A Guide to the Qur’anic Contradictions-1

From what I have understood after reading qrandic verses, is this.
1.qrandic verses are a copy, cut & paste from the bible.
2.Bible too has many violent and vicious verses exactly like qrandic verses and qrand has copied bible badly.
3.Allah is a confused idiot who forgets what he has farted a few seconds ago!
4.Allah speaks through mohammad.
5.Mohammad was a pedophile who also was syphilitic schizophrenic cretin who suffered temporal lobe epilepsy due to syphilis, a disease not uncommon in moddle east.
6.Bible and qrand mouth the same absurdities and inaanities.
7.Followers fo christ are far smarter than followers fo the butcher pedophile mohammad as they stopped believing the grabge of bible some time ago!
8.Qrand serves as a good toilet tissue.It acquires spirituality and some intelligenc e after usage as toilet tissue

Q-Why the many repetitions in the Qu'ran?

A-Because Arabs were dum & stupid in 600 CE.

And they still are...

How I hate ( actually spell mistake " ate" should be ) Indian curries. I enjoy the smell of Hmm yorkshire pudding,mushy peas, roasted turkey, Boiled potatoes,mashed potatoes,artichokes, boiled brussel sprouts, Baked beans in tomato sauce,mouth watering smell of fish, ahh the smell of christian food! After eating this do I blame any one for lacking brains? nahhh
Only thing is afore said food habit propels you towards the biblical god. Smell your coffee and Indian curries and may be you start noticing the biblical inanities and absurdities and stupidities etc etc.

Hello all,a friend of mine showed me your wbesite.I am 29 years old,male,and from India.I dont believe in islamic allah anymore,but how to leave it ? Please help me.

"4.Allah speaks through mohammad."

No, allah IS mohammed. Therefore NOT a deity.

A very enlightening article about Islam: Statistics And The Meaning Of Islam

http://www.newenglishreview.org/custpage.cfm/frm/28244/sec_id/28244

No deity ever spoke to any man, likewise no gods ever visited the earth, why I know this is simply because nobody has yet produced a substantial, observable, and universal evidence for any god, the contradictions in both the koran and the bible are there because of the imperfection of man(in the case of Islam) and the imperfection of men(in the case of Christians) they are only muslims/christians because they were told it is the true thing in their formative years, this leads to their somnambulised state as grown ups.

BD(who is sure a sleepwalking fellow is not in touch with actual reality)

there is something very fishy about this website

@Please help me!

You have come to the right place. Take your time to browse the articles, library and forum. Read Ali Sina's challenge, linked at the top. If you have ever feel like you're going to Hell, read an article. That will end the feeling.

pigs jews/christians/muslims pride themself as follower of 1 imaginary
deity who did not create universe nor evoled mankind.

what is wrong in beliving in 100 gods or 1000 billion gods ?

muslims dont worship truth=nature.

they worship imaginary deity.

if they worshipped many gods then if they lost faith in
1 god they cud fall back on some other,but bcoz they believe only in 1 imaginary deityy the loose faith and become atheist.

which in a way is better.

belief in truth is better than belief in imaginary allah.

lol...lol...lol...

RE: Please Help me
Dear friend first and foremost congratulations for leaving Islam. Can you be more specific as to what sort of help you need?

RE: Please Help me
As for leaving Islam, you dont need to make more efforts, there is no Kalima, no more prayers, no more meaningless rituals. If you dont believe in false deity of Islam and the obligations of Islam anymore, you have lready left Islam, so there is pretty much nothing left to do than spreading the truth around and helping others like you to come of Islam. If you need any other help feel free to contact me on my Email ID : ibrahim6661@gmail.com

daer Please help me
If you have really left Islam then congradulations. You are a freee human being at last.Spreadthis message quietly amongst the like minded people.There is no need to convert in to any religion.Remember we are all children of the same super god and that god is neither jseus nor allah or Rama etc.
How to lead a normal life inspite of disbelief? Its very simple.Seek the absolute truth and truth alone in every thing you do. Treat every human being as if there is a part of god in him.You will automatically become a good human being.Welcome to humanity.But remember you have thrown away the cloak of islamic ignorance and you free to espouse any thing!

i wonder : did fake chrisdtian deity create coffee ?? no.bcoz no god created world,only nature evoled everything.nature=truth=god.

Proudkafr,

If Atheism can make people become a better human being, then name me one charity endorsed by atheists in the name of atheism to help the needy. I'll bet you'll use non-reliigous affiliated organization and name it atheist.

Hello 'Pl.Help Me'
Congratulations for leaving Islam. You can remain as such for some time and read many varying posts in FFI,Islammonitor.org,and islam-watch.org etc before you decide finaly. Or you can come back to your old home of 'sanatan dharm, with the help of AryaSamaj. But this all has to be done studying your situations and assuring your safety first.

Muslims will find whatever way to escape from this blatant lies. Islam is wrong from the onset-Muhamad lied that he was sent by God. Islam is a total lie and the fruits of lie is what? Further lies. Let me explain. I usually watch zakir naik peace tv, especially his question and answer session. One unsuspecting guy asks a question “Why is islam God famously known as allah?” A thin long man by the name of zakir naik stand up and answer him ” You know allah is a revered God’s name, first mentioned in the bible and then revealed in the quran. In the bible you find Jesus mentioning this name when he utters Elohi, Elohi….shortly before he die. At this point I was about to break my ribs of laughing. Is this the same man who deny Jesus never went to the cross and never died? Finally he finishes by speaking some supersititious arabic words, signalling the end of his session.

Just as ali sina calles zakir as the world greatest showman he truly is. The words “Elohi, elohi” spoke them in such a rapid manner that they sounded as allah, allah. Secondly, does zakir believe Jesus spoke these words on the cross so he believes jesus died!

In fact my point is Islam is a total lie, muhammad knew it, the mullah know it, all muslim apolegetics know it, they just lied and continue to lie to their unsuspecting followers for personal gains, fame, money, power, women and the sort. BTW, the ultimate reason for this satan’s lie is to keep people away from understanding the gospel message.

Why is it that some atheists here will try to divert criticism of Islam towards the Bible? The answer is below:

In my own opinion, anyway, Atheism is the same as Islam. No difference. They are both paganistic and satanic.

Consider these:
1. How does an atheist view homosexuality? Just like the Muslims atheists will say they don't like homosexuals but it is a fact that majority of homosexuals are atheists. Muslims also hate the homosexuals but homosexuality in the Muslim world are rampant. In fact it is more acceptable for them than sexual relationship between a single male and female.

2. Atheists will say they don’t worship anything but the truth is they worship anything they consider priority for their lives, whether it is their career, their supposedly wisdom, drugs, sex, or when it comes to homosexuals, their own sexual desires wanting to have sex with their own kind.

3. Most Atheists will defend Islam to the core. Just take a look at George Galloway, the most outward atheist socialist defender of Islam. George Galloway will defend Islam and all Islamic, and would ignorantly say as such that Islam is peaceful and Hezbollah is not a terrorist organization. Europe as of today lost its backbone because of the secular atheists who admitted millions of Muslims to their countries to make themselves look good to others. Fools always try to make themselves look good but instead end up looking like idiots. I say Idiots because these fools failed to recognize evil. It’s like these foolish people feeling sorry for Satan, the absolute evil, for being forsaken away from God’s kingdom and show their hatred against God because God is not as understanding as them.

4. Last but not the least, Atheists always hate Israel for some reason. Jimmy Carter, another foolish Atheist, like Galloway, defended the satanic Hezbollah and the satanic Palestinians, all Muslims. EU is now trying the best it can to stop the killings of satanic people like the Palestinians and ignore the years of rocket launching towards Israel by Hamas. Muslims and atheists all over the world are congregating to save the spawn of satan we call Palestinians from their destruction while the rest of the enlightened people including most of the FFI contributors here know why Palestinians suffer the way they are suffering the entire time Israel left Gaza. It is because of Islam. These people are cursed since the beginning and they will face the wrath of God no matter how many Atheists and Muslims will try to save them.

freedomfighter67

"Why is it that some atheists here will try to divert criticism of Islam towards the Bible?"

I don't know why some atheists attack Christianity and leave Islam alone. After all they think religion nothing but an absurd superstition created by men. So therefore according to their belief, they should be attacking both Christianity and Islam, along with other religions. Why are they selectively focusing only on Christianity, while ignoring Islam? Maybe they think it is ok to attack Christianity since Christians will not react to their attacks, unlike Muslims who will riot when you criticize their prophet.

"3. Most Atheists will defend Islam to the core. Just take a look at George Galloway, the most outward atheist socialist defender of Islam. George Galloway will defend Islam and all Islamic, and would ignorantly say as such that Islam is peaceful and Hezbollah is not a terrorist organization. Europe as of today lost its backbone because of the secular atheists who admitted millions of Muslims to their countries to make themselves look good to others. Fools always try to make themselves look good but instead end up looking like idiots. I say Idiots because these fools failed to recognize evil. It’s like these foolish people feeling sorry for Satan, the absolute evil, for being forsaken away from God’s kingdom and show their hatred against God because God is not as understanding as them."

That will be Europe's downfall.

Excellent article.

Bible too is full of contradictions and fallacies.

Unlike Christians, Islamists think Quran is word for word from Allah. Showing them the obvious contradictions may work effectively to Muslims.

However, Bible (at the least old testament) and Quran are NOT so different in terms of violence and both old testament and new testament are full of bigotry just like Quran, leaving the violent part aside.

"I don’t know why some atheists attack Christianity and leave Islam alone."

1. Simple... Christians regularly discriminate against atheists...

youtube.com/watch?v=J-tkQ75_Fc0

2. Christians in addition impose their will in public education systems, like teaching of evolution theory.

3. Christians bother non-believers with their taunt and keep shoving their religion on those who do not want to hear bible crap.

"Simple… Christians regularly discriminate against atheists"

Just like muslims, atheists feels discriminated anywhere, anytime. I live in a country which is 45% muslims, 45% christians + other minorities. Our current president and vice prsident are muslims, but you know what? Not a week passes without muslim rantings in our local media of being disciminated by christians and the government. They want the govenment to impose the islamic court laws, wearing of hijab, Friday to be the public holyday just as Sunday is, rubbish! Similarly atheists everywhere feel same way: the governments to revere homosexuality, proclaim in the constitution there is no God, if possible banning of all christian holydays. You know, everything to do with the dark force.

...Christians in addition impose their will in public education systems....

Now you want to play a victim while indeed you are the real opressors. The US constitution is primarily influenced by atheistic ideals. Yet you want to teach your children this atheistic non-sense, A human evolved from an APE, as an absolute truth!

......Christians bother non-believers with their taunt and keep shoving their religion on those who do not want to hear bible crap....

Who is a non-believer? If you do not believe in christ you believe in something else, be allah, hindu gods, money, evolution, science, etc. In each case christians gives their views as you are skeptic of christian beliefs. A belief in allah is challenged primarily by the character of his prophet and the nature of the quran, hindu gods- these are ludicrous, money-nonsense, evolution-absurd, science-subject to scrutiny. The bottom line is exchange of opinions and not shoving something on you.

"Just like muslims, atheists feels discriminated anywhere, anytime. I live in a country which is 45% muslims, 45% christians + other minorities." Muslims rant I agree, but atheists DO NOT make noise without reason. What about Christians making noise everywhere that they are persecuted making mountain out of a mole hill ? Well, that is alright...by the way did u watch the video ?

youtube.com/watch?v=J-tkQ75_Fc0

"Now you want to play a victim while indeed you are the real opressors. The US constitution is primarily influenced by atheistic ideals. Yet you want to teach your children this atheistic non-sense, A human evolved from an APE, as an absolute truth!"

Ahhhh..... Readers, please see the Christian bigotry here.... They want to remove teaching of evolution theory in schools, instead want to substitute that with bible crap.... Public schools teach Science NOT religious fairy tales... If you want fairy tales to be taught to your kids, do that in your Sunday schools. Christians have NO right to force public schools to teach biblical nonsense as Science...

"Who is a non-believer? If you do not believe in christ you believe in something else, be allah, hindu gods, money, evolution, science, etc....."

Science IS NO BELIEF. It is based on objective data and/or experimentation and rigorous methods to prove the hypothesis.

"A belief in allah is challenged primarily by the character of his prophet and the nature of the quran, hindu gods- these are ludicrous, money-nonsense, evolution-absurd, science-subject to scrutiny. "

There is NOTHING more ludicrous than the belief that god comes down as holy ghost and impregnates a jewish/Palestinian woman. There is nothing more evil than a religion which teaches god ordered them to kill suckling infants (1 Samuel 15:3).

One cannot teach nonsense claims that god created Earth and heavens in 6 days as Science. As I said before, objective data interprete Scientifically is what should taught in public schools, NOT some bogus bible fantasies as Science.

As a sequel to this article, Koran is completely absurd. Arguably, Bible contains many contradictions of Koran as mentioned by so many readers here.
However, there is a big difference. Bible has one chapter called Sermon on the Mount (or hill), which is very profound and indicative that someone who wrote that must have known. The same cannot be said about Koran. Also, the character of Jesus and Mohammand is simply not comparable by any stroke of imagination. That largely differentiates Chiristianity from Islam. Even though deeds of Christians in the past have been heinous, they are not the same as that of Islamists in the present. I think deeds of Christians are not anachronous to the present times like the Islamists. You only have to see Talibans, savage and brutal, to reach this conclusions. The comparison between Islam and Christianity is largely uncalled for in the present context.

"I think deeds of Christians are not anachronous to the present times like the Islamists. You only have to see Talibans, savage and brutal, to reach this conclusions"

I agree to this statement in terms of scale and quantity, NOT in terms of brutality of actions. You need to see only a few examples.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/3762630.stm

At Dabbari village, they killed a shopkeeper and his two-year-old son while a farmer and his 10-year-old son were killed in nearby Padmakumar village.

The NLFT wants to throw Bengali settlers out of Tripura and has also called for a ban on celebration of Durga Puja among indigenous tribes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism

The National Liberation Front of Tripura (NLFT) is a rebel group operating in Tripura, North-East India. The NLFT were declared a terrorist organization under the Indian Prevention of Terrorism Act in 2002. The NLFT manifesto says that they want to expand what they describe as the kingdom of God and Christ in Tripura.

Nagaland Rebels

The Nagaland Rebels is a coalition of rebel groups operating in Nagaland, North-East India. The largest of these is the National Socialist Council of Nagaland-Isak-Muivah (NSCN-IM), which is fighting for the establishment of a "Nagaland for Christ". The NSCN-IM have carried out numerous acts of terrorism against the Indian Army, other ethnic groups, and opponents within their own ethnic group. The insurgency has been waged since the 1947 Indian declaration of independence, and has resulted in tens of thousands of deaths.

If you are not a christian and you criticise bible, you must be a moslem and if you cirticise B & Q you must be an atheist! Typical braindead logic of christian?
Charity Ahh the missionary tactic.Bread and book. Hand over the bread and the book to a hungry person.read the book first and then bible! Dont be so proud christian.Demsond tutu said this they ( meaning white s) came in with book and we had the land.By the time we realised , what was happening, we had the book and they had the land! Thats in short christianity and missionary plan for all.
I am not a moslem.But I believe both B & Q contain equally vile. bilious, violent, racist,misogynistic,absurd, stupid,contradictory,anti human teachings and can not be from god.

“I think deeds of Christians are not anachronous to the present times like the Islamists. You only have to see Talibans, savage and brutal, to reach this conclusions”

I agree to this statement in terms of scale and quantity, NOT in terms of brutality of actions. You need to see only a few examples.

news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/3762630.stm

At Dabbari village, they killed a shopkeeper and his two-year-old son while a farmer and his 10-year-old son were killed in nearby Padmakumar village.

The NLFT wants to throw Bengali settlers out of Tripura and has also called for a ban on celebration of Durga Puja among indigenous tribes.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism

The National Liberation Front of Tripura (NLFT) is a rebel group operating in Tripura, North-East India. The NLFT were declared a terrorist organization under the Indian Prevention of Terrorism Act in 2002. The NLFT manifesto says that they want to expand what they describe as the kingdom of God and Christ in Tripura.

Nagaland Rebels

The Nagaland Rebels is a coalition of rebel groups operating in Nagaland, North-East India. The largest of these is the National Socialist Council of Nagaland-Isak-Muivah (NSCN-IM), which is fighting for the establishment of a “Nagaland for Christ”. The NSCN-IM have carried out numerous acts of terrorism against the Indian Army, other ethnic groups, and opponents within their own ethnic group. The insurgency has been waged since the 1947 Indian declaration of independence, and has resulted in tens of thousands of deaths.

I don't know how the christians here arrived at a very wishful conclusion that anybody that is telling the truth about biblical puerile creativity is a muslim, now I have seen a straw man argument before, but none so silly as this one, from one corner of their mouth they say we are muslims pretending to not be, on the other, they claim we are atheists, well make up your damn mind about one thing ok, oh I remember, they talk like the bible, in contradictory tones, well I hate to use vulgar words but let me try, how the heck do you think a muslim will be able to say this: fuck allah, fuck mohammad and the heavenly angels and anybody divine can suck my......, how is that for a pretend muslim.

The problem with these contrdictory tone people is they don't give a rat's ass about total honesty, someone is telling you that he doesnt believe in flying horses with a pedophile prophet on the ride, the sadistic allah and the bible god who promised to torture humans for eternity, or that the earth was created in 4004 BC, that the the earth is flat and talking snakes actually did talk together with virgin births and jesus calling a BAT a BIRD and the rest of the madness AND YOU have the baseless courage to call that person a pretender, well you are the real pretend here, instead of bringing at least a shred of evidence you go on blindly on ad hominems as usual, PUT UP OR SHUT UP

Continum, even though I am not from India, I am familiar with the conditions in parts of India where the Christian terrorist groups are killing the native Hindus. However what I would like to say here is that they are not inspired by the Bible or by the life of Jesus. There are problems even in countries like Korea and Sri Lanka because of the missionaries. However these people are simply not following the instructions of Jesus when they carry out their abominal acts against the follower of the native faiths. Even those Christian terrorists who kill the Hindoos in India dont say that they are killing in the name of Jesus. I accpet that there are lots of crazy people in every religion, Christians are no exception, just like Muslims they too will not settle down for anything less than converting the whole world to their faith. But yo uhave to realise that their stupidities come from the stupid sermons of their priests, fathers, or whatever their religious leaders are called. They don tread the message of the Bible, nor do they follow the path of Jesus, who said that if an enemy strikes your cheek then show him the other cheek. There are some Christian denominations, like the Southern Baptists, who are no less Fanatical than the Muslims. However this come from their altering the true message of Jesus. There are many Christians who dont believe in killing and causing terrorism, which is unlike the Muslims. Therefore to say that Christianity is a millitant religion would be wrong.

Dear BD
I call that foot in the mouth ( your foot in fundies mouth) response.Good job.Keep it going mate.
I must confess though that at least the christians generally tend to be more civilised and slightly more tolerant than moslem cousins.I have seen moslems from 4 different continents and in many countries ( moslem and non moslem) What I notice uniformly is this.Moslems tend to be Stupid, Ignorant,Arrogant,asinine fellows with a short fuse.One will find it impossible to argue with a moslem about allah, mohammad or islam how so ever close one is!
The moslems have a conspiracy theory and uniformly hate Jews, Christians,Shias,Hindus and Buddhists in that order. Whats most interesting is a foot path fruit seller in a small village in remote part of India also hates jews! Has heard of jews and he blames his current misery on jews.If this is not a f***ked up mind due to religion then what is?

BustedDivinity,

1. "that the earth was created in 4004 BC, that the earth is flat "

2. "jesus calling a BAT a BIRD"

Show me where in the Bible did you get the statements above. You better be able to prove this you paganistic atheist. By the way, like I said numerous times here, I don't differentiate atheists, hindus, buddhists, and muslims. They are all one and the same. All of them don't believe in the love of the one true God for us. They are all pagans.

I don't really care if these pagans refuse to see the love of God. It's their business. Pagans deserve to live also. They have to have a chance to see the grace of God. Muslims however are the far left of paganism. They are the embodiment of satan. Through them comes the curse of humanity. They are the ultimate enemy of all, and that's including other pagans like yourself.

Pagans need to see this reality that the Bible offers the love of God. That is the main context of the whole Bible. Pagans, otherwise called the Gentiles, were never cursed in the Bible but are subjects of God's grace that are needed to be saved. If your aim is to disect the Bible into little pieces to find reasons that your belief is true, then of course that's what you get. Read the entire Bible like you're reading a novel and tell me what the main message is and be honest about it. Don't worry about if it's true or not. Is it violence or is it salvation? Now read the entire Qur'an and tell me what the main message is all about. Is it about saving mankind or is it about killing the infidels? Honesty can make a big difference when recognizing the Bible and the Qur'an. If you're not honest enough to recognize this, you're just insulting your intelligence.

Hi proudkafir ; I must say you have disturbed the Christians like "freedomfighter67Who is not free " and "Marie Who gave birth to Jesus without losing her virginity"

According to FF67 "In my own opinion, anyway, Atheism is the same as Islam. No difference. They are both paganistic and satanic."

All Christians believe in Paganism, Islam and Satan(shadow of Christian God) to believe against those so called Evils. Ha Ha Ha Ha

The fact is Islam is just a shadow of Christianity.

When the concept of a flat earth is understood, then only any thing else makes sense! Otheriwse four corners of earth/ edges of earth or holding the earth from edges etc have no meaning! Its all gibberish. Its a different matter that B& its corrupted copy Q are nothing but gibberish.
Shall we proceed??? Flat earth concept in Bible??

"He shakes the earth from its place and makes its pillars tremble. (From the NIV Bible, Job 9:6)"

"Where were you when I laid the earth's foundation? Tell me, if you understand. (From the NIV Bible, Job 38:4)" Isaiah 11:12
12 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH. (KJV) meaning 4 edges meaning flat earth.A cricket ball can not have 4 edges unless ofcourse if its a biblical invention

Revelation 7:1
1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree. (KJV)

Job 38:13
13 That it might take hold of the ENDS OF THE EARTH, that the wicked might be shaken out of it? (KJV)

"The earth takes shape like clay under a seal." (Job 38:14)

This is the same author who spoke of grabbing the earth by its "edges." If the Job author had known the earth was round, would he have referred to edges which don't exist, and would he have compared it to clay seals, which are pressed flat?
Other evidence that the Bible teaches that the earth is flat is found in the following passages. The first is in Matthew:

"[T]he devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them"
(Matthew 4:1-12)
The visions of my head as I lay in bed were these: I saw, and behold, a tree in the midst of the earth; and its height was great. The tree grew and became strong, and its top reached to heaven, and it was visible to the end of the whole earth. (Daniel 4:10-11)

The "whole" earth? No matter how tall the tree was, even if it was only a dream, it would not have been visible from the other side of the earth
Want to know all about how flat fart the earth is feel free to read this site
http://hypertextbook.com/eworld/geocentric.shtml

Believing that a huge tree was visible from the four corners of earth is hmm rational and scientific. But believing that a monkey jumped across the sea to reach another island is stupid.
Daniel 4:10-11
The visions of my head as I lay in bed were these: I saw, and behold, a tree in the midst of the earth; and its height was great. The tree grew and became strong, and its top reached to heaven, and it was visible to the end of the whole earth. Inerrant word of lord jesus!

Matthew 4:8
Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain, and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and the glory of them; The whole earth is invisible even from atop mount everest and not even from space , simply because the earth is not flat like the believers of stupidity want all of us to believe! Earth is some what sphere. Certainly not flat.
Enough evidence to show how absurd the flat earth concept.If I am correct the proud christian is a Nigerian christian most probably from benin area! Am I right?

Leviticus 11:13-20 (New International Version)

Unclean and Detested bird:

13 "These are the "BIRDS" you are to detest and not eat because they are detestable: the eagle, the vulture, the black vulture, 14 the red kite, any kind of black kite, 15 any kind of raven, 16 the horned owl, the screech owl, the gull, any kind of hawk, 17 the little owl, the cormorant, the great owl, 18 the white owl, the desert owl, the osprey, 19 the stork, any kind of heron, the hoopoe and THE BAT, 20 " 'All flying insects that walk on all fours are to be detestable to you.

Deuteronomy 14:11-19 (New International Version)

Unclean Food:

11 You may eat any clean bird. 12 But these you may not eat: the eagle, the vulture, the black vulture, 13 the red kite, the black kite, any kind of falcon, 14 any kind of raven, 15 the horned owl, the screech owl, the gull, any kind of hawk, 16 the little owl, the great owl, the white owl, 17 the desert owl, the osprey, the cormorant, 18 the stork, any kind of heron, the hoopoe and THE BAT, 19 All flying insects that swarm are unclean to you; do not eat them. 20 But any winged creature that is clean you may eat.

Is that enough for you? do you need more verses on this?

Flat earth.

Disregarding the dome, the essential flatness of the earth's surface is required by verses like Daniel 4:10-11. In Daniel, the king “saw a tree of great height at the centre of the earth...reaching with its top to the sky and visible to the earth's farthest bounds.” If the earth were flat, a sufficiently tall tree would be visible to “the earth's farthest bounds,” but this is impossible on a spherical earth. Likewise, in describing the temptation of Jesus by Satan, Matthew 4:8 says, “Once again, the devil took him to a very high mountain, and showed him all the kingdoms of the world [cosmos] in their glory.” Obviously, this would be possible only if the earth were flat. The same is true of Revelation 1:7: “Behold, he is coming with the clouds! Every eye shall see him.

Do you still need more on this? ask any astronomer the implication of the above.

BD(who thinks the mental gymnasts here are really ready for the next olympics)

My my BD did Bible say that??? Horrendous to say the least.
Let us wait, after this Foot in the mouth response of your's, for the people to reply sensibly with out fouling up the board. A trait not too uncommon amongst christian fundies and moslem undies.

The age of the earth.

Let us see what Mr. Bodie Hodge have about the age of the earth, bear in mind that the young earth creationists use this date as their reference, if I see the date an automobile was manufactured, it will be child's play for me to know how old that automobile is, will it not? It is just like the flat earth insinuating verses, if one can be on a high elevation to see all the kingdoms on earth then the fact has been stated, we all know that is not possible on a spherical earth, but what do you know about the fundies?

"Bible doesn’t say explicitly anywhere, “the earth is 6,000 years old.” Good thing it doesn’t; otherwise it would be out of date the following year. But we wouldn’t expect an all-knowing God to make that kind of a mistake.

God gave us something better. In essence, He gave us a “birth certificate.” For example, using my personal birth certificate, I can calculate how old I am at any point. It is similar with the earth. Genesis 1 says that the earth was created on the first day of creation (Genesis 1:1–5). From there, we can begin calculations of the age of the earth.

Let’s do a rough calculation to show how this works. The age of the earth can be estimated by taking the first 5 days of creation (from earth’s creation to Adam), then following the genealogies from Adam to Abraham in Genesis 5 and 11, then adding in the time from Abraham to today.

Adam was created on Day 6, so there were 5 days before him. If we add up the dates from Adam to Abraham, we get about 2,000 years, using the Masoretic Hebrew text of Genesis 5 and 11.3 Whether Christian or secular, most scholars would agree that Abraham lived about 2,000 B.C. (4,000 years ago).

So a simple calculation is:

5 days
+ ~2000 years
+ ~4000 years
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~6000 years
At this point, the first 5 days are negligible. Quite a few people have done this calculation using the Masoretic text (which is what most English translations are based on) and, with careful attention to the biblical details, have arrived at the same time-frame of about 6,000 years, or about 4,000 B.C. Two of the most popular, and perhaps the best in my opinion, are a recent work by Dr. Floyd Jones and a much earlier book by Archbishop James Ussher (1581–1656):"

After all is said and done, if we are really sincere in our quest for truth, does a book with as much weaknesses be our first priority in our quest? How could an omniscient being make so many cock-eyed suggestions in virtually every nook and cranny of his godly book????? and Paul said god is not the author of confusion, how disingenius.

BD(who laughed his head off when a friend said this "we will have the evidence of the 72 virgins at about the same time we have evidence that jesus stayed virgin himself ")

Hey proudkafir, I like that, muslim fundies and christian undies, that's succint.

Bible is as absurd as Koran. Calling Bat a bird is ludicrous (for bible readers, Bat is a mammal!)..
Biblical truth is that not only the earth is flat, but also the sun runs around the earth! We know Galileo story all too well to fall for any biblical bulls.
I wonder what makes these bible faithheads think that they have some monopoly on salvation business? They are brainwashed by their churches that stand in good christian queue and pray hard, and they are saved, so now work on proselytizing low life pagans and swell the numbers!
BTW, Was Jesus saved from the cross? The twelve fools (apostoles) that he gathered were the first ones to run away while he was on the cross. They themselves had no conviction in JC. Then this whole business of salvation was created to rule and fool the gullible. A simple story of Romeo and Juliet would evoke more love than this silly tale called bible!
What about evolution? Is it a biblical fact or a myth as taught in the churches? Check out real life skeleton of T-Rex in NY or Tokyo museum, does the biblical truth say anything about that.

BD, proudkafir, continuum, certainly you must be envious of christians! By the way I now realize why God considered Adams actions a SIN that deserved death. I mean my understanding was God had been too rude of Adam, how could have eating the fruit of tree of knowledge could have resulted into such catastrophic results to the entire humankind? Well just by studying your psychology through you posts, I get it figuredout how God felt about Adam. It appears that, as God predicted, after Adam ate that fruit he gained so much knowledge that he felt he is full capable of everything, I mean no need of God anymore! Similarly atheists are of that fallen Adam nature. They think in Science they can get everything they need. They think of God as such figure which limits their freedom. They think this way: we are not sinful we do not need a saviour, if there is God what is that God to do with us, God go to hell alone!

I've mixed feelings for muslims. Most "good" muslims naturally love God. These muslims, i. e, the unscholarly ones, are like little children who sincerely desire to please God. Usually this type of muslims are the ignorant ones who have never read the quran or ahadith, they only take what they are fed with their mullahs. They are humble people who feel like they cannot live normal lives without that God factor. I live that up to God how he will judge them. All I know is that God is righteous. My opinion is that God is likely to show empathy with these kind of muslims.

Dear Proud christian
Please stick to the questions, will you please?
Is the earth flat? If the earth is described as flat, its absolutely incorrect, even if hindu scriptures say so! There you are.Can you make a no nonsense statement like that.Say after me " if the bible describes earth is flat" then its wrong!" Go on then.You will not go to hell for disbelieving bible.
Say after me" If the bible says the earth is only 6000 years old, it is incorrect even though bible says so."Go on.The gates of heaven are wide open.
repeat after me with conviction" All human beings irrespective of their belief systems may be good or bad, will go to heaven or hell depending on the morally and ethically correct and incorrect deeds they may have done during their life time". there you are Now you are opening your brains. Now quickly shut that book please the Bible.

Proudchristian.

I understand your feelings, however, when you say no need of god anymore, which god do you mean? hundreds if not thousand gods have been claimed by different people through out human history, for someone to think his own is the only right one is equivalent to arrogance, self righteousness and down right intellectual irresponsibility, whatever miracles one can claim from his god could be claimed by another, this is why an evidence is always asked, I will not bash any christian that can come up with a sound evidence, that will be irresposible, but to sit and watch a christian bashing a muslim knowing fully well that the intolerance within the two can be traced back to a common root will be a toal hypocrisy.

As you stated above, nonbelievers or atheists (because you seems to ignore any difference there) display a superiority of knowledge to god is really a cop out, you are the religionist claiming god, we simply ask for a proof, you didn't provide that, you believe in extra-ordinary occurrences, but you fail to bring extra-ordinary evidences, now who is more inflexible about knowledge here?

About your ambivalence towards unscholarly muslims, I appreciate that, but to me they need not worry about such stuff as allah's plan for them or anything, the only thing they should do is to try to be good citizens of their countries who will help anybody disregarding his/her identity, just be good for goodness sake.

BD(who after watching a super hero movie gets this kind of miraculous feeling of wanting to fly out the window and save humanity, but was always able to control the adrenaline rush)

BD, all those viles that you spew about the bible in supposed absurdity and of alleged unscientificity reveals one thing: You simply do not need a divine God. And if there is one, you regard him as your enemy. And for that case you automatically become angry with those who go around bragging about God. The argument is simple. Christians are foolish people who think there is God or try to create one and we gladly accept it. Do you know why? Paul put it this way: "You know the world thinks lowly of us. We're the dumb ones, the unintelligent ones who believe foolish rubbish, they'll tell you. It's ironic that this is exactly what God planned - remember when he spoke hundreds of years ago to Israel, 'I'll destroy the wisdom of the wise, and the intelligence of the intelligent I will bring to nothing.' Yet God exposed man's intelligence -- even my own! -- as pretentious nonsense. The world in all its wisdom and knowledge remains clueless when it comes to knowing God. God's delighted in choosing what the world considers foolish in order that the high and mighty be laid low, and the low and humble be made righteous and upstanding before God.

But LOL! look how God works! even though we have humbled ourselves I am sure we are just as intelligent as you are. Or perhaps more than you. Leaders in the worldly wisdom (science, technology, etc), yet we go around bragging about "absurdity" , the bible.

Supposed Absurdity??? Alleged unscietificity( wht ever that means)
Hmm The dictionary defines suposed as ". assumed as true, regardless of fact; hypothetical: a supposed case.
2. accepted or believed as true, without positive knowledge: the supposed site of an ancient temple.
3. merely thought to be such; imagined: supposed gains.
We never assumed that these are absurdities.We are sure that there are absurdities in both B & Q. its actually you people who are supposing that these are divine revealations.As far as we are concerned they are asinine absurdities.
Alleged definition"
declared or stated to be as described; asserted: The alleged murderer could not be located for questioning.
2. doubtful; suspect; supposed: The alleged cure-all produced no results when it was tested by reputable doctors. We do not doubt even for a second that bible is unscientific.We are quite sure that bible is very unscientific, absurd and stupid just like qrand is.Its you people who are drumming up support for this stupid asinine revealation.Please grant God a bit more intelligence than there is in bible please will you?

....for someone to think his own is the only right one is equivalent to arrogance, self righteousness and down right intellectual irresponsibility.....

You clearly do not understand christianity. Thats why you have such hate when it comes to the bible. No one will read the bible and come out thinking he has got his own God who is the only right one! The Old testament considered by the Jews to be their only holy book, given by their only one God, who is the absolute true God, is blantantly anti-Jewish even more than the quran. Read through the curses they endured throughout the entire Old Testaments, yet they consider it their Holy book! The new testament clearly depicts no man who is rightious on the face of the earth. My point is that if there is God he must be the God of all cultures, and if there the only true holybook it must transcend geographical boundaries, penetrate cultures and reveal sinful character of man, thus able to convince him/her that he needs God to redeem him.

Now I am sure you have read the bible, tell me why shouldn't the hindu or atheist for that matter need Jesus?

Proud Christian
Like everybody has right to his/her beliefs, there is no issue about your belief in your God. The issue is you and your ilk's arrogance to say that you have some superior claim to that God and salvation (as promised in bible), and you have a right to brainwash others into your belief (take a relook at your answer and claim to your superior intelligence!). Then obviously, we have to examine your claim vis-a-vis bible and find that this book propogates complete crap like Koran. Science did not have all answers even at the time of Galileo, it has more answers now. It may still have more years later.
(The world in all its wisdom and knowledge remains clueless when it comes to knowing God....) Why?
Your answer reeks of biblical origin. Naturally, it is absurd, like most of this book is.

To Busteddivinity:

To Busteddivinity:

I guess you are right that the Bible described the bats as birds but Jesus Christ didn't say this. Why do you lie to people here? Are you like the Muslims who use lie as their instrument to attack Christianity? Do you really expect the primitive Israelites to write the words as "flying mammal" to describe the bat? They didn't even have a word for mammal at that time. I thought you are smarter than this.

The same applies to the 6 days of creation. Be advised that the Bible was written by primitive people. Who ever wrote the Bible received the inspiration through a vision, not through dictation like the Qur'an. One day for God can possibly be equal to billions of years to us. Who are you to assume this is not possible? Besides, during the creation, there is no measurement of time of the day yet. Since the writer received this through a vision, and through his primitive mind, the best he can do to measure time of the fast forward effect of the creation of earth through the vision is the concept of his own which is day. Imagine if you’re watching a fast forward effect of a movie and you’re from the time of Moses and you are supposed to describe the length of time of the event in the movie, is it possible that you will tell everyone in your village that the entire one and a half hour movie only happened in few minutes?

The above analysis is just from a regular Christian like me, and I’m not even a scholar. The reason I can see the Bible differently is because I opened my mind and my heart humbly. Arrogance such as yours can make people blind when reading the Bible. That’s why I always say Muslims and Atheists and the rest of the pagans are the same, because they are the ones described in the Bible as those who have eyes but can not see and ears but can not hear.

(Now I am sure you have read the bible, tell me why shouldn’t the hindu or atheist for that matter need Jesus?)

Forget Hindus and atheists, nobody needs bible for being such a silly and absurd book. As for Jesus, when he could not save himself nor could his twelve fools called apostles who actually escaped while he was being nailed, what are you talking about? Are you out of your mind?
(....reveal sinful character of man)
What is this crap? You appear to be brain-washed thoroughly by your church. Close the damn book and open your mind. No man is sinful. Kick your pastor for spreading these lies and creating guilt conscience as instrument to control dummies. period.