Huntington's Prophecies: A Tribute to an Outstanding Political Genius
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PDF versionHarvard educator Samuel Huntington, the most controversial political scientist of the past two decades, breathed his last on 28 December 2008, aged 81. A prophetic genius to some and an evil war-mongering ideologue to others, it is an opportune time to revisit the controversial works of Huntington.
With Marxist-Communist regimes' collapsed ending the Cold War, Francis Fukuyama argued in his influential thesis, The End of History, in 1989 that liberal democracy may signal the end-point of humankind's ideological evolution and the final form of governance, which would eventually be adopted globally. Fukuyama's thesis had two seminal assumptions: a) Triumph of civilized liberal democracy globally, and b) Emergence of a nonconflictual world civilization.
Huntington's Civilizational Clash theory (1993) challenged both assumptions of Fukuyama. Regarding Fukuyama's presumed triumph of civilized liberal democracy globally, Huntington emphasized that "Law and order", "the first prerequisite of Civilization", were evaporating or under threat everywhere—China, Japan and the United States included. Globally, "Civilization seems in many respects to be yielding to barbarism... a global Dark Age possibly descending on humanity," he wrote. Opposed to Fukuyama's proposed emergence of a nonconflictual world civilization, Huntington emphasized that conflicts were not over, but future conflicts would likely be fought along civilizational fault-lines over cultural or religious differences, not between states over ideological (political) or economic reasons. "The clash of civilizations will dominate global politics. The fault lines between civilizations will be the battle lines of the future," he predicted.
Identifying seven to eight major civilizations: Indian, Chinese, Asian, Islamic, Western etc., Huntington emphasized that, instead of converging toward universal liberalism globally, human consciousness within these civilizations is increasingly parochializing: people are becoming increasingly conscious of their cultural, religious or civilizational values and differences.
His thesis gets a significant space for Islamic resurgence, simply because religious revivalism amongst Muslims in recent decades much outweighs the rejuvenation of civilizational or religious consciousness amongst other peoples. Islam has Bloody Borders, Muslims are involved in majority of the world's conflicts, said Huntington and evidently so. "The overwhelming majority of fault line conflicts, however, have taken place along the boundary lopping across Eurasia and Africa that separates Muslims from non-Muslims," he writes, adding, that "wherever one looks along the perimeter of Islam, Muslims have problems living peaceably with their neighbors."
Although Huntington analyzed how different civilizations would likely interplay in reshaping the world-order in the emerging era, his analysis regarding Islam has become a bone of contention. Critics have attacked his whole thesis as a forced construction of an inevitable Islam–West conflict, nonexistent in reality. His Clash of Civilizations, argues British academician Francis Robinson, is based on "the old Western polemic against Islam, Western fears of Islam, and a strong dose of Orientalism." Robinson emphasizes that "there is a long history of the Muslim and the Christian civilizations drawing on each other, and being enriched by each other, and this is a process which, whatever the rhetoric, still continues." With Communism brought down, many critics have argued that argued that the inherently hegemonic and militaristic West needed a new enemy: Huntington's thesis was an effort to invent one. It set out "to identify "new sources" of international conflicts in the post-Cold War world," claims Dr. Ismail Hossein-Zadeh of Drake University. Edward Said, the renowned anti-Orientalist, mockingly called Huntington's thesis "The Clash of Ignorance". He concluded: "'The Clash of Civilizations' thesis is a gimmick like 'The War of the Worlds,' better for reinforcing defensive self-pride than for critical understanding of the bewildering interdependence of our time."
After the September 11, 2001 (9/11) attacks in the United States, media became abuzz with Huntington's thesis: his supporters saw his prophesies being fulfilled; his opponents intensified their attacks on him for deliberately creating a paradigm that may fuel a fateful Islam-West conflict. His more avowed conspiratorial critics suggested that, prompted by Huntington's thesis, the U.S. administration carried out the 9/11 attacks for advancing America's hegemonic interests: the occupation of Afghanistan and Iraq, for example. Ayaan Hirsi Ali coined Huntington's dilemma as follows: "Foretelling the future can be fun for astrologists, prophets and crystal-ball gazers. For academics, it is not. If you get it right, you will be damned like Samuel Huntington. If you get it wrong, you will be called a certified idiot."
Many critics have trashed the idea of Civilization Clash, especially one between Islam and the West. Christian Europe, not Islam, they argue, has been historically intolerant to non-Christians—Jews in Europe, Muslims in Spain. At the same time, Christians, Jews and even Heathens found tolerance, peace and prosperity in Muslim lands. In the abhorrent colonial era, they assert, Christian West captured much of the Muslim and non-Muslim lands. Islam, therefore, can pose no threat to the West. Former U.S. President Bill Clinton asserted that the West has no problems with Islam. To this, Huntington retorted: "The relations between Islam and Christianity, both orthodox and Western, have often have been stormy. Each has been the other's Other. The twentieth century conflict between Liberal Democracy and Marxist-Leninism is only a fleeting and superficial historical phenomenon compared to the continuing and deeply conflictual relations between Islam and Christianity."
The avid critics of Huntington are either ignorant or in denial to assert that there was no problem between Islam and the West. A historical investigation proves Huntington thoroughly correct. Islam's birth under Prophet Muhammad was conflictual with the Pagans, Jews and Christians of Arabia: Pagans were annihilated during his life-time; Jews were expelled or slaughtered and enslaved; Christians were attacked, forcibly converted, or prohibited to baptize their children to turn them all Muslim.
After the prophet's death, Islam's conflict intensified and spread far afield against peoples of all creed, color and race. In two decades, Islam came in conflict with the Christian West when Muslims attacked Mediterranean Islands in 652 CE; it has remained so except for rare brief respites. Who can deny the Muslim occupation of Spain, Sicily, Greece, Hungary, East Europe and the Ottoman attempts to overrun Central and West Europe twice as they seized Vienna in 1529 and 1683? Who can deny the existence of the Crusades, the European colonial occupation—in which Islamic countries became the dominant victim?
Huntington foresaw a solidifying Muslim vs. non-Muslim conflict globally, although the idea of Islam-West conflict has become a buzzword. Undoubtedly, his prophecies vis-à-vis Islam have been turning a reality, if it haven't been so already. More astonishing is his prediction regarding other civilizations, other religions. Hinduism—historically an apolitical, tolerant creed—is becoming increasingly political, jingoistic and militant. While Hindu-Muslim clashes have been rife over the decades, often fueled by Muslims, militant Hindus in recent months have attacked Christians in various parts of India, killing a number of them. Buddhists, the most pacifist creed, is also becoming increasingly political, jingoistic and even militant. Buddhist monks rallied last year for making Buddhism the State Religion of Thailand. Militant Buddhists in Sri Lanka, instigated by monks, have been increasing their attacks on Christians; annoyed by Christian proselytization, they have been attacking and persecuting Christians. A Buddhist mob, led by monks, destroyed a church in July 2008.
The whole gamut of Huntington's thesis—i.e., emergence of conflicts amongst different peoples inspired by cultural and religious differences—is turning a reality; it will only get worse in coming decades. Even Huntington might have been surprised that his prophesies started turning a reality so soon. He knew the role cultures would play in shaping the emerging world-order. That's why he probably opposed the Iraq invasion not to antagonize another culture, although his many critics have held him culpable for fueling the whole conflict.
The Clash of Civilization is not Huntington's only theory that has proved prophetic. His first book, "The Soldier and the State: The Theory and Politics of Civil-Military Relations", published in 1957, endorsed the role of civilian authority over military institutions. Although attracted repulsive reviews at the time, it turned highly influential meriting a 50th anniversary symposium.
"He tended to have views that were unconventional and remarkably prescient. He would have a finger on the pulse of where events were headed," Boston Globe quotes James Perry, Huntington's former graduate student. And undoubtedly so!
He was a prophetically genius political scientist of our time. It may take a while to fill his shoes.
"Hinduism—historically an
"Hinduism—historically an apolitical, tolerant creed—is becoming increasingly political, jingoistic and militant.....A Buddhist mob, led by monks, destroyed a church in July 2008."
Well can you blame the Hindus and Buddhists alone? Christians have a habit of going around and demonizing every non-Christian just like Muslims and Christians have even made terrorist attacks against Hindus and Buddhists. I wonder why this point was NOT highlighted in the article. Buddhists in Sri-Lanka and Hindus in India are reacting to Christian violence for past 10 years. Orissa violence did not start without provocation for 10 years. A Christian member of parliament in India was arrested for plotting and murdering Hindu Swami Laxmananda. Similarly in Sri-Lanka Christian churches are involved with terrorist orgs like LTTE supplying arms to them. In Thailand, Buddhists are forced to do this because of repeated Islamic attacks. It is Christianity and Islam which is forcing Eastern religion followers to take actions.Christian missionaries use their huge loads of wealth for conversion. When Tsunami hit India, Sri-Lanka and Indonesia, these missionaries went to these parts and offered help under the condition that they convert to Christianity. Hindus from India, Buddhists from Sri-Lanka and even Muslims from Indonesia drove these missionaries away and were reported in major news papers. So please spare us the "holier than thou" attitude to us Hindus and Buddhists. Both these communities have been serving poor in their community and others silently without advertising. Do not write bull shit without evidence. http://in.rediff.com/news/2005/jan/24shoba.htm
Christian charity in
Christian charity in action.
Conversion attempts in the time of grief Shobha Warrier in Nagapattinam |
When I entered one of the rows of temporary shelters built for tsunami victims in Pattancherry village in Nagapattinam, I witnessed a minor scuffle in a corner. Some inmates had surrounded a Christian priest and two nuns, and a war of words was going on. "We are Hindus and we want to live as Hindus. Why do you want to convert us?" some young men shouted at the missionaries. The priest said, "We are not here to convert people. We were only offering prayers for your peace of mind." But flashing some pamphlets distributed among them by the three, the inmates snorted, "What does this mean?" The priest had no answer. "Why do you enter our houses and pray?," they asked. "Your nuns do this when our women are alone at home. We know how to pray." The young men were extremely furious. The priest was unruffled. But the nuns were shaken by the sudden surge of animosity from the muscular men. The scuffle went on till the three were forced to leave the place. Day two: As I was visiting the areas close to the sea that were badly affected by the tsunami waves, I saw another angry scene outside another temple in another village. Police jeeps were seen parked outside the temple in Samandapettai. So was a van. Villagers were complaining to the police about a missionary group to which the van belonged. They said the group had taken away to another place their belongings and the relief they had got from nongovernmental organisations and the government, which they had kept inside the temple, because they refused to listen to its missionaries. "They want to try their luck at some other place. Since we resisted, they took away our things. We won't allow this to happen," they said. "Why don't you arrest all of them?" the villagers asked the police. The villagers' torrent of angry words continued. "We have lost everything to the sea. They said they would help us if we followed their religion. What logic is this? Are they here to help us or change our religion?" The police couldn't cool their tempers. The group said it did not take away the belongings of the villagers and insisted that the contents inside the van belonged to it. That evening, some villagers came with the news that the police had arrested the priest they had confronted the previous day. Apparently some angry villagers had gheraoed him, and forced the police to arrest him. "He shouldn't be doing this when we are grieving, when we are suffering. Everything has its time and place," a villager said. When I wanted to talk to the panchayat president and locals of the Karakkalmedu village at Karaikkal, they called me inside the village temple. That was where they met outsiders. The temple has become the centre of activity in the village. Before we started talking, one of them opened the door to the sanctum sanctorum and pointed to a mark left by the strong tsunami waves. They told me that water stopped at the feet of their deity and then receded. "We might have suffered, but our Goddess saved us." This belief had taken the villagers all the more closer to their deity. "That is why it hurts us when others come and tell us that it was because of our God and our belief that we suffered. We won't let anyone exploit us when we are down," the panchayat members asserted.
I wonder why the author does
I wonder why the author does NOT cite any Christian terrorist activities as an example too. I am not ascribing any motive to him.
Christian attacks on Buddhists
http://www.buddhapia.com/eng/tedesco/pic1/list.html
http://tricycleblog.blogspot.com/2004/08/christian-attacks-on-buddhism-i...
Christian Terrorism against Hindus/Buddhists
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism
The National Liberation Front of Tripura (NLFT) is a rebel group operating in Tripura, North-East India. The NLFT were declared a terrorist organization under the Indian Prevention of Terrorism Act in 2002. The NLFT manifesto says that they want to expand what they describe as the kingdom of God and Christ in Tripura.[
The Nagaland Rebels is a coalition of rebel groups operating in Nagaland, North-East India. The largest of these is the National Socialist Council of Nagaland-Isak-Muivah (NSCN-IM), which is fighting for the establishment of a "Nagaland for Christ".
Christian charity in
Christian charity in action.
Some inmates had surrounded a Christian priest and two nuns, and a war of words was going on. “We are Hindus and we want to live as Hindus. Why do you want to convert us?”
continuum, your islamic tactics don't work and your ignorance is shameless. I think it's high time you were banned from this site and found another place where you can practice your taqiyya.
So here we have more lies about priests and nuns converting Hindus. First, priests and nuns are only Catholic. As a former Catholic, I don't speak of a Protestant clergyman calling him a priest: he's a pastor or a minister. Christian priest sounds ridiculous, because there can only be Catholic priests when one speaks of Christian clergymen. An Orthodox priest can be called a priest, but the right word is pope.
To make appropriate distinctions isn't just a futile matter of terminology: knowing who is who and which is which makes you understand if people like continuum and those who write the stories above are worthy of credit. For instance, neither continuum nor the people who invented the story reported by him can make sense of the difference between Catholic and Christian and merrily mix things up so that whatever they say becomes preposterous.
Now, it is IMPOSSIBLE to become a Catholic on the spot in the same way as a non-Moslem becomes a Moslem by pronouncing the shahada. If anybody wants to become a Catholic, their conversion will not be accepted before 3 or 4 years, that's to say until they're sure of the implications of their choice. A conversion may also be rejected.
Nuns cannot convert anyone: before becoming a Catholic it is necessary to be baptised and without receiving this sacrament nobody can be a member of the Catholic Church. Without baptism no-one can be a Catholic. Nuns CANNOT baptise: not only can't they convert people on the spot, but they can't even administer the Sacraments, of which the baptism is one.
It is surprising that the
It is surprising that the author MA Khan has conveniently ignored the genocide practiced by Christianity against the rest of the world. Will he look back into history and tell us why Greek, Roman, Mayan, Incas, Aztec, and many other civilizations were wiped out from the face of the earth? I know some Bible-poodles will say "our holy Jesus didn't teach that in Bible; some people hijacked Xnity and destroyed civilizations". This is very similar to what Muslims say about Islam. Remember, Europe was in dark ages under the clutches of Christianity before some reformers voiced for the separation of the state from religion (Read it as Christianity). Christianity, just like Islam, is a higly intolerant, monotheistic cult. It ridicules non-christians as pagans, heathens, fit for hell etc.
As I have repeatedly
As I have repeatedly mentioned and never tire of mentioning of this.Both christianity and Islam are evil ideologies and base their evilness on the evil twain of Bible and qran. Time and agin I have posted the evil vreses of B & Q .Fundies of both these religions have not been able to refute what I write here, but are quick to use potty mouths. I believe that's the deficiency of these followers who follow vile, venomous, violent qrand and bible. Qran derives its sustenance form Bible and bible is replica of Torah! All these fellas think their scriptures are divine and I have shown how they all copies the old fairy tales from Hinduism and pasted as divine revealations. I do not even for a second believe that hinduism is more divine than the Bible or qrandic followers.But at the least I give it to hindus to gotten over the violent teachings and follow peaceful spiritual side of religion.
Bible and qrandic followers make fun of each other forgetting that each is calling another an idiot for the same reason!
Qrand the toilet tissue says earth is flat and so does the Bible! The crusaders like to peddle Bible as more scientific than qrand , forgetting that they have copied even the fairy tales from Hinduism!
All religions are man Made. period.there is as much divinity in them as there is perfume in toilet tissue after usage.
religion is a disease truth
religion is a disease truth is the cure.all religion r man created.hindus were raped killed and what not for over 1400 yrs.christians raped hindu women,killed millions and destroyed thousands of churces in south india.
same way muslims also did same,so hindus r just paying back,dont say hindus r militant,say they r finallyreacting and wake up from sleep.
pls wake up stupid hindus before sonia sells u out to china/saudi arabia.
Huttington's analysis
Huttington's analysis cannot be said to be unbiased. He seems to be openly siding with the western and christian values. The fact is that mythologies of all religions are fairy-tales. However they do contain certain messages for righteous and ethical conduct. When it comes to spiritualism, true spiritualism is always secular; For the spirit in each of us is the manifestation of the same supreme being, or the same supreme super-conciousness that pervades the entire universe. When you try to understand and be one with that supreme spirits, you cannot have hatred towards other fellow human beings.
It is only the clash of cultural one-up-man-ship or the clash of cultural egos that gives rise to conflict. This clash of civilizational egos occurs only when one culture wants to establish its supremacy and to dominate and subdue other cultures. It soon degenerates from a mere assertion of ethnic or cultural identity to subtle desire for dominance. Thus the noble sounding objective of cultural expression slowly but surely takes the form of political assertion.
Philosophical values of altruism and peaceful co-existence in a spirit of genuine harmonious spirit of brotherhood motivate but a miniscule group of saintly persons. They are always in a miniscule minority in all the cultures and they would never try to spread or propogate any one culture in preference to any other culture. Their concerns are always divorced from political activities.
Both Christianity and Islam have perceptible agenda of proselytising and increasing their followers. The only difference is that Islam pursues its political agenda of ultimate Dar-ul-Islam and direct manner, whereas, Christian missionaries do it in a subtle and sophisticated fashion as is clear from their "relief" activities in the Tsunami affected areas.
The only truely peaceful philosophies are Budhdhism, Jainism, and the Sanathan Dharma (which has been given the name of Hinduism by western scholars), which do not have any political agenda of proselitysing. In this way they are a-political philosophies and as a consequence the followers of these cultures have become endangered "species".
Proudkafir, I am back from
Proudkafir, I am back from fishing!
Fundies of both these religions have not been able to refute what I write here.....
Aaagh! I am frustrated of you putting Christianity and Islam on the same plate. People wrongly regard Islam as an Abrahamic religion which is not. The bible says through Abraham God was to be blessing the world, is Islam a blessing?
Judaism and Christianity are the true Abrahamic religions and you will know this through its blessings. Science and Technology spring from Judeao-Christian culture, Jews and Christians contribute overwhelmingly in the world nobel-peace laureates, world economy is generally controlled by countries with majority christians, freedom is rampant in majority christian countries, etc. Now Proudkafir you may argue otherwise but you cannot deny this. Are you a Hindu?
Christianization efforts in
Christianization efforts in catastrophe devastated areas.......
I think it is not a bad thing to offer relief in these areas, however as I said before, it is impossible to hide the message of hope in Christ Jesus. It will be a bad thing to exchange a relief for the message, I mean to tell people to become christians in order to be given a material relief, because it is unbiblical. But I think it will be twice as bad going into these areas, find people ignorant of Jesus Christ, make an extensive efforts of relief activities and go away without sharing these Good News! lol!
"continuum, your islamic
"continuum, your islamic tactics don’t work and your ignorance is shameless. I think it’s high time you were banned from this site and found another place where you can practice your taqiyya."
Yes yes....Anybody who exposes Christianity along with pedophile prophet followers are Muslims...LOL....Catholics are christians....Protestants are no better than Catholics. They have their own terrorist organiztions like NLFT, NSCN etc. I am NOT claiming anything without evidence. You are foolishly going into technicality of words such as priests etc. Do you think non-Christians give hoots about these things.
Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism,
Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, Mayans and Incas, Paganism and Atheism are one and the same. These are false and pagan religions that existed even before the birth of Judeo-Christian belief. None of these false religions even until today have overcome the Judeo-Christian belief for a reason and that is because there is something missing in them, all of them. All of these false religions do not give us the humility to see human beings as a fallen beings in which help is impossible to achieve from ourselves.
Hinduism, as I noticed that this site has been plagued by many of them and would rather veer off the subject to attacking the Christian faith instead of Islam, is a belief born upon the arrogance of men. It will try to explain the intricacies of life and its meaning through meandering Hindu terminologies which make your brain smells like curry and Indian spices by the time you’re done reading their scriptures. Why not translate those words to a more understandable terms in which all the languages in the world can relate to? The same quality can be seen in Islam. False religions always wanted their readers to get confused and say, “wow, these scriptures have to be truth, because as a human being, I can’t understand crap about what it was trying to relay to me.”
Hindus would also say, “Brahma is everywhere and everything, even in the hearts of those who want to behead me, that’s why I will just give up Bangladesh, Pakistan, and eventually Kashmir to the Muslims, because I respect them, can I have some more chicken curry please? By the way, you untouchables (poverty stricken Hindus) are cursed people because of what you’ve done in your prior life, so you better not stop cleaning our sewer system. Oh crap, the freakin’ Christian missionaries converted them to Christianity, who’s gonna clean our toilets now? I hate these Christian missionaries messing up our way of life.”
Like I said before, India has been plagued with poverty and corruption, and the best Hindus can do is cover these ills of society with colorful festival of spices, the same way Hindus cover up the real enemy which is Islam. This is like pouring curry powder to human manure to cover its smell. India’s economy improved drastically before the global recession and yet the ratio in which Hindus contributed to global charities to help the needy especially their own did not change a bit. This is because of greed and corruption, the ills in which human beings do not have the ability to overcome. The Christian faith however will bare the good fruit of generosity. Christians appreciate the blessings in which we are endowed upon by our belief, therefore we take it as our responsibility to share it with others. Why do you think the USA is the number one contributors of charities in the whole world and not India? It is because the majority of the US religion is Christianity.
My advice to Hindus are to leave this false belief and be brave and face the truth. Islam and Hinduism are both pagan religions. Both are your enemies and not the Judeo-Christian belief. Christians are telling you things you do not like because we care for your salvation. If Christians don’t care we wouldn’t be converting your so called “untouchables” into Christians. We would have just left them as it is, cursed Hindus destined to clean your sewer pipes for life until their sins are forgiven according to your Brahma foolishness.
It's great to see
It's great to see faithfreedom.org in a new avatar!
In response to to the above post:
It will try to explain the intricacies of life and its meaning through meandering Hindu terminologies which make your brain smells like curry and Indian spices by the time you’re done reading their scriptures.
Ah! So the Christian scriptures are very "clear"??? They are not at all confusing?? You're telling me that the Christian scriptures are "perfect"? You don't have any "crappy" stuff at all? I believe what you are trying to say is about the "law of karma"? While extreme belief in fatalistic karma is "dangerous" and "insane", you could try what Krishna tells about Karma:
"Your only duty is to act (right to work) and not to hanker after the fruits (or the results) thereof.' (Gita Chapter II: 47) Be not the purpose of your actions. Let not the work bind and blind you. To work is to worship; with total non-attachment and selfless attitude."
By the way, you untouchables (poverty stricken Hindus) are cursed people because of what you’ve done in your prior life.Oh crap, the freakin’ Christian missionaries converted them to Christianity, who’s gonna clean our toilets now?
Untouchability?! Perfect! By the way, you also have "brahmin" toilet cleaners you know. You could read this article:
http://www.andhranews.net/India/2007/May/10-Brahmins-today-934.asp
Speaking of untouchability, could you perhaps explain why it took the US so long to elect a black man for a president? Even then, he is an "African-American"! Look who's talking:) India had its first "Dalit" president in 1997 (K. R. Narayanan). So though India has had its share of "mistakes", it has admitted to them and is trying to move on.
Why do you think the USA is the number one contributors of charities in the whole world and not India? It is because the majority of the US religion is Christianity.
Actually there is still a couple of months for April 1! With all due respect, do you seriously think that the US is no 1 because of Christianity??? Far from it... It is no 1 because:
1. Tolerant society...accepts just about any "talented" human being from any country! because of their talent..not their religion or race for that matter!
2. Religious freedom exists!
3. It is also because....there is no "US race":)...The US is full of Europeans, Chinese, Indians, Africans etc etc...A great example of the human spirit of tolerance and understanding, something which you seem to be lacking!
and lots more reasons.......
The Christian faith however will bare the good fruit of generosity. Christians appreciate the blessings in which we are endowed upon by our belief, therefore we take it as our responsibility to share it with others.
April 1 is still far away:). Generosity! Would your Chrisitian missionaries/preachers preach about "god" without any monetary benefits?
Islam and Hinduism are both pagan religions
Ah yes! So why don't you throw away the cross (a pagan symbol), the immaculate conception story, the resurrection story etc etc....While you're at it, why not throw out that "beautiful Jesus" statue on the cross which is present in most churches...After that, perhaps you can pinpoint at other religions and call them pagans, heathens, barbarians or whatever!
"Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism,
"Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, Mayans and Incas, Paganism and Atheism are one and the same. These are false and pagan religions that existed even before the birth of Judeo-Christian belief. None of these false religions even until today have overcome the Judeo-Christian belief for a reason and that is because there is something missing in them, all of them."
With the exception of Islam, yes, something was missing in them, namely religious/nonreligious army to propagate their faiths/lack of faith. LOL...
"All of these false religions do not give us the humility to see human beings as a fallen beings in which help is impossible to achieve from ourselves."
This like Muslims claiming only their religio is right is because quran says so...hehehe
“Brahma is everywhere and everything, even in the hearts of those who want to behead me, .............Oh crap, the freakin’ Christian missionaries converted them to Christianity, who’s gonna clean our toilets now? I hate these Christian missionaries messing up our way of life.”
hahahhahhahahahha...that was freaking funny....really....but quite untrue....LOL....
"Like I said before, India has been plagued with poverty and corruption, .....The Christian faith however will bare the good fruit of generosity. .... Why do you think the USA is the number one contributors of charities in the whole world and not India? It is because the majority of the US religion is Christianity."
Yes yes.....we have seen how the freaking charity works as I have quoted already....The reason is simple, Christian bigots are only too eager to convert every damn fellow in the world as themselves, that is why so much "charity" around the world....when in their own backyard, black Americans are homeless and subject to racism from jobs to even schools etc. Blacks lve as segregated community all over America. Take a look at Houston, Chicago or even small University towns like Urbana-Champaign, Collegestation/Bryan etc. Blacks live ina separate locality while whites in rich suburbans. Your churches are segregated and black churches and schools are always substandar...but yes white Christians always spend money of heathens while ignoring the starving, homeless , segregated black Christians in their own land. Take a look at New Orleans and hurricane and corruption there. Investing in poor Christians is just a waste of time...they are already Christians...can you convert them again ?
"My advice to Hindus are to leave this false belief and be brave and face the truth. Islam and Hinduism are both pagan religions. .....If Christians don’t care we wouldn’t be converting your so called “untouchables” into Christians. We would have just left them as it is, cursed Hindus destined to clean your sewer pipes for life until their sins are forgiven according to your Brahma foolishness."
Yes..yes.....We poor pagan Hindus have realized suddenly that Christians love us so much that they even care for our salvation.......I feel like crying now........I know Christians care so much about Hindu untouchables until they convert to Christianity, just like black Christian Americans who no longer exist in white Christian evangelists' view. Now these black untouchables are cleaning your sewers in America as janitors, garbage collectors etc. ...
Yes...yes....Hindu untouchables and Hindus in general are so convinced that Christians care so much for Hindus and even the saalvation of pagan Hindu souls....what angels Christians are.......wow....
Faithfreedom67 is such an
Faithfreedom67 is such an ignorant Christian that he forgets how Dec 25 was adopted by Christians as the b'day of Jesus. Dec 25 was the festival day of Mitras. The cross doesn't belong to Christianity. Even the fables in the bible can be seen in Dead Sea Scrolls, which predate Xnity at least by 4 centuries. Christians are the biggest copy-cats. So Faithfreedom 67, say thanks to paganism for borrowing all mumbo-jumbo.
Another point is that science and technology is not due to Judeo-Christian culture. In fact the Judeo-Christian culture took Europe into Dark ages. If Europe was prospering under Christian rule, why was the State separated from religion (aka Christianity)? Do you remember how Galeleo, Survetius, and other scholars were killed by the Bible-licking Popes, Bishops, and other Church clergy? Read the Old Testament; it is full of unscientific and stupid things.
Excellent article.
Excellent article.
To Freedomfighter67: Why
To Freedomfighter67: Why Americans are so much behind curries then? Go to any city of America; you will find them running after curries. Indian restaurants are full of Americans. Why is that Bible-poodle? Do you know curry has become the national dish of UK? You guys fry dead animals and call it BBQ. Thanks to Hindus, people around the world are eating tasty meals with masalas in it. Who knows you might be eating curries secretly ! LOL... Your style of writing is pretty similar to biblical verses.
So Freedomfighter67, you
So Freedomfighter67, you didn't tell why Christians borrowed Dec 25 as the b'day of baby Jesus! You didn't tell why they copied cross from another religion? I am sure you must be enjoying curries, saying thanks to Hindus. BTW, Indian christians and Muslims cannot live without curries. When will you come to India and educate them to eat pizzas, pastas, and BBQ? Have you booked ur ticket yet?
"Truth hurts huh, Hindus.
"Truth hurts huh, Hindus. LOL, I got you now. I have just proven the foolishness of Hindus here."
Yes...yes....it hurt real bad.....
"I just got swarmed by curry smelling Hindus. By the way hindus, with all due respect, why do you guys smells so funny all the time, I mean not in a good way. Is your smell part of your religion?"
May be if you pull your nose out of jc's ass and wash your nose then you will not smell all that curry....
"Ask any american how the Hindus smell and they’ll tell you they have a real weird smell."
Right..... Last time I had an Indian Christian and American Christian roommate they were stinking like garbage and turned my kitchen floor black cooking all that pork and every dead animal meat... and that was my last Christian roommate ever...LOL....
"Maybe you guys need to leave your religion Hinduism and learn how to take a shower like Jews and Christians do."
Historically stinking Europeans learned from Hindus that it was good idea to take bath once per day at the least. Christians stink up the whole alley when they walk by...LOL...
"Join the rest of the civilized world. Don’t be like the Muslims. By the way, I think you guys got that tradition form religiously taking a bath in a sewer which Hindus called sacred river in India.LOL."
Right.... and Europeans/Christians in general got the tradition of NEVER taking bath for months together....yuck......there is one guy who stinks up the corridor in my University.
So you want to speak about
So you want to speak about cleanliness. Let me give you some history lessons.
When the first Europeans arrived in India, the Moguls refused to speak with them because to the bathing perfuming Moguls they smelt too disgusting.
Both India and China had cleanliness traditions that stretched back 1000s of years old.
Europeans used to bathe once a year and they were stinking like refuse. They leaned from Indians that it is a good idea to take bath once or twice a day. As for smelling curries, I know Indians are a lot more clean than Americans who sometimes stink up the whole room.
"Truth hurts huh, Hindus.
"Truth hurts huh, Hindus. LOL, I got you now."
You really think so..LOL....
"I have just proven the foolishness of Hindus here. I just got swarmed by curry smelling Hindus. By the way hindus, with all due respect, why do you guys smells so funny all the time, I mean not in a good way. Is your smell part of your religion?"
May be you should pull your nose out of jc's ass and wash it with soap and then you may not smell all that curry which jc ate in one of the best Indian restaurants..LOL....
I wonder why Americans and Europeans go in droves to Indian restaurants then ? Some of the Americans (Christians) I know of stink like refuse... Is that part of Christian religion ?
and please tell me why European Christians used to take bath once a year ? They must be smelling like animals or worse... No wonder Moghuls even refused to speak to them Christians....LOL....
"Ask any american how the Hindus smell and they’ll tell you they have a real weird smell. Maybe you guys need to leave your religion Hinduism and learn how to take a shower like Jews and Christians do."
I know many Americans and none of them have told anything like that. Infact I know Europeans who take bath even these days only once a fortnight and stink like you know what.....I do not tell them.
By the way history shows that you Christians learned from Eastern countries how to be clean....LOL...
"Join the rest of the civilized world. Don’t be like the Muslims. By the way, I think you guys got that tradition form religiously taking a bath in a sewer which Hindus called sacred river in India.LOL."
Ganga is clean water from the mountains. It is polluted in some places in major cities, but in many places it has very clean water.
You are emotionally hurt....I can understand it is painful for you when people expose Christian bigotry and racism...
There is a serious problem
There is a serious problem with those who memorise and are mesmerised by the evil twain B & Q. they rapidly lose their brain cells what ever little they had in the beginning and then mouth inanities as gospels!
It is a different matter that the dead jew on the stick did the same and these fellas are copying the same.
99% of westerns are not true christians.They are name sake christians. How do I know? There no infidel women who are being stoned to death, but I am aware that 99.9% of the western women are not fidel! Its not my assumption and its a figure released by the western government for different purposes.There are far too many nuns who suffer from carcinoma of cervix.Did you now that the carcinoma of the cervix is related to surprise surprise, sex! More number parterners, more diverse the partners and earlier the activity, the greater the chances of carcinoma of cervix and there are plenty of NUNs who have this disease. Hmm I think lord has shown them the way to sin with out conceiving.
Man, huntington, was right.
Man, huntington, was right. There is a serious clash between civilizations. I think his view has been vindicated. We have an army of Hindus and Christians ready to kill each other, while the Muslims wait for the right time to pounce on both of them.
Toshiro, you're right! The
Toshiro, you're right! The muzlim apologists on this site are very successful in making sure that we not talk about izlam. Izlam is mixed with any or all other religions (good, bad, or indifferent) and izlam is given cover.
See how well their izlamic deception works... izlam gets a pass as we all fall for their taqiyya. Not only do we mostly allow them to get away with it, the owners of this site allow them to. They hijack and enslave FFI just as izlam has always hijacked and enslaved anything they could find.
So yeah, people like continuum are muzlims practicing their deceptive 'religion' on this site. And they will, mostly, get away with it.
here enjoy some of the
here enjoy some of the absurdities and inanities of the God!
GE 8:21 The odor of Noah's sacrifices was pleasing to the Lord. I can understand if its curried and Barbeques chicken, but just live animal sacrificed and God likes the smell.HMmm no wonder one has to be really stupid to believe B &Q the eviltwain!
GE 9:12-16 God first creates the rainbow. (Note: Apparently the laws having to do with refraction of light were null and void prior to this time.) He haw. Children can you tell me how the rain bow is created? Hmm BY god? Good well done. Now I can see how intelligent are these evil twain readers.
NU 22:21-30 A donkey sees an angel, recognizes it as such, and then speaks in human language (presumably Hebrew) to his master. I am glad the christians in the west do not understand the donkeys!
GE 18:1, 7-8 God eats solid food with Abraham
EX 12:37, NU 1:45-46 The number of men of military age who take part in the Exodus is given as about 600,000. Allowing for women, children, and older men would probably mean that a total of more than 2,000,000 Israelites left Egypt at a time when the whole population of Egypt was less than 2,000,000.
EX 17:14 God says that he will utterly blot out the remembrance of Amalek.
DT 25:19 "... you shall blot out the memory of Amalek from under heaven; you must not forget."
(That remembrance is now permanently preserved in the Bible.)
So on and on the absurdities of the evil B & Q continue. Just google it. Type absurdities of quran and bible!
Muhammad said that camel's urine should be drank as medicine for those who are feeling sick (Bukhari 1:234). He sometimes spat on his clothes (1:242). He let people catch his own spit and then rub it on their faces and skin (3:891). To someone else, he ejected a mouthful of water on them (1:188). After washing himself, Muhammad would give his dirty water to his followers to drink and smear themselves with (1:187-188).
Now let us all introspect.Which is more absurd.Bible or qran!
proudkafir, GE 8:21 The odor
proudkafir,
GE 8:21 The odor of Noah’s sacrifices was pleasing to the Lord. Tell me what is absurd with this verse?
GE 9:12-16 God first creates the rainbow. A writer of this story was not a scientist to understand the details of formation of rainbow. He wrote what he perceived. Whether this verse is absurd or not it does not dictate the message of the bible. The message of the bible is fully understood only when you read the entire bible.
NU 22:21-30 A donkey talking. Mmh! Yea, this is really exciting. This is what makes the bible funny as you read it. Whether absurd or not is out of question we do not base our doctrines through this verse. However,if God is real,is this impossible?
GE 18:1, 7-8 God eats solid food with Abraham. Apart from this Abraham had some other amazing and special encounter with God such as "Yahweh told Abraham, Go and sacrifice your Son, Isaac......
EX 17:14 God says that he will utterly blot out the remembrance of Amalek.
DT 25:19 “… you shall blot out the memory of Amalek from under heaven; you must not forget.” (That remembrance is now permanently preserved in the Bible.)
That's how you have chosen to understand this verse.
Now proudkafir I wish to know
Now proudkafir I wish to know some facts from you. Please in brief can you share with me your life philosophy? Are you a Hindu? What do you think of Jesus Christ: a myth? a mere historical figure who died as any other man can be? or truly was resurrected as his diciples claimed? Now if you consider him to be a dead jew, were his disciples liers? I am urgent to receive your response, as I think we need to discuss these issues quite objectively.
"So yeah, people like
"So yeah, people like continuum are muzlims practicing their deceptive ‘religion’ on this site. And they will, mostly, get away with it."
That is really funny...LOL....You can ask Ibrahim Lone (one of the authors in FFI and islam-watch) about who I am.....He can vouch that I am NOT a pedofile prophet following mooslim.... Muhammad is a child raping, daughter-in-law molesting, lascivious, lying, thieving, looting, genocidal, psychopathic, insane, war lord pissphet and allah is pimp god who provides brothels for pisslamic terrorists.... I hope this satisfies your curiosity and confirms that I am NO mooooslim... Please do not insult me again by calling me mooooslim this way.
"or truly was resurrected as
"or truly was resurrected as his diciples claimed? Now if you consider him to be a dead jew, were his disciples liers? I am urgent to receive your response, as I think we need to discuss these issues quite objectively."
I am sorry to reply here, but do you consider the possibility that bible was written decades after alleged resurrection of Christ ?
You see, I have no problem with Christians as long as they do not go around demonizing other religions and taking advantage of poverty and social issues only to instill hatred for other cultures with the teachings like "you pagans people worship demons" and like statements.
Why can't you Christians behave responsibly and properly ? Why can't you Christians respect other religions ? That is all eastern religious followers ask for, which is NOT too much to ask for.
Tuvong the superman's super
Tuvong the superman's super intelligent arguments
"Ooooh yeah I know the answer because your god is a cows right..LOL!!!!"
"Oooop I know why..your god is a cows right??..LOL!!"
"I know why you don’t believed in miracles..Ooop!! your god is a cows right..LOL!!!"
"Ooop!!! I know why..your god is a cows or is it elephants this time..LOL!!!!"
"Did your god the cows give you that number?? LOL!!!!"
"I strongly believed it must be the cows…..LOL!!!"
Now Christians have started blaming cows and elephants for everything wrong in their bible....LOL.....
Ahh the power of internet! I
Ahh the power of internet! I can be A mossie, a Buddhist, Christian or animist or even a sodi barbarian.
What my views are about christ/mohammad/ram/allah/Buddha/ xyz are neither relevant or pertinent to the remaining readers of the message board.
Objectively looking all I feel is qrandic verses are a corrupted copy of the bible and bible is in itself a copy of Torah and Hindu fairy tales.There is no divinity in any of the teachings of the later editions.The latest entrant qrand has as much spirituality, as used toilet tissue has of coco channell.
what ever my feelings are about the dead jew on a stick, it does not take away the christ's importance to many people! I have no illusion.Want to believe in the nailed fellow, feel free.Dont kill and maim others for their unbelief, that has come from objectivity and rationalisation.
I am a rational human being and so you will be if you stop listening to the dead jew.There is nothing to be proud about being a christian .Bible has to be read with an open mind and the absurdities there in will not make you proud!
I totally disagree with the
I totally disagree with the cleanliness aspect of Hindus pointed out by "freedomfighter67". You are absolutely consumed by Hindu hatred. Please don't forget that ayurveda came from the "Hindus" and which the west is crazy about now.
Ayurveda sees bathing as a therapeutic activity. The morning bath is therefore an important part of the ayurvedic dincharya or daily routine. Bathing has always been accorded the status of a sacred activity in Indian life. During their explorations of ancient India's Indus Valley Civilization in Mohenjo Daro, archaeologists unearthed a large pool-like structure with steps leading down at both ends. This is believed to have been a public bath. In addition, homes in this surprisingly advanced civilization had their own private baths and an elaborate drainage system.
Ancient ayurvedic texts speak of therapeutic baths featuring rose petals, milk, honey, and turmeric. Preceded by a luxurious full-body warm oil massage and followed by the application of rich sandalwood paste and floral waters on the skin, the ayurvedic bath was designed to restore balance to mind, body and spirit.
Ayurvedic texts report many benefits from the healing bath:
It enhances physical energy levels and improves mental clarity.
It helps remove sweat, dirt and environmental toxins from the skin.
It helps relax the mind and balance the emotions.
When there is so much and more being said about a simple thing of daily routine such as a bath, one can imagine the treasure of knowledge that the ancient texts of "Hindu" origin contain. I think freedomfighter67 should do some research before saying such absurd things about Hindus. In my part of India, nobody even likes to look at the face of a person who has not bathed in the morning. What this freedomfighter is saying is totally absurd!!
As for poverty, are not the Moghuls and the British, who looted and raped India of all its natural treasures and its gold responsible for it? It is a wide known fact that the Moghuls and British have amassed tons and tons of precious stones and gold and natural resources from India. Still, the spirit of Hindus has not become "poor". Hindus are hard working and so they are flourishing still in whichever part of the world they are.
Freedomfighter's extreme intolerance to anything Hindu is also evident in what he says about curries. Food and taste buds are matters of personal choice and also the environment that one lives in. There are a lot of inadequacies in western dishes that are not only not appealing to the taste buds but also detrimental to the health as well. It is said that food one eats affects one's thought processes. Freedomfighter, your thoughts really stink!! My Indian curry does not produce the kind of language and thought process that you possess.
I have earlier also written
I have earlier also written repeatedly using foul biblical or qrandic words is not an alternative for erudite arguement! But then you are true followers of the dead jew on the stick and the pedophile.So Do I expect any thing better?? I think not.
When you sacrifice an animal or Human to satisfy the blood thirsty god of yours, the stench that emnates can not be pleasing! Cow dung is any day better .Ohh The joy of cow dung.Apply to your head and some brain cells may grow.
The irrational bible gave that number.Not the elephant or cow god! All creatures great and small are all creations of the super god and certainly not the biblical violent vomitus of god or the excrement allah
The idea of this site is not to spread hatred, but to rationalise the unbelief!
Mouthing biblical absurdities will not make me look unintelligent, but will certainly expose the negative IQ of the bible and qrandic believers.
The message of the bible is
The message of the bible is fully understood only when you read the entire bible.
Ahh I thought the bible like the qrand is clear! Why do you assume that I have not read both?
At least you do notice the funny qualities of Bible like a talking donkey. I have seen many computer using donkeys on this site!
Bible is just like qrand funny,absurd, stupid,violent,malicious,atrocious, boring, repetative and soporific, filled with hatred,prejuidice,selfishness and all human emotions.What they do not have is spirituality.
Rajani you said "You are
Rajani you said "You are absolutely consumed by Hindu hatred"
Shall we say Lord forgive him for he knows not what he is doing!
Islam, Christianity and any
Islam, Christianity and any religion that supports killings or regard anyone that does not follow it's teaching as a the outcast is a BIG LIE, and a serious DECEPTION POINT, we have been quoting killing verses from the old testament and several ethical, historical and blatant lies from both the old and the new testaments, all we ever get is the same tired ass ad hominems and apologetics gibberish from the wishful thinkers, nothing congruous with reality permeates the brain of these fundies, they just love to believe in their fables, scared silly of rational thinking or looking for objective evidences, instead of saying I don't to what they aren't sure of, they chose to have blind faith even if it is demonstratably wrong, how pathetic is that, and don't think am a muslim because I bash xtianity, truth hurts and the reality that the muslims are licenced to kill infidels hurts too.
Ahh how convenient. The
Ahh how convenient.
The christian world is controlling the economy, the scientific knowledge etc.
These scientists and economists are not in the true sense jews and christians.Please do not drag them in and ask them to support your asinine biblical or qrandic gods.
Get me one Nobel prize winner jew to accept this statement from torah" when you take a woman from behind, the child born will be squint eyed!" as the whole truth and nothing but truth, I shall accept your statement that these truth seekers are jews and christians!
Get me one christian nobel prize winner to say that the earth is only 6000 years old and is flat and the sun is going round the arth, I shall accept my defeat.Please do not insult them calling them as christians and jews.They are neither and they are truth seekers and the thing I am sure about is that B & Q are not true at all.
"Please do not insult me
"Please do not insult me again by calling me mooooslim this way."
Then stop giving izlam cover. And stop being a useful idiot for izlam.
RIGHT ON proudkafir, keep it
RIGHT ON proudkafir, keep it coming.
To proudkafir: No I won't say
To proudkafir: No I won't say "forgive him". I would say "Please put some sense in him so that he sees and understands what is right and what is wrong (Vivekbuddhi)" and also "To give me enough intelligence and courage to say and defend what is right."
Continuum, You do not have
Continuum,
You do not have to feel sorry to reply here, but how do you consider the possibility that bible was written decades after alleged resurrection of Christ? The new testament was written describing each and every event that occured in the timeframe begininng with the birth of jesus to the start of his ministry, his death and resurrection ultimately commencing with the advent of ministry of jesus disciples. The details were described with such veracity by mentioning historical people, governments, etc. Consider this verse of the beginning of the book of Acts: "In my former book, Theophilus, I wrote about all that Jesus began to do and to teach until the day he was taken up to heaven, after giving instructions through the Holy Spirit to the apostles he had chosen".... This is Luke mentioning the name of one important historical figure who coould have been traced in history though archeology! Infact the bible is full of the verses of this nature: It happened during the reign of ceaser Tiberius...., During this time Agripa was the Chief Priest, The order came from Ceaser to expel Jews from Rome...You know actual people, actual events, actual places that could be historically traced!
So give us your convincing argument to deny the resurrection.
Where is Notorious Prophet?
Where is Notorious Prophet? In his absence here for quite some time Tuvong, Proudchristianet et al have become bold enough to write any nonsense without the fear of being chastised....by NP.
I have a medical background
I have a medical background and I have worked and am working in moslem and christian places. I have a simple question to both the fundies here.
See the basic essence fo life in every live organism, let us stick to humans here, is the glucose metabolism.Glucose is metabolised in the same way in all of us.Jews, christians, hindus,moslems, atheists,anarchists, etc.If God wanted us to be different, he/she would have created different ways of glucose metabolism. That would have proved that we are all different and so we are right in praying to different gods. Don't tell me that it was the christians who discovered glucose metabolism and so Christianity and biblical god is correct! That's the most asinine comment. we are all seekers of truth the whole truth and nothing but truth. This absolute truth is approached in different ways. Our life time or a man's life time is insufficient to understand the greater truth.Nevertheless we need to seek.Seek the truth and you shall find.Truth is inside you as well! This is not my own philosophy.This was thought off thousands of years ago before the dead jew on the stick spelt it out.
If only God knew this ( biblical God or the allah) he would have created a different way of metabolism of glucose and would have made all the believers superior and the rest inferior. But GOD did not.So he decided to make all the humans have the same glucose metabolism. In other words, try not to seek god through religion and scriptures. As mentioned earlier, its like trying to understand probability theory reading play boy! God does not need any book and that too stupid books like qrand and bible.God is far too intelligent.
.... instead of saying I
.... instead of saying I don’t to what they aren’t sure of, they chose to have blind faith even if it is demonstratably wrong......
I am sure Jesus existed, died and resurrected. I do not believe in this blindly, there are a lot of historical evidence. Now Busted Divinity demonstrate to me that my belief is wrong.
It's incredible to see these
It's incredible to see these covert Moslems and islamised Hindus come here and attack Christianity on a site that was set up in order to expose islam: the very victims of islam are offering us the sorriest sight of all, the sight of what cowardice does to men as they grovel in the dirt.
The Christians of India are an insignificant minority, but it's evident it must be better to attack a tiny minority than to have to deal with hordes of Moslems and their berserk mujahiddin. The idiocies about priests and nuns intent on extorting confessions have been exposed, because converting to Roman Catholicism is far from being as easy as it is to turn Moslems in roughly 30 seconds: it takes years to become a papist.
Consider this: dispite the Brits ruled over India, Anglicans are surprisingly few there. Isn't it sursprising there were no forced mass conversions of the natives to a sect of Christianity headed by the British monarch himself/herself? They could have been turned into both political and religious subjects: why didn't the Brits think of that? Could it be because Church and State are separate entities in the West while Moslems and Hindus are incapable of conceiving a secular society where basic liberties are respected? All you have to do is watch a couple of Indian movies where the Hindus ally with the Moslems against the Christian Western oppressor and you'll get an idea of how hopelessly brain-washed many Indians are: forging the story of a past that never was in order to disregard the plights of the present more easily... That's India. Make a couple of Indian friends and verify it all yourselves if you don't believe my words.
The problems in Nagaland
The problems in Nagaland (where the Christians are more than 3 quarters of the population and are almost all Protestant Baptists) stem from the fact that those are tribal areas inhabited by people who have no place in the Hindu caste-system, so they couldn't or wouldn't want to be Hindus in the first place. Nagaland is the only region of India where English is the official language, because there are lots of different tribes speaking different languages spreading over a very small area. Tribal conflicts there are inevitable and they don't have to depend on religion to break out.
The idea that Hindus are a bunch of peaceful, harmless simpletons is ludicrous: they can be very violent and attack even unprovoked. They attack both Christians and Buddhists, whether they are converts from Hinduism or not, but they will never attack any convert to islam first, because that would mean huge problems. They know Christians and Buddhists will not start a jihad, so slurring them is piece of pie. I'm not saying all Hindus are like that, but this attitude is commoner than anybody could imagine.
Tribal is an ethnic and social label in India: Indians know all too well that the people from tribal areas are different and, as a consequence, are treated differently: they're granted some provileges in education, exactly as the low-caste are. There IS a big social problem here with an history which is at least as old as Hinduism itself. To say that Christianity is the problem is the evidence of cowardice and bad faith, because this problem has been there since before Jesus Christ was born (or invented, if you prefer). The low castes, the untouchables and their grim fate may somehow fit into a certain vision of Hindu society, but the tribal people have no place in it, because they're ethnically and culturally different.
That's the dark side of Hindu wisdom, if you really want to call it wisdom: a society built for an oligarchy. If you're non-Hindus, ask a Hindu what your place would be if you decided to become Hindus. The answer is: none in a Hindu society. Which means you'd be outcastes. Who would want to be an outcaste in a caste-system?
I fail to fathom how exposing
I fail to fathom how exposing the absurdities of both B & Q can be considered as irrational ! If you expose qrandic verses as unbelievably stupid, then the original IE Bible must be equally absurd.How can Bible escape the scrunity?
Qran is the excrement of bible. A corrupted one.
Exposing Biblical absurdities does not necessarily mean that qrandic verses are being supported.
India has a population of 1 billion and making a few friends and then judging the billion odd people, based on that, speaks volumes about the lack of volume in the cranial cavity.Thats because the cells usually disappear after parroting the inanities of bible and banging the head on the floor 5 times a day!
The fear of islam is not the
The fear of islam is not the only problem. Ignorance plays a decisive role, too: so many peace-loving Hindus will tell you all religions teach love for humanity. By all religions they mean also islam. Trust me: they will tell you that and you'll have a hard time trying to explain to them islam is an exception. Many Hindus will defend islam, telling you the terrorists have been trying to hijack it. That's typical Hindu naïveté: seeing is believing.
The exposure of Hinduism to islam has been so long and thorough that most Hindus consider islam just as part of their Indian culture as a minaret is part of the local landscape. They don't consider Christianity has been present in India for a longer time. And that the Moslems finished the job the very Hindus had begun purging the land from Buddhists. Hindus can be too sensitive to truth, so these notions are better left untaught, also because their Moslem brothers may not like to have the truth leak out. The myth that India was a paradise before it was colonised has to live on irrespective of the truth so the Hindus may be nostalgic for a deceitful mirage of a golden age which has never existed: it keeps them from realising they're slumbering on a bed of snakes.
The Hindu caste-system is the biggest problem with Hinduism and that is what explains the conversions of low-caste people to other religions. It's hard to have to admit there are people running from Hinduism, but it's a fact: would any of you wish to live as untouchables all your lives and buy it that you have to live that way for sins committed in previous lives? Come on... It takes someone to wield his sword against you and to keep you down drowning in your ignorance in order to bring you to believe that nonsense. And that much for peaceful and enlightening Hinduism!
Conversions from Hinduism happened when Buddhism flourished, then again when Christianity spread in the South-West of India. Then again with islam (both Sunni and Shi'a and then other converts were won over to syncretic Sikhism), with the difference that islam was and still is a belligerant cult and India is still suffering from it. India was torn apart because of islam, not because of Christianity or Buddhism or any other faith. India was torn apart by Indians turned Moslems who were convinced they were no longer Indians: it was a fratricide and that's what it still is when jihadists sneak in from Pakistan to wreak havoc in the country of, perhaps, their very grandparents, who may as well as have been Hindus.
Aha Proudkafir your latest
Aha Proudkafir your latest post was by far the most intelligent of yours. Especially the line "we are all seekers of truth the whole truth and nothing but truth". So now you are interested in the truth. But you add "try not to seek god through religion and scriptures". This too is an intelligent line.
In short as I have understood you doubt if God is fare in revealing the truth in the bible only, which pose a question what about those hindus or ancient africans (btw I am an African), chinese who were far from knowing a Jewish God, if it is true that the he is the only true God? So what about those who die or died without knowing this jewish God?
As far as I understand and as the bible reveals, it says in chapter 17 of the book of Acts, just urge you to read the entire chapter. "Paul then stood up in the meeting of the Areopagus and said: "Men of Athens! I see that in every way you are very religious. For as I walked around and looked carefully at your objects of worship, I even found an altar with this inscription: TO AN UNKNOWN GOD. Now what you worship as something unknown I am going to proclaim to you. The God who made the world and everything in it is the Lord of heaven and earth and does not live in temples built by hands. And he is not served by human hands, as if he needed anything, because he himself gives all men life and breath and everything else. From one man he made every nation of men, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and he determined the times set for them and the exact places where they should live. God did this so that men would seek him and perhaps reach out for him and find him, though he is not far from each one of us. For in him we live and move and have our being. As some of your own poets have said, 'We are his offspring.' Therefore since we are God's offspring, we should not think that the divine being is like gold or silver or stone—an image made by man's design and skill. In the past God overlooked such ignorance, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent. For he has set a day when he will judge the world with justice by the man he has appointed. He has given proof of this to all men by raising him from the dead."
So the jewish scriptures are very important to understand the truth. God chose to reveal himself this way, through jewish people, and this is simply God's wisdom only. I do not understand his psychology.
About resurrection As a
About resurrection
As a nonbeliever, I dont have to view the resurrection story as a literal truth, since no evidence of the christian god is available, the whole thing comes down to circular reasoning, BELIEVE IN GOD, question: WHAT GOD? answer THE BIBLICAL JESUS, question WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE THAT A GOD BY THE NAME OF J INFLUENCES THE WORLD? answer IT SAID SO IN THE BIBLE, get it?
The reason why the story is called the eye witnesses' accounts is becase of the verse: Luke 1:2 but then consider these:
The said resurrection appearances happened only to Jesus's followers, nobody among the opposing groups saw it. If god actually wanted to show the world this miracle so that his son should be believed as suggested in Mt 12:38-40, or the christian fact that there is life after death as St. Paul wrote in 1Co 15:12-19, then the event was very badly staged. More people should have witnessed the crucifixion and certified that Jesus was really dead. [13] And certainly many more people than just a handful of his followers should have witnessed his return from the dead.
I quote: Theodore
"The Biblical accounts of the resurrection are not consistent and that tends to cast doubt on them. They contradict one another regarding such matters as how many women went to Jesus's tomb, whether it was still dark out, whether Mary Magdalene told people about the tomb, whether she went back to it with them, whether there was just one angel there or two, whether the angels were inside of the tomb or outside, whether they got there before the women and disciples, and what they looked like, whether there were guards at the tomb, whether Peter went there alone, whether Jesus appeared first to him (1Co 15:3-5), whether he appeared at all to Mary Magdalene, whether he appeared to her at the tomb, whether she was then alone, whether she recognized him immediately, and whether it was after the disciples were told, whether Peter went to the tomb before or after the others were told and whether he was alone, whether Jesus appeared specially to two disciples, whether they recognized him immediately, whether he later appeared to the others as the two were speaking or afterwards, whether he scolded the others for not believing the two, whether he appeared to the disciples just once or three times, whether the first appearance was in Galilee, whether they all recognized him immediately, whether he ascended to heaven right afterwards, whether he ascended from Jerusalem (Mark), Bethany (Luke), or Mt. Olivet (Acts), and whether he appeared to the Twelve, to over 500, and then specially to James (1Co 15:5-7)."
HOW CAN THE INERRANT WORD OF GOD BE THIS SUBJECTIVE?
Are we as rational beings to trust accounts that deal with heaven or hell with these kind of inconsistencies?