12 pm
Ekxotic, do you believe FFI should also focus on exposing the absurdities, stupidity, irrationality, ignorance and superstition of other religions along with Islam? I think that is the way to go. And FFI should not allow Christians to write articles for the main page. They should be welcome in the forum, since it is an open platform for people of any faith or no faith at all. But I believe the main site should only contain contributions made by ex-muslims who havent jumped on another set of superstition and blindfaith. That would be ludicrous.
January 9th, 2009 at 12:22 pm
I take it that you are an indian moslem.It has taken many years for a few moscums to accept this terminology rather than their prefered moslem indian, where they ascribed secondary importance to their land of birth! So much for moslem patriotism.no wonder i see many moslem terrorists born and bred in india, killing Indians of all hues.
Why not just indian? Why Indian moslem? You want to show that you are follower of that pedophile, rapist, smelly arab, then its a different ball game.Otherwise Indian would be enough.
Oh by the way dont tell me an average moslem is not a terrorist etc.They are all scum bags as long as they follow pedophile rapist.
That arsehole allah could not even trace my email even when I was posting from sodi arabia! what a joke.
Islam is evil any which way you look at it. It has a lot to do with sex,rape,loot, robbery,kill, kafirs etc.Nothing spiritual. The few moslems thta i come across in India are all apostates and they are nice people only because they not believe the qrappy qrandic verses.
As some one said aptly” Qrandic followers kill, rape and maim with clear conscience, because allah allows and encourages them to do so.” How true indeed.
The tragedy is that the Arabs treat you ansars( helpers) with total disdain and allah himself treats you of secondary importance and still you praise the allah and arabs but are ready to kill your neighbours.That’s the tragedy of the nation and the people of this nation. Don’t worry.Kafirs are sensible and are taking note.This web site is for exposing the complete and eternal evil nature of islam.From inception islam has been evil.You can not silence people any more.The carbuncle of islam on the world needs to be excised and cauterised, lest it spread and reccur.Islam is evil.
January 9th, 2009 at 12:32 pm
Well Ekxotic I dont see how hungry sharks will get frightened by a fast human swimmer and not come on the defense which will turn to a feast, the reason you don’t see the good side of Islam here is because goodness is independent of religion, it is better to be good for goodness sake than to do it out of fear, if you see any good ethics being encouraged here is the natural goodness, not the twisted version of the golden rule from Islam that chooses only a brother (muslim) as the one it applies to, see the difference??
January 9th, 2009 at 12:56 pm
Sundried Atheist:
“Ekxotic, do you believe FFI should also focus on exposing the absurdities, stupidity, irrationality, ignorance and superstition of other religions along with Islam? I think that is the way to go.”
Well, I do not know about this. Honestly, I believe that a sensitive and personal matter as religion should be approached with extreme care and caution. I am not in favour of using ‘derogatory’ or ‘offensive’ terms to criticise any religion or its followers. That’s not how you try to convince someone. It is just counter productive. If this site is to criticise Islam and Islam only then be it so. But, do so in a civilised and cultured way. What Ali Sina does seems to have one objective only: debase Islam and Muslims in a most offensive and derogatory way possible!
“And FFI should not allow Christians to write articles for the main page. They should be welcome in the forum, since it is an open platform for people of any faith or no faith at all. But I believe the main site should only contain contributions made by ex-muslims who havent jumped on another set of superstition and blindfaith. That would be ludicrous.”
Again that’s up to the owner of the site to decide. As long as people as making useful contribution, which are favouring the objective of this website, it shouldn’t really matter who those people are and where they come from. But then again, the objective of this website IS to ridicule Islam and its followers in a offensive manner. I don’t know what policies Ali Sina has regarding this matter. I think everyone is welcome as long as you agree with him.
January 9th, 2009 at 1:02 pm
BustedDivinity. Says:
“Well Ekxotic I dont see how hungry sharks will get frightened by a fast human swimmer and not come on the defense which will turn to a feast, ”
What does that mean? Sharks do not eat humans unless they mistake them for seals. And you never said ‘hungry’ sharks. You just said sharks. OK? And tell you what, I have also heard from a friend’s uncle’s wife that when they do eat humans by mistake, they chuck out everything straightaway because they don’t like the taste of human flesh!
“the reason you don’t see the good side of Islam here is because goodness is independent of religion, it is better to be good for goodness sake than to do it out of fear, if you see any good ethics being encouraged here is the natural goodness, not the twisted version of the golden rule from Islam that chooses only a brother (muslim) as the one it applies to, see the difference??”
And what the hell does that mean?
January 9th, 2009 at 1:05 pm
proudkafir: I am telling you anything. Although I would recommend either Xenax, Ativan or Valium. MDMA would do wonders too. Take it and you are going to start kissing all the Muslims around. Now that’s what I call ‘ I am in heaven’.
January 9th, 2009 at 1:06 pm
Sorry Proudkafir, but the first sentence of my last post should read as ‘I am NOT telling you anything’
January 9th, 2009 at 1:37 pm
Ekxotic.
Don’t tell me you don’t know the difference between the real golden rule and the islamic version of it, well maybe you don’t, here it is:
The rule says: be your brother’s keeper.
The Islamic version of it says: be your brother’s keeper, but only a muslim brother.
Now do you get it? while the first one is for all humanity, the second one is restricted to muslims, we all know that the quran says you should not befriend or take any as helpers unless they are muslims, that’S the kind of goodness we don’t want to encourage here on FFI, we want to stick with the universal brother keeping, now DO YOU UNDERSTAND?
January 9th, 2009 at 1:50 pm
oh yeah sure, BustedDivinity.
“be your brother’s keeper, but only a muslim brother.”
Give me a reference where it says that word for word.
“we want to stick with the universal brother keeping”
By spewing out venom against Muslims and their religion? How is that ‘universal brother keeping’? Oh, you mean ‘universal brother keeping not including the Muslims’?
January 9th, 2009 at 2:19 pm
I have now poped 2 stilnoc and feel like hugging moslems.Ahh the pleasure of hugging, thieves, rapists, murderers, arsonists,ignoramuses,pedophiles, etc etc.I did not visit a prison to meet all these people.just a few pious moslems today at mosque near by( today is friday you see).
I do not have to like all the above people or is it mandatory to like all the above to make one love a moslem scum bag?? Give me a pious moslem, and i will show you how easily he can tuern in to any one of the above or all the above in a few minutes of discussion about the rapist pedophile.As I said before, it is not possible to discuss rationally at all with any moslem scum bag as long as he believes in pedophile.
I have had discussionwith APJK and you will be surprised to know that he has no iota of moscum bag thoughts! he listens to south Indian classical music and enjoys them.He is aware of many of the raagas.He does not know a word of urdu/arabic.His favourite godess is ? you guessed it right.Saraswati! Do you know why? All his juniors and seniors and acquaintances are all Non moslems.He is a through and through kafir, just like the rest of us.Hence he is an adorable person!
January 9th, 2009 at 2:37 pm
“I have now poped 2 stilnoc and feel like hugging moslems.Ahh the pleasure of hugging, thieves, rapists, murderers, arsonists,ignoramuses,pedophiles, etc etc.I did not visit a prison to meet all these people.just a few pious moslems today at mosque near by( today is friday you see).”
But don’t you use ’stilnoc’ to go to sleep? See, I knew your brain chemistry was screwed up.
“I do not have to like all the above people or is it mandatory to like all the above to make one love a moslem scum bag?? Give me a pious moslem, and i will show you how easily he can tuern in to any one of the above or all the above in a few minutes of discussion about the rapist pedophile.As I said before, it is not possible to discuss rationally at all with any moslem scum bag as long as he believes in pedophile.”
So what exactly are YOU right now? Sophisticated gentlemanly scholastic philosophical principled non-Muslim?
“I have had discussionwith APJK and you will be surprised to know that he has no iota of moscum bag thoughts! he listens to south Indian classical music and enjoys them.He is aware of many of the raagas.He does not know a word of urdu/arabic.His favourite godess is ? you guessed it right.Saraswati! Do you know why? All his juniors and seniors and acquaintances are all Non moslems.He is a through and through kafir, just like the rest of us.Hence he is an adorable person!”
What the hell is this?
January 9th, 2009 at 2:59 pm
The grand finale of the Great Controversy between God and Allah will soon be staged with the former will emerge victorious and the latter severely beaten and defeated and Allah and his devils will be banished forever resulting in this earth purified with God’s glory. Our human’s problems with the devils will be over. Peace will prevail.
We certainly want to see this long awaited encounter between the two. Yes, all eyes will see it!
January 9th, 2009 at 3:12 pm
APJK was president of India! does it make sense now???
January 9th, 2009 at 4:22 pm
Ekxotic.
Narrated Anas: Allah’s Messenger said, “No one of you becomes true believer until he likes for his brother what he likes for himself.” (Al-Bukhari and Muslim)
Now consider this verse:
Sura (5:51) – “O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.
Can you now see the violation of the rule clearly?? In the first place you should not even befriend them which halts the issue of going even close to them let alone helping them, the last part even warned muslims that they will become like the Jews or Christian whom allah’s help will never reach if they befriend the people of the book, if allah is unwilling to help the Jews and Christians then who is a muslim to apply the golden rule concept of helping each other to include everybody? what a muslim is allowed to share with the unbelievers can be found in verse 9:29, that is a muslim’s word on an unbeliever’s neck.
As you can see, muslims are in a world of their own.
January 9th, 2009 at 4:48 pm
95% of moslems in India are incapable of reading anything let alone arabic! Incidentally I can read and understand arabic fairly well.Though not classical arabic.Arabic is very easy to learn as it has only 14 alphabets.
99% of the moslems do not have an inch of idea as to what’s there in qran and the hadiths.This is the ground situation.The mad mullah’s preach to these illiterate gullible, idiotic,ignorant moslems what ever they want and prepare them.Thats the reason the politicians are queuing up with their daughters on tow , in front of mullah’;s houses for power Mullahs’ enjoy the daughters’ and politician the power.Power flows through the barrel of a gun they said.Looks like we need to change that power flows through the dik of mullah!
Madmullah and corrupt politician will bring devastation of the country
APJK is an adorable person because he is a nominal moslem.His thoughts and actions are in no way guided by the pedophile prophet. Any sensible decent human being will be ashamed to call himself a moslem.
January 9th, 2009 at 5:02 pm
Ekxotic says:
By spewing out venom against Muslims and their religion? How is that ‘universal brother keeping’? Oh, you mean ‘universal brother keeping not including the Muslims’?
Well if you look at the above verse I posted you will see that the muslims book decided they should not be universal, they should only have an UMMAH, also the venom you think we are spewing to muslims is the result of the poison some of us ex-muslim took when we were muslims i.e we are angry because Islam hijacked us before, and still some of our brothers and sisters in the cage, we are here to vent, we hate what Islam teaches, any muslim that comes in here is likely to take a bash because he represents the crazy ideology, we see several muslims world wide practicing the violent acts inspired by Islam, we ridicule them so that they come to their senses
January 9th, 2009 at 5:53 pm
Ekxotic wrote:
“Hey Marie, it’s actually Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds=LSD”
“proudkafir: I am telling you anything. Although I would recommend either Xenax, Ativan or Valium. MDMA would do wonders too. Take it and you are going to start kissing all the Muslims around. Now that’s what I call ‘ I am in heaven’.”
Well you are the expert on that, right? In fact that combination you are probably in heaven 24/7
January 9th, 2009 at 6:39 pm
Hi Ali Sina, I was wondering if you could stop attacking Mohammad. Calm down and please be patient, let me explain why none of us should attack the monster. Because it is God’s plan. Ok here it goes;
Did God know Mohammad will rape little Aisha when he first created him ?
The answer is yes. Even if God gave freewill to Mohammad to rape little Aisha, it shows God allowed Mohammad to rape her and he knew about the crime. And to explain this according to Christians’ mentality, it is GOD’S PLAN. Therefore it is not the fault of Mohammad to rape little Aisha. God wanted Mohammad to rape little Aisha. God’s plan… do you get it now ?
Please repeat the above in replace of Mohammad raped Aisha with drug dealers and serial killer. You will soon find that it is God’s plan no matter how you try to explain it. Therefore once again we shouldn’t blame Hitler, Osama, Bush, David Korash, Mohammad, Saddam Hussein… and many more monsters. Because these are God’s plans.
So Ali Sina do you get it now ? I hope by now you and many FFI regular customers will understand more about GOD’S PLAN now.
By the way, God’s will and God’s plan are equally funny. Please send some time and use maybe less than 0.001 percent of your brain cells to understand why.
January 9th, 2009 at 9:47 pm
hey marie: All I say is, ‘Trying is believing’. Have you read PIKHAL and TIKHAL by the Alexander and Ann Shulgin?
January 9th, 2009 at 9:58 pm
BustedDivinity:
Narrated Anas: Allah’s Messenger said, “No one of you becomes true believer until he likes for his brother what he likes for himself.” (Al-Bukhari and Muslim)
Now consider this verse:
Sura (5:51) – “O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.
OK, now tell me you know the difference when someone uses the word ‘friend’ and then uses the word ‘brother’. I told you to give a me a reference where it says what you put here ‘word for word’. I am asking you do so again. If you can’t do it, just relax and enjoy being an ally of ‘doctorer’ Ali Sina.
“Well if you look at the above verse I posted you will see that the muslims book decided they should not be universal, they should only have an UMMAH, also the venom you think we are spewing to muslims is the result of the poison some of us ex-muslim took when we were muslims i.e we are angry because Islam hijacked us before, and still some of our brothers and sisters in the cage, we are here to vent, we hate what Islam teaches, any muslim that comes in here is likely to take a bash because he represents the crazy ideology, ”
Well, at least you agree on thing, that your ‘golden rule’ is exactly the same as your ‘described’ Islamic golden rule, only the other way around. Your golden rule’s ‘universal brother keeping’ does not include Muslims because theirs golden rule does not include non-Muslims, hence you guys. So how you are different? Like I said, exactly the same, only the other way around.
“we see several muslims world wide practicing the violent acts inspired by Islam, we ridicule them so that they come to their senses”
Why do you see yourselves first before trying to bring someone else to their senses. I think Ali Sina at the moments needs it the most.
January 9th, 2009 at 10:02 pm
Licence to flush:
“Hi Ali Sina, I was wondering if you could stop attacking Mohammad. Calm down and please be patient,”
At least you and I agree on one thing:This guy Ali Sina sure needs to calm down.
And you did surprise me by using the words ‘brain cells’.
January 9th, 2009 at 10:32 pm
The mre I read this site and the forum, the more I am convinced that this place is a joke.
I am very sorry to say this but I do not see any effort on the part of Ali Sina to be intellectually honest. Its such a shame that someone as brilliant and talented as Ali Sina waste all his energy and burn out due to his unbridled hatred of Islam. I can see that he has personally been affected by Islam and he has every right to bear grudge against Muhammad(pbuh)’s madness. But not at the expense of giving legitimacy to the other so called prophets who were just as lunatic as Muhammad(pbuh) was. And I have no words to explain Ali Sina’s hypocritical stance on God and his arbitrary invoking of this imaginary friend in the sky to explain thiings when it suits him. You eiter believe in this sky junk called god or you dont.. If you dont, make it known in your site in no uncertain terms and do not try to appease religious nutters, These irrational religious god believers belong in mental hospitals. Yes, religion is a neuroological disorder. Ali Sina, who has spent the best part of his life studying psychology should know better.
I reiterate, we DO NOT want religious nutters in our fight against Islam. They are not our friends, they can never be. They are part of the problem. 5 billion people in the world suffer from this neurological disorder. Its about time we did something about it. I am sure if there were only 5000 people with this disorder we’d all be dragging them by the scuff of their neck into a psychiatry clinic.
January 9th, 2009 at 11:20 pm
Hey proudkafir: Muslims in India live in the largest (and poorest) democracy of the world. They enjoy that status. Plus, Muslims in India get to have multiple wives while the Hindus cannot. Muslims enjoy that too. Muslims can eat beef, Hindus cannot. Muslims can say whatever they want against Hinduism but the Hindus cannot do the same against Islam or Muslims. Muslims become top bollywood stars. Muslims marry their cousins and again the poor Hindus cannot. See, if I were you, I would rather be a Muslim in India. Where else would you find so much freedom being a minority?
January 9th, 2009 at 11:56 pm
First of all, straight away to all the muslims and non muslims, black, white, fat or thin, contributing to this discussion or reacting to this article and video either positively, negatively angrily , whatever! is the one of the signs of signs of God i.e the human spirit with all it’s complexity and dynamics.
I am a Muslim (before bashing me for being so) for those who hate Muslims, you would be suprised how right you are about some things, how ’stupid’ ”SOME” people are, Muslims, Arabs, English, American! There are stupid people nearly everywhere I don’t deny this. However, Saudi Arabia is a country , with a unique history, unique people and unique social customs and culture.
Saudi Arabia, makes me angry, they exaggerate in many issues, women can’t drive, racism, violence and many many other things. What can I say? Muslim Arabs (some of them, like some Christian Americans are stupid).
Saudia Arabia does not ’serve’ Islam! The prophet (May peace and blessings be upon him) was a kind man (go and find out for yourselves) God is challenging you to do so in the Quran.
Saudi people are a product of their ‘own’ beleifs! They believe men are superior to women, they believe in they have the superior race, they are racist! They believe women are cheap etc etc etc (It gets boring) .. This is the human ailment ‘humans’ are rubbish , we suffer from pride, rivalry we have have hate, we cause oppression, human beings are in a very very miserable and bad way.
Women are held in Saudi as prisioners and second class citizens, Saudi people treat foreigners bad. Rape, torture and violence… and for what????
Do you really think there is hope for people like this to go to paradise? Just because they enter a Mosque, own a personal copy of the Quran? Grow a beard? Have 4 wives?
To be a Muslim is not to be Saudi or Arab… that would be an INSULT to the faith of Islam, insult to God and an insult to his final messenger Muhammed (may peace be upon him) & insult to all of the prophets from Adam (as) to Jesus (as) and insult to all good people of good stature.
This world, and worldly things is what creates anarchy!!! Why do Muslim , Arab Saudi men hit there wives, destroy families? Kidnap children? They are angry, proud, full of hate, all of which are worldly feelings !!!
The video was good and I enjoyed watching it. The Saudi people and government need to help make Saudi Arabia a better place , a more Islamic place! A place where women have equal rights with men, a place where there is no forced residency on women and children!! Islam is easy, it is in line with the human nature, and is positive. Saudi needs women in leadership roles, in public offices, on the same platform as men. Women need to challenge the men!! Men have to let them do it!! This is their Islamic obligation!!!
To all of you here hating and bickering at each other over details, there is no time for that, haven’t you noticed we are in a world which is already facing too many problems? It should be constructive discussion, humans need to put differences aside and focus on doing the good!!! Our religious beleifs respected? For those Muslims/ Non Muslimd who feel it is their ‘religion’ to disrespect, kill, slander, torture, rape (God guide you) .. THIS IS NOT the act of a person of peace and love for God. You can not love God if you can not even love one another!!! This is an Islamic teaching!!!
I pray Arab Saudi’s learn to be better people and stop oppressing others and this goes for all people not just Saudi’s!!
I think 80% of what goes on in Saudi Arabia is against Islam, but where on earth is Islam perfected?
You should see how the Arabs were like before Islam?
Help each other and the world will be a better place Insha’allah.
January 9th, 2009 at 11:59 pm
no 1 im am pakistani not indian ( sorry if i offended stereotypes)
) ALI SINA for reasserting my faith in islam since the new year i have started praying 5 times a day and taking a larger intrest in my faith.I have live most of my school years here in ireland and i want to grow up and become a doctor and help people ( even none muslims ) and i have nothing but the utmost respect for my catholic friends and the few atheists. peace and blessing to all of you
no 2 my family is believed to be descendants of muhammad’s(saw) uncle.
i would like to say sorry if i offended anyone those are not my intentions as it says in the quran i only with to debate in the politest of ways with you (unless you are of the wrongdoers) and i belive you are just misguided not wrongdoers since most of you are only debaiting aginst islam not good deeds.
Do not argue with the People of the Book unless it is in the politest manner, except for those of them who do wrong. (Quran, 29:46).
excuse me if i sound like an extremest but i would rather die then “free” my self for “izlam” and give up being a “moslem”
and lastly i would like to THANK (omg
January 10th, 2009 at 12:11 am
also continuum please do not listen to those people who quote out of context at least read the chapter or the few verses befour and after it finding random quotes wont help ffi help spread hate and also there was once a lady who threw garbage everyday at prophet(saw) and the prophet went to visit her on her death bed wondering why the old women hadnt thrown garbage at him and the lady converted to islam on her death bed. Also where was a women whos 8 relative died in 9/11 but she still coneverted to islam. peace to all
January 10th, 2009 at 12:13 am
there are many muslims who think sensibly and unfortunately and are many who do not and have hatred aginst all of the western world
January 10th, 2009 at 12:15 am
“I know because I have heard it myself. In Quetta, Balochistan I have heard blood curdling cries of Hindu women and children while Muslims were shouting Allah Akbar and beheading Hindu children and raping Hindu women before slaughering them. I dare you to respond to my post. If Allah is kind why scream Allah Akbar and kill children? We judge Islam by the actions of Muslims not by their words.”
you dont need to tell me bro im from pakistan and as the quran says killing 1 man is like killing the whold of humanity
January 10th, 2009 at 12:18 am
“How can a totalitarian fascist political ideology be considered the true religion? Is it because you have been deluded into thinking that Izlam is the fastest growing religion? Who fed you that bowl of shit, the imam from the local masjid? Give your head a shake both of you and just look around you 2 years ago on YouTube, newspapers, TV and other news-networking/transmitting mediums, Muzlims practically had a monopoly over the PR and dawah campaigns. Now look @ the situation NOW everywhere you see people around the world are fighting back and fighting hard. Where you were once on the offensive, you fucks are now on the defensive.”
no.1 my local imam in gone to his home country to do charity work as far as i know and the person who wold me “izlam” was the fastest growing religion was my classes religion teacher who is a christan because i live in ireland
January 10th, 2009 at 12:24 am
i would also like to say at the time of moses “judaism” was not a word and the word christan is only used once in the bible when enemy degrade christans all of these prophets peace be on them all would have called their monothestic relligions islam which means total submission to god
January 10th, 2009 at 12:59 am
when i was praying i was remineded of the time when i went to masjide quba (forgie spelling errors) when the angle Gabriel went to Mohammad and told him to change the prayers direction to the ka’ba instead of Jerusalem and some of the jews and christans who were hypocrites converted back to their old religion thus purifying the ranks of islam
January 10th, 2009 at 1:39 am
fez,
What is out of context in the quoted verse. The verse 9:29 is clear. It is commanding Muslims to fight non-Muslims, especially people of the book (Christians and Jews). Let me quote again.
Fight against those who (1) believe not in Allâh, (2) nor in the Last Day, (3) nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allâh and His Messenger (4) and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth (i.e. Islâm) among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. (At-Tawbah 9:29)
Read the verse again and again. The verse clearly says to fight ALL non-Muslims, i.e. non-believers of Islam. There is no reason given to fight these non-believers. Note, the verse DOES NOT say that Muslims need to fight those non-believers who attack Muslims. It is a BLANKET statement against ALL people of the book (identified by the 4 points) whether they attack Muslims or NOT.
Don’t you think this is a command which makes OFFENSIVE JIHAD (qaatil) obligatory on all Muslims ?
January 10th, 2009 at 1:54 am
jihad is inner struggle it has nothing to to with war at all the only time quran tells muslim to kill was at the battle on uahad i think dude im not sure how you could have missed this but at the start of the chapter it says At-Tawbah9:6. And if anyone of the Mushrikûn (polytheists, idolaters, pagans, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allâh) seeks your protection then grant him protection, so that he may hear the Word of Allâh (the Qur’ân), and then escort him to where he can be secure, that is because they are men who know not.
ONCE AGAIN IT IS At-Tawbah 9:6 in the holy quran.
this is simply and clearly telling you if some one wants asylum then you not only give it to them but you ascort them to a place of peace and secrity. pace be on you my friend
January 10th, 2009 at 2:01 am
* Jihad of the heart (jihad bil qalb/nafs) is concerned with combatting the devil and in the attempt to escape his persuasion to evil. This type of Jihad was regarded as the greater jihad (al-jihad al-akbar).
* Jihad by the tongue (jihad bil lisan) is concerned with speaking the truth and spreading the word of Islam with one’s tongue.
* Jihad by the hand (jihad bil yad) refers to choosing to do what is right and to combat injustice and what is wrong with action.
* Jihad by the sword (jihad bis saif) refers to qital fi sabilillah (armed fighting in the way of God, or holy war), the most common usage by Salafi Muslims and offshoots of the Muslim Brotherhood.
January 10th, 2009 at 2:10 am
i have noticed that ali sina offten bashes at this chapter lol and there i a guy on you tube saying that everything ali sina was more or less a lie SO he acctually converted TO islam becasuse of him. mmmmm thats some gooood irony . and also to the guy saying ibn sina was a hyprocryte http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_3yWhThg10 peace be on you all and sorry for spamming you should really put in a edit button
January 10th, 2009 at 2:12 am
Wa Salaam Alykum, Im sorry the words are not in black, I tried too but I am a complete idiot when it comes to anything involving computers.
Abū ʿAlī al-Ḥusayn ibn ʿAbd Allāh ibn Sīnā (Persian: ابو علی الحسین ابن عبدالله ابن سینا, Arabic:أبو علي الحسین بن عبدالله بن سینا); (born c. 980 in Bukhara, Khorasan,died 1037 in Hamedan), also known as Ibn Seena and commonly known in English by his Latinized name Avicenna (Greek Aβιτζιανός), was a Persian polymath and the foremost physician and Islamic philosopher of his time. He was also an astronomer, chemist, geologist, Hafiz, logician, mathematician, physicist, poet, psychologist, scientist, Sheikh, soldier, statesman and Islamic theologian.
before any Faith freedom goons(Or “Salafi” Kharijjites) call Ibn Sina(RA) an Apostate Ibn Sina was a devout Muslim.
Ibn Sīnā was a devout Muslim and sought to reconcile rational philosophy with Islamic theology. His aim was to prove the existence of God and his creation of the world scientifically and through reason and logic.[79] Avicenna wrote a number of treatises dealing with Islamic theology. These included treatises on the Islamic prophets, whom he viewed as “inspired philosophers”, and on various scientific and philosophical interpretations of the Qur’an, such as how Quranic cosmology corresponds to his own philosophical system.[80]
Ibn Sīnā memorized the Qur’an by the age of seven, and as an adult, he wrote five treatises commenting on suras from the Qur’an. One of these texts included the Proof of Prophecies, in which he comments on several Quranic verses and holds the Qur’an in high esteem. Avicenna argued that the Islamic prophets should be considered higher than philosophers.
in the gracious words of MR.T GET SOME NUTS
January 10th, 2009 at 2:22 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ox2iZOKStCk&NR=1 wow these sound like a whole lot of “crooked minded people” i this is wath you call crooked i want to have the least about of brain cells as possible.
January 10th, 2009 at 3:43 am
Fez, you brainless idot. Jinns, iblees, flying buraq, angels, prophets, ,satan, gods etc are fairytale. They do not exist. Get a life. Grow a brain you idiot.All religions are HOAX. How can you still believe in all these superstitious junk in this day and age. You might as well believe in jack and the beanstalk if you are going to believe Allah took Muhammad(pbuh) on buraq to heaven without even supplemental oxygen for high altitude journey. Or do you also believe that noah lived in the belly of a fish for 3 days!!! You are an idiot. Get your head checked out. You need psychiatric help for your neurological disorder.
January 10th, 2009 at 3:56 am
Where is BustedDivine, proudkafir and Marie? I asked them a few questions? Ali Sina? Where are they?
January 10th, 2009 at 5:03 am
“jihad is inner struggle it has nothing to to with war at all the only time quran tells”
1. The verse 9:29 uses the word Qaatilu (fighting with sword or war) and NOT the word Jihad. So 9:29 makes war with people of book (offensive) and rest of the world, obligatory.
Qātilū Al-Ladhīna Lā Yu’uminūna Billāhi Wa Lā Bil-Yawmi Al-’Ākhiri Wa Lā Yuĥarrimūna Mā Ĥarrama Allāhu Wa Rasūluhu Wa Lā Yadīnūna Dīna Al-Ĥaqqi Mina Al-Ladhīna ‘Ūtū Al-Kitāba Ĥattaá Yu`ţū Al-Jizyata `An Yadin Wa Hum Şāghirūna (At-Tawbah: 29).
Fight against those who (1) believe not in Allâh, (2) nor in the Last Day, (3) nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allâh and His Messenger (4) and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth (i.e. Islâm) among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), until they pay the Jizyah[] with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. (At-Tawbah 9:29)
2. The literal meaning of the word “Zakah” means purity. Does one become pure by taking shower. The Shariah (legal) meaning for this word “Zakah” is that one has to give 2.5 % of their earnings as charity. One does NOT take the literal meaning here blindly.
Similarly it is true that the literal meaning of the word “jihad” means to strive. But one cannot use literal meaning of this word in this context. One takes the Shariah (legal) meaning of this word, and shariah (legal) meaning of this word “Jihad” is “War with weapons (Qaatil)”.
So it is clear that verse 9:29 makes “offensive Jihad” obligatory on Muslims.
January 10th, 2009 at 7:24 am
Oh phuulease gis a break wll you?
The surah is quoted out of context. Right here are the excuses moscums keep repeating and that does not work any more,How predictable these stupid brain dead, in short moscums are.
1.You are quoting the holy ( shit) verses out of context.
2.Quote the whole verse and verse before and verse after and the context in which the verse was revealed.As if any one but the idiotic moscums are inetersted in that soporific crap.
3.Its mistranslation and its not so in classical arabic.
5.Ahh but you need to be an expert to understand the inner meaning of qran( as if all the scum bag indian and paki moscums are experts in classical arabic)
6.You have read qran and have not understood qran.
7.I shall not discuss with any one who starts with doubting qrandic verses.
8.I will kill you kafir.you are not allowed to criticise the prophet.
9..Best way is not to discuss allah. i trust only qran.
10.You need to read not only qrandic verses but also hadiths and tafsirs.See the contrary advise above?
Also See the similarities between the qrandic followers and biblical idiots?
They start off with shada.Allaha dallal stuff.Then soon the language degenerates to the qrandic level and soon the biblical idiots reach there.
Moscums are the worst lot because the qrandic verses teach you the vile behaviour and language very early.
Apart from the above excuses moscums have never been able to give any excuse or argue coherently, with out getting their knickers( ? Khaki!) in a twist.
That cretin SRK says there are two islams.One from allah and one from mullah! He thinks he is smart and there are millions of idiots willing to lap it up No one is asking what’s the difference? Shit from the same bucket.Top or bottom does it matter?.Allah is the a***hole the rapist mohammad is the g**ndu.Moscums in India are by far the best of the the remaining scums.The long association with the non muslims in majority in india has to an extent altered the thinkings of these moslems in India.We need to try harder.
January 10th, 2009 at 12:04 pm
At-Tawbah9:6. And if anyone of the Mushrikûn (polytheists, idolaters, pagans, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allâh) seeks your protection then grant him protection, so that he may hear the Word of Allâh (the Qur’ân), and then escort him to where he can be secure, that is because they are men who know not.
[9:4-5] If the idol worshipers sign a peace treaty with you, and do not violate it, nor band together with others against you, you shall fulfill your treaty with them until the expiration date. GOD loves the righteous. Once the Sacred Months are past, (and they refuse to make peace) you may kill the idol worshipers when you encounter them, punish them, and resist every move they make. …
wow sure sounds like one evil book……
January 10th, 2009 at 12:14 pm
and to the atheist guy telling me to stop believing in “fairy tales” if these are just some “fairt tales” then http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cFNY3_EMeQ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2SxtdlaH4A&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Fl0HU0ox3Q&feature=related scients with the new technologies are only just begening to realise how correct the quran really is
January 10th, 2009 at 12:16 pm
and s urely if the quran wanted me to kill aff of the unbelivers then why the f… would i live in a catholic country
January 10th, 2009 at 12:16 pm
Islam is evil any which way you look.. The evil foot soldiers of allah have time and again proved the evil designs of allah , rapist mohammad and the toilet tissue qrand.The filth kasab does not have any remorse that he has killed many unarmed people.he expects the pimp allah to provide him with 72 virgins and 28 boys for his eternally stiff dik in heaven.Some hope has of reaching heaven.These indian moscums have the gall to describe this evil as a religion of peace!
Kasab is the real face of evil islam.Not that christianity was far behind.They are and were equally culpable. Right now islam is the present danger and has been so for 1400 years since the birth fo that rapist when his mother got banged by a pig.1400 years ago in a desert.That why he hated pigs as pig left him as an orphan. Islam Is EVIL.Never tire of repeating.Islam is evil.
January 10th, 2009 at 12:28 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ixfk4LsKWnw&feature=related
And We sent down iron in which there lies great force and which has many uses for mankind…. (Surat al-Hadid: 25) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTV30TMva_0 wow if an illiterate “crooked” minded “pedophile” could come up with this(astagfurullah) in the middle of the dessert why have scientists only come to realise what he did 1400 years or so later .
All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
Arthur Schopenhauer
German philosopher (1788 – 1860)
January 10th, 2009 at 12:46 pm
apprently this “rapist”(astagfurillah) never had sex until he was married now isint that interesting.
January 10th, 2009 at 1:51 pm
proudkafir: I am just wondering, why do you have to spell so wrong? If it’s intentional then I think you are putting a lot of effort on nothing useful. Try putting the same amount of effort in your arguments so they at least make ’some’ sense and with that they also become more understandable.
So why do you think the jews hate pigs? Same reason?
January 10th, 2009 at 1:55 pm
Oh I just wonder! How many psychiatric wards did Ali Sina visit before he started this cult called FFI?
January 10th, 2009 at 2:11 pm
the only thing ali sina is doing is making more steriotypes and giving random quotes about war from the quran
January 10th, 2009 at 2:47 pm
Jews also hate pigs! Ofcourse jews do not like pigs.Every concept of both the evil qrand and Bible are copied from Torah. So a there is simple explanation for jews not so much liking pigs. Allah not liking pigs? Simple.The cretin from the desert just heard from another desert cretin and lo and behold allah the pimp proclaims.Pigs are not to be eaten.Allah the pimp also turned some jews in to pigs and apes.What a pimp. May be the pimp allah got thrashed by the jews for not supplying virgin muslimahs.
The message board is for posting, views that clearly warn about the evilnature of islam in particular. Its a different matter that both allah and lord get called different names.The allah the pimp and the lord have a simple choice.They both are all knowing and all perceiving and can do any thing.They can put their combined efforts and stop this site.Even cretin sodi’s have banned this site in sodi barbaria.If such cretins like sodi’s can do why not the joint operations of the pimp and the dead jew on a stick?
Sooner people realise that all religions are man made the better it is for the world.Other wise we are going to have a “mad” clash and mutually assured destruction.
January 10th, 2009 at 3:30 pm
Proudkaifr, I have to say that I liked this last post by you. So a cretin heard from another cretin in the desert and the then the pigs were forbidden? So what happened to Christianity? Doesn’t it fall between Judaism and Islam? What happened to the cretin called JC?
By the way, who are you trying to piss off here? Me? Why waste your energy?
Are you a member of Ali Sina’s cult or just a ‘visitor passing by’? If you are not a member I guess you can easily qualify to apply for his cult’s gold membership. If he is watching you writing all this then I am sure he’s preapproved you as we exchange words and an invitation is on its way! I think that Bengali freak scholar Abul Kasam didn’t even qualify for his silver membership! Lucky you!
January 10th, 2009 at 3:38 pm
not point is arguing with proudkafir he dosent believe in simple facts. let me quote some thing i heard from a very wise man “do not argue with retards they bring you down to their level and beat you with experience”
January 10th, 2009 at 5:54 pm
Fez wrote:
“i would also like to say at the time of moses “judaism” was not a word and the word christan is only used once in the bible when enemy degrade christans all of these prophets peace be on them all would have called their monothestic relligions islam which means total submission to god”
None of the prophets in the Bible called their religion Islam. There is nothing in the Bible or in archaeological and historical evidence to prove this. Plus there is no evidence to support that Islam existed before the coming of Muhammed. Also the word Islam is an Arabic word and the Jews did not speak Arabic nor did they have much contact with the language since the Arabic speaking people’s lived in Saudi Arabia and the Jews lived in Israel which are thousands of miles away from each other.
Ekxotic wrote:
“Where is BustedDivine, proudkafir and Marie? I asked them a few questions? Ali Sina? Where are they?”
I must have missed something here.
January 10th, 2009 at 6:15 pm
have you ever read the bible in hebrew …
January 10th, 2009 at 6:23 pm
christanity was corropted by the roman who never liked it in the first place and changed it to their liking such as the the celebrated the sabbath on the sevent day also the day they worshiped the sun god and the pictures of jesus is of apollo the sun god if memory serves me correctly and jesus wasnt even born on the 25th or december he was actually bron sometime in spring.
January 10th, 2009 at 6:25 pm
the jews traveld from israle to madina and waited for mohammed (pubh) as the prophices sugggested he would be in saudi arabia but when they found out he was a descendant of Ishmael they rejected him
January 10th, 2009 at 7:40 pm
Fez wrote:
“christanity was corropted by the roman who never liked it in the first place and changed it to their liking such as the the celebrated the sabbath on the sevent day also the day they worshiped the sun god and the pictures of jesus is of apollo the sun god if memory serves me correctly and jesus wasnt even born on the 25th or december he was actually bron sometime in spring.”
There are thousands of archaeological and historical evidence that support the Bible and there are the new testament papyri and the writings of the early church fathers who lived before the time of Constantine ( they lived in the 2nd century A.D. )that support what the new testament says about Jesus’s divinity.
“the jews traveld from israle to madina and waited for mohammed (pubh) as the prophices sugggested he would be in saudi arabia but when they found out he was a descendant of Ishmael they rejected him”
The Jews rejected Muhammed when he could not provide any evidence for his prophetship. Also the coming of Muhammed is not mentioned in the Bible and God’s covenant in the old testament was with the Jews. Muhammed was not Jewish, he was a pagan. Also there is nothing to support his claim that he was a descendent of Ishmael.
January 10th, 2009 at 8:08 pm
once again i would like to point out that the word jew did no exist in moses time who was the apparent founder of Judaism and fyi mohammed was never a pagan the religion that was in mecca befour islam was a religion of Abraham but it was courropted Abraham thought people that there was only one god and Ishmael also taught that the Arabs married their god and called them daughters and wives of Allah and stuff their pagan religion had originated from a monotheistic religion and Jews do acknowledge Abraham and so do the christans
January 10th, 2009 at 8:19 pm
Fez once again i would like to point out that the word jew did no exist in moses time who was the apparent founder of Judaism and fyi mohammed was never a pagan the religion that was in mecca befour islam was a religion of Abraham but it was courropted Abraham thought people that there was only one god and Ishmael also taught that the Arabs married their god and called them daughters and wives of Allah and stuff their pagan religion had originated from a monotheistic religion and Jews do acknowledge Abraham and so do the christans”
We do acknowledge Abraham, but there is no evidence that Abraham was ever in Mecca. There are thousands and thousands of archaeological findings that support the Bible as a reliable book, so there is no basis to support the notion the Bible was corrupted by the Jews.
January 10th, 2009 at 8:40 pm
i have never once said the bible was corrupted by the jews i said it was corrupted by the romans
January 10th, 2009 at 8:44 pm
if you wanna talk about reliability then http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfwM2cO__j8&NR=1
January 10th, 2009 at 8:45 pm
The Bible was never corrupted by the Jews, Christians, or the Romans and there is no evidence to support such belief.
January 10th, 2009 at 8:48 pm
Arab connection
A line in the Book of Jubilees (20:13) mentions that the descendants of Abraham’s son by Hagar, Ishmael, as well as his descendants by Keturah, became the “Arabians” or “Arabs”. The 1st century Jewish historian Josephus similarly described the descendants of Ishmael (i.e. the Ishmaelites) as an “Arabian” people.[17] He also calls Ishmael the “founder” (κτίστης) of the “Arabians”.[18] Some Biblical scholars also believe that the area outlined in Genesis as the final destination of Ishmael and his descendants (”from Havilah to Assyria”) refers to the Arabian peninsula. This has led to a commonplace view that modern Semitic-speaking Arabs are descended from Abraham via Ishmael, in addition to various other tribes who intermixed with the Ishmaelites, such as Joktan, Sheba, Dedan, Broham, etc. Both Judeo-Christian and Islamic traditions speak of earlier inhabitants of Arabia.
Classical Arab historians traced the true Arabs (i.e., the original Arabs from Yemen) to Qahtan and the Arabicised Arabs (people from the region of Mecca, who assimilated into the Arabs) to Adnan, said to be an ancestor of Muhammad, and have further equated Ishmael with A’raq Al-Thara, said to be ancestor of Adnan. Umm Salama, one of Muhammad’s wives, wrote that this was done using the following hermeneutical reasoning: Thara means moist earth, Abraham was not consumed by hell-fire, fire does not consume moist earth, thus A’raq al-Thara must be Ishmael son of Abraham.[19]
January 10th, 2009 at 8:55 pm
“The Bible was never corrupted by the Jews, Christians, or the Romans and there is no evidence to support such belief.” yea nothing to support the corruption except the endless amount of contradiction and there are aslo blasphemous thin which even say jesus sins and that even god lies
Matthew 27:46
About the ninth hour Jesus cried out in a loud voice, “Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani,”—which means, “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”For the LORD loves justice And does not forsake His godly ones; They are preserved forever, But the descendants of the wicked will be cut off.”psalm 73:28
January 10th, 2009 at 9:01 pm
i forgot to say peace be on all the prophets
January 10th, 2009 at 9:04 pm
There is a problem with that assertion, the area where Hagar and Ishmeal settled was not Saudi Arabia.
20:12-13
# And he gave to Ishmael and to his sons, and to the sons of Keturah, gifts, and sent them away from Isaac his son, and he gave everything to Isaac his son.
# And Ishmael and his sons, and the sons of Keturah and their sons, went together and dwelt from Paran to the entering in of Babylon in all the land which is towards the East facing the desert.
# And these mingled with each other, and their name was called Arabs, and Ishmaelites.
Babylon is was not located in Saudi Arabia, it was located in Iraq.
Havilah and Assyria were not located in Saudi Arabia. Assyria was located near Iraq.
January 10th, 2009 at 9:06 pm
thats the last time i use wikipedia
January 10th, 2009 at 9:07 pm
i thought babylon was near turkey oh well you learn something new everyday
January 10th, 2009 at 9:12 pm
Fez wrote:
”For the LORD loves justice And does not forsake His godly ones; They are preserved forever, But the descendants of the wicked will be cut off.”psalm 73:28
This verse means his godly ones will be with him in heaven, while the wicked will be cut off ( they will go to hell ).
Matthew 27:46 talks about as Jesus hung up there on the cross, he took upon the sins of humanity and therefore God who is righteous could not stand the sight of Jesus because he was covered with the filth of humanity, so God left. Jesus then died on the cross, was thrown into hell because he was covered with the sins of humanity and was resurrected and ascended up into heaven.
January 10th, 2009 at 9:13 pm
“thats the last time i use wikipedia”
wikipedia is not that reliable.
January 10th, 2009 at 9:13 pm
im more interested in watching simpsons instead of proving to someone that their religion is wrong Sura 29:46 (AI-Ankabut) says: “And do not argue with the people of the Book (Jews and Christians) except in the best way, unless it be with those among them who do evil. and since i dont know you personally i dont how if you are evil
January 10th, 2009 at 9:15 pm
What are you trying to say?
January 10th, 2009 at 9:15 pm
and no offence to you at all but i dont like the orignal sin i think its disgusting
January 10th, 2009 at 9:16 pm
im trying to say that i can not “argue in the best of way ” because im distracted by homer simpson
January 10th, 2009 at 9:17 pm
Oh well. It was nice talking to you.
January 10th, 2009 at 9:23 pm
was nice talking to you too it meaby ill see you later
i gotta go eat dinner soon
January 10th, 2009 at 9:31 pm
You will surely find the most intense of the people in animosity toward the believers [to be] the Jews and those who associate others with Allah; and you will find the nearest of them in affection to the believers those who say, “We are Christians.” That is because among them are priests and monks and because they are not arrogant.5:82 quran the christans and muslims and jews have always been good friends had should continue to be friends regardless of brainwashing by ali sina
January 10th, 2009 at 10:09 pm
Come out Ali Sina. I want to talk to you. Enough talking to your aliases. Come out of your hide. Promise I won’t humiliate you too much.
January 10th, 2009 at 10:32 pm
Sorry, Ali Sina. Shouldn’t have used the word ‘humiliate’ . That IS actually humiliation.
January 11th, 2009 at 12:31 am
MARCO
January 11th, 2009 at 12:34 am
ali sina tell us what you see in youre magical crystal ball
January 11th, 2009 at 2:48 am
“At-Tawbah9:6. And if anyone of the Mushrikûn …..they are men who know not.”
This verse talks about messengers etc. of Mushrikun and other non-Muslims. They used to come to Muhammad to negotiate peace with the prophet or conduct business activities with Muslims. So Muhammad allowed these people to hear about Islam and were offered safe passage to let their respective tribes know about Islam in places where Muhammad had not conquered yet. This is a simple political move to attract more Kafirs to Islam. This verse does NOT show anything positive of about Islam.
“[9:4-5] If the idol worshipers sign a peace treaty with you, and do not violate it, nor band together with others against you, you shall fulfill your treaty with them until the expiration date. GOD loves the righteous. Once the Sacred Months are past, (and they refuse to make peace) you may kill the idol worshipers when you encounter them, punish them, and resist every move they make. …
wow sure sounds like one evil book……”
Fez,
Why did you deceitfully add “(and they refuse to make peace)” inbetween ?
Let me quote 9:5
Then when the Sacred Months (the Ist, 7th, 11th, and 12th months of the Islâmic calendar) have passed, then kill the Mushrikûn wherever you find them, and capture them and besiege them, and prepare for them each and every ambush. But if they repent and perform As-Salât (Iqâmat-as-Salât), and give Zakât, then leave their way free. Verily, Allâh is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. (At-Tawbah 9:5)
Where DOES it say anywhere “(and they refuse to make peace)” ? This verse 9:5 clearly says that Meccan polytheists are to be slaughtered like animals unless they accept Islam. Does it NOT prove that Islam authorizes murdering people only for religion.
Note that whatever the reason these Meccan polytheists were attacked for, the verse itself clearly shows that they are attacked ONLY until the time they DO NOT accept Islam. This clearly shows that RELIGIOUS BIGOTRY is the PRIMARY MOTIVE behind this attack and all other reasons are superfluous and irrelevant as per the verse.
You also quote verse 9:4 which says
Except those of the Mushrikûn with whom you have a treaty, and who have not subsequently failed you in aught, nor have supported anyone against you. So fulfill their treaty to them to the end of their term. Surely Allâh loves Al- Mattaqûn (the pious – see V.2:2). (At-Tawbah 9:4)
Please answer me, WHAT HAPPENS TO THESE PAGANS after the end of their terms ? The verses clearly shows that hey will have to accept Islam or die, if they live in Arabian peninsular. If they are outsiders, then verse 9:6 applies.
All the verses you quoted clearly establish RELIGIOUS BIGOTRY and INTOLERANCE.
January 11th, 2009 at 2:59 am
NOTHING HAPPENS IN THE END WE ALL LIVE IN PEACE STOP QUOTING FROM A VERS WHO WAS TELLING MUSLIMS TO FIGHT IN A BATTLE WHICH HAPPED 1400 YEARS BACK ?THIS VERSE SPEAKS ABOUT WAR WITH THE ANTI CHRIST WHO THE JEWS WILL THINK IS THE MESSIAH (or atleast most )IN THE END THEY WILL ALL BECOME MUSLIMS 1400 YEARS AGO and i did not add any thing i just copyed and pasted / i am telling you simple and straight forward stuff if 1.4 billion people wanted to kill the other people dont you think they would have done so already why do you think this apperent “blood thirsty religion” has the biggest conversion rate .
January 11th, 2009 at 2:59 am
sorry typos
January 11th, 2009 at 3:01 am
this is a religion of peace i would hate to think what kind of even worse things middle eastern people whould be doing if islam wasnt there
January 11th, 2009 at 3:03 am
probably canabalism or worse i suspect i mean seriously the arabs yoused to kill women frequently in arabia befour islam middle east would have probably died out long ago if we did not get knowledge from the quran
January 11th, 2009 at 3:05 am
if it wasent for the good values that religions teach then atheism would probably never have the chance to grow because we would probably be uncivilized savages
January 11th, 2009 at 3:06 am
seriously if it want for christanity people would probably have large battles between slaves in large foot ball stadiums
January 11th, 2009 at 3:06 am
wasent*
January 11th, 2009 at 3:10 am
Now that’s much more intelligent solution. Bravo, Ali Sina.
January 11th, 2009 at 3:16 am
“9.4″: Except those of the idolaters with whom you made an agreement, then they have not failed you in anything and have not backed up any one against you, so fulfill their agreement to the end of their term; surely Allah loves those who are careful (of their duty).
“9.5″: So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
“9.6″: And if one of the idolaters seek protection from you, grant him protection till he hears the word of Allah, then make him attain his place of safety; this is because they are a people who do not know.
here you go this is another source refering to the same chapter
January 11th, 2009 at 3:35 am
Fez,
I think I am wasting my time with you. Do you think Quran verses are NOT applicable to present day ? If they are NOT, why even bother ? and what does anti-Christ have to to do with this verse ?
I advice you to go and ask your mullahs/scholars regarding these verses, whether they authorize OFFENSIVE JIHAD. I am done with you.
January 11th, 2009 at 3:35 am
Take not life, which Allah hath made sacred, except by way of justice and law: thus does He command you, that ye may learn wisdom.) (Al-An`am 6: 151
Fight in the cause of God those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for God loveth not transgressors. (The Noble Quran, 2:190)”
“Fight in the cause of God those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for God loveth not transgressors. (The Noble Quran, 2:190)”
“On that account: We ordained for the Children of Israel that if any one slew a person – unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land – it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people. Then although there came to them Our apostles with clear signs, yet, even after that, many of them continued to commit excesses in the land. (The Noble Quran, 5:32)”
“Those who invoke not, with God, any other god, nor slay such life as God has made sacred except for just cause, nor commit fornication; – and any that does this (not only) meets punishment. (But) the Penalty on the Day Of Judgement will be doubled To him, and he will dwell Therein in ignominy. (The Noble Quran, 25:68-69)”
“But if the enemy incline towards peace, do thou (also) incline towards peace, and trust in God: for He is One that heareth and knoweth (all things). (The Noble Quran, 8:61)”
“If thou dost stretch thy hand against me, to slay me, it is not for me to stretch my hand against thee to slay thee: for I do fear God, the cherisher of the worlds. (The Noble Quran, 5:28)”
“God does not forbid you from showing kindness and dealing justly with those who have not fought you about religion and have not driven you out of your homes. God loves just dealers. (The Noble Quran, 60:8)”
“And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for God. But if they desist, then let there be no hostility except against wrongdoers. (The Noble Quran 2:193)”
“Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy handhold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things. (The Noble Quran, 2:256)”
“Again and again will those who disbelieve, wish that they had bowed (to God’s will) in Islam. Leave them alone, to enjoy (the good things of this life) and to please themselves: let (false) hope amuse them: soon will knowledge (undeceive them). (The Noble Quran, 15:2-3)”
“Say, ‘The truth is from your Lord’: Let him who will believe, and let him who will, reject (it):……(The Noble Quran, 18:29)”
“If it had been thy Lord’s will, they would all have believed,- all who are on earth! wilt thou then COMPEL mankind, against their will, to believe! (The Noble Quran, 10:99)”
“Say: ‘Obey Allah, and obey the Messenger: but if ye turn away, he is only responsible for the duty placed on him and ye for that placed on you. If ye obey him, ye shall be on right guidance. The Messenger’s duty is only to preach the clear (Message). (The Noble Quran, 24:54)”
“Say : O ye that reject Faith! I worship not that which ye worship, Nor will ye worship that which I worship. And I will not worship that which ye have been wont to worship, Nor will ye worship that which I worship. To you be your Way, and to me mine. (The Noble Quran, 109:1-6)”
“Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it set in a spring of murky water: Near it he found a People: We said: ‘O Zul-qarnain! (thou hast authority,) either to punish them, or to treat them with kindness.’ (The Noble Quran, 18:86)”
January 11th, 2009 at 3:36 am
dude you dont really know much about islam do you just the random out of context quotes that you got from google
January 11th, 2009 at 3:41 am
Ekxotic,
I said “Hi Ali Sina, I was wondering if you could stop attacking Mohammad. Calm down and please be patient,”
You said “At least you and I agree on one thing:This guy Ali Sina sure needs to calm down. ”
So should you Ekxotic
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You said “And you did surprise me by using the words ‘brain cells’.
Of course the word brain cells is a surprise to you because you don’t EVEN have one.
Anyway do you know that Allah created Jews to kill Muslims in Gaza ? Please don’t protest against the war in Gaza. It is Allah’s will to destroy Islam there. And you must agree with me if you believe Allah is real and he created everything including Jews and that he knows everything including the war and that he is every where including Gaza.
So you see Ekxotic, since Allah is every where and he is watching Muslims defeated by Israel many times BUT he didn’t do anything to help Muslims because…..
1. Allah wants to test Muslims ? If this is true then Allah is NOT sure about Muslims. Allah lied he knows everything. If Allah knows what muslims can do, he needs no test on the monster if he created.
2. Allah hates Muslims ? Well if Allah is real and this one really make sense at all. Don’t you see how Allah helped Bush to kill Muslims in Iraq. Allah even help Shia and Sunni Muslims to kill each other. And now he created Jews to destroy Islam and Muslims. If I were you I will prefer to believe in this one. At least it makes more sense. Agree ?
3. Allah is afraid of Jews and infidels. That is why he never show up whenever we are there right ? If this is true then Muslims should worship us. Because we are more powerful than Allah.
4. Allah is not real ? If he is not real then there is nobody to help the pathetic Muslims every time when they face the Jews who are far more smarter and stronger than them. Try to think if Allah is not real before you explain the world events ok ? Maybe you will wake up someday if you do it many times.
Now which one do you think make sense ? Please chose one to believe before we continue further ok ?
January 11th, 2009 at 4:00 am
Fez,
The above commentary is also meant for you. Please share it with Ekxotic ok ?
Please never stop enjoying the misery Allah brings to Islam and all Muslims in Middle East ok ?
Also you must never jealous the pork eating land such as Japan, Korea, Singapore, China who is doing far more better than those who don’t eat pork at all. Do you need more examples ?
Japan (love pork) vs Palestine (hate pork) : Which one do you think is more fucck up ? Which one do you think Allah helped most ?
Hong Kong (love pork) vs Iraq (hate pork) : Which one do you think is more chaotic ? Which one do you think Allah helped most ? In terms of economy, social status, environment, morality. Bare in mind if you follow Mohammad to rape little girl in Hong Kong you will be jailed. Please beware of halal habits when you are in pork eating land. Yes if you compare the numbers or suicide bombing between the 2 countries definitely Iraq won with no fight at all. But what about the number of people starving each day ? Are they more than people in Hong Kong ? I am sure you know the answer well don’t you ?
Lastly I hope you will survive under the hunt of Allah in destroying all Muslims in the world. We all condemn Allah to practice violence in Gaza. We disagree with Allah for being so intolerance to Muslims in Gaza who have wasted so much time following what he says and do and yet fucck things up terribly. I feel sad for the Muslims in Gaza. They were betrayed by Allah whom they trust most. How sad.
January 11th, 2009 at 6:06 am
Now now we have the islamic cretinoid foot soldiers filling the message board with qrandic qrap. Please we have had enough of the taqiyya shit from moscums and islamic cretins.Only a certified idiot or a moscum will bellieve the nonsense qrand.The religion of peace.
Let us see how peaceful its followers are.Open the news item about Pakisthan on the net and see how the peaceful followers of this shit islam are killing people in the name of that arshole allah. Peace of grave yard yes.thats what islam brings .Islam has always had bloody borders with its neighbours.Where ever islam goes it brings blood bath.The arshole allah and pimp mohammad are the two most evils. Followed by the followers of qrand.
My advise to indian moscums is please do not hand over your 6 year old daughters to 90 year old sodi sheikhs in Jawaz al muttah. I am sure moscums understand the meaning of muttah marriage. Many of them here are products of such marriages.Only in evil islam there is a system called jawaz al Muttah.
Are non moslems also allowed to marry 9 year old muslimahs?What a qrap what qrand .
January 11th, 2009 at 6:22 am
Please read the conversation between scumbag moslem terrorists anf their paki shit handlers.Is there a doubt at all about Islam being a complete evil? Through and through evil.
Conversations between Muslim terrorists and their Pakistani handlers
Taj Mahal Hotel 0108 hours
Pakistan caller: How many hostages do you have?
Mumbai terrorist: We have one from Belgium. We have killed him. There was one chap from Bangalore. He could be controlled only with a lot of effort.
Pakistan caller: I hope there is no Muslim amongst them?
Mumbai terrorist: No, none.
0126 hours
Pakistan caller: Are you setting the fire or not?
Mumbai terrorist: Not yet. I am getting a mattress ready for burning.
Pakistan caller: What did you do with the dead body [on the boat]?
Mumbai terrorist: Left it behind.
Pakistan caller: Did you not open the locks for the water below? [Thought to be a pre-arranged plan to sink the vessel.]
Mumbai terrorist: No, they did not open the locks. We left it like that because of being in a hurry. We made a big mistake.
Pakistan caller: What big mistake?
Mumbai terrorist: When we were getting into the boat, the waves were quite high. Another boat came. Everyone raised an alarm that the Navy had come. Everyone jumped quickly. In this confusion, the satellite phone of Ismail got left behind.
n 0137 hours
Pakistan caller: The ATS (Anti-Terrorist Squad) chief has been killed. Your work is very important. Allah is helping you. The Vazir (Minister) should not escape. Try to set the place on fire.
Mumbai terrorist: We have set fire in four rooms.
Pakistan caller: People shall run helter skelter when they see the flames. Keep throwing a grenade every 15 minutes or so. It will terrorise.
0310 hours
Mumbai terrorist: Greetings!
Pakistan caller: Greetings! There are three ministers and one secretary of the cabinet in your hotel. We don’t know in which room.
Mumbai terrorist: Oh! That is good news! It is the icing on the cake.
Pakistan caller: Find those three, four persons and then get whatever you want from India.
Mumbai terrorist: Pray that we find them.
Pakistan caller: Do one thing. Throw one or two grenades on the Navy and police teams, which are outside.
Mumbai terrorist: Sorry. I simply can’t make out where they are.
Oberoi Trident Hotel
0353 hours
Pakistan caller 1: Brother Abdul. The media is comparing your action to 9/11. One senior police official has been killed.
Mumbai terrorist 1: We are on the 10th/11th floor. We have five hostages.
Pakistan caller 2: Everything is being recorded by the media. Inflict the maximum damage. Keep fighting. Don’t be taken alive.
Pakistan caller 1: Kill all hostages, except the two Muslims. Keep your phone switched on so that we can hear the gunfire.
Mumbai terrorist 2: We have three foreigners, including women. From Singapore and China.
Pakistan caller 1: Kill them.
(Voices of gunmen can be heard directing hostages to stand in a line, and telling two Muslims to stand aside. Sound of gunfire. Sound of cheering voices.)
Nariman House
1945 hours
Mumbai terrorist: Greetings! What did the major-general say?
Pakistan caller: Greetings. The major-general directed us to do what we like. We should not worry. The operation has to be concluded tomorrow morning. Pray to God. Keep two magazines and three grenades aside, and expend the rest of your ammunition.
Pakistan caller: Keep in mind that the hostages are of use only as long as you do not come under fire because of their safety. If you are still threatened, then don’t saddle yourself with the burden of the hostages. Immediately kill them.
Mumbai terrorist: Yes, we shall do accordingly, God willing.
Pakistan caller: The army claims to have done the work without any hostage being harmed. Another thing: Israel has made a request through diplomatic channels to save the hostages. If the hostages are killed, it will spoil relations between India and Israel.
Mumbai terrorist: So be it, God willing.
Pakistan caller: Stay alert.
2226 hours
Pakistan caller: Brother, you have to fight. This is a matter of prestige of Islam. Fight so that your fight becomes a shining example. Be strong in the name of Allah. You may feel tired or sleepy but the Commandos of Islam have left everything behind. Their mothers, their fathers, their homes. Brother, you have to fight for the victory of Islam. Be strong.
Mumbai terrorist: Amen!
This is the attitude of allah loving rapist praying scum bag moslems.I believe the two indian moscum bags posting here will take the side of allah the pimp and rapist pedophile mohammad and the terrorist with out a hint of remorse.Scum bags all born to daughters aged 6 and sodi’s age 95.Thats the average msocum in india.
January 11th, 2009 at 6:29 am
The people posting this are so brain dead that they do not even know, what they are copy pasting! Idiots think it’s a great wisdom from holy shit qrand
“Say : O ye that reject Faith! I worship not that which ye worship, Nor will ye worship that which I worship. And I will not worship that which ye have been wont to worship, Nor will ye worship that which I worship. To you be your Way, and to me mine. (The Noble Quran, 109:1-6)”
Does this verse spesk of the tolerance of islam? Stupid idiots
“Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it set in a spring of murky water: Near it he found a People: We said: ‘O Zul-qarnain! (thou hast authority,) either to punish them, or to treat them with kindness.’ (The Noble Quran, 18:86)”LOL the sun sets in murky water.Stupid fellow does not even understand english and has copy pasted from the qrand.RLOL LMAO No wonder moscums all over are being kicked on their back side.I mean how can one be so so stupid,Idiotic, brain dead? I guess only moscums can be all at the same timeSimply call them moslems and that speaks volumes
January 11th, 2009 at 12:07 pm
im not sure wether i should laugh or cry youre retardation saddens me but youre unawarness of it is even more so funny
January 11th, 2009 at 12:10 pm
have you ever wonderd why islam came to the arabs and to to europe ? why are the prophets are from egypt /middle east ITS BECAUSE THEY NEEDED THEM THE MOST if you look at how retarted they are now how retarted do you think they would have been with their pagan gods i mean like seriously ……you guys make no sense at all
January 11th, 2009 at 12:11 pm
islam is what has actually made them this senseless with out it they would be even more so retarted
January 11th, 2009 at 12:13 pm
if they are retarted enough to blow up kids for 1 god think how many they would blow up if they had 100’s of gods have you ever done maths 100 is a bigger number then 1
January 11th, 2009 at 5:11 pm
Please do not assume that every one here has as much or less intelligence than mohammad or mohammadeans.Thats pretty low level
If sun sets in a murky water as you have copy pasted, even not knowing the meaning of that, I would guess its a complete waste of every one’s time enumerating clearly the stupidities of qrand.
Sun , even if allah says so, does not set in a murky pond.Murky pond water is in the rapist mohammad’s mind.
Even if lord says to sun, stop right there, sun will not stop! The lord in his own stupidity( wisdom) thought that the sun goes round the earth.Copy cat , rapist,pedophile mohammad regurgitated the same. Oh by the way, please if you are teaching your children, this qrap, don’t.They will fail all exams.Any way moscums never pass any exam is another matter.Incidentally 100 is indeed bigger than 1 and not ‘then 1″ I certainly can figure out ( reading your childish sentences on this message board) that you are not well conversant in english and also are incapable of comprehending the nuances of the same.Not that I hold it against you.Qrandic dikheads are and will be and were stupid,That’s a certainity
January 11th, 2009 at 5:17 pm
DUDE WTF IS A QURAND I CANT TALK ABOUT IT BECAUSE I DONT HAVE IT I HAVE TO COPY AND PASTE I DONT HAVE THE QURANDS ISBN NUMBER
January 11th, 2009 at 5:18 pm
WTF IS A MOSCUM AND WTF IS A DIKHEAD ARE YOU EVEN SPEAKING ENGLISH ?
January 11th, 2009 at 7:59 pm
to all of you who hate ISLAM so much:
why don’t you ask for your DEATH since you are so true, and enjoy your paradise….
January 11th, 2009 at 8:59 pm
you cant reason with these people they are brain washed into believing flawed logic they say Islam is bad but they are no better
January 12th, 2009 at 6:17 am
Ah ah we need to redifine logic. Don’t believe that sun sets in a murky pond, you are illogical,RSS goon, moslem hater! You believe that the sunsets in a murky pond and kill those who express a teeny weeny doubt about the same, you are a great intellectual pious moslem
You dont believe that Moon was split in two by an uneducated syphilitic moron, you are ? Communal RSS moslem hater! what a logic.Is it only that I am not seeing the logic or that there are many more like me?
You trust the syphilitic morons word that he spplit the moon in two and put them back again, you are a god fearing pious moslem.
You marry ? the widows ( whose husbands were just killed on the battle field) the night their husbands were murdered, you are a pious prophet.Marry? rather bang a 6 year old child, you are a great prophet. Very logical indeed.
I wonder why allah the pimp is not helping the palestanians, lebanese, Iraqis etc.The moslems are being tested, by allah the pimp.
The same type logic continues.The dead jew on stick says he walked on water. believe it, you are a great thinker.Express doubt, you are a scum bag heathen.
Earth is flat as a carpet,believe it.Good. you deserve even a nobel prize.Express doubt, the whole christian fundies will agitate.See the similarities? these guys are really logical.but we do not understand their logic.
Does the sun as per your knowledge set in a murky pond or not? If yes, can we have look at the muddy pond? If not why not?
Is the earth flat? Yes or no?
Leave alone the splitting of the moon walking on water etc, at the least prove that the earth is fixed and Sun goes round the earth? You can keep believing any bs and piles of it.But please dont ask others to believe the same.
You moslems and christians will not allow your self to get pinned down.
Please answer these questions and then we can meditate about the higher aspects of life.
January 12th, 2009 at 6:51 am
Licence to flush:
“Now which one do you think make sense ? Please chose one to believe before we continue further ok ?”
I do not have a belief system per se! Meaning, I do not believe in Allah, JC, Shiva or any other known deity. If I don’t believe in these deities then how would I believe in the ‘prophets’ they sent? See I have been trying to tell this to your prophet (Ali Sina) for such a long time. Just quite doesn’t get it.
Now you look like a calm person with a lot of brain cells. Who do you believe? Bugs Bunny? Your prophet once wrote an article telling that he believes in Bugs Bunny!
January 12th, 2009 at 7:05 am
Ekxotic,
Since you don’t believe in the bullshiit of Allah, God, Yahweh, and the 3 postmen Moses Jesus and Mohammad. You are smarter than billion billion of sick retards.
I suggest you to bash the Jews, Christians and Muslims together so that none of us will mistaken you as any of them.
January 12th, 2009 at 7:39 am
Licence to flush:
“I suggest you to bash the Jews, Christians and Muslims together so that none of us will mistaken you as any of them.”
What if you do mistake me for any of them? A crime here?
January 12th, 2009 at 7:42 am
By the way, I don’t need approvals from others about my smartness. I know I am smart. Something you probably assume about yourself!
January 12th, 2009 at 8:17 am
Just for the record:
I think the prophets of major religions such as Islam, Judaism, Christianity, were not lying at all. In fact, in their own minds they were most probably quite justified in doing what they did thinking they were doing the right thing. Just like Ali Sina feels justified in running this website. Does he realise he is actually trying to create an anti-Islamic army by trying to convince people to leave Islam and join his cause through hate, anger and the like? I suggest you all to watch a film called ‘The Chronicles of Riddick’, in which a race a trying to ‘cleanse’ every other race in the universe by forcing them to turn to their beliefs so they will be ‘purified’. I think Ali Sina is doing more or less the same thing. Having said that, I believe all of those who believe in him are actually angry, resentful and frustrated people for a lot many reasons — normal people just don’t have time for this kind messed up fellowship.
And with that I say goodbye to all of you. I may have caused some real irritation to some people and in doing so swayed this website off its course a little bit (for a while). I must say I owe a few apologies, especially to Ali Sina.
Adios
January 12th, 2009 at 8:49 am
c u in paradise, excotic. may ALLAH blesses all of us (4 those who believe of course)
January 12th, 2009 at 3:40 pm
Ekxotic.
Let me dissect friends and brithers here.
Hey , been away for a while, but am just in time to catch your exit, I read above that you are a rational person of no belief, well that is great, but still you faliled to get the conformity of these words FRIENDS AND BROTHERS, your argument is: the quran does not say “don’t take brothers from the people of the book” it says friends, so bacause of this, it does not follow the golden rule concept, are you kidding me? is that really supposed to be a meaningful reply, we all know what ‘don’t take friends from the people of the book means’ it means don’t take anybody that is not a muslim as a friend, so when I say a muslim is not his brother’s keeper, I am quite correct, he is only a keeper to fellow muslims.
Since to a muslim, only a muslim is a brother or friend as I have shown you the proof , it means they can not take any other person outside the Ummah, since they are not allowed to take friends, how can they take a brother? your denial of this is puerile, what you are actually trying to say is that the quran did not say ‘don’t take brothers, but take friends, is that logical to you? ‘don’t take friends among the people of the book’ simply means don’t take non-muslims as friends. Be your brother’s keeper simply means: help ANY PERSON that is in need, an AfricanAmerican calls his friend a brother, heck we all brothers in humanity, haven’t you heard that before?
If allah says ‘unbeliever here’, and in another place says ‘those who reject our revelation’ do you have to be word for word to equate who allah is refering to? what is so hard to comprehend here, why are you bending backwards and hanging on to a straw man that is vague and on the regressive plane? Also this website is also a blog and a forum, people are hating the Idoelogy of Islam here, if a muslim comes in here nicely, the debate will go at his pace, if he becomes abusive we will adapt, but we generally ridicule the ideology and call the mad prophet names that he himself gave himself through his actions, remember, quran actually started abusing, cursing and generally called us hellboud, and you except us to say nice things about us, it has condemn us before we were born, go and understand what it means to bent, REALLY GET A LIFE.
January 13th, 2009 at 2:16 pm
unfortunately i got to go to school something that probably half of the people here didnt finish seeing as they cant spell and with their flawed logic its hard for me to belive they even went to pre school
January 13th, 2009 at 6:34 pm
I’m going to join this debate. …
January 14th, 2009 at 11:59 am
Hi. Here is my response to this article:
“Karin is a German woman who was raped by Moral Police, beaten and kept in Saudi Arabia against her will and finally was deported after her toddler was taken away from her.”
Unfortunately rape and assaults happens everywhere, anywhere. Whether in a Muslim country or not, it happens all over the world. So this doesn’t make Saudi Arabia specifically bad, as you can see statistics of rape and assaults in the West and elsewhere, to conclude it happens all over the world.
“The problem with Saudi Arabia, as well as other Muslim countries, is not just the governments that are all corrupt and dictatorial, but also the people. People commit unthinkable atrocities to each other with clarity of conscience, but the foreigners take the cake.”
If the problem is with the governments, why is the US and the West an ally of Egypt/Saudi Arabia/Jordan/Kuwait/UAE/Algeria/Morocco and others in the Middle East including Pakistan and Turkey, amongst others? And even funding some of them? If they are corrupt and dictatorial, why is the US/West doing that? Why are they supporting them in the first place? There are many groups in opposition of the rulers, and want democratic elections in those countries, however since they are dictators and supported by the West, that hasn’t been made possible yet. There is nothing such as a “Muslim country”. In order for a country to be a “Muslim country”, it needs to ruled by Shariah, free from corruption and dictatorship. However if you mean by religion of the majority of the population, then that’s true.
It is not surprising people are committing “unthinkable atrocities”, since the rulers are corrupt, which makes the country as a whole corrupt.
“Muslims are not just technologically underdeveloped, but also morally and spiritually. Their ethos is wrong, their minds are crooked, and their ways are pervert. There is something wrong in the way Muslims perceive the world. They have values that are out of this world and inconceivable by civilized people.”
The reason the Muslim countries are technologically underdeveloped is due to the corrupt leaders and dictators. Most of the money is being spent on other things than education/research/health. Such as military/defence. Unlike the West, where democracy prevails, and there is the freedom of information act to see how money is being spent and where it is going, unfortunately that is not the case in countries ruled by dictators, who are not interested in the development of the nation, rather for their own selfish goals.
If Muslims mind is crooked and their ways pervert, then I would expect to not see any Muslim Scientists/Doctors and Specialists. You should ask a Muslim him/herself how they perceive the world,not just make up your own baseless and ignorant opinion. Most Muslims are no different than others in their views. It would be appreciated if you can list those “values”, which apparently are “out of this world”. If that was really the case, then I wouldn’t expect any non-Muslims to be living in a Muslim country.Go look at the statistics to see how much Westerners have went to live and settle in the Middle East and other “Muslim” countries. I wouldn’t expect that would happen if their values was really “inconceivable by civilized people”.
“The problem with Muslims is their religion. People are born innocent everywhere; it is the way they are educated and the values that they embrace that makes them different. Islamic teachings reduce humans into something else. In the name of Islam, Muslims commit atrocities that curl the blood. The stories narrated in this book are factual. They are real stories that happened to real people. And yet, they are more incredible than horror stories made for movies.”
People over the years have committed crimes “in the name of” said Religions. Christians/Jews/Hindus/Sikhs’ are also guilty of that. Does that make their Religion to blame? As long as Ignorance and misinterpretation of things exist, there will always be foolish actions being carried out by stupid people. In order to solve this, we need to educate the people.
“Islamic societies are ruled by insanity. There is no politically correct way to describe it. Islam is mental disease. The more a country follows Muhammad, the madder it gets. More draconian become its laws, more tyrannous become its rulers and more barbarous become its people. Saudi Arabia, being the heart of Islamic faith, is also the most evil country in the world followed by Iran, which is the heart of the Shiite version of Islam.”
This is entirely just opinions, which are baseless. Unfortunately there is not one single country in todays world that actually follows the pure Islamic teachings. In fact Islam is against tyrants, it is said one of the best forms of struggles is the word of justice to the oppressor/tyrant. So you have refuted your own self since you should know the more it follows the Prophet Muhammed [PBUH], the less tyrants there should be, NOT more. There is nothing that makes it “evil”. I can say the US is the most evil country in the world, however that would be my opinion, which I’m entitled too, just like you.
“The only hope for these wretched people is to help them get rid of Islam. It is Islam that is the cause of their barbarity, wickedness and intellectual torpor. People are the same everywhere. It is their beliefs that make them act differently. Islam cannot be reformed, but it can be demolished. Once it is demolished, civility will be restored and terrifying tales such as those reported by Dr. Alrabaa will become history.”
What exactly makes you so bothered and trying to “help” those “wretched” people. Are they affecting your life? Sure not. “Islam can not be reformed” … And why is that? Who says, you?? What makes them act differently from other people? Why don’t you start listing them, than mere pathetic opinions? I think by now, and all the attempts to get rid of Islam are clearly failing, when are you going to ever give up? Use of military force is clearly not leading to anything, as we see in todays conflicts. You may as well mind your business and let others live the way they want. No one is forced to become Muslim. So who are you to try to stop people believing in what they do? How about I do that to you? Would you appreciate it?
“We owe it to them; we owe it to their children and to mankind to rescue Muslims from the yoke of Islam and set them free. This is doable if people talk about it, break our silence and tell the truth about Islam. The world must know what is happening in the name of Islam in Muslim countries. Young girls are beguiled by Muslim men and their lives are destroyed. Only truth will set us free. Alrabaa has done his part in revealing this ugly truth. The rest is up to us. Within these stories lies the horrifying truth about Islam.”
Young girls are beguiled by Muslim men due to Islam? If so, show the proof. LOL @ “set them free”. Since when was that your job, and since when did Islam “imprison” them? “There is no compulsion in Religion” [Holy Qu'ran]. Quite daft of you to believe they are imprisoned, when they make the choice of the Religion alone.
“This book must be compulsory reading for anyone who wants to travel to Saudi Arabia for any reason. If you know of anyone thinking of going there, please give them this book. It could save their lives.”
How can it save lives?
Regards.
January 14th, 2009 at 4:56 pm
what kind of retard goes to another strange country without knowing anything about it ?if youre going on impulse to another country without knowing anything about it people like that need to learn a lesson. Beside even hostages taken by muslim extremist arent treated that bad what exactly dose this show THE GOVERNMENT IS CORRUPT IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ISLAM