My Tributes to Faith Freedom International

I entirely agree with you Mr. Abul Kasem.

I am very proud to say that I am a student of Dr. Ali Sina for more than six years now even though I am in my 70s. There is no day in which I do not go through the site and learn. In those days when the website was damaged willfully by some zealous Islamic faithfuls, I was very optimistic that this site will come again more like a phoenix again and again because it is from a man of steel like Dr. Ali Sina, my beloved younger brother. Now it is proved that FFI can never be destroyed by any of these evil-minded wishful thinkers/doers. I am sure the world is going to see Islam-Free world within three decades. All good things will take time but it will succeed because this is based on Truth, and truth and nothing but full truth. At least I want to live to see a trouble free world that is Islam-Free world, (within my lifetime), too ambitious isn’t?

Thanks to you Mr. Abul Kasem for the tributes and really liked it to provoke me his reply

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In making FFI popular I feel myself a proud warior in exposing the ugly face of Islam and liberating so many muslims from closed thinkings of this black hole.
I was thrilled to read this website two years ago.Since then I have made 100s to read it and distributed its many articals making islam naked to 1000 in my country.
To-day I wish all the great writers of our family a long life in good health so as to further the movement to TRUTH & REASON for the large benifit of humanity and FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION AND SPEECH.

Mr Kasem,
Wonderfull to read about the origins of FFI.
I chanced apon FFI after doing a study of Sydney gang rapist Bilal Skaf and his gang of racist muslim associates . That was four years ago and before that I was unaware of any site exposing this diabolicle scurge on humanity known as islam . Since then I have been an avid reader and always take every opportunity to recomment FFI to others desiring the truth about islam . Dr Sina I have found to be a wonderfull human being always taking the time to respond to any correspondence .I wish him and all at FFI the best .

I would like to say an Urdu couplet here for this occassion " Zindgi ke Safar mei Chale the Akele, log milte chale gaye, aur Karvaan bantaa chala gaya" Translation "I had started alone in this journey called life, people started gathering up on the way and the caravan got bigger everyday"

The Quran and Islam need to be exposed for what it really is; a religion of hate, suppression and blood. This even more so as Islam itself is very activ spreading the claim that it is the "religion of peace" - which simply is a sample of "al-taqiyya" ("the lawful lie" - something that does not exist in any other big religion, only in Islam).

I also mention www.1000mistakes@hotmail.com - (Islam-Watch calls it a "must read", the Swedish "Sanningen om Islam" quotes that it "proves 100% that something is wrong with the Quran" - and hence with Islam.

I am from south India and I have been doing some research on all the relegions of the world for some time now. To know more and be honest in realisation, one need to know the hypothesis and null hypothesis in depth. for realisation on Islam I am fortunate to read Dr Ali Sina's article which thro' lot of light on not only Islam but also how the relegions are being hijacked by vested interested guys. In my opinion my research summarises only one thing ie.

Hindus Feel god is their servent and Just "Pay" a visit to his temple, he will serve them with all their needs.

Christians feel that they are the marketing executive for the brand name called "Jesus" and their brand positioning has been precise.

Islamists feel that they are the Protectors of God, in their term "allah" and god doesent have the capability to protect himself but inturn termed him to return the favour with virgins.

No one seemed to have realised if god belongs to one religion why would he allow other believers' population to grow. he can very well shut the pipe down and have his believers survive. is he not that mightier or powerful?

One thing I am sure. All of them have forgotten one thing. 'God per se"

Dr Sina is heading toward neurosis and all of you his followers are going to be labeled as 'madman followers', just as you guys believe the Muslims are!

Islamic conspiraters are trying to push a resolution in UNO to ban the criticism of Iislam & koran so that the ugly and evil face of islam is not exposed to muslims and others. All 57 muslim contries of IOC are indirectly pressurising UNO to admitt this resolution so that freedom of speech and expression is diluted and any publication or any website criticising islam,jihad,koran, hadiths and terrorism etc will be baned or punished.
Has any body the latest news and the views for such movement in future? will islamists be successfull to suffocate freedom of expression & speech so that 'islam of hate' will movefreely in disguise of 'religion of peace' un noticed?

Despite the great effort by Dr. Ali Sina in inseminating the information about the evils of Islam, Muslims are growing by leaps and bounds and are penetrating the Western worlds with vigour each passing day, slowly but surely. The source of inspiration seems to be coming from the unwavering faith of Islamic adherents in the Middle East, particularly Saudi Arabia and Iran. As such, all articles by Dr Sina and his volunteers should be translated into Arabic and focus them on the Arabic speaking world as targetted groups as many of them do not speak English and unaware of Dr Sina great efforts of educating them. In other words, destroy its sources and Islamic will be dead.

"Islamists feel that they are the Protectors of God, in their term “allah” and god doesent have the capability to protect himself but inturn termed him to return the favour with virgins"

If the Islamic god is all-mighty and powerful, why does he need protecting? This is totally absurd and makes no sense. The creator of the world needs his creation to protect him.

"No one seemed to have realised if god belongs to one religion why would he allow other believers’ population to grow. he can very well shut the pipe down and have his believers survive. is he not that mightier or powerful?"

God does not belong to one religion nor does he belong to anything. God is everywhere. Religion is people's attempts to reach God, except for Judaism and Christianity where it is God reaching down to humanity. As for why there are many religions with many different gods, I believe at one time the people were cut off from God and religion is their attempt to reach him.

Also the question you ask to goes back to the concept of freewill. Yes God is mighty and powerful, but that does not mean he uses his power to force people to follow him or else he would a dictator.

"One thing I am sure. All of them have forgotten one thing. ‘God per se”"

That I totally agree with you.

If FFI no longer legally belongs to Ali Sina then that can be said but I haven't read anything else on this. Can you please elaborate? I think that it's a great idea that Ali take a vacation and let this site and forum get back on track. BTW, I'm not concerned if someone labels me as one of his followers when I know damn well that I'm not.

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We're bigger than one person.

Remember folks, there is a fine line between a bard and a berserker and Islam can drive many a bard into a berserker. It's also a chance to understand that we (as individuals) enter into a confrontation with our own psychic Shadows when confronting Islam.

http://psikoloji.fisek.com.tr/jung/shadow.htm

"It’s also a chance to understand that we (as individuals) enter into a confrontation with our own psychic Shadows when confronting Islam."

I would like to know: Is that a fact or just your opinion?

I have been an addict to this site, FFI, since 5 years and have been recommending people to read ffi for understanding Mohammed, Allah & Islam whenever I write in comment columns in net newspapers and certain other websites. In India this site is popular yet nobody dare talk ill of Islam on stage or on public gatherings. I wonder why? I have an impression that people are simply afraid of Islam that's it!

i am cherch of igaland, so i don't do much for relidjion, but i hope i can help, i agree with what someone said, if god is al mighty then why would he nead prateckting, god can pratecked himself, and erm i hope i don't make people mad and i hope people understand what i am trying to say, it is said that god mad everything right, well if god made everything then, god must have non about the muslim cuntrys doing what they are doing, so god can help you, and inturne you could help god make the muslim cuntrys better places to live, if that dosn't make sence then i am sorry but i hope it does, thanks for reading how i feel

Hi Ekxotic,

It's a fact and one doesn't have to look further than by reading Sina's writings and see how one man's deteriorating psychological condition can spread to others. I had answered to this in another thread even though the question there was: "Why do people who are completely ignorant of Islam hate it so much? "

http://www.answerbag.com/a_view/5062373

I answered with this:

"Because those people may not be "completely" ignorant about Islam in the second place. They may have a wide range of opinions about Islam in the " first place" before becoming more acquainted with the central texts of that ideology but many had huge reactions of disgust and nausea upon learning about the acceptability of heinous acts against other human beings and that this kind of behavior is actually permitted in Islam.

If they learn more and don't become trolls they also learn that most Muslims have it wrong when it comes to Islam being a religion of peace because the vast majority of them are not that well acquainted with their own scriptures and are simply busy living their own lives to understand that they are living in a tangle of cognitive dissonances. It's called false consciousness and it's displayed in one manifestation or another in every human society.

It should come as no surprise that non-Muslims are freaking out in billions of different situations globally. After all, who could have ever thought that the Prophet Muhammad would do the heinous things that he did? And that Muslims have preserved these writings showing such things for 1400 years and successfully kept such writings secret until the Internet came about (and even that didn't happen early on when the Internet started getting big).

After 9-11, many people became curious about Islam and while there were plenty of publicized cases of people converting to Islam hardly any mention was made of those who have left Islam and at great risk. So, those who are extremely wanton and vicious in their statements towards Islam and Muslims are hardly the type to be able to approach it on a multi-dimensional level and maintain a rational attitude over the course of years.

And yes. . . I have seen people go into shock and slowly go insane after becoming deeply acquainted with Islam. It's no fun to read their rantings and know that they are disintegrating psychologically and much of what you will find on many forums reflects the shock and trauma that resonates strongly in their minds."
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It may not be a perfect response but then again the guy who posted that question believes in the "perfect religion". Even so, he isn't entirely wrong in saying that those who go insane after being exposed to Islam probably were "psychologically weak" in the first place but the real problem is that too many critics of Islam have regressed into a prolonged traumatic phase that can really come out in posts that reek of echolalia more than anything else. They run out of intellectual ammunition and if they write irresponsibly they hurt the image of others who are also critics of Islam. Hold on . . . . . they've already done that on the two old forums and undone years of work by others while indulging in their obsessive behaviors which gives legitimacy to Muslims and their leftist allies who can simply refer anybody to the FFI forums to read some of the crap posted there - much of which clearly diverged from the task of exposing Islam.

It's so bad that plenty of old members won't even refer FFI to other people who need to find out how bad Islam is. After all, who wants to wade through so much crap just to find the pertinent points when one can refer the curious to other sites? And if they're like me I hope that they also warn them many anti-Islamic activists are unbalanced nutjobs with clear links to debunked conspiracy theories and various nutjob causes that do not promote democracy. In fact, I let people know that the roots of the current anti-Islamic movement (if there really is a movement) are deeply embedded in Enlightenment values and secular humanism which are generally derided by the likes of Sina since he has no grasp on the underlying dynamics of the West.

Do people criticize Hindus and their religion openly in India? How about asking for a double quarter pounder at McDonald's in Mumbai?. Just asking!

Well, Ekxotic, that sure is a brain teaser so I guess I'll have to refer you to the staff at mcspotlight.org for that one.

http://www.mcspotlight.org

Hi Ansar al-Zindiqi,

Maybe it is a brain teaser for you, but I was hoping that 'Vaisakhan' would be able to answer that question without teasing his brain too much. Again to 'Vaisakhan',: What happens when you ask for beef products in Mumbai? And what happens when someone sets up a website that calls Hindu gods ugly apes, fat elephants, etc., make a mockery of their legendary caste system in a deeply insulting way, and suggests that Hindus should start eating beef? What would that 'Thakray' guy do to the webmaster? And above all, would you be able to discuss the contents of that website without having half of your bones broken?

PS: I went to www.mcspotlight.org but still couldn't find the answer. Would you be more particular as to where should I go on that website to find the answer?

Hi again Ansar al-Zindiqi,

It is also a fact that we cannot determine the mental health of a person who lived 1500 years ago. We simply cannot do that. Muhammad might be sick or he might be healthy. We would never know about it. Would you disagree?

Everyone has his own understanding of everything in life. Islam, or any religion as a matter of fact, cannot be interpreted by 'one single right way'. This is because there simply cannot be 'one right way' anything in life. Not even ordinary things as driving a car to brushing your teeth, let alone something as complex as religion! It is just not possible.

And why should we read Ali Sina to understand Islam properly? If he thinks Muhammad was sick, then I think Ali Sina is much more sick than Muhammad. Or why else would he try to convince the world that a religion of 1.2 billion people be destroyed after being understood through his 'one right way'? Who is he? He thinks he is the most intelligent person on earth and no one knows more about Islam than he does. But in reality he is so much caught up in his own self-righteousness that if you praise him and agree with him then all is good and you get his blessings. However, a little bit of criticism and questioning and the next thing you know you are either a 'Muslim apologist', a pedo apologist', a 'troll', etc. How can you believe such a person? He thinks he has been mutated into a liberal Westerner, but after all those years the only thing he has manged to become is 20 times the radical he was before he started this holy mission. Honestly, how can anyone with even a little bit of sanity believe a person like Ali Sina?

Ekxotic says:

It is also a fact that we cannot determine the mental health of a person who lived 1500 years ago. We simply cannot do that. Muhammad might be sick or he might be healthy. We would never know about it. Would you disagree?

A. al-Z.: We cannot determine as approximately a person's mental health in any day and age except for long, prolonged clinical observations but we can certainly make a decision based on the cumulative evidence which has been preserved by Muslims themselves. I would surmise that with all the recorded material about Muhammad and the deeds he committed that following his example invariably leads to a sick mindset. The real world evidence is to be found in the heinous crimes committed by Muslims who most closely follow his example.

Ekxotic: Everyone has his own understanding of everything in life.

A. al-Z: They sure do and not all of those "understandings of everything in life" are considerate of other "understandings" and seek to undermine and eventually exterminate the societies of those who hold other "understandings of life". Islam is one of those "understandings" that have that sort of predatory nature.

Ekxotic: Islam, or any religion as a matter of fact, cannot be interpreted by ‘one single right way’. This is because there simply cannot be ‘one right way’ anything in life. Not even ordinary things as driving a car to brushing your teeth, let alone something as complex as religion! It is just not possible.

A. al-Z: Try telling that to some Muslims! LOL

Ekxotic: And why should we read Ali Sina to understand Islam properly?

A. al-Z: I say that we should the writings of anybody who can help others reach even deeper understandings of Islam. Sina has some great articles (and as has been said before) just because one person may be batshit crazy on many things doesn't mean that that that person is batshit crazy about everything. When it comes to Islam he has provided marvelous insights into how the mindsets of Muslim true believers work.

Ekxotic: If he thinks Muhammad was sick, then I think Ali Sina is much more sick than Muhammad.

A. al-Z.: Just for thinking that Muhammad was sick? If you go by that logic then basically anybody in the past who have criticized cult leaders and tyrants who are or were sick are (by your logic) sick. Please save us the sweeping generalizations.

Ekxotic: Or why else would he try to convince the world that a religion of 1.2 billion people be destroyed after being understood through his ‘one right way’?

A. al-Z; That's you jumping to conclusions with huge leaps of logic. His call for eradicating Islam is already being accomplished by Muslims who harbor doubts about Islam and find that they are not alone in those doubts. It's an implosive event if you haven't noticed already and hardly needs any one person to serve as a firebrand to get the ball of doubt rolling in the minds of so many people who are nominal Muslims and go about their lives without even knowing much about their own ideology.

Yet the urgency of such a message is brought home when one sees how so many Muslims behave in countries where most people are not Muslim. They're just not simply "angry people from the Middle east" due to colonialism, capitalism or because they are living in poverty. They behave that way because that sort of behavior is tolerated and cultivated within Muslim households and the larger ummah and is fully backed up by the central texts of Islam. That's not just Ali Sina's way of looking at Islam. Many others have come to the conclusion that the world needs to learn about what Islam is truly about and what the implications of following such an ideology are. It seems that you would be much happier if the world kept on being as ignorant about Islam before 9-11 than now.

Ekxotic: Who is he?

A. al-Z.: He's Ali Sina. Or didn't you know this already?

Ekxotic: He thinks he is the most intelligent person on earth and no one knows more about Islam than he does.

A. al-Z.: Until you can finding any quote of his that states such a thing it's foolish to make such assertion.

Ekxotic: But in reality he is so much caught up in his own self-righteousness that if you praise him and agree with him then all is good and you get his blessings. However, a little bit of criticism and questioning and the next thing you know you are either a ‘Muslim apologist’, a pedo apologist’, a ‘troll’, etc.

A. al-Z; He can sure come across as an authoritarian can't he? LOL.

Ekxotic: How can you believe such a person?

A. al-Z.: As I've mentioned before . . . . just because a person may be batshit crazy on a range of topics doesn't necessarily mean that that one person is batshit crazy about all of those topics. Plenty of thinkers from the past have written down nasty, incorrigible things but are still recognized as being authorities in their fields. Or at least a subset of those fields.

Ekxotic: He thinks he has been mutated into a liberal Westerner,

A. al-Z.: He is anything but. However, if there is a quote you can bring here to back up that assertion then all means go ahead or continue to make yourself look silly. If you can bring up evidence of that then you get to make him look silly. As if that hasn't happened already.

Ekxotic: but after all those years the only thing he has manged to become is 20 times the radical he was before he started this holy mission.

A. al-Z.: How do you know that? You have to provide evidence of what his mindset was like all those years ago to even make that claim.

Ekxotic: Honestly, how can anyone with even a little bit of sanity believe a person like Ali Sina?

A. al-Z.: Well, he was once a Muslim wasn't he? His crazy statements have shown that being brought up in a rigidly Islamic society can carry residual effects and he isn't alone. Just look at how some ex-Muslims still get defensive about Islam and continue to harbor stupid resentments towards Jews and others. Even while some of them would like to bring a level of dhimmification to the public discourse over Islam via censorship (that's not going to happen here) and have a lot of work to do before they can even come close to appreciating the world around them. It just goes to show that many people can only get their heads out of the sand in increments and as time goes on taking such "babysteps" leads to frequent stumblings. Such is life outside of Islam and whatever incorrigible, grotesque behaviors and attitudes they may have they have taken the right step and left Islam. Even if their incorrigible, grotesque bahaviors and attitudes lose them a lot of respect and are a direct reflection of what being a Muslim can do to people even after they have left the ummah.

Ansar al-Zindiqi: I would just love to see that 'authoritarian' replying to my rebuttal. Why isn't he doing that? And why he is not even answering my emails. How logical and authoritarian is that? Is he scared of me?

Greetings all. This is Amin Abdullah. I have done much research in the past and I consider myself to be a spiritualist, building my beliefs from many different teachings and incorporating my own ideas into it as well. As such, it cannot be considered a religion as it will not, probably never be finnished. I have learned much from Terence, Tatas Talaikas, Koubin, Susan Carol, Cathleen Garber and other tutors. So I'll post another link for you to go to and I think that this site and this other site should merge together. Good luck researching and thank you for reading. http://www.prophetofdoom.net/ Please give feedback if you do visit the site. I'm looking forward to hearing from you all.

Yes, in India any tom, dick and harry can criticize Hinduism openly yet stay alive and dont have to go hiding like Salman Rushdi or Taslima Nasreen ever since they critisized Islam. During the time Lord Krishna, there was one atheist named Charvakan who openly declared "There is no God" and not only nobody nailed his ass to the corss but people revered him as a saint. Don't you know 99% communists who profess atheism in India are from Hindu community? As far as meat eating is concerned, I don't eat meat for the simple reason that I abhore killing not just human beings but any living organism. Whenever I see people queiing up in front of meat shop I imagine myself being tied behand back and broughtf in front of a butcher or for that matter a jihadi..I am simply terrified...same must be the feeling of animals brought to slaughterhouse..only thing they cannot say or talk or communicate..no, humans know that and yet kill them willingly .see life is the most precious thing for humans and animals too. But for survival sake we have to eat something, so I prefer the lowest form of life like vegetables and fruits. As far as rediculing hindu gods are concerned, it all depends the individual or groups knowledge on this matter, temperament etc. Simply put "God, they do not know what they are saying/doing, forgive them". Regarding caste system, it was the so called upper caste people, brahmanas, who hijacked the beautiful meaningful 'varnasramadharma' or 'caste' for their easy living. They (brahmanas) appropriated for themselves the knowledge in vedas, sastras, puranas etc. at the same time denied the knowledge to the so called lower caste people, sudras. This is the reason why hindus degenerated to such a level that many of them opted for Christianity, Islam and lately communism. But I can say it with certainty that there was/is nothing wrong with original 'caste' system propounded by Lord Krishna in His Bhagavad Gita.

Thanks for the reply Vaisakhan, but when I asked things about India I actually meant the present day India and not from the time of Lord Krishna. Anyway, I am just wondering, has anyone ever written an insulting book on Hindu gods or Hinduism? I mean a book against Hinduism that matches the insulting remarks of Ali Sina or Salman Rushdie? If there is such a book, is this book freely available in India? Or is there a website that says 'Hinduism' must be eradicated for whatever reasons? If there was such a website, would it be openly acceptable in secular India? Why beef is not permitted to be sold in secular India? Why cows cannot be slaughtered? What happens if a Muslim slaughters a cow in Mumbai? You guys all make look India so good. But the truth is far from it: In a Hindu-dominated country, no other race dare such a venture as insulting Hindu gods or making a mockery of that religion in a deeply insulting way. Or do so and prepare to face the brutal consequences. Isn't that true? An Indian friend of mine once told me that the famous Peter Seller film 'The Party' was banned in India by Indra Ghandi. If that is true then why was it banned in such a open minded country? And someone also told me about Shiv Sena burning some fast food restaurants for selling beef or meat in Mumbai. Someone else said beef is not on the menu of McDonald's in secular India! Do you call that open mindedness and secularism or open repression and suppression?

We can say whatever about Muslims and their intolerance, but do not forget the fact that they also receive much much more criticism of their religion and beliefs than any other race, say for instance, Hindus. If Hindus were to be mocked and insulted by some guy like Ali Sina, I am sure they would have reacted in a similar way.

As far as I know hinduism is the religion most criticized since milleniums with the result it has evolved over time. Regarding criticism on hinduism I haven't read any books or saw any websites yet. Frankly, I don't care, I didn't go searching for it because I know what is hinduism. Sadly, 99% hindus do not know even the name of hinduism which is Sanatana Dharma. In the present day India we can see hindus as a cowardous ignorant lot as against militant satanic forces of Islam. The father of nation Mahatma Gandhi through his 'ahimsa' or non-violence as weapon against the mighty Britishers made hindus into vegetables unwilling and unable to fight even for their survival. Finally, if someone mocked hinduism like Dr. Ali Sina does to Islam, nothing is going to happen. Hindus will simply shrug it off.

"Finally, if someone mocked hinduism like Dr. Ali Sina does to Islam, nothing is going to happen. Hindus will simply shrug it off"

What is it called? Wishful thinking?

@Ekxotic I have been to McDonalds and asked for beef. They just said they dont serve it. I asked coz i dont stay in india and I eat beef. Noo ne raised an eyebrow. By birth I am a hindu brahmin. Not one Indian I know ever questioned me about what I eat and why i eat on the basis of religion. And i come from a family in which my mother wouldnt even have food which was used to make or cook egg products. You cannot be a true believer unless u have freedom to believe whatever u like.

Regarding ur comments about anti-hindu comments in India. In contemprorary history, The father of the Indian constitution, Dr. Ambedkar was absolutely against Hinduism because he thought the Hindu System of castes was inhuman. Infact he went to convert the entire untouchable population which revered him from Hinduism to Buddhism. The reason he was chosen to be the father of the constitution was because he was an "untouchable" himself and Gandhi who was a Hindu believed only Ambedkar could do justice to those marginalized for centuries. Hence India has close to 50% reservations for for those historically marginalized. 50% reservations is actually a gross understatement (if u wish to know more do a little research).

In india if you attack hinduism publicly like Ali Sina does to Islam in India, yes you will face a lot of protests but i promise you it wont be from religious leaders. It will be from members of purely political parties. If you attack it on the web u will be surprised by the results. No one will even care. Hinduism can be interprated in anywhich way you want. Hinduism in my personal opinion has evolved over thousands of years and has thousands of different gods who have said thousands of different things which can be interprated in thousands of different ways. You just cannot prove anything (which is a good thing because it creates free thinkers). One of the beliefs that every hindu I know has is that god is in everything. Which means that my mom also think that the preacher she listens to is also an incarnation of god. And Hinduism doesnt object to it in any way.

In fact, Sai Baba, one of the most popular figures in western India is revered both by Muslims and Hindus. he was originally a muslim but has millions of Hindu followers who believe he is an incarnation of god(ofcourse he is not the only god for them). Research a little on him and you will see what i mean.

I'm pretty sure that (for the most part) most Hindus would look at it, go along with some of it and disagree with other bits and keep on living their own lives. Why ask such a question? Do you have a wish that Hindus be just as violent as Muslims a so that you can have a triumphant feeling about whatever position you take on the wide subject of religion?

correction: Sai Baba was "always a muslim" not "originally a muslim"

Some more titbits from India coz we like bragging about our extreme secularism which borders on appeasement of minorities at the cost of the majority :). Muslims in India live by a different set of rules which are according to their religious beliefs. For example Muslims have their own marriage and divorce laws unlike everyone else. And these guarantees are provided for in the constitution.

Since you also ask why beef is not permitted its because all religions have their own rules and the constitution tries to cater to everyone. A hindu cannot have four wives even if he wants although muslims can. Similarly muslims cannot have beef even if they want. Those are the costs of Indian style secularism. You win some you loose some.

...and then there are idiots like Vaisakhan above who think that because hinduism has very few radicals they are cowards. Fortunately hinduism is more of philosophy then religion really to be taken over by over zealous idiots like him.

Dear Exotic, you have said a lot of things about India. Who told you that Beef is not available in India? It is available in most parts of India, excluding two or three Northern states . In fact if you go to Kerela, Goa or anywhere in the North East, you will find beef listed in the main menu. As far as criticizing Hinduism and Hindus is concerned, you ca read the syllabus books on Indian history approved by the Indian Government. I feel even the biggest Muslim bigot will satisfied with the sublime hatred for the native religions in those books. Foreign publications criticizing Hinduism are far too many and there are several websites which do this job as well. So I don't understand why are you so angry. Muslims have been saying openly that Hinduism should be wiped off the face of this earth, both in India as well as Pakistan. You would not need websites or books after that, would you? Now if eating beef is your definition of secularism then God help the poor Jains.

As a western woman who converted to islam in the 90s and came out of it, I thank Ali sina, Abul kasem and all the writers of FFI for exposing this murder and rape cult islam.

Dear Nishant, I have never been to India and it did surprise me to read that 'no one would care' if someone started an extremely offensive website against Hinduism in India, just as FFI is against Islam. Or only the 'political parties' would retaliate. I myself have friends from all over the world including of course India. Most of my Indian friends are Hindus and true they don't care about their religion as much as an average Muslims does. But they can be just as much radicals as Muslims because I can clearly see the violent attitude in them showing up as soon as you start saying derogatory things about their religion or gods. For example, most are very touchy about even touching beef, let alone eating it. I was touched the picture of a Hindu god in my friend's room after having eaten meat. The friend got quite pissed off and told me in a half threatening half-warning tone not to do it again. I told him it was a mistake but he was insistent that I did it on purpose. My point remains the same: Hindus DO NOT face criticism of their belief system nowhere as much as the Muslims do. There is no website in the world run by some crazy lunatic advising the world to join the cause of eradicating Hinduism for whatever reasons. If there was, I am pretty sure it would have been banned in India to start with. What we see from Muslims is a defensive reaction. And mind you, suicide bomber blowing up people and crashing planes into skyscrapers also do not represent common Muslim population. Those are only a handful of brainless and brainwashed pawns used purely for political gain or revenge. Almost the entire common Muslim population DO NOT support their actions.
You wrote, “A hindu cannot have four wives even if he wants although muslims can. Similarly muslims cannot have beef even if they want. Those are the costs of Indian style secularism. You win some you loose some.”
I am surprised you call this ‘secularism’. But then again, as you said, it is the ‘Indian style secularism’. Just a question out of curiosity thought: When you prohibit the sale of beef in India, who actually wins apart from Hindus? And when Muslims can have multiple wives and Hindus cannot, then who is on the winning side and who is on the losing side? Muslims win and Hindus lose? You are saying ‘polygamy’ is acceptable and moral in Hinduism as it is in Islam?

Dear Ibrahim Lone: Who told you I was angry? Asserting your point is quite different from being angry, don't you think? Anyway, an Indian friend of mine told me once that beef is not allowed to be sold in India, and the beef you can find in India is 'buffalo meat' and not 'cow meat'. He also said that slaughtering cows is prohibited by law in India. Not sure if it is true. That's what he told me! What do you say to this?

Eating beef is not my definition of secularism, but forcing an International chain not to sell it's main items because it would piss off the Hindus is my definition of 'secularism gone too Indian'. What do you say to this?

Holy Cow ! Where is the beef ?

PROF. D. N. JHA, a historian from Delhi University, makes clear in his book
"Holy Cow: Beef in Indian Dietary Traditions." that Vedic Hindus gorged themselves on beef and cows were the animal of choice for ritual sacrifice.

Vegetarianism as such has no place in Hindu scriptures.

It entered Hindu ethos via Budhism and Jainism ....and Gandhism :)

I am a non-Hindu vegan and I see no beef (sic) in the post by Exotic.

Nice post Mr. Abul Kasam. Thank you.

"Hindus DO NOT face criticism of their belief system nowhere as much as the Muslims do".........Ekxotic

Surely your bile is acting up. Otherwise you would not utter such a blashemy :)

Kancha Ilaiah, the author of " Why I am not a Hindu" enjoys a celebrity status in India and his book was a best seller.

But, " Why I am Not a Muslim" by Ibn Warraq is banned in India so the Muslims don't go berserk as they did for "satanic Verses" even though India was the First country to ban it.

Dear farishta: Why start a pointless debate as to what the Vedic or whatever they were called were gorging on centuries ago? Why don't you answer why McDonald's can't sell beef burgers in India, something it is famous for all over the world? So the Hindus don't go 'berserk' and burn down their restaurants, just like Shiv Sena did?

Kancha LLaiah! Honestly, I had no clue about such an existence and his masterpiece bestseller until you mentioned it. He may have written something but until I read that best-selling masterpiece by this fellow myself, I really can't say anything about it. Is it just as offensive as Ali Sina's writings? Does it call Hindu ape god something like ugly, hairy, ape-like god? Any mentioning that Ram or Krishan might have raped Sita multiple times? And does that celebrity Mr or Ms llaiah also run a website calling all the world to eradicate the very existence of Hinduism by converting all the Hindus to atheism?

And i have no idea what this line means:

"I am a non-Hindu vegan and I see no beef (sic) in the post by Exotic. "

Yes, Im sure FFI will be succeed in apostating many muslim. But let me remind you this, All of your effort will be backfired, and many muslim or non-muslim want to learn Islam more, more people will be curious to Islam. And if they found out that Islam is not anything that this site says, they will convert to Islam. FFI will do no harm to Islam, FFI will make it stronger. And eventually FFI will give it's contribution to the rise of Islam.

"we are against hate, not faith"

Funny slogan. Your campaign against Islam is using people who hate Islam to participate in your forum. And those people using his hate to criticize and insult Islam. Which will raising hate toward Islam to those who read your forums.

Dear Exotic

"I have never been to India and it did surprise me to read that ‘no one would care’ if someone started an extremely offensive website against Hinduism in India, just as FFI is against Islam."

Didnt I just tell you Dr. Ambedkar was so pissed off that he converted the entire "untouchable" population to Buddhism ? The reason why no one could argue with him was because what he said was true and the caste system was indeed an ugly face of Hinduism gone awry (however let me also assert that there is no concept of "untouchables"in hinduism). Indian Swami's didnt let loose assasins behind Ambedkar to beam him up before he could do what he wished. And he didnt do it covertly. Infact he invited priests from all religion to present their case on why the "untouchables" should should their religion including hindu swamis. He finally chose buddhism after a prolonged assessment. The same goes for Ali Sina. If you can prove that what he is saying is wrong go ahead and present your case. He has himself said he will take his website down. Otherwise admit that Islam went wild somewhere and those who do not believe in it should be left to choose what they believe for themselves.

Or only the ‘political parties’ would retaliate.

That is my personal guarantee. :)

"I myself have friends from all over the world including of course India. Most of my Indian friends are Hindus and true they don’t care about their religion as much as an average Muslims does. But they can be just as much radicals as Muslims because I can clearly see the violent attitude in them showing up as soon as you start saying derogatory things about their religion or gods."

Again back to Ambedkar. He had "been there done that" then goes ahead and says it sucks. Nobody can do fuck about it. Yet people listen coz it has to be true if your brother is saying it. If you have not "been there done that" and you say offensive stuff its definitely going to be a pissing match. Same goes for Ali Sina. The only anti-islam stuff I read about is Sina's and some former jihadi turned christian videos. Coz ur former brothers are saying it so it has to be true. And in my opinion Sina presents a very solid case in his defence. This reminds me of what out Sikh Prime Minister said years back about liberalization of Indian market policies. "No force in this world can stop an idea whose time has come".

"For example, most are very touchy about even touching beef, let alone eating it. I was touched the picture of a Hindu god in my friend’s room after having eaten meat. The friend got quite pissed off and told me in a half threatening half-warning tone not to do it again.I told him it was a mistake but he was insistent that I did it on purpose."

My sis in law will vomit if after having food you tell her the vessel in which the food was prepared was used to cook meat earlier with no meat anywhere near in a hundred miles. Being touchy is an understatement. :). The apathy is towards killing anything. Eating it for her would be 3rd degree torture.

However I dont know what kinda friends you have for not letting you touch a pic. Please do come to India sometime I will show you around with my friends.

"My point remains the same: Hindus DO NOT face criticism of their belief system nowhere as much as the Muslims do. There is no website in the world run by some crazy lunatic advising the world to join the cause of eradicating Hinduism for whatever reasons. If there was, I am pretty sure it would have been banned in India to start with. What we see from Muslims is a defensive reaction."

Please do not make a point that is not true. Hindu's have faced enough criticism. And some people have taken their beliefs to their logical ends ie changed their faith. Hinduism never tries to force anything on anyone (by design or by accident). The reason not many people critize it is because on an individual level you have all the right to believe in whatever you want. If you fancy you can create your own new god and worship. That hardly leaves anything to critize.

"And mind you, suicide bomber blowing up people and crashing planes into skyscrapers also do not represent common Muslim population. Those are only a handful of brainless and brainwashed pawns used purely for political gain or revenge. Almost the entire common Muslim population DO NOT support their actions."

I agree. But I also feel that there never are unequivocal voices againts such dastardly acts from muslims in general. And being so closed about your community affairs it does leave a lot of room for suspicion to outsiders. Infact I just watched Dr. Zakir Naiks video yesterday(coz he is massively popular in India). Someone asked him what is his opinion on the 911. He first said he was completely against killing anyone. Then he watered it down by indulging in sleight of words. "I however think that America is the biggest terrorist and infact we should all become terrorists again terrorists of the world." It looks innocent at first sight but it isnt. He is a smart enough man to realize what he is saying. And then you hear all the clapping from the audience. Its nasty(and please do not think I am a great fan of American foreign policies). And it leaves me very suspicious about what the muslim majority discuss behind closed doors about terrorists and their ilk. Dont you think its time you guys cleaned up your house.

"You wrote, “A hindu cannot have four wives even if he wants although muslims can. Similarly muslims cannot have beef even if they want. Those are the costs of Indian style secularism. You win some you loose some.”
I am surprised you call this ‘secularism’. But then again, as you said, it is the ‘Indian style secularism’. Just a question out of curiosity thought: When you prohibit the sale of beef in India, who actually wins apart from Hindus? And when Muslims can have multiple wives and Hindus cannot, then who is on the winning side and who is on the losing side? Muslims win and Hindus lose? You are saying ‘polygamy’ is acceptable and moral in Hinduism as it is in Islam?"

Yes. Lord Krishna from Mahabharata had many wives. More than a hundred if I remember right. Lord Rama's father had three wives and was actually the cause of the entire drama :). Forget about that. Draupadi one of the central characters of Mahabharata had five husbands. And she was married to the good guys. Like I said you'll find everything somewhere in Hinduism.

Monogamy is a contemprorary idea and moral. Its an idea you can see sense in if you let go of all ur dogmas. Fortunately or unfortunately Muslims wouldnt let go of it so there Ambedkar said I'll jot that down in the constitution. Triple talak in its ugliest form as was practiced in India was and is an insult to womens dignity. But for the sake of appeasement that was jotted down in the constitution as well.

So who's winning now? Fortunately most Indian muslims I know dont look at things in terms of winning and loosing. Its about living in peace. Ideal secularism is a dream and a fallacy. Its all about give and take. Thats Indian style secularism i like bragging about!!

Nishant: Long but otherwise how pointless the whole answer is. I have proved without any slightest doubt that Ali Sina is wrong. I posted a rebuttal in his foruem which he never answered. Tell your Ali Sina to answer that rebuttal and stop being a chicken scholar.

@Ekxotic

Mention any name of any organization or individual that comes to ur mind vis-a-vis hindu radicalism. If 100 out of 100 times its not a political individual or entity I will withdraw my argument that all so called Hindu religious violence is politics masquerading as religion.

I rest my case. Haha. Its for people reading to decide what is really pointless. "You can wake up a man who is asleep but you cannot wake up someone who is pretending to be asleep". Cheers.

@Ekxotic

One last thing can you please provide a link to ur rebuttal. Thnx.

I rest my case too. You are helpless. Go make yourself happy!

So I assume there was no rebuttal.

Yes. I was just lying! Kind of ego inflation technique I learned from Ali Sina!

dear Ekxotic.

you wrote,

[quote]And i have no idea what this line means:

“I am a non-Hindu vegan and I see no beef (sic) in the post by Exotic. “[/quote]

One can only but sigh if a joke falls flat.

May be this will help to give you the idea.

http://www.answers.com/topic/where-s-the-beef

if you still don't get it....forget it.

There is nothing new Ekxotic......muslims are always BIGGEST LIARS in this World.

Take the case of recent Mumbai Attacks.....how many times president of Terroristan (opes did I say Terroristan)...oh I'm sorry Pakistan has reverted from his word in front of international Community.