By Abul Kasem
About ten years ago, while surfing the internet, I chanced upon a web site named Rational Thinking. The name was not so attractive, that I would indulge plenty of time reading its content. Nevertheless, I read the preface, a few essays, and spent several hours searching other information. It was unbelievable that the site was dedicated to expose Islam. For many years, I had fragmented ideas that Islam has its dark side. I was not sure, however, because I dared not ask such questions to anyone, lest I offend a Muslim. Born a Muslim, I knew such questions are blasphemous, and might be fatal. At that time, I thought, I was perhaps the only Muslim who had doubts about Islam’s teachings. When I read those essays, all authored by Dr Ali Sina, I was completely astounded. I could not believe there are people who also have similar ideas about Islam that I have, and who are intrepid enough to confront Islam head on. At that time, apart from another site, www.secularislam.org I did not find any other web sites who dared to criticize Islam.
I was hooked on Rational Thinking web site, read all the essays, mostly written by Dr Ali Sina. Those articles were engaging, incisive, thoughtful and convincing. I verified many of the Qur’anic verses, and found them to be exactly what Dr Sina had quoted. I wrote to Dr Sina, and to my surprise, received a prompt reply. He requested me for my testimony, which I wrote in not‑so‑good English. But it was my first attempt in exposing what I had deeply harbored in my mind for many years. Later, I wrote few other essays that questioned the claims of Islam. Dr Sina published them in his web site.
A couple of years down-Rational Thinking web site encountered problems with its hosting agent (Tripod), and had to be closed down. The spirit of Dr Sina did not die. He designed another webs site named Golshan. At that time a few other ex‑Muslims came forward and joined hands with Dr Sina to form an organization that will launch a movement to confront Islam, because, from the experience of Iran, they felt that Islam is a menace to current civilization. Unless Islam is subdued, Islamist terrorism will engulf the entire world resulting in the loss hundreds and thousands, or perhaps millions of lives.
So, an organization was formed, its name selected through online ballot. Several names were proposed; among them was Faith Freedom, which won the ballot.
Sadly, the organization did not survive. It died before it could even walk. The Islamists had a good laugh witnessing the demise of Islam critics. However, the name Faith Freedom did not die. Through consensus among the surviving members, the word ‘International’ was added and it was decided to create a new web site (FFI). Again, it was Dr Sina who took the full responsibility of the creation and maintenance of this new web site. I consider myself very lucky to be a part of this historic decision.
I remember an Indonesian reader, a professional web designer, volunteered to design FFI as a state of the art web site. It was his painstaking work of countless hours that resulted in the FFI of what it is to day. Later, many other readers who were computer professionals voluntarily worked for FFI to enhance it and up date the technology. Amongst them readily comes into mind the name ‘Doubting Thomas’ (DT) who is instrumental in restoring FFI website when Islamic vandals hijacked it and jammed it. Every time FFI has been hacked and vandalized, DT has worked diligently to restore FFI’s priceless database, and re‑launch FFI with full gusto. Besides these technical volunteers, many erudite readers have also volunteered to be editors and moderators. Now FFI is practically run by volunteers.
I really admire these dedicated people who have silently contributed so much for the day‑to‑day operation of this web site.
The events of 9/11 changed everything. Whatever predictions Dr Sina and the small number of ex‑Muslims were making, it appeared, were about to be fulfilled. The readership of FFI went up by leaps and bounds. From a humble beginning, with perhaps a couple of hundred visitors per day, FFI, today, is visited by between five and ten thousand visitors daily. Its readership has skyrocketed, judging from the e‑mails I receive from every nook and corner of the world. Its membership has jumped from a mere one hundred, during its first few months of operation to more than ten thousands currently. Since July 2004 FFI has been visited by more than twelve million people. Alexa ranks it among the 24000 most popular web sites in the world.
These are great achievements for FFI, for which its readers, authors, contributors, and its voluntary workers should justifiably be proud of.
Today, FFI is no more the site of Dr Sina. FFI belongs to the entire humanity, who wants a world free of Islamist terror and bloodshed, who wants to release the vast number of innocent Muslims, who are the victims of Islam, from the dangerous doctrine. Islam is barbaric, false, and imperialistic-this is the message of FFI to the world.
I have learnt a lot from FFI. It has taught me that Islam can be defeated. It has taught me that with precise knowledge of Islam we can confront Islam at its very base. It has educated me to the fact that the most potent weapons we have to fight Islam are: the Qur’an, ahadith, sunna, sharia, and sirah. Personally, FFI has benefitted me: It has motivated me to meticulously study the Qur’an, hadith, sharia and sirah. If I did not discover FFI, I doubt I would have ever bothered to look into these holy scriptures of Islam.
FFI has been instrumental in developing and fostering so many fantastic talented authors who dare to criticize Islam. I have learnt so much from these new breed of courageous, knowledgeable, and dedicated writers. These brilliant writers deserve a huge accolade from the readers. History will record these intrepid authors as the harbingers of a new era that will be free of Islam.
Perhaps the greatest strength of FFI is that it has launched a grass root movement to demystify Islam, and to subdue Islam so that the civilization will be spared from the barbarism of Islamic incursion.
FFI is unstoppable, very soon FFI will be a household name.
Please note: the historical evolution of FFI is based on writer’s memory. It may not be absolutely precise.
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Abul Kasem writes from Sydney, Australia. Send your comments to nirribilli@gmail.com.
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January 1st, 2009 at 3:02 pm
I entirely agree with you Mr. Abul Kasem.
I am very proud to say that I am a student of Dr. Ali Sina for more than six years now even though I am in my 70s. There is no day in which I do not go through the site and learn. In those days when the website was damaged willfully by some zealous Islamic faithfuls, I was very optimistic that this site will come again more like a phoenix again and again because it is from a man of steel like Dr. Ali Sina, my beloved younger brother. Now it is proved that FFI can never be destroyed by any of these evil-minded wishful thinkers/doers. I am sure the world is going to see Islam-Free world within three decades. All good things will take time but it will succeed because this is based on Truth, and truth and nothing but full truth. At least I want to live to see a trouble free world that is Islam-Free world, (within my lifetime), too ambitious isn’t?
Thanks to you Mr. Abul Kasem for the tributes and really liked it to provoke me his reply
sesraj
January 1st, 2009 at 7:01 pm
In making FFI popular I feel myself a proud warior in exposing the ugly face of Islam and liberating so many muslims from closed thinkings of this black hole.
I was thrilled to read this website two years ago.Since then I have made 100s to read it and distributed its many articals making islam naked to 1000 in my country.
To-day I wish all the great writers of our family a long life in good health so as to further the movement to TRUTH & REASON for the large benifit of humanity and FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION AND SPEECH.
January 2nd, 2009 at 2:16 am
Mr Kasem,
Wonderfull to read about the origins of FFI.
I chanced apon FFI after doing a study of Sydney gang rapist Bilal Skaf and his gang of racist muslim associates . That was four years ago and before that I was unaware of any site exposing this diabolicle scurge on humanity known as islam . Since then I have been an avid reader and always take every opportunity to recomment FFI to others desiring the truth about islam . Dr Sina I have found to be a wonderfull human being always taking the time to respond to any correspondence .I wish him and all at FFI the best .
January 2nd, 2009 at 5:07 am
I would like to say an Urdu couplet here for this occassion ” Zindgi ke Safar mei Chale the Akele, log milte chale gaye, aur Karvaan bantaa chala gaya” Translation “I had started alone in this journey called life, people started gathering up on the way and the caravan got bigger everyday”
January 2nd, 2009 at 7:41 am
The Quran and Islam need to be exposed for what it really is; a religion of hate, suppression and blood. This even more so as Islam itself is very activ spreading the claim that it is the “religion of peace” – which simply is a sample of “al-taqiyya” (”the lawful lie” – something that does not exist in any other big religion, only in Islam).
I also mention http://www.1000mistakes@hotmail.com – (Islam-Watch calls it a “must read”, the Swedish “Sanningen om Islam” quotes that it “proves 100% that something is wrong with the Quran” – and hence with Islam.
January 2nd, 2009 at 10:43 am
I am from south India and I have been doing some research on all the relegions of the world for some time now. To know more and be honest in realisation, one need to know the hypothesis and null hypothesis in depth. for realisation on Islam I am fortunate to read Dr Ali Sina’s article which thro’ lot of light on not only Islam but also how the relegions are being hijacked by vested interested guys. In my opinion my research summarises only one thing ie.
Hindus Feel god is their servent and Just “Pay” a visit to his temple, he will serve them with all their needs.
Christians feel that they are the marketing executive for the brand name called “Jesus” and their brand positioning has been precise.
Islamists feel that they are the Protectors of God, in their term “allah” and god doesent have the capability to protect himself but inturn termed him to return the favour with virgins.
No one seemed to have realised if god belongs to one religion why would he allow other believers’ population to grow. he can very well shut the pipe down and have his believers survive. is he not that mightier or powerful?
One thing I am sure. All of them have forgotten one thing. ‘God per se”
January 2nd, 2009 at 12:19 pm
Dr Sina is heading toward neurosis and all of you his followers are going to be labeled as ‘madman followers’, just as you guys believe the Muslims are!
January 2nd, 2009 at 3:39 pm
Islamic conspiraters are trying to push a resolution in UNO to ban the criticism of Iislam & koran so that the ugly and evil face of islam is not exposed to muslims and others. All 57 muslim contries of IOC are indirectly pressurising UNO to admitt this resolution so that freedom of speech and expression is diluted and any publication or any website criticising islam,jihad,koran, hadiths and terrorism etc will be baned or punished.
Has any body the latest news and the views for such movement in future? will islamists be successfull to suffocate freedom of expression & speech so that ‘islam of hate’ will movefreely in disguise of ‘religion of peace’ un noticed?
January 2nd, 2009 at 4:07 pm
Despite the great effort by Dr. Ali Sina in inseminating the information about the evils of Islam, Muslims are growing by leaps and bounds and are penetrating the Western worlds with vigour each passing day, slowly but surely. The source of inspiration seems to be coming from the unwavering faith of Islamic adherents in the Middle East, particularly Saudi Arabia and Iran. As such, all articles by Dr Sina and his volunteers should be translated into Arabic and focus them on the Arabic speaking world as targetted groups as many of them do not speak English and unaware of Dr Sina great efforts of educating them. In other words, destroy its sources and Islamic will be dead.
January 2nd, 2009 at 5:48 pm
“Islamists feel that they are the Protectors of God, in their term “allah” and god doesent have the capability to protect himself but inturn termed him to return the favour with virgins”
If the Islamic god is all-mighty and powerful, why does he need protecting? This is totally absurd and makes no sense. The creator of the world needs his creation to protect him.
“No one seemed to have realised if god belongs to one religion why would he allow other believers’ population to grow. he can very well shut the pipe down and have his believers survive. is he not that mightier or powerful?”
God does not belong to one religion nor does he belong to anything. God is everywhere. Religion is people’s attempts to reach God, except for Judaism and Christianity where it is God reaching down to humanity. As for why there are many religions with many different gods, I believe at one time the people were cut off from God and religion is their attempt to reach him.
Also the question you ask to goes back to the concept of freewill. Yes God is mighty and powerful, but that does not mean he uses his power to force people to follow him or else he would a dictator.
“One thing I am sure. All of them have forgotten one thing. ‘God per se””
That I totally agree with you.
January 2nd, 2009 at 9:26 pm
If FFI no longer legally belongs to Ali Sina then that can be said but I haven’t read anything else on this. Can you please elaborate? I think that it’s a great idea that Ali take a vacation and let this site and forum get back on track. BTW, I’m not concerned if someone labels me as one of his followers when I know damn well that I’m not.
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We’re bigger than one person.
Remember folks, there is a fine line between a bard and a berserker and Islam can drive many a bard into a berserker. It’s also a chance to understand that we (as individuals) enter into a confrontation with our own psychic Shadows when confronting Islam.
http://psikoloji.fisek.com.tr/jung/shadow.htm
January 3rd, 2009 at 12:18 pm
“It’s also a chance to understand that we (as individuals) enter into a confrontation with our own psychic Shadows when confronting Islam.”
I would like to know: Is that a fact or just your opinion?
January 3rd, 2009 at 2:27 pm
I have been an addict to this site, FFI, since 5 years and have been recommending people to read ffi for understanding Mohammed, Allah & Islam whenever I write in comment columns in net newspapers and certain other websites. In India this site is popular yet nobody dare talk ill of Islam on stage or on public gatherings. I wonder why? I have an impression that people are simply afraid of Islam that’s it!
January 3rd, 2009 at 10:42 pm
i am cherch of igaland, so i don’t do much for relidjion, but i hope i can help, i agree with what someone said, if god is al mighty then why would he nead prateckting, god can pratecked himself, and erm i hope i don’t make people mad and i hope people understand what i am trying to say, it is said that god mad everything right, well if god made everything then, god must have non about the muslim cuntrys doing what they are doing, so god can help you, and inturne you could help god make the muslim cuntrys better places to live, if that dosn’t make sence then i am sorry but i hope it does, thanks for reading how i feel
January 3rd, 2009 at 11:41 pm
Hi Ekxotic,
It’s a fact and one doesn’t have to look further than by reading Sina’s writings and see how one man’s deteriorating psychological condition can spread to others. I had answered to this in another thread even though the question there was: “Why do people who are completely ignorant of Islam hate it so much? ”
http://www.answerbag.com/a_view/5062373
I answered with this:
“Because those people may not be “completely” ignorant about Islam in the second place. They may have a wide range of opinions about Islam in the ” first place” before becoming more acquainted with the central texts of that ideology but many had huge reactions of disgust and nausea upon learning about the acceptability of heinous acts against other human beings and that this kind of behavior is actually permitted in Islam.
If they learn more and don’t become trolls they also learn that most Muslims have it wrong when it comes to Islam being a religion of peace because the vast majority of them are not that well acquainted with their own scriptures and are simply busy living their own lives to understand that they are living in a tangle of cognitive dissonances. It’s called false consciousness and it’s displayed in one manifestation or another in every human society.
It should come as no surprise that non-Muslims are freaking out in billions of different situations globally. After all, who could have ever thought that the Prophet Muhammad would do the heinous things that he did? And that Muslims have preserved these writings showing such things for 1400 years and successfully kept such writings secret until the Internet came about (and even that didn’t happen early on when the Internet started getting big).
After 9-11, many people became curious about Islam and while there were plenty of publicized cases of people converting to Islam hardly any mention was made of those who have left Islam and at great risk. So, those who are extremely wanton and vicious in their statements towards Islam and Muslims are hardly the type to be able to approach it on a multi-dimensional level and maintain a rational attitude over the course of years.
And yes. . . I have seen people go into shock and slowly go insane after becoming deeply acquainted with Islam. It’s no fun to read their rantings and know that they are disintegrating psychologically and much of what you will find on many forums reflects the shock and trauma that resonates strongly in their minds.”
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It may not be a perfect response but then again the guy who posted that question believes in the “perfect religion”. Even so, he isn’t entirely wrong in saying that those who go insane after being exposed to Islam probably were “psychologically weak” in the first place but the real problem is that too many critics of Islam have regressed into a prolonged traumatic phase that can really come out in posts that reek of echolalia more than anything else. They run out of intellectual ammunition and if they write irresponsibly they hurt the image of others who are also critics of Islam. Hold on . . . . . they’ve already done that on the two old forums and undone years of work by others while indulging in their obsessive behaviors which gives legitimacy to Muslims and their leftist allies who can simply refer anybody to the FFI forums to read some of the crap posted there – much of which clearly diverged from the task of exposing Islam.
It’s so bad that plenty of old members won’t even refer FFI to other people who need to find out how bad Islam is. After all, who wants to wade through so much crap just to find the pertinent points when one can refer the curious to other sites? And if they’re like me I hope that they also warn them many anti-Islamic activists are unbalanced nutjobs with clear links to debunked conspiracy theories and various nutjob causes that do not promote democracy. In fact, I let people know that the roots of the current anti-Islamic movement (if there really is a movement) are deeply embedded in Enlightenment values and secular humanism which are generally derided by the likes of Sina since he has no grasp on the underlying dynamics of the West.
January 3rd, 2009 at 11:42 pm
Do people criticize Hindus and their religion openly in India? How about asking for a double quarter pounder at McDonald’s in Mumbai?. Just asking!
January 4th, 2009 at 12:50 am
Well, Ekxotic, that sure is a brain teaser so I guess I’ll have to refer you to the staff at mcspotlight.org for that one.
http://www.mcspotlight.org
January 4th, 2009 at 6:06 am
Hi Ansar al-Zindiqi,
Maybe it is a brain teaser for you, but I was hoping that ‘Vaisakhan’ would be able to answer that question without teasing his brain too much. Again to ‘Vaisakhan’,: What happens when you ask for beef products in Mumbai? And what happens when someone sets up a website that calls Hindu gods ugly apes, fat elephants, etc., make a mockery of their legendary caste system in a deeply insulting way, and suggests that Hindus should start eating beef? What would that ‘Thakray’ guy do to the webmaster? And above all, would you be able to discuss the contents of that website without having half of your bones broken?
PS: I went to http://www.mcspotlight.org but still couldn’t find the answer. Would you be more particular as to where should I go on that website to find the answer?
January 4th, 2009 at 6:37 am
Hi again Ansar al-Zindiqi,
It is also a fact that we cannot determine the mental health of a person who lived 1500 years ago. We simply cannot do that. Muhammad might be sick or he might be healthy. We would never know about it. Would you disagree?
Everyone has his own understanding of everything in life. Islam, or any religion as a matter of fact, cannot be interpreted by ‘one single right way’. This is because there simply cannot be ‘one right way’ anything in life. Not even ordinary things as driving a car to brushing your teeth, let alone something as complex as religion! It is just not possible.
And why should we read Ali Sina to understand Islam properly? If he thinks Muhammad was sick, then I think Ali Sina is much more sick than Muhammad. Or why else would he try to convince the world that a religion of 1.2 billion people be destroyed after being understood through his ‘one right way’? Who is he? He thinks he is the most intelligent person on earth and no one knows more about Islam than he does. But in reality he is so much caught up in his own self-righteousness that if you praise him and agree with him then all is good and you get his blessings. However, a little bit of criticism and questioning and the next thing you know you are either a ‘Muslim apologist’, a pedo apologist’, a ‘troll’, etc. How can you believe such a person? He thinks he has been mutated into a liberal Westerner, but after all those years the only thing he has manged to become is 20 times the radical he was before he started this holy mission. Honestly, how can anyone with even a little bit of sanity believe a person like Ali Sina?
January 4th, 2009 at 9:01 am
Ekxotic says:
It is also a fact that we cannot determine the mental health of a person who lived 1500 years ago. We simply cannot do that. Muhammad might be sick or he might be healthy. We would never know about it. Would you disagree?
A. al-Z.: We cannot determine as approximately a person’s mental health in any day and age except for long, prolonged clinical observations but we can certainly make a decision based on the cumulative evidence which has been preserved by Muslims themselves. I would surmise that with all the recorded material about Muhammad and the deeds he committed that following his example invariably leads to a sick mindset. The real world evidence is to be found in the heinous crimes committed by Muslims who most closely follow his example.
Ekxotic: Everyone has his own understanding of everything in life.
A. al-Z: They sure do and not all of those “understandings of everything in life” are considerate of other “understandings” and seek to undermine and eventually exterminate the societies of those who hold other “understandings of life”. Islam is one of those “understandings” that have that sort of predatory nature.
Ekxotic: Islam, or any religion as a matter of fact, cannot be interpreted by ‘one single right way’. This is because there simply cannot be ‘one right way’ anything in life. Not even ordinary things as driving a car to brushing your teeth, let alone something as complex as religion! It is just not possible.
A. al-Z: Try telling that to some Muslims! LOL
Ekxotic: And why should we read Ali Sina to understand Islam properly?
A. al-Z: I say that we should the writings of anybody who can help others reach even deeper understandings of Islam. Sina has some great articles (and as has been said before) just because one person may be batshit crazy on many things doesn’t mean that that that person is batshit crazy about everything. When it comes to Islam he has provided marvelous insights into how the mindsets of Muslim true believers work.
Ekxotic: If he thinks Muhammad was sick, then I think Ali Sina is much more sick than Muhammad.
A. al-Z.: Just for thinking that Muhammad was sick? If you go by that logic then basically anybody in the past who have criticized cult leaders and tyrants who are or were sick are (by your logic) sick. Please save us the sweeping generalizations.
Ekxotic: Or why else would he try to convince the world that a religion of 1.2 billion people be destroyed after being understood through his ‘one right way’?
A. al-Z; That’s you jumping to conclusions with huge leaps of logic. His call for eradicating Islam is already being accomplished by Muslims who harbor doubts about Islam and find that they are not alone in those doubts. It’s an implosive event if you haven’t noticed already and hardly needs any one person to serve as a firebrand to get the ball of doubt rolling in the minds of so many people who are nominal Muslims and go about their lives without even knowing much about their own ideology.
Yet the urgency of such a message is brought home when one sees how so many Muslims behave in countries where most people are not Muslim. They’re just not simply “angry people from the Middle east” due to colonialism, capitalism or because they are living in poverty. They behave that way because that sort of behavior is tolerated and cultivated within Muslim households and the larger ummah and is fully backed up by the central texts of Islam. That’s not just Ali Sina’s way of looking at Islam. Many others have come to the conclusion that the world needs to learn about what Islam is truly about and what the implications of following such an ideology are. It seems that you would be much happier if the world kept on being as ignorant about Islam before 9-11 than now.
Ekxotic: Who is he?
A. al-Z.: He’s Ali Sina. Or didn’t you know this already?
Ekxotic: He thinks he is the most intelligent person on earth and no one knows more about Islam than he does.
A. al-Z.: Until you can finding any quote of his that states such a thing it’s foolish to make such assertion.
Ekxotic: But in reality he is so much caught up in his own self-righteousness that if you praise him and agree with him then all is good and you get his blessings. However, a little bit of criticism and questioning and the next thing you know you are either a ‘Muslim apologist’, a pedo apologist’, a ‘troll’, etc.
A. al-Z; He can sure come across as an authoritarian can’t he? LOL.
Ekxotic: How can you believe such a person?
A. al-Z.: As I’ve mentioned before . . . . just because a person may be batshit crazy on a range of topics doesn’t necessarily mean that that one person is batshit crazy about all of those topics. Plenty of thinkers from the past have written down nasty, incorrigible things but are still recognized as being authorities in their fields. Or at least a subset of those fields.
Ekxotic: He thinks he has been mutated into a liberal Westerner,
A. al-Z.: He is anything but. However, if there is a quote you can bring here to back up that assertion then all means go ahead or continue to make yourself look silly. If you can bring up evidence of that then you get to make him look silly. As if that hasn’t happened already.
Ekxotic: but after all those years the only thing he has manged to become is 20 times the radical he was before he started this holy mission.
A. al-Z.: How do you know that? You have to provide evidence of what his mindset was like all those years ago to even make that claim.
Ekxotic: Honestly, how can anyone with even a little bit of sanity believe a person like Ali Sina?
A. al-Z.: Well, he was once a Muslim wasn’t he? His crazy statements have shown that being brought up in a rigidly Islamic society can carry residual effects and he isn’t alone. Just look at how some ex-Muslims still get defensive about Islam and continue to harbor stupid resentments towards Jews and others. Even while some of them would like to bring a level of dhimmification to the public discourse over Islam via censorship (that’s not going to happen here) and have a lot of work to do before they can even come close to appreciating the world around them. It just goes to show that many people can only get their heads out of the sand in increments and as time goes on taking such “babysteps” leads to frequent stumblings. Such is life outside of Islam and whatever incorrigible, grotesque behaviors and attitudes they may have they have taken the right step and left Islam. Even if their incorrigible, grotesque bahaviors and attitudes lose them a lot of respect and are a direct reflection of what being a Muslim can do to people even after they have left the ummah.
January 4th, 2009 at 10:14 am
Ansar al-Zindiqi: I would just love to see that ‘authoritarian’ replying to my rebuttal. Why isn’t he doing that? And why he is not even answering my emails. How logical and authoritarian is that? Is he scared of me?
January 4th, 2009 at 10:35 am
Greetings all. This is Amin Abdullah. I have done much research in the past and I consider myself to be a spiritualist, building my beliefs from many different teachings and incorporating my own ideas into it as well. As such, it cannot be considered a religion as it will not, probably never be finnished. I have learned much from Terence, Tatas Talaikas, Koubin, Susan Carol, Cathleen Garber and other tutors. So I’ll post another link for you to go to and I think that this site and this other site should merge together. Good luck researching and thank you for reading. http://www.prophetofdoom.net/ Please give feedback if you do visit the site. I’m looking forward to hearing from you all.
January 4th, 2009 at 11:18 am
Yes, in India any tom, dick and harry can criticize Hinduism openly yet stay alive and dont have to go hiding like Salman Rushdi or Taslima Nasreen ever since they critisized Islam. During the time Lord Krishna, there was one atheist named Charvakan who openly declared “There is no God” and not only nobody nailed his ass to the corss but people revered him as a saint. Don’t you know 99% communists who profess atheism in India are from Hindu community? As far as meat eating is concerned, I don’t eat meat for the simple reason that I abhore killing not just human beings but any living organism. Whenever I see people queiing up in front of meat shop I imagine myself being tied behand back and broughtf in front of a butcher or for that matter a jihadi..I am simply terrified…same must be the feeling of animals brought to slaughterhouse..only thing they cannot say or talk or communicate..no, humans know that and yet kill them willingly .see life is the most precious thing for humans and animals too. But for survival sake we have to eat something, so I prefer the lowest form of life like vegetables and fruits. As far as rediculing hindu gods are concerned, it all depends the individual or groups knowledge on this matter, temperament etc. Simply put “God, they do not know what they are saying/doing, forgive them”. Regarding caste system, it was the so called upper caste people, brahmanas, who hijacked the beautiful meaningful ‘varnasramadharma’ or ‘caste’ for their easy living. They (brahmanas) appropriated for themselves the knowledge in vedas, sastras, puranas etc. at the same time denied the knowledge to the so called lower caste people, sudras. This is the reason why hindus degenerated to such a level that many of them opted for Christianity, Islam and lately communism. But I can say it with certainty that there was/is nothing wrong with original ‘caste’ system propounded by Lord Krishna in His Bhagavad Gita.
January 4th, 2009 at 1:03 pm
Thanks for the reply Vaisakhan, but when I asked things about India I actually meant the present day India and not from the time of Lord Krishna. Anyway, I am just wondering, has anyone ever written an insulting book on Hindu gods or Hinduism? I mean a book against Hinduism that matches the insulting remarks of Ali Sina or Salman Rushdie? If there is such a book, is this book freely available in India? Or is there a website that says ‘Hinduism’ must be eradicated for whatever reasons? If there was such a website, would it be openly acceptable in secular India? Why beef is not permitted to be sold in secular India? Why cows cannot be slaughtered? What happens if a Muslim slaughters a cow in Mumbai? You guys all make look India so good. But the truth is far from it: In a Hindu-dominated country, no other race dare such a venture as insulting Hindu gods or making a mockery of that religion in a deeply insulting way. Or do so and prepare to face the brutal consequences. Isn’t that true? An Indian friend of mine once told me that the famous Peter Seller film ‘The Party’ was banned in India by Indra Ghandi. If that is true then why was it banned in such a open minded country? And someone also told me about Shiv Sena burning some fast food restaurants for selling beef or meat in Mumbai. Someone else said beef is not on the menu of McDonald’s in secular India! Do you call that open mindedness and secularism or open repression and suppression?
We can say whatever about Muslims and their intolerance, but do not forget the fact that they also receive much much more criticism of their religion and beliefs than any other race, say for instance, Hindus. If Hindus were to be mocked and insulted by some guy like Ali Sina, I am sure they would have reacted in a similar way.
January 4th, 2009 at 1:33 pm
As far as I know hinduism is the religion most criticized since milleniums with the result it has evolved over time. Regarding criticism on hinduism I haven’t read any books or saw any websites yet. Frankly, I don’t care, I didn’t go searching for it because I know what is hinduism. Sadly, 99% hindus do not know even the name of hinduism which is Sanatana Dharma. In the present day India we can see hindus as a cowardous ignorant lot as against militant satanic forces of Islam. The father of nation Mahatma Gandhi through his ‘ahimsa’ or non-violence as weapon against the mighty Britishers made hindus into vegetables unwilling and unable to fight even for their survival. Finally, if someone mocked hinduism like Dr. Ali Sina does to Islam, nothing is going to happen. Hindus will simply shrug it off.
January 4th, 2009 at 2:28 pm
“Finally, if someone mocked hinduism like Dr. Ali Sina does to Islam, nothing is going to happen. Hindus will simply shrug it off”
What is it called? Wishful thinking?
January 4th, 2009 at 6:33 pm
@Ekxotic I have been to McDonalds and asked for beef. They just said they dont serve it. I asked coz i dont stay in india and I eat beef. Noo ne raised an eyebrow. By birth I am a hindu brahmin. Not one Indian I know ever questioned me about what I eat and why i eat on the basis of religion. And i come from a family in which my mother wouldnt even have food which was used to make or cook egg products. You cannot be a true believer unless u have freedom to believe whatever u like.
Regarding ur comments about anti-hindu comments in India. In contemprorary history, The father of the Indian constitution, Dr. Ambedkar was absolutely against Hinduism because he thought the Hindu System of castes was inhuman. Infact he went to convert the entire untouchable population which revered him from Hinduism to Buddhism. The reason he was chosen to be the father of the constitution was because he was an “untouchable” himself and Gandhi who was a Hindu believed only Ambedkar could do justice to those marginalized for centuries. Hence India has close to 50% reservations for for those historically marginalized. 50% reservations is actually a gross understatement (if u wish to know more do a little research).
In india if you attack hinduism publicly like Ali Sina does to Islam in India, yes you will face a lot of protests but i promise you it wont be from religious leaders. It will be from members of purely political parties. If you attack it on the web u will be surprised by the results. No one will even care. Hinduism can be interprated in anywhich way you want. Hinduism in my personal opinion has evolved over thousands of years and has thousands of different gods who have said thousands of different things which can be interprated in thousands of different ways. You just cannot prove anything (which is a good thing because it creates free thinkers). One of the beliefs that every hindu I know has is that god is in everything. Which means that my mom also think that the preacher she listens to is also an incarnation of god. And Hinduism doesnt object to it in any way.
In fact, Sai Baba, one of the most popular figures in western India is revered both by Muslims and Hindus. he was originally a muslim but has millions of Hindu followers who believe he is an incarnation of god(ofcourse he is not the only god for them). Research a little on him and you will see what i mean.
January 4th, 2009 at 6:33 pm
I’m pretty sure that (for the most part) most Hindus would look at it, go along with some of it and disagree with other bits and keep on living their own lives. Why ask such a question? Do you have a wish that Hindus be just as violent as Muslims a so that you can have a triumphant feeling about whatever position you take on the wide subject of religion?
January 4th, 2009 at 6:37 pm
correction: Sai Baba was “always a muslim” not “originally a muslim”
January 4th, 2009 at 6:58 pm
Some more titbits from India coz we like bragging about our extreme secularism which borders on appeasement of minorities at the cost of the majority
. Muslims in India live by a different set of rules which are according to their religious beliefs. For example Muslims have their own marriage and divorce laws unlike everyone else. And these guarantees are provided for in the constitution.
Since you also ask why beef is not permitted its because all religions have their own rules and the constitution tries to cater to everyone. A hindu cannot have four wives even if he wants although muslims can. Similarly muslims cannot have beef even if they want. Those are the costs of Indian style secularism. You win some you loose some.
January 4th, 2009 at 7:09 pm
…and then there are idiots like Vaisakhan above who think that because hinduism has very few radicals they are cowards. Fortunately hinduism is more of philosophy then religion really to be taken over by over zealous idiots like him.
January 4th, 2009 at 7:39 pm
Dear Exotic, you have said a lot of things about India. Who told you that Beef is not available in India? It is available in most parts of India, excluding two or three Northern states . In fact if you go to Kerela, Goa or anywhere in the North East, you will find beef listed in the main menu. As far as criticizing Hinduism and Hindus is concerned, you ca read the syllabus books on Indian history approved by the Indian Government. I feel even the biggest Muslim bigot will satisfied with the sublime hatred for the native religions in those books. Foreign publications criticizing Hinduism are far too many and there are several websites which do this job as well. So I don’t understand why are you so angry. Muslims have been saying openly that Hinduism should be wiped off the face of this earth, both in India as well as Pakistan. You would not need websites or books after that, would you? Now if eating beef is your definition of secularism then God help the poor Jains.
January 4th, 2009 at 11:38 pm
As a western woman who converted to islam in the 90s and came out of it, I thank Ali sina, Abul kasem and all the writers of FFI for exposing this murder and rape cult islam.
January 5th, 2009 at 1:49 am
Dear Nishant, I have never been to India and it did surprise me to read that ‘no one would care’ if someone started an extremely offensive website against Hinduism in India, just as FFI is against Islam. Or only the ‘political parties’ would retaliate. I myself have friends from all over the world including of course India. Most of my Indian friends are Hindus and true they don’t care about their religion as much as an average Muslims does. But they can be just as much radicals as Muslims because I can clearly see the violent attitude in them showing up as soon as you start saying derogatory things about their religion or gods. For example, most are very touchy about even touching beef, let alone eating it. I was touched the picture of a Hindu god in my friend’s room after having eaten meat. The friend got quite pissed off and told me in a half threatening half-warning tone not to do it again. I told him it was a mistake but he was insistent that I did it on purpose. My point remains the same: Hindus DO NOT face criticism of their belief system nowhere as much as the Muslims do. There is no website in the world run by some crazy lunatic advising the world to join the cause of eradicating Hinduism for whatever reasons. If there was, I am pretty sure it would have been banned in India to start with. What we see from Muslims is a defensive reaction. And mind you, suicide bomber blowing up people and crashing planes into skyscrapers also do not represent common Muslim population. Those are only a handful of brainless and brainwashed pawns used purely for political gain or revenge. Almost the entire common Muslim population DO NOT support their actions.
You wrote, “A hindu cannot have four wives even if he wants although muslims can. Similarly muslims cannot have beef even if they want. Those are the costs of Indian style secularism. You win some you loose some.”
I am surprised you call this ‘secularism’. But then again, as you said, it is the ‘Indian style secularism’. Just a question out of curiosity thought: When you prohibit the sale of beef in India, who actually wins apart from Hindus? And when Muslims can have multiple wives and Hindus cannot, then who is on the winning side and who is on the losing side? Muslims win and Hindus lose? You are saying ‘polygamy’ is acceptable and moral in Hinduism as it is in Islam?
January 5th, 2009 at 2:11 am
Dear Ibrahim Lone: Who told you I was angry? Asserting your point is quite different from being angry, don’t you think? Anyway, an Indian friend of mine told me once that beef is not allowed to be sold in India, and the beef you can find in India is ‘buffalo meat’ and not ‘cow meat’. He also said that slaughtering cows is prohibited by law in India. Not sure if it is true. That’s what he told me! What do you say to this?
Eating beef is not my definition of secularism, but forcing an International chain not to sell it’s main items because it would piss off the Hindus is my definition of ’secularism gone too Indian’. What do you say to this?
January 5th, 2009 at 2:25 am
Holy Cow ! Where is the beef ?
PROF. D. N. JHA, a historian from Delhi University, makes clear in his book
“Holy Cow: Beef in Indian Dietary Traditions.” that Vedic Hindus gorged themselves on beef and cows were the animal of choice for ritual sacrifice.
Vegetarianism as such has no place in Hindu scriptures.
It entered Hindu ethos via Budhism and Jainism ….and Gandhism
I am a non-Hindu vegan and I see no beef (sic) in the post by Exotic.
Nice post Mr. Abul Kasam. Thank you.
January 5th, 2009 at 2:40 am
“Hindus DO NOT face criticism of their belief system nowhere as much as the Muslims do”………Ekxotic
Surely your bile is acting up. Otherwise you would not utter such a blashemy
Kancha Ilaiah, the author of ” Why I am not a Hindu” enjoys a celebrity status in India and his book was a best seller.
But, ” Why I am Not a Muslim” by Ibn Warraq is banned in India so the Muslims don’t go berserk as they did for “satanic Verses” even though India was the First country to ban it.
January 5th, 2009 at 5:03 am
Dear farishta: Why start a pointless debate as to what the Vedic or whatever they were called were gorging on centuries ago? Why don’t you answer why McDonald’s can’t sell beef burgers in India, something it is famous for all over the world? So the Hindus don’t go ‘berserk’ and burn down their restaurants, just like Shiv Sena did?
Kancha LLaiah! Honestly, I had no clue about such an existence and his masterpiece bestseller until you mentioned it. He may have written something but until I read that best-selling masterpiece by this fellow myself, I really can’t say anything about it. Is it just as offensive as Ali Sina’s writings? Does it call Hindu ape god something like ugly, hairy, ape-like god? Any mentioning that Ram or Krishan might have raped Sita multiple times? And does that celebrity Mr or Ms llaiah also run a website calling all the world to eradicate the very existence of Hinduism by converting all the Hindus to atheism?
And i have no idea what this line means:
“I am a non-Hindu vegan and I see no beef (sic) in the post by Exotic. “
January 5th, 2009 at 5:38 am
Yes, Im sure FFI will be succeed in apostating many muslim. But let me remind you this, All of your effort will be backfired, and many muslim or non-muslim want to learn Islam more, more people will be curious to Islam. And if they found out that Islam is not anything that this site says, they will convert to Islam. FFI will do no harm to Islam, FFI will make it stronger. And eventually FFI will give it’s contribution to the rise of Islam.
January 5th, 2009 at 6:14 am
“we are against hate, not faith”
Funny slogan. Your campaign against Islam is using people who hate Islam to participate in your forum. And those people using his hate to criticize and insult Islam. Which will raising hate toward Islam to those who read your forums.
January 5th, 2009 at 7:06 am
Dear Exotic
“I have never been to India and it did surprise me to read that ‘no one would care’ if someone started an extremely offensive website against Hinduism in India, just as FFI is against Islam.”
Didnt I just tell you Dr. Ambedkar was so pissed off that he converted the entire “untouchable” population to Buddhism ? The reason why no one could argue with him was because what he said was true and the caste system was indeed an ugly face of Hinduism gone awry (however let me also assert that there is no concept of “untouchables”in hinduism). Indian Swami’s didnt let loose assasins behind Ambedkar to beam him up before he could do what he wished. And he didnt do it covertly. Infact he invited priests from all religion to present their case on why the “untouchables” should should their religion including hindu swamis. He finally chose buddhism after a prolonged assessment. The same goes for Ali Sina. If you can prove that what he is saying is wrong go ahead and present your case. He has himself said he will take his website down. Otherwise admit that Islam went wild somewhere and those who do not believe in it should be left to choose what they believe for themselves.
Or only the ‘political parties’ would retaliate.
That is my personal guarantee.
“I myself have friends from all over the world including of course India. Most of my Indian friends are Hindus and true they don’t care about their religion as much as an average Muslims does. But they can be just as much radicals as Muslims because I can clearly see the violent attitude in them showing up as soon as you start saying derogatory things about their religion or gods.”
Again back to Ambedkar. He had “been there done that” then goes ahead and says it sucks. Nobody can do fuck about it. Yet people listen coz it has to be true if your brother is saying it. If you have not “been there done that” and you say offensive stuff its definitely going to be a pissing match. Same goes for Ali Sina. The only anti-islam stuff I read about is Sina’s and some former jihadi turned christian videos. Coz ur former brothers are saying it so it has to be true. And in my opinion Sina presents a very solid case in his defence. This reminds me of what out Sikh Prime Minister said years back about liberalization of Indian market policies. “No force in this world can stop an idea whose time has come”.
“For example, most are very touchy about even touching beef, let alone eating it. I was touched the picture of a Hindu god in my friend’s room after having eaten meat. The friend got quite pissed off and told me in a half threatening half-warning tone not to do it again.I told him it was a mistake but he was insistent that I did it on purpose.”
My sis in law will vomit if after having food you tell her the vessel in which the food was prepared was used to cook meat earlier with no meat anywhere near in a hundred miles. Being touchy is an understatement.
. The apathy is towards killing anything. Eating it for her would be 3rd degree torture.
However I dont know what kinda friends you have for not letting you touch a pic. Please do come to India sometime I will show you around with my friends.
“My point remains the same: Hindus DO NOT face criticism of their belief system nowhere as much as the Muslims do. There is no website in the world run by some crazy lunatic advising the world to join the cause of eradicating Hinduism for whatever reasons. If there was, I am pretty sure it would have been banned in India to start with. What we see from Muslims is a defensive reaction.”
Please do not make a point that is not true. Hindu’s have faced enough criticism. And some people have taken their beliefs to their logical ends ie changed their faith. Hinduism never tries to force anything on anyone (by design or by accident). The reason not many people critize it is because on an individual level you have all the right to believe in whatever you want. If you fancy you can create your own new god and worship. That hardly leaves anything to critize.
“And mind you, suicide bomber blowing up people and crashing planes into skyscrapers also do not represent common Muslim population. Those are only a handful of brainless and brainwashed pawns used purely for political gain or revenge. Almost the entire common Muslim population DO NOT support their actions.”
I agree. But I also feel that there never are unequivocal voices againts such dastardly acts from muslims in general. And being so closed about your community affairs it does leave a lot of room for suspicion to outsiders. Infact I just watched Dr. Zakir Naiks video yesterday(coz he is massively popular in India). Someone asked him what is his opinion on the 911. He first said he was completely against killing anyone. Then he watered it down by indulging in sleight of words. “I however think that America is the biggest terrorist and infact we should all become terrorists again terrorists of the world.” It looks innocent at first sight but it isnt. He is a smart enough man to realize what he is saying. And then you hear all the clapping from the audience. Its nasty(and please do not think I am a great fan of American foreign policies). And it leaves me very suspicious about what the muslim majority discuss behind closed doors about terrorists and their ilk. Dont you think its time you guys cleaned up your house.
“You wrote, “A hindu cannot have four wives even if he wants although muslims can. Similarly muslims cannot have beef even if they want. Those are the costs of Indian style secularism. You win some you loose some.”
I am surprised you call this ‘secularism’. But then again, as you said, it is the ‘Indian style secularism’. Just a question out of curiosity thought: When you prohibit the sale of beef in India, who actually wins apart from Hindus? And when Muslims can have multiple wives and Hindus cannot, then who is on the winning side and who is on the losing side? Muslims win and Hindus lose? You are saying ‘polygamy’ is acceptable and moral in Hinduism as it is in Islam?”
Yes. Lord Krishna from Mahabharata had many wives. More than a hundred if I remember right. Lord Rama’s father had three wives and was actually the cause of the entire drama
. Forget about that. Draupadi one of the central characters of Mahabharata had five husbands. And she was married to the good guys. Like I said you’ll find everything somewhere in Hinduism.
Monogamy is a contemprorary idea and moral. Its an idea you can see sense in if you let go of all ur dogmas. Fortunately or unfortunately Muslims wouldnt let go of it so there Ambedkar said I’ll jot that down in the constitution. Triple talak in its ugliest form as was practiced in India was and is an insult to womens dignity. But for the sake of appeasement that was jotted down in the constitution as well.
So who’s winning now? Fortunately most Indian muslims I know dont look at things in terms of winning and loosing. Its about living in peace. Ideal secularism is a dream and a fallacy. Its all about give and take. Thats Indian style secularism i like bragging about!!
January 5th, 2009 at 8:05 am
Nishant: Long but otherwise how pointless the whole answer is. I have proved without any slightest doubt that Ali Sina is wrong. I posted a rebuttal in his foruem which he never answered. Tell your Ali Sina to answer that rebuttal and stop being a chicken scholar.
January 5th, 2009 at 9:14 am
@Ekxotic
Mention any name of any organization or individual that comes to ur mind vis-a-vis hindu radicalism. If 100 out of 100 times its not a political individual or entity I will withdraw my argument that all so called Hindu religious violence is politics masquerading as religion.
January 5th, 2009 at 9:19 am
I rest my case. Haha. Its for people reading to decide what is really pointless. “You can wake up a man who is asleep but you cannot wake up someone who is pretending to be asleep”. Cheers.
January 5th, 2009 at 9:29 am
@Ekxotic
One last thing can you please provide a link to ur rebuttal. Thnx.
January 5th, 2009 at 10:10 am
I rest my case too. You are helpless. Go make yourself happy!
January 5th, 2009 at 10:30 am
So I assume there was no rebuttal.
January 5th, 2009 at 11:15 am
Yes. I was just lying! Kind of ego inflation technique I learned from Ali Sina!
January 5th, 2009 at 11:29 am
dear Ekxotic.
you wrote,
[quote]And i have no idea what this line means:
“I am a non-Hindu vegan and I see no beef (sic) in the post by Exotic. “[/quote]
One can only but sigh if a joke falls flat.
May be this will help to give you the idea.
http://www.answers.com/topic/where-s-the-beef
if you still don’t get it….forget it.
January 5th, 2009 at 12:27 pm
There is nothing new Ekxotic……muslims are always BIGGEST LIARS in this World.
Take the case of recent Mumbai Attacks…..how many times president of Terroristan (opes did I say Terroristan)…oh I’m sorry Pakistan has reverted from his word in front of international Community.
January 5th, 2009 at 12:30 pm
Last thing you too are true muslim because you are Liar too….
Welcome to Liars Community
January 5th, 2009 at 12:41 pm
I dont know whats the point of ur comment. If there is a rebuttal then show me a link coz apparently there is no search option to the forum. If u really wish to defend ur faith here (which i assume coz u r here) then u should put the link here to back up what u r saying. Or else u are just ranting and wasting space.
January 5th, 2009 at 1:10 pm
Defend my faith? The same old technique I saw so many ‘people’ using in Prophet Ali Sina’s forum.
I hate to disappoint you but I simply cannot give you a link to back my claim. The reason? I just simply do not know what the link is. I posted that rebuttal about four months ago under the nick ‘Ekxotic’ and a day later Ali Sina banned me for ‘trolling’. After that I did not go back to that stinky forum and therefore I do not know the link. Got it?
I can send you the several emails I sent to Ali Sina afterward, of which he never even answered one. No. Actually he did answer one and then went into hiding.
January 5th, 2009 at 2:21 pm
To be honest I would have believed u even if in the first instance u had stated u dont know the link.
BTW If you are not defending ur faith what the hell is the rebuttal(which u mentioned) for ? A rebuttal is a defence or counterargument against a claim. By defend ur faith I mean defend ur religion not ur personal beliefs. Otherwise i dont know whats embarrasing about it.
I only have one email address which i would rather not make public here for worry of recieving more penis enlargement emails on the account. haha
If u think its worth it please post the contents of the mail right here. I dont think it would be considered spamming. Cheers.
January 5th, 2009 at 2:41 pm
I defended against his claim that Muhammad was a pedophile, and that was without defending Islam. Don’t you think it is possible? He says in his challenge to ‘proved him wrong’, and I just proved him wrong without defending any faith (intentionally). It might be something alien or unimaginable to you, but I really do not have a belief in any religion or any ‘known’ supreme deity. I know there is nothing embarrassing about following/defending Islam or any religion. I deny doing that simply because I don’t do it. I and my arguments just follow logic. Something Ali SIna claims to follow too but in reality of which he has no clue whatsoever.
I will try to post my mails here if I get a chance. That is not to say I won’t do it but to say that I’ll do it when I have enough time.
January 5th, 2009 at 2:54 pm
One last thing. My reason for reading stuff on FF is not because I have preconcieved notions about Islam. Fact is i know Jak Shyt about it. I am here because its a platform for people from both sides to put in their fair arguments and observers like me can read and understand peoples opinions and understanding of all sides to the coin. This is the reason i am quite interested in reading about ur rebuttal. In my opinion it matters shit whether Ali Sina responded to you or not. If your arguments hold water most people will make up their minds about which side makes more sense themselves. We all already know what Ali Sina has to say from all his longish posts all over the site.
January 5th, 2009 at 3:34 pm
Ali Sina’s response to my rebuttal mattered to me because he is the one who challenges the entire mankind to prove him wrong. Having said that, I posted that rebuttal just for one purpose only and that was to prove Ali Sina wrong in his own eyes. His chickening out by not responding to my rebuttal alone is enough evidence that he has been proven wrong explicitly.
And FFI is not ‘a platform for people from both sides to put in their fair arguments’. Not even close. Rather, FFI is a radical website with radical supporters who only accept arguments which favour their beliefs or the beliefs of their cult leader Prophet Ali Sina. Would you disagree? I think you would. But then again, doesn’t Ali Sina say that Muslims also don’t know they are following a cult leader?
January 5th, 2009 at 3:36 pm
I wonder why Muslims are so afraid of FFI? All what i read by muslims and their apologists are just absurd comments . I have never met any muslim who can prove these intelligent FFI Authors wrong.
January 5th, 2009 at 7:02 pm
Jenn, Can you prove 1=2, same way you no Muslim who can prove these intelligent FFI Authors wrong. I mean all the bad things done in 600 BC will be bad in 2009 and will be bad in 3009 (if they managed to survived till 3009)
January 5th, 2009 at 7:10 pm
Nishant, Ekxotic hasn’t written any rebuttal , If he had done anything of like this, he won’t hesitate to share it. He is a true Muslim… a Liar
January 5th, 2009 at 11:07 pm
Excellent commentary from Ansar.
“Finally, if someone mocked hinduism like Dr. Ali Sina does to Islam, nothing is going to happen. Hindus will simply shrug it off”
What is it called? Wishful thinking?
Ekxotic:
First Sina is not mocking Islam he is criticizing it, which he has the right to do. As for the Hindus they shrug off any criticism of their religion because there is nothing in their religion to kill anyone who criticizes their gods. But if someone were to criticize Islam or Muhammed, there’s a right.
proudkafir:
There is nothing new Ekxotic……muslims are always BIGGEST LIARS in this World.
Yes it looks like many people on this forum have fallen for Ekxotic’s trickory and the fact that he/she has made unfounded accusations nor has offered any rebuttal proves it.
Last thing you too are true muslim because you are Liar too….
Welcome to Liars Community
LOL, that is so funny proudkafir.
EKxotic:
I defended against his claim that Muhammad was a pedophile, and that was without defending Islam. Don’t you think it is possible? He says in his challenge to ‘proved him wrong’, and I just proved him wrong without defending any faith (intentionally). It might be something alien or unimaginable to you, but I really do not have a belief in any religion or any ‘known’ supreme deity. I know there is nothing embarrassing about following/defending Islam or any religion. I deny doing that simply because I don’t do it. I and my arguments just follow logic. Something Ali SIna claims to follow too but in reality of which he has no clue whatsoever.
I will try to post my mails here if I get a chance. That is not to say I won’t do it but to say that I’ll do it when I have enough time.
You’ve just contradicted yourself. First of all when you defend a prophet of any religion, you are defending that faith.
Also if you really do not have any belief in any religion or any known deity you would not be defending Islam’s prophet since atheists, agnostics, and deists do not support belief systems and are against it. Also you have given no proof as to how your arguments follow logic, in fact you contradict yourself and you have given no proof as to what you say about Ali Sina is true. Also you have made some irrelevent comments about Hinduism and India that have nothing to do with the topic and they reveal your ignorance.
“And FFI is not ‘a platform for people from both sides to put in their fair arguments’. Not even close. Rather, FFI is a radical website with radical supporters who only accept arguments which favour their beliefs or the beliefs of their cult leader Prophet Ali Sina. Would you disagree? I think you would. But then again, doesn’t Ali Sina say that Muslims also don’t know they are following a cult leader?”
Red light, red light, this person has accused us of being followers when there is no proof to support their accusations. Dude most of the posters of this website are Jews, Christians, Hindus, atheists, agnostics, deists, ex-muslims, and exc. So please using your logic prove we are the cult followers of Ali Sina. Also your accusation is a typical accusation made by Muslims. So quite lying.
“Oh yeah. Here we go again. The usual FFI tactics. God almighty help those who think the FFI writers are ‘intelligent’. And who said Muslims were afraid of FFI? Are they hiding or the intelligent FFI writers are?”
Didn’t you just say, you do not have a belief in any known supreme deity?
January 5th, 2009 at 11:33 pm
At least I do not make accusations without no proof and at least I don’t contradict, make irrelevant comments about a country and religion I know very little about. At least I don’t pretend to be something I am not in order to fool people and to take away attention from the main topic and to hijack this website.
January 5th, 2009 at 11:37 pm
“So you think ‘God almighty’ is a known supreme deity, Marie?”
Dude I do believe in God, that I have made clear before, but at least I don’t contradict myself by saying I don’t have any belief in religion or God and then go on to defend a religion and then say God almighty.
January 6th, 2009 at 12:34 am
I never said I was always right and in fact there have been times I have admitted that I was wrong. My ego is not that big. Actually it is you who says are you are always right.
“OK? And even if I did believe in Islam and was defending it, then what? Would that make me less intelligent and make you more intelligent?”
I never said that. Look we are all asking you prove the accusations you have made and so far you have not come through.
“Tell me, do you think ‘God almighty’ is a known supreme deity?”
First of all the question has nothing to do with the topic and is totally irrelevant. Also I am not here proselytize or even defend the existance of God, that is something the individual must decide themselves. Yes I believe in the existance of God and I believe he has made himself known, but that is what I believe. But other then that I will not get into a debate on the existance of God, because this is not what this website is about. It is about exposing Islam. You want to get into a debate about God, then go start an argument with someone else.
Dude when you defend the Prophet Muhammed are you defending Islam because much of Islam’s teachings come from Muhammed.
Dude here is the definition of a Cult from Dictionary.com
1. a particular system of religious worship, esp. with reference to its rites and ceremonies.
2. an instance of great veneration of a person, ideal, or thing, esp. as manifested by a body of admirers: the physical fitness cult.
3. the object of such devotion.
4. a group or sect bound together by veneration of the same thing, person, ideal, etc.
5. Sociology. a group having a sacred ideology and a set of rites centering around their sacred symbols.
6. a religion or sect considered to be false, unorthodox, or extremist, with members often living outside of conventional society under the direction of a charismatic leader.
7. the members of such a religion or sect.
8. any system for treating human sickness that originated by a person usually claiming to have sole insight into the nature of disease, and that employs methods regarded as unorthodox or unscientific.
–adjective
9. of or pertaining to a cult.
10. of, for, or attracting a small group of devotees: a cult movie.
January 6th, 2009 at 12:48 am
“Take my previous advice: Call the AA hotline, see a shrink and and accept that you have been defeated! ta ta”
Are you serious? And you claim that I am always right. Dude you can’t make a reasonable arguments without insulting anyone. Dude grow up and get over your ego.
January 6th, 2009 at 5:08 am
“Ali Sina’s response to my rebuttal mattered to me because he is the one who challenges the entire mankind to prove him wrong. Having said that, I posted that rebuttal just for one purpose only and that was to prove Ali Sina wrong in his own eyes. His chickening out by not responding to my rebuttal alone is enough evidence that he has been proven wrong explicitly.”
Ali Sina maybe the biggest asshole chicken in the world. But ur hyperbole is not helping prove any of it. Post some relevant stuff to back up what u r saying otherwise like i said its just ranting and wasting of whitespace.
“And FFI is not ‘a platform for people from both sides to put in their fair arguments’. Not even close. Rather, FFI is a radical website with radical supporters who only accept arguments which favour their beliefs or the beliefs of their cult leader Prophet Ali Sina. Would you disagree? I think you would. But then again, doesn’t Ali Sina say that Muslims also don’t know they are following a cult leader?”
I dont see any of ur comments being censored or deleted here. It was a fair enough request to ask you to post ur stuff here. But for some reason you have enough time in the day to start pissing matches with everyone who comes here but not enough time to find a mail in your inbox and post it here.
“Also noone comes to this website by force. Its an open forum u can write what you want. I assume most people in the world(including muslims) have enough brain to decide what is right and what is wrong if all sides of the arguments are put forward with evidence defending their claims. Please do not insult peoples intelligence by claiming that people coming to Ali Sina’s website and forums get misguided and join an idiotic cult.”
“It might be something alien or unimaginable to you, but I really do not have a belief in any religion or any ‘known’ supreme deity.”
I think that Jesus and Mohammed and all such prophets (including any of hinduism) were men sent by aliens to make sure the human species survived and didnt end up killing itself before it got on to its own two feet. So to be honest there is no end to my imagination.
Please do not turn my responses into any pissing matches. Unless you wanna insult ur own intelligence post reasonable stuff and avoid all the hyperbole. Cheers.
January 6th, 2009 at 5:34 am
@ everyone here. Why doesnt Ali Sina try to character assasinate Mohammed by putting up his claims and backing up with his sources on Wikipedia. Wikipedia is open and very widely read. If you are a scholar and can back up what you say you can write whatever you want. I wonder not as a challenge to Sina. I wonder because Wikipedia holds a lot of credibility and if he is wrong much of the truly scholarly muslim and non muslim population will be after him to falsify his claims. Finally whatever goes live on WP about mohammed after all the raving and ranting which everyone can see in the WP comments would be the final word for me atleast. Now how to make sure Sina reads this. Cheers.
January 6th, 2009 at 5:47 am
@ everyone else. Ali Sina keeps repeating that Ïf you tell a lie big enough and ….”. It also applies to him. Although his defence appears very solid and not one debate I have seen where he has given any one a quarter, for me its like a one scholar against a lot of fanatic idiots arguments. I think 99% of the readers wont be able to verify his sources simply for the lack of time. So I would rather see his stuff on WP and decide how much is true and how much has been stretched. If he puts up on WP, scholars(muslims or non muslims) will simply have to respond one way or another.
January 6th, 2009 at 7:18 am
I don’t have to prove anything to you, Nishant. I know I am talking to 20 Ali Sinas here. Just go and relax.
January 6th, 2009 at 7:29 am
I have been to Prophet Ali Sina’s forum and done this crappy stuff before. The best he can do is attack you using multiple nicks, give totally irrelevant answers, name call you and then go into hiding. I don’t have time to waste on him and his disciples. You wanna start this holy and noble quest to save the world from the Muslims? Good luck to you and your Prophet Ali Sina.
And I am not posting any emails here just to have mindless and pointless debates with you or anyone else. Period. You think I am a liar? Fine, I am a liar. Whatever floats your and Prophet Ali Sina’s boat.
January 6th, 2009 at 8:08 am
May I ask how old you are? (Its an honest question without any underlying agenda.)
January 6th, 2009 at 8:59 am
I will tell you my age but you will first have to tell me why do you want to know?
January 6th, 2009 at 9:22 am
Different generations have different outlook towards these things so sort of trying to make a picture of what generation you would represent. I am 29 just in case u wanna know as well.
The other reason is that once i know your age i am gonna track you down using that important piece of info and then come to ur house to argue Ali Sina’s case. Haha Come on man like i said its an honest question.
January 6th, 2009 at 9:42 am
Ok. I am 45.
January 6th, 2009 at 9:51 am
Thanks.
January 6th, 2009 at 10:13 am
Since you are also much older than i am, my apologies if there was any hint of condescension in any of my posts. If there was it was not intentional. Cheers.
January 6th, 2009 at 10:26 am
no problems.
January 6th, 2009 at 2:11 pm
I have been a visitor to this site for the last 5 years and I have read each and every piece of info on this site. Ali Sina, your are doing a great job of enlightening muslims as well as nonmuslims to the horrors of Islam. A lot of people read this site and because you are sticking to truth and nothing else, almost all of the people who read your site are quite impressed by its content and your convincing arguments. May God bless you!
January 6th, 2009 at 2:25 pm
Rajani looks like a self serving troll. Have you met most of the 12000000+ visitors of this website to claim that “almost all of them are quite impressed” and so and so.
Sorry to say but these indeed are signs of a cultish movement.
January 6th, 2009 at 3:02 pm
By “almost all” I mean “almost all of those to whom I have referred this site.”
January 6th, 2009 at 3:04 pm
How can you say this as a “cultish movement” when the basic purpose of this website is to “free” people from the cultish movement called Islam?
January 6th, 2009 at 3:49 pm
To Nishant: I have been a regular visitor of this website for the last 5 years and today is the first day I am commenting on anything for that matter. I know Ali Sina does not need my testimony or flattering remarks about his website, but at the same time, it would be gross injustice if I don’t say a word of praise or two for the tremendous efforts being undertaken by these ex-muslims. Please read the testimonies of all those who came face to face with truth. It is not easy to say this truth so directly and keep it on the world web without attracting the ire of muslims worldwide. Have you read the debates? Have you read the death threats to Ali Sina? They are real and it is not easy to live with such threats. And anybody who is associated with this website knows very well what a cultish movement is like and so they very well know how not to make this a cultish movement!
January 6th, 2009 at 9:45 pm
Ekxotic:
“All I can say is, fellows, our ego uses a lot of defenses to make us comfy and happy. These include: Denial, Distortion and Delusional Projection. Sound familiar? Mr Cult Leader?”
Wow you are clearly the most intelligent person on this board. I guess you are here to save us all from Ali Sina.
January 6th, 2009 at 10:07 pm
Ekxotic:
Now I pull some strings. No, I am not here to save you from Ali Sina. I am just here to tell how dumb you all are. Just to poke you, you know! And thanks for acknowledging my intelligence.
Wow, you mean you are the only intelligent one on this board? Wow.
January 6th, 2009 at 11:23 pm
Dude I’m a Christian and I have to disagree with you. Why do you hate Ali Sina and FFI so much?
January 6th, 2009 at 11:42 pm
He does not hate Muslims, in fact I believe it is his love for humanity that he wants to liberate Muslims from the bonds of Islam. He criticizes Islam because of what Islam teaches which is to hate nonbelievers and rob people of the respect and dignity they deserve.
January 7th, 2009 at 2:56 am
@Rajani:
“How can you say this as a “cultish movement” when the basic purpose of this website is to “free” people from the cultish movement called Islam?”
COMPARE WITH
“How can you say that Islam teaches violence when Islam is the religion of peace.”
I have nothing against anyone including Ali Sina. To be honest I am just a passing visitor trying to make up my own mind using my own brain. But this makes me laugh.
In Ali Sina’s own way of putting it. That is one lie upon another another lie. And you can keep the lies to yourself. Hahahahaha.
Do you see what i am saying? This is called freethinking. You already assumed and accepted what the basic purpose of the website it from what what it says on the front page. Which means from here on everything you think about Ali Sina cannot be objectively analysed.
And from your name you dont look like you are a muslim. And that is something I do not appreciate about Sina’s writings. We (including muslims) are all humans and are all likely to fall for the same traps. So why indulge in personal attacks against muslims like Sina often does (although I have seen him apologise about it a couple of times but these apologies were never tendered to muslims). If the religion is the problem then the religion should be attacked not any and every muslim of the world even those he has never met or heard about.
“I have been a visitor to this site for the last 5 years and I have read each and every piece of info on this site.”
Some people have also memorised the Quran by reading it every day for all their lives. Whats the point? (I also read everything he wrote. I also went to wikipedia comments section and read what scholars have to say about FFI and its not all flattering). To me it just means you have too much time on the hands unless you intend to publish a paper on critics of Quran. However I would like to ask. Have you confirmed all of his writings with all the sources that he mentions? (Including all the different translations that he often mentions. Do you even have access to all his sources?)
Ali Sina maybe perfectly justified in believing what he does and he may be absolutely right. But you spreading his word without verifying all his sources yourself are falling into the same trap that Sina claims muslims have fallen into while accepting islam. However if you indeed verified everything Sina said by going back to all the sources in these last five years, then i take my argument back but then i would advise that you should also ask all ur referers to do the same. Stop letting people think for yourself and start thinking themselves.
Cheers.
January 7th, 2009 at 2:59 am
correcton: Stop letting people (Sina) think for yourself and start thinking yourself.
January 7th, 2009 at 3:15 am
My personal belief is that he problem with Islam is not its teachings(whether right or wrong). It geopolitics of oil. Muslim nations dont have an incentive to create free thinkers coz they are not needed to develop anything required by civilizations to survive. They can just pump out more oil and sell it. Hence the mullahs have become overbearing factors of their political discourse in recent times unlike all other places where where oil is not so freely available. I am pretty sure had oil been so freely available in India Hinduism could just as easily have been taken over by religious zealots.
January 7th, 2009 at 3:18 am
Nishant: you are too supportive of Ali Sina and FFI for a ‘passing visitor’. Don’t you think?
January 7th, 2009 at 3:48 am
@Ekxotic:
I dont intend to open an account on this website ever. So yes i am a passing visitor.
If you question how I read everything he wrote, being a passing visitor as i claim, its not a lot of stuff to be honest. Although some people claim to have read it for 5 years, it doesnt take more than a week to read Ali Sina’s debates at max.
. and except for the four which were more or less intelligent the rest all looked a repetition of the same thing with a lot of ranting thrown in. Which is why my WikiPedia suggestion so that some hardworking people can do the refutations for me. 
My interest in all these matters is because of all the violence that seems to be going on everywhere(including in mumbai which is very close to where I stay) and being humans we must try to understand reasons behind our self inflicted misery. And if Ali Sina has a solution to the problem as he claims I am all for it (As long as it doesnt involving killing all muslims).
I support Ali Sina’s quite simply because of freedom of speech. He has a right to say what he wants and from the looks of his writings he seems to absolutely believe what he says and to a very large extent his sources also seem credible. And equally everyone has a right to object. I have been to the other pro-muslim websites which claim to rebutt Sina, and personally none look remotely convincing. However it does not mean I appreciate everything everyone says here and I dont blindly accept everything everyone says.
May i also tell say, you inspite of all ur posts have not made half a decent effort to refute anything. Which only leads me to believe you atleast have not much to add so more or less all ur posts are just ranting against Sina and you are not doing any favour to muslims or to islam.
Our beliefs are made from analysis of things that have happened to us. And to be honest i have seen enough of life. So I would not be surprised if in fact Sina’s writings are just a culmination of what he has seen and observed in life no matter how narrow the view is. Dont you think all of us have the right to judge the world around us and say what we think?
January 7th, 2009 at 7:22 am
To Nishant: I don’t have the resources or the ability to verify all the sources claims made by Ali Sina about Islam or muslims. My conclusions are based on the developments taking place in the world today. Ali Sina’s is not the only site that speaks about the barbarism that Islam is about. It is a totally chaotic system, which is not based on Dharma. Our own India is witness to many events that support all the observations that Sina has made about Islam and how it shapes the mentality of muslims. The Jihadis are very straightforward in their claims of making the whole world islamic by whatever means possible, whereas the Islamic nations are more concealed in their efforts, but they too support the same. Pakistan is a good example to study if all the claims of Sina are to be examined. There is a clear distinction between what is right and wrong no matter how much you say about applying free thinking and judging the world around us and saying what we think.
I don’t find any other purpose of this site (of establishing a cult etc.) than enlightening the masses about the source of the greatest threat to humanity, Islam and its teachings. It does not take even a minute (does not take 5 years or even a week) to figure that out when the Quran clearly mentions about destroying all nonbelievers. All muslims are either overtly or covertly doing that because this is what is expected of them. What more sources and evidences do you need to prove this fact? Does this not give you enough signals to unite at least in thoughts with the people who are out to bring out this truth and to put a stop to this mindless killing in the name of GOD? And even after reading the whole of the website (in a week as you claim) if you go behind asking for more proofs and “sources” for the “claims” that Sina has made, then you are fool!! You still don’t recognize the threat you are facing. You are a typical “secular” fool!! Forgive me for chastizing you for your foolishness. You seem to respect age and maybe women too, so I took the liberty of doing that. Tumhari badi bahen ne tumko achchi daant lagayi aisa hi samajhna!! No more arguments from my side. You are very smart and intelligent I know (I am lacking in both).
January 7th, 2009 at 7:41 am
Rajani I dont have a sis and I always wished I had one, all the more so coz my mom is no more . So u saying u are like an older sis is very nice and much appreciated! And yes I do respect women.
But anyway lets just agree to disagree on this coz I know we could ague forever and I have been through being a hawk myself.
January 7th, 2009 at 8:07 am
And heck everyone is unhappy with me muslims and non muslims alike. So this is the last post from my end. I’ll let you guys go ahead with ur stuff and just watch.No more comments from me here. haha. tata bbye
January 7th, 2009 at 8:43 am
Hey you, don’t leave on such a sad note! The only thing I wanted to emphasize was to see things on a clear footing. I am a “kattar hindutvavadi” and I see everything from the perspective of Dharma and Adharma and judge people and events based on that. Sanatana Dharma has solutions to all the problems of life. Rest everything is insane and unbridled materialism. Aap ki maa ko meri shraddhanjaliyan!! And please don’t touch beef or anything nonvegetarian for that matter on humanitarian grounds and for health reasons.
January 7th, 2009 at 9:41 am
You are “kattar hindutvadi” I pretty much guessed. I also suspect you are from Gujarat. Are you?
Why am I not surprised that you say Sanatana Dharma has solutions to all problems in life as well ? Thats how the whole problem with the Koran started as well and was sealed when Mohammed said he was the last prophet as Sina claims.
Why the hell did god give us a brain for if we have to follow teaching passed on from generations back? Why cant we find solutions to all our problems ourselves ? Did god intentionally make us dumb to make sure we could’nt stand on our own two feet. Its an insult to any god that you believe in.
Or do you mean to say our ancestors were smarter people then ourselves that we should do exactly what someone thousands of years back wrote that we cannot even verify actually happened?
If it did happen and god revealed it all himself then why the hell did he create such a situation where half of mankind wants to blow up the other half. Why didnt he give all of us an equal opportunity? Then u will get into karma. If that is the case then why did he create any evil in the first place? If there was no evil in the first place it means god let us choose for ourselves so some choose right and some wrong. So why dont we excercise that right today and think for ourselves rather than judging things based on some texts that someone passed you on from thousands of years back.
My problem with Sina’s kind of writing is this. People like you might pick up selected things and get into a game of misguided self righteousness and we will all end up fueling a cycle of hate.
You talk about Sanatana Dharma, where is ur compassion(daya) for those whom you think are misguided? Why this sense of pride(ahankar) and intoxication (madya) in the ur unflinching belief that you are absolutely right and others(muslims) are absolutely wrong?
I hope you will forgive me for my tone in this post assuming am your younger misguided brother but I had to say this.
January 7th, 2009 at 11:18 am
I am not from Gujarat. I am from the place of Aadi Shankaracharya, which has fallen into the hands of Communists, Jihadi muslims, and Christians and who are united in every effort to finish Hindus and Hinduism. My anguish and “kattar hindutvavad” comes from that (I don’t know what your idea of “kattar hindutvavad” is, but I am certainly not a terrorist). I go through the idealogies that all these people preach and find that none of them has the solution to the miseries of life. They all rejected Hinduism and flouted their own version of ending sufferings and experimented in their own ways, but made it messier than before. They even fight amongst themselves, but they are all united against anything even remotely smelling of Hinduism whereas Hindus have always tried to accommodate them in every way possible. It is these people who are the real hate mongers I found. Kerala has become in every sense a “mental asylum” as Vivekananda once said.
I found solace only in spirituality. I would say you have misunderstood me regarding compassion (daya). I cannot prove it to you whether I am compassionate or not, but I don’t use that when there is need for tough action against what is wrong. Once again you will ask me what makes me so sure about what is right and what is wrong. I leave it to you to think that out.
I totally disagree with you on the point that Ali Sina is spreading hatred. There is a section called muslims’ comments on this site. If you go through Sina’s replies you will know that he is certainly not a hate monger. I can feel the compassion he has for muslims in his replies. The only thing he wants them to reject is the teachings of Islam.
There is one thing, you draw inferences too quickly and without much thinking. Ok so I broke my promise for not arguing further. Well, not much time for all these things. That was why I never commented on anything till now because nobody is arriving on any solution here too. Time is very less and much remains to be done. Good bye! Happy to see that you are back to your good old arguing self bro!!
January 7th, 2009 at 5:09 pm
You are correct in noting that I draw inferences too quickly. Hopefully a few more years will sober me down.
Anyway i was certain we could never end this argument. Like i said earlier we all have the right to judge the world around us and a right to say what we think. I am glad we did exchange the posts anyway.
Cheers and bbye.
January 8th, 2009 at 8:50 pm
“If it did happen and god revealed it all himself then why the hell did he create such a situation where half of mankind wants to blow up the other half. Why didnt he give all of us an equal opportunity? Then u will get into karma. If that is the case then why did he create any evil in the first place? If there was no evil in the first place it means god let us choose for ourselves so some choose right and some wrong. So why dont we excercise that right today and think for ourselves rather than judging things based on some texts that someone passed you on from thousands of years back.”
There is an answer to your questions and if you seek to find these answers, you will find it.
I do believe there is an answer to these questions and I have found some of those answers, but I will not go into detail about them because I am a Christian and I fear that by going into detail about these answers, we will get into a debate.
January 9th, 2009 at 8:01 am
Marie I came to the website to understand the cause of humans misery in the name of god and not god himself. But anyway I guess this was inevitable.
What you quote from my earlier post is not a question, its an answer.
That god gave each of us enough brain to think for ourselves and we should not make choices based on some books purpotedly passed on to us by him.
I am sure it would have been easier for him to load up the hardware and software in everyone of us to make sure we would get our answers if we really wanted them.
Unfortunately many of us are just not ready to hit the power button and get it all straight from the source.
I have asked myself these questions enough times. With all the other answers (especially the one involving satan and his nonsense) God tends to become less and less powerful killing the very essence of GOD.
And your being a Christian has no bearing on anything for me. If an almighty god(no matter by what name you call it) is not *the* god of every single thing in this universe he is not god and *all* religions are simply cults and we should all stop all our religious nonsense straightaway.
January 9th, 2009 at 8:22 am
However besides my belief in the god as mentioned above I have many theories to fall back on in the case that this God thing is one big hoax.
It involves aliens, parallel universes, quantum mechanics etc. But that is besides the point. hahahahaha
January 9th, 2009 at 5:19 pm
“And your being a Christian has no bearing on anything for me. If an almighty god(no matter by what name you call it) is not *the* god of every single thing in this universe he is not god and *all* religions are simply cults and we should all stop all our religious nonsense straightaway.”
I never said God is bound by religion, God is everywhere. Most religions are humanity’s attempt to reach God, while in Judaism and Christianity it is God reaching down to humanity.