A Guide to the Qur’anic Contradictions-1

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By Abul Kasem

Introduction

This guide is a compilation of contradictory verses in the Qur’an, the holiest book of Islam. Muslims consider the Qur’an as the infallible words of Allah, free of any ambiguities, contradictions, errors and irrationalities. This guide will demonstrate that far from being perfect, free of ambiguities and errors, the Qur’an is replete with hundreds of contradictory statements that will surprise the critical readers of the Qur’an. It is unbelievable that an omnipotent, omniscient, all‑knowing, and all‑powerful Allah will have such a demented intellect to construct so many contradictory passages.

For easy understanding, the Qur’anic verses are provided in summarized, plain English. For the complete translation please refer to the translations of Yusuf Ali, Picthal, and Shakir:
(http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/reference/reference.html) or the translation of Hilali and Khan (http://www.mlivo.com/translations/Hilali%20Khan.htm).

Many contradictory verses are repeated; it is because of the repetitive nature of the Qur’an. One amazing aspect of the Qur’an is that there may be several contradictions in a single verse.

Please note that this guide does not address Qur’an’s errors, absurdities, and irrationalities on various subjects such as science, mathematics, astronomy, history, embryology, geology, and cosmology. This is a vast topic and a separate guide is necessary to understand Allah’s expertise on these issues.

This guide may not be complete. There might be many other contradictory verses which the author might have missed. The author will appreciate if any reader finds other contradictory verses not included in this guide, and brings them to my attention. I shall include them in the list to make this guide as comprehensive as possible.

Sura 2: al-Baqara (The Cow)

2:21
Allah created the mankind; they should worship Him.
Contradiction: 3:97, 35:15 say Allah does not need mankind and the jinns; He is free of all want.

2:29
Allah created the earth (first) then He perfected the seven firmaments (heavens); He has the perfect knowledge of all things. (This verse indicates that Allah started creation by creating earth, and then He made heaven into seven heavens. This is how building usually starts, with the lower floors first and then the top floors-ibn Kathir).
Contradiction: 79:27‑30 says Allah created the heavens first.

2:34
All the angels bowed to Adam, except Iblis. He was haughty and a disbeliever.
Contradiction: 16:49 says every creature in the heavens and in earth prostrates to Allah.

2:35
Allah forbade Adam and his wife to approach the tree of knowledge. (Allah spoke directly to Adam-ibn Kathir.)
Contradiction: 42:51 says Allah never speaks directly to a human; He speaks either from behind a veil or through a messenger.

2:37
Adam learned the words of inspiration from Allah. Adam was the first Muslim.
Contradiction: 2:131 says Abraham was the first Muslim.
Contradiction: 6:14 says Muhammad was the first Muslim.
Contradiction: 7:143 says Moses was the first Muslim.
Contradiction: 26:51 says some Egyptians were the first Muslims.

2:38
Allah ordered Adam and his wife to descend on earth, and to preach on people whatever message they received from Allah.
Contradiction: In verse 20:123, before sending Adam on earth, Allah told him humans on earth would be enemies of one another. This means there were already people on earth when Adam descended on it. So Adam was not the first human created by Allah.

2:47
Allah blesses the Children of Israel more than other believers; He has preferred them above all beings.
Contradiction: 3:33‑34 says Allah preferred Adam, Noah, the house of Abraham, and the house of Imran above all beings.

2:50
Allah parted the sea (Red sea); saved the Children of Israel (i.e., Moses’ people), and drowned Pharaoh in front of the eyes of the Children of Israel.
Contradiction: 10:90 says Pharaoh submitted to Islam.
Contradiction: 10:92 says Allah saved Pharaoh.

2:51
When Moses went to keep his appointment with Allah for forty days, his people reverted to worshipping a cow during his absence.
Contradiction: 7:142 says Moses’ appointment with Allah was for forty nights.

2:52
Despite their sins of idolatry, Allah forgave the people of Moses.
Contradiction: 2:63 says Allah raised the Mount Sinai above the Children of Israel and threatened them to submit to Him.
Contradiction: 7:152 says Allah punished them.

2:58
Then Allah asked the people of Moses to humbly enter a city (Jerusalem or Jericho-ibn Kathir) through its gate so that they could find all the provisions they needed for their sustenance.
Contradiction: Allah says in 7:137 He let Moses’ people inherit the land east and west, that is, the land of greater Syria.

2:62
Muslims/Jews/Christians/Sabians-anyone who believes in Allah and the last Day and does a righteous deed will get rewards.
Contradiction: 9:17 says unbelievers will go to hell.
Contradiction: In 3:85 Allah says He only accepts Islam.
Contradiction: 4:150‑151 says Allah will severely punish those who deny Allah and Muhammad and those who separate Allah from His messengers.
Contradiction: in 5:33 Allah commands Muslims to Crucify or behead those who criticize Islam and Muhammad or do not convert to Islam.

2:79
Those Jews wrote their Book with their own hands, and faked that as the Book from Allah, Allah curses them.
Contradiction: 6:34, 6:115 say none has the power to change the words of Allah.

2:106
Whatever verses Allah abrogates or causes Muhammad to forget, He replaces them with similar or better verses (Muhammad did forget some Qur’anic verses-Walker, p. 166).
Contradiction: 6:34, 6:115 say none can change the words in the Qur’an.

2:107
The dominion of the heavens and the earth belongs to Allah; there is no protector besides Him.
Contradiction: In 13:11, 41:31, 50:17‑18, and 82:10 Allah says angels are our protectors and guards.
Contradiction: 5:55 says Allah’s messengers are our protectors.

2:116
The Christians belief that Allah had begotten a son is untrue; Allah possesses everything in heavens and on earth, everything worships Him.
Contradiction: 3:180, 15:23, 19:40, 19:79‑80, 21:89, 28:58 say Allah inherits from infidels/other creatures.

2:117
Allah creates instantly, by decree; He says ‘be’ and it is.
Contradiction: 7:54, 10:3, 11:7 and 25:59 say six days of creation.
Contradiction: 41:9-12 say eight days of creation.
Contradiction: 6:101 says Allah could not create a son for himself because He does not have a consort (a wife or a concubine).

2:131
Allah asked, and Abraham cheerfully submitted himself to Allah (Abraham was the first Muslim-ibn Kathir.)
Contradiction: 2:37 says Adam was the first Muslim.
Contradiction: 6:14 says Muhammad was the first Muslim.
Contradiction: 7:143 says Moses was the first Muslim.
Contradiction: 26:51 says some Egyptians were the first Muslims.

2:139
The Islamic, the Jewish and the Christian Allah is the same Allah, do not argue on this. Allah will reward each group according to their deeds.
Contradiction: 9:30 says Jews and Christians are idolaters.
Contradiction: 3:118, 58:14 and 60:13 say not to be friendly with unbelievers, including Jews and the Christians.

2:148
Every nation has a qibla; Allah has given each group of people a law and a way of life.
Contradiction: 25:51 says if willed, Allah could have sent messengers to every nation to instill fear; but He didn’t.

2:167
Those who plead for another chance, Allah will disown them and send them to hell to dwell there forever.
Contradiction: 6:128 says as long as Allah wishes, not forever.

2:185
As a guide to mankind, Allah sent the Qur’an in the month of Ramadan (the ENTIRE Qur’an).
Contradiction: 17:106, 25:32 say Allah sent the Qur’an in stages.

2:219
Wines and gambling are Satan’s handiwork-there are some good but great sins.
Contradiction: 47:15 and 83:25 say Allah will serve Satan’s handiwork, wine, in Islamic Paradise.

2:221
Do not marry idolatresses until they believe. A believing slave woman is better than a non-believing free woman; do not get your girls married to unbelievers until they (the unbelievers) convert to Islam.
Contradiction: 9:30 says the Jews and the Christians are idolaters, but Allah allows Muslim men to marry their women without converting to Islam. According to ibn Abbas, ‘I do not know of a bigger Shirk than her saying that Jesus is her Lord!’ This means that the Christian women are idolaters.

2:253
Some apostles (messengers) are above others; to some of them Allah spoke (i.e., Allah has graded His messengers, He had spoken directly to a few of them); to Jesus, Allah gave clear signs and the Holy Spirit.
Contradiction: Allah says in 4:152 He makes no distinctions among prophets.

2:254
Unbelievers (non‑Muslims) are the real wrong‑doers; they will have no intercession on the last day.
Contradiction: 2:255 says Allah might appoint intercessor for anyone He wishes, including some unbelievers.

2:255
Allah sustains and protects all that exists. His throne extends over the heavens; no one can intercede without His permission.
Contradiction: see 2:254.

2:259
Allah caused a man to sleep for a century, then raised him up, and questioned the man how long he thought had been in sleep (in this verse Allah is directly speaking with an ordinary person).
Contradiction: 42:51 says Allah speaks only through a veil or through a messenger.

End of Part 1

To be continued in part 2.

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Abul Kasem writes from Sydney, Australia. Send your comments to nirribilli@gmail.com

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Editor-Posted at request of Abul Kasem and Baig Says:
February 9th, 2009 at 12:27 am
Hello, Abul Kasem,

Now that you made a personal email exchange public, by posting through the Editor at FFI, I have to send the entire exchange for the readers to go through, courtesy of FFI Editors.

I wrote you and Syed Kamran Mirza an email and received your childish and churlish response, which is appended below for all to read.

In your response, through the FFI Editor, you wrote, “How funny! You wrote the Qur’an can be understood only by mastering Arabic. No other language can translate it. Now you are eating your own words.”

Bold emphasis, everywhere is mine and all, including you can see that you wrote a lie. I never wrote that. I am flabbergasted to see to read something which I never wrote.Can you eat your own lies now? lol!

I am no fan of Zakir Naik and to me he is just a polemicist like you and others but at least he does not tell a lie, like you do.

Just look at your unworthy remark, “If you think I do not understand the Qur’an because I read it in translated form, why should you be perturbed reading what I write?”

I am not perturbed at all. If you do not understand Arabic then you simply have no right to say that Qur’aan has contradictions. I could point out the silly contradiction in your own name Abul Kasem, which means father of Kasem, which is ridiculous, as Kasem was not born before you, beacuse I know Arabic. If you can’t even choose a name or a nickname right, what can one expect from you?

The Forum http://www.faithfreedom.org.uk is on. Come and talk to me there. You will find some members from FFI, who have registered there and also some fine people from all over the world.

As far as I can see, no one has thrashed Myxtic but he has thrashed it so well that three of FFI members have in fact have spoken clearly about your blunders. Go read and figure.

My point is simple. When you do not know Arabic and do not understand Qur’aan, then do not try to misinform, misreport and mislead gullible folks over the internet. It is good that folks in real life do NOT even know you and your peers. I am sending this to the Editor of FFI for this to be posted. I am sure the Editor will oblige as you were.

If you like to have an open debate with me in Sydney, I can arrange it through Sydney Morning Herald and I will bear all the expenses. I will even pay for your taxi fares, lunch and dinner in Sydney and rental of hall, accessories, etc. And invite Australians of repute to attend. What say ye?

Salaams
Baig M Z

—————————————————————-

Hello, Abul Kasim & Kamran
Sorry for the intrusion.

I visited Abul Kasim’s site and read all the hilarious material, both of you have written. Enjoyed that. lol!

To: Kamran
Your name rings a bell. I think we did come across on Islam Online, if I remember correctly.
To: Abul Kasim
Don’t you see the contradiction in your own name? Is Kasim your son? Abul Kasim in Arabic would mean Son of Kasim. Right?
Anyway, I would like a straight answer. Please tell me if either of you really understands Qur’aan in Arabic or not?

Or do both of you follow the goon Ali Sina, who does not know Arabic at all but writes about Qur’aan using English translation. ny Muslim or Ex-Muslim Tom, Dick and Harry can read Qur’aan but cannot understand the Arabic.

How good are both of you in the Arabic of Qur’aan.
I really like to know. For your info my nick was BMZ on FFI site and I found most of FFI articles are written by goons, who know nothing.
The nick is permanently banned and I have created a forum at the request of my Muslim and non-Muslim friends and have invited top FFI members to come and write freely, without the fear of any deletion or ban.
The forum is meant for serious exchanges in a very cordial atmosphere.
http://www.faithfreedom.org.uk
Salaams
Baig M Z
On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 3:46 AM, Abul Kasem wrote:
‘Please tell me if either of you really understands Qur’aan in Arabic or not?’

No, I do not. So what are you going to do with me? Do you know classical Arabic?

Do you know Hebrew, Greek, and Aramaic? In what language do you read the Bible?
Do you know Sanskrit? In what language do you read the Vedas and Geeta?
Do you know Fasi? In what language do you read Ferdousi’s Shahanama?
Do you know Russian? In what languiage do you read Anna Karenina?
Do you know German? In what alanguage do you read Faustas?
Do you know Bengali? In what language do you read Geetanjali?

You are as dim-witted as the Qur’an and ahadith are.

Have peace.

M. Z. BAIG
to Abul
show details Feb 14 (2 days ago) Reply

Thank you very much for being honest in saying that you do not understand Qur’aan in Arabic,
That is what I thought when I read your childish articles on FFI and your site.
Yes, I know classical Arabic, that is why I could tell you that your name also has contradiction.
I am translating Qur’aan in modern English for the Western readers, who have been misinformed by men like Ali Sina, Ibn Warraq, you and others, who unfortunately
know no Arabic but keep on writing silly contradictions, when there is none. I hope it will be out in 2-3 years.
You can remain a closet apostate like the goon and idiot Ali Sina. I don’t mind that. But at least you should be honest to yourself that you critique something which you even do not understand. That is wrong.
Read this link at FFI and argue with Myxtic if you think you can.
http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=903
If you want to discuss verse by verse, you are always welcome at http://www.faithfreedom.org.uk
All I want is if you could stop misreporting and misinforming people over the internet.
This is behaving like the Christian polemic evangelicals and Bible thumpers whose Bible is full of inconsistencies and absurdities and yet they dare talk about Qur’aan.
Would you like to address and critique those blunders? I am sure you won’t. lol
Have a nice weekend.
Baig

160 Responses to “A Guide to the Qur’anic Contradictions-1”

1. proudkafir Says:
January 6th, 2009 at 9:37 am
From what I have understood after reading qrandic verses, is this.
1.qrandic verses are a copy, cut & paste from the bible.
2.Bible too has many violent and vicious verses exactly like qrandic verses and qrand has copied bible badly.
3.Allah is a confused idiot who forgets what he has farted a few seconds ago!
4.Allah speaks through mohammad.
5.Mohammad was a pedophile who also was syphilitic schizophrenic cretin who suffered temporal lobe epilepsy due to syphilis, a disease not uncommon in moddle east.
6.Bible and qrand mouth the same absurdities and inaanities.
7.Followers fo christ are far smarter than followers fo the butcher pedophile mohammad as they stopped believing the grabge of bible some time ago!
8.Qrand serves as a good toilet tissue.It acquires spirituality and some intelligenc e after usage as toilet tissue
2. Platypus Says:
January 6th, 2009 at 10:43 am
Q-Why the many repetitions in the Qu’ran?

A-Because Arabs were dum & stupid in 600 CE.

And they still are…
3. proudkafir Says:
January 6th, 2009 at 12:01 pm
How I hate ( actually spell mistake ” ate” should be ) Indian curries. I enjoy the smell of Hmm yorkshire pudding,mushy peas, roasted turkey, Boiled potatoes,mashed potatoes,artichokes, boiled brussel sprouts, Baked beans in tomato sauce,mouth watering smell of fish, ahh the smell of christian food! After eating this do I blame any one for lacking brains? nahhh
Only thing is afore said food habit propels you towards the biblical god. Smell your coffee and Indian curries and may be you start noticing the biblical inanities and absurdities and stupidities etc etc.
4. Please help me ! Says:
January 6th, 2009 at 12:32 pm
Hello all,a friend of mine showed me your wbesite.I am 29 years old,male,and from India.I dont believe in islamic allah anymore,but how to leave it ? Please help me.
5. Northern Bear Says:
January 6th, 2009 at 1:17 pm
“4.Allah speaks through mohammad.”

No, allah IS mohammed. Therefore NOT a deity.
6. Charlie Chan Says:
January 6th, 2009 at 1:31 pm
A very enlightening article about Islam: Statistics And The Meaning Of Islam

http://www.newenglishreview.org/custpage.cfm/frm/28244/sec_id/28244
7. BustedDivinity. Says:
January 6th, 2009 at 1:59 pm
No deity ever spoke to any man, likewise no gods ever visited the earth, why I know this is simply because nobody has yet produced a substantial, observable, and universal evidence for any god, the contradictions in both the koran and the bible are there because of the imperfection of man(in the case of Islam) and the imperfection of men(in the case of Christians) they are only muslims/christians because they were told it is the true thing in their formative years, this leads to their somnambulised state as grown ups.

BD(who is sure a sleepwalking fellow is not in touch with actual reality)
8. nishant Says:
January 6th, 2009 at 2:58 pm
there is something very fishy about this website
9. Helper Says:
January 6th, 2009 at 3:11 pm
@Please help me!

You have come to the right place. Take your time to browse the articles, library and forum. Read Ali Sina’s challenge, linked at the top. If you have ever feel like you’re going to Hell, read an article. That will end the feeling.
10. 1 god or many gods ?? Says:
January 6th, 2009 at 3:20 pm
pigs jews/christians/muslims pride themself as follower of 1 imaginary
deity who did not create universe nor evoled mankind.

what is wrong in beliving in 100 gods or 1000 billion gods ?

muslims dont worship truth=nature.

they worship imaginary deity.

if they worshipped many gods then if they lost faith in
1 god they cud fall back on some other,but bcoz they believe only in 1 imaginary deityy the loose faith and become atheist.

which in a way is better.

belief in truth is better than belief in imaginary allah.

lol…lol…lol…
11. ibrahim Says:
January 6th, 2009 at 3:22 pm
RE: Please Help me
Dear friend first and foremost congratulations for leaving Islam. Can you be more specific as to what sort of help you need?
12. ibrahim Says:
January 6th, 2009 at 3:27 pm
RE: Please Help me
As for leaving Islam, you dont need to make more efforts, there is no Kalima, no more prayers, no more meaningless rituals. If you dont believe in false deity of Islam and the obligations of Islam anymore, you have lready left Islam, so there is pretty much nothing left to do than spreading the truth around and helping others like you to come of Islam. If you need any other help feel free to contact me on my Email ID : ibrahim6661@gmail.com
13. proudkafir Says:
January 6th, 2009 at 4:22 pm
daer Please help me
If you have really left Islam then congradulations. You are a freee human being at last.Spreadthis message quietly amongst the like minded people.There is no need to convert in to any religion.Remember we are all children of the same super god and that god is neither jseus nor allah or Rama etc.
How to lead a normal life inspite of disbelief? Its very simple.Seek the absolute truth and truth alone in every thing you do. Treat every human being as if there is a part of god in him.You will automatically become a good human being.Welcome to humanity.But remember you have thrown away the cloak of islamic ignorance and you free to espouse any thing!
14. did fake christian deity create coffee ? Says:
January 6th, 2009 at 4:43 pm
i wonder : did fake chrisdtian deity create coffee ?? no.bcoz no god created world,only nature evoled everything.nature=truth=god.
15. freedomfighter67 Says:
January 6th, 2009 at 5:43 pm
Proudkafr,

If Atheism can make people become a better human being, then name me one charity endorsed by atheists in the name of atheism to help the needy. I’ll bet you’ll use non-reliigous affiliated organization and name it atheist.
16. Nusrat Ali Says:
January 6th, 2009 at 6:11 pm
Hello ‘Pl.Help Me’
Congratulations for leaving Islam. You can remain as such for some time and read many varying posts in FFI,Islammonitor.org,and islam-watch.org etc before you decide finaly. Or you can come back to your old home of ’sanatan dharm, with the help of AryaSamaj. But this all has to be done studying your situations and assuring your safety first.
17. proudchristian Says:
January 6th, 2009 at 6:48 pm
Muslims will find whatever way to escape from this blatant lies. Islam is wrong from the onset-Muhamad lied that he was sent by God. Islam is a total lie and the fruits of lie is what? Further lies. Let me explain. I usually watch zakir naik peace tv, especially his question and answer session. One unsuspecting guy asks a question “Why is islam God famously known as allah?” A thin long man by the name of zakir naik stand up and answer him ” You know allah is a revered God’s name, first mentioned in the bible and then revealed in the quran. In the bible you find Jesus mentioning this name when he utters Elohi, Elohi….shortly before he die. At this point I was about to break my ribs of laughing. Is this the same man who deny Jesus never went to the cross and never died? Finally he finishes by speaking some supersititious arabic words, signalling the end of his session.

Just as ali sina calles zakir as the world greatest showman he truly is. The words “Elohi, elohi” spoke them in such a rapid manner that they sounded as allah, allah. Secondly, does zakir believe Jesus spoke these words on the cross so he believes jesus died!

In fact my point is Islam is a total lie, muhammad knew it, the mullah know it, all muslim apolegetics know it, they just lied and continue to lie to their unsuspecting followers for personal gains, fame, money, power, women and the sort. BTW, the ultimate reason for this satan’s lie is to keep people away from understanding the gospel message.
18. freedomfighter67 Says:
January 6th, 2009 at 8:44 pm
Why is it that some atheists here will try to divert criticism of Islam towards the Bible? The answer is below:

In my own opinion, anyway, Atheism is the same as Islam. No difference. They are both paganistic and satanic.

Consider these:
1. How does an atheist view homosexuality? Just like the Muslims atheists will say they don’t like homosexuals but it is a fact that majority of homosexuals are atheists. Muslims also hate the homosexuals but homosexuality in the Muslim world are rampant. In fact it is more acceptable for them than sexual relationship between a single male and female.

2. Atheists will say they don’t worship anything but the truth is they worship anything they consider priority for their lives, whether it is their career, their supposedly wisdom, drugs, sex, or when it comes to homosexuals, their own sexual desires wanting to have sex with their own kind.

3. Most Atheists will defend Islam to the core. Just take a look at George Galloway, the most outward atheist socialist defender of Islam. George Galloway will defend Islam and all Islamic, and would ignorantly say as such that Islam is peaceful and Hezbollah is not a terrorist organization. Europe as of today lost its backbone because of the secular atheists who admitted millions of Muslims to their countries to make themselves look good to others. Fools always try to make themselves look good but instead end up looking like idiots. I say Idiots because these fools failed to recognize evil. It’s like these foolish people feeling sorry for Satan, the absolute evil, for being forsaken away from God’s kingdom and show their hatred against God because God is not as understanding as them.

4. Last but not the least, Atheists always hate Israel for some reason. Jimmy Carter, another foolish Atheist, like Galloway, defended the satanic Hezbollah and the satanic Palestinians, all Muslims. EU is now trying the best it can to stop the killings of satanic people like the Palestinians and ignore the years of rocket launching towards Israel by Hamas. Muslims and atheists all over the world are congregating to save the spawn of satan we call Palestinians from their destruction while the rest of the enlightened people including most of the FFI contributors here know why Palestinians suffer the way they are suffering the entire time Israel left Gaza. It is because of Islam. These people are cursed since the beginning and they will face the wrath of God no matter how many Atheists and Muslims will try to save them.
19. Marie Says:
January 6th, 2009 at 10:20 pm
freedomfighter67

“Why is it that some atheists here will try to divert criticism of Islam towards the Bible?”

I don’t know why some atheists attack Christianity and leave Islam alone. After all they think religion nothing but an absurd superstition created by men. So therefore according to their belief, they should be attacking both Christianity and Islam, along with other religions. Why are they selectively focusing only on Christianity, while ignoring Islam? Maybe they think it is ok to attack Christianity since Christians will not react to their attacks, unlike Muslims who will riot when you criticize their prophet.

“3. Most Atheists will defend Islam to the core. Just take a look at George Galloway, the most outward atheist socialist defender of Islam. George Galloway will defend Islam and all Islamic, and would ignorantly say as such that Islam is peaceful and Hezbollah is not a terrorist organization. Europe as of today lost its backbone because of the secular atheists who admitted millions of Muslims to their countries to make themselves look good to others. Fools always try to make themselves look good but instead end up looking like idiots. I say Idiots because these fools failed to recognize evil. It’s like these foolish people feeling sorry for Satan, the absolute evil, for being forsaken away from God’s kingdom and show their hatred against God because God is not as understanding as them.”

That will be Europe’s downfall.
20. Marie Says:
January 6th, 2009 at 10:27 pm
Excellent article.
21. continuum Says:
January 7th, 2009 at 12:28 am
Bible too is full of contradictions and fallacies.

Unlike Christians, Islamists think Quran is word for word from Allah. Showing them the obvious contradictions may work effectively to Muslims.

However, Bible (at the least old testament) and Quran are NOT so different in terms of violence and both old testament and new testament are full of bigotry just like Quran, leaving the violent part aside.
22. continuum Says:
January 7th, 2009 at 12:47 am
“I don’t know why some atheists attack Christianity and leave Islam alone.”

1. Simple… Christians regularly discriminate against atheists…

youtube.com/watch?v=J-tkQ75_Fc0

2. Christians in addition impose their will in public education systems, like teaching of evolution theory.

3. Christians bother non-believers with their taunt and keep shoving their religion on those who do not want to hear bible crap.
23. proudchristian Says:
January 7th, 2009 at 5:34 am
“Simple… Christians regularly discriminate against atheists”

Just like muslims, atheists feels discriminated anywhere, anytime. I live in a country which is 45% muslims, 45% christians + other minorities. Our current president and vice prsident are muslims, but you know what? Not a week passes without muslim rantings in our local media of being disciminated by christians and the government. They want the govenment to impose the islamic court laws, wearing of hijab, Friday to be the public holyday just as Sunday is, rubbish! Similarly atheists everywhere feel same way: the governments to revere homosexuality, proclaim in the constitution there is no God, if possible banning of all christian holydays. You know, everything to do with the dark force.
24. proudchristian Says:
January 7th, 2009 at 5:49 am
…Christians in addition impose their will in public education systems….

Now you want to play a victim while indeed you are the real opressors. The US constitution is primarily influenced by atheistic ideals. Yet you want to teach your children this atheistic non-sense, A human evolved from an APE, as an absolute truth!
25. proudchristian Says:
January 7th, 2009 at 6:06 am
……Christians bother non-believers with their taunt and keep shoving their religion on those who do not want to hear bible crap….

Who is a non-believer? If you do not believe in christ you believe in something else, be allah, hindu gods, money, evolution, science, etc. In each case christians gives their views as you are skeptic of christian beliefs. A belief in allah is challenged primarily by the character of his prophet and the nature of the quran, hindu gods- these are ludicrous, money-nonsense, evolution-absurd, science-subject to scrutiny. The bottom line is exchange of opinions and not shoving something on you.
26. continuum Says:
January 7th, 2009 at 6:26 am
“Just like muslims, atheists feels discriminated anywhere, anytime. I live in a country which is 45% muslims, 45% christians + other minorities.” Muslims rant I agree, but atheists DO NOT make noise without reason. What about Christians making noise everywhere that they are persecuted making mountain out of a mole hill ? Well, that is alright…by the way did u watch the video ?

youtube.com/watch?v=J-tkQ75_Fc0

“Now you want to play a victim while indeed you are the real opressors. The US constitution is primarily influenced by atheistic ideals. Yet you want to teach your children this atheistic non-sense, A human evolved from an APE, as an absolute truth!”

Ahhhh….. Readers, please see the Christian bigotry here…. They want to remove teaching of evolution theory in schools, instead want to substitute that with bible crap…. Public schools teach Science NOT religious fairy tales… If you want fairy tales to be taught to your kids, do that in your Sunday schools. Christians have NO right to force public schools to teach biblical nonsense as Science…

“Who is a non-believer? If you do not believe in christ you believe in something else, be allah, hindu gods, money, evolution, science, etc…..”

Science IS NO BELIEF. It is based on objective data and/or experimentation and rigorous methods to prove the hypothesis.

“A belief in allah is challenged primarily by the character of his prophet and the nature of the quran, hindu gods- these are ludicrous, money-nonsense, evolution-absurd, science-subject to scrutiny. ”

There is NOTHING more ludicrous than the belief that god comes down as holy ghost and impregnates a jewish/Palestinian woman. There is nothing more evil than a religion which teaches god ordered them to kill suckling infants (1 Samuel 15:3).

One cannot teach nonsense claims that god created Earth and heavens in 6 days as Science. As I said before, objective data interprete Scientifically is what should taught in public schools, NOT some bogus bible fantasies as Science.
27. Kam Baksh Says:
January 7th, 2009 at 6:33 am
As a sequel to this article, Koran is completely absurd. Arguably, Bible contains many contradictions of Koran as mentioned by so many readers here.
However, there is a big difference. Bible has one chapter called Sermon on the Mount (or hill), which is very profound and indicative that someone who wrote that must have known. The same cannot be said about Koran. Also, the character of Jesus and Mohammand is simply not comparable by any stroke of imagination. That largely differentiates Chiristianity from Islam. Even though deeds of Christians in the past have been heinous, they are not the same as that of Islamists in the present. I think deeds of Christians are not anachronous to the present times like the Islamists. You only have to see Talibans, savage and brutal, to reach this conclusions. The comparison between Islam and Christianity is largely uncalled for in the present context.
28. continuum Says:
January 7th, 2009 at 6:55 am
“I think deeds of Christians are not anachronous to the present times like the Islamists. You only have to see Talibans, savage and brutal, to reach this conclusions”

I agree to this statement in terms of scale and quantity, NOT in terms of brutality of actions. You need to see only a few examples.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/3762630.stm

At Dabbari village, they killed a shopkeeper and his two-year-old son while a farmer and his 10-year-old son were killed in nearby Padmakumar village.

The NLFT wants to throw Bengali settlers out of Tripura and has also called for a ban on celebration of Durga Puja among indigenous tribes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism

The National Liberation Front of Tripura (NLFT) is a rebel group operating in Tripura, North-East India. The NLFT were declared a terrorist organization under the Indian Prevention of Terrorism Act in 2002. The NLFT manifesto says that they want to expand what they describe as the kingdom of God and Christ in Tripura.

Nagaland Rebels

The Nagaland Rebels is a coalition of rebel groups operating in Nagaland, North-East India. The largest of these is the National Socialist Council of Nagaland-Isak-Muivah (NSCN-IM), which is fighting for the establishment of a “Nagaland for Christ”. The NSCN-IM have carried out numerous acts of terrorism against the Indian Army, other ethnic groups, and opponents within their own ethnic group. The insurgency has been waged since the 1947 Indian declaration of independence, and has resulted in tens of thousands of deaths.
29. proudkafir Says:
January 7th, 2009 at 6:55 am
If you are not a christian and you criticise bible, you must be a moslem and if you cirticise B & Q you must be an atheist! Typical braindead logic of christian?
Charity Ahh the missionary tactic.Bread and book. Hand over the bread and the book to a hungry person.read the book first and then bible! Dont be so proud christian.Demsond tutu said this they ( meaning white s) came in with book and we had the land.By the time we realised , what was happening, we had the book and they had the land! Thats in short christianity and missionary plan for all.
I am not a moslem.But I believe both B & Q contain equally vile. bilious, violent, racist,misogynistic,absurd, stupid,contradictory,anti human teachings and can not be from god.
30. continuum Says:
January 7th, 2009 at 6:55 am
“I think deeds of Christians are not anachronous to the present times like the Islamists. You only have to see Talibans, savage and brutal, to reach this conclusions”

I agree to this statement in terms of scale and quantity, NOT in terms of brutality of actions. You need to see only a few examples.

news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/3762630.stm

At Dabbari village, they killed a shopkeeper and his two-year-old son while a farmer and his 10-year-old son were killed in nearby Padmakumar village.

The NLFT wants to throw Bengali settlers out of Tripura and has also called for a ban on celebration of Durga Puja among indigenous tribes.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism

The National Liberation Front of Tripura (NLFT) is a rebel group operating in Tripura, North-East India. The NLFT were declared a terrorist organization under the Indian Prevention of Terrorism Act in 2002. The NLFT manifesto says that they want to expand what they describe as the kingdom of God and Christ in Tripura.

Nagaland Rebels

The Nagaland Rebels is a coalition of rebel groups operating in Nagaland, North-East India. The largest of these is the National Socialist Council of Nagaland-Isak-Muivah (NSCN-IM), which is fighting for the establishment of a “Nagaland for Christ”. The NSCN-IM have carried out numerous acts of terrorism against the Indian Army, other ethnic groups, and opponents within their own ethnic group. The insurgency has been waged since the 1947 Indian declaration of independence, and has resulted in tens of thousands of deaths.
31. BustedDivinity. Says:
January 7th, 2009 at 10:17 am
I don’t know how the christians here arrived at a very wishful conclusion that anybody that is telling the truth about biblical puerile creativity is a muslim, now I have seen a straw man argument before, but none so silly as this one, from one corner of their mouth they say we are muslims pretending to not be, on the other, they claim we are atheists, well make up your damn mind about one thing ok, oh I remember, they talk like the bible, in contradictory tones, well I hate to use vulgar words but let me try, how the heck do you think a muslim will be able to say this: fuck allah, fuck mohammad and the heavenly angels and anybody divine can suck my……, how is that for a pretend muslim.

The problem with these contrdictory tone people is they don’t give a rat’s ass about total honesty, someone is telling you that he doesnt believe in flying horses with a pedophile prophet on the ride, the sadistic allah and the bible god who promised to torture humans for eternity, or that the earth was created in 4004 BC, that the the earth is flat and talking snakes actually did talk together with virgin births and jesus calling a BAT a BIRD and the rest of the madness AND YOU have the baseless courage to call that person a pretender, well you are the real pretend here, instead of bringing at least a shred of evidence you go on blindly on ad hominems as usual, PUT UP OR SHUT UP
32. Mustafa Says:
January 7th, 2009 at 11:02 am
Continum, even though I am not from India, I am familiar with the conditions in parts of India where the Christian terrorist groups are killing the native Hindus. However what I would like to say here is that they are not inspired by the Bible or by the life of Jesus. There are problems even in countries like Korea and Sri Lanka because of the missionaries. However these people are simply not following the instructions of Jesus when they carry out their abominal acts against the follower of the native faiths. Even those Christian terrorists who kill the Hindoos in India dont say that they are killing in the name of Jesus. I accpet that there are lots of crazy people in every religion, Christians are no exception, just like Muslims they too will not settle down for anything less than converting the whole world to their faith. But yo uhave to realise that their stupidities come from the stupid sermons of their priests, fathers, or whatever their religious leaders are called. They don tread the message of the Bible, nor do they follow the path of Jesus, who said that if an enemy strikes your cheek then show him the other cheek. There are some Christian denominations, like the Southern Baptists, who are no less Fanatical than the Muslims. However this come from their altering the true message of Jesus. There are many Christians who dont believe in killing and causing terrorism, which is unlike the Muslims. Therefore to say that Christianity is a millitant religion would be wrong.
33. proudkafir Says:
January 7th, 2009 at 11:15 am
Dear BD
I call that foot in the mouth ( your foot in fundies mouth) response.Good job.Keep it going mate.
I must confess though that at least the christians generally tend to be more civilised and slightly more tolerant than moslem cousins.I have seen moslems from 4 different continents and in many countries ( moslem and non moslem) What I notice uniformly is this.Moslems tend to be Stupid, Ignorant,Arrogant,asinine fellows with a short fuse.One will find it impossible to argue with a moslem about allah, mohammad or islam how so ever close one is!
The moslems have a conspiracy theory and uniformly hate Jews, Christians,Shias,Hindus and Buddhists in that order. Whats most interesting is a foot path fruit seller in a small village in remote part of India also hates jews! Has heard of jews and he blames his current misery on jews.If this is not a f***ked up mind due to religion then what is?
34. freedomfighter67 Says:
January 7th, 2009 at 11:18 am
BustedDivinity,

1. “that the earth was created in 4004 BC, that the earth is flat ”

2. “jesus calling a BAT a BIRD”

Show me where in the Bible did you get the statements above. You better be able to prove this you paganistic atheist. By the way, like I said numerous times here, I don’t differentiate atheists, hindus, buddhists, and muslims. They are all one and the same. All of them don’t believe in the love of the one true God for us. They are all pagans.

I don’t really care if these pagans refuse to see the love of God. It’s their business. Pagans deserve to live also. They have to have a chance to see the grace of God. Muslims however are the far left of paganism. They are the embodiment of satan. Through them comes the curse of humanity. They are the ultimate enemy of all, and that’s including other pagans like yourself.

Pagans need to see this reality that the Bible offers the love of God. That is the main context of the whole Bible. Pagans, otherwise called the Gentiles, were never cursed in the Bible but are subjects of God’s grace that are needed to be saved. If your aim is to disect the Bible into little pieces to find reasons that your belief is true, then of course that’s what you get. Read the entire Bible like you’re reading a novel and tell me what the main message is and be honest about it. Don’t worry about if it’s true or not. Is it violence or is it salvation? Now read the entire Qur’an and tell me what the main message is all about. Is it about saving mankind or is it about killing the infidels? Honesty can make a big difference when recognizing the Bible and the Qur’an. If you’re not honest enough to recognize this, you’re just insulting your intelligence.
35. Allahmiyan Says:
January 7th, 2009 at 11:41 am
Hi proudkafir ; I must say you have disturbed the Christians like “freedomfighter67Who is not free ” and “Marie Who gave birth to Jesus without losing her virginity”

According to FF67 “In my own opinion, anyway, Atheism is the same as Islam. No difference. They are both paganistic and satanic.”

All Christians believe in Paganism, Islam and Satan(shadow of Christian God) to believe against those so called Evils. Ha Ha Ha Ha

The fact is Islam is just a shadow of Christianity.
36. proudkafir Says:
January 7th, 2009 at 12:22 pm
When the concept of a flat earth is understood, then only any thing else makes sense! Otheriwse four corners of earth/ edges of earth or holding the earth from edges etc have no meaning! Its all gibberish. Its a different matter that B& its corrupted copy Q are nothing but gibberish.
Shall we proceed??? Flat earth concept in Bible??

“He shakes the earth from its place and makes its pillars tremble. (From the NIV Bible, Job 9:6)”

“Where were you when I laid the earth’s foundation? Tell me, if you understand. (From the NIV Bible, Job 38:4)” Isaiah 11:12
12 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH. (KJV) meaning 4 edges meaning flat earth.A cricket ball can not have 4 edges unless ofcourse if its a biblical invention

Revelation 7:1
1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree. (KJV)

Job 38:13
13 That it might take hold of the ENDS OF THE EARTH, that the wicked might be shaken out of it? (KJV)

“The earth takes shape like clay under a seal.” (Job 38:14)

This is the same author who spoke of grabbing the earth by its “edges.” If the Job author had known the earth was round, would he have referred to edges which don’t exist, and would he have compared it to clay seals, which are pressed flat?
Other evidence that the Bible teaches that the earth is flat is found in the following passages. The first is in Matthew:

“[T]he devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them”
(Matthew 4:1-12)
The visions of my head as I lay in bed were these: I saw, and behold, a tree in the midst of the earth; and its height was great. The tree grew and became strong, and its top reached to heaven, and it was visible to the end of the whole earth. (Daniel 4:10-11)

The “whole” earth? No matter how tall the tree was, even if it was only a dream, it would not have been visible from the other side of the earth
Want to know all about how flat fart the earth is feel free to read this site
http://hypertextbook.com/eworld/geocentric.shtml

Believing that a huge tree was visible from the four corners of earth is hmm rational and scientific. But believing that a monkey jumped across the sea to reach another island is stupid.
Daniel 4:10-11
The visions of my head as I lay in bed were these: I saw, and behold, a tree in the midst of the earth; and its height was great. The tree grew and became strong, and its top reached to heaven, and it was visible to the end of the whole earth. Inerrant word of lord jesus!

Matthew 4:8
Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain, and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and the glory of them; The whole earth is invisible even from atop mount everest and not even from space , simply because the earth is not flat like the believers of stupidity want all of us to believe! Earth is some what sphere. Certainly not flat.
Enough evidence to show how absurd the flat earth concept.If I am correct the proud christian is a Nigerian christian most probably from benin area! Am I right?
37. BustedDivinity. Says:
January 7th, 2009 at 12:50 pm
Leviticus 11:13-20 (New International Version)

Unclean and Detested bird:

13 “These are the “BIRDS” you are to detest and not eat because they are detestable: the eagle, the vulture, the black vulture, 14 the red kite, any kind of black kite, 15 any kind of raven, 16 the horned owl, the screech owl, the gull, any kind of hawk, 17 the little owl, the cormorant, the great owl, 18 the white owl, the desert owl, the osprey, 19 the stork, any kind of heron, the hoopoe and THE BAT, 20 ” ‘All flying insects that walk on all fours are to be detestable to you.

Deuteronomy 14:11-19 (New International Version)

Unclean Food:

11 You may eat any clean bird. 12 But these you may not eat: the eagle, the vulture, the black vulture, 13 the red kite, the black kite, any kind of falcon, 14 any kind of raven, 15 the horned owl, the screech owl, the gull, any kind of hawk, 16 the little owl, the great owl, the white owl, 17 the desert owl, the osprey, the cormorant, 18 the stork, any kind of heron, the hoopoe and THE BAT, 19 All flying insects that swarm are unclean to you; do not eat them. 20 But any winged creature that is clean you may eat.

Is that enough for you? do you need more verses on this?

Flat earth.

Disregarding the dome, the essential flatness of the earth’s surface is required by verses like Daniel 4:10-11. In Daniel, the king “saw a tree of great height at the centre of the earth…reaching with its top to the sky and visible to the earth’s farthest bounds.” If the earth were flat, a sufficiently tall tree would be visible to “the earth’s farthest bounds,” but this is impossible on a spherical earth. Likewise, in describing the temptation of Jesus by Satan, Matthew 4:8 says, “Once again, the devil took him to a very high mountain, and showed him all the kingdoms of the world [cosmos] in their glory.” Obviously, this would be possible only if the earth were flat. The same is true of Revelation 1:7: “Behold, he is coming with the clouds! Every eye shall see him.

Do you still need more on this? ask any astronomer the implication of the above.

BD(who thinks the mental gymnasts here are really ready for the next olympics)
38. proudkafir Says:
January 7th, 2009 at 1:01 pm
My my BD did Bible say that??? Horrendous to say the least.
Let us wait, after this Foot in the mouth response of your’s, for the people to reply sensibly with out fouling up the board. A trait not too uncommon amongst christian fundies and moslem undies.
39. BustedDivinity. Says:
January 7th, 2009 at 1:32 pm
The age of the earth.

Let us see what Mr. Bodie Hodge have about the age of the earth, bear in mind that the young earth creationists use this date as their reference, if I see the date an automobile was manufactured, it will be child’s play for me to know how old that automobile is, will it not? It is just like the flat earth insinuating verses, if one can be on a high elevation to see all the kingdoms on earth then the fact has been stated, we all know that is not possible on a spherical earth, but what do you know about the fundies?

“Bible doesn’t say explicitly anywhere, “the earth is 6,000 years old.” Good thing it doesn’t; otherwise it would be out of date the following year. But we wouldn’t expect an all-knowing God to make that kind of a mistake.

God gave us something better. In essence, He gave us a “birth certificate.” For example, using my personal birth certificate, I can calculate how old I am at any point. It is similar with the earth. Genesis 1 says that the earth was created on the first day of creation (Genesis 1:1–5). From there, we can begin calculations of the age of the earth.

Let’s do a rough calculation to show how this works. The age of the earth can be estimated by taking the first 5 days of creation (from earth’s creation to Adam), then following the genealogies from Adam to Abraham in Genesis 5 and 11, then adding in the time from Abraham to today.

Adam was created on Day 6, so there were 5 days before him. If we add up the dates from Adam to Abraham, we get about 2,000 years, using the Masoretic Hebrew text of Genesis 5 and 11.3 Whether Christian or secular, most scholars would agree that Abraham lived about 2,000 B.C. (4,000 years ago).

So a simple calculation is:

5 days
+ ~2000 years
+ ~4000 years
______________
~6000 years
At this point, the first 5 days are negligible. Quite a few people have done this calculation using the Masoretic text (which is what most English translations are based on) and, with careful attention to the biblical details, have arrived at the same time-frame of about 6,000 years, or about 4,000 B.C. Two of the most popular, and perhaps the best in my opinion, are a recent work by Dr. Floyd Jones and a much earlier book by Archbishop James Ussher (1581–1656):”

After all is said and done, if we are really sincere in our quest for truth, does a book with as much weaknesses be our first priority in our quest? How could an omniscient being make so many cock-eyed suggestions in virtually every nook and cranny of his godly book????? and Paul said god is not the author of confusion, how disingenius.

BD(who laughed his head off when a friend said this “we will have the evidence of the 72 virgins at about the same time we have evidence that jesus stayed virgin himself “)
40. BustedDivinity. Says:
January 7th, 2009 at 1:35 pm
Hey proudkafir, I like that, muslim fundies and christian undies, that’s succint.
41. Hekina Says:
January 7th, 2009 at 1:39 pm
Bible is as absurd as Koran. Calling Bat a bird is ludicrous (for bible readers, Bat is a mammal!)..
Biblical truth is that not only the earth is flat, but also the sun runs around the earth! We know Galileo story all too well to fall for any biblical bulls.
I wonder what makes these bible faithheads think that they have some monopoly on salvation business? They are brainwashed by their churches that stand in good christian queue and pray hard, and they are saved, so now work on proselytizing low life pagans and swell the numbers!
BTW, Was Jesus saved from the cross? The twelve fools (apostoles) that he gathered were the first ones to run away while he was on the cross. They themselves had no conviction in JC. Then this whole business of salvation was created to rule and fool the gullible. A simple story of Romeo and Juliet would evoke more love than this silly tale called bible!
What about evolution? Is it a biblical fact or a myth as taught in the churches? Check out real life skeleton of T-Rex in NY or Tokyo museum, does the biblical truth say anything about that.
42. proudchristian Says:
January 7th, 2009 at 1:50 pm
BD, proudkafir, continuum, certainly you must be envious of christians! By the way I now realize why God considered Adams actions a SIN that deserved death. I mean my understanding was God had been too rude of Adam, how could have eating the fruit of tree of knowledge could have resulted into such catastrophic results to the entire humankind? Well just by studying your psychology through you posts, I get it figuredout how God felt about Adam. It appears that, as God predicted, after Adam ate that fruit he gained so much knowledge that he felt he is full capable of everything, I mean no need of God anymore! Similarly atheists are of that fallen Adam nature. They think in Science they can get everything they need. They think of God as such figure which limits their freedom. They think this way: we are not sinful we do not need a saviour, if there is God what is that God to do with us, God go to hell alone!

I’ve mixed feelings for muslims. Most “good” muslims naturally love God. These muslims, i. e, the unscholarly ones, are like little children who sincerely desire to please God. Usually this type of muslims are the ignorant ones who have never read the quran or ahadith, they only take what they are fed with their mullahs. They are humble people who feel like they cannot live normal lives without that God factor. I live that up to God how he will judge them. All I know is that God is righteous. My opinion is that God is likely to show empathy with these kind of muslims.
43. proudkafir Says:
January 7th, 2009 at 2:09 pm
Dear Proud christian
Please stick to the questions, will you please?
Is the earth flat? If the earth is described as flat, its absolutely incorrect, even if hindu scriptures say so! There you are.Can you make a no nonsense statement like that.Say after me ” if the bible describes earth is flat” then its wrong!” Go on then.You will not go to hell for disbelieving bible.
Say after me” If the bible says the earth is only 6000 years old, it is incorrect even though bible says so.”Go on.The gates of heaven are wide open.
repeat after me with conviction” All human beings irrespective of their belief systems may be good or bad, will go to heaven or hell depending on the morally and ethically correct and incorrect deeds they may have done during their life time”. there you are Now you are opening your brains. Now quickly shut that book please the Bible.
44. BustedDivinity. Says:
January 7th, 2009 at 2:37 pm
Proudchristian.

I understand your feelings, however, when you say no need of god anymore, which god do you mean? hundreds if not thousand gods have been claimed by different people through out human history, for someone to think his own is the only right one is equivalent to arrogance, self righteousness and down right intellectual irresponsibility, whatever miracles one can claim from his god could be claimed by another, this is why an evidence is always asked, I will not bash any christian that can come up with a sound evidence, that will be irresposible, but to sit and watch a christian bashing a muslim knowing fully well that the intolerance within the two can be traced back to a common root will be a toal hypocrisy.

As you stated above, nonbelievers or atheists (because you seems to ignore any difference there) display a superiority of knowledge to god is really a cop out, you are the religionist claiming god, we simply ask for a proof, you didn’t provide that, you believe in extra-ordinary occurrences, but you fail to bring extra-ordinary evidences, now who is more inflexible about knowledge here?

About your ambivalence towards unscholarly muslims, I appreciate that, but to me they need not worry about such stuff as allah’s plan for them or anything, the only thing they should do is to try to be good citizens of their countries who will help anybody disregarding his/her identity, just be good for goodness sake.

BD(who after watching a super hero movie gets this kind of miraculous feeling of wanting to fly out the window and save humanity, but was always able to control the adrenaline rush)
45. proudchristian Says:
January 7th, 2009 at 2:48 pm
BD, all those viles that you spew about the bible in supposed absurdity and of alleged unscientificity reveals one thing: You simply do not need a divine God. And if there is one, you regard him as your enemy. And for that case you automatically become angry with those who go around bragging about God. The argument is simple. Christians are foolish people who think there is God or try to create one and we gladly accept it. Do you know why? Paul put it this way: “You know the world thinks lowly of us. We’re the dumb ones, the unintelligent ones who believe foolish rubbish, they’ll tell you. It’s ironic that this is exactly what God planned – remember when he spoke hundreds of years ago to Israel, ‘I’ll destroy the wisdom of the wise, and the intelligence of the intelligent I will bring to nothing.’ Yet God exposed man’s intelligence — even my own! — as pretentious nonsense. The world in all its wisdom and knowledge remains clueless when it comes to knowing God. God’s delighted in choosing what the world considers foolish in order that the high and mighty be laid low, and the low and humble be made righteous and upstanding before God.

But LOL! look how God works! even though we have humbled ourselves I am sure we are just as intelligent as you are. Or perhaps more than you. Leaders in the worldly wisdom (science, technology, etc), yet we go around bragging about “absurdity” , the bible.
46. proudkafir Says:
January 7th, 2009 at 3:09 pm
Supposed Absurdity??? Alleged unscietificity( wht ever that means)
Hmm The dictionary defines suposed as “. assumed as true, regardless of fact; hypothetical: a supposed case.
2. accepted or believed as true, without positive knowledge: the supposed site of an ancient temple.
3. merely thought to be such; imagined: supposed gains.
We never assumed that these are absurdities.We are sure that there are absurdities in both B & Q. its actually you people who are supposing that these are divine revealations.As far as we are concerned they are asinine absurdities.
Alleged definition”
declared or stated to be as described; asserted: The alleged murderer could not be located for questioning.
2. doubtful; suspect; supposed: The alleged cure-all produced no results when it was tested by reputable doctors. We do not doubt even for a second that bible is unscientific.We are quite sure that bible is very unscientific, absurd and stupid just like qrand is.Its you people who are drumming up support for this stupid asinine revealation.Please grant God a bit more intelligence than there is in bible please will you?
47. proudchristian Says:
January 7th, 2009 at 3:38 pm
….for someone to think his own is the only right one is equivalent to arrogance, self righteousness and down right intellectual irresponsibility…..

You clearly do not understand christianity. Thats why you have such hate when it comes to the bible. No one will read the bible and come out thinking he has got his own God who is the only right one! The Old testament considered by the Jews to be their only holy book, given by their only one God, who is the absolute true God, is blantantly anti-Jewish even more than the quran. Read through the curses they endured throughout the entire Old Testaments, yet they consider it their Holy book! The new testament clearly depicts no man who is rightious on the face of the earth. My point is that if there is God he must be the God of all cultures, and if there the only true holybook it must transcend geographical boundaries, penetrate cultures and reveal sinful character of man, thus able to convince him/her that he needs God to redeem him.

Now I am sure you have read the bible, tell me why shouldn’t the hindu or atheist for that matter need Jesus?
48. Hekina Says:
January 7th, 2009 at 3:42 pm
Proud Christian
Like everybody has right to his/her beliefs, there is no issue about your belief in your God. The issue is you and your ilk’s arrogance to say that you have some superior claim to that God and salvation (as promised in bible), and you have a right to brainwash others into your belief (take a relook at your answer and claim to your superior intelligence!). Then obviously, we have to examine your claim vis-a-vis bible and find that this book propogates complete crap like Koran. Science did not have all answers even at the time of Galileo, it has more answers now. It may still have more years later.
(The world in all its wisdom and knowledge remains clueless when it comes to knowing God….) Why?
Your answer reeks of biblical origin. Naturally, it is absurd, like most of this book is.
49. freedomfighter67 Says:
January 7th, 2009 at 3:54 pm
To Busteddivinity:

To Busteddivinity:

I guess you are right that the Bible described the bats as birds but Jesus Christ didn’t say this. Why do you lie to people here? Are you like the Muslims who use lie as their instrument to attack Christianity? Do you really expect the primitive Israelites to write the words as “flying mammal” to describe the bat? They didn’t even have a word for mammal at that time. I thought you are smarter than this.

The same applies to the 6 days of creation. Be advised that the Bible was written by primitive people. Who ever wrote the Bible received the inspiration through a vision, not through dictation like the Qur’an. One day for God can possibly be equal to billions of years to us. Who are you to assume this is not possible? Besides, during the creation, there is no measurement of time of the day yet. Since the writer received this through a vision, and through his primitive mind, the best he can do to measure time of the fast forward effect of the creation of earth through the vision is the concept of his own which is day. Imagine if you’re watching a fast forward effect of a movie and you’re from the time of Moses and you are supposed to describe the length of time of the event in the movie, is it possible that you will tell everyone in your village that the entire one and a half hour movie only happened in few minutes?

The above analysis is just from a regular Christian like me, and I’m not even a scholar. The reason I can see the Bible differently is because I opened my mind and my heart humbly. Arrogance such as yours can make people blind when reading the Bible. That’s why I always say Muslims and Atheists and the rest of the pagans are the same, because they are the ones described in the Bible as those who have eyes but can not see and ears but can not hear.
50. Hekina Says:
January 7th, 2009 at 3:59 pm
(Now I am sure you have read the bible, tell me why shouldn’t the hindu or atheist for that matter need Jesus?)

Forget Hindus and atheists, nobody needs bible for being such a silly and absurd book. As for Jesus, when he could not save himself nor could his twelve fools called apostles who actually escaped while he was being nailed, what are you talking about? Are you out of your mind?
(….reveal sinful character of man)
What is this crap? You appear to be brain-washed thoroughly by your church. Close the damn book and open your mind. No man is sinful. Kick your pastor for spreading these lies and creating guilt conscience as instrument to control dummies. period.
51. proudchristian Says:
January 7th, 2009 at 4:01 pm
….but to sit and watch a christian bashing a muslim knowing fully well that the intolerance within the two can be traced back to a common root will be a total hypocrisy…

Personally my argument against Islam is not based on absurdity, violence or intolerance. My argument is always was Muhammad a true prophet? Or why do we need a quran which sound more or less similar to the Old testament while we have already got such derived and better scriptures filled with love and hope in the new testament?
52. Hekina Says:
January 7th, 2009 at 4:06 pm
(That’s why I always say Muslims and Atheists and the rest of the pagans are the same, because they are the ones described in the Bible as those who have eyes but can not see and ears but can not hear.)

While biblican Christians could hear and prosecute Galileo with open eyes and ears! HaHaHa…

(The reason I can see the Bible differently is because I opened my mind and my heart humbly. )

Arrogance through back-door this time. The guy doesn’t even appear to realize this.
53. proudkafir Says:
January 7th, 2009 at 4:39 pm
Dear Proud biblicist
There are far too many ambguities and inconsistensies in Bible.
Biblical god is incapable of transcending the earth and geographical boundaries.
Bible is not the whole truth, absolute truth and nothing but truth. See newton’s Law is applicable all over to a large extent if not in space
By the way Are you from Nigeria??” My point is that if there is God he must be the God of all cultures, and if there the only true holybook it must transcend geographical boundaries, penetrate cultures and reveal sinful character of man, thus able to convince him/her that he needs God to redeem him.
Let us deconstruct.
Why should different cultures not have different gods? Why are you being dictoatorial? Which God gave you a free hand to impose your God on all people???
Bible is not the holy true book at all.It is unholy and a big lie.It has every thing incoherent you can think of.Is God the creator of thie entire universe unintelligent, incoherent, stupid,irresponsible, jealous, maniac, violent,crude, cursing god? Biblical and qrandic gods are everything but God. You are at liberty to believe what you want but dont kill me for not believing your god.Hindus do not need a vile, violent, incoherent ,unintelligent,stupid, irresponsible,idiotic, imbecile cretin as GOD! I can not go on repeating these qualities of your god.
54. proudchristian Says:
January 7th, 2009 at 4:49 pm
Proudkafir,

OKAY!
55. BustedDivinity. Says:
January 7th, 2009 at 4:59 pm
So to the christians there is a difference between god’s words in the bible and the word of god, I thought the book was god inspired i.e jesus is god, and god is jesus, and that the holy words of the bible are god inspired word, in any case, the bible god has done a shitty job of a communication attempt, if he allows imperfect men to have a say in his divine word independently then I just got one more strong evidence that christianity is a man made religion so also the biblical command that people should stay away from eating some sort of birds and mammals is just an independent opinion from some common men who can err, and they together with their god obviously did.

From what I can tell, there is no substansive refutation of those godly contradiction, sorry I hurt your feelings, IT IS EITHER DADDY GOD WAS NOT OMNIPOTENT ENOUGH TO HALT THE INFILTRATION OF WRONG STATEMENTS IN HIS GUIDANCE BOOK OR HE WANTED TO SAY WRONG THINGS FOR FUN, wait a minute, someone was arguing against the presence of the bat statement in the bible, I didn’t see any rebuttals to the actual verses that mentioned the presence, don’t tell me the omniscient didn’t think it appropriate to command his writers to write the correct thing from the word go since we all know that the book is for all time, people didn’t know about the classification of living things back then but surely god did, but he still allowed his supposed guide book to have statements that are incongruous with reality, some god you got there folks.

As I saId before, religion is what it is, a wishful thinking with faith as the vehicle, all religionist do is rely on folklores to explain mythology, I wish I could take the credit here ” our modern religions will make the future mythologies ” but then someone got it already.

How does this sound to your ears from a merciful lord, the LORD speaks

The one who has stolen what was set apart for destruction will himself be burned with fire, along with everything he has, for he has broken the covenant of the LORD and has done a horrible thing in Israel.” (Joshua 7:15 NLT).

Or the biblical version of evolution.

Jacob displays his (and God’s) knowledge of biology by having goats copulate while looking at streaked rods. The result is streaked baby goats (Genesis 30:37). The author of Genesis (God?) believed that genetic characteristics of the offspring are determined by what the parents see at the moment of conception. This is a laughable belief. Ask any animal husbandrist.

So much for an all perfect and knowledgeable god, and it is good to know that you at least acknowledge the presence of the bat as a bird shit in the holy bible, no positive achievement is small.

BD(who is sur an absurdity is what it is no matter the embellishment)
56. BustedDivinity. Says:
January 7th, 2009 at 5:12 pm
Hello Hekina, the twelve fools as apostles that escaped and the part where the pastor should be kicked really had me laughing, I love the exchange of ideas, wish I could stay up all night to get some fun kicks out of this forum.
57. BustedDivinity. Says:
January 7th, 2009 at 5:23 pm
Today, days begin and end at midnight. This was not true of the Jews. Their days begin and end at sunset (Lev. 23:32).

The Jewish day was originally divided into three parts (Ps. 55:17).

“The heat of the day” (1 Sam. 11:11; Neh. 7:3) was at our nine o’clock. “The cool of the day” just before sunset (Gen. 3:8)

Now we have seen what bible means when it says a day in the above biblical verses, what differentiates this DAY from the DAY in the creation story hmmmmm? I told you, it is just wishful thinking, your god should have done a better job in his holy guidance for mankind.
58. freedomfighter67 Says:
January 7th, 2009 at 5:25 pm
To proudkafr,

To Proudkfr,

I knew it all along that you are Hindu trying to pretend that you’re an atheist, but then again you two are one and the same.

Like I said before here in FFI, I was once an atheist and I can understand every bit of their gripes and complaints against Christianity or the Bible. Long time ago, I used to dissect the Bible like a laboratory frog and make fun of it in front of my Christian friends. In fact, I used to be an atheist preacher, preaching the gospel of every atheists that there is no God. I used to get really mad at people defending the Bible and call them stupid just like the atheists and the Hindus here in FFI. My hatred was at the point of explosion that every bit of misery the world had gone through during the height of my atheism I put the blame to God. I said to everyone that science is my God. Then one day, the death of my own daughter had made me contemplate why science couldn’t save her. Only during the lowest point of my life I realized that my life was already perfect, that all the blessings I have received I took for granted for so many years. This perfect life had made me so arrogant that it had made me think this life sucks. I gave up this arrogance when I realized I have no control over life. My depression consumed me so much that it affected my wife and my children. My atheism couldn’t even lift me up to where I was before. I used to read the Bible only to find faults in it but for the first time I read the Bible with a humble heart. It seemed like it was the very first time I ever read it and wondered why I didn’t see the message before.
59. proudkafir Says:
January 7th, 2009 at 5:33 pm
Dear Hekina
How shall I thank you? Come on let me give you a nice EEE hug! yippee There I feel better.oolalal I am on cloud nine
Ahh tchcth the word of God IE Bible was written by primitive people who had no clue about bat not being a bird but a flying mammal. True indeed. Wait a minute.Did the all knowing who inspired these primitive people not know the meaning of mammary glands? Dont tell me the creator of mammary glands did not know bat was a mammal!!!! Very interesting indeed.How unintelligent of God not to know mammary gland.I love ‘em with all the coverings and a decent
shape! I mean not the bats , the mammary glands!
Do you really expect the primitive Israelites to write the words as “flying mammal” to describe the bat? They didn’t even have a word for mammal at that time. I thought you are smarter than this.HAhaha God talks to or inspires or stimulates these people who are primitive people and forgets to tell them that the Bats are mammals.But Jesus did not say Bat is a bird, it’s the stupid primitive israilites.The jews and not jesus
Gee .Look at the twists and turns they take.
Bible is God’s word and nothing but God’s word. Ahh to swallow that crap you have to be brain dead. The moment you question that concept, these undies will say.
No Bible is not necessarily God’s word , but inspired by god.It has to be looked at as a historical description.It is not obligatory/ prescriptive but just descriptive.
then they will twist and turn and say “wait you all go to hell” and try and scare you to death!! Not scared at all they will call you all kinds of names , use foulest of foul language .You don’t give in and stick to truth, they will call you all kinds of names.. At least the christian undies are better,they will not now a days kill you, unlike the barbaric moscums.You can fool some people some of the time , but you can not fool all people all the time. B& Q are the same toilet rolls.
60. continuum Says:
January 7th, 2009 at 7:46 pm
“Rss hindu goons Condom and Mustafa (fake) supporting each other.Rss hindu goons bfore posting have a look at your filthy Geetha and Manu”

Once they were atheists, then they were mooslims, now they are Rss goons… What else these Christians have in their pockets ?
61. freedomfighter67 Says:
January 7th, 2009 at 9:53 pm
The FFI site has started to smell like Hindus really bad, you know, the distinct smell of a bad sewer. It used to be a very informative site to know the real enemy which is Islam, but Hindus, including those Hindus pretending to be atheists, have manipulated this site and would rather attack Christianity instead of Islam. I think it’s time for me to move on.

But before I’ll leave this site I honestly wanted to know the reason why Hindus and Muslims from India smell really bad. Nobody seems to be able to answer this very simple question. I ask this once but I’ll ask it again, is it part of Hinduism and Islam to smell funky or is this just an Indian musk you guys are wearing? If this is an Indian musk,my advice to Hindus is this, please don’t sell this musk or cologne to any mall in the US because the health officals will arrest your stinky asses. Your smell is considered health hazard to us.

I ask all Hindus and Muslims here from India, please do not get mad at me because this is not a joke. I am very seriously worried about your smell. I don’t mind your religion Hinduism despite its absurdities like worshiping cows, monkeys and rats, and your statues of peolple with multiple hands, and the frightful pictures of your God krishna which is purple or rather the color of a decomposing human being and your black satanic stone in the Kabaa, but your smell. I just can’t stand your smell. I think I speak in behalf of all americans here, but they’re just too coward to tell you Indian Hindus and Muslims straight up.

I hope that you people (Indian Hindus, Muslims, and Atheists), can be so understanding to explain to me the cause of your decomposing smell, so I can explain this to the rest of my Judeo-Christian religionists that this has nothing to do with your religion.

Sincerely appreciative,

Freedomfighter67

PS: God still loves you no matter how you smell, but please for the sake of humanity, solve this smell problem first before you criticize Christianity. You owe this to the human civilization to take responsibility of your smell and lessen humanities sufferings. Life dealing with Muslims is hard as it is.
62. continuum Says:
January 7th, 2009 at 10:15 pm
Poor Christian fanatics…LOL… They are loosing the argument and so need to to take cheap pot shots on others…. I can however understand the pain Christian fanatics feel when their silly religion is exposed…

Some bible nuggets…..

God teaches us in the Bible that “thinking” and “worrying” is an absolute waste of time!　

Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not the life more than meat, and the body than raiment? Behold the fowls of the air: for they sow not, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feedeth them. Are ye not much better than they? Which of you by taking thought can add one cubit unto his stature? – Matthew 6:25
63. continuum Says:
January 7th, 2009 at 10:33 pm
“Hinduism despite its absurdities like worshiping cows, monkeys and rats, ……”

Yes..yes…Christianity has no absurdity at all….It is the scientific religion….. virgin birth, holy ghost or god impregnating a woman, that dead corpse on a stick, have you ever taken a look at that pale white corpse…this somehow does not catch the xian’s eyes… .. all these are no absurdities… they are all scientific indeed…
64. silenzer Says:
January 7th, 2009 at 11:58 pm
Riverside, take a close look at the verses presented by you.

In the Bhagavad Gita, Ch.4, Verse 13
The Lord says: “The fourfold caste has been created by Me
according to the differentiation of Guna and Karma;” —- The varnas are based on guna and karma. Don’t you find the four sects (intellectual, warrior, business, and labour) even in the current society? Right from Africa to Europe to Asia to America, you will always find the four varnas (sects). Everyone cannot become Einstein. Based on your ability, a person serves the society by either working as an intellectual being, or as a soldier, or as a businessman (heard of Bill Gates), or as a labour (have u seen a gardener doing an efficient job). Never in these scriptures is it stated that these sects are based on birth. We have Chanakya, one of the greatest authors on Finance, born as a barber. The author of Hindu puranas was born to a fisherwoman. Satyakama, born to a prostitute and who did not know the name of his father, is one of the intellectuals in Hindu society.

Have you heard of Gurukula system? If not just google out what the education system in India was. Even with English as modern language, students in India still learn in the same old Gurukula fashion. Do you think no laws existed in Hindu society? You are the greatest Riverside fool I have ever seen. There was code of conduct for every walk of life. Better do a bit of research and post on such forums.

In the Bhagavad Gita, Ch.18, verse 40 the
Lord says:
“There is no being on earth, or again in heaven among the
gods, that is liberated from the three qualities born of Nature.”

Gita Ch. 18, V.41:
“Of Brahmanas, Kshtriyas and Vaishyas, as also the Sudras,
O Arjuna, the duties are distributed according to the qualities
born of their own nature.”
65. freedomfighter67 Says:
January 8th, 2009 at 12:13 am
After Riverside informed me about all the above Hindu scriptures, I wanted to leave Christianity now and wanted to become a Hindu. I realized Hinduism is the truth finally.

By the way, Hindus, I’m very sorry if you find it offensive when I asked you about your Hindu smell. I don’t really know how to ask Hindus politely without hurting them about their putrid smell. If you have any suggestion how to ask Hindus politely about their smell, I would gladly welcome it. Thanks in advance. Maybe we can be friends after all, well, once you get rid of your foul smell of course.

I don’t really want to argue with Hindus anymore. I admit Hindus, your religion is the truth and nothing but the truth. In fact, I want to convert to Hinduism, can you please explain to me how I may become Hindu? What do I do as a former Christian to become Hindu, and where do you Hindus buy your foul smelling cologne so I can be like a real Hindu from India?

Please I’m very serious now. All my life I’ve looking into the wrong belief. All my life I’ve been worshiping the wrong faith. It is time for me to become a Hindu and accept the truth of life. By the way, how may I become a brahma because I don’t want to clean sewer pipes and toilets. I don’t want to mess up my Hindu cologne that I will wear once I become a Hindu.

I am looking forward to become a part of your Hindu faith and worship Krishna. By the way I still need to know if this Krishna guy is a he or she before I can worship him/her and call his/her sexual orientation by mistake.

Sincerely yours,
Freedomfighter67
66. Dude Says:
January 8th, 2009 at 1:16 am
Faithfreedom67, Isn’t it true that you guys take bath once in three days? When your Jesus was nailed to the cross, I heard he was stinking very bad. Did you spray him with Rexona or Brut? Poor chap, he couldnt save himself, how can he take your sins? LOL There are plenty of rivers in India, and Hindus know about health, hygiene, and cleanliness really well.

As regards to you conversion, you are not intelligent. So you cannot be a Brahmana. You are not courageous either; so you cannot be a Kshatriya. You do not possess any business ideas for you have a dumb-ass Biblical brain. So you cannot be a Vaishya. Finally, you are a lazy-ass and hence cannot do the work of a labourer. Therefore you are unfit to join any religion, let alone Hinduism. What you can do is hallucinate how your Lord Jesus Christ was screwed up on the cross crying “mummy save me” and poo-pooh to everyone about the absurdities in the Bible.

BTW, curry smells better than BBQ. Do you still eat BBQ just like your good old ancestors who used to kill animals in jungles? Finally, have you heard of sandalwood tree? When your ancestors were roaming naked in the jungles without taking showers for ages, Hindus were using sandalwood paste as perfume.

Finally there is a saying in Hindi “bandar kya jaane adrak ka swaad” meaning “a monkey will never get to know the taste of ginger”. BTW have you ever tasted ginger or you are dependent on BBQ all the time?
67. wagamama Says:
January 8th, 2009 at 1:23 am
Faithfreedom67, forget about the smell of curries for time being now. You haven’t answered about the age of earth according to your holy-wily Bible. It was posted by a guy called Silenzer (see above). Here is the link again for you and other Christians: http://www.albatrus.org/english/theology/creation/biblical_age_earth.htm

So, is Bible still the word of God?
68. continuum Says:
January 8th, 2009 at 1:26 am
Gutterside wrote:

“By the way read your Gita Condom . Are you a low caste sudra ? and thus the name condom??”

Dear Gutterside,

Did you even read what you quoted ? …LOL…..

here are some quotes, emphasis mine….

[The commentator explains that the words expressive of hue or colour really mean attributes. WHAT IS INTENDED TO BE SAID IS that the Brahmanas had the attribute of Goodness (Sattwa); the second order had the attribute of Passion (Rajas); the third got a mixture of the two, i.e., both goodness and passion (Sattwa and Rajas); while the lowest order got the remaining attribute, viz., Darkness (Tamas).].

In the Bhagavad Gita, Ch.4, Verse 13
The Lord says:
“The fourfold caste has been created by Me
according to the differentiation of GUNA (character) and KARMA (actions);”

In the Bhagavad Gita, Ch.18, verse 40 the
Lord says:
“There is no being on earth, or again in heaven among the
gods, that is liberated from the three qualities born of Nature.”

Do you even know what the verses are talking about ?
69. continuum Says:
January 8th, 2009 at 1:36 am
“Condom , the whole of India is gift of the British not any caste hindoos wet dream…… were slaves to them.”

Now gutterside is talking about history, without understanding anything, after quoting Hindu scriptures without understanding anything…LOL…

Muslims hardly conquered entire India…. They were frequently dealt with by Hindus…. It is NOT that every Hindu was a slave or even majority were slaves. British people fought with Indians against these Muslims in many cases and then British with their deceit, which is known globally, captured India and looted its resources. Indians have nothing to thank British, for they were plain thieves.

“British gave Indians the Indian Penal Code, ………Also gave them modern education and English, that was instrumental in the integration of these small kingdoms that later made up Indian union.”

When British visited India, on an average Indians were more educated than their British counterparts. This is even recorded by British government when they took census in the beginning. British then opened more Universities, with their ulterior motive of now psychologically subjugating Indians. However this whole thing backfired….LOL…. We are NOT fools..

“British conquered whole these splintered kingdoms and united them under the banner of Indian union.If nagaland is part of India thank British for that first, though the people there, have nothing to do with rest of the Indians racially or linguistically.”

Ahhh…. now comes the racial divide and rule policy of British and white European thugs. Nagaland is/was part of India. Christian terrorists may claim otherwise, however we are going to kill them all…
70. continuum Says:
January 8th, 2009 at 1:41 am
“I am looking forward to become a part of your Hindu faith and worship Krishna. By the way I still need to know if this Krishna guy is a he or she before I can worship him/her and call his/her sexual orientation by mistake.”

Why don’t you answer what the sexual orientation and sex of “holy ghost” is ? What kind of dick or did he have one did he have to impregnate that Jewish woman in Palestine ? I will answer you once you answer this question.
71. continuum Says:
January 8th, 2009 at 1:57 am
It seems Christians are getting more and more disturbed by people exposing their religion. they seem to be all worried too much thinking too much…. so let me help them by giving one of the bible nuggets…. LOL….

God teaches us in the Bible that “thinking” and “worrying” is an absolute waste of time!　

Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not the life more than meat, and the body than raiment? Behold the fowls of the air: for they sow not, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feedeth them. Are ye not much better than they? Which of you by taking thought can add one cubit unto his stature? – Matthew 6:25
72. dami_anni Says:
January 8th, 2009 at 2:03 am
Proudkafir.
The Bible verses you cited were ALL taken out of context. You’re imposing your own interpretation on the text instead of discovering its meaning through proper exegesis. I think it’s pretty obvious that the four corners of the earth is reference to the four cardinal directions: north, south, east, and west. Similar terminology is used today when we speak of the sun’s rising and setting, even though it’s the earth, not the sun, doing the moving. Likewise, your interpretations of the verses where god “lays the earth’s foundation” and similar ones don’t take into consideration the literary genre. You’re reading metaphorical imagery as if it were literal. You are not reading the Bible as a whole, just picking out verses at your convenience. Why don’t you comment Isaiah 40:22 He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth, and its people are like grasshoppers, He stretches out the heavens like a canopy, and spreads them out like a tent to live in. (NIV)

BustedDivinity.
In response to the Bible calling the bat a bird. It’s obvious that Linnaean Taxonomy was not available in the time of the writing of Leviticus and Deuteronomy, so it’s quite irrational for you expect a scientific definition of what a bird or bat is in that specific moment in history. In this case, the word rendered birds means simply “owner of a wing”, the Hebrew word being ‘owph, which comes from a root word which means to cover or to fly. http://www.tektonics.org/af/batbird.html
About the age of the earth you make the common mistake of assuming that there are no gaps in the genealogical lists of the Bible. Again this is an issue of biblical terminology. “In biblical Hebrew culture being a father was thought in the same light as being a forefather or ancestor. Begat can mean “was the ancestor of.” The word son (ben) can mean descendant. Jesus was the “son of David,” though at least thirty-one generations separated David from the Christ” Geisler, Norman L; Baker Encyclopedia of Christian Apologetics

Al l of the objections to the Bible posted so far are based on deceitful interpretations of the biblical text. The way I see it, the methods you guys are using are no different than the one employed by the Muslims. Cheat, lie, misinterpret… anything goes. I’ll leave you all with a quote from C.S. Lewis.

There is no need to be worried by facetious people who try to make the Christian hope of “Heaven” ridiculous by saying they do not want “to spend eternity playing harps.” The answer to such people is that if they cannot understand books written for grown-ups, they should not talk about them. All the scriptural imagery (harps, crowns, gold, etc.) is, of course, a merely symbolical attempt to express the inexpressible.
C.S. Lewis, Mere Christianity
73. proudkafir Says:
January 8th, 2009 at 2:05 am
By the way, Hindus, I’m very sorry if you find it offensive when I asked you about your Hindu smell. I don’t really know how to ask Hindus politely without hurting them about their putrid smell. If you have any suggestion how to ask Hindus politely about their smell, I would gladly welcome it. Thanks in advance. Maybe we can be friends after all, well, once you get rid of your foul smell of course.
Does any one perceive iota of intelligence in the above statement?
Ignorance, arrogance,hurt ego, impoliteness are all self evident( a trait common to the abrahamaic people)
Thus spoke a losing christian!
When you can not counter an arguement or even a statement with thoughtful and intelligent answers,then do what your allah and lord teaches.Kill the other person and silence the arguement! No person to oppose and so no arguement.
Conversion to any religion is not a solution but is a disease! When you say convert to Christianity or islam, what it means is the religion in to which you have converted to is better than the one you belong to and has more answers to your day to daty problems.
First remember all religions are man made.As soon as you realise that, religion has not a meaning to realise god. God is a different concept.
You do not even know any thing at all about me! My sex,age,profession I mean nothing.Just like you assumed your lord was correct in describing BAT as bird, you are assuming things about me! I am not here to convert you in to hinduism!
I come here with no hidden agendas, unlike you crusaders and jihadis. When the self realisation has dawned on you that the biblical god can be and is infact wrong, continue further.Go after the truth.This time go after the real, absolute, eternal,indestructible,inviolable,infallible,truth! A truth that will stand any scrutiny and truth that will with stand any force, you have found GOD. That’s GOD and not allah or Rama or Jesus.
Repeat after me Earth is not flat even though Veda/bible/qrand says so!
Repeat after me God’s words are infallible and since the vedas.qrand and bible etc all have mistakes,contradictions,absurdities,stupidities,violence etc ( which are all human traits) these are NOT god’s words.GOD is far more intelligent than that.
Repeat after me.Just because some one has convincingly shown the absurdities of qran and bible, does not mean he/she is a hindu/RSS goon etc.Use your brain cells, now that you are doubting bible as not words of god.
Start reading to show that there are absurdities in Hinduism! To reveal there are absurdities in Bible I had to read Bible.
I shall tell you what happened when I started reading bible.
I discussed with ( I employ Hindu, moslem,christian buddhist etc) employees) with christians in my place.Some christians argued even thoughthey were a bit scared of their jobs.Some were upset that they could not retaliate.I did not fire any one of them!
There was a Hindu who made a stupid statement.All religions teach the same! You know what I fired him stat. This guy is ignorant and he is not even aware of his ignorance.So I fired him.Does that surprise you? Nahh Yousee I am RSS Indian goon who is smelly.
Because fo your statement above neither you nor bible come out smelling of roses.Am I right?
If you have really lost your daughter, I would say I am sorry and I understand your loss and let GOD rest her soul in peace. If you find solace in reading Bible, please continue to do so. If you get peace of mind reading Bible, its an excellent idea to continue doing that. I also have a daughter and so I do not wish any one to lose their children.I oppose the bible/qrand/vedas, but does not mean that I wish you bad things. I still wish you best of luck.
74. dami_anni Says:
January 8th, 2009 at 2:29 am
Hey Hekina,
It’s not that Jesus couldn’t save himself from the cross; it’s that he chose to die for us all. And you forgot to mention that after those eleven (not twelve) fools called apostles ran away while he was being arrested (not nailed), all came back and gave their lives for their belief that they saw, heard and touched the risen messiah.
75. proudkafir Says:
January 8th, 2009 at 2:43 am
British and Moghuls ruled bits and pieces of the Akhand Bharath that extended from Upganasthan to cambodia and beyond! If you do not know the meaning of upaganasthan, remeber the barbarians now there?Afghanis? That was a sattelite town of Bharath!
That piece of history still does not make biblical asinine assertion that earth is flat or Bat is a bird come true.There is absolutely no truth in qrandic verses.
This fact does not make me smelly! Even If iam smelly, that does not make bible/qrandic verses come true. Does it?
Calling all sorts of names and fouling up the message board only shows your frustration and inability to constructively argue the case for the absurdity called bible. Am I right?
Let us assume I do not have bath daily and assume that I reek of garlic.Let us say thats truth and not an assumption.But how does that make bible/qrand true?
My words have disturbed you.Thats because I have revealed the lack of truth in what you believed as truth.
Flat earth not true.Gods word if you please
Bat a bird not true.God’s word again please
Earth created 6000 years ago not true.God’s asinine assertion
Earth fixed and sun goes round the earth not true.God’s absurd declaration
Sun sets in a muddy pond Not true.Stupid allah’s thought
Mohammad split the moon in two. Laughably untrue.
I am reeking of Garlic? haha May be true.
your belief in bible and qrand as not being true shattered? very true.
You are on a slippery slope of unbelief? true indeed.
I am a hindu RSS goon? May be true no evidence.
Who am I ?? Iam what Iam true? yes indeed.
76. dami_anni Says:
January 8th, 2009 at 3:30 am
Proudkafir
I agree with you 100% that freedomfighter67’s comment about Hindus was way out of line. But you should understand that that’s a trait common to the human race not only abrahamaic people. You’re being quite satirical yourself if you haven’t noticed. The thing is that when Christians behave in improper manner, they’re doing so in complete disobedience to what our Lord Jesus taught.

The Bible says:
Conduct yourselves with wisdom toward outsiders, making the most of the opportunity. 6 Let your speech always be with grace, as though seasoned with salt, so that you will know how you should respond to each person. [Colossians 4:5,6 (NASB)]

Let no unwholesome word proceed from your mouth, but only such a word as is good for edification according to the need of the moment, so that it will give grace to those who hear. [Ephesians 4:29 (NASB)]

But in your hearts set apart Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect, 16 keeping a clear conscience, so that those who speak maliciously against your good behavior in Christ may be ashamed of their slander. [1 Peter 3:15,16 (NASB)]
77. freedomfighter67 Says:
January 8th, 2009 at 4:07 am
Proudkafir,

I don’t need to read the Hindu scriptures because I am not looking forward to criticize it. Besides I just look at Hindus and I already know how they and their religion smell. Hinduism has nothing to do with me. Hindus can worship their own turds and I could care less. I am here to criticize Islam which is the enemy of the western world. But Hindus here will try their best to divert the subject into Christianity or the Bible away from Islam for some odd reason. I didn’t start this war but Hindus did, so why do you complain?

Now I admit I lost the war and the Hindus won by proving to me that Hinduism is the one true religion of the whole universe, that’s why I wanted to convert to Hinduism, but somehow no Hindus here are willing to help me.

I want to be a Hindu where I can read all Hindu scriptures in which the words I can’t even pronounce. I wanted to paint myself into different colors of spices to show how serious I am to become one. I will give up eating McDonalds and T bone stakes but will just eat curry as long as I live. This is going to be a long life to live with diarhea but I am willing to do that. I will buy cheap hotels in the USA and will try my best to make it even more dilapidated as much as I could in the name of Hinduism. I will grow a very long beard like the Talibans and start wearing white blankets to make me look holy. I will preach to Oprah and give her some enlightenment how to lose weight and how to keep healthy and maybe a little yoga and some massage at the right price (preferably a red dot on her forehead like the mark of the beast) in the name of Hinduism.

All of these I will do, just help me to become Hindu and I’ll promise I will attack the Christians in this site also. I will divert the arguments away from Islam because I realized now that Christianity is evil, and only Hinduism is full of aroma.

Please Hindus, I am serious now. Please help to become one of you. The hardest part would probably be how to get used to the smell of my fellow Hindus but through dedication I will suffocate myself with the aroma of Hinduism.

Hari Krishna, Hari Rama…

Sincerely yours,
freedomfighter67
78. dami_anni Says:
January 8th, 2009 at 4:08 am
Proudkafir
Flat earth not true. God’s word if you please
Bat a bird not true. God’s word again please
Earth created 6000 years ago not true. God’s asinine assertion
Earth fixed and sun goes round the earth not true. God’s absurd declaration.

You keep assuming that your interpretation of the Bible is true. As I’ve already posted your interpretation is extremely unlikely. Yet you insist on maintaining your position regardless of how improbable it is. That’s not very honest from your part. It seems to me that you’re guilty of committing the same sin as the fundamentalist that you’re accusing.
79. wagamama Says:
January 8th, 2009 at 5:10 am
To Dami_anni : Here is the proof that according to Bible the age of the earth is around 6000 yrs. http://www.albatrus.org/english/theology/creation/biblical_age_earth.htm
80. Hekina Says:
January 8th, 2009 at 6:04 am
To Dami_anni
(Hey Hekina,
It’s not that Jesus couldn’t save himself from the cross; it’s that he chose to die for us all.)
What an unadulterared nonsense. Did JC take my permission to die for me? I will not give anybody this permission to do so for me. It simply encroaches on my individual freedom that someone dies for me for some fabricated reason out of his twisted reasoning.

(And you forgot to mention that after those eleven (not twelve) fools called apostles ran away while he was being arrested (not nailed), all came back and gave their lives for their belief that they saw, heard and touched the risen messiah.)

Another crap. Why did they run away in the first place and not die before JC was nailed when their conviction in him was so strong. Actually, these twelve fools absconded somewhere while he was being crucified to escape similar fate for themselves. They had no conviction. Even JC’s body was removed by one Mary Magdeline, the twelve fools were nowhere on-site.
Rest all is cock and bull story spun by churches of various hues to rule the gullible.
81. Mustafa Says:
January 8th, 2009 at 6:23 am
>>>>>>Gutterside RE
You are the same racist that your ancestors were, for your information. I am an Arabic Christian and I can see the black sheep calling themselves Christians. I dont identify myself with these imposters who call themselves Christian. Unlike you who is a fanatical Southern Baptist from Texas. You people have no respect for no White people, your ancestors killed Black people just like Arab Muslims. I think you are actually a KKK Cultist posing to be a Christian.
82. Hekina Says:
January 8th, 2009 at 7:09 am
FF67
With your deteriorated reasoning, you discover some foul smell in a set of people called Hindus. Where brain fails, then looks, sound and smell trigger in in lieu of reason. It is easy to cover that hindu stench up, just soak a piece of cloth in pig or beef lard and apply to your nose. The aroma would set a trail blaze right up to the christian heavens!

((….preferably a red dot on her forehead like the mark of the beast)

Forget others, you definately appear to need a beast mark. That sets you aside from the rest, while full of aroma that you are. If you flinch with red for the risk of attracting some raging bulls, try other colours of the spectrum.

And don’t turn Hindu, please. You are better off stewing in biblical juices.
83. proudkafir Says:
January 8th, 2009 at 8:23 am
The amount of foul words used is indirectly proportional to the level of intelligence! The lesser the intelligence, the more will be the amount of foul words posted here.
Be rational
Any amount of name calling and cursing will not make bible or qrand look good.People have been liquidated to silence them and still the stupidity of B& Q stand exposed.
Some people do smell and thats not just hindus.Some moslems and too many christians do smell.
I am tired now.Can some one else carry on?
Proud christian, i am always happy to argue with you as you make an effort to be decent and do not foul up the message board. You just said OKAY ad left it at that.I can interpret wany which way I like?
84. dami_anni Says:
January 8th, 2009 at 8:36 am
Hekina’
You don’t seem to get the picture. It was only after they saw Lord Jesus risen that they willingly gave their lives for the gospel. The Jewish people never expected a crucified Messiah.

There’s absolutely no historical evidence that Jesus’ body was removed by Mary Magdeline. How could she get past the guards? How was she able to move the heavy stone? How could she carry Jesus’ body with 100 lbs of spices wrapped around him? And you accuse me of nonsense?

As to your first statement; Jesus died for everyone. You don’t have to accept him as your Lord and Savior. It’s your choice, nobody can force you. But your belief (or lack of belief) does not affect the truth of the event in any way. The truth is always going to be the truth whether you believe it or not. Of course there’s always the possibility that you’re right and I’m wrong. But I came to my conclusions by evaluating the available historical evidence. How about yourself?

Rest all is cock and bull story spun by churches of various hues to rule the gullible.

Rule the gullible? At what price? Martyrdom? What sense does that make? You seem to forget (or not know) that Christianity was a persecuted religion the first 300 years of its existence. Also the most ancient literature attests that the disciples’ teachings were based on their firm conviction that they saw the resurrected Christ. You should get more educated on the subject before you go blowing off nonsense statements like that. I suggest you read The Case for the Resurrection of Jesus by Gary Habermas.
85. dami_anni Says:
January 8th, 2009 at 8:41 am
Goodnight. I Have to go to work in a few hours.

I hope I can continue tomorrow.
86. proudkafir Says:
January 8th, 2009 at 9:13 am
You keep assuming that your interpretation of the Bible is true. As I’ve already posted your interpretation is extremely unlikely. Yet you insist on maintaining your position regardless of how improbable it is. That’s not very honest from your part. It seems to me that you’re guilty of committing the same sin as the fundamentalist that you’re accusing.

I had no idea that I was capable of interpreting bible. I am blushing.Please.
Earth is spherical or almost spherical as far as I am concerned.Why do you expect me to be so stupid to say the earth is flat? in the present day and Age.i am neither a muslim nor a crusader to do that
just do this exercise. go to google.com type in these words.Bible flat earth and read for your self.
the type in qran absudities, bible absurdities and read on.beware.You will be on a slippery slope towards unbelief.Dont blame me I did not warn you!
87. BustedDivinity. Says:
January 8th, 2009 at 10:31 am
freedomfighter

Am really astounded here, you listened to your heart and reverted back to religion? no wonder you got back, THE HEART IS ONLY A BLOOD PUMPING ORGAN, statements like that speaks volumes about the writer, the bible also thought so, and it shouldn’t be because the lord should have known better, oh I forgot, it is the holy writers’ mistake, not god’s, as if the writers wrote someone else’s messages, well we know they are god’s ambassadors, they caused the split and created so many apostates due to god’s inability to correct his own book.

The Bible has many references to the heart, over 600 references. Mr. Vine comments on kardia, one noun translated heart, as follows: “The chief organ of physical life, ‘for the life of the flesh is in the blood,’ Lev. 17: 11, occupies the most important place in the human system. By an easy transition the word came to stand for man’s entire mental and moral activity, both the rational and the emotional elements” (Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words).

The Bible heart consists of four elements, if you will. The heart has emotion (Jn. 14: 1, Matt. 5: 28), will or volition (Ex. 35: 5), the intellect (Jn. 12: 40, Rom. 1: 21), and the conscience (Acts 2: 37). All four of these elements are essential. Man is to “obey from the heart that form of doctrine…” (Rom. 6: 17). Obedience from the heart involves will and emotion and obey “that form” or the truth requires the intellect to understand and determine the form of doctrine taught. When one is baptized (involved in the “form,” Rom. 6: 1-17), one is experiencing “the answer of a good conscience toward God” (I Pet. 3: 20, 21).

the brain does the thinking, it was widely believed that the heart was the center of all thoughts in the ancient times, this is why the quran always make reference to the heart when it talks about reasoning, we accepted their traditions ignorantly.I told you guys the christians here are ready for the next olympics, (mental gymnastics) and am sure they will get the gold, DESPITE SEVERAL REPETITIONS THAT AN ALMIGHTY GOD IS ALL KNOWING, PAST, PRESENT AND FUTURE, his book is for all people and all time, if the bible writers did not know about the classification of living things surely god did, he had the power to give them the correct vision so as to serve as a proper guide, but what we have as a holy book is a book fulll of inconsistencies together with scientific and historical errors, this is the same thinking that caused a saudi sheikh to maintain that the earth is not flat just recently, no matter the amount of apologetics, a holy book is a god book, so god decided to allow scam in his book so that people will get confused, REMEMBER HE IS OMNIPOTENT, am pretty sure if any of you christians wants to write a guide book about how children should cross a high traffic road, you would not want to include anything you are not sure of, this is to make sure no child gets hit, would you not? (rhetorically stated) but a holy book, a guide for mankind got his book replete with asininities as any mad man will write.

Yet when the muslims tells that you are not stating their verses accurately or reading out of context you persist without looking at your own conundrums, this is why I always say to be religious is to be completely deluded, am sure both the muslims and christian posters here know about the incongruity, it is only the paralytic fear that makes them discard reason.
88. BustedDivinity. Says:
January 8th, 2009 at 11:03 am
If we are to be really truthful, we will consider anything that has weakness in almost all aspects of it to be NOT THE REAL DEAL, the reason for this statement is the insistance from the apologists that time relativity in reference to knowledge caused the bible writers to mess up the whole book, instead of them to admit the obvious, that the book is man made, if this is so then the book should have died with the generatin that wrote it, any modern man that reads the holy books without coming across inconsistencies must be reading it not to understand a damn thing but just because he/she is required to do so, if the bible god could not allow his writers to get a single opinion on SALVATION then I really am short of words, oh I remember, as the apologists will say: the writers did not know much about the meaning of the word SALVATION very well then, aren’t you tired of that argument already???? the confusion:

Believe in Jesus and Be Baptized—– says mark

Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will condemned.”
(Mark 16:16).

Obey Commandments and Give All Money to the Poor: Luke says

The man asked him, “What must I do to inherit eternal life?”

You know the commandments: Do not commit adultery, do not murder, do not steal, do not give false testimony, honor your father and mother…Sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven.”
(Luke 18:18-22).

Paul have a different opinion.

Nothing you do will change your fate. God deliberately made men who would not be saved, no matter what they did.

He chose us …before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight… he predestined us
(Ephesians 1:4-6)

“I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.” It does not, therefore, depend on man’s desire or effort, but on God’s mercy.

For the Scripture says to Pharaoh: “I raised you up for this very purpose, that I might display my power in you and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth.” Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden.

One of you will say to me: “Then why does God still blame us? For who resists his will?” But who are you, O man, to talk back to God? “Shall what is formed say to him who formed it, ‘Why did you make me like this?’ ” Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for noble purposes and some for common use?
(Romans 9:13-21)

Now let’s see what Joseph Francis have to say:

“The fact that these three authors so blatantly contradict each other in the matter of salvation shows clearly that they could not have been recording the message of an all-powerful, all-knowing god, for such a god obviously would have had the power to prevent the writers from presenting to two millennia of Bible readers such a muddled, contradictory message.”
89. BustedDivinity. Says:
January 8th, 2009 at 11:21 am
The best argument any religionist can bring forth won’t come from scriptures, that is my opinion, the only thing the religionists can do apart from quoting meaningless verses is to appeal to emotion, that it is better to be on the side of religion just in case, than the other way round (read: Pascal wager) well this can be claimed by the adherents of any religion, am sure everybody agrees with me here.

Like the quotation about the salvation contradiction:

“If we cannot trust that the teachings of Mark, Luke, and Paul, come from God, why should anyone believe ANY part of the Bible comes from God?”..J.Francis

“There could be apologists who argue, of course, that mere mortals cannot know the mind of God, so when the mortal man sees what he thinks are contradictory teachings in the Bible, it is only because his mind is finite and incapable of reasoning on the level of the infinitely wise god. This is the type of apologetic argument that could be used to justify absolutely ANY religious teaching whatsoever, no matter how preposterous it may seem, for the apologist will always be able to escape criticism by alleging that his god’s ways are not for us to understand. Only when we get to heaven will it all be explained to us, they would argue.”…JFrancis

Hmmmm, I’ve heard from both muslims and christians,

BD(who understands how blind fear evaporates reason)

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90. BustedDivinity. Says:
January 8th, 2009 at 11:28 am
Hey, the saudi mullah maintains that the earth is flat not the other way round, typos, sorry about that, catch ya much later.
91. Vaisakhan Says:
January 8th, 2009 at 1:17 pm
Dami_anni,
Jesus Christ died for our sins!
How can one take away another man’s sins.
If you are hungry you have to eat yourself to satisfy your hunger.
My eating for you will not satisfy your hunger.
As simple as that.
FF67,
One who does not hurt another living being by his thought, word or action is a Hindu. There is no porsylitisatio in hinduism.
BTW, please visit website run by an Anglo-Saxon American
http://www.dharmacentral.com and know a bit of Hinduism, if you are so interested.
92. Hekina Says:
January 8th, 2009 at 1:28 pm
(But I came to my conclusions by evaluating the available historical evidence. How about yourself?)

Indeed, one must conclude from facts. The historical evidence is that Mary Magdelene was the last one at the crucifix and the first one to see the resurrection of JC. Also, considering that it took normally for a person on crucifix to die a slow death by bleeding for at least 48 hours (do some reading and check out this fact), clearly indicates that JC did not actually die at the cross. His dead body was never found. He was helped to escape from there most likely by his lover Mary beacuse twelve fools had already absconded. Then of course some cock and bull stories for consumption of you and your ilk which you continue to relish and stew in after several centuries.

(You seem to forget (or not know) that Christianity was a persecuted religion the first 300 years of its existence. )

That unfortunately drew more people towards it out of sympathy, otherwise it would have died a natural death for being complete garbage.

(Also the most ancient literature attests that the disciples’ teachings were based on their firm conviction that they saw the resurrected Christ. )

Clear factual basis that JC did not die at cross, he actually escaped with help and was later seen again with twelve fools.

(You should get more educated on the subject before you go blowing off nonsense statements like that. I suggest you read The Case for the Resurrection of Jesus by Gary Habermas.)

Indeed, more education of scientific nature will open your mind and learn to distinguish facts from fiction. You need it. Forget reading these opinions of others, draw your own conclusions based on facts, cutting the crap.
93. Hekina Says:
January 8th, 2009 at 1:50 pm
Dami_ammi
The above post is also for you. Now read on…

(Rule the gullible? At what price? Martyrdom? What sense does that make?)

It makes tremendous business and political sense when you have numbers with you, how can you be so naive as to not understand it. That is what Christianity has always been about, swell the numbers and weild power through them and papal bulls. Of course various splinter groups came into being for weilding their share of power in due course (where christianity failed as a monolith that it wanted to be).
94. proudchristian Says:
January 8th, 2009 at 3:03 pm
Proudkafir, the reason I said OKAY and left was that I find it impossible to change you viewpoint about the bible. Of course this is natural as the bible explicitly says no one comes to know God unless God himself chooses to reveal himself. Usually God reveals himself to the humble, the honest and the seeker. The good point with Christianity is that christianity is for “adults”. Those who rationally choose to follow Jesus Christ! Those who have weighed all circumstances. Almost all christians possess different bible translations therefore knows those “absurds”. There are a lot of people who were cyanics like yourself but later came to Jesus Christ, and one of them, Paul.

When you compare Christianity and other religions you discover sharp contrasts. Islam is a religion that survives through lies, fears, censorship of other religions, money, ignorance of its populace, dictatorship, and higher birth rates. On the contrary, christianity do not even literally consider children as christians until they are mature enough, well except among catholics. The most important is that by nature Christianity is not triumphalistic. Jesus himself said, If anyone considers him/herself healthy (in that sense sinless, rightious, strong, intelligent, rational) does not necessary need him. Or simply Jesus mission was not for people like Hekina, as Hekina asked “Did JC take my permission to die for me?” In fact Hekina at that time you were yet to be born, however JC explitly declared that he was not dying for people of your ego (Matthew 9:12).
95. BustedDivinity. Says:
January 8th, 2009 at 3:13 pm
Actually proudchristian doesn not even understand his holy book.
96. Hekina Says:
January 8th, 2009 at 4:19 pm
Proud Christian, for you:

(Christianity is that christianity is for “adults”. )

Actually, JC has reported to have said that his kingdom of god is for those who are like a child. Check your facts. So who is wrong, you or JC? Don’t get into twisted argements.

Your name says that you are proud (which is your self imposed identity). To be proud is first sign of ego. So naturally, by your logic, JC is not for you egoistic creatures with superiority complex. Good for you!

(The most important is that by nature Christianity is not triumphalistic.)

What were crusades all about? Was it that the hordes were going for a peaceful handshake miles away.

(Hekina asked “Did JC take my permission to die for me?” In fact Hekina at that time you were yet to be born)

You mean he took permission of all those who were his contemporaries to die for them so that he doesn’t encroach on anybody’s freedom unknowingly. Who knows, I might as well have been there. Like JC resurrected then, I might have resurrected now.
Are you actually nuts? Don’t you see your nutty arguements.
97. proudchristian Says:
January 8th, 2009 at 4:56 pm
“JC has reported to have said that his kingdom of god is for those who are like a child. Check your facts. So who is wrong, you or JC? Don’t get into twisted argements.”

My argument is not twisted. It is true that kingdom of God is for those who are like little children. First of all children will not read the verse Revelation 1:7: “Behold, he is coming with the clouds! Every eye shall see him and say this verse is not scientific and therefore cannot be from God. Secondly, almost all christian tenets require a humble, child-like heart to believe it. First believe you are sinful and you deserve physical and spiritual death, then recognize that God paid for your spiritual death, lastly come humbly before face of God admitting his love for you and therefore regretably beg repentance.

It is also true that christianity is for adults. Which child in literal sense can understand the meaning of sin, death, regret or forgive?
98. proudchristian Says:
January 8th, 2009 at 5:20 pm
“What were crusades all about?”

Show me where, when and how did Jesus Christ command crusades?

“You mean he took permission of all those who were his contemporaries to die for them so that he doesn’t encroach on anybody’s freedom unknowingly”

During his times there were those who recognized the meaning of death and regrettably repented before God and there were those who rejected and viewed it as non-sense. I meant if you were there during that time, probably you would have been in the latter group. I think the situation has not changed that much, even today.

Yes I am a nut. A nut for Christ!
99. Licence to flush Says:
January 8th, 2009 at 5:21 pm
Let’s assume Jesus isn’t God and he was sent by God to teach us how to live our life. Although ironically God could have perfected us when he was working in his production line to produce living creatures. But no, God chose not to do anything with killer like Hitler, bombers and terrorists, God GIVES his creations freewill to live the lives they want. God never wanted to INTERVENE in our business from day one he created earth and us. He knew about tsunami and earth quake when he created us. But he just won’t give a damn. God gave freewill to earth to trigger tsunami and earth quake to kill more innocent children. But God loves them. Yes the Bible says God loves them although God always watch from above when children are drowning helplessly in tsunami. Nope God won’t want to intervene to save them. But God loves them.

After 2000 years God regretted, he finally intervened by sending his son Jesus to tell us it is wrong to sin. Although back in God’s production line, he is STILL busying creating sinful people with freewill to kill, to bomb and to rape little girls. But God won’t want to do anything with it. God carries on with his works in making killer like Suicide Bombers. Of course God knows everything, he knows what he is doing, he knows he is creating bombers and terrorists. But he just won’t care. He prefers to send somebody like Jesus to correct his MISTAKES.

Please do not attack me by calling me childish and quoting nonsense here, because I adopted Christian’s logic to come out with such an astonishing commentary. If you think it is funny then you are not a Christian nor a Muslim and you don’t believe in Bible and Quran as well.
100. Licence to flush Says:
January 8th, 2009 at 6:53 pm
Hello people, please stop attacking Muslims, suicide bombers, Osama and terrorist. And also please stop insulting Quran and Islam. Because God gave freewill to Mohammad to invent Islam. Therefore it is not Mohammad’s fault to preach satanic scripture and spread his idea of killing innocent people in the Quran.

Nope, they are innocent. Do you think Mohammad will be created if God DIDN’T allow him to preach what he said in the Quran? Don’t forget God knows everything when God started creating Mohammad. He knew exactly the size of his balls. God knew how many little girls Mohammad will rape when he created him. But God allowed, maybe God was tired. Maybe God was over worked. Maybe God has too much creations to create that left him no time to really study the quality his creations. Maybe God loves to see how Mohammad would do with his freewill given by him.

Maybe God thought Jesus was a failure because he failed his mission after he was murdered brutally by the Roman. And after 600 years according to earth calendar, God thought he desperately needed another prophet to teach us how to rape little girl of age 9. That was why Mohammad came into picture.

Yes Jesus died for every sins that all of us did or going to commit in the near future. No wonder Hitler didn’t even give a second thought when he gassed 6 million of Jews in the gas chamber. Because he knew Jesus already washed his sin away, and he is freed to commit NEW sin.

Therefore people what are you waiting for, go and sin as you like. Because due to the death of Jesus. We have no sin at all, no judgment days and no hell. And if none of us have any sin then why the hell do we need the hell for ? There is nobody for God to punish with when none of us have any more sins.

Hell was invented by God BEFORE Jesus died for our sin. God NEVER thought Jesus will die for our sin, if he knew that he wouldn’t have to waste his time and effort to create something won’t last long. Besides why would God created Hell to punish us when he knew he will send Jesus to die for our sin. Seriously I have no idea why God thinks and behaves so strangely.

This is getting more and more interesting. Please use your FREEWILL and creativity to toy with the subject of …..Jesus died for our sin.
101. Licence to flush Says:
January 8th, 2009 at 7:16 pm
Believe in Jesus and Be Baptized—– says mark

Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will condemned.”
(Mark 16:16).

1st Interpretation : When God created the unbelievers, he knew exactly they won’t believe in him, and yet God created them so that God has the opportunity to condemn them. But God loves them.

2nd Interpretation : God is mean, he will not forgive anybody who do not believing in him although he could have been perfected them when he created them. But God chose to condemn them instead of making them to believe in him.

3rd Interpretation : God DOESN’T know how to make us believe in him in a nice and civilized manner instead of condemning those who don’t believing in him. God believes there is no other way to educate the unbelievers but to condemn them.

4th Interpretation : God COULDN’T make the unbelievers believing in him although God is all powerful. But God knows how to punish the unbelievers.

5th Interpretation : God gave freewill to unbelievers not to believe in him in the first place. But after that God regretted, that was why God condemned the unbelievers.

I hope I have successfully interpreted the Bible without any contradictions. But in case if some of you sense the contradictions then I believe they are NOT Christians nor Muslims. Because if you are a Christian or Muslim, you must believe in my interpretation whole heartedly without any sense of silliness.
102. Licence to flush Says:
January 8th, 2009 at 7:30 pm
Chronicles 16:30: “He has fixed the earth firm, immovable.”

Psalm 93:1: “Thou hast fixed the earth immovable and firm …”

Psalm 96:10: “He has fixed the earth firm, immovable …”

Psalm 104:5: “Thou didst fix the earth on its foundation so that it never can be shaken.”

Isaiah 45:18: “…who made the earth and fashioned it, and himself fixed it fast…”

Obviously our scientists lied to us that earth is rotating and revolving around the sun. According to the Bible earth is fixed. Yes I believe in the Bible. Shame on you Nasa, shame on you rational people, shame on you non believers. How could you people make such an obvious lie, we all know earth is fixed. Because the Bible says so, but scientist lied to us just to defame Christianity.

If you are a Christians and you don’t agree with what the Bible says about earth is fixed. Then you must believe that the Bible is corrupted. And if the Bible is corrupted, then how do you know which one is from God and which one is by the smart ass ?

Do you know that the safest way to do with a glass or milk contaminated with dog shiit is to drain it all and wash the glass thoroughly ? In this case if you think the Bible is corrupted, then you must throw away the Bible or flush it down the toilet or burn it. Cause you just can’t trust it anymore.
103. dami_anni Says:
January 8th, 2009 at 8:28 pm
Proudkafir
I did the exercise and guess what? In the first page there’s a 5:5 ratio for, and against the Bible teaching flat earth. Why don’t you follow your own advice and read on. But beware. You will be on a slippery slope towards belief. Don’t blame me I did not warn you!

Anyways all that’s irrelevant. Truth isn’t decided by a majority vote.

Like I already wrote; it’s obvious that the four corners of the earth is reference to the four cardinal directions: north, south, east, and west. And if you interpret imagery literature as if it were literal, you’ll end up with unjustified conclusions. Your methods to proselytize unbelief are not unlike the Muslim’s. You’re only fooling yourself.
104. dami_anni Says:
January 8th, 2009 at 9:02 pm
Vaisakhan
Jesus died as a substitute for us. 13Greater love has no one than this, that he lay down his life for his friends. [John 15:13 (NIV)] You seem to be using a wrong analogy. It’s more like Him paying your debt.
105. Marie Says:
January 8th, 2009 at 9:50 pm
If you are not a christian and you criticise bible, you must be a moslem and if you cirticise B & Q you must be an atheist! Typical braindead logic of christian?”

We never said those who criticize the Bible are all atheists, we are criticizing atheists who attack Christianity, while leaving Islam alone and in some cases promoting Islam.

Allahmiyam:

““Marie Who gave birth to Jesus without losing her virginity”

What is the point of this insult on my honor? By the way I am not Jesus’s mother.

dammi_anni

“Al l of the objections to the Bible posted so far are based on deceitful interpretations of the biblical text. The way I see it, the methods you guys are using are no different than the one employed by the Muslims. Cheat, lie, misinterpret… anything goes. I’ll leave you all with a quote from C.S. Lewis.

There is no need to be worried by facetious people who try to make the Christian hope of “Heaven” ridiculous by saying they do not want “to spend eternity playing harps.” The answer to such people is that if they cannot understand books written for grown-ups, they should not talk about them. All the scriptural imagery (harps, crowns, gold, etc.) is, of course, a merely symbolical attempt to express the inexpressible.
C.S. Lewis, Mere Christianity

Your statements are true for the most part, but I would not bother getting into a debate with these people since it is a waste of time.

proudkafir:

“You keep assuming that your interpretation of the Bible is true. As I’ve already posted your interpretation is extremely unlikely. Yet you insist on maintaining your position regardless of how improbable it is. That’s not very honest from your part. It seems to me that you’re guilty of committing the same sin as the fundamentalist that you’re accusing.

Dude you do the very samething as if you are some Bible scholar which you are not. Old testament is translated from old Hebrew and it uses the literary language of the Hebrews, which is filled with allegory and metaphorical language. My interpretation of the Biblical passages may not be true, but at least I admit that. Therefore you are guilty of committing the same sin as the two people you are accusing. But I don’t think you will admit to that and you will probably try to get into a debate with me because your ego is too big and you think you are always right.
106. dami_anni Says:
January 8th, 2009 at 11:13 pm
Hekina
Are you really serious about proposing the Swoon Theory?

The death of Jesus at is the best attested event in ancient history.

The New Testament reports the crucifixion.

ANCIENT CHRISTIAN SOURCES (extra-biblical)

Ignatius, bishop of Antioch, letter to the Trallians (110-115 AD):

“Jesus Christ who was of the race of David, who was the Son of Mary, who was truly born and ate and drank, was truly persecuted under Pontius Pilate, was truly crucified and died in the sight of those in heaven and on earth and those under the earth; who moreover was truly raised from the dead, His Father having raised Him, who in the like fashion will so raise us also who believe on Him.”

Ignatius, letter to the Magnesians (110-115 AD):

“Be ye fully persuaded concerning the birth and the passion and the resurrection, which took place in the time of the governorship of Pontius Pilate; for these things were truly and certainly done by Jesus Christ our hope.”

Justin Martyr, to Emperor Antoninus Pius about 150 AD:

“Accordingly, after He was crucified, even all His acquaintances forsook Him, having denied Him; and afterwards, when He had risen from the dead and appeared to them, and had taught them to read the prophecies in which all these things were foretold as coming to pass, and when they had seen Him ascending into heaven, and had believed, and had received power sent thence by Him upon them, and went to every race of men, they taught these things, and were called apostles.

ANCIENT NON-CHRISTIAN SOURCES confirm the cruxificion:

Cornelius Tacitus (55-120 AD):

“Consequently, to get rid of the report, Nero fastened the guilt and inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judaea, the first source of the evil…

Flavius Josephus (37-97 AD), court historian for Emperor Vespasian:

“At this time there was a wise man who was called Jesus. And his conduct was good and he was known to be virtuous. And many people from among the Jews and other nations became his disciples. Pilate condemned him to be crucified and to die. And those who had become his disciples did not abandon his discipleship. They reported that he had appeared to them three days after his crucifixion and that he was alive; accordingly, he was perhaps the messiah concerning whom the prophets have recounted wonders.” (Arabic translation)
Pliny the Younger, Roman governor of Bithynia in Asia Minor around 112 AD:
“[The Christians] were in the habit of meeting on a certain fixed day before it was light, when they sang in alternate verses a hymn to Christ, as to a god, and bound themselves by a solemn oath, not to any wicked deeds, but never to commit any fraud, theft or adultery, never to falsify their word, nor deny a trust when they should be called upon to deliver it up; after which it was their custom to separate, and then reassemble to partake of food–but food of an ordinary and innocent kind.”

The Jewish Talmud, compiled between 70 and 200 AD:

“On the eve of the Passover Yeshu was hanged. For forty days before the execution took place, a herald went forth and cried, ‘He is going forth to be stoned because he has practised sorcery and enticed Israel to apostacy.

Lucian, a second century Greek satirist:

“The Christians, you know, worship a man to this day–the distinguished personage who introduced their novel rites, and was crucified on that account. … You see, these misguided creatures start with the general conviction that they are immortal for all time, which explains the contempt of death and voluntary self-devotion which are so common among them; and then it was impressed on them by their original lawgiver that they are all brothers, from the moment that they are converted, and deny the gods of Greece, and worship the crucified sage, and live after his laws. All this they take quite on faith, with the result that they despise all worldly goods alike, regarding them merely as common property.”
Lucian also reported that the Christians had “sacred writings” which were frequently read.

Mara Bar-Serapion, of Syria, writing between 70 and 200 AD from prison to motivate his son to emulate wise teachers of the past:

“What advantage did the Athenians gain from putting Socrates to death? Famine and plague came upon them as a judgment for their crime. What advantage did the men of Samos gain from burying Pythagoras? In a moment their land was covered with sand. What advantage did the Jews gain from executing their wise king? It was just after that that their kingdom was abolished. God justly avenged these three wise men…

Hekina (2009)

No, Jesus never died on the cross! Everybody was deceived! The disciples lied! Then they all willingly died for a lie. Allah tricked everybody! I’m right! Everyone else is wrong!!!
107. silenzer Says:
January 9th, 2009 at 12:43 am
Riverside, here is the reply from my side

In the Bhagavad Gita, Ch.18, verse 40 the Lord says:
“There is no being on earth, or again in heaven among the
gods, that is liberated from the three qualities born of Nature.” —-WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS VERSE? As per nature, three modes exist. They are goodness, passion, and ignorance. Every living entity is affected by these qualities born of nature. Sometimes one thinks rationally but at other times he/she may behave like an idiot. When senses engage themselves in the modes of nature, we see aberration in behaviour. Until one attains liberation, one is bound by the modes of material nature. Did ya get the point?

Gita Ch. 18, V.41:
“Of Brahmanas, Kshtriyas and Vaishyas, as also the Sudras,
O Arjuna, the duties are distributed according to the qualities
born of their own nature.”—- This verse doesn’t say your varna is based on your birth. There is another verse in Mahabharath; I shall quote it here “na janmena bhavati varnah parantu karmena”–meaning YOUR BIRTH DOESN’T PUT YOU INTO ANY VARNA BUT YOUR KARMA. The author of Bhagavad gita (Krishna) himself was a cowherd boy, who later on preaches a warrior about the duties. Chanakya, the greatest author on Finance, was a barber by birth. Agasthya, one of the foremost sages, was born in a Potter’s family. Valmiki, the author of Ramayan (which is the most famous book of Hindus), was a hunter who even killed people to grab wealth. Once when he was hunting he came across a great sage. When Valmiki was about to strike the sage the latter asks him “you are committing sin. Before you rob and kill people, will you take a moment and ask your wife and children if they are willing to take a part of your bad karma”. The hunter was quite positive and told the sage that they would. Asked by the sage to get it confirmed from his wife and children, the hunter rushed home and asked the same question. However, the hunter’s wife said the bad karma of the hunter belongs only to him and not to her or her children. The hunter fell at the feet of the sage and on latter’s advice meditated for ages. Upon self-realisation, he became a yogi and authored Ramayan. You see what I quoting is a tip of iceberg from the vast ocean of Indian history. Take your time to read, interpret, and understand things. Self-realisation is a slow process and yet it is not difficult.

Good luck
108. Licence to flush Says:
January 9th, 2009 at 2:34 am
Well the most interesting part about Christianity is not whether Jesus died on the cross or escaped like David Copperfield did in his magic show. It is how the Christians unnoticeably believe that it is feasible to kill the creator whom they believe are responsible for our existence. How fascinating.

When the Roman trying to kill or successfully killed Jesus Christ. God the creator allowed that to happen. There wasn’t a direct punishment at all to the entire Roman like what he did to Aceh in the tsunami and Pakistan in the earth quake. God allowed us to kill his son. We can prove that and we know it is true. But whether God will punish the same group of people who attempted to kill his son or not, we wouldn’t know. Christians may argue that God sent them to hell later. But the most interesting question is …

why God didn’t stop them from trying to kill his son but chose to punish them later ?

If you are a cop and you know that a group of criminals are going to torture and nail your son to a cross. What would you do ?

A : Quickly stop the criminal and save your son BEFORE they kill your son
B : Wait until they have killed your son on the cross and then only you start to arrest them and put them in jail ?

Which one do you think is a choice of wisdom ? If you chose A then you are smarter than God. And you will be categorized as Atheist. But many Christians and Muslims will hate you as a non believer. And the Bible said God will condemn you if you chose A. But you are mentally healthy person, you know that it is utterly stupid to chose B. Maybe Mary and the rest of Christians will chose B cause they are true Christians…..maybe.
109. Licence to flush Says:
January 9th, 2009 at 3:23 am
Christians and Muslims are in the same folder of God’s desktop which labeled as TIG. It stands for The Incorrigible Gullible. Please do not disagree with me first before you read what I am going to say here.

You see if Christians and Muslims don’t like the way the nonbelievers attacking them at the Bible and Quran, they should ask themselves the following questions over and over again ;

1. Why would a divine book downloaded from heaven contains errors, contradictions, violence and most of the time it sounds too silly and funny ? If you are God and you said something to your creations, would you say things that you knew they will laugh at you ? Will you say things that sounds silly ? Will you contradict your statement in your own book ? Will you say things that they will prove you wrong when they know more ? Remember this you said you know everything and you can do EVERYTHING. Therefore I presume it is possible for you to avoid saying things that make the unbeliever laugh. It is also impossible for you to teach any sense of violence in your book if you don’t want to call you cruel deity.

2. Why would God never show up whenever the believers or non believers need him badly like during the tsunami and earth quake? All God had to do to make us believe in him is to reach his hand out of the cloud and grap the two planes before they hit the towers. He also had to carefully select the terrorist out of all the passengers in the plane and throw them to hell which he already well prepared when he started his career as a creator. Well no sign of God whenever we need him. Maybe Marie and the new convert in the churches will feel his presence, but not the victims of tsunami and earth quake. Nope not even once. Maybe God loves to show the new converts how real he is BUT doesn’t give a damn about little kids who are drowning or burning to death.

3. Why would God gave us freewill to sin in the first place and punish us later? When little people like me understand the best way to solve all the problems in the world is to STOP making sinful people. But not God. God doesn’t know this yet. Maybe God should talk to me often. Yes I am generous, I am more than willing to share with God my fantastic idea of how to create a better person without sin at all. I will tell God that it is VERY STUPID to give freewill to killer to kill innocent people and punish them later in hell. I will certainly warn God not to waste time sending anybody to teach us to believe in him when he could create us to believe in him in the first place. In fact all the 3 postmen sent by God cause more sufferings to mankind than doing any good at all.

4. This one is exclusively for Christians and Catholics. Why would God sent his son to die for us when he could stop all the trouble by making non sinful people ? If God gave us freewill to sin then why would he bother to save us later ? Doesn’t make sense at all, it makes God looks stupid. Maybe Christians should stop preaching around to avoid more smart people attacking them.

5. Why blame anybody from attacking the Bible and Quran when these books are so silly and utterly stupid ? Don’t you think it is God’s duty to make the Bible or Quran perfect ? Don’t you think God should mind his own words when he whispered gaily in his postmen’s ears ? If only Bible and Quran don’t contain any sorts of errors and contradictions and the believers always capable to answer questions accurately and rationally, then they have the right to ask the non believers not to attack them. Other than that, please don’t stop anybody from attacking nonsense followers.
110. Hekina Says:
January 9th, 2009 at 4:47 am
Dami_anni
For you..
(No, Jesus never died on the cross! )

Indeed. You only have to look at facts which are available and I also mentioned in my previous quote (JC’s lover Mary who was last with him and first to saw resurrection). Analysis of facts follow from there. If you choose not to see the facts and quote amply from others (none of who were eye-witnesses but mere sympathisers of christianity), it is up to your common sense and blind belief.

(Everybody was deceived! The disciples lied! Then they all willingly died for a lie. Allah tricked everybody! I’m right! Everyone else is wrong!!!)

This is typical garbled christian raving. Your words and your rantings, carry no significance at all.
111. Hekina Says:
January 9th, 2009 at 4:50 am
Proud christian for you…
(Yes I am a nut. A nut for Christ!)

Exactly. That is whole point about you and your ilk that you are nuts and incapable to view things objectively, just like your islamic brethren. Thank you for admitting (at least you are honest about it).
112. proudkafir Says:
January 9th, 2009 at 6:56 am
hey guys
Stop this chaos.I am the GOD and I am telling you all. JC is same as DC ( david copperfield)
Mohammad is the same os OBL( osma Bin Lunde)
Bible is same as qrand.
Moslems same as christians. Mohammad went on a trip on one winged horse to ends of earth and heaven.
jesus touched water and turned it in to wine.Thats what mallya is still giving people to drink all over the world.
Iam the God remember.Follow my advise and be good.All of you will get 6 year old girls to play around with and dont worry boys as well.Dont you dare suggest I am pimp.Iam God .Allahlord is my name chodepilla is my rasool.exciting’s daughter aged 6 is my best wife and I am the lord of this world
113. dami_anni Says:
January 9th, 2009 at 10:44 am
Hekina
The only one blind to the facts is you. The disciples were eye witness. You chose to ignore them because they go against your own presuppositions. But your unbelief doesn’t determine the truth. It’s still going to be truth whether you believe it or not.

What I’m quoting are ancient documents that qualified professional historians consider valid for determining the veracity of historical events. They’re not valid to you because they refute your own prejudiced beliefs. Again, your opinions are just that, opinions. You have a right to them, but unless they conform to reality they’re not truth.

(JC’s lover Mary who was last with him and first to saw resurrection)

Making up lovers for Jesus Christ only proves your own delusional state.

“typical garbled christian raving”

No my friend. Just listen to yourself.
114. BustedDivinity. Says:
January 9th, 2009 at 11:25 am
Licence to flush BRAVO.

How I wish the dimwits will read your posts and the ones from proudkafir over and over again, you guys really make me look at these holy lovers as little frightened children, keep it coming.

BD(who thinks allah is a very poor pimp to have little girls on the offer)
115. Licence to flush Says:
January 9th, 2009 at 2:47 pm
Thank you BustedDivinity, although you are a non believer but you are doing just as good as the rest of the Atheist here. If only you could spend more of your valuable time to read the Bible carefully and TRY to understand why Earth is fixed according to what it says. I am sure one day you will join Marie and proudchristians to pray in the church. Please don’t believe in the scientific discoveries. I fully agree with Christians and Muslims that scientific discoveries will make you stray away from your belief. Please don’t do that. Try to understand why Sun sets in murky water. If you think the Quran is just too much for you to believe, then …

Please try the Bible. According to Bible …. Luke 19:27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.

Can you sense the mercifulness in the Bible now ? Can you ? I am sure if you read it many times you will feel the love especially the Old Testaments.

As a professional Quran and Bible flushing consultant, I am only trying to please my Christian and Muslim customers. I never have any thought to attack them nor would I intend to offend my customers. It will be too silly for me to do that. Everything I do, I do it for their best interests. I try very hard to communicate with them in their unique and special way of so-called logical thinking. I hope the Christians and Muslims will appreciate the way I help them to interpret their scriptures. I hope my contributions to their belief will please them just they way they always hope for.

Before I go, I hope you can understand that Allah created Israelis to wage war against the Palestinians. Allah knew exactly what the Jews will do with the Muslims in Gaza whom specifically live the way according to his prescriptions in the Quran. And yet Allah allows that to happen. Yes it is Allah’s will to let the Jews slaughter the Muslims in Gaza. I hope you can understand that and convert yourself to Islam. Please do it now before the Islamic heaven is too crowded with suicide bombers. And also please tell the truth to the Muslims that it is Allah’s will to let the Jews kill their Muslims brothers and sisters, therefore there is not need for them to protest against the war in Gaza. If only Muslims understand by protesting against Israelis war in Gaza is to protest against Allah’s will, they will surely stop that. What do you think ?
116. Licence to flush Says:
January 9th, 2009 at 3:29 pm
I am sure many you must have heard Christians and Muslims explaining patiently about God’s plan. If you haven’t or forgot about that. Please allow me to have the honor to refresh your memory about such a remarkable explanation on God’s plan.

Before I start, I hope the Christians and Muslims will spare with me in case I offended them. I am sorry and I don’t mean that ok ? Just remember this I am on your side and everything I quote here is completely base on your own logic. Therefore I really don’t see any reasons why any of you will be offended by my good gesture in helping God to interpret his scriptures in a very easy manner for the unbelievers to understand. Who knows maybe Atheist will come to God after reading my view points. Let’s hope for that ok ?

Yes if you witnessed terrorist killing 3000 New Yorkers by hijacked planes to clash them on the twin towers on September 11, it was a sign of God’s plan. Because nobody knew about it, including the CIA and the FBI. And even if they do, they couldn’t know the plots just as much as God. God knew about the attack but God just kept silence.

Yes God already prophesized the incident of 9/11 2000 years ago in the Bible. I must salute God’s prophecies although deep down inside, when I am alone all by myself. I just can’t help myself from asking why God didn’t stop the tragic of 9/11 from happening when he had so much time to do that. But instead he chose to hint us in the Bible, if only God made his prophecies more vivid and easy for ordinary human beings like us to understand without any sense of contradictions for us to attack and argue, 3000 lives will be saved. And American didn’t even have to bother to kill more innocents in Afghanistan and maybe Iraq later.

I am sorry, in my opinion, I think God is responsible for the attack. Why ? Because he was the one who created Twin Towers, 3000 New Yorkers, terrorists and the Jet Planes. God said he created everything don’t you remember that ? He had every reasons to stop the disaster but he chose to keep silence. Maybe God wasn’t sure whether the terrorist will commit such a terrible attack ? Maybe God thought it is not his duty to save us although he promised that ? Maybe God was pulling our legs when he said he will save us and he is the most merciful in the Bible and Quran ?

Anyway we know it is God’s plan to make 9/11 happen in New York several years ago. Therefore none of us should condemn the attack because by doing so they are attacking God’s plan. Please let God decides what is best for us and how to fucck us up in the more coming years ok ? Do not argue with God about why he created monster like Mohammad. Because it is another God’s plan too. Do you see it now ? Did God make his words clear for all of us to understand now ? Do you know God’s plan now ?
117. BustedDivinity. Says:
January 9th, 2009 at 5:26 pm
Well License to flush I think I will convert to christianity since muslims could not explain to me how the sun ended up in a murky pond, forget the multiple contradictory stories about resurrection, the bible version where you find those contradictions is the atheists standard version(ASV) the other salvation contradictions where Paul and Luke got different ways to go to heaven is appealing to me as I am sure a single omnipotent god could not have told two of his scribes different independent ways to get to his heaven, this allows me the freedom of being a christian without believing in the word of god.

I don’t like the other version of salvation from mark, according to him getting to heaven is too easy (once you get baptized) I dont want to be in heaven with baptized serial killers.
118. Licence to flush Says:
January 9th, 2009 at 6:19 pm
Hello BD I am glad you have finally come to God. I guess my effort wasn’t wasted after all. By now Christians and Muslims must thank me or at least kiss my ass to show their appreciations towards my hard work in bringing more people like you to the delusion of God. Just kiss my ass but don’t bite ok ?

By the way if you find any contradictions in the Bible regarding how to get to heaven in multiple different ways. Please don’t take it too seriously. Can’t you see what happened to Jesus when he took God’s word too seriously ? Don’t you remember how Jesus was MURDERED by the Roman ? Do you want to end up like Jesus hanging on a Cross like a clock hanging on a wall ?

Can’t you see Marie and proudchristians don’t really take God’s word seriously. Cause if they do they wouldn’t come here to criticize Islam and Mohammad when these are only God’s plan. Maybe they don’t really understand God’s plan yet. When they do they will quit here.

Although you have decided to become Christians, but as usual it is a standard procedure for God to check your IQ before he accepts you as his SLAVE.

To complete your application and full transformation to become a true Christians like Marie and proudchristian, you must answer 1 question as below;

If you are a cop and you know that a group of criminals are going to torture and nail your son to a cross. What would you do ?

A : Quickly stop the criminal and save your son BEFORE they kill your son
B : WAIT until they have killed your son on the cross and then only you start to arrest them and put them in jail ?

Please send in your answer by saying it in your prayer tonight before 12 midnight attention to God or Jesus. Please don’t do it after 12, cause God will be having “good time” with Adam. If you know what I am talking about.

Tips for the day BD, please don’t chose A because by doing so you are smarter than God and …. I don’t think God will like it very much. Try B although it sounds crazy, but at least you get to enjoy the forbidden fruits once you get to heaven. Trust me, for your own sake ok ?
119. dami_anni Says:
January 9th, 2009 at 11:16 pm
Hekina

Premis #1: Mary Magdelene was the last one at the crucifix.
Premis #2: Mary Magdelene was the first one to see the resurrection.
Conclusion: Mary Magdelene was Jesus’s lover an she helped him escape.

If that’s an example of your superior reasoning skills you need to get some help. Try going to kindergarden.
120. dami_anni Says:
January 9th, 2009 at 11:19 pm
Licence to flush

All that nonsense you’re spitting is making me want to throw up. Your arguments have all kinds of logical fallacies. Which prove that: 1. you’re not as smart as you want people to believe you are, 2. you’re a dishonest person, or 3. both.

You start off by Poisoning the Well, trying to make God look bad by talking about “tsunamis and earthquakes”. Making comments that are irrelevant to the subject, “David Copperfield”. Completely misrepresenting the Christian Faith (Straw Man). Then you load the question; why God didn’t stop them from trying to kill his son but chose to punish them later? Afterward you present a false analogy about a cop (God is not a cop, He isn’t even human). And you finish off by burning the strawman with two stupid answers that don’t even come close to the Christian response.

And there you have it folks Licence to flush has just refuted 2000 years of Christianity. Don’t you feel so smart?

The problem is that asking questions and providing false answers doesn’t really not refuting anything. All you’re doing is letting everyone know how limited your intellectual capabilities are.

This is the Christian response to your ignorant question.

Man is sinful. Sin separates man from God. God loves us and sent his Son to die so that those who believe can get reconciled with Him.

See how simple? Even your cheerleader should understand that.
121. dami_anni Says:
January 10th, 2009 at 1:20 am
Licence to flush

Answer to stupid questions from a Christian perspective.

1.Why would a divine book downloaded from heaven contains errors, contradictions, violence and most of the time it sounds too silly and funny ?

Non Believers are always ranting about the bible containing errors and contradictions. Most of the time they don’t even bother to check for themselves to see if it’s true. Not that they really care. As long as it conforms to their worldview. To hell with truth! I’ll bet you never even bothered to check out the Christian response to the alleged contradictions. There are several books that deal with the subject like Gleason Archer’s Encyclopedia of Bible Difficulties, and Norman Geisler with Thomas Howe, When critics ask. But you don’t really care do you. You’ll just jump on the bandwagon with the rest of the ignorant people.

The Bible talks about historic events. And the history of humanity has violence.

Maybe it sounds silly and funny to people that are silly and funny.

2.Why would God never show up whenever the believers or non believers need him badly like during the tsunami and earth quake?

Isaiah 55:8-9 (NIV) “For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways,” declares the LORD. 9 “As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts.

Who are you to judge the Supreme Judge? God keeps his Own counsel. How can a pathetic little human like you expect to tell God what to do. Get over yourself.

3.Why would God gave us freewill to sin in the first place and punish us later? When little people like me understand the best way to solve all the problems in the world is to STOP making sinful people

There you go again with the god complex. If we didn’t have free will we wouldn’t be humans. And you would be forced to worship the God you hate so much against your will. I guess little people like you don’t understand at all.

4.This one is exclusively for Christians and Catholics. Why would God sent his son to die for us when he could stop all the trouble by making non sinful people ? If God gave us freewill to sin then why would he bother to save us later ? Doesn’t make sense at all, it makes God looks stupid. Maybe Christians should stop preaching around to avoid more smart people attacking them.

You’re the one that that don’t make sense with all those ridiculous questions. God loves his creatures, and through Jesus Christ he gave us the opportunity to repent. Self proclaimed smart people are only smart in their own eyes. (Oh, and in their cheerleaders’).

5.Why blame anybody from attacking the Bible and Quran when these books are so silly and utterly stupid ?

That’s a matter of perspective. Most people think that people who attack the Bible are silly and utterly stupid (myself included). And since I’ve shown that all your petty objections are substanceless, we’re right.
122. dami_anni Says:
January 10th, 2009 at 2:01 am
Licence to flush

Answer to stupid questions from a Christian perspective pt 2.

Since you’re blowing so much hot air about scientific discoveries. Why don’t you give an example of one that contradicts the Bible WHEN INTERPRETED CORRECTLY?

Luke 19:20. You’re quoting from a parable. It represents Gods’ judgment on evildoers. His mercifulness is in that He gave His unique Son so that whoever believes in him can avoid judgment.

As a professional Quran and Bible flushing consultant, you must have flushed your brain along with them. And your so-called logical thinking are really logical fallacies.

Your comment on 911 is a fine example of your… I guess I’ll say questionable reasoning skills. It’s hard not to mock you when you set yourself up so well. But hey, you say you’re the smart one.
123. dami_anni Says:
January 10th, 2009 at 2:20 am
BustedDivinity.

Hey BustedCheerleader, I bet you’ll look great in a miniskirt and 2 pom poms. Anyways why don’t you specify what are the multiple contradictory stories about resurrection? And what are those other salvation contradictions? People with mental incapacities should read their Bibles together with a good Bible Commentary. That goes for you too Flush.
124. dami_anni Says:
January 10th, 2009 at 3:12 am
Licence to flush Says:

Believe in Jesus and Be Baptized—– says mark

Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will condemned.” (Mark 16:16).

Then as usual he proceeds to give five stupid answers.

How about; whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will condemned.” How hard to understand is that?
125. Licence to flush Says:
January 10th, 2009 at 3:29 am
Hello dami anni,

Thanks you for all your insults. We will find out who is stupid and who is more contradictory ok ? But I hope you are not a Muslim disguise as Christians to defame Christianity here. Cause it is not fair to Jesus. Therefore you must think carefully before you start writing ok ? Promise ? Are you ready to know who is more stupid now ?

1. Why tsunami and earth quake is irreverent to the subject ? If God is real then everything is relevant. Are you saying God is not real therefore he is not responsible for earth quake ? Remember this God says he knows everything, so did God know about tsunami when God created earth ?

Please do not avoid current affairs. Why are you so afraid of it ? Why you chose to believe in the stories of the Bible when you can’t even prove at all. But we all know tsunami and earth quake is true and real.

Again I hope you will gain your consciousness sooner, please do not sleep and write at the same time. You will make your statement very confusing. Unless you are a Muslim disguise as Christians to defame God delusion.

NOW TELL ME WHERE WERE GOD AND JESUS during tsunami and earth quake? Why didn’t they stop the disasters if they are real and poses super power like what is said in the Bible? This is a simple questions even little kids can answer, BUT CAN YOU ?
126. Licence to flush Says:
January 10th, 2009 at 3:57 am
Hello dami anni,

I asked “why God didn’t stop them from trying to kill his son but chose to punish them later?”

You answered ” Afterward you present a false analogy about a cop (God is not a cop, He isn’t even human). And you finish off by burning the strawman with two stupid answers that don’t even come close to the Christian response. ”

Of course I know Cop is no God. But even a Cop does understand what to do better than God. Don’t you feel shame on behalf of God. Don’t you think God is far more stupid than a normal ordinary cop ? Can you see who is lying here now , You or God ?

Now dami anni, what do you chose, A or B ir you chose A then you are smarter than God and God should worship you and follow your guidance. But in case if you chose B……… then I really don’t know what to you about your metal status, but … I think more and more people will understand who you are and they will chose to follow us. So please be careful with what you write here. Do you want others to laugh at you like we are laughing at the Bible and Quran ? Do you ?

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You continued to answered “Man is sinful. Sin separates man from God. God loves us and sent his Son to die so that those who believe can get reconciled with Him.”

Maybe you haven’t read my questions careful enough, maybe you don’t understand what logic means. Why man is sinful if God can create Man without sinful ? See how simple? Even little kids should understand that.

Did God know man is sinful when God NEWLY created man ? Yes or No ? See how simple? Even little kids should understand that.

If Yes then God should be blamed. It is God’s plan to make us sinful. And that makes God stupid and evil. If you are God will you do such a stupid things ? Will you do double work by purposely making sinful man and then send your own son to die for our sin ? If you don’t then you are smarter than God again. See how simple? Even little kids should understand that.

Again you haven’t answered my question yet ? If Jesus died for our sin ? then do we have any sin now ? If we don’t have any sin then why was Hitler killing 6 million of Jews ? Please don’t tell me God gave freewill to Hitler to kill, that will make God a killer not Hitler ok ? See how simple? Even little kids should understand that.

If God loves us and sent his Son to die so that those who believe can get reconciled with Him. We all know that his son has done his mission to die. But did we reconcile with God now ? How come not yet ? Are you saying God failed his own mission ? See how simple? Even little kids should understand that.

God loves us ? God sent his son to die for us BUT God didn’t show up during 9/11, tsunami and earth quake ? God was sick ? God forgot about the incident ? God was on holiday ? God was honeymooned with Adam ? See how simple? Even little kids should understand that.

Please don’t avoid these questions. Be brave, can’t you see there is no different between you and Muslims. Both species chose to ignore facts but prefer to live in fantasies. If you asked Muslims did Allah create Bush to kill Muslims ? I am sure Muslims will answer stupidly just like you. See how simple? Even little kids should understand that.

CONCLUSION : Did you answer my question ? NO , in fact you created more questions to contradict your own explanation. Please read again. Remember this there are more readers here. If you don’t want them to laugh at you, please grow up and think logically. I have a feeling that you are actually a little girl who has Barbie dolls and milk bottle all over your bed. Maybe you should grow up ok ? Just for the sake of FFI and everybody who laugh at you ok ? Please.
127. dami_anni Says:
January 10th, 2009 at 3:57 am
Licence to flush Says:

Chronicles 16:30: “He has fixed the earth firm, immovable.”
Psalm 93:1: “Thou hast fixed the earth immovable and firm …”
Psalm 96:10: “He has fixed the earth firm, immovable …”
Psalm 104:5: “Thou didst fix the earth on its foundation so that it never can be shaken.”

Typical, to quote out of context. If you would’ve taken the time to actually read the verses you’d notice those are figures of speech. Not intended to be taken literally.

Isaiah 45:18: “…who made the earth and fashioned it, and himself fixed it fast…”

Isaiah 45:18 (NIV) 18 For this is what the LORD says— he who created the heavens, he is God; he who fashioned and made the earth, he founded it; he did not create it to be empty, but formed it to be inhabited—he says: “I am the LORD, and there is no other.

What make believe Bible version are you using?

As I keep on proving the only one doing the lying is you. Now if you’re right, and the christians are wrong, Why do you have to use such deceiving methods to prove that your right? Unflush your brain for a couple of seconds.
128. Hekina Says:
January 10th, 2009 at 4:07 am
To Dami_anni

(Premis #1: Mary Magdelene was the last one at the crucifix.
Premis #2: Mary Magdelene was the first one to see the resurrection.
Conclusion: Mary Magdelene was Jesus’s lover an she helped him escape.)

From premise 1 & 2, the conclusion is that JC escaped with help. Premise 3 is his dead body was not found, which further strengthens this conclusion.

Mary was JC’s lover is depicted at many places, you only have to read more.

It is not a bad idea for you to begin from Kindergarden again. Some grey cells in you will get titillated.
129. Licence to flush Says:
January 10th, 2009 at 4:33 am
dami anni

I asked “Why would a divine book downloaded from heaven contains errors, contradictions, violence and most of the time it sounds too silly and funny ?”
You answered “Non Believers are always ranting about the bible containing errors and contradictions. Most of the time they don’t even bother to check for themselves to see if it’s true. Not that they really care. As long as it conforms to their worldview. To hell with truth! I’ll bet you never even bothered to check out the Christian response to the alleged contradictions. There are several books that deal with the subject like Gleason Archer’s Encyclopedia of Bible Difficulties, and Norman Geisler with Thomas Howe, When critics ask. But you don’t really care do you. You’ll just jump on the bandwagon with the rest of the ignorant people.”

Let’s see if you really check your Bible well enough ok ?

The Bible says earth is fixed NOT rotating nor revolving around the sun

1 Chronicles 16:30: “He has fixed the earth firm, immovable.”

Psalm 93:1: “Thou hast fixed the earth immovable and firm …”

Psalm 96:10: “He has fixed the earth firm, immovable …”

Psalm 104:5: “Thou didst fix the earth on its foundation so that it never can be shaken.”

Isaiah 45:18: “…who made the earth and fashioned it, and himself fixed it fast…”
Do we have to argue anymore ? Do you really need to continue to argue that Earth is fixed ? I am sure if you go to Middle East and tell Muslims that earth is spherical they will argue with you that it is flat. Now look at your ownself now. Are you going to behave as stupid as Muslims ? Or you are actually one of them ?

Conclusion : It is clear that you don’t read your Bible well. You are absolutely similar to Marie and Muslims who love to ignore facts and logic. Maybe you don’t even know earth is rotating and revolving around the Sun. Maybe you are just a little girl yet. But anyway it is good to have you here to help us prove to others Christians that Christianity is silly, stupid and nonsense. I am sure many Christians out there are beginning to flush their Bible in the toilet by now after reading your so-called explanations.

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You explained “The Bible talks about historic events. ”

If the Bible is from God and God is real then the Bible MUST BE 100% accurate, 100% love, 0% violence, 0% stupidity. Do you understand. But over and over again we read the violence, nonsense and contradictions and lies from the Bible and Quran. And yet you people believe in it blindly. You guys are so sick that even dare to call it truth ? How funny it is, the Bible and Quran are not even close to half truth.

Whether the historic events in the Bible were true or made up by liars. You can’t prove to us. But we know the current events such as 9/11, tsunami and earth quake are real. Don’t you think these are more than enough to prove the Bible and Quran are stupid books and contains lies and errors ? How long do you need to live with darkness when you know brightness is there out of your cave ?

Do you really enjoy being fooled ? Do you like to be deluded ? Is it fun to live with lies ? Don’t you shy when we prove you are stupid and wrong about your “logic” ? Are you really proud of a bunch of lies from the Bible ?

When 9/11 did you close your eyes watching from the TV when the buildings were collapsing ? Did you pray to God asking him why it happens when he is real and he created everything ? What do you want me to say about brainless people like you ? But…. you call yourself wise and smart. What a great joke

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You said “And the history of humanity has violence.”

Why history of humanity has violence if God is real and he created us ? If God gave them freewill to act violently then it is God’s fault. Do you see how you avoid my questions stupidly ?

Maybe we shouldn’t blame you, cause you are a Christians. And it is norm for Christians and Muslims not to use their brains. You people speak like parrots and behave like liars. You use taqiya such as God loves us to lure new converts. But when I ask you to prove God loves us by showing them Hitler killed 6 million of Jews, You will avoid my questions by blaming it on the freewill of Hitler. But do you know that if it is true that God gave freewill to Hitler to sin than it is God’s problem not Hitler ? Can you see the logic now ? Do you see how silly you contradict yourself here ? Do you really want to make Christianity looks bad here ?

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You said “Maybe it sounds silly and funny to people that are silly and funny.”

Let’s see how true is this.

Do you think it is funny for God to send himself to let his own creations to kill him by nailing his ass to a cross ? Remember this the Bible says Jesus is God.

If you think this statement sounds silly and funny then you are silly and funny to believe Jesus is God. lol

Conclusion : You are silly and funny to believe in Bible. Because you are an incorrigible idiots
130. dami_anni Says:
January 10th, 2009 at 4:42 am
Answer to stupid questions from a Christian perspective. Pt 3
Licence to flush

Why man is sinful if God can create Man without sinful ?

When God created man he created him with the ability to choose. Man became sinful when he chose to disobey God.

Jesus died for our sin ? then do we have any sin now ?

No. Only those who believe.

John 3:16 (NIV) 16″For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that WHOEVER BELIEVES IN HIM shall not perish but have eternal life.

If God loves us and sent his Son to die so that those who believe can get reconciled with Him. We all know that his son has done his mission to die. But did we reconcile with God now ? How come not yet ? Are you saying God failed his own mission ?

True believers are reconciled with God now. Your questions don’t make any sense. What do you mean not yet? The only one failing here is you.

God loves us ? God sent his son to die for us BUT God didn’t show up during 9/11, tsunami and earth quake ? God was sick ? God forgot about the incident ? God was on holiday ? God was honeymooned with Adam ?

You’re making me repeat myself again. Did you finish reading my post? Here it goes again.

Isaiah 55:8-9 (NIV) “For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways,” declares the LORD. 9 “As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts.

Who are you to judge the Supreme Judge? God keeps his Own counsel. How can a pathetic little human like you expect to tell God what to do? Get over yourself.

Did you answer my question ? NO , in fact you created more questions to contradict your own explanation. Please read again. Remember this there are more readers here. If you don’t want them to laugh at you, please grow up and think logically.

I’ve answered all your stupid questions. You just choose to ignore them. So you yourself grow up and think logically.

I notice that you’re throwing in some Ad Hominems. What? You’re starting to get intimidated? You’re beginning to feel like you’re losing control? You’re finally noticing that you’re not as smart as you want people to believe? Scared that they’re laughing at you instead of the Bible?
131. dami_anni Says:
January 10th, 2009 at 4:49 am
Hekina please, stop embarrassing yourself with that fake swoon theory. Come back when you have something more intellectual to say. I’m in the middle of something else right now, so please excuse me if I don’t respond to any more of your rantings.
132. dami_anni Says:
January 10th, 2009 at 4:53 am
I’ll repeat myself again. You’re excused though. I know I posted it afterwards.

Licence to flush Says:

Chronicles 16:30: “He has fixed the earth firm, immovable.”
Psalm 93:1: “Thou hast fixed the earth immovable and firm …”
Psalm 96:10: “He has fixed the earth firm, immovable …”
Psalm 104:5: “Thou didst fix the earth on its foundation so that it never can be shaken.”

Typical, to quote out of context. If you would’ve taken the time to actually read the verses you’d notice those are figures of speech. Not intended to be taken literally.

Isaiah 45:18: “…who made the earth and fashioned it, and himself fixed it fast…”

Isaiah 45:18 (NIV) 18 For this is what the LORD says— he who created the heavens, he is God; he who fashioned and made the earth, he founded it; he did not create it to be empty, but formed it to be inhabited—he says: “I am the LORD, and there is no other.

What make believe Bible version are you using?

As I keep on proving the only one doing the lying is you. Now if you’re right, and the christians are wrong, Why do you have to use such deceiving methods to prove that your right? Unflush your brain for a couple of seconds.
133. Licence to flush Says:
January 10th, 2009 at 5:04 am
dami anni,

I asked you “Why would God never show up whenever the believers or non believers need him badly like during the tsunami and earth quake?”

You answered “Isaiah 55:8-9 (NIV) “For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways,” declares the LORD. 9 “As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts.”

Is that why God never shown up ? Is that how you answered why God wasn’t there during the tsunami and earth quake ? God are higher than us THEREFORE God will not save us during 9/11, tsunami and earth quake. But …..

it is love to watch people die but not to save them when God said he is most merciful all power and he knows everything ? IS IT LOVE TO LET INNOCENT DIE ?

Dami anni, I don’t mean to be rude, but do you mind tell us how old are you ? This is very important to me, I don’t torture little kids if you confess to me that you are underaged and your mommy promised to buy you another Babbie doll in this weekend. I will ignore you and leave you with your fantasies. Just tell us how old are you ok ?

The reason why I ask is because you don’t seem to understand how to answer questions. Over and over again I see you purposely make Christianity looks bad here. You purposely make chances for me to attack Bible. I am finding it too easy to attack you than the rest of the Christians. Are you Muslims trying to defame Christianity here or are you little kids who doesn’t know how to tie your show lace yet ?

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You answered “Who are you to judge the Supreme Judge? God keeps his Own counsel. How can a pathetic little human like you expect to tell God what to do. Get over yourself.”

Again instead of answering where was God during disaster you chose to insult me. Is this how to answer questions ? Is this how to convince us the truth in the Bible ? Is this your version of wisdom that you are proud to show us ?

Let me tell you this little girl, all the charlatans speak just like you when you ask them to prove what they claim. Mohammad was using the same method like you do when the nonbelievers asked him to prove Allah’s existence. Maybe you are a Muslims. Maybe you are too afraid to face the truth, that is why you get offended with my questions. I can understand that.

If you asked a little kid where is Donald Duck if it is real and she says ….Who are you to judge the Supreme Donald Duck? Donald Duck keeps his Own counsel. How can a pathetic little human like you expect to tell Donald Duck what to do. Get over yourself.”

Well do you believe Donald Duck is real now after the little kid “explains” to you ? Are you happy with this sort of “explanation” ?

My point is if God is real and all he has to do is to show up. Why waste time to send somebody to teach us how to live our lives but all of them screwed themselves up eventually. Why can’t just DO something that makes us believe in him. Like show up during Hitler gassed 6 million of Jews, stop 9/11, tsunami and earth quake ?

If I am God I will make things real easy for my own creations to believe me. I won’t be so stupid to make them argue about my existence. And I will certainly punish anybody like you who try to insult those who are trying to understand my existence. What you do is to tell the world that God is fake and you can’t prove his existence. You make God a liar or fake.

Again please say something solid and rational if you are not sure about our questions. Always humbler to request our patient so that you could have more time to sleep with God to understand why he was never real all this time. But safe sex is very important. God has slept with Adam and he could be infected with HIV, so please insist God to put on condom before you have fun with him ok ?
134. Licence to flush Says:
January 10th, 2009 at 5:21 am
dami anni,

I asked you “Why would God gave us freewill to sin in the first place and punish us later? When little people like me understand the best way to solve all the problems in the world is to STOP making sinful people”

You answered “There you go again with the god complex. If we didn’t have free will we wouldn’t be humans. ”

Just because we have freewill doesn’t mean God gave us. By the same token, just because we exist doesn’t mean God created us. I hope you understand this one. Remember this if God created us then who created God ? If nobody created God then nobody created us. Get it ?

Again if God gives us freewill then who gives God freewill to think ? If nobody gave God freewill then nobody gives us freewill. Get it ? This is a very simple argument which I believe one day when you quit your Babbie doll you will understand more. Just be patient in the mean time ok ?

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You answered “And you would be forced to worship the God you hate so much against your will. I guess little people like you don’t understand at all.”

Are you saying God didn’t want to force us to worship him that is why he gave us freewill to chose to believe in him or NOT to believe in him ? If this is true then you are saying God DOESN’T know what we will chose with our freewill.

God LIED to us he knows everything. Because if God knows everything he will certainly know what we will chose with our freewill.

Again you are calling God a liar. Well …just for this one I am not going to argue with you. In fact if God is real then I agree with your logic that God lied he knows everything. Thank you Dami anni. You finally put smile on my face.
135. Hekina Says:
January 10th, 2009 at 5:24 am
To Dami_anni

Analysis based on facts is no swoon theory. It is you who twist words and put them in my mouth repeatedly, like a typical christian faithhead. It is you who should be not just be embarassed but ashamed for having blind beliefs incapable to discern the facts from fiction, if at all you have any sense of shame left. Given your other chriatian brother FF67’s rantings, it is not likely that you christians have any iota of shame left in you, let alone a sense to debate reasonably. Following education process through kindergarden again, you may have a chance develop some intelligence.
136. Licence to flush Says:
January 10th, 2009 at 5:45 am
dami anni,

I asked “This one is exclusively for Christians and Catholics. Why would God sent his son to die for us when he could stop all the trouble by making non sinful people ? If God gave us freewill to sin then why would he bother to save us later ? Doesn’t make sense at all, it makes God looks stupid. Maybe Christians should stop preaching around to avoid more smart people attacking them.”

You answered “You’re the one that that don’t make sense with all those ridiculous questions. God loves his creatures, and through Jesus Christ he gave us the opportunity to repent. ”

Sorry you haven’t answered my questions yet. Please read what I asked you. I said why didn’t God created us WITHOUT sin in the first place if he did create us. Why God who said he loves us need to send his son to die for us when all he could do is to stop making sinful person like Hitler, Osama, terrorist, and you.

Now tell me who is the one that doesn’t make sense with all those ridiculous questions here ? Jesus said he is God and God send himself to die for us and do we have sin now ? If God’s plan worked then we don’t have sin now and why God will judge us during judgment day if we don’t have any more sin ? Who is being ridiculous here ? Please let the readers vote for it ok ?

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You said “Self proclaimed smart people are only smart in their own eyes. (Oh, and in their cheerleaders’).”

Yes this is true, God and Jesus self proclaimed they are smart and it is only in their own eyes. If they are smart they wouldn’t making so much mistakes in the Bible and cause us to laugh so much.

If you are smart you wouldn’t be enjoying the delusion of God.

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I asked “Why blame anybody from attacking the Bible and Quran when these books are so silly and utterly stupid ? ”

You answered “That’s a matter of perspective. Most people think that people who attack the Bible are silly and utterly stupid (myself included). And since I’ve shown that all your petty objections are substanceless, we’re right.”

Did you answer why God wasn’t there during tsunami when he said he loves us ?

Did you answer it is love to let innocent die in 9/11 ?

Did you answer why God gave freewill to Hitler to kill 6 million of Jews if he loves the Jews ?

Dami anni, I do not know what happened to your brain, nor would I have any record of your medical history. But base on your statement your brain is terribly clogged up. That will explain why you always fail to answer our questions rationally. But you think you are smart. lol

For your information when we attack the Bible and Quran and call it stupid that is because we can prove it. Can you prove we are stupid ? Can you show me which of our statements are silly ? Can you ?

Again we quote base on your logic, before you accuse us anything please think twice and twice again. This is for your own sake. I am sure you don’t want the rest of the readers to laugh at you. You certainly wouldn’t want to make God looks stupid and bad ………………….do you ?
137. dami_anni Says:
January 10th, 2009 at 6:11 am
If the Bible is from God and God is real then the Bible MUST BE 100% accurate, 100% love, 0% violence, 0% stupidity. Do you understand. But over and over again we read the violence, nonsense and contradictions and lies from the Bible and Quran. And yet you people believe in it blindly. You guys are so sick that even dare to call it truth ? How funny it is, the Bible and Quran are not even close to half truth.

There you go showing the world how truly ignorant you are. First thing I noticed is that you’re setting up a “Stawman”. That a Logical fallacy on its own. Also, you don’t have a clue about the doctrine of the Bible. Before you start talking nonsense about thing that you don’t know you should get educated on the subject first. Read a couple of bible introductions. You should actually read the Bible instead of copy pasting from atheist web sites. Knocking down strawmen doesn’t win arguments.

Whether the historic events in the Bible were true or made up by liars. You can’t prove to us. But we know the current events such as 9/11, tsunami and earth quake are real. Don’t you think these are more than enough to prove the Bible and Quran are stupid books and contains lies and errors ? How long do you need to live with darkness when you know brightness is there out of your cave ?

Actually, a lot of the historic events in the Bible have been confirmed by archeological excavations. Read the Stones Cry Out; by Randall Price. You seem to be traumatized by natural disasters. If you were a victim I’m truly sorry. But that’s a “Non Sequiter Argument” (logical fallacy # 2) God could have other reasons for allowing tragedy. (Isaiah 55:8-9)

Do you really enjoy being fooled ? Do you like to be deluded ? Is it fun to live with lies ? Don’t you shy when we prove you are stupid and wrong about your “logic” ? Are you really proud of a bunch of lies from the Bible ?

“Ad Hominem” attacks (logical fallacy # 3) The funny thing about Ad Hominem attacks is that people resort to them when they’re losing a debate. You’re probably all sweaty now banging your head against the wall.

When 9/11 did you close your eyes watching from the TV when the buildings were collapsing ? Did you pray to God asking him why it happens when he is real and he created everything ? What do you want me to say about brainless people like you ? But…. you call yourself wise and smart. What a great joke
That’s called a “Loaded Question”. (logical fallacy # 4) (Isaiah 55:8-9)

You said “And the history of humanity has violence.” Why history of humanity has violence if God is real and he created us ? If God gave them freewill to act violently then it is God’s fault. Do you see how you avoid my questions stupidly ?

Another loaded question. Man has free will to decide. Man chose violence. It’s mans fault not God. How would you feel if God forced you to worship him against your will.

Maybe we shouldn’t blame you, cause you are a Christians. And it is norm for Christians and Muslims not to use their brains. You people speak like parrots and behave like liars. You use taqiya such as God loves us to lure new converts. But when I ask you to prove God loves us by showing them Hitler killed 6 million of Jews, You will avoid my questions by blaming it on the freewill of Hitler. But do you know that if it is true that God gave freewill to Hitler to sin than it is God’s problem not Hitler ? Can you see the logic now ? Do you see how silly you contradict yourself here ? Do you really want to make Christianity looks bad here ?

God showed His love by letting his Son die for everyone that believes in him. And all you’re doing is whining. Why God this? Why God that? You sound like the “little girl who has Barbie dolls” you accused me of.

1.You said “Maybe it sounds silly and funny to people that are silly and funny.”
Let’s see how true is this.Do you think it is funny for God to send himself to let his own creations to kill him by nailing his ass to a cross ? Remember this the Bible says Jesus is God.

No only fools think it’s funny.

If you think this statement sounds silly and funny then you are silly and funny to believe Jesus is God. Lol

Why? He did die then rose from the dead.

Conclusion : You are silly and funny to believe in Bible. Because you are an incorrigible idiots

The Bible has been around and will continue to be around for more time than your pathetic self will be.

So you see Flush all of your objections are based on your own deluded sense of reason. You shouldn’t throw rocks when you live in a house of glass.
138. dami_anni Says:
January 10th, 2009 at 6:34 am
Hey flush,

I’m finished embarrassing you in front of all your internet buddies. You just keep asking the same questions I’ve answered over and over again. You’re in denial buddy, and being a real crybaby about it. So I’m just going to wish everybody here a good night and do something more productive with my time.

Hekina, try to come up with something more believable. Say the disciples stole the body, or that maybe they went to the wrong tomb. Mass hallucinations or something. But that Jesus never died!!! After the beating that he took! Yeah right. Good luck with that one.
139. Licence to flush Says:
January 10th, 2009 at 6:41 am
dami anni,

You answered “Since you’re blowing so much hot air about scientific discoveries. Why don’t you give an example of one that contradicts the Bible WHEN INTERPRETED CORRECTLY?

Luke 19:20. You’re quoting from a parable. It represents Gods’ judgment on evildoers. ”

This is nonsense, why God judge the evildoers when he said he gave them freewill to do evil ? Do you see how you contradict your own statement again ?

If Jesus REALLY died for our sin then we have no sin and evildoers never exist anymore. If you still see evildoers it means Jesus FAILED to died for our sin. God failed in his plan to send himself to die for our sin. The Bible lies about it, the Christians lie about it. God lies about it. Do you see how you contradict your own statement again ?

Why couldn’t God just stop making evildoers, that way he won’t have to waste his time in the judgment day to torture evildoers and he could spend more romantic time with Adam. If God want us to have freewill to do evil then why the hell he needs to punish us later in the Judgment day. Please focus on this one ok ? Stop beating about the bush, more people are flushing the Bible in the toilet now if you continue to avoid sensible questions posted to you.

And could you do God a favor, please don’t defame his teachings anymore. You could do that if you use your brain for just once in your entire life time when you answer my questions. Other than that, please keep your brain under hibernation if you really hate to use it.

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You said “His mercifulness is in that He gave His unique Son so that whoever believes in him can avoid judgment.”

So you are saying God didn’t sure who will avoid judgment day ? God lied he knows everything. Because if God knew about who will believe in him and who don’t. Then there is no point for him to send HIMSELF to die for our sin. This is truthfully nonsensical and self contradictory lies that made up by idiots and meant for idiots to believe.

Besides I have asked you so many times do we still have sin if Jesus is God and God died for our sin ? But you are avoiding this one. Are you too afraid to know Jesus and God FAILED in their (maybe same person) mission ? Is that why you chose not to answer me whether we still have sin or not after Jesus washed our sin away ?

Do you see how you contradict your own statement again ? Now tell me who is pathetic ? Who is a real idiot here ?

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You insulted “As a professional Quran and Bible flushing consultant, you must have flushed your brain along with them. And your so-called logical thinking are really logical fallacies. ”

No little girl I am very careful whenever I flush the Bible and Quran down in the toilet. I never let the water splash on me because the Bible and Quran are highly toxic. Let the water carries the evil scripture to the further of the sewage plant. Let the toilet washes God’s and Jesus’ sin away. This is how to wash the sin of a cruel and liar deities. At least it works all the time.

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You insult “Your comment on 911 is a fine example of your… I guess I’ll say questionable reasoning skills. It’s hard not to mock you when you set yourself up so well. But hey, you say you’re the smart one.”

Why don’t you answer where was God during 9/11 ? So simple why busy to insult me when you could answer such a simple question posted many times here ? Come on just answer this one to prove me wrong then only you start to call me by names ok ? Let the readers know you are smart and I am so stupid to ask you some current events ok ?

Is this how you believe God is real without being able to prove that ? Is this what you proud of something funny and contradictory ? is this how you prove the scientist wrong about God is fake ?

Please stop attacking me and focus more on my questions. You may do that later after you prove me wrong ok ? Believe me you have more opportunities to insult me and I am not going anyway. By insulting me is not going to make God or Jesus real ok ? Do you understand the logic now ?

Alright I make it easy for you. I promise to send you a Barbie Doll if you could answer me, deal ?

Where was God during 9/11 ? If both God and Jesus were there ? Why didn’t they save the innocent 3000 lives ? Is it merciful to let 3000 innocent lives died
140. Licence to flush Says:
January 10th, 2009 at 6:50 am
dami anni,

You quote “Believe in Jesus and Be Baptized—– says mark

Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will condemned.” (Mark 16:16). Then as usual he proceeds to give five stupid answers.

How about; whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will condemned.” How hard to understand is that?”

Yes how hard for you to understand, why God condemn those who don’t believe in him when the Bible says God gives them freewill NOT to believe in him ? If you think I posted 5 stupid answers then why don’t you answer me correctly and wisely ?

I already asked here many times why God condemn the unbelievers when he said he gave them freewill not to believe in him in the first place. Don’t you think God should condemn himself because he made them not to believe in him ?

How hard is that for you not to understand such a vivid contradictions. The Bible is made by idiots and for the idiots. I guess you can understand this one can’t you ?
141. Licence to flush Says:
January 10th, 2009 at 7:18 am
dami anni,

The Bible says

Chronicles 16:30: “He has fixed the earth firm, immovable.”
Psalm 93:1: “Thou hast fixed the earth immovable and firm …”
Psalm 96:10: “He has fixed the earth firm, immovable …”
Psalm 104:5: “Thou didst fix the earth on its foundation so that it never can be shaken.”

You said “Typical, to quote out of context. If you would’ve taken the time to actually read the verses you’d notice those are figures of speech. Not intended to be taken literally. ”

Why is it out of context when it appears in the Bible ? Why those are figures of speech if God and Jesus knew is not fixed ? I simply don’t understand why are you so illiterate and always fool yourself with lies.

If those silly things appear in the Bible and are WORDS of God then why not intended to be taken literally ? Are you trying to deny Words of God ? Do you want to be a new prophet ?

When Quran says Sun set in murky pond everybody laughs at it. But when Bible says earth is fixed why are you trying to defend it ? It is either those are from the Bible or not. It yes then the Bible is corrupted and none of you should trust anything from the Bible anymore. Because you can never tell which verse is made up and which one is from God.

If God did create earth, do you still he is so stupid to say those stupid things in the Bible ? Of course not. It is clear that the Bible was made up by illiterate idiots like you. They don’t know how the earth looks like. And God is not real. The writer of the Bible thought the sun is revolving around the earth. But when Galileo proved them wrong during the Dark Ages he was sentenced to whole life imprisonment. This is the “mercifulness” you can show me from Christianity. How ironically and laughable.

I don’t think the sick and retard will believe something so stupid. You are worse than sick and retard. It is very clear that the Bible says earth is fixed and it is a VERY stupid book.

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You said “Isaiah 45:18: “…who made the earth and fashioned it, and himself fixed it fast…”

Isaiah 45:18 (NIV) 18 For this is what the LORD says— he who created the heavens, he is God; he who fashioned and made the earth, he founded it; he did not create it to be empty, but formed it to be inhabited—he says: “I am the LORD, and there is no other.

What make believe Bible version are you using?

As I keep on proving the only one doing the lying is you. Now if you’re right, and the christians are wrong, Why do you have to use such deceiving methods to prove that your right? Unflush your brain for a couple of seconds.”

Are you saying there are many versions of Bible and each one contradicts themselves badly ? I agree. Sometimes Lord said this and sometimes he contradicted himself in different scripture. Now tell me who is lying ? The author of the Bible or you ?

By the way did Isaiah 45:18 says earth is NOT fixed ? Still you haven’t disprove our charges against the Bible here. Still the Bible remains stupid and silly. You must prove to us Bible didn’t say earth is fixed ok ? Please don’t beat about the bush, focus on the topic ok ? So far you only make Christianity look bad and silly. You can’t make it good by avoiding our questions. And I can guarantee you, verses like this will continue to appear here many times.

So if you don’t want to see it, please prove us wrong or log off ok ? Other than that, by insulting us or defending baselessly will make your belief stupid and silly. Get it now ? Remember many readers are reading …..
142. proudkafir Says:
January 10th, 2009 at 9:37 am
Listening and reading all the arguements of the biblical certins and qrandic idiots, all I can say is” un to you your’s and un to me mine” I give you the freedom to be rational and intelligent.But you people refuse to accept the freedom gladly.Instead you people are stuck in the 2000 year old book.How amazing.The stupidity of the wise people of religion is suffocating.Please release me lord.
Lets get beck to a slightly different reasoning.
Please answer these questions carefully.
1.Is Bible word/ words of GOD? We need an answer a carefully considered answer.
Simple example.Water boils at 100* C.Always? No for as long as atmospheric pressure is at mean sea level. Now that we have qualified, we need some more adjectives.Water means puer water not impure water.Distilled water when boiled at mean sea level atmospheric pressure will boil at 100 degree celsius.This is how science describes facts.When the water is boiled by a christian a moslem or an atheist or an agnost or xyz, for as long as the preconditions are met with ( mind you these are objective preconditions and subjective) water continues to boil @ 100 * celsius.Provided the thermometer is correct!
Now let us look at the simple religious arguement.When you boil water, it may boil at 20* C/ won’t Boil @ 100 * celsius/ will never boil till you have faith in the fact that water boils! Even if you have faith that water boils only when you heat it, if you pray from the bottom of the heart, the water boils when you freeze it.try to pray to our lord and freeze the water.
A moslem perspective of boiling water at 100* C .Allah ( swt) and the rapist pedophile mohammad have declared to us the most intelligent and superior arabs that when you freeze or heat women/ i mean water, for as long as the shada is not pronounced in classical arabic like allah dalal is a pimp of rapist pedophile mohammad, women are not halal for you for as lonas they are believers and if they are your right hand possesions, they are ok for you to sleep with!Wow allah is great this is miracle of allah thinking women are the same as life giving water and women are respected in islam.Allahu akbr.allah dalal jeeb wallad mal rasool pedophile. Miracle of qrand.
This is the usual reply of the compete cretins of biblical and qrandic hue. Simple observation of water boils @ 100 * C is not an issu any more.I wil kill you for saying that was the moscum response before.Thanks to the internet moscums and biblical idiots feel helpless, angry,confused all at the same time.Oh lord why did you forsake us??????? Why don’ you do some thing to these kafirs, pagans,heathens.Lord and allah together can not do a bean to the kafirs.ha allah dalal to rapist mohammad who screwed little girls and preached the same for eternity.
143. Licence to flush Says:
January 10th, 2009 at 6:46 pm
dami anni,

I said “If the Bible is from God and God is real then the Bible MUST BE 100% accurate, 100% love, 0% violence, 0% stupidity. Do you understand. But over and over again we read the violence, nonsense and contradictions and lies from the Bible and Quran. And yet you people believe in it blindly. You guys are so sick that even dare to call it truth ? How funny it is, the Bible and Quran are not even close to half truth.”

You answered “There you go showing the world how truly ignorant you are. First thing I noticed is that you’re setting up a “Stawman”. That a Logical fallacy on its own. Also, you don’t have a clue about the doctrine of the Bible. Before you start talking nonsense about thing that you don’t know you should get educated on the subject first. Read a couple of bible introductions. You should actually read the Bible instead of copy pasting from atheist web sites. Knocking down strawmen doesn’t win arguments.”

Could you kindly answer my questions now after you baselessly insult me ? Let me post it again to you ok ?

If the Bible is from God and God is real then the Bible MUST BE 100% accurate, 100% love, 0% violence, 0% stupidity. Do you understand. But over and over again we read the violence, nonsense and contradictions and lies from the Bible and Quran. And yet you people believe in it blindly. You guys are so sick that even dare to call it truth ? How funny it is, the Bible and Quran are not even close to half truth.

Please elaborate in details which of my questions are ignorant and silly ? Where are the logical fallacy ? Besides do you understand what logical fallacy means ? Let me brief you what is logical fallacy.

Example of logical fallacy, God said he loves us but he wasn’t there to stop 9/11 because he gave freewill terrorist to kill innocent 3000 lives. Love contradicts with killing. This is logical fallacies. I hope you will learn more logic and reasons instead of making pointless attack.

You may start by reading Ali Sina debate with Muslims. Muslims attack Ali Sina just like the way you do to us. Totally pointless and pure insults. You thought by using abusive language will back us off so that you will continue to fool others and yourself here ? I am afraid it doesn’t work at all little girl.

If Ali Sina was to follow your style in making pointless attack on Islam, then I am sure nobody will care about what he says by now. So you see, you must learn how to talk and think rationally. I asked you many questions, and you never properly answer me. Not even once, don’t forget there are many readers here. They are far more smarter than you and I. They can tell who is being evasive and making pointless comments here. Be careful with what you say here if you want others to respect your faith and yourself.

Please answer the questions first before you attack pointlessly ok ?

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I asked “Whether the historic events in the Bible were true or made up by liars. You can’t prove to us. But we know the current events such as 9/11, tsunami and earth quake are real. Don’t you think these are more than enough to prove the Bible and Quran are stupid books and contains lies and errors ? How long do you need to live with darkness when you know brightness is there out of your cave ?”

you answered “Actually, a lot of the historic events in the Bible have been confirmed by archeological excavations. Read the Stones Cry Out; by Randall Price. You seem to be traumatized by natural disasters. If you were a victim I’m truly sorry. But that’s a “Non Sequiter Argument” (logical fallacy # 2) God could have other reasons for allowing tragedy. (Isaiah 55:8-9)”

Again you are telling me the historic events in the Bible will make it true but not current events. Current events will prove Bible wrong that is why we must read the historic events only. What a coincidence, Muslims told us the same thing when we question the Quran. Muslims ask us to read books written by their Muslim scholars, according to them Islam is proven true and divine based on their books. Now dami anni, why should I believe you but not Muslims ? LOL

Why the Bible will only look true in historic events but not current events ? Why do we need historic events to prove God is real when the CURRENT events is more than enough to disprove his existence. 9/11, holocaust, tsunami, earth quake…. would you like some more examples to show you God is FAKE and MADE UP?

Are you telling me God was real but not now ? If God is real now then the current events should be able to prove it. Never mind what idiots said about their findings in historic events. Marie said Satan created hell first, but the next day she changed her statement to God created hell. You see there are many idiots and charlatans in the world, they say things to favor their own delusion just like you. But they can’t fool us, because we are smarter than them. Much much more smarter then those who believe God is real.

It is totally pointless to ask me to read someone else’s book. What about me asking you to read Richard Dawkins’ book the God delusion. He proves the Bible is wrong and funny. If you think Richard Dawkins is wrong about Bible then I think Randall Rrice is wrong about what he said in his book. There are many people writing books to show how silly the Bible and Quran are. Therefore by diverting us to others will not make your case strong. Not even once.

You said God could have other reasons for allowing tragedy ? It is love to allow 3000 lives killed in 9/11 by the terrorist. If this is true then God is as evil as terrorist and he is no God but Satan. Muslims said the same thing, Muslims said Allah is real and he has his reasons to allow Israelis to kill Muslims in Gaza.

Do you see how stupid you and Muslims in answering our questions. You are making evasive and logical fallacies which you call answers ? What a true idiot of you.

CONCLUSION : If God is still real as off today then the current events will be able to prove his existence not the historic events. So far all the current events prove the Bible wrong and God is fake and made up by idiots to fool and control utterly silly people like you.

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I asked you “Do you really enjoy being fooled ? Do you like to be deluded ? Is it fun to live with lies ? Don’t you shy when we prove you are stupid and wrong about your “logic” ? Are you really proud of a bunch of lies from the Bible ?”

You answered ““Ad Hominem” attacks (logical fallacy # 3) The funny thing about Ad Hominem attacks is that people resort to them when they’re losing a debate. You’re probably all sweaty now banging your head against the wall. ”

Could you tell me why I lost the debate when you can’t answer where was God during 9/11 ? Is this how you declare victory when you are not answering anything from us ? If this is how to win a debate then Muslims won all the debate with Ali Sina. LOL You are making a big fool out of yourself. Seriously you are the dumbest of the dumbest. You make foolish statement and yet you dare to declare victory. What a true idiot.

Could you tell me why I sweat now and banging my head against the wall when you never even once answer me. I asked you many times, it is love for God to let 3000 innocent lives killed in 9/11 ? You avoided this one and now you declare victory ? Are you a Muslims ? At least you qualify to become one. You have all it takes to be a true Muslims.

Could you tell me do you understand what Ad Hominem means ? If you don’t maybe you should read again what you have posted here. May I remind you that so far you never answer a single question posted by me but rush into attacking us baselessly and stupidly.

Well again do you really enjoy being fooled by the Bible and the priest ? Do you really feel proud when we call you dumbest of the dumbest ? Well… maybe you like it so much. Maybe …..
144. Licence to flush Says:
January 10th, 2009 at 7:20 pm
dami anni,

I asked you “When 9/11 did you close your eyes watching from the TV when the buildings were collapsing ? Did you pray to God asking him why it happens when he is real and he created everything ? What do you want me to say about brainless people like you ? But…. you call yourself wise and smart. What a great joke

You answered “That’s called a “Loaded Question”. (logical fallacy # 4) (Isaiah 55:8-9) ‘

Could you answer in proper manner, there are many non Christians here, they will mistaken you as a coward in avoiding my questions. Please tell us, if God is real why he allowed terrorist to kill 3000 innocent lives in 9/11 ok ? Remember this only Satan allows tragedy to happen. We all know the terrorist who attacked the twin towers were demon. And if God allowed demon commit 9/11 then God is demon not a creator. Get it ?

Or …..are you telling me the part that God is real and he gave freewill to terrorist to kill innocent is logical fallacy in the Bible ? Now you start to use your brain. I am glad because finally you see the logical fallacy in the Bible.

You see I told you it is not that hard to know the Bible contains too many logical fallacies that even little kids understand. Unless you are worse than little kids.

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I asked ” Why history of humanity has violence if God is real and he created us ? If God gave them freewill to act violently then it is God’s fault. Do you see how you avoid my questions stupidly ? ”

You answered “Another loaded question. Man has free will to decide. Man chose violence. It’s mans fault not God. How would you feel if God forced you to worship him against your will. ”

Did God know man will chose violence IF GOD IS REAL AND HE CREATED EVIL MAN ? Yes or No

If yes then God knew about EVIL MAN and he purposely created them to do evils then it is God’s fault not evil man’s fault. And that makes God an evil not a creator

If no then God lied he knows everything in the Bible, and that makes God a liar not a creator.

Do you see the logical fallacy in the Bible now ? Either way you lost. You have proven God is NOT A CREATOR but an Evil or Liar. lol Thanks you very much.

If God gave us freewill to sin then why God punishes us later in the Judgment day ? This is another logical fallacy that Christians enjoy for more than 2000 years.

Are you saying that it is more important to let us to freely chose not to worship him than making evils ? So God wants us to use the freewill to chose to worship him even though he knew the freewill will cause us to sin and do evil and kill innocent ? What a cruel God.

This is stupid. You are making God a very stupid deity. Utterly and plain stupid God if God thinks like that. Again because God let us have the freewill simply because he wants us to willingly worship him BUT he doesn’t care if we will use the freewill to kill others or not. God is not merciful but CRUEL according to your logic.

God created human just because he wants us to worship him and it is more important than saving innocent 3000 lives in 9/11 ? It this merciful ?

Dami anni we don’t do this to save you from your stupid religion. We are doing this to save many more smart people who were unfortunately born in the family of God delusions. I bet they understand how foolish it is to worship God who is utterly dumber than a pig. Thank you dami anni, we couldn’t save them if you don’t take the bait. Yes we use you because you are dumb but nothing else. Do you see how you help us to achieve our goal in helping others see the foolishness in the Bible and Quran ? Thank you again. Thank you very much.
145. Licence to flush Says:
January 10th, 2009 at 7:45 pm
dami anni,

I said “Maybe we shouldn’t blame you, cause you are a Christians. And it is norm for Christians and Muslims not to use their brains. You people speak like parrots and behave like liars. You use taqiya such as God loves us to lure new converts. But when I ask you to prove God loves us by showing them Hitler killed 6 million of Jews, You will avoid my questions by blaming it on the freewill of Hitler. But do you know that if it is true that God gave freewill to Hitler to sin than it is God’s problem not Hitler ? Can you see the logic now ? Do you see how silly you contradict yourself here ? Do you really want to make Christianity looks bad here ? ”

You stupidly answered “God showed His love by letting his Son die for everyone that believes in him. And all you’re doing is whining. Why God this? Why God that? You sound like the “little girl who has Barbie dolls” you accused me of. ”

God loves us ? What about the 6 million Jews gassed by Hitler ? Did God love them too ? Is it love to let them die and did nothing to save them ?

God loves us ? What about 3000 lives killed by terrorist in 9/11? Did God love them too ? Is it love to let them die and did nothing to save them ?

Do you see the logical fallacies in the Bible now ?

God let his son Jesus to die for us but Jesus is God. I think you make a mistake. May I help you to alter your statement ?

God showed his love by letting HIMSELF die for everyone that believes in him. So God let Roman killed him and this is love but … God let the terrorists kill innocent people. Is that love too ?

Seriously I think you are a terrible idiot. I never thought you could react so stupidly. Your statements broke record for having the most contradictions and logical fallacies among the rest of the post here. Maybe because you never use your brain when you write. Please try to use your brain more next time ok ?

So God had to let us kill him to show us he loves us. Sorry this is funny no sane people will believe that. Only insane and utterly stupid people will buy that story. If you are God will you make such a laughable story to prove you love us ? If you do then you are dumber than God. And even pigs are smarter than God these days.

In another words God couldn’t think of a better way to show us he loves us but he let us kill him. This is more than funny. LOL

Do you know that only in Christianity, the followers believe that it is feasible to kill their own creator. What a funny religion. LOL

Thank you dami anni, you are wonderful to make us laugh for so many hours.

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I said “Let’s see how true is this.Do you think it is funny for God to send himself to let his own creations to kill him by nailing his ass to a cross ? Remember this the Bible says Jesus is God. ”

You said “No only fools think it’s funny. ”

So you think it is possible to kill a God. Sorry only fool will think it is not funny. Only idiots will believe that. LOL
146. Licence to flush Says:
January 11th, 2009 at 2:12 am
dami anni,

I said “If you think this statement sounds silly and funny then you are silly and funny to believe Jesus is God. Lol ”

You answered “Why? He did die then rose from the dead. ”

Did you see that ? Did you see he rose from the dead ? lol

Muslims said Mohammad split the moon and they believe in it without any doubts. Muslims couldn’t prove that but they believe whole heartedly.

Can you prove Jesus rose from the dead ? But I can prove to you Jesus and God were never there during tsunami, holocaust, 9/11 and earth quake. In fact many people can prove that. But can you prove HOW JESUS ROSE FROM THE DEAD ? CAN YOU ?

Jesus rose from the dead is not a logical fallacy, it is categorized as fictions made up by the idiots for the idiots. Only very very stupid people will believe that.

Do you see there is no different between you and Muslims. Both species are equally dumb and gullible.

Congratulations you are the most dumbest sick retards among all the sick retards in the world. Nothing on earth will be dumber than you. You deserve the title well. Keep it up.

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I said “Conclusion : You are silly and funny to believe in Bible. Because you are an incorrigible idiots ”

You answered “The Bible has been around and will continue to be around for more time than your pathetic self will be. ”

The Bible is only 2000 years old and more and more people already know how stupid it sounds. Therefore there is no way a stupid book will continue to be around. Only a pathetic sick retards like you will believe in it.

Can’t you see, every day there are more people like us writing sensible and rational logics to disprove the logical fallacies of the Bible. Ali Sina is one of us.

There are many ancient belief which has survived longer than Bible. Just because something last for 2000 years won’t make it a reason to continue further. Maybe such a simple logic is hard for you to understand. Because you are still a little girl yet.

How can Bible continue to fool around when none of you SUCCESSFULLY answered any of our questions. Just read back what you answered here ? Do you think the readers here are as stupid as you ? Do you think they can’t tell that you being evasive here ? No, you are like an ostrich, what you do here is to fool yourself but no one. You fool yourself with lies so that you feel comfortable. You fool yourself to believe what the Bible says so that you feel safe with the imaginary God. But we don’t need that because we are no retards, we are not sick. But most importantly we are smart. We are capable to prove the nonsense in the Bible, but you can’t do any to prove it right.

After 9/11, tsunami. More and more people know God is a HOAX. They finally woke up from the delusions. You see just because you are so sick in your head, won’t make others the same as you. I am sure after they read our debate they know what to do with the Bible. Maybe they won’t let me flush it for them ….. cause they want to do it themselves in revenge to the church for what they lied to them.

Anyway I welcome you to wipe your ass with the Bible before you flush them all in the toilet. Remember, help God and Jesus to wash their sin away with the “holly water” that rush down in the toilet bowl. If you love them ok ?

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You said “So you see Flush all of your objections are based on your own deluded sense of reason. You shouldn’t throw rocks when you live in a house of glass. ”

Please say this when you are capable to answer any of our questions. Before that …..this statement becomes very funny.

Do you mind to tell me which of my statement is delusive to you ?
God rose from the grave ?
God loves you but he created Hitler to kill 6 million of Jews ?
God gave freewill to terrorist to kill 3000 innocent in 9/11 ?

If you think all of them are funny and delusions ? Then you are not a Christians nor do you believe in the Bible. Because I quote base on your own logic. The Bible make it funny not me ok ?

I hope you understand the rock was created by your ignorance, and you only throw to Jesus’ house of glass when you shiit here. You broke Jesus’ glass house not me. I quote base on your logic remember. I use your logic to break the glass. Please don’t kick yourself in the ass again ok ? Don’t hurt yourself like that. Be nice to your ass.
147. Licence to flush Says:
January 11th, 2009 at 2:47 am
Hey dami anni,

You said “I’m finished embarrassing you in front of all your internet buddies. You just keep asking the same questions I’ve answered over and over again. You’re in denial buddy, and being a real crybaby about it. So I’m just going to wish everybody here a good night and do something more productive with my time.”

How did you embarrass me ? Did you answer any of my questions ? Nope. Then how can you embarrass me when I asked you questions that you can’t answer at all ? I am finding you very funny, you couldn’t answer my questions and you claim victory in the debate and now you claim you have embarrassed me. With what ? With your logical fallacies and lies ?

I guess you are sick. Maybe you come from other space. Let me tell you something, this isn’t how it works here on earth, we won’t be embarrassed when we prove you are an idiot. It is embarrassing for the person who believe in the nonsense that we proved them wrong.

Why I repeat myself so many times ? Because you haven’t answered my questions yet ? You are making logical fallacies to avoid them. I asked you if God loves you why he created Hitler to kill 6 million of Jews. You said it s freewill and then you continue to insult me thinking that you will scare us from asking questions you scared most. And I asked you again is it merciful to give freewill to Hitler to kill 6 million of Jews ? You never answered yet ? Can you answer that ?

But then again how can you answered that. Because you have already contradicted yourself. I just want you to know how silly it is to believe in something so stupid for 2000 years. The Bible and Quran are embracement to mankind. I am glad I smarter.

How can your time be productive when you believe in nonsense of the Bible ? I just can’t understand why you have to be so retarded.

Please don’t lie to the readers that you answered my questions over and over. It is not fair to them. If they follow our debate from the beginning they will know that you are lying to them. Please don’t loose your limited fans.

If you did ever answer my questions, those who read our debate will know it. Besides everybody knows I broke down all your silly statements to show them how silly it sounds. if you ever answered my questions, please bring it on. Prove to them you are not being evasive here ok ? Stop lying and start growing up. That is productive get it ?

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You said “Hekina, try to come up with something more believable. Say the disciples stole the body, or that maybe they went to the wrong tomb. Mass hallucinations or something. But that Jesus never died!!! After the beating that he took! Yeah right. Good luck with that one.”

May I remind you again whether Jesus’ sick and pathetic body was stolen or not won’t prove the Bible true.

If Jesus never died, where was him when Hitler gassed 6 million of Jews ?
Was Jesus there watching how Hitler gassed the Jews because he enjoyed the sick show very much ?
Was Jesus merciful to Hitler because he knew Hitler will be very sad if he INTERVENED to stop Hitler’s plan ?
Or ….. Jesus fell in love with Hitler and there is no way for him to stop his lovers’ sick plan ?

Just answer the me in order for you to win a Barbie doll which you love so much ok ?

Come on just tell us where was Jesus if he never died and you are NOT telling LIES ? Why do you need historic events to prove he never died, USE THE CURRENT EVENTS such as 9/11, tsunami, earth quake and holocaust. Get it ?

Why waste valuable time to prove how some sick people fooled around with an idiot’s body. Just show me if God is real then he should stop disasters BEFORE It happens. This is called sensible and logical thinking. Get it ?
148. proudkafir Says:
January 11th, 2009 at 9:05 am
See the biblical an qrandic certins follow a similar pattern,
They copy paste inanaities from bible and qrand and keep pasting nonsense till the reader gets buried in this copy paste crap.
If you remain focussed and keep asking relevant questions, they descend to low level insults.A typical moslem starts much earlier than a typical christian fundie, but nevertheless the same route they take.
Is Bible the word of god from the first page to the last page??? A simple question and let us see how many christians answer this with out insulting.
If bible is word of god then a few more questions follow.They will say no Bible is word inspired by god, then they will say no God whsipered these words.then they will say god spoke these words to primitive israelites.Then they will resort to low level christian logic.Typical moscum would have you klilled earlier, but now resorts to qrandic level cursings and insults very early on.
149. proudkafir Says:
January 11th, 2009 at 11:01 am
Use the all new two layered toilet tissue and flush it down with or with out license! One layer Bible and the other layer qrand! Flush you must and use you must,They are toxic and so take care to flush carefully.B & Q two layered toilet tissue.Use and enjoy!
The weekend offer available @ M& S buy three of this two layered B& Q toilet tissue get torah wipe free.
150. fez Says:
January 11th, 2009 at 3:56 pm
proudkafir can you tell me the isbn of this qurand sounds like an interesting book
151. Licence to flush Says:
January 11th, 2009 at 7:37 pm
hindu_Penis _God,

Can you defend Allah ? Allah is busy killing Palestinians in Gaza again. Do you mind to help the poor Muslims in Gaza to fight against Allah ?

Are you sad with Allah created Jews to kill Muslims every where ? Do you angry with the way Allah keeps destroying Islam and Muslims ?
152. fez Says:
January 11th, 2009 at 9:47 pm
all the people who died have gone do paradise all has helpd them in a bigger way then you could understand.every one now supports gaza its only a matter of time before america and israel is destroyed
153. Licence to flush Says:
January 12th, 2009 at 5:05 am
fez,

If Muslims died in Gaza went to heaven, then Jews killed them to send them to heaven. And Muslim must thank Jews for killing them. Because without Jews killing them they can’t go to heaven so soon.

And then Muslims must line up and waiting patiently to let the Jews kill them whole heartedly. Because they will go to heaven. And then all suicide terrorist must stop blowing themselves up ? Why take all the trouble to blow into pieces to reach heaven when all they can do is let the Jews kill them.

Besides if killing Muslims in Gaza is sending them to heaven, then Muslims all over the world should praise the way Jews are sending Muslims to heaven. And also you must encourage more the war in Gaza. You must thank America and Israel for their good gesture.

Fez please thank Israel and America, if you believe what you said. lol
154. proudkafir Says:
January 12th, 2009 at 6:59 am
See the cretinoid,obnoxious,degenerate language of moscums?That’s the best arguement they can give.Allah the pimp is enjoying the littel girl left over by the pedophile mohammad and so he can not protect the moslems from the joos and Americans.
I wonder whether the pimp allah should be banished for ever.So many moslems are perishing and the pimp is not doing a thing to help these helpless.
Moslems, my heart really bleeds for you all.
Want suggestions? here we are.
1.Leave allah,mullah duo alone.
2.Pedophile prophet should be forgotten for ever.
3.Start using your brains and using dik all the time will not take you any where.
4.Educate your children in the modern science and not in madrasas
5.Forget about being slaves to mohammad,allah and qrand.
6.Educate your women and daughters.
7.Time is money and knowledge is power.Acquire knowledge and money.Allah and mohammad spread ignorance, hatred, stupidity.Its imbecility to hope that allah will protect you against the missiles.
Take my advise and you will not be a moscum any more.
155. Deadfella Says:
January 13th, 2009 at 3:16 am
Please kindly get better information before you comment on Islam….
156. fez Says:
January 13th, 2009 at 2:18 pm
what you are talking about is called suicide….. which as far as i know is a sin
157. fez Says:
January 13th, 2009 at 2:19 pm
why would god give us life if there are such pleasures in death and you wont understand until youre a muslim
158. fez Says:
January 13th, 2009 at 2:20 pm
proudkafir i think you need to get you self a dictionary
159. maumoon Says:
January 13th, 2009 at 11:21 pm
All your Contradictions are fucking bullshit crap
160. THE_HAMMER_OF_POITIERS Says:
March 14th, 2009 at 11:21 am
159. maumoon Says:

January 13th, 2009 at 11:21 pm
All your Contradictions are fucking bullshit crap
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Are you that blind to even see your own quran
is the Fucking bukkshit crap? discarding islam
is better than living a lie.

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